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NBA Rivalries, Raising Boys & Becoming Better | Matt Barnes x Joy Taylor · Two Personal with Joy Taylor

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  Speaker 1: Being the villain suck and I earned that reputation. I
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  Speaker 1: have no issue with that, but I think people sometimes
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  Speaker 1: can't separate athletes from the person.
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  Speaker 2: Without having the contrasts of Angel Reese Caitlin Clark's popularity
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  Speaker 2: would not be what it is today.
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  Speaker 1: I definitely feel like their storylines helped help both of them.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a kind of a crazy year. What are
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  Speaker 2: you doing to work on yourself right now?
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  Speaker 3: That's a great fucking question, Roy damn.
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  Speaker 4: You all right?
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  Speaker 2: Very excited to have my friend Matt Barnes on Too Personal.
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  Speaker 2: Of course you can catch him on All the Smoke
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  Speaker 2: with his co host Stephen Jackson.
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  Speaker 4: Matt, welcome to The Too Personal.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: I will go on through all of your NBA credentials,
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  Speaker 2: but I think everybody knows.
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  Speaker 3: We need to talk about that no more.
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  Speaker 2: I all start with what I did to piss everybody
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  Speaker 2: off on the internet recently, and I'm gonna see I
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  Speaker 2: can drag you into it because I haven't heard your
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  Speaker 2: take on this yet. I think you know where I'm going. Potentially, Well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'd be pissed people off of all time,
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  Speaker 2: so I well, I've been saying this since the jump,
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  Speaker 2: like since the very beginning, since the very first incidents
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  Speaker 2: at the NCAA Championship game with Angel Reas and Caitlin Clark.
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  Speaker 2: I said this, So I have been standing on this
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  Speaker 2: since the inception of this moment. But my point of
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  Speaker 2: view on the situation is that without having the contrast
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  Speaker 2: of Angel Rees, Caitlin Clark's popularity would not be what
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  Speaker 2: it is today. Now, what people are confusing or really
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  Speaker 2: just planting into my statement is that Kaitlin Clark and
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  Speaker 2: Angel Reaes are the same type of player, that they
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  Speaker 2: play at the same level. Right now that I'm saying that,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know like somehow it's an attack on Kaitlin Clark.
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  Speaker 2: But what people are not understanding what I'm saying is
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  Speaker 2: the same thing happened in the NBA with Magic Johnson
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  Speaker 2: and Larry Bird, which I also said, and I also
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  Speaker 2: asked Magic Johnson about it and he agreed with me.
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  Speaker 2: Not that any of you know more than basketball or
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  Speaker 2: about basketball than Magic Johnson, But the point is it
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  Speaker 2: was a moment. It was a moment that created a villain,
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  Speaker 2: whether asked for or not, in Angel Reese, and it
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  Speaker 2: upset people that they'll then started paying attention to Kaitlin
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  Speaker 2: Clark and having a point of view on Kaitlyn Clark.
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  Speaker 2: And no way am I saying that a Kaitlyn Clark
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  Speaker 2: would not ever still be a great player, that she
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  Speaker 2: would not bring some attention to the WNBA. But I
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  Speaker 2: have lived all thirty eight years of my life on
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  Speaker 2: this planet not listening to ransom mediocre men talk about
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  Speaker 2: the WNBA or giving a fuck about the WBA or
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  Speaker 2: women's basketball. I've also worked for nine years on network
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  Speaker 2: television knowing exactly what the topics are that we discuss
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  Speaker 2: every fucking day. Yep, and y'all were not talking about
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  Speaker 2: women's basketball before this happened. And this can actually be
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  Speaker 2: quantified if someone wants to take the time to go
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  Speaker 2: and look up what all the coverage was.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't it was before that happened. So do you
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  Speaker 4: agree with me? Am?
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  Speaker 3: I right?
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  Speaker 1: I definitely feel like their storylines helped.
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  Speaker 3: Help both of them.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, their storylines have also helped the WNBA.
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  Speaker 4: I agree.
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  Speaker 1: I think what the NBA is missing these days is
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  Speaker 1: it's such a young league. These kids are young. It's
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  Speaker 1: one and done a lot of overseas in flux. So
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  Speaker 1: you don't know these people's journeys. I think what people
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  Speaker 1: love or love and appreciate and respect or hate at
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  Speaker 1: the same time is we got a chance to see
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  Speaker 1: these women the last what four years now for going
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  Speaker 1: back to college five years build up this rivalry Angel
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  Speaker 1: getting a championship and putting the finger in her face,
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  Speaker 1: and then Caitlyn getting, you know, going the following year,
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  Speaker 1: and then both these women to me, I feel were
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  Speaker 1: respectfully as brands bigger than the w when they got there.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, I would agree with that also, So.
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  Speaker 1: I definitely see where you're coming from when you say that.
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  Speaker 1: I think their storyline played into the I don't even
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  Speaker 1: want to say hype, because they both deserve what's going
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  Speaker 1: on as far as you know, praise for their game.
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  Speaker 3: They definitely just added to each other's.
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  Speaker 4: To the fame grow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it growth all that.
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  Speaker 4: It's really about.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know why this as controversial, Like this
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  Speaker 2: is a fact. Kaylin Clark is an unbelievable player. There
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  Speaker 2: have been a lot of incredible players, more accomplished college
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  Speaker 2: players when you're talking about team success than her, that
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  Speaker 2: have entered the w NBA, and people were not barking
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  Speaker 2: and spitting and flipping out on the Internet about them.
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  Speaker 2: When when there is a rivalry that is naturally created,
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  Speaker 2: as there was.
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  Speaker 4: In the NCAA Championship game, that.
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  Speaker 2: Allows for people who aren't following the sport to have
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  Speaker 2: a point of view in an opinion on not just
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  Speaker 2: the sport but also the players, and someone to root against.
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  Speaker 2: That amplifies the brand.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even know.
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  Speaker 2: It's like when people are mad at me. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know what the fuck you're mad about.
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  Speaker 2: This's literally what happened.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not even saying something. I'm saying what happens.
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  Speaker 1: And that's not a knock at either player, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're completely as you pointed out, they're completely different players.
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  Speaker 1: I think Caitlin has benefited from the Steph Curry effect.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's why there's a huge hype around what
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  Speaker 1: she's able to do, because we haven't seen someone shoot
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  Speaker 1: the ball with the consistency and from the range that
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  Speaker 1: she's been shooting with, and that always excites people, the
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  Speaker 1: same way it excited people when Steph came into the
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  Speaker 1: NBA and then Angel in her own right, What does
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  Speaker 1: she Player of the Week right now with five straight
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  Speaker 1: games of over fifteen rebounds, and she's an All Star
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  Speaker 1: and she's doing it in her own way. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's a knock on either player. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's great for both of them. What I will say
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  Speaker 1: is that the common person that is become a fan
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  Speaker 1: or a hater or just someone who wants to troll.
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  Speaker 1: There has been some racial tension with the fan base
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  Speaker 1: that has got behind Caitlin. And that's not saying that
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  Speaker 1: she has anything to do with it, because she's dispelled
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  Speaker 1: it and gave a ton of people props along the way.
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  Speaker 1: But there's just casual people who are who have an
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  Speaker 1: opinion now that I feel like kind of brings some
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  Speaker 1: negative energy. But I feel like when you grow, you
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  Speaker 1: don't have to get to pick and choose what kind
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  Speaker 1: of attention you get. You know, all the attention comes
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  Speaker 1: to me. It's outside of the rest. All the attention
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  Speaker 1: is good because at the end of the day, it's
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  Speaker 1: growing the game. These women are starting to recognize more.
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  Speaker 1: And to your point, you know, you guys are never
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  Speaker 1: we were never showing any kind of w NBA love
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  Speaker 1: on any of the sports shows before these two women
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  Speaker 1: came into the game. So I think they've both been
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  Speaker 1: great for the game. I think they're both growing the
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  Speaker 1: game and really starting to tune people in who's been
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  Speaker 1: watching or starting to watch to see how much other
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  Speaker 1: talent is in the league. There's a ton of other
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  Speaker 1: talent in the league. I mean, look at I love
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  Speaker 1: what Paige is doing. Page is kind of coming in
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  Speaker 1: and taking the league by storm and doing her thing too.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, there's a ton of talented women in
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  Speaker 1: this game, and I love that. Again, the conversation is
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  Speaker 1: around these women because they deserve it, you know. I
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  Speaker 1: hope they continue to grow and get everything they're looking for.
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  Speaker 1: I know they're at the bargaining table right now, but
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  Speaker 1: I like where the game is at. I've I've always
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  Speaker 1: been a w fan, but I did start paying attention
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  Speaker 1: more when these two women came to the league.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's interesting and you know all about rivalries
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  Speaker 2: and what that does for the game. Absolutely, you talk
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  Speaker 2: about sports on your show, you interview athletes, you.
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  Speaker 4: Lived it, you lived one of them more in the
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  Speaker 4: Twice Moments.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was all time for Angel at one point,
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  Speaker 1: because it's hard being the bad guy or the villain
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  Speaker 1: when you're not a bad person, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: And I think I had to learn that kind of
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  Speaker 1: the hard way. And it was funny because it was
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  Speaker 1: with the twins. When the twins were little, you know,
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  Speaker 1: their last my last handful of years, they got to
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  Speaker 1: move around with me and come to games and travel,
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  Speaker 1: and they like, after the Kobe shit, I was public
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  Speaker 1: enemy number one for a while, even though we ended
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  Speaker 1: up teaming up the following year. But you know, we
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  Speaker 1: were going on the road and I.
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  Speaker 3: Forgot where we were at.
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  Speaker 1: We were some East coast trip and the twins were
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  Speaker 1: on the trip and after the game, they're like, Daddy,
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  Speaker 1: how come when they announced your name everyone booed. Explain
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  Speaker 1: this to them and I'm thinking, like I was, just
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  Speaker 1: how can I be creative? And they liked wrestling at
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  Speaker 1: the time, they were maybe six years old, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: Daddy's like the Undertaker, and every time I go out there,
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  Speaker 1: I have to guard the best player, and that's like
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  Speaker 1: hul Colgan. So they always want to see Hulk Colgan
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  Speaker 1: do well. But then the Undertaker comes and kind of
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  Speaker 1: fuck shit up, you know what I mean. So they're
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  Speaker 1: booing me because they respect me and they don't like
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  Speaker 1: the work I do. Like, oh, do you wrestle now too?
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  Speaker 3: I was like, no, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Wrestle, But that's kind of the out of the coffee, right,
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  Speaker 1: But it's it's you know, it was something I had
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  Speaker 1: to learn and adapt to because being the villain sucks,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: And I earned that reputation. I have no issue with that.
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  Speaker 1: But I think when people, you know, people sometimes can't
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  Speaker 1: separate athletes from the person. So I know Angel's probably
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  Speaker 1: gone through an emotional roller coaster. She faces a lot
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  Speaker 1: of unwanted bs and then she brings some on herself,
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  Speaker 1: similar to what I did. But again, I think she's
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  Speaker 1: making a ton of money. Caitlyn's making a ton of money.
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  Speaker 1: They're all over everything, and they're helping the game grow
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, which I think is great.
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  Speaker 2: How do you feel about where the NBA is right now,
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  Speaker 2: because it's it's in an interesting space to me. The
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  Speaker 2: finals did well despite it being too I.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't look at the numbers. Did how were the viewership? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: They did they did well. They did well. It was
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  Speaker 2: too you know, obviously two really small markets seams. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and we haven't had a repeat champion in seven years now,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously we're coming to the ends of an era.
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  Speaker 2: Lebron is probably in his last year. Chris Paul just
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  Speaker 2: said that he is retiring after this year. Steph is
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  Speaker 2: still you know, Steph, but he's getting up there as
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  Speaker 2: well KD. So you know, it's it's the young boys time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's an interesting space.
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  Speaker 2: And it's interesting you brought up villains because I don't
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  Speaker 2: think there's any villains, no, And I think Ants is
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  Speaker 2: like maybe the closest to that, and he's he's not villain,
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  Speaker 2: he's not really. Yeah, the physicality is kind of coming
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  Speaker 2: back in the game. So I think that at least
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  Speaker 2: for the this this playoffs.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think I mean, because when I think.
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  Speaker 2: Of your era of basketball, it was it was not
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  Speaker 2: as insane as like the nineties where they're just like
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  Speaker 2: throwing elbows down the lane. But it was a healthy
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  Speaker 2: physicality and there were real rivalries. Do you think we
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  Speaker 2: ever get back to that? And how do you think
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  Speaker 2: it affects the game if we don't, Well.
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, it kind of started off. How
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  Speaker 1: I spoke earlier is that the league is so young now.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I remember when I came in the league.
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  Speaker 1: In O two, there was thirty eight, thirty nine forty
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  Speaker 1: year olds smoking cigarettes in the locker room.
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  Speaker 3: Whether they played or not, it didn't matter.
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  Speaker 4: They were bridges and we're not cigarettes in the locker round.
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  Speaker 1: Some of these my body was smoking cigarettes in the
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  Speaker 1: locker room. But these older dudes were, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: were OG's. You know, they were helping us, you know,
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  Speaker 1: avoid the wrong kind of women buying us, helping us
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  Speaker 1: get our first suits, helping us understand the game with
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  Speaker 1: women to stay away from there was just like real ogs.
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  Speaker 1: The game doesn't have that no more. The game is
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  Speaker 1: so young now that you know, the lot of this
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  Speaker 1: league is based off potential, and I feel like the
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  Speaker 1: fact that similar to these the women's game, there hasn't
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  Speaker 1: there's no storylines for any of these guys. Really, there's
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  Speaker 1: no rivalry for any of these guys coming into one
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  Speaker 1: because they bounce around too much. Another reason is they're
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  Speaker 1: not going to cause that long. And then another reason
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  Speaker 1: is there's again an influx of European players, so we
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  Speaker 1: don't really know. And I feel like I'm obviously a
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  Speaker 1: basketball head, and there's times even in the finals or
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  Speaker 1: in the playoffs, I'm like, yo, who is that he's feeling?
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  Speaker 1: And it's just like I played in the league for
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  Speaker 1: fifteen years and I still don't know some of these guys.
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  Speaker 1: So I can only imagine like more of a casual fan,
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  Speaker 1: just not really grasping the drama, grasping the storylines, or
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  Speaker 1: kind of really knowing who is who. It's funny I
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  Speaker 1: was sitting at Amazon last week and we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about just just this. It's just like, you know, how
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  Speaker 1: how can they create how can they get behind the
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  Speaker 1: scenes and start to kind of really peel the layers
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  Speaker 1: back of some of these players. Obviously we get some
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  Speaker 1: sort of sense of who these young players are on Instagram,
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  Speaker 1: but I think bringing an old school show like Inside
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  Speaker 1: the NBA or was that with a mob or shop
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  Speaker 1: back in the day?
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  Speaker 3: Was that inside stuff? You know, something a newer.
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  Speaker 1: Version of being able to understand who these young players
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  Speaker 1: are so people can start rooting for them and understanding
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  Speaker 1: them a little bit. But I think to your point,
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  Speaker 1: we are at a passing in the guard I think
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  Speaker 1: we saw it in this playoffs. You know, all these
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  Speaker 1: young teams handed these older guys, you know, an early
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  Speaker 1: vacation slip, and you know two young teams played in
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  Speaker 1: the finals, and Shay had one of the best years
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  Speaker 1: of you know that a guards had in the game.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know if there's I don't think there's
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  Speaker 1: a cut face.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was MJ for you know, Magic and Bird,
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  Speaker 1: and then it was MJ and then it was Cobe
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  Speaker 1: and Shaq and Bronz carried the torch. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if there's an American player you can really hang your
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  Speaker 1: hat on right now. I think there's a ton of
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  Speaker 1: young talented players overall, whether it be a Shay or
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  Speaker 1: Yokic or Embiid and excuse me, Jannis and and Tatum
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  Speaker 1: and Booker. But I don't think there's a clear cut
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  Speaker 1: like hey, and I don't think there's a clear cut
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  Speaker 1: like hey, this is my league right now. So it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be interesting kind of just this next two or
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  Speaker 1: three years to see if there's any rivalries that can
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  Speaker 1: come about or anybody that kind of steals that crown
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  Speaker 1: as kind of like the next guy to carry the torch.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I you know, I think.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard when you don't have any you know, in meat,
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  Speaker 2: it's like all the barrows marrow has been taken.
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  Speaker 4: Out of the bone, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And part of it, I think is also social media,
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  Speaker 2: because when you get one good cooking on social media,
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  Speaker 2: you don't really want to deal with it again unless
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  Speaker 2: you're truly built for that, and you know it's not
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  Speaker 2: the easiest thing to do. And if you know, part
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  Speaker 2: of stepping out and showing people who you are and
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  Speaker 2: being you know, authentic and open could lead you to
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  Speaker 2: being in that space and then like is it worth
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  Speaker 2: it to try and like lose sponsorships, Like the amount
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  Speaker 2: of money that these guys are making.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, man, no, let somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: Be the villain. Why do I got to be the
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  Speaker 2: one that gets cooked? And it's you know, made fun
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  Speaker 2: of and it's.
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  Speaker 3: A different world.
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  Speaker 1: Like not to cut you off, like I've caught like
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  Speaker 1: social media kind of started popping eleven, twelve, thirteen ish,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and I came in league and no too,
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  Speaker 1: you know me, So I kind of caught the tail
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  Speaker 1: end of it. But I couldn't imagine like having kids
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  Speaker 1: in this space and then seeing what, you know, Kevin Durant,
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  Speaker 1: how he responds the trolls and how other people It's
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  Speaker 1: just it's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look at like it's a lot jaw and Zion, Like,
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  Speaker 2: these guys must be looking at this like, ain't a way.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a mind my business make this money.
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  Speaker 1: Mental health is important too, because everyone said, oh, you
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  Speaker 1: make so much money, turn the other cheek or or
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  Speaker 1: ignore it. But it's hard when people are just constantly
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  Speaker 1: attacking you, whether they're right or wrong. It's just when
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are doing anything towards you, like
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  Speaker 1: turning other that shit don't work. Like as I remember
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  Speaker 1: asking Kobe, you know what, is there one critique that
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  Speaker 1: stood out or distrest and he and literally said, like
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  Speaker 1: I heard all of it and it all hurt. That's cod.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean the rest of us don't stand a chap.
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  Speaker 1: That's almost mentally tough motherfucker to ever play the game.
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  Speaker 1: So that stuff is hard to do, and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I credit you know, these guys for being able to
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  Speaker 1: handle it, because yeah, obviously a lot of money comes
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: with this life and job, but we're still normal people.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: We just you know, we get paid at a crazy
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: amount of money for our profession, but we're still human
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, and we go through
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: ups and downs and breakups and kids and sick and
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: all kinds of other shit, but they expect because we
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: make so much money or they make so much money
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: that they're supposed to be superhuman and they're not.
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've never looked at it that maybe because
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: of my brother, I don't really look at it that way.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: But I also am just like a pull up type
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: of person. I know you are, So I just assume
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: that I'm gonna see the person that I'm talking about,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: and I better be able to say exactly what I
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: said before when I see this person or what yeah,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: or fight, So you know, to me, it's like that's
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: that is just a mentality and that doesn't exist on
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: the internet.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: So I don't, I don't. I do not blame any
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: of these guys.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: I don't blame any celebrity anyone for trying to avoid
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: that and just make money, because like, fuck all that,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Fuck all that. You don't have to deal with that
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: if you don't want to, because it's it's a miserable.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: Uh experience.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: But the then the authentic stuff is hard to get
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: to and you gotta have that to unless you are
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: just a naturally polarizing person. So that's what that's something
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: that's so interesting to me about because Lebron is not
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: actually a villain at all. He's just a naturally polarizing figure.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: And it's so fascinating. He doesn't have scandals. He takes
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: care of this people, his his family, his his businesses.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: He's represented the league, he's been in the spotlight snince,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: he was sixteen years old, came up in the social
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: media era. Like, it is incredible to me how polarizing
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: he is.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible special. I mean to think of a superstar
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: in his caliber that with everything you've listed, like we
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: can't name, I think.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: He's the greatest superstar in the history of entertainment.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: He's carried the torch better than anyone that could could
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: ever imagine to be able to live up to the
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: hype and exceed expectation and do it on a clean path.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: And like you said, I mean, sports is synonymous with scandal,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and he's never crashed
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: out once, not one. And but you're going into your
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: twenty two or twenty three. But this kid's been a
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: star since fifteen years old. Like we don't hear shit
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: but good things about him. And I think even with
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: that said, that's going to make some people dislike him
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: and try to make him a villain because I know
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: this motherfucker ain't perfect. No he's doing but I mean,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: he's been a model citizen and I wouldn't disagree with you.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: I think he's been the greatest superstar we've ever seen.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Not that you wouldn't know anything about this because I
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: don't understand this lifestyle either, but what I'm trying to
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: find a better way to word it, but like, why
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: do we feel the need to break people down?
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Like why can't people be great?
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Cause I think it's insecurities and the people that are
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: breaking the other people down's life, jealousy, hate, and society.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Society is crazy right now. The norm is the norm.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who are living paycheck to paycheck,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: so anytime you're doing something great, it's going to come
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: with the territory. Unfortunately, But to me, I think join it.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know when it shifted, but.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: It used to be.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Even sports reporting used to be just not necessarily always
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: a celebration, but we reported on just the game, you know.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Now we report on the people and their lifestyle and
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: all the other shit that doesn't necessarily matter about the game.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: And then on social media you're seeing athletes have a
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: ton of money and doing a ton of dope shit,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: and it's just like, man, well fuck that. I ain't
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: got that, so you know what I mean. So I
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: just think when you see hate is more about the
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: person doing the hating than the person being hated on.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I feel like, and I feel like you're only getting
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: hated on if you do some So if you're not
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: doing shit, they're not gonna be hating on you. So
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: you know, you got to kind of take in a stride.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: And again that's something I had to learn later, you
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. I thinking, I'm eight years removed
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: from the NBA and I'm still getting shit talk to
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: me about the way I played or how I move
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: now or I think you know, and it's just like damn, really,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like really, and it's.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Just there and it really is a lifestyle.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: And I mean I was a role player, you know,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I know exactly who I was during this game, so
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine what a superstar or up and coming
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: superstar has to face on a daily basis.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: It's just like you.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Have to protect your mental health because everywhere you look,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is the social medias are news is
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: everyone's news now, and you can't I guarantee, if you're
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: an athlete or celebrity entertainer, it would take you to
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: less than two minutes to find someone talking negative to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: you on one of your feeds. And it's just like like, yeah,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: and you wouldn't say that shit to my face, So
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: why are you saying it now?
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: What do you tell your sons?
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Be prepared, Be prepared, take it as a grain of
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: salt in what I said. The only reason why they
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: hating on you because you're doing something right, and just
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: be prepared.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: And I really literally fear that. Joy.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: It's funny you asked that because they're sixteen now and
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: someone posted something the other day and I literally I
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: think it's still on my stories. Protect your kids because
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: you never know who hates them because of who you are.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, damn, that's deep, you know what
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I mean? And again I was the villain, so that
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't you know? And by no means my kids are
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: so they got a lot of meat in them, but
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: they're just they're good private school, gated community kids. You
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, they didn't grow up how I
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: grew up. You know, they don't have the mentality, they
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: don't have to fight for survival like I had to.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: But they're still dogs. But it's just like, you know,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: you have to start spoo and feed them what is coming.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: And I've been telling them since I started coaching them.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I retired in seventeen. I started coaching them that summer,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: and I just you know, some people are going to
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: some people are going to love you for who you
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: are and what you're about, and then the fact that
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you're my son, and some people are gonna hate you
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: for the same reason. So you just have to be
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: prepared and and you know, take the good with the
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: bad and understand that you have a goal and a mission.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: And you have to lock in on that.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Is it hard raising suns right now because there's there's
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: just a lot going on in society. There's a lot
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: of different distractions. Obviously, it's a different time. Like you said,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: you know, they they're not growing up fighting for their lives.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: They're growing up in the Internet era, and you know,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: they're growing up in a more convenient time. Things are
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: in some way easier and more accessible, and you know
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: it's easy to fall.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: There's a bit of a focus.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: On young men right now because they're getting sucked into
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: these different portals on the internet that are just like
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: melting their brains.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: And so are you worried about that as a hard.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't necessarily worry. I mean, everything you
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: said is right. It's a crazy time to be alive
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: and a crazy time to be a team. But I
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: don't worry about that because I'm present, you know what
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I mean. So what I'm feeding them, and I've been
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: feeding him game is as long as they could understand it.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Like we started talking real talk at six, seven eight,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: and I found it kind of joking with them, whether
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I'm joking about girls or kissing or you know. One
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: time they caught me smoking down by the pool, I
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: think when they were like seven. That put them to sleep,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and they saw Daddy smoking down by the pool.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: And the next day that.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Daddy smokes cigarettes's gonna mess your lungs up, Like damn,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: do I lie to him or I tell him it
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: was a joint. And so I told him, like, hey, listen,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Daddy's not a big drinker. He doesn't take pills, but
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you know, my back and my knees. My ankle's hurt
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: from playing, so when I smoke a joint, it takes
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: all the pain away and it helps me sleep. And
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: then Carter the younger twins, like, Dad, you know I
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: just rolled my ankle. When can I smoke? I'm like,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: oh shit. But you know again, I was kind of
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: planning those seeds at a young age, so you know
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: when it came time and they're sixteen now, you know
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: when it came time for them to start having sex, Like,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: they came to me and I'm like, damn, have you
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: told your mom?
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Like no, don't mom. You know what I mean.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: But I think that I built such a rapport in
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: an open line of communication with them that they felt
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: comfortable enough to like, hey, Dad, we're taking that step now.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: And I felt really proud as a dad, because you know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the alternative them is hiding, sneaking around, getting caught having
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: an unprotected sex. So I'm just like, damn, Okay, Well,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: at least I've done a good job that they feel
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: like they can come to me and tell me. And
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you know, they're sixteen, so you know they know what
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I do. They know I'm a cannabis consumer, and they'll
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: see me drink every once in a while with social gathering,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: so they're not you know, they're not naive to the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: fact and I and I'm not one of those Hey
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you better not do this, you better not do that.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Mine is just let's have a conversation. You know, If
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: you guys want to smoke, let me smoke with you first.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Let me show you how it is, so you know
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: how to act with you happen to be smoked when
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: you're in public, or if you you know, if you want,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: if you're a tempted to have a drink, let's sit
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: down and have a drink so you know how it
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: hits you before you're behind a wheel or before you're
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: out at a party. So I'm just one of those
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: kind I'd rather be pro active then reactive. And I
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: also want don't want to be too strict, because I
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: grew up with kids that were super strict, and as
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: soon as they got a little bitter freedom, they went nuts.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: So again, it's kind of that fine line of discipline, understanding, respect, morals, integrity,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: all that kind of shit. But you also have to
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: understand that this is a whole different world they're living in.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Because of social media and the internet, so you kind
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: of have to meet them halfway. And I've been super
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: lucky that, you know, my kids are down to earth
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: and humble and polite and you know, and they do
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: their little thing and they kind of stay out the way.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: So to answer your question, that is a crazy time
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: to raise kids. And if I didn't have them as
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: much as I had them, I would worry. But I'm
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: very present in all four of my son's lives, so
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily worried about that.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Do you think that having a male mentor right now,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: or having male.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Male figures, like positive male figures, is important because obviously,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: like having men in your life and mail mentors has
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: always been important, but there's so much access to dumb shit.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Yes, now that it's it's almost like more important.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think more important than ever. You know.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: One thing I will say is I feel like this
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: generation of athletes, the generation I played in, the generation
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: that is kind of just finishing up. It came through
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: in the two thousands, late nineties, early two thousands. I
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: think we're more present fathers, you know what I mean.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I think there was a narrative about guys in the eighties, seventies,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: eighties and nineties of having a bunch of kids with
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: a bunch of different women, and that shit still happens.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, But you know, the one thing
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I do love is I coach my kids, And every
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: time I go to a tournament, it's like a reunion
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: with so many dudes I played with or against to
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: play before me, that are currently playing, that are there
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: coaching or supporting their kids and or having programs as
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: a whole. So I definitely think it's a more important
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: than ever because there is so much bullshit and lies
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and sure coding and you know, a lot of wild shit.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Going on that you do need male representation.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I think boys and girls both coming up need solid
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: mail figures, whether it's the father, stepfather, a trusted.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Family friend, you need.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: You need a man's point of view along with the
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: mom's point of view, but particularly a man's point of view,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: because there's just a lot of foulship going on these days.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: There, truly is.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's it's also an epidemic of people
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: of cowards man, and I don't I don't think we
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: use that word enough.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: We lost that recipe. We need to run that back.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Cowards, Corny goofballs, what you know Goofy's is it's just
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: it's it's weird because you don't have to be held
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: accountable for what you say now, Yeah, which is the
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: weakest shit ever to me?
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: You know, Mike, what did Mike Tyson say?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: People feel too comfortable talking shit without getting punch in
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the mouth these days, because you used to have to
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to say it to my face, you know what I mean,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: say it to even when you little say it to
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: my face, you know what I mean. That's how shit
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: used to go down. And now you know, you can
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: hop on the internet and say some wild shit and
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: then hopefully never have to run into that person. So
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: it's just like there's no accountability. There's a ton of cowards.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Everyone doesn't deserve a voice, and we've given everyone a
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: voice with social media, so it's it's definitely a wild time.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: How are you handling? I know that you.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Are seven, you're you're aware of everything that's going on politically,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: and I see you on social media speaking out Obviously
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: we're here in LA. It's a lot of crazy shit
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: going on. How are you handling everything that's that's happening.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's unfortunate. You know, shout out to Mayor
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Bass and you know Gavenwsen today for shutting down what
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: they were trying to do at MacArthur Park.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: It's just a crazy time.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, you never want to mix politics
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: and sports, but politics is such a heavy part of
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: everyone's life now.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: I adamantly disagree with that concept.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: That's what I agree. I think.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I don't even know why it makes sense. Sports and
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: politics have always gone hand in hand. Who is Muhammad Ali?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Who is Jackie Robinson? Who is Jesse Owens, who is
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Arthur Ash There's always been a tie to social activism
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: and sports. It's not new, It's always been necessary. It
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: is a silly, stupid concept. I don't even like entertaining
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: it doesn't It just doesn't historically make sense. I don't
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: have conversations. It don't make any sense historically. That doesn't
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: make sense.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Obviously, I've never listened to that shit because you just
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: as you said, I'm on there talking my shit.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: I'm on here.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: You know, I got a group he's sixty eight that
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: we you know, we we do all kinds of political stuff.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And you know, I've been in the streets I've helped
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: pass bills of the state capital. So I'm very active
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: and understanding that my voice is for a lot of
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: those who don't have a voice. My voice is for
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you know, what are you talking about? You made money,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: but you know family doesn't make the money I make,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: or friends haven't made the money I make, So any
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Anyway, you pay taxes, right, you have to follow the
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: laws of this country.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: So you have to stop at stop signs? Do you
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: have to register your car?
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: We put our pants on the same way, we go
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: at the bathroom the same way.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: It doesn't like it's the idea like that if you
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: play sports, or that you have money that you don't have,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: that politics doesn't apply to you. Everything in our life
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: is politics. Signing a lease for your apartment is politics?
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Like what the fuck are you talking about?
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: It should?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't apply? Like it doesn't make it, It doesn't make
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: any sense.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. And I mean back to your original question.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I just think we're in just such a terrible time
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: now because politics used just mean picking the best candidate,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: but now if there's a line in the sand, and
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to me, I'm always been out of someone who faced
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of racism growing up. You know, nearly have
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: my high school burned down by the KKK. So anyone
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: who represents any type of hate, I can't get down.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I don't care how much good you could do or
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: could possibly do, or you have in mind. Once you
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: represent hate, I can't get down with that. And I
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: just feel like with this administration represents so much hate
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: that there's just I can't get through the hate see
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: if they're actually doing anything right, because the hate is
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: more blatant than it's ever been. The disrespect the people,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: the inferior white people think that they're better than other people,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and it's just crazy right now what they're doing to
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: our Mexican brothers and sisters out here and particularly in
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: LA and how important that community is. I mean, my
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: kids are happy, you know, the twins are happening.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Twins. Mom is Mexican, you know what I mean.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: So I'm always down for you know, black and brown unity,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm hoping that all this shit that the Mexican
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: community is going through and obviously what the black community
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: continues to go through or bring us together because I
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: think more than we're the majority now, we're definitely not
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the minority, but we can't come together, and I think
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that's what continues to hold us back. And we saw
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: what us not coming together did in this past election.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't want to get too deep
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: down the political hole, but we can.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Go all the way down. I don't mind. I mean,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: I think we need to come together.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I think it has a lot to do with proximity
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to whiteness.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Mm hmmmm hm, I feel you.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because black women, overwhelmingly in a majority, don't ever
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: forget that there is no such thing as proximity to
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: white there is or there is not. And of course,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: not all white people are evil, not all white people
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: hate black people, Not all white people are racist.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: And why not even not to cut you all, keep
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: your thought, it's on the flip side there. Every race
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and ethnicity have racist people in it. So it's it
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: definitely not just one, but it's heavy right now coming yeah.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But historically in this country, the white racism has
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: colonized this land from the jump, and is the issue,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: is the the festering boil of this particular country's issue.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: And one thing I cannot do in conversations is what
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: about ism, Like, well, what about you know this country's
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I don't live in that fucking country. I don't live
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: in that fucking country. You want to worry about them,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: worry about them. I'm talking about this country right now.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Are problems where I live that affect my family and me.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: We can solve other people's problems after we have this conversation.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: But the what about ism always creates this spinoff thing.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: What is just a redirect?
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: It's just it's just changing the subject, and we need
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: to say on subject. So not all white people are evil,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: but when we're talking about people who have true hate
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: or racism, or have been convinced to believe that someone
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: who doesn't look like them is the cause and root
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: of their problems, which is fucking at its core, literal insanity.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: It is a it is it is your brain is
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: not functioning properly. It makes no fucking sense.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: It's taken away from them. Is somehow going to help you.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. It never has made any sense.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: It's just a way to control people. But that is
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: never going to be you Like, white people who think
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: like that do not care if you look like them,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: if you speak their language, if you work for them,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: like it's just not what it is. So proximity to
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: whiteness is such a fucking issue, and to me is
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: it's so weird and it is it is the root
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: of this election.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I would, I would agree.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: And and to me, the people who hate, if you
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: sat them down in a room and said, hey, why
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: do you hate, I bet you they couldn't give me.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: A real reason.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Those people can barely spell so.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Right, But I even think, I mean the poor white
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: trash that that too. But I also think, like there's
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: people higher up in government and and and wealthy people
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: and you see all these billionaires and companies that donated
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: to the current president.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Well, those people, to me hate for profit.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: That still hate though it.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Is hate, but that's they can't explain it. It's greed.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But so I mean to me, at the same time,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: hate is hate, and and you know the levels of
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: hate and the way it's really affecting people's lives. And
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: again I get I guarantee ninety five percent of the
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: people who hate, if we sat them down, they couldn't
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: get to the root of why they hate. They just
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: hate to hate, or they hate because they're following people
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: or they've been told to hate. So it's just like, what, like, stand,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: we have too many followers in this country, whether it
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: be good or bad, Like people just follow weird shit
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: and instead of like really being like there's a ton
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: of people that support Donald Trump right now that no,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: this motherfucker is ripping right now. But who is man
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: or woman enough to stand up and say it?
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: So it's just like, well then that, I mean, that's
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: admitting that you're wrong, which is something that nobody likes
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: to do. But then after you admit you're wrong, you
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: then have to take steps to fix it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Then you have to move off of your opinion.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: You have to move off of your beliefs, and most
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: people are just not going to do that. They have
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: either too much pride or there's too much that they
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: have to change about themselves looking in that mirror, yeah,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: right to then move in any kind of direction. And
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: the people that really honestly drive me the most insane,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: who are like, there's no good candidate, There never was
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: a perfect candidate. This whole idea of polarization and politics, Well,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: like this person, I'm not going to vote for this
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: person because I don't agree with.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: This one thing that they're involved in.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: What that's how you vote or you won't vote at
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: all because this was one candidate's party or whatever was
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: associated with something that's not how politics work. It's become
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: very it's become very frustrating for me to even have
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: conversations with people. And I'm trying not to like completely
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: tap out, because i know that's the point, is like normalization,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: So I'm really trying to avoid it. But it's obviously
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: exhausting to every day be online see all the terrible
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: things that are happening, seeing the repercussions of all these things,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: see how people continue to stand Tanto's down with the insanity.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: To me, I'm like, people have to actually experience the
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: pain of their decisions.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but your vote matters, your vote has consequences.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of red states now that are like, damn,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: what's going on? Look at Texas now, damn all going
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: on it? And who deployed the Texas. Mexico deployed the
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Texas to help people out. So it's just like it's
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: so asked backwards. But at the same time, to your point,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: we can't tap out because that's what they want, but
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: we got to hope at some point that common sense
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: is it starts becoming more common in people and they
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: have to see what this divisiveness. And I think race
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: is just using an excuse to to obviously economically hold
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: other people back, you know what I mean. And they
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: get you to think like, hey, this gets you to
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: think one way and paint this beautiful picture, and then
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day it ends up hurting
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: you too. So it's just like I think, you know,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: for black and brown people, politics is never This is
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: not something we just a majority of us didn't discuss
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: us at our dinner table. We weren't made to have
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: a voice or a footprint in this space. So I
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: think we have to go above and beyond and prepare
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: ourselves and read ourselves or read read and do our
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: due diligence. And I think as a community, as a culture,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: we only read headlines and I'm guilty of it sometimes,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: you know, but when it comes to this policy and
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: politic you really have to read the fine print and
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: understand the dynamic.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: And the power of your world.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: That's why I say, if the black and brown people
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: came together, it be a rap. I mean we came together,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: you know, for Biden, and they thought we cheated. That's
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: how powerful when we come together and unified we are.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that we learn from this next four
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: years and we understand how important coming together is, and
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: we come together.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: What's it's been a kind of a crazy year. What
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: are you doing to work on yourself right now?
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: That's a great fucking question, Roy, Damn you man.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I just you know, obviously I went through another public
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: separation and it really hit home from a standpoint of like, motherfucker,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: you're forty five.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: You gotta wake up, gotta stop.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: And it's weird for me, because not weird, but I'm
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: someone who's very aware. I'm someone who's very outspoken. I'm
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: someone who's a great communicator. But I think that's all
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: stuff that I lacked in my relationship. So now understanding that,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: being able to look in the mirror and being able
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: to see clearly and being able to put the bullshit
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: to the side, just a lot of me time, a
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: lot of reading. I've you know, vowed to make a
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: stronger connection to God. So I've been going to church,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I've been reading the Bible, I've been reading spiritual laws
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: and all kinds of stuff, so just kind of more
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: self aware. I felt like counseling hasn't helped. I've had
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: a few different kinds of counseling and that never helped.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: But I feel like I've never had a strong relationship
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: with God. I wasn't raised in a My pops was
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: in the streets selling drugs and I was. We were
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: a football family, you know, probably similarly to you, like Sundays.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: It was for football. So I never grew up or
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: went to church at all. So that's something this year,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: because of my split, happened, but it was it was
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: something that I was thinking about heavy.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: It was so weird.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I kept having so many people like random conversations God this,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: God that, or do you want to come to church?
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, why are all these conversations happening
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: right now? But I felt it was, you know, kind
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: of him calling me, and you know, I was, I was,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I was open to listen. And I think my biggest
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: self improvement right now is just building a stronger relationship
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: with God, being very present with my sons because I
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: know I have four boys, a sixteen year old, twins,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: a six year old, and a ten month old. So
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: just being very present my co parent with both my
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: exes is going really well. So keep my fingers crossed
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: it stays that way. And yeah, like I said, I
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: just think for me as a man, and especially a
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: man that's played professional sports and has been in the spotlight,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: been in the spotlight since I was eighteen. I'm forty
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: five now, you know what I mean. So I think
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: sometimes even I got delusional on my lifestyle and the
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: way I moved and the women that I had in
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: and out of my life. So just kind of becoming
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: more responsible for the decisions I make and you know,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: just trying to be a better me every day.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Did you feel kind of entitled to your life?
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I felt like I worked so hard and I was
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: someone who would always give the shirt off my back.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I was someone who still to this day take care
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: of three or four families and some homies. Like I
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: feel like I worked so motherfucking hard even in my
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: second act, that I felt entitled to still move a
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: certain way, and that was selfishness. Even though I'm busting
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: my ass and I do make ends meet and I
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: make a lot of people's lives better, that still doesn't
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't allow me to do some of
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the dumb.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Shit I do.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Honestly, Well, I feel you.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I think sometimes it's hard also if you come from
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: a traumatic place to uh I call it the werewolf,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: to like let the werewolf go. Yeah, because that that
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: full moon come out.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah lookout howling, you know what I mean. And it
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: was I mean, I think that's a great point. And again,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I think this is a I wish that more athletes
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: and entertainers and musicians can have this real type of
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: conversation because I think we could help each other from
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: our mistakes.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: But we live in such a crazy.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: World now where we don't fight for our relationships or
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: put the effort in our relationships that we put into
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: the rest of our professions, you know what I mean.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And I fell victim to that and it was a huge,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: you know, the huge mistake.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: So it's just like I think we could, you know,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: lean on each other for this kind of information in
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: these real kind of conversations, but I don't think everyone
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: is ready to really kind of look and for me,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: it took forty five years on this or at thirty eight,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I'm forty five, you know what. I mean to finally like, bro,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: you gotta wake the fuck up, you know what I mean?
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Like I felt like because I was the protector and
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: the provider that Okay, I checked the boxes, but there's
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: so much more to emotional stability and love and respect
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: and empathy and all the things that bouncing.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: I'm learning that came from my childhood.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: You know, I came from you know, two parents of
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: were functioning drug addicts, use violence, all kinds of shit.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: And I always said, like, damn, I made it out
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: of that. I made it to the leak. That's not
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: going to hold me back. But now in my later days,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, damn that childhood trauma has a huge, huge
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: influence on the way I put walls up, the way
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not empathetic, the way I'm an asshole at times,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: the way I'll go silent at times, and I'm just like, nah,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: that's it is not that's not cool.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: No more so well as you don't want to pass
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: that to the kids.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Generational curse on and you know, breaking generational curses is
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: very very hard, and it requires level of vulnerability. It
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: requires you not practicing avoidance, which is a family trait
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: of mine. That is a favorite, which you know, I
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: try to work on as well. And it's tough because
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: that's for me. It's like when you're hardwired for chaos,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: it is so hard to unlearn the piece that chaos provides.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've been someone who's been comfortable in
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: chaos my whole life.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Like it's in your It truly is in your DNA.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Like it's like if things are too good, you gotta
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: go turn the heat up.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: All sabotage.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Now, it's funny, I've subconsciously sabotage, like this is too good,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: She's too good. This is like this camp, you know
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: what I mean. It's just like that's such a toxic.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, we're going back to the
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: root cause of that. That's you know, that's trauma. We've
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: all had some sort of trauma.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Some people grew up with two parents and it was good,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: but they faced some trauma. I grew up with, you know,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: two parents that constantly fought, and my mom was trying
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: to leave the whole time, and when she finally was
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: ready to leave, she died from cancer, you know what
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I mean. So it's just like a lot everyone has
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: their story and their journey. And I think if we
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: don't address that, the PSD and the childhood trauma and
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: the teenage trauma and just the daily I mean, this
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: world is fucking crazy. You mean, if you had a
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: perfect child and growing up in this world, you're gonna
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: have some issues. So I just think the more we
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: address it, the more we talk about it, the more
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the more we're not ashamed to admit we need help.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I give a huge shout out to you know,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: the DeMar DeRozan's and the Kevin Love and the Paul
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Georgies that have come out and said like, Yo, I'm
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: making a ton of money, but I'm fucked up, like
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I need some help. I need someone to talk to.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: And I think that athletes are so inspirational and motivational
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: and we're such leaders that when we opened that door,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: it becomes the norm. And I really credit those guys,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: you know, four or five years ago talking about mental health,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: because when we cor up, you were just crazy.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: That' motherfucker's crazy.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we you did not go on medication
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: because you did not go to a therapist.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: It's in the black community, it's a sign weakness, like
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: stop fucking crying, tough enough, all the stuff that they
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: said would make us a man, like now there were
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: men that comes back and it's biting us in the
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: ass because we swept it on the rugg or we
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: avoided it, or we you know, we compartmentalized it.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I think that was also, you know, for survival, like
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: when I when I think of my parents and my
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: grandparents and you know, just people around me in my
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: life and what they what they went through, and they
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: didn't have access to mental health professionals.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Even if they did, they wouldn't go.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: And it was almost like if you even acknowledge that
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: you're depressed, if you even knowledge that you don't feel well,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: if you even your knowledge that you're sad, or you're
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: sad for too long, or you cry as a man
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: like it was partly because we did not value mental
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: health or even think of mental health really, but it
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: was also very much a survival like you can't be
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: soft or this world is going to eat you up,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: especially if you're trying to make something of yourself. The
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: system is already designed for you to fail. If you're
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: going to try and beat the system, you have to
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: be incredibly mentally tough, and what they went through taught
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: them that, and what the people that raised them went
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: through taught them to do that, and they passed it
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: on to us.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Did it? Yeah, and we did it, you know, And
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: it was funny. We talked. I had Bucks's thame, why
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: am I forgetting this thing? Forgive me? We had a
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: guest on oh what is his name? Blaming on the
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: week not my heart.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: But we got in a discussion where I talked about, like,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I haven't cried in thirty years.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: You even cried in third years.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't cry when my mom died. I didn't cry
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: when I got divorced. I didn't cry when my children
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: were born. I didn't cry when I got married. But
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: did you feel I felt like I just wish that
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: there was a way for me to kind of just
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: let it all, because I know a good cry is
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: all I need.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: But I haven't been able to cry.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: And I think it's because I've had to be the
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: soldier in the rock for so long that it's just
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: like it's in there, but I don't know how to
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: tap into it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, I'm not judging, I hate
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: crying front of other people, Like I don't. I despise
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: crying in front of other people.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: I can't one of.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Those like snot nos, Like.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I mean I can be if it's like if I
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: need to cry, but I don't cry anywhere, Like I
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: don't think I cry as much as a normal person
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: is supposed to cry.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: Like I'll cry, you know, once.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Every three weeks or something like in my home alone
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: for like three minutes and then pull it together there.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: And I question, is that is that a release? Is that?
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: What does it do for you?
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I mean I think it's just it's a bit of
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: a release, but it's more of like a stress release.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Things that make me sad don't necessarily make me cry, okay,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: So to me, it's like crying is a bit of
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: a sign of weakness, which sounds crazy obviously I'm a woman,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Like I don't like we're allowed to cry. But my
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: thing is with crying, especially from other people, is I
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: don't like the attention. Yeah, so like everyone's like, oh
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: my god, what's wrong?
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: And like most you don't give a fuck what's wrong
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: with me?
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Like most people, you just want to know what's happening.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: You just want the tea.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you just want the dirt.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So like that's why I don't like crying for that.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: You.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're someone who has established yourself in this space.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: You're a hot topic constantly, uh, mixed woman, very attractive, Like,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: how do you deal with everything that comes your way?
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Because I'm sure there's a lot of women that look
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: up to you and see what you said when we
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: started the show.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I'm making motherfucker's matter on the inn, you know, like
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: how in it?
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Because I but I know a lot of and there's
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: been times where people of comfort you and I'll send
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: you a little test like, man, I fuck that, you know,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. So like just a
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: little cheer up type. But how do you deal with that?
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Because I know it, Like you put on a smile
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: and work your ass off and do your shows, but
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I know mentally it's not easy all the.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Time for you.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I think one, it's always been important to me
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: to remember where the feedback is coming from and the
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: nut gallery. Yeah, and it's you know, I appreciate fans
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: of the show.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: That's the reason why we have a job.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I appreciate people supporting, But if I wouldn't ask for
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: your advice. I am not going to listen to your criticism.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: And that's just how I believe everyone should move because
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: you should not be taking input from people that are
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: not coming from a place where input is positive. And
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: even if it's even if it's constructive criticism, constructive criticism
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: should come from someone who knows you well enough to
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: know that this bit of information will help you grow.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Let me challenge you with that because I agree not
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: like again taken as a grain of salt.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: But you still hear it.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're still.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Human and there's still some ill ass ship that people.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: That's one part of it.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: The other part of it is you do have to
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: turn off the phone, like you do have to step
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: away and go to real life. And it's it's always
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: important for me to touch base with people who are
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: not like habitually online because they remind you. They remind you,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: like this ship is this ship? You can turn this
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: ship off.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of fake. It's not like reality.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I think people live and die by social media and
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: think that ship is real. I mean, because at some
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: point it is real life. But to your point, like,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: there's a ton of people that don't even.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Deal they don't know what the fuck is going online.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Deal with this and they deal with interaction face to face.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: It's weird.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Obviously they're working, they're they're creating, like they're not doing it.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like this next generation, like my kids generation,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: is weird because they communicate through text messages.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Like it's weird.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Like I see it as a coach, like sometimes like
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: these kids have a hard time communicating because it's just
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: like they don't communicate the way we used to communicate.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't I'd have a fucking cell phone till my
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: junior year of college, you know what I mean, Like
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: you had to just find I had no page or nothing.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I was in the wind and it was such a
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: care free time where like you couldn't keep tabs, you
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: didn't know what was going on. But I feel like
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: electronics and the internet have kind of killed just the
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: people's ability to communicate.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a big problem in relationships. I'm
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: worried for the youth because you know, we are just
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: better at not even just like communicating with the relationships,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: because you know, I think we can all still work
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: on that. But I fucking talk for a living, and
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I can talk now me too, Like, yes you too.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: So like if you can't communicate with other humans, yeah,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: without chat GPT telling you what to do, they got
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: sam J told me they got chat GBT write in text.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Now that and I read an article today where AI
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: is turning against human command.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: Well that was an habitable but this is this is.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Like like we're in a We're in such a weird
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: place right now. Man, it's fucking insane, Like we're too
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: smart for our own good.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: Well, which makes us stupid.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: We we have the access to the most amount of
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: information ever and we we don't want.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: To utilize it.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: But to to fully answer your question, I because of
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: all of that, because we're you know, not necessarily dealing
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: with real people, there's all these bots, so like is.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: This even a real person that's trolling you? I wait,
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: bots can talk ship yeah really? Yeah?
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: Oh that's insane.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, bots do a lot of ship talking.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Smack a bot yet noon soon we can Yeah, I
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: don't know how we're gonna We're gonna employ like anti
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: ship talking bots to fight the ship talking bots.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: I tap in with like the people close to me.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: I I am somebody who's outside, Like I'm gonna go
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: spend time with my friends.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go see my family, I'm gonna go.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Touch grass and more and more as i've you know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I've been in the business since two thousand and seven,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: and more and more as like technology changes and you know,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: my career.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: Has gone on. It's like it's it's so important.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: It's funny, like as you get older, you start seeing
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: and saying the things that people who are older and
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: you told you.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: About, and you're like, whatever, I'm getting old.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's okay. I mean, it's a blessing to
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: get old obviously and wiser. I feel like, yeah, but
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: that's what it is.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: It's like everything is not as important as you think
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: it is. Like the things that matter most have always
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: been the things that matter most, the people that you love,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: the things that you enjoy, your health, and like I
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: think your purpose that.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Too, not to cut you off. I don't think you
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: realize that until you start getting older.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: Though, Yeah, you can't. There's no way to know that.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Like it's so well.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I went out for the first time on the fourth
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: of July in LA for the first time at night
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: in like eight years, you know what I mean. And
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: it's just like the things that you prioritize in your
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: twenties or in your thirties or even your late thirties
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: or early forties. Like as you continue to get older
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: and you you're blessed to see these different spins around
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: the sun or the moon or however you take it, like,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: it's just like you really start to focus on what
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: the most, you know what I mean, Because I'm forty five.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: I got more days behind me than I do ahead of.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Me, you know what I mean.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: So you really start to look it and kind of
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: put that in perspective like.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Don't mean nothing. That shit, don't mean nothing.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: I don't need to do that, Like I want to
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: do this, Like I need to be with my kids,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: this is my goal in my career. This is where
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I need to be spiritually, Like all this shit really
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: starts to like slap you in the face as you
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: continue to if you're lucky enough to get older. So
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: that's why I say, like I'm starting to get these
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: motherfucker gray hairs all over the place.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: I'm like, God damn, but are you gonna let the
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: grey go? Are you gonna die go?
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: It's weird because people think I die my shit, like
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I haven't died nothing like, but I just don't get
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: gray hairs in my head. I get them in my face.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: I get them on my chest a little bit. But
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, I mean, my first get to see
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: gray hair, you know what I mean.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Like, No, it's a blessing to grow old, especially as
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: a black man. That's that's that's a it's a blessing
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: to grow O.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: I think it's so funny.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Like then the anti aging rhetoric, like, isn't the point
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: to get older? If you're not getting older, you're no
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: longer here. So yes, I would like to get old.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: The only thing I'll say that I'm getting older. I've
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: got on a little skin skin regimen.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: Now, yeah, you gotta do that.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I have to be on TV and I like to
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: smoke a lot of weeds. That and I'm getting old
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and I be in the sun golf. You got a
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: good esthetician creams and in the face washes and the
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: moisturizers and the fucking beef tallow and all this kind
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: of shit.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: It's just like, hey, I'm not bullshit.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: And I want to say, all of a sudden last
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: year I woke up at some point like damn, I
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: got some fucking lines I don't like. I don't like this, Like,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: how do I get so? I would I was talking
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: to my girl at the time, or talking old like
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: what do you do?
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: What do you use? What do you do?
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I start looking at shit online. So like that's the
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: one thing that I've kind of got into because I,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: you know, God willing, I'm gonna be.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: On TV or they got good face ups now that
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing none of that ship because that ship
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: is like an upkeep and there's a chance that it
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: could really fuck you up and have you looking like
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: a weird a while here.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to age gracefully.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Like the only thing I'm really paying attention to now
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: is kind of my skin routine.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta do that. You gotta do that. I
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: got a great esthetician, and I.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Need one of those ones that will get in your
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: nose and really pop up your ship where they need you.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and she skinned by Sin. She's amazing. She's here
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: in La.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: Does she do house calls?
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: She does?
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: No, she's expensive, but yeah, she but she I also
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: love her. Shout out to Cynthia, Uh, she's amazing. I
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: also love her because she she gives you like what
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: you need for your skin, not just like sometimes you
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: go to spas and they just use like whatever on you.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Like she's not going to give you the same ship
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: that she gives me.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I just ordered some shit. I'll be on the internet,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: burnt high at night when I can't sleep, and I
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: just order some shit off Instagram that I saw Dana
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: White us about reading like you're I met this one
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: dude that kind of helped transform them And to your point,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: you just said, like what you need, Like there's a
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: test I need to take. The kit just came to
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: kind of figure out like what kind of intakes and
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: vitamins and food.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been doing that for years.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: I haven't.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: I've never I've always been the athlete to eat whatever
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: the fuck I want and then work out hard for
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: a month and get a six pack. But at forty five,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: that shit don't work. So I need to kind of
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: change that that game plan.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: A little bit.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: No, that it's important to I mean, if you can
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: do that, that like changed my life because you're yeah,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: because you're not just taking random vitamins like you need
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: something for your body that I don't need, and then
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: balancing yourself out with like the we can't get that
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: in the States with the food that we eat, like
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: other countries don't have to do that because they just
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: eat food that they grow. You don't do that, So
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: you do have to take all these like supplements to
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: make up for what's not in the food because they're
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: trying kill us because we have a crackhead.
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: As a I was thinking the other day, like the
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: head for us, everything everything is bad like and they're
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: like they're continuing the processes from alcohol to food, the
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: cigarettes to.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Here's where I don't understand from the billionaires, like if
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: you if they kill us all, who's going to make
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: the money?
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: I don't fucking know.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: And if we can't make any money, who's gonna buy
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: all the shit?
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Who's gonna buy your products?
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: I don't get it.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: That's the most fascinating part of politics right now and
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: when everything is happening is like I get rich people
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: trying to get richer.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: That makes sense to me.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that when I'm a billionaire, I'm gonna
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: behave that way, but I do get the mentality of
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: rich people trying to get richer.
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: And trying to keep more of your money.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: But I've always followed the money right in any of
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: these situations. If you're gonna star everybody and kill everyone
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: off and then make sure that nobody can't make any money,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: how are you going to make money?
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: To make money?
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I asked a billionaire one time, and I definitely won't
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: say his name, but I said it was like, as
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: can you make a billion dollars clean? And he laughed
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: at me and called me about my government. Matthew, No,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: of course not.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, of course not when I hit a
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: billion and just know, somebody got fucked over on the way,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: so wack to do that.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: They deserve it or not, but it's just a healthy
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: way to do that.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: We live in such a greed and I get it,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: like everyone the goal is to make money, but also
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: the goal is to enjoy it while you're here. And
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: was it Steve Jobs when he passed, like I can't
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: take this money with me and he had all the
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: money in the world and that shit wiped him out,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: So it's just like, I just think the.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: World needs so much love right now, Like we all
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: need to hug and smoke weed and chill the fuck out.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: But it's just like it's it's such a it's disheartening
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: because every time I do look on social media, it's
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: just like why I stop watching the news a handful
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: of years ago, because every time I turn the news
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: it's negativity and now it's unfortunate. Every time you open
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: any kind of app, it's just negativity. It's just like, fuck,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: people don't value life.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: I think it.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: I do also feel like it is a lot of
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: American society, Like I travel a lot, and it's like
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: traveling is one of my interests, like sports, talking shit,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: traveling and.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah and uh and why and.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Traveling to me is a great education because you see
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: things that are not controlled by what is meant for
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: you to see. You experience people who have grown up
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: completely different than you. They speak different languages than you,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: they have a different way of life working. Like when
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: I just recently went to Tokyo, I just like my
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe. I was like, we live like animals here,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's crazy, there's no dirt, there's no garbage, there's
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  Speaker 2: no garbage, Like children are safe to walk around the
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: most populated city in the world, and people look out
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  Speaker 2: for them. They make sure that the kids are safe,
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  Speaker 2: they take care of their elders. Like not saying that
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  Speaker 2: Japan is perfect. Every country has its things. There's lots
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: of things that were red flags to me that I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't have agreed with society. But like, you don't have
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: to live a certain way, you don't have to do things.
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  Speaker 2: And so much of our society, as American society, is
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: like more and more and more, bigger, bigger food, bigger house,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: bigger car, bigger this, bigger, but bigger women, bigger things
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  Speaker 2: like bigger job or bigger career.
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  Speaker 3: Bb go off. Are BBO is going to die out?
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  Speaker 3: Or those?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think they're set.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think we're going I don't think we're
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  Speaker 2: going away from the BBLS. Back to your point though, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And I and and when I travel, and I know
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  Speaker 2: I'm diseased by like the American green machine, Like there's
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: I think about it all the time. I'm like, could
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: I just like live simple, Like could I just live
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  Speaker 2: simple and be happy, be content, be happy, be fulfilled?
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  Speaker 2: Like I don't know, because I've been wired so hard
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: for this life that I could do that. But boy,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: sometimes I'd be like, man, y'all might not see me
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  Speaker 2: next week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to was it Senegal that has Gory
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  Speaker 1: Island where they had the first slaves? I went to Senegal.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if that's true or not.
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  Speaker 1: I was just, you know, I went to Africa and
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  Speaker 1: I visited a few different cities, but I was just
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  Speaker 1: so fucking blown away joy about how they don't like phone,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: no phones, like the internet, like they just live life.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: And I went on a walk one time. I went
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: out on a walk and I'm smoking. I couldn't smoke
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: in the hotel. We were staying near this beach, and
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: I just heard like this kind of noise and I
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: didn't know what the fuck it was. And the closer
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: I got there was it was two in the morning.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: And when I, if I'm lying, I'm flying there's probably
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  Speaker 1: five hundred people like running in the stand at two
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  Speaker 1: in the morning, kids' parents, but like they were working
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  Speaker 1: out at two in the But I was just thinking, like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: they're just so they're in the moment, they're living their lives,
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  Speaker 1: like the Internet doesn't matter, Like they're not controlled by
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  Speaker 1: like they're just fucking living in their present. And I
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: think to your point, like we're so wired to have
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: to we're wired to be greedy, we're wired to never
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  Speaker 1: be satisfied, and that's those qualities help you succeed in
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  Speaker 1: our society. But to your point, that'd be great. I
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  Speaker 1: always just think about like going off the grid, man,
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  Speaker 1: Like can I ever get to a point where I
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: can just go chill and be simple? And I think
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  Speaker 1: I can because I came from nothing, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. And I've never been one to let money
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  Speaker 1: change me, like people who know me know me. I've
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: always been the same. But can we as society kind
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  Speaker 1: of lived out I don't. I don't think so.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think we can in our society.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think one thing that one change that
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: I'm working on is to appreciate the things that I've
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: worked for and appreciate the space that I'm in and
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: be present in the space that I'm in, because, especially
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: when you're an aspirational person, it's so easy to focus
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: on what's the next step, what's the next job, what's
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: the next check, what's the next thing that we're doing,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: and you miss the moment that you're in. And I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: can think of so many space spaces in my career
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: where I'm like, man, not even just my career, like
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: my life, like things I've missed or things I've sacrificed,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's not that I necessarily regret that,
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  Speaker 2: but I do want to enjoy recognize it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, That's what I ask.
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  Speaker 1: I mean when I talked to athletes on my show
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  Speaker 1: or just in general, like when you know, have you
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: had a chance to reflect on your career? If I'm
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: talking to current athletes, like, we don't have time to.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, current athletes cannot reflect on the good, the bad,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: the ugly, the in between.
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  Speaker 3: You just can't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so when do you finally have a chance
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  Speaker 1: to sit back and reflect and just enjoy your accomplishments.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Go ahead and patch yourself on the back. If you
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: have some money, be able to enjoy your money. And
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: I just don't think we do that enough. And I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: think if we did it more, I don't think we'd
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: be so uptight and stressed. I'm like, one of my
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: good friends is at forty six just had a fucking
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: stroke and had to go in emergency brain surgery.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just like, damn, you're that, Like that's stressed.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: We're we're hamsters on a wheel constantly instead of kind
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: of being present in the moment. So I agree with
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  Speaker 1: you and that that's something I definitely work on too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for coming by. We really appreciate you a blessing.
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  Speaker 2: and Jack. They do an amazing job, great interviews. I
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  Speaker 2: did an interview there many years ago. What many years ago?
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  Speaker 2: It was like a three years ago, three years ago.
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  Speaker 2: We had to run that back and we.
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  Speaker 3: Got some cool shit cooking up too, hopefully.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And Matt's also a board member of Projects sixty
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  Speaker 4: Very active in the community.
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  Speaker 2: Good friends, great podcaster, great dad.
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  Speaker 4: But thank you for talking my Matt, Thank.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks thanks so much to Matt for stopping by. Too Personal.
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  Speaker 2: That was a great conversation. Loved that, and I love
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  Speaker 2: at two personal show. This one always gets everyone really
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  Speaker 2: rouled up. But do extraterrestrials exist? And how do you
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: feel about migrating to other planets or being integrated? Okay,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: first of all, there are absolutely aliens. This is not
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  Speaker 2: a conversation that I entertained with anyone. I believe my
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: mother tried to have this conversation with me the other
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: day and I was like, I won't be doing this
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: with you. There are definitely aliens. Like, it's not even
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: this is I'm not going back and forth with you.
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  Speaker 4: The universe is.
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  Speaker 2: More expansive than our brains can even compute. Like, I'm
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: not going to get all neildagrass tyson on everybody, but like,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of planets and a lot of stars.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of shit going on outside of our galaxy,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: which is just one galaxy in the universe.
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  Speaker 4: You cannot tell me.
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  Speaker 2: And I refuse to listen to any conversation that establishes
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  Speaker 2: human beings as the only intelligent creatures in the universe.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: I think very highly of myself.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: I don't think that much, and I certainly don't think
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: that much of human beings, we eat tide pods. We
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: cannot be the only intelligent being in the universe. That's
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: just not the case. Do I think that everyone looks
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: like us? Every species has a form that we have. No,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: I don't, and I don't care about the religious background
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: of like you know that we're the only ones in
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: some other universe and some other galaxy they're having the
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: same conversation about us. Maybe they don't look like us,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: maybe they don't breathe there. I don't know. But what
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: I do know is we are not the only intelligent
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: life in the entire universe. You cannot tell me that
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: this ghetto ass planet is the only planet that can
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: sustain life.
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  Speaker 4: That is just silly, It's nonsense. I'm not doing it now.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Obviously extraterrestrials exist. Second part of this question, migrain to
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  Speaker 2: other plants are being integrated. No, thank you won't be
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  Speaker 2: doing it. I am not a survivalist. I am not
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: going to Mars. I'm not doing it. I do want
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: to go to space. I do want the opportunity to
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: go to space, which, now, if you're wealthy enough, obviously
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: you can do. I have always been interested in space travel,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: I've always been interested in astronauts. May Jamison is like
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: the coolest to me. Growing up, I was definitely like
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: a nerd with all of that stuff rocks. I thought
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: I wanted to be a paleontologist like I was definitely
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: way into wanting to be a scientist, and then realized
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: I was not smart enough to be a scientist.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: But I can still go to space.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to be that. You can be Katie
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Perry and go to space. So I do want to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: go to space. I do not want to go to
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: go live on Mars. I'm not interested. I don't want
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: to be integrated with the alien community. I'm pretty sure
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: they're avoiding us right now and letting us take care
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: of ourselves so they can come and get all the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: natural resources from the planet. I certainly wouldn't stop by
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: here if I was driving around the galaxy. But I
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: will not be surviving the apocalypse. I will not be
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: going to Mars. I will not be saving the human race.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you right now, if it's up to me,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: I'm the last one.
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  Speaker 4: Forget it.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: The humans have humans have walked their path, We've contributed
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: to the history of the universe, and that is where
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: it's going to end. I will not be the one
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: doing it. I like naps, I like being able to
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: order noodles. I'm not doing it. So no to the
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: second half of the question. Yes to the first half
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: of the question. Argue with your mama.
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  Speaker 4: Loved that question.
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