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Abortion ban or no abortion ban in Georgia? · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Samantha and welcome to stuff. Mom never
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  Speaker 1: told you a production of iHeartRadio, and today I am
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  Speaker 1: still anyless as she is still on dury duty doing
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  Speaker 1: her civic duty once again. However, we are here with
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  Speaker 1: a very special edition of Sminty with a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a crossover that I've been envisioning and I think I've
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  Speaker 1: been talking about for a while.
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  Speaker 2: To you, Caroline anyway.
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  Speaker 1: That is me and Caroline, if you haven't guess, translating
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  Speaker 1: our real life friendship into the podcast, which Caroline, of course,
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  Speaker 1: have put many years, blood, sweat and tears to help
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  Speaker 1: create and push out into the world. Yes, y'all, I
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  Speaker 1: am joined by dearest and old hat of this podcast, Caroline. Yea.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's funny you and I haven't actually
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  Speaker 3: seen each other in quite a while, so I know
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  Speaker 3: you have to schedule me to come on your show
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  Speaker 3: and talk for us to be able to hang out.
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  Speaker 1: This is essentially I'm paying you to come be my
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  Speaker 1: friend like this is. This has always been my plan.
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  Speaker 1: I guess essentially. I was just thinking about our meet
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  Speaker 1: cute you and I and it had something to do
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  Speaker 1: with this podcast specifically, because the day that I met
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  Speaker 1: you in my Really I was in costume, wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: I was at a Trader Vix in downtown Atlanta, in
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  Speaker 3: the basement of what the Hilton.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is Hilton, and for those of you,
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  Speaker 1: I think Trader Vicks is like a national wide chain.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a huge significance for dragon Com, which we've
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  Speaker 1: talked a lot about on the show. I know your nightmare,
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  Speaker 1: Annie's love and honestly her hunger games and trying to
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  Speaker 1: get everything worked out. But it is like the pinnacle
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  Speaker 1: of that con. I guess and friends of ours who
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  Speaker 1: also loved dragon Con couldn't be there that year or something.
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  Speaker 2: And this is in our young adulthood.
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  Speaker 1: So when we were actually doing things, when I was
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  Speaker 1: actually doing things, when we left as when we left
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  Speaker 1: the house and had adventures, Caroline, you know, we had adventures.
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  Speaker 2: We do.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, but like I had dressed up because they
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  Speaker 1: were like they would disown us or be anty with us.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't dress up and they still talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: But like I was like, Okay, I'll be the really
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  Speaker 1: cliche schoolgirl Asian schoolgirl.
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  Speaker 3: You did that I did.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of shame.
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  Speaker 3: It's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Let it go, but not a regret.
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  Speaker 3: Karma snatched yours immediately because did you get a flat
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  Speaker 3: tire on the list?
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  Speaker 1: I did, and I was stranded at the varsity with
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  Speaker 1: two of my friends, one who us like Kalaysi, the
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  Speaker 1: other one I believe was like no old country for like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, old man type of thing, and me in
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  Speaker 1: my Asian girl outfit at the varsity. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: not to put any sexist tropes on it, but the
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  Speaker 1: dude did not know how to change the tire, so
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  Speaker 1: that was even funnier because everybody expected him to be
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  Speaker 1: helpful and he was not. We had other friends to
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  Speaker 1: come pick us up. But that was the night that
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  Speaker 1: you and I met in My Glory and.
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  Speaker 3: You found out that I was co hosting a podcast
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  Speaker 3: with your best friend's sister.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it was such a moment and from then on
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  Speaker 1: history has just turned out this way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and now you have to bring me on your
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  Speaker 3: show to talk to me.
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  Speaker 1: And now to hang out with you since I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen you in sixth months.
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  Speaker 3: That's what happened. Oh god, it has I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just making that.
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  Speaker 3: It has been since July. Yeah, I was just lying,
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  Speaker 3: but that's what happens. You and I both became homeowners
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  Speaker 3: during the pandemic, and we've crawled into our little holes.
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  Speaker 2: It's true, it's true.
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  Speaker 1: It's quite funny because apparently I want to be Caroline.
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  Speaker 1: I have done everything in succession to you, including buying
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  Speaker 1: a home, which is hysterical to me. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: swear to God, I'm not single, white femaling her. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not white, but you know, you get the gist. And
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  Speaker 1: then following you on the show and all of that
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  Speaker 1: as well. I think it's funny because we just meshed
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  Speaker 1: really well. And at the same time, I think you're
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  Speaker 1: one of the few people who keep me in line,
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  Speaker 1: like generally, and I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Like, oh, happy to do so.
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  Speaker 2: You do so well and I miss you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And I also was thinking about the fact that, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: adulthood adult friendships after like hitting past thirty five kids.
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  Speaker 1: We don't even have kids, but it's still pretending like
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  Speaker 1: we do and don't ever leave the house, like we're
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  Speaker 1: so busy. But yet, I mean, I have Peaches still
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  Speaker 1: trying to get you to get a dog.
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  Speaker 2: You need this.
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  Speaker 3: We yeah, we want a dog. Everybody's buoying us about
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  Speaker 3: getting a dog. We will. We just have to like
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  Speaker 3: build a fence. Girl, I told you my roof is destroyed.
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  Speaker 3: Not really, that's me being dramatic, but we have to
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  Speaker 3: get a new roof.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's effective, like your roof, and you know what,
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  Speaker 2: I got the y'all, we're going way off track.
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  Speaker 1: But I also have a little I found a leak
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  Speaker 1: in one of my ceilings but it wasn't the roof,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, how am I literally following caroline footsteps?
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  Speaker 1: You had a tree thing. I'm like, I got a
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  Speaker 1: tree Thing's let's be friends.
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  Speaker 3: I got to cut down all of the trees so
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  Speaker 3: they don't hit our house. We're going to replace our.
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  Speaker 2: Roofs oh god.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, so this is our livelihoods as well as
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  Speaker 1: our friendship.
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  Speaker 2: Essentially, this is our friendship.
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  Speaker 1: But you're hearing the muddled up trying to catch up
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  Speaker 1: on is our friendship usually over drinks. So welcome to
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  Speaker 1: this insight. But I'm so excited to have you.
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  Speaker 2: On this show.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome Caroline, And you know, I'm excited about this conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Excited and like a dreaded ugh excited. And it was
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  Speaker 1: kind of funny. I love that I sent you a
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  Speaker 1: text me like, Hey, I know this is really odd
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  Speaker 1: and I know it's been a minute, but do you
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  Speaker 1: want to come back on and talk about the subject
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  Speaker 1: with me? In which you were like what as in
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  Speaker 1: like you had had done well in stepping away, not
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  Speaker 1: from the issues necessarily, but being drugged down by the issues.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think didn't you text me the day that
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  Speaker 3: it got the abortion ruling? And we'll back up, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: didn't you text me like the day it got overturned?
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  Speaker 3: And so I didn't even I hadn't even seen the headline.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was soon after. It was very soon after.
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  Speaker 1: Everything is very fresh.
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  Speaker 3: I keep up with stuff, but I do have a
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  Speaker 3: nine to five now. I like nine to five concerns
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  Speaker 3: keep me busy.
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  Speaker 1: I love that well obviously because if any and we
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of loyal listeners that have been with
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  Speaker 1: the show from jump or have been with so many years,
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  Speaker 1: are familiar with you.
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  Speaker 2: So can you let the listeners know what you've been
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  Speaker 2: up to and how you are?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Hi, everybody, it's your pal Caroline. What I've been
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  Speaker 3: up to? How far back do we want to go?
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  Speaker 3: So I was on you, I was born, No, I
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  Speaker 3: left unladylike in twenty two, so the same year I
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  Speaker 3: bought a house. I loved this.
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  Speaker 2: Think you have changed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, left my job with Kristen, which you know we
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  Speaker 3: started as y'all know, we started on Lady like after
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  Speaker 3: we left stuff, Mom've never told you, and I have
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  Speaker 3: been working as a communications consultant since then. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's it.
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  Speaker 1: You've done a lot if you haven't, And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: many listeners still follow you on Instagram and all the
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  Speaker 1: social media is except for TikTok is. Caroline refuses to
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  Speaker 1: have tech talk.
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  Speaker 2: It's fair enough, fair.
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  Speaker 3: Enough, Please stop making me join things.
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  Speaker 2: It's fair.
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  Speaker 1: But like, no, you could leave Twitter and come to
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  Speaker 1: tech talk instead.
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  Speaker 3: Well I'm not so. I haven't deleted my Twitter profile,
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  Speaker 3: it's still up, but I'm not on there. Instead. I
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  Speaker 3: made the mistake of joining threads. And I call it
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  Speaker 3: a mistake because I'm not really a doom scroller, but
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  Speaker 3: something on threads, like even if I'm not reading doom
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  Speaker 3: scroll news kind of stuff, I just cannot stop. I'm
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  Speaker 3: just I'm it's it grabs into some part of my
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  Speaker 3: brain that is, like just keep reading these people, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: random stories that you don't really care about.
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  Speaker 2: So is it like MySpace coming back to life?
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean it is Twitter.
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  Speaker 2: Don't do threads, Okay, No.
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  Speaker 3: It's just a Twitter like copy and paste.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so, but threads is Instagram right, Yeah, these are sponsors,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, y'all. I'm just trying to figure this
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  Speaker 1: out because that's the one thing I refuse to do.
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  Speaker 3: Friends is owned by Instagram and I So it's funny
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  Speaker 3: when I left, unladylike and knowing all the things and
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  Speaker 3: having opinions about the things was no longer my job. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I fell off of Twitter so fast. I was so girl.
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  Speaker 3: I used to be so online. I knew, I know
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  Speaker 3: the things, and I would bring like I would be
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  Speaker 3: so deeply embedded in whatever Twitter drama was happening every day,
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  Speaker 3: and I would bring it to Kristen and she would
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  Speaker 3: be like, what, Yes, And now I'm that person. Now
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  Speaker 3: I blissfully have no idea what's going on. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: especially Twitter, Like, who even wants to know what's going
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  Speaker 3: on over there? But yeah, I don't know, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the memes, I don't know the weird jokes. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know the main character of the day.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like our friend Matt does a really great
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  Speaker 1: job in trying to keep us up with the memes,
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  Speaker 1: because we definitely get a lot of messages with things
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  Speaker 1: that I'm like, okay, okay, okay, that's all. And I
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  Speaker 1: have at least two of th friends who keep us
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  Speaker 1: in check.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say our friend John to who we
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  Speaker 3: met through Matt, also does a good job. He messages
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  Speaker 3: me all sorts of silly things. I didn't even know
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: Celine Dion was singing at the Olympics until he.
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like, that's such a John Cody thing, y'all. Sorry,
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: these are inside looks in our friendship once again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So she is obviously on liin still Instagram and you
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  Speaker 1: could see her adventures in gardening. I find that hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: But you've always been really good with plants.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, that didn't start until the pandemic and I
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: needed something to care for or.
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  Speaker 2: Do careful Carabelle.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I lived lived in an apartment in downtown Decater
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  Speaker 3: and just started buying all these plants. And then once
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  Speaker 3: Joshua and I started dating, and he's super into what
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  Speaker 3: that mean? Can I have a casual hobby?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, adhd unite.
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  Speaker 3: We just went deep on those on those gardening hobbies.
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  Speaker 2: They got so many things. You have a great backyard
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  Speaker 2: for it. Oh well, it's perfect.
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  Speaker 3: We've got the hoop house, but the tomato in it.
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: We have all these raised beds. We're toying with the
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: idea of starting a CSA, but you know, like, but
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  Speaker 3: not because we don't want to get in trouble. As
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  Speaker 3: I say this to like a lot of people, people,
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  Speaker 3: we don't want to teach anyone really because it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: we don't want to get in trouble for like having
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  Speaker 3: a backyard, right business. So I mean, did you ever
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: see me post about having a CSA on Instagram? I'm
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  Speaker 3: just joking. Uh, but please give me money for my letters.
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: It's not it's just among friends. I would pay you
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  Speaker 1: for the tomatoes for sure, which I've seen. Anyway, we've
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  Speaker 1: gotten way way for sidetracked again.
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  Speaker 2: This is what happens when I don't see you in
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  Speaker 2: six months.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to do this professionally. Yeah, I've been telling you, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: but not. This has been a long time in making.
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  Speaker 3: Podcasts parasocial relationships. It's the conversations that matter. Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's true, and you know what I feel like
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  Speaker 1: this validates me when I'm like, no, really, I'm friends
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  Speaker 1: with her. No really, I know her in real life,
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  Speaker 1: so I feel like I have to really prove this, Like, see,
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  Speaker 1: I know all this information about Caroline because I know
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  Speaker 1: her in real life.
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  Speaker 2: I do not stalk her. I mean, I'm mean, come on,
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  Speaker 2: don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to put a date, obviously, because things
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  Speaker 1: are ever changing, as we've already said. We actually did
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  Speaker 1: a Monday many about abortions in the state of Georgia
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  Speaker 1: already and it was like, oh, completely out of date
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  Speaker 1: very quickly. But today is October eleventh, twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: and again things are ever changing, very quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Changing.
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  Speaker 1: Elections are here. Early voting has pretty much arrived because
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  Speaker 1: registrations have ended, especially for the state of Georgia.
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  Speaker 3: See especially I can't I'm going to early vote out
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  Speaker 3: of this election.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, me too.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't really, Caroline said any many episodes about the
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  Speaker 1: election because I'm just so disheartened by everything. Yeah that
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to really gain traction and excitement in anything
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  Speaker 1: except for saving somewhat of our rights in well.
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  Speaker 2: Crossing our fingers that way that can happen. But we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so Today is October eleventh of twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: and we are talking about abortions, specifically in the state
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  Speaker 1: of Georgia. So with that, this is a conversation that
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  Speaker 1: usually I think you and I would have over Margarita's
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of cursing. And though we may not
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  Speaker 1: have Margarita's in hand, I know that's the sad part.
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  Speaker 1: I have a feeling there's going to be some cursing
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  Speaker 1: because we are very passionate about this. I'm very upset
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  Speaker 1: about so many things.
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  Speaker 3: So out of the habit of not editing myself, so yeah,
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  Speaker 3: just get the bleep finger ready.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're listening to this with a child and
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: they're like, why is that beating so much, just pretend
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  Speaker 1: like it's a rap song.
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  Speaker 2: It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Content warning for our listeners again, this will be an
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  Speaker 1: angry episode with carsoning as we talk about the ever
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  Speaker 1: changing situation of the reproductive laws and abortion bands in
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  Speaker 1: the state of Georgia and around. But we are kind
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  Speaker 1: of focusing on Georgia because that's maybe a lot of
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  Speaker 1: headlines recently. So, like we said, we've talked about this
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  Speaker 1: a little bit without a Monday mini about how in
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  Speaker 1: the state of Georgia. At least two women have died
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  Speaker 1: due to the strict abortion laws that have been put
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  Speaker 1: in place in the state of Georgia. So just as
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  Speaker 1: a quick rundown. After the Supreme Court overturned Roe v.
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  Speaker 1: Wade in twenty twenty two, Georgia, as well as many
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  Speaker 1: other states, quickly enacted a six week abortion ban, which
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  Speaker 1: had been held up in the Georgia Supreme Court until
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  Speaker 1: that point.
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  Speaker 3: But it was like a trigger law, right, it was,
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  Speaker 3: but it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Georgia was a little slower, so they couldn't classify that.
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  Speaker 1: But they've been working on banning abortion for a long
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  Speaker 1: long time.
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  Speaker 3: So it's the Life Act that you're talking about, right,
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  Speaker 3: Like Governor Brian Kemp signed that into law in twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 3: So when Roevie Wade was overturned in twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 3: and you and I and a couple of our other
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  Speaker 3: friends went down and marched around the capitol, it took effect.
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  Speaker 3: But we had a a superstar judge. Not that I'm
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  Speaker 3: a fan of elevating any politician or elected official or
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  Speaker 3: anybody on a court to superstar status. But when I
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: went back and read about that initial attempt at the
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  Speaker 3: ban being struck down, the law being struck down, it
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  Speaker 3: was Robert McBurney. It's the same Fulton County Superior judge.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's been standing toe to toe against this
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  Speaker 1: law for a minute. And this is where this one
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  Speaker 1: was challenged. It was held up in the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: because they were like they knew what was coming. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: this was a plan. We've talked about this as a plan.
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  Speaker 1: This has been a plan since jump from the nineteen seventies,
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  Speaker 1: Like they've been waiting for this moment, knowing that as
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  Speaker 1: soon as Roe v. Wade was enacted, they were like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we'll come back to this.
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  Speaker 2: Well we got you. Of course, we talked about Dobbz v.
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  Speaker 1: Jackson before, which was the catalyst in the overturning of everything.
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  Speaker 1: So since then, yes, the six week ban had been
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  Speaker 1: put in due place during that time. Again, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: put this as a caveat like at least two women
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  Speaker 1: because they're the ones that being named specifically due to
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  Speaker 1: the abortion van We said in the Monday Many how
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  Speaker 1: the family of Amber specifically was like please, like we
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  Speaker 1: need something to be done. But she is not just
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  Speaker 1: a martyr here. She was a person and this is
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  Speaker 1: what should be noted. This is the conversation should that
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  Speaker 1: should be had. And unfortunately she has become a martyr
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  Speaker 1: for both sides. And I say both sides as in
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  Speaker 1: like left leaning and right leaning. And I'm gonna talk
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  Speaker 1: about that end.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit.
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  Speaker 1: But it's really sad that is taken this point. And
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  Speaker 1: it's taken a while for this to be brought to
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  Speaker 1: attention by the way this happened previously, and it's yes,
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  Speaker 1: and then they are like, oh, oh, and the other
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  Speaker 1: death and we'll talk about her a little bit. A
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Candy Miller was something because she was afraid of being
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: prosecuted and persecuted for the want of having an abortion,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: and she died tragically due to that. So again, since then,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: many stays across the country have been putting more restrictive
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: bands as well. Stays like Texas, Tennessee, and Idaho and
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's just three out of a bucket are
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: using criminal charges for those who might go across state
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: lines to access abortion care as well. Alabama was also
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: mentioned in here. We know that governor at thoughts.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: What the governor of Alabama say, essentially.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Like they deserve to be prosecuted, and this should be
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: a sederal thing, which everybody swore, you know, abortion overturning
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: of Rovi Vwade had everything with state rights, which I
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: feel like they use for anything because we know that
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: was a whole thing with you know, slavery.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say, whenever the issue of
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: state's rights comes up, I.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Think we know what's happening, right, that's the biggest like.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Side.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: But we know that that's that level that they talk
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: about except for state rights. They want to overreach and say,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: but that state doesn't have that right only if it
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: messes with our state. So we know that's happened as well.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: And then there are states that are trying to protect
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: abortion access by putting the issues to vote for the people,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: including Nebraska, Arizona, Florida, Colorado, Maryland, Missouri, Montana, and Nevada
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and out Dakota. So I believe Florida the SATIS is
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: trying to fight against that. I'm not sure if he
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: was able to. I probably should have looked at him more,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: but whatever, because I don't like the saintest it was, however,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: but he was really anti putting this on the ballot.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The people
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: don't understand.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Hey, I mean, he sounds like a traditionalist to me,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: because that's what the founding fathers.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Thought too, which is why we're in this mess.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: The people don't understand.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: So in the state of Georgia, that is not an option.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: At one point I thought, actually there was a conversation
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: about putting it on the ballot, But I should have
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: known better because Kemp what uh never, he doesn't trust
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the people, which is kind of ironic.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. These I'm trying to bleep myself, These
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: bleepity bleepers won't put it on the ballot because they
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: know that in this country, like poll after pole, study
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: after study have shown just how quote unquote popular abortion is,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: that it has the support right she remain legal. But anyway, God,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: it's like it's like companies that don't want to survey
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: their employees, you know, It's like, right, yeah, because you
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: don't want to find out how terrible you've been doing.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Right on top of the size that if people do
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: find out how terrible you are doing, you don't want
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: to answer for it. So instead you're just going to
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: redistrict everything. It hopes that you will win, or just
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: put in maga like conspiracy people to go ahead and say, yeah,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: this this election was invalid, which has already.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, have you have you been reading about
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Malania's memoir that I only saw parts of it, and
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what she she she pushes the big lie
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: in her book. I mean, not surprisingly, but everybody everybody's
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: focused on I mean that she's supposedly like pro choice, right,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, no, we are not elevating this woman.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: No, no, they're trying.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: But which is really funny because once again, that whole
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: party would be very upset with her if that was
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: actually true. But it is actually true for her, you know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: she is pro choice for her, and everything we know
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: about that book is everything to do with Donald Trump's
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: political advisors being like, we're going to do this book
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: with her because she's a woman and people are gonna
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: love it. And then we're gonna be like, look see,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: and she supports the president.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: We're like, she's been in my.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Finally, so yeah, I mean, I'm sure he's paying her
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: a great salary.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, or at the very least like he's faking
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: something and giving her buildings or promises I don't know.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: He sounds like a song lyric buildings, you know. Do
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: we need to talk about the headlines?
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: But yes, So in the state Georgia, this is not
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: an option. Putting it down the ballot was like, now
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: we're not gonna let the people vote for this.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: So again we talked about in our Monday Mini. After
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: the public was made aware of the preventable depths of
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Amber Thurman and Candy Miller, Sister Song, Women of Color,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Reproductive Justice, Collective Peoples and some other organizations filed to
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: have the current abortion ban struck down and was actually successful.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: So here's the quote from the Guardian about what happened. So,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the Fulton County Superior Judge Robert McBurney ruled that Georgia's
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: six week ban, which outlaws abortion before many people even
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: though they are pregnant, is unconstitutional.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: And here's the quote. He said.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Women are not some piece of collectively owned community property,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: the disposition of which is decided by majority vote. McBurney
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: wrote in his fiery twenty six page opinion, forcing a
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: woman to carry an unwanted, not yet viable fetus to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: term violates her constitutional rights to liberty and privacy and
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: even taking into consideration whatever bundle of rights the not
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: yet vible feedus may have.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: So he was all about it. He jumped in and
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: was like yeah.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: He even says, very pointedly, this is obviously geared and
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: uh subjected to women only, like calling it out.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Can we like cross stitch his whole ruling on a pillow?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Yes? Please?
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Really like, I feel like that should have been everybody
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I know celebrated to this end. I'm not gonna lie.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I just sat and held my breath because I was like, I.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Was super sid I know, I felt the same way.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I looked at my phone and I was like, oh, yes,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: so good. So this is great. I love good news,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: good for Georgia, you know. And I follow Sister Song,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I follow Feminist Women's Health Center, and they were all
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: posting about it, and I'm, you know, I'm that heard
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: in every post like an old lady at home liking it, like, yes,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: this is fabulous. Can't you know, can't celebrate too long
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: because what's gonna happen next?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: But right, So, here's Governor Kemp's ironic statement, which Ida
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: said about earlier.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Hit to dad about this about this ruling.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: He says, once again, the will of Georgians and their
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: representatives have been overruled by the personal beliefs of one
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Judge Ran Alert right, protecting the lives of the most
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: vulnerable among us is one of our most sacred responsibilities,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and Georgia will continue to be a place where we
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: fight for the lives of the unborn. All right, I
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: love again he makes no statement. I'm sure he did
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: try to play into like, oh, yes, these women's deaths
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: are unfortunate. However, again that whole level of like one
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Georgian and.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like, are you saying this? Who is checking your speech?
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean, and it doesn't help that
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: any time anybody talks about the unborn, I just think
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: about the undiad.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: You have a picture of like zombie vetuses.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: So that all went down and with that temporary victory.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Here's some of the responses for the advocates. A statement
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: from Monica Simpson, who is the executive director of Sister
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Song Women of Color Reproductive Justice Collective. She said today's
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: win was hard fought and is a significant step in
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the right direction towards achieving reproductive justice in Georgia. We
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: are encouraged that a Georgia Court has rules for bodily autonomy.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: At the same time, we can't forget that every day
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the band has been in place has been a day
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: too long, and we have felt the dire consequences with
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the devastating and preventable depths of Amber, Nicole Thurman, and
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Candy Miller. For years, black women have sounded the alarm
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: that abortion bands are deadly, while true justice would mean
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Amber and Candy were still with us. Today, we will
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: continue to demand accountability to ensure that their lives and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the lives of others who we have yet to learn of,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: were not lost in vain. Black women have remained at
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the forefront of the battle for our reproductive freedom, and
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: today's victory is historic, powerful, and just the beginning. We
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: know the fight continued use as anti abortion white supremacists
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: will stop at nothing to control our bodies and attack
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: our liberation. We are ready for them and will never
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: back down until we achieve reproductive justice, the human right
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to maintain personal bodily autonomy, the human right to have
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: children or not and raise them in safe and sustainable communities.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: So that was her response, and yes, it definitely was
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: one of those rallying and remembering type of speeches. We
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: had a statement from Alice Wayang, who is the staff
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: attorney at the Center for Reproductive Rights, and she writes,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the Superior Court of Fulton County has rightfully struck down
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: George's six week abortion ban as a flagrant violation of
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: George's long standing and robust right to privacy, restoring access
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: to abortion at a time when too many have been
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: prevented from accessing this critical health care and from deciding
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: what is best for their bodies, health, and family lives.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: For too long, the ban has caused a public health crisis,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: as evidenced by the testimony plaintifs presented at trial and
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: devastating stories recently reported about the preventable deaths of Candy
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Miller and Ambernicole Thurman. Today's ruling is a step forward
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: ensuring that people can access and clinicians can provide critical
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: health care without fear of criminalization or stigma. This victory
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: demonstrates that when the course faithfully apply constitutional protections for
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: bodily autonomy, laws that restrict access to abortion and force
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: people to continue pregnancies against their will cannot stand. So
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of victorious speeches and I was
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: really like, yes, I think there are so many more statements.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: If you go under the ACLU, they have a whole
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: slew of representatives talking about what this meant for the state,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: what this meant for the country, and how this is
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: something that is about bodily autonomy and whether you can
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: or cannot like both of those things about pregnancy, about
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: pursuing your pregnancy and having a child or not, and
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: moving on with your life. There's so many things in
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: this conversation because there's also that bigger conversation about IVF
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: treatment and that being taken off the table as well.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: And we know many many.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Of political figures as well as people in their lives
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that have been through IVF trying to get pregnant because
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: they felt like that was what they were supposed to do.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I'm just this is an opinion, Like I think a
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: lot of people have families, especially in the Republican slash
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: conservative sector, to fall in line with that ideal of
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the household in the head of a household, that whole narrative,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: which we talked about at length in our Religious Trauma,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: because that's something that's completely fed into this abortion ban
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: as well. But there's this white supremacist ideal behind this
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: abortion ban and about how it empowers white supremacists, especially
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: in places like the state of Georgia. So there's definitely
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: a deeper level of conversation. We have a moment of
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: victory of like yay, did look at this Georgia which
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: has given me whiplash. Georgia is an amazing area when
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: you want excitement dot dot dot with whether we were
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: talking about the election, as we have done some amazing
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: things and done some model things as well as talking
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: about like the way the community uh and its population
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: has grown in such a different way than fifty years ago,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: which we love to see, you would love to see
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: more of.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's why you hear, you know, when
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: people right off the South as just it's all mega people,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: it's all just racist white people down there doing terrible things.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: And for sure there's plenty of that, but you know,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: you do have organizations like Sister Song that represent like
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: the other viewpoint that we are not a monolith down
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: here for sure.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Right and again we have to remind people, like I
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: think when we see things happening due to bad laws
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: and bad faith that happens in the state and then
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: people are like, this is what you get for voting
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: for these people, and we're.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Like no, no, no, no, no.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Just a reminder about how heavily the powers that is
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: currently in place uses every trick in the book in
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: order to keep that power, and what that looks like
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: for us who don't have as much of a voice
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: even if we try. The amount of protesting that happens
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: here is a lot. Actually, they had to put up
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: a damn iron fence around the capitol because they were
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: afraid of the backlash that was going to happen. Atlanta,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: which is where Atlanta is in Fulton County, which we
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: talk about a lot, has a dense part of the
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Georgia state population. But because of the way that the
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: government has set it up, they don't give us much power.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: They do and they don't.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those things that limited Cobb County,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: which is where Marietta actually where the Braves are now
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: playing out. It's where I'm from, It's where Caroline Yields from.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Y'all like, has gone from all red to being very
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: purple slash kind of blue. But they redistricted it so quickly.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I know that's not a term that they like. Again,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: it would make your head spin what is happening in
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: that level. So when people want to throw out that
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: term like that, that's phrase of like this is your
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: fault because you voted for this. That's not always true.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: And people who are suffering are those who are trying
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: to change it, much like the black community, which is what.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: How things have changed to begin with.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: And then we got with splash again just this week.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and just not too long ago.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: So as soon as we reported this small victory, we
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: immediately had a reversal. Again we knew this was coming
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: from the same Guardian article. It says George's Republican Attorney
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: General Chris Carr quickly appealed mcburney's ruling. On Monday of
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: this week. Only one judge dissented in part from the
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: ruling to reinstate the ban. One judge did not participate,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: while another had been disqualified from taking part in the case.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: And this is what they wrote. Fundamentally, the Stays should
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: not be in the business of enforcing laws that have
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: been determined to violate fundamental rights guaranteed to millions of
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: individuals under the Georgia constitutions. Just as John Ellington wrote,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: the status quo that should be maintained is the state
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: of the law before the challenge laws took effect. Once again,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of going back and forth with like, do
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: y'all hear what you're saying, because if we want to
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: challenge that, we should go back to what it was
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: before it was like what are you talking which which time?
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: At which time?
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Now, I think conservatives are really good at doing that,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: And honestly, from just like a pr key messaging talking
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: coin standpoint, I feel like liberals are bad at it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: We're too honest, we're too straight forward.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: We do we hold ourselves to accountable.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: We don't want to sound stupid by saying stuff like
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: that because then somebody will just say, well but it
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: was this other way before, to be caught in a lie.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: But conservatives have no problem doing that. They play a
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: little dirtier, which I loved. That's in heavy air quotes.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I loved Clear Bartlett's quote. You know, she's the executive
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: director for the Georgia Life Alliance. She was telling the
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: AP how worried she was that, you know, there were
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: just going to be like streams of women coming across
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: the border getting abortions, and I'm like, I love the
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: border of Georgia, of like, everybody's going to be coming
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: into our state to get surgical abortions, to get healthcare.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: And her quote, she said, there's no right to privacy
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: in the abortion process because there's another individual involved. It
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: goes back to protecting those who are the most vulnerable
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: and can't speak for themselves. And honestly, Samantha, it makes
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: me think of the headline this week about the UGA
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: player who was arrested for beating up his pregnant girlfriend.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, he was.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: He was only arrested because of you know, whatever physical
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: damage he might have inflicted on the fetus, not anything
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: he did to the living, breathing adult woman. And I mean,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: that's a whole other conversation you and I could have
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: for three hours about the perception of just women themselves,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: people who are giving abortions, themselves being pregnant. That person
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: is not who anyone is trying to protect, right obviously,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, look at the women who are dying, right.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: That the fact that that's not even a factor in
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: this conversation, that they are not being looked at as
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: a part of society to care for at all.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: To be to be protected.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: We already know statistically pregnant women are the most vulnerable
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: to being murdered and abused by their partners. So it's
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: really really shocking, No, it's not. And I say that sarcastically,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: that that they are so quick to ignore this and
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the fact that people are going to use this, uh
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and I mean people as in conservatives to be like see,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: but it protects both of like this like rational, like
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: this is what you wanted, right to protect both of them.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: And this is the fact that they are being pushed
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: into this headline and the conversation shouldn't be about abortion
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: in this conversation because this woman we don't know where
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: she is, we don't know who she is, we don't
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: know what she wants to do in her pregnancy, but
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: that is become the forefront of her like trauma, instead
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: of the fact that oh, I'm being abused by this man,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: which happens a lot, which is already hard enough to prove,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: which is usually not at all punished other than fines
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: in a slight probation.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Like it's just it's.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Everything in my social work brain wants to like crash
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: out over that kind of headline even more so Caroline,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: So I was making you listen to it TikTok because
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: you won't go on TikTok.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: We just can you please people if you if there's
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: something on TikTok, you want me to see chess through
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: instag so that I can see it.
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  Speaker 2: They do, they do well, but you don't. I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't do either.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, But anyway, So Jessica Valenti, who has become a
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  Speaker 1: giant voice within the reproductive justice world, releasing a book
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  Speaker 1: by the way, which I want to pick up.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited about.
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  Speaker 1: But she was talking recently that she I don't get
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  Speaker 1: on TV, so I don't watch ads if at all possible,
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  Speaker 1: I have become that person. I'm like as are awful,
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  Speaker 1: I said, ironically on a podcast that has a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ads.
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  Speaker 3: She loves ads.
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  Speaker 1: Uh meal kids, Yes, it's been a minute for you anyway,
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  Speaker 1: And I apologize to those who complained about the ads
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  Speaker 1: is a lot. I know it's not our fault. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: moving on. So in this ad, the Susan B. Anthony
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  Speaker 1: Foundation for Pro Life America decided to put out like
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  Speaker 1: half a million dollars in this ad campaign, in which
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  Speaker 1: they take the depths of these two young womens and
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  Speaker 1: sated that it is because of the Democrats slash left
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  Speaker 1: leading people who have catastrophicized and dramatized these bands into
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  Speaker 1: scaring women to dying, essentially that it is their fault
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  Speaker 1: for making it too big of a deal. And then
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  Speaker 1: they try to go in and say no. Ban says
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  Speaker 1: that women cannot go for care if they're in danger,
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  Speaker 1: in which my response was, these women went in for
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  Speaker 1: care and the doctors refused. Yeah, because the Georgia state
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  Speaker 1: laws are unclear, and they have already seen people being
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  Speaker 1: prosecuted for just accidental miscarriages, right, so they already know
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  Speaker 1: that there's a possibility they can be convicted if the
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  Speaker 1: political system decides to turn it that way. Also, as
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  Speaker 1: well as the fact that right leaning medical staff feel
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  Speaker 1: like they had the moral high ground to judge a
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  Speaker 1: woman to be sentenced to death, and I'm putting that
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  Speaker 1: in my own terms.
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  Speaker 3: The Amber Thurman situation was horrifying to read about, just
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  Speaker 3: like the layer upon layer of just absolutely subpar care
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  Speaker 3: that she received. I mean, setting aside the fact that
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  Speaker 3: they delayed the DNC because they, oh, we need to
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  Speaker 3: make sure that it's okay, you know, then giving her
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  Speaker 3: the blood pressure medicine, and then that affected blood flowed
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  Speaker 3: or the area where they would do surgery. It's a mess,
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  Speaker 3: and it's it's a horrifying, horrifying tragic. I was going
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  Speaker 3: to say side effect of these laws, but it's something
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  Speaker 3: more direct than a side effect.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's definitely a result of, yeah, of these laws.
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  Speaker 1: And we already know of the case of the woman
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  Speaker 1: who went in had a miscarriage with an actual like
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  Speaker 1: she was trying to get pride of that she was
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  Speaker 1: trying to start her family, but had a miscarriage.
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  Speaker 2: They refused to help her.
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  Speaker 1: She went home, like to an unviable fetus, went home,
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  Speaker 1: delivered this miscarriage, and then they charged her for murder,
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  Speaker 1: even though it was proven that it was a miscarriage, like,
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  Speaker 1: and they had to go through this whole thing. This
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  Speaker 1: is a constant thing. This is not the only one
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  Speaker 1: case that we've seen. These are just one of the
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  Speaker 1: many cases we've seen. The case with which the woman
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  Speaker 1: got into a fight, got shot, her, lost the fetus,
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  Speaker 1: and then she got charged with endangering the child.
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  Speaker 2: Like.
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  Speaker 1: This is that conversation, that bigger picture of what is happening.
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  Speaker 1: Who's controlling this narrative and who is controlling fetuses and
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  Speaker 1: uteruses essentially is what's going down. And the fact that
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  Speaker 1: they had the audacity to spend money to put onto
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  Speaker 1: TV to be like a this is the leftists fault.
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  Speaker 2: Don't blame us.
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  Speaker 1: It's not because of a bad rule or the law
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  Speaker 1: that we are literally forcing women to carry a pregnancy
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  Speaker 1: to full term whether or not they want to or not,
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  Speaker 1: as well as not supporting them during or even after
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  Speaker 1: the fact. Like, there's so much to this conversation that
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  Speaker 1: it's like wow. But with all of that, we're here
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  Speaker 1: today with China face. What's going down? I have a
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: feeling this is going to go up. This is going
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  Speaker 1: to try to revamp this conversation, perhaps going back to
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  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. It's definitely going to be a conversation
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  Speaker 1: with the elections to come. This has been a battleground
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  Speaker 1: for a long time in the state of Georgia. So
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: we'll come back. I know, we'll talk about it again,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe I can convince Caroline to come back with us.
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  Speaker 3: Anytime. If I get to actually talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: I know I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Excited, yes, and I know we have to wrap up.
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  Speaker 1: So Caroline, thank you so much for joining us in
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: this kind of hard It is a very hard conversation.
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  Speaker 3: It's just it's infuriating. It's it's worse than infuriating, and
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: it's discouraging to seek to see how successful the Conservatives
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: have been over the past fifty some odd years, ever
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: since Roe v. Wade first first happened. Yeah, it's discouraging
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  Speaker 3: to see how effective their campaigns have been.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Right, So where can our listeners find you who are
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: not already following you?
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: That'd be odd.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Well, y'all. I'm posting gardening pictures on Instagram, yes, and
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: I am on threads, but like what a Hell'scape, I
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: recommend not doing anything over there but reading other people's stories.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: So I just appreciate you inviting me on today, Samantha
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: to come and talk about the news. I don't really
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: get to do that as part of my day job anymore,
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  Speaker 3: as you might imagine, so it's nice to talk about
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: important stuff.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going to try to try to get you back
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  Speaker 1: on for more stuff. You know, I'm going to make
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: this happen. The listeners know I got my ways. Thank
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: you so much, Harolin for joining us and if you
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: have anything that you want to add to this conversation.
• 42:38
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• 42:40
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• 42:42
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• 42:49
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• 43:01
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