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How Police Captured A Killer Soldier 7 Years Later · The conspiracy

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Speaker 1: Out off the southeast in industreet there was a body
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Speaker 1: that was found in a half Okay, we're able to
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Speaker 1: say that it is kept. Okay, I'm so sorry for
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Speaker 1: your lost sir.
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Speaker 2: This is twenty eight year old John Blauvelt learning that
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Speaker 2: his missing wife was discovered in an abandoned house, brutally murdered,
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Speaker 2: surrounded by Satanic markings. However, John had a disturbing secret
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Speaker 2: he couldn't tell the interviewer that day now if I
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Speaker 2: might were down. Using his military experience, he carried out
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Speaker 2: a near perfect murder that kept detectives one step behind
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Speaker 2: for years, and by the time investigators began to narrow
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Speaker 2: in on him, John was already long gone, living in
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Speaker 2: a new state, in a new house, running away with
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Speaker 2: his seventeen year old girlfriend, and seemingly getting away for good.
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Speaker 3: The files a kind of logic that I had beers
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Speaker 3: demas sixty two year owners or.
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Speaker 4: We know more than you paid.
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Speaker 5: What if I told you that your cell phone did
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Speaker 5: paying somewhere other than where you say you were.
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Speaker 2: It's two fifteen pm on October twenty fourth, twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 2: Twenty two year old Katie Blavelt is captured on CCTV
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Speaker 2: inside her workplace. Her shift is soon coming to an
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Speaker 2: end and she's planning to meet her mother. At three
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Speaker 2: pm that same day, she leaves, calls her mother and
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Speaker 2: takes a selfie, unaware it's the last photo she ever takes.
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Speaker 2: Not long after, her phone pings a location for the
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Speaker 2: last time, and Katie disappears without a trace. Five hours
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Speaker 2: passed by. It's now seven PM, and Katie never arrived
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Speaker 2: for dinner with her mother. Worried, the mother and other
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Speaker 2: family members try calling her multiple times, but her phone
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Speaker 2: has no signal. At seven forty eight pm, Katie's mother
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Speaker 2: reports her missing. Officers, friends and family mobilized to look
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Speaker 2: for her, and the search officially begins. But this left
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Speaker 2: detectives with a critical five hour gap in the timeline,
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Speaker 2: one they would spend months trying to piece together. Ten
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Speaker 2: hours would go past without any clues about Katie's whereabouts. Then,
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Speaker 2: at twelve thirty three am, the police receive an unexpected call.
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Speaker 2: One of Katie's friends is on the line, claiming he's
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Speaker 2: just found her body dead insideing abandoned house deep in
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Speaker 2: in nearby forest.
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Speaker 6: Since nine what's the pation of your emergency?
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Speaker 4: Following that discovered church across from the wood you're.
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Speaker 6: In discuss you're at discovered church across.
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Speaker 7: From where.
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Speaker 8: Across from it.
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Speaker 4: I was worried about my friends Katy and she bring
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Speaker 4: a rowana and who came in this house? That wes
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Speaker 4: behind all hang outdance and.
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Speaker 2: Quickly medics and police rushed to the address of an
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Speaker 2: abandoned house deep in the woods. Upon arriving at the scene,
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Speaker 2: officers notice multiple graffiti markings, including apparent Satanic symbols. Soon after,
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Speaker 2: they identify the caller as Wayne Roper, a friend of Katie,
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Speaker 2: who leads them into the basement of the abandoned house. There,
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Speaker 2: officers find a large concrete box sealed with plywood. When
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Speaker 2: they remove the cover, they're met with a horrifying sight.
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Speaker 2: Katie's body lies inside with a knife pierced through her
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Speaker 2: neck and sixteen stab wounds across her body. The lack
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Speaker 2: of struggle in the state of her clothing, with her
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Speaker 2: shirt pulled up and her lower clothes missing, suggests did
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Speaker 2: actually motivated killing. All of these details point detectives straight
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Speaker 2: to Wayne as their first potential suspect, but what they
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Speaker 2: don't realize is that this is exactly what the killer
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Speaker 2: wants them to think every detail of the scene has
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Speaker 2: been arranged to send them chasing the wrong lead. Without
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Speaker 2: realizing it, detectives have walked straight into the killers set up.
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Speaker 2: As the night went on, forensics revealed chilling details. Katie's
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Speaker 2: body had been dragged to the basement and her phone
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Speaker 2: was found submerged in water to destroy it. Wayne is
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Speaker 2: detained and brought in for questioning. At the moment, detectives
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Speaker 2: believe they have their killer and they're ready to push
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Speaker 2: for a confession.
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Speaker 9: Why and I'm sorry, Katy wrop Hey, Pusine River.
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Speaker 3: Right away think about.
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Speaker 2: At this point, Wayne believes he's been brought in to
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Speaker 2: be questioned as a witness after the heartbreaking discovery, unaware
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Speaker 2: that detectives are already convinced about his involvement in the
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Speaker 2: murder and any statement he makes might be used against him.
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Speaker 9: I think you know why you're here, right, Okay, tell me, uh,
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Speaker 9: how did you meet Kay? Just kind of what your
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Speaker 9: relationship was and leading out until you know, eleven thirty
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Speaker 9: or so last night, Okay.
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Speaker 10: First met her of your friends at first, and then
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Speaker 10: we dated for like a month or so, and then
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Speaker 10: that's wherever others to deliver you with my dad, and
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Speaker 10: we stayed content for a little bit, and then that
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Speaker 10: with my dad's gone lost content.
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Speaker 2: Detectives begin the interview by learning that Wayne and Katie
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Speaker 2: were once together, but quickly Wayne reveals something that would
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Speaker 2: immediately put suspicion onto his his name.
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Speaker 10: Maybe a year later that Kay got married to John Lovell,
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Speaker 10: and then one night she came in. Uh dealt with
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Speaker 10: us with John. It was the first time singer since
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Speaker 10: I moved and since then.
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Speaker 11: John offered to move here with them in a roommate.
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Speaker 10: Being two hundreds, I took it up. It was a
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Speaker 10: good deal.
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Speaker 3: So you lived with her husband?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it was when was this you know?
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Speaker 10: This was when.
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Speaker 4: It was before June's year.
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Speaker 2: As Wayne explains that he once dated Katie and later
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Speaker 2: lived with her and her husband, detectives gain another reason
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Speaker 2: to suspect him jealousy, and just as everything appears to
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Speaker 2: be moving in the perfect direction for the real killer
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Speaker 2: and his carefully constructed plan, Wayne makes a claim that
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Speaker 2: complicates the investigation and may just be enough to ruin
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Speaker 2: the killer's plan.
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Speaker 10: Living there, everything like going okay, And then they started
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Speaker 10: having arguments because of me, because she used to talk
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Speaker 10: about me before, and she.
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Speaker 2: Told me that he was jealous of me, and.
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Speaker 11: Their arguments are eating worse, and.
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Speaker 4: That was whenever you got your unk one night and.
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Speaker 10: He cussed her out and he had her in a bathroom.
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Speaker 10: They were just pretty much the screaming at each other.
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Speaker 10: From there she ended up moving back when with her mom,
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Speaker 10: I think.
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Speaker 9: Why did you in cage when you were living with
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Speaker 9: John Aka were all being inmate with each other.
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Speaker 11: It was a long ones.
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Speaker 3: And John was there or not there is It was like.
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Speaker 12: Thro something.
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Speaker 9: And how did that call about.
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Speaker 4: I'm drinking?
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Speaker 10: He was drunking?
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Speaker 13: I did that?
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Speaker 14: He is changed.
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Speaker 2: If true, Wayne's claims about John's violent behavior could shift
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Speaker 2: suspicion towards him. But despite Wayne's accusations, something still doesn't
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Speaker 2: add up. His story with its inconsistencies and gaps keeps
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Speaker 2: raising suspicions because prior to this interrogation, detectives learned that
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Speaker 2: on the day of Katie's death, Wayne arrived late to work,
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Speaker 2: and he admits to walking near the abandoned house around
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Speaker 2: the time Katie disappeared. More importantly, while it worked, Wayne
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Speaker 2: was aware that Katie might be inside that very house.
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Speaker 2: Yet despite that suspicion, he never alerted authorities. Instead, he
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Speaker 2: waited until the end of the day, went there himself,
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Speaker 2: and only then called the police. All of this places
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Speaker 2: Wayne's squarely in the crosshairs of investigators and unknowingly pushes
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Speaker 2: them further into the real killer's trap, because in the
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Speaker 2: next few minutes the interview will take a terrifying turn
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Speaker 2: as Detective's unknowingly edged closer to forcing an innocent man
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Speaker 2: into confession to a brutal murder that he never committed.
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Speaker 2: to Wayne's interview, where detectives are on the verge of
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Speaker 2: pushing an innocent man into a murder confession.
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Speaker 4: Why did why didn't you call a place?
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Speaker 15: I didn't think of it?
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Speaker 1: I didn't do you know?
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Speaker 16: She said?
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Speaker 13: What would you think?
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Speaker 9: The best idea is for you to walk into what
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Speaker 9: turns out today her final resting place where somebody murdered
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Speaker 9: her and dumped her down there like a piece of trash.
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Speaker 9: You don't want to look at the bass.
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Speaker 16: Running sending there to the flesh ladder, like if you're
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Speaker 16: still at the door of it, you can see in there.
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Speaker 3: It's see in the tub.
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Speaker 2: I'm telling you I was up there in the day
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Speaker 2: for you.
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Speaker 3: She wasn't in the tough This defies any kind of
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Speaker 3: logic that I have experienced in my sixty two years
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Speaker 3: on his earth.
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Speaker 4: You look like you're gonna pass out.
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Speaker 6: This is too much. I bet it is.
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Speaker 9: Get it off of you, then, I'm sure it is.
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Speaker 17: Lay it down.
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Speaker 3: You laid it, burn down. That's the only way you
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Speaker 3: be forgiving it. You gotta say I messed up. Help me,
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Speaker 3: So what's gonna say?
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Speaker 14: And I'll do it.
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do it on credit.
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Speaker 2: Detectives remained suspicious of Wayne, but with him sticking to
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Speaker 2: its story and no hard evidence, they couldn't yet arrest him. Instead,
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Speaker 2: they collected his DNA to compare what the DNA found
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Speaker 2: underneath Katy's fingernails. But that's when just a few hours
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Speaker 2: after Wayne's interview, as police searched the area around the
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Speaker 2: abandoned house, they stumble upon Katie's car only a few
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Speaker 2: miles from the crime scene, left abandoned in a nearby
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Speaker 2: parking lot. It looked as if she had left in
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Speaker 2: a hurry, but the reason her car ended up there
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Speaker 2: would remain one of the biggest mysteries for the following months.
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Speaker 2: Up to this point, everything was going according to the
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Speaker 2: killer's plan, one designed and carried out by Katie's own husband,
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Speaker 2: John Blauvelt, but Wayne's comments about his jealousy pushed detectives
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Speaker 2: to dig deeper. What they found was a restraining order
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Speaker 2: filed months earlier after John had allegedly pulled a gun
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Speaker 2: on Katie when she refused to give him her phone
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Speaker 2: for the first time. Despite his efforts, officers were seriously
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Speaker 2: beginning to suspect John, so the next day, on October two,
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Speaker 2: twenty sixth, detectives approach him at his office on the
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Speaker 2: military base where he works. Their goal is simple, hear
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Speaker 2: his side of the story, verify his alibi for the
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Speaker 2: day Katie died, and see how he reacts under pressure.
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Speaker 2: For most perpetrators, this would be the moment everything starts
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Speaker 2: to fall apart. But John isn't like the rats. He
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Speaker 2: would play it perfectly all right.
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Speaker 18: Well, they're out off of Southeast Minu Street.
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Speaker 1: There was a body that was found in a house, Okay,
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Speaker 1: in an abandoned house, and at this point we're able
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Speaker 1: to say that it is captain. Okay, I'm so sorry
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Speaker 1: for your lost sir. At this time we are investigating.
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Speaker 1: They would investigate every death the same way. We start
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Speaker 1: with homicide and work our way from there. Okay, what
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Speaker 1: the restraint in order to deal what was to deal
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Speaker 1: with that?
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Speaker 4: This is a charge that I got back in.
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Speaker 2: February, the mestic violence first figure, do you know if.
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Speaker 18: She had any issues with anybody, anybody?
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Speaker 5: I won't hurt her.
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Speaker 18: No, And I just I know that she's been dating
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Speaker 18: around and you know it's whatever for.
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Speaker 2: Do notice how John intentionally directs detectives towards the fact
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Speaker 2: that Katie is dating around him. Pointing this out isn't
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Speaker 2: a coincidence, It's a strategy. By controlling the narrative this early,
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Speaker 2: John is quietly planting a story that will protect him later.
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Speaker 6: Did you work this Monday? What time you get off Monday?
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Speaker 10: Like two thirties too?
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Speaker 9: I don't know.
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Speaker 8: Did you stop.
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Speaker 5: Anywhere on the way home?
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Speaker 6: Let me ask you just why were you looking for Katie.
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Speaker 14: For shying shyan short or now I'm just trying to
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Speaker 14: help row who.
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Speaker 6: Do you know that we want to do harm for her?
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Speaker 19: Nobody.
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Speaker 6: Do you know there's guy I used to live with you,
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Speaker 6: madhead fella red Hood. Yeah, Wayne, Yeah, let's see the story.
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Speaker 15: Regular dud good good?
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Speaker 2: Thanks?
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Speaker 1: What do you do for the army?
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Speaker 14: All? Right now? It's sitting's office.
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Speaker 5: It's my office right now.
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Speaker 20: Because of the civil investigation, all of my recruiting duties
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Speaker 20: have been suspended.
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Speaker 6: Are you familiar with this Manden house?
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Speaker 10: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: Okay, that's the spot.
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Speaker 1: That's so cool.
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Speaker 4: What's the still hangout spot?
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Speaker 11: A m I be in charge of the time because
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Speaker 11: he's recorded me and I'm.
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Speaker 1: Not comfortable with that.
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Speaker 18: No, if I am my life or contact a lawyer
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Speaker 18: because this is uncomfortable. Okay, you're not You're you're not
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Speaker 18: being charge. Okay, with a climb right now.
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Speaker 2: As the interview ends, John does something counterintuitive. He defends Wayne,
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Speaker 2: the man he's secretly framing. It's a manipulation tactic known
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Speaker 2: as reverse empathy. By showing compassion, he makes himself appear
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Speaker 2: harmless and trustworthy. John's first interrogation had gone almost perfectly,
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Speaker 2: leaving detectives with little they could use against him. Still,
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Speaker 2: they couldn't shake the feeling that something was off. With
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Speaker 2: no evidence to hold him. He was let go, and
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Speaker 2: officers would turn to those closest to John and Katie,
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Speaker 2: their friends and family, unaware that John had already influenced them.
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Speaker 2: Detectives started with Crystal, Katie's best friend and at the
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Speaker 2: time also John's roommate. John knew exactly what to expect
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Speaker 2: here in his interrogation. He had already planted the idea
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Speaker 2: that Katie was dating around, and Crystal, being one of
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Speaker 2: Katie's close friends, also knew about her dating habits. His
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Speaker 2: hope was that she would unknowingly reinforce this misdirection, steering
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Speaker 2: suspicion towards anyone but him.
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Speaker 6: After the twenty eight she pass a keen for Fort
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Speaker 6: MPM Spinel's part.
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Speaker 5: Well, here's.
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Speaker 7: A questions, Katy's murderer.
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Speaker 6: He's just I mean, he said that.
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Speaker 21: You know.
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Speaker 8: It sucks for him because he feels like he's he's
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Speaker 8: gonna get in trouble for it. But you know, he's like,
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Speaker 8: I didn't do this, you know, like I'm tired of
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Speaker 8: people coming after me. To me and John actually really
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Speaker 8: do get along, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 6: I'm not gonna lie about him at all. I'm gonna
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Speaker 6: tell you the straight up truth.
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Speaker 19: He's acting weird.
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Speaker 6: I'm gonna tell you what he wasn't.
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Speaker 2: I was thinking last night about it.
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Speaker 17: I really was.
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Speaker 8: Just maybe a split second thought that it could have
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Speaker 8: been John. But he's ever since Katie's gone missing, he's
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Speaker 8: made sure that there was more than one person around him.
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Speaker 21: At the time that Katie got at the deponent, John
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Speaker 21: would all pretty mus were sitting over.
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Speaker 8: Here, I mean from five o'clock when he came back home,
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Speaker 8: until me and my wiferiend left for work the next morning.
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Speaker 4: He was there.
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Speaker 2: Notice how Crystal mentions that John got home at five
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Speaker 2: pm and stayed there the entire evening until morning. It's
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Speaker 2: a detail that would later turn out to be part
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Speaker 2: of John's manipulation.
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Speaker 21: So if you had taken us killed her, I don't know,
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Speaker 21: because I heard a lot of things, and I know
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Speaker 21: she had a tender and I know that she was
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Speaker 21: dating a lot of people from you know, she a
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Speaker 21: telling me that she took a lot of people down
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Speaker 21: in the house.
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Speaker 5: I didn't even know the house existed.
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Speaker 6: What were John's doing for bolts? I mean, I know
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Speaker 6: that any love her, I know that he still does.
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Speaker 12: I mean he's mad because of what Katie is accusing,
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Speaker 12: you know, be able to run up to my end
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Speaker 12: and stuff like that.
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Speaker 6: And just by the way she was talking, I knew
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Speaker 6: she was lying because that's what she did.
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Speaker 8: Me and her, you scenting each other's trouble all the
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Speaker 8: time in high school.
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Speaker 10: That's what she do.
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Speaker 13: She lie, you know.
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Speaker 2: Us, as John hoped, Crystal's account added fuel to the
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Speaker 2: idea he had planted. By emphasizing Katie's dating life, She
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Speaker 2: unknowingly fed into John's narrative, suggesting the threat may have
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Speaker 2: come from someone she was seeing, maybe even Wayne. Next
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Speaker 2: came Catherine, John's ex wife and the mother of his child.
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Speaker 2: He had already made sure she wouldn't say too much.
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Speaker 2: Fear and their shared child would be enough to keep
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Speaker 2: her quiet.
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Speaker 15: This enough, What do you mean? Married num for seven years?
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Speaker 22: Have with the drinking great and sober? Has there any
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Speaker 22: violence between the two of you?
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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm not here to go and arrest him
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Speaker 8: or something that happened ten years ago or anything like that.
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Speaker 15: But I just don't want to go into anything that
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Speaker 15: had to do with us, because that doesn't make him
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Speaker 15: do This is what happened between.
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Speaker 22: Him it's not the criminal.
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Speaker 14: Guy.
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Speaker 15: I mean, I'm a lie God, but I I wouldn't
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Speaker 15: mean if he was that crazy. Thank you for thing though.
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Speaker 11: Let you do a kid together.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's that.
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Speaker 13: We'll do it.
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Speaker 14: All right.
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Speaker 6: I'll get you a card.
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Speaker 13: Would not around they all.
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Speaker 2: Catherine silence kept John safe for now, but the final
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Speaker 2: interview with Katie's niece Cheyenne would not go according to
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Speaker 2: John's plan. Unlike Crystal or Catherine, she wouldn't protect him. Instead,
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Speaker 2: she would point suspicion directly at John and reveal a
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Speaker 2: motive that would tie everything together. For the first time,
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Speaker 2: his carefully built plan would start to fall apart.
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Speaker 6: Alrighty, your name is yan Packson. Is that correct? Yes? Okay,
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Speaker 6: it's Thursday, Optomber twenty seventh to eight fifty two a m.
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Speaker 6: Since the Place departments in rect to the on side investigation,
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Speaker 6: Caitlin black Belt, have you ever seen John get bo
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Speaker 6: towards Katy?
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Speaker 4: I never seen them hand, I've seen them.
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Speaker 19: Where are you with?
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Speaker 4: Key had gone over to his house on the Rown
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Speaker 4: in the last two weeks time on life.
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Speaker 6: I don't so, he says he hasn't seen her since
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Speaker 6: it was.
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Speaker 8: Such a lot.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, he's seen her.
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Speaker 14: I know him that John was really angry Kate a
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Speaker 14: lot of four.
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Speaker 6: He feels like that it's.
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Speaker 14: All like you know their relationship. But in fact, do
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Speaker 14: you think I went about it all? He seeks a
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Speaker 14: good stable, that he's losing his job, didn't.
22:05
Speaker 4: And he's just he just blames it all.
22:10
Speaker 14: I don't know if this matters or not, but I
22:12
Speaker 14: know he has to connor fifty thousand dollars life insurance policy.
22:18
Speaker 6: I appreciate it coming in. I know it's not easy,
22:21
Speaker 6: especially wants to get close to you, but it's importantly.
22:24
Speaker 4: Yeah, he gave us good information that we need.
22:29
Speaker 2: Cheyenne's interview gave detectives their first real motive pointing to John,
22:34
Speaker 2: but motive wasn't enough. They needed evidence. They have a
22:39
Speaker 2: few leads, but they have no defined person of interest
22:42
Speaker 2: just yet. As the investigation dragged on, the detective's frustration
22:46
Speaker 2: began to grow. John had covered himself so carefully that
22:50
Speaker 2: they couldn't even get a judge to approve a DNA warrant.
22:54
Speaker 2: Without it, they had nothing that could tie him directly
22:57
Speaker 2: to Katie's final moments. It's now been four days since
23:02
Speaker 2: Katie was killed and detectives didn't have any solid evidence.
23:07
Speaker 2: They knew John was smart, but so were they. Out
23:10
Speaker 2: of options and patience, they began planning something different. They
23:14
Speaker 2: began forming a new, risky and very unconventional plan. In
23:19
Speaker 2: just two days, they would set a trap for John,
23:22
Speaker 2: a trap at Katie's own funeral. In the days leading
23:27
Speaker 2: up to the funeral, detectives stayed ready while they waited,
23:31
Speaker 2: Katie's family mourned and tried to make sense of what happened.
23:35
Speaker 2: Twenty two year old Katie had spent the past year
23:38
Speaker 2: working at pat smart, surrounded by animals she was saving
23:42
Speaker 2: and taking care of. She was easygoing and warm, quick
23:46
Speaker 2: to make friends and close with her family. But her
23:49
Speaker 2: peaceful life from just days earlier would make what was
23:53
Speaker 2: about to come only more unsettling. As the day of
23:59
Speaker 2: the funeral came, detectives entered the funeral home early, working
24:03
Speaker 2: quietly before guests began to arrive. They positioned hidden cameras
24:08
Speaker 2: around the room and secretly wired the space for sound.
24:11
Speaker 2: Everything inside the funeral home looked normal, but in reality,
24:15
Speaker 2: detectives controlled every detail. They'd placed cuffs of water and
24:19
Speaker 2: other drinks where guests could easily reach them. The plan
24:23
Speaker 2: was simple, get John to drink from one of the cops,
24:26
Speaker 2: catch it on video, collect his DNA from the cup,
24:29
Speaker 2: and compare it to the DNA found on Katie's body.
24:32
Speaker 2: On October thirtieth, the day of the funeral, detectives set
24:36
Speaker 2: their plane into motion. But what their cameras are about
24:38
Speaker 2: to capture goes far beyond anything they expect. As John
25:17
Speaker 2: leaves the funeral home, detectives know their planets worked. They
25:21
Speaker 2: quickly returned to retrieve the cup he had drink from
25:24
Speaker 2: and to the hidden camera they placed earlier. When they
25:26
Speaker 2: review the footage, three critical things stand out, all of
25:30
Speaker 2: which will become pivotal to the entire investigation. The first
25:35
Speaker 2: is exactly what they were hoping for. John drinks from
25:38
Speaker 2: one of the cups and leaves it behind, giving detectives
25:41
Speaker 2: the evidence they need to collect his DNA without a
25:44
Speaker 2: warrant and compare it to the samples found on Katie.
25:48
Speaker 2: The second detail is something they never expected. The footage
25:52
Speaker 2: captures John walking up to the casket taking pictures of
25:56
Speaker 2: Katie's body while making unsettling comments. And the third, perhaps
26:01
Speaker 2: most unsettling of all, is that John isn't alone standing
26:06
Speaker 2: beside him is an unidentified young woman who quietly tells
26:10
Speaker 2: him to stop taking pictures, then giggles moments later. Her
26:15
Speaker 2: behavior immediately drew attention, and detectives decided to collect her
26:20
Speaker 2: cup as well for DNA testing, and when they began
26:22
Speaker 2: digging into her identity, they discovered the woman was seventeen
26:27
Speaker 2: year old Hannah Thompson, a friend and more recently, John's
26:32
Speaker 2: new roommate. They also learned that she had once been
26:35
Speaker 2: close friends with Katie. Given her connection to John and
26:39
Speaker 2: Katie and her strange behavior at the funeral, detectives know
26:42
Speaker 2: Hannah isn't just another witness. She might be the key
26:46
Speaker 2: to solving the entire case, and they were dead on
26:52
Speaker 2: at this point. Detectives have interviewed Wayne, John and people
26:56
Speaker 2: from both John and Katie's circle. They also collected crucial
27:00
Speaker 2: evidence and leads, and now believe that Hannah, the seventeen
27:03
Speaker 2: year old who lived with John, could be the key
27:05
Speaker 2: to uncovering the truth about Katie's murder. The next day,
27:09
Speaker 2: on October thirty first, a week after Katie's death, detectives
27:13
Speaker 2: approach Hannah and bring her in for interrogation. If anyone
27:16
Speaker 2: knows what really happened. It's her.
27:20
Speaker 6: What was the last time you saw Katie, like a
27:23
Speaker 6: few months ago?
27:25
Speaker 4: What was your feelings towards her?
27:28
Speaker 8: I mean I always like, I've always seen her as
27:30
Speaker 8: like a friend because, like, I lived with her for
27:32
Speaker 8: a little.
27:33
Speaker 6: Bit, so it's fair to say you were on good
27:36
Speaker 6: terms with her once she was killed. Did you end
27:41
Speaker 6: up going to her visitation Saturday?
27:43
Speaker 13: No?
27:44
Speaker 6: I didn't, so you didn't get to say goodbout to her. Oh, John,
27:51
Speaker 6: I think went there Sunday, Right, you get to go
27:55
Speaker 6: with I went with him. Yeah, I didn't go Saturday because.
28:00
Speaker 17: Her family doesn't really like me. That's a Nicheeienne. Yeah,
28:06
Speaker 17: we were kind of like off and on friends, and
28:09
Speaker 17: I think she might have said something about me that
28:12
Speaker 17: her family didn't really like me.
28:14
Speaker 6: Did So did you go in the room and pay
28:17
Speaker 6: your respects or how did that go?
28:19
Speaker 21: It was hard?
28:20
Speaker 6: It was really hard. How long did you stay in
28:23
Speaker 6: the room with there?
28:23
Speaker 17: Cast It.
28:25
Speaker 15: Like ten minutes, ten to fifteen minutes.
28:30
Speaker 6: What'd y'all talk about?
28:32
Speaker 5: We didn't talk at all.
28:33
Speaker 6: Nothing. We just see Chad like moments. I guess John.
28:38
Speaker 6: Never take your cellphone out and take a picture of her. No,
28:41
Speaker 6: he didn't sure, you can tell me some people do that. Yeah.
28:46
Speaker 14: He never.
28:49
Speaker 2: Watch Hannah's behavior closely. As the questions get more direct,
28:52
Speaker 2: her eyes start darting between the detectives. She fidgets with
28:55
Speaker 2: her hands, picks at her nails, her whole demeanor shifts.
28:58
Speaker 2: It's clear she's getting nervous, and the detectives can see
29:02
Speaker 2: it too.
29:02
Speaker 6: So while you're in that room, you two never talked
29:04
Speaker 6: at all.
29:05
Speaker 13: I kind of rubbed his back a little bit, you know,
29:07
Speaker 13: I told him that it was okay, But other than that,
29:09
Speaker 13: we didn't really talk.
29:12
Speaker 9: Were It's just.
29:15
Speaker 23: Hard I seeing somebody like that.
29:20
Speaker 6: Monday night, at some point before you went out, you
29:22
Speaker 6: guys carried out a bag of trash to your car,
29:25
Speaker 6: for it is car, right, okay, So you don't recall
29:31
Speaker 6: carrying out a trash bag, or you can't cleaned anything
29:33
Speaker 6: up having to put stuff in the trash.
29:39
Speaker 2: On Monday, the day Katie was killed, one of their
29:43
Speaker 2: roommates reported seeing John and Hannah carrying out several bags
29:46
Speaker 2: of trash. At the time, detectives didn't think much of it.
29:51
Speaker 2: It felt like a small, irrelevant detail with nothing to
29:53
Speaker 2: back it up. But now with all this new information
29:56
Speaker 2: coming together, that statement suddenly stood out. It was another
30:00
Speaker 2: piece of the puzzle, something they could finally use to
30:03
Speaker 2: put more pressure on Hannah.
30:06
Speaker 6: Just to understand, we've been working this case steady since
30:10
Speaker 6: she disappeared, So there's a lot of these things that
30:12
Speaker 6: we know the answers to. I can tell you already.
30:15
Speaker 6: You're lying to me. Okay, you do not want to
30:19
Speaker 6: get wrapped up and catching the murder charge. I'm going
30:22
Speaker 6: to tell you that's something at the funeral home. We
30:24
Speaker 6: were there, Okay, there was a camera.
30:27
Speaker 14: In the rim.
30:29
Speaker 6: There was a recorder of the room. We heard everything
30:32
Speaker 6: you guys said. So do you want to go back
30:35
Speaker 6: and rehash that. I don't.
30:40
Speaker 9: It was not.
30:42
Speaker 6: Easy to see her like that.
30:44
Speaker 11: Is that why there's some giggling and stuff. There's not
30:47
Speaker 11: any We've been doing this longer than you've been alive.
30:52
Speaker 11: You know you're not slicker than us. You know you're
30:55
Speaker 11: not gonna out smart us. We we've talked.
30:58
Speaker 6: This is a murder. You understand that.
31:03
Speaker 23: What do you think about somebody that would stab at
31:05
Speaker 23: her own neck to the point where the knife went
31:07
Speaker 23: all the way through to the other side, and then
31:10
Speaker 23: stick her body like a piece of trash in the
31:12
Speaker 23: basement of an abandoned house to sit there for a day.
31:14
Speaker 6: And a half before somebody finds her. Look is right here,
31:20
Speaker 6: as your friend. I don't want to do this anymore.
31:25
Speaker 6: I don't want to do what. I don't want to
31:26
Speaker 6: have to sign out he killed her. All you gonna
31:28
Speaker 6: do is tell the truth.
31:30
Speaker 23: It would be so easy.
31:34
Speaker 3: Can I tell you something to tell the truth?
31:37
Speaker 11: You don't have to try, It just flows, It just
31:40
Speaker 11: comes out.
31:41
Speaker 1: We're also aware of what people have told us about
31:44
Speaker 1: you and Katie, and they're telling us that you didn't
31:47
Speaker 1: like her one bit.
31:49
Speaker 2: Well after me and.
31:52
Speaker 14: John started like getting together, Katie started not liking me.
31:58
Speaker 8: If you know something and you're trying to clever up
32:01
Speaker 8: for it, you're gonna go down with the rest of them.
32:04
Speaker 6: You're going to go down with the person who did
32:06
Speaker 6: this to her.
32:08
Speaker 12: I don't know anything.
32:10
Speaker 2: You don't you do?
32:12
Speaker 17: We really do you do?
32:14
Speaker 6: We know more than you did. I don't want to love.
32:21
Speaker 2: Even after being confronted with the footage and being caught
32:25
Speaker 2: in multiple lies, Hannah refused to give up on any
32:28
Speaker 2: additional details she may withhold. But while none of this
32:32
Speaker 2: gave detectives the definitive proof they needed. John didn't know that,
32:36
Speaker 2: and that uncertainty was exactly what they were counting on.
32:40
Speaker 2: So detectives decide to bring him in again, this time
32:44
Speaker 2: more prepared and ready to push harder than before. They
32:47
Speaker 2: planned to corner him with everything they had, but they'd
32:51
Speaker 2: have to be careful. If they pushed too far without
32:54
Speaker 2: enough to arrest him, it could tip him off, causing
32:57
Speaker 2: him to disappear.
32:58
Speaker 6: We hadn't really had a chance to sit down.
33:00
Speaker 5: I talked to that day that well, we notified you
33:03
Speaker 5: met her death and.
33:04
Speaker 18: Thanks for kind of emotional and everything.
33:06
Speaker 7: So right, So the viewing was Saturday, right right, two
33:10
Speaker 7: or four on Saturday.
33:10
Speaker 15: And one did you get my Sunday Sunday?
33:14
Speaker 6: Okay?
33:15
Speaker 5: They said they just had a private thing for you
33:17
Speaker 5: by yourself.
33:18
Speaker 9: Yeah, well I took kind of moving.
33:20
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was that hard, yeah, because.
33:23
Speaker 7: I mean, first of all, there's nobody there with me
33:26
Speaker 7: and her, so it's just kind of standing there staring
33:28
Speaker 7: at like Katie's nasty, like dirty, disgusting body. I've seen
33:32
Speaker 7: people dead. I fucking dealt this year before, and now
33:35
Speaker 7: there's nobody else there, you know what I mean.
33:38
Speaker 5: That night, somebody says you and Hanmer were putting some
33:41
Speaker 5: trash from a bag, like a trash bag in the
33:43
Speaker 5: back of the breeze.
33:44
Speaker 6: Do you remember doing that?
33:46
Speaker 13: Oh?
33:46
Speaker 20: Yeah, Marley had like the most explosive ship all on
33:51
Speaker 20: the floor and stunk up the whole house. I throw
33:55
Speaker 20: like four towels.
33:57
Speaker 2: This moment reveals Hannah's a lie. She claimed she couldn't
34:01
Speaker 2: remember taking any trash out, yet John's statements confirms otherwise.
34:05
Speaker 2: It's a small clue, but one that'll soon become part
34:09
Speaker 2: of a much bigger picture.
34:11
Speaker 5: So you guys got home around three roughly Brandon and
34:15
Speaker 5: Chrystal there.
34:17
Speaker 23: What happened after that?
34:18
Speaker 20: After you went, we went and met my friend Scott
34:21
Speaker 20: to get some money that he owes me. We'll the
34:25
Speaker 20: op five hundred for one crash online car where.
34:29
Speaker 7: John stylin that does actually he was an army Yeah, yeah,
34:34
Speaker 7: we don't play together.
34:36
Speaker 5: Do you any work before that?
34:39
Speaker 2: This is where John makes his first mistake, mentioning a
34:42
Speaker 2: name detectives have never heard before. Charles Scott, his friend
34:46
Speaker 2: from the military, someone who'd later proved to know far
34:50
Speaker 2: more about the night Katie died than anyone realized.
34:53
Speaker 5: I don't have much you know about cell phones and
34:55
Speaker 5: stuff like that. But as you go around yourself, on's
35:00
Speaker 5: constantly tower searching for signals and stuff like that. So
35:05
Speaker 5: with that said, is there anything going back to last Monday?
35:09
Speaker 5: Is there anything that you've told me that your cell
35:11
Speaker 5: phone records would say otherwise? I believe what if I
35:14
Speaker 5: told you that your cell phone did paying somewhere other than.
35:18
Speaker 7: Where you say you were, then I'd also say her
35:21
Speaker 7: cell phone pinged in West Virginia.
35:24
Speaker 5: Yeah, that ended up being a AT and T mishap.
35:26
Speaker 5: They plugged in the wrong phone number. Yeah, Okay, what
35:33
Speaker 5: if I told you that Charles Scott's phone number pained
35:37
Speaker 5: in the same area that yours did and not around
35:40
Speaker 5: zax Pies when Monday.
35:42
Speaker 7: Night Scott freedom of moving on, we can call him,
35:46
Speaker 7: you know, ask him.
35:47
Speaker 5: So the night this Monday night that we were talking
35:50
Speaker 5: about around six fifteen, sometime around that time frame, can
35:55
Speaker 5: you think of any reason your phone would show that
35:58
Speaker 5: you were in that area of Augusta.
35:59
Speaker 15: Road and why Harsh Road?
36:01
Speaker 5: Is there any reason you and Charles were talking a
36:03
Speaker 5: lot that evening?
36:05
Speaker 7: Yeah, because see that's the night that he was here,
36:08
Speaker 7: That's the night he was available.
36:10
Speaker 5: I'm not looking to offend you but there's questions a
36:13
Speaker 5: week we need to get answered and cleared up.
36:16
Speaker 23: Did Katie have an account of life.
36:17
Speaker 7: In Church's possible through the Mills radio.
36:19
Speaker 9: She's automatican role.
36:20
Speaker 6: Okay, so got my daughter?
36:22
Speaker 5: Would you be willing to take pographs so we can
36:23
Speaker 5: go ahead and do that for you and eliminate you
36:25
Speaker 5: and start looking at about that first.
36:28
Speaker 7: Okay, see what he says, because I don't know about
36:30
Speaker 7: that at all.
36:31
Speaker 2: As the interview ends, detectives have their first real connection
36:34
Speaker 2: between John and Charles. Both of their phones show activity
36:38
Speaker 2: near the area where Katie's body was found. It isn't
36:41
Speaker 2: enough to make an arrest, but it's enough to keep digging,
36:44
Speaker 2: and with a new name now tied to the night
36:46
Speaker 2: of the murder, John can sense it. Detectives are closing in.
36:52
Speaker 2: At this point, the main circle of suspects included Wayne, John, Hannah,
36:57
Speaker 2: and now more recently Charles, not John's friend from the army,
37:02
Speaker 2: but his detective slowly pressed forward. John was growing uneasy
37:07
Speaker 2: for the first time. He was starting to realize his
37:10
Speaker 2: master plan might not hold. That's when on November fourth,
37:15
Speaker 2: eleven days after Katie was killed, detectives received a call
37:19
Speaker 2: that would send the case in a whole new direction. Crystal,
37:22
Speaker 2: who was John's roommate and had been interviewed earlier, came
37:26
Speaker 2: forward with information that changed everything.
37:29
Speaker 6: Thik, Crystal, Hello, how are you?
37:36
Speaker 7: What's been going on since?
37:38
Speaker 3: Oh?
37:38
Speaker 11: I don't know. You got a phone call on Wednesday at.
37:41
Speaker 19: Three point thirty.
37:42
Speaker 6: He called and he said, he said, are y'all at home?
37:45
Speaker 12: And we said no, and he said, okay, all right,
37:47
Speaker 12: bye and then just go up. Well me and running
37:50
Speaker 12: out home about six fifteen, six thirty. And we've seen
37:53
Speaker 12: that in our room. We have, like I said to Halloween,
37:56
Speaker 12: it's just going across the ceiland. That act is right
37:59
Speaker 12: where that light is, and we had the lights. I
38:01
Speaker 12: had the lights going across the attic. Well, when we
38:03
Speaker 12: come back, they were just torn down.
38:06
Speaker 23: We haven't even touched them.
38:07
Speaker 19: They were just ripped out from the addict.
38:09
Speaker 12: And once we figured out he was gone, we went
38:11
Speaker 12: searching through the house, making sure all the windows were
38:13
Speaker 12: locked and covered.
38:14
Speaker 19: And because I've never been in the house alone like
38:17
Speaker 19: that except.
38:17
Speaker 12: For my apartment, but he just he just he was gone,
38:21
Speaker 12: you know, and we couldn't gone them because the cops
38:23
Speaker 12: have his phone.
38:24
Speaker 19: I said, Brandon, I said, we need to go back
38:25
Speaker 19: outside and call the Simpsonville detective Warlock. And I told
38:30
Speaker 19: him what was happening, and he was like, you know.
38:33
Speaker 19: I was like, you know, if you want to come
38:34
Speaker 19: and search the house right now, I'll give you full permission.
38:36
Speaker 19: And he said, well, I can't do that without warrant.
38:39
Speaker 12: And he was like and I was like, well, I mean,
38:40
Speaker 12: there's no way that somebody can come out here and
38:42
Speaker 12: like search the house or anything like that.
38:44
Speaker 6: And he said no.
38:45
Speaker 23: He said, your best.
38:45
Speaker 6: Bet is to go stay the night somewhere else.
38:49
Speaker 19: He was like, because you're possibly living with a murderer.
38:52
Speaker 2: John was gone. His disappearance also meant he abandoned his
38:58
Speaker 2: military service, official classifying him as a deserter. However, as
39:03
Speaker 2: investigators would soon learn, he wasn't alone. He had fled
39:08
Speaker 2: with none other than the seventeen year old girl, Hannah.
39:12
Speaker 2: Thompson and his officers across the state searched every highway,
39:17
Speaker 2: every motel, every possible route out of South Carolina with
39:21
Speaker 2: no sign of either of them. It became clear this
39:24
Speaker 2: wasn't just an investigation anymore. This was a man hunt.
39:31
Speaker 2: In the days that followed, leeds were few. The pair
39:34
Speaker 2: had vanished completely off the grid. A twenty eight year
39:38
Speaker 2: old former army sergeant and a seventeen year old teenager
39:41
Speaker 2: gone without a trace. Then, on November nineteenth, twenty six
39:46
Speaker 2: days after Katie's death, a small breakthrough happened. John's red
39:50
Speaker 2: Yukon was captured on CCTV near Las Cruces, New Mexico,
39:54
Speaker 2: about one thousand, six hundred miles from Simpsonville, South Carolina,
39:58
Speaker 2: where he disappeared, and just two days later, on November
40:02
Speaker 2: twenty first, that same yukon was found abandoned in the
40:05
Speaker 2: mountains of Yumatilla County and Oregon, over one thy four
40:09
Speaker 2: hundred miles away from Las Cruses. Inside the vehicle, investigators
40:14
Speaker 2: found John's laptop, clothes, and camping gear scattered around, suggesting
40:19
Speaker 2: that after the crash, John and Hannah grabbed what they
40:22
Speaker 2: could and ran into the woods. The discovery confirmed what
40:25
Speaker 2: detectives had already feared. John and Hannah were constantly on
40:29
Speaker 2: the move, crossing state lines and staying just far enough
40:32
Speaker 2: ahead of law enforcement to vanish again. Later that same day,
40:36
Speaker 2: authorities issued arrest warrants for both John and Hannah, officially
40:41
Speaker 2: turning the case into a nationwide manhunt. By this point,
40:45
Speaker 2: John and Hannah had already been on the run for
40:48
Speaker 2: over two weeks before any warrants were ever issued, putting
40:51
Speaker 2: them far ahead of law enforcement and nearly impossible to track.
40:55
Speaker 2: But once the warrants went active, detectives finally gained full
40:59
Speaker 2: access to their phones, chat logs, and Internet history, and
41:03
Speaker 2: that's when their worst suspicions were confirmed.
41:09
Speaker 12: I just woke up and I already feel sad again.
41:11
Speaker 12: I feel like you're still talking to Katie.
41:14
Speaker 13: I promise you, I'm not talking to Katie.
41:16
Speaker 6: I will leave you if you talk to her. I
41:18
Speaker 6: swear I know I'm not, and I won't. She's gone.
41:22
Speaker 2: I'm done with her.
41:23
Speaker 4: I promise I'm going through with that thing.
41:26
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be staying with you good.
41:29
Speaker 2: The messages between the two suggest that John had been
41:33
Speaker 2: planning the murder for months prior to it actually happening,
41:36
Speaker 2: and upon searching his Internet history, they found searches like
41:40
Speaker 2: how to make a two way radio or how to
41:43
Speaker 2: sharpen a knife, leaving little to no doubt about his involvement.
41:47
Speaker 2: But with John and Hannah still missing, detectives had little
41:51
Speaker 2: choice but to wait, hoping for the next break that
41:53
Speaker 2: could pull them back on the trail, and that's when
41:56
Speaker 2: On November twenty fifth, twenty one days after John and
42:00
Speaker 2: Hannah's disappearance and over a month after Katie's death, detectives
42:04
Speaker 2: got a call from a South Carolina prison. But the
42:07
Speaker 2: caller wasn't just anyone. The call came from the cellmate
42:12
Speaker 2: of Charles Scott, John's army friend, who was already in
42:15
Speaker 2: custody for an unrelated charge. Charles's phone had pinged near
42:20
Speaker 2: the abandoned house on the day Katie died, and his
42:23
Speaker 2: cellmate was about to provide a lead that could give
42:26
Speaker 2: detectives the breakthrough they desperately needed, with details only the
42:31
Speaker 2: killer could have known.
42:34
Speaker 5: As we're talking today at Charles Scott your home about Yeah, a.
42:40
Speaker 16: Girl help you, A girl wouldn't lay lady named John,
42:45
Speaker 16: don't you know?
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Speaker 9: I nabler in a hundrug out or an.
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Speaker 16: Abandon animate and anima that a new people know who
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Speaker 16: when they cord John o'briender grabbed him and they man
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Speaker 16: had a different location when John.
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Speaker 3: Got her, they could not John sabdau.
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Speaker 16: I don't know how many times John Dad, he didn't
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Speaker 16: say he said he knows he's adage twice, and John
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Speaker 16: mad him averagewye. He actually said he didn't be scaredyly
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Speaker 16: scared Daba at birth. But then Andrew he sad made
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Speaker 16: Hie a little better.
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Speaker 2: William's statements are shocking. His account of what happened closely
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Speaker 2: mirrors the possible events of the night Katie died, and
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Speaker 2: what he says next only grows more disturbing.
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Speaker 16: He did well, this is the second time, but the
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Speaker 16: first time he told him about you know how he
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Speaker 16: could word or because to his wide Now they're gonna
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Speaker 16: talk about done about John trying to help John come
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Speaker 16: on marijuana and John's on drows real bad John grab her.
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Speaker 16: They put her in John Cadhoe red Hodge Joe to scene.
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Speaker 6: So where does they say where they're actually killed her out.
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Speaker 16: The back of the todhe and John taro I hell
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Speaker 16: BENI ill had they DNA?
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Speaker 11: He didn't know? I marvel who include.
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Speaker 9: The interview two A M.
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Speaker 2: Mark's statements put serious allegations on Charles. It wouldn't be
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Speaker 2: anything special as false accusations like this happened when inmates
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Speaker 2: try to get a deal with officers or get their
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Speaker 2: sentence lowered, But in this instance too many details added up,
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Speaker 2: details only the killer or someone heavily involved could have known.
44:32
Speaker 2: One of those was his claim that Charles had lured
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Speaker 2: Katie to a location near the abandoned house. For detectives,
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Speaker 2: this suddenly made sense of why her car had been
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Speaker 2: discovered just a few miles away, abandoned without a struggle.
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Speaker 2: Charles also allegedly told his bunk mate that he and
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Speaker 2: John wrapped Katie in a tarp to move her into
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Speaker 2: the basement. This matched forensics, which had already indicated she'd
44:54
Speaker 2: been moved after death. Now detectives have a chilling theory
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Speaker 2: of how that happened. It there is now a very
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Speaker 2: big chance for the detectives to possibly catch one of
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Speaker 2: Katie's killers, a chance they couldn't afford to waste. So,
45:07
Speaker 2: without hesitation, they brought Charles in, hoping for the biggest
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Speaker 2: breakthrough in the case yet. But detectives knew getting Charles
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Speaker 2: to talk wouldn't be easy. They didn't have enough evidence
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Speaker 2: to pin him down, and they needed something, anything, that
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Speaker 2: could make him slip, So they decided to take an
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Speaker 2: insane risk. They came up with a plan to push
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Speaker 2: him over the edge. They would bluff, pretending that John
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Speaker 2: had already been arrested and was ready to testify against him.
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Speaker 2: If Charles believed it, the pressure might finally make him talk,
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Speaker 2: but if he didn't, detectives would lose their best chance
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Speaker 2: to get the truth.
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Speaker 17: I well, or get away from the polographic that ever since.
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Speaker 11: I want to looking good lawyer, absolutely up to do whatever.
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Speaker 2: Yeah we did.
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Speaker 22: Let me tell you that John was rested in New Jersey.
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Speaker 6: Okay, and he's stang like a bird to the theater. Wait,
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Speaker 6: believe why you do it? I was not there, Oh,
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Speaker 6: good man. One told you that Generald was arrested earlier.
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Speaker 4: Okay than he's talking.
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Speaker 6: What do you think he's saying?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know I've never seen that.
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Speaker 17: Girl did about life?
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Speaker 6: You were both there, No, we was not.
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Speaker 2: As soon as the questioning starts, Charles demands a polygraph,
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Speaker 2: and detectives know exactly what that means. Polygraphs aren't reliable,
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Speaker 2: can be manipulated, and their results can't be used in court.
46:44
Speaker 2: It's an easy way out, simple yes or no questions
46:47
Speaker 2: instead of real confrontation, and before long, his avoidance turns
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Speaker 2: into an act of ignorance.
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Speaker 16: I never seen it early.
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Speaker 15: You knew that he married, and he knew that John
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Speaker 15: had problem.
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Speaker 4: No, I did not long and you told me.
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Speaker 6: You told me it's about the police phone up that
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Speaker 6: John was talking about how she was fucking his career up.
47:06
Speaker 6: That would lie everybody anything like a bird.
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Speaker 15: I've never had no weapon, would not find no finger
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Speaker 15: But it was no weapons that I could Number one.
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Speaker 4: Why is that?
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Speaker 2: Because I wasn't there.
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Speaker 6: I didn't touch no weapon.
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Speaker 16: I never had any.
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Speaker 22: And he said, I'll never find his fingerprints on a
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Speaker 22: weapon that you touched.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, have you ever? Have you ever told anybody that
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Speaker 6: you're involved in this murder?
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Speaker 11: Do I look stupid?
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Speaker 15: Do I look like I would just go inside of
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Speaker 15: a fucking jail because the guy I don't know what
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Speaker 15: they be.
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Speaker 2: Man, I'm a ready come girl.
47:39
Speaker 22: No, it looks like it looks like you were remorseful
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Speaker 22: for your actions. Let me ask you this, where's the
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Speaker 22: phone that you had that you communicated with Katie.
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Speaker 6: Home who's came to go to die?
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Speaker 14: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I never any came with her.
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Speaker 5: Where do you phone the.
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Speaker 15: Phone that was used to communicate.
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Speaker 17: With the girl today that she's murdered?
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Speaker 19: Only phone that I you.
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Speaker 2: In the worst house even after the detective's bluff and
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Speaker 2: revealed the testimony his previous cellmate made about Charles's involvement
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Speaker 2: in the crime. He denied everything. Still, detectives couldn't ignore
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Speaker 2: the phone data placing him near the house or the
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Speaker 2: chilling details from his bunkmate. With no confession, all they
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Speaker 2: could do was wait. Charles's DNA was now added to
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Speaker 2: the samples already being tested against the evidence found beneath
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Speaker 2: Katie's fingernails, and when those results came back, they would
48:32
Speaker 2: finally reveal who was truly involved. Over two weeks have
48:39
Speaker 2: now passed since the last lead on the case. With
48:42
Speaker 2: false leads and missing crucial timelines, it was becoming more
48:46
Speaker 2: and more possible that the real killers of Katie would
48:50
Speaker 2: never be found until the detectives got a call from
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Speaker 2: Hannah's parents with information that could soon result in solving
48:58
Speaker 2: the whole case. Hannah had resurfaced, stating she had been
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Speaker 2: abandoned by John and would soon come back to her hometown,
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Speaker 2: so law enforcement would be there waiting for her. It
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Speaker 2: was now the day when Hannah was supposed to come
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Speaker 2: back to her home. Law enforcement secured all entries to
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Speaker 2: the city, as well as all possible places she could
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Speaker 2: go to, and finally, at nine am, she would be
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Speaker 2: spotted near her family home. From there she would be
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Speaker 2: instantly detained and taken to the police department for interrogation.
49:33
Speaker 2: For the detectives, it was now or never that was
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Speaker 2: their biggest chance of finding out what had really happened
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Speaker 2: and who is truly responsible for Katie's death?
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Speaker 6: What was the game plan?
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Speaker 13: We di blas, I don't think we really have one, right,
49:48
Speaker 13: I guess both of those kind of parents and desry
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Speaker 13: that he wanted to leave like the state, and relied
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Speaker 13: and drew up into the mountains and I just got
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Speaker 13: the car like stuck in and like intrigues like in
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Speaker 13: the mountains, so like like what are we gonna do?
50:10
Speaker 13: He said that we hYP I kind of like stopped
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Speaker 13: and I was crying, And now he's like, I can't.
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Speaker 17: Do it anymore, Like I need to go home, like
50:21
Speaker 17: started like yelling at me.
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Speaker 13: And calling me name and saying that if I left,
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Speaker 13: like you feel like.
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Speaker 17: Then like one morning, like he had gotten up in
50:32
Speaker 17: love and then I I was just like I'm gonna
50:37
Speaker 17: like sit here, Like I got up.
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Speaker 15: And I went to like down the street to like
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Speaker 15: a hotel, started crying, and then I then the message
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Speaker 15: to my mom and.
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Speaker 2: Dad, and I continued describing their time on the run
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Speaker 2: and doing her best to avoid talking about the day
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Speaker 2: of the murder. It went on for nearly two hours,
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Speaker 2: and by then the pressure had clearly worn her down.
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Speaker 2: That's when the detective would start asking her the difficult questions,
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Speaker 2: causing Hannah to break revealing everything she knows.
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Speaker 22: Let's go back to that Monday, okay, because we now
51:13
Speaker 22: have conversations between you and him on Wednesday about he's
51:17
Speaker 22: going to meet up with her E thinking some gears
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Speaker 22: with her with abandoned how and he said he tries
51:22
Speaker 22: to meet up with her, it doesn't work. But then
51:25
Speaker 22: lo and behold she found at that about abandoned house
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Speaker 22: that he.
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Speaker 15: Was about to go meet up with her at Meanwhile,
51:33
Speaker 15: he randomly asked.
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Speaker 17: You to drop her off on woodro Road or drop
51:37
Speaker 17: him off on Woodard Road and doesn't tell you why
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Speaker 17: or anything.
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Speaker 15: Okay, and then tell me what did being plan one?
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Speaker 13: What did he tell you he was older her A word?
51:56
Speaker 15: You drove over that immediately?
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Speaker 6: Did he tell you that it's like.
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Speaker 22: It was mid fault, It's like you did it for me?
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Speaker 16: Is like, what did you say he did?
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Speaker 14: One?
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Speaker 6: He said in holy.
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Speaker 11: Did he know you?
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Speaker 16: Like yelled it really loud?
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Speaker 6: So then he killed her for me?
52:22
Speaker 22: And I was never planned before than to get rid
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Speaker 22: of kitten.
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Speaker 6: No, not from you.
52:28
Speaker 22: But did John ever talk to you about getting rid
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Speaker 22: of kitty?
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Speaker 10: Honestly?
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Speaker 13: What did he tell you about killing Jade?
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Speaker 22: And she chose me?
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Speaker 18: So that was really really like forty under the night broke?
52:45
Speaker 16: He told me something did get broke anyway, the last.
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Speaker 15: Thing she she said about and she said, if he
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Speaker 15: learned she was believed?
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Speaker 13: Where were they hand.
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Speaker 14: The home? And you don't know that the word.
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Speaker 22: Hanna, did you have anything to do? And the reason
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Speaker 22: why I have he this is because we're still living
53:27
Speaker 22: for John. And as much as you think.
53:31
Speaker 15: John cared about you.
53:34
Speaker 22: From outsider's perspective and not knowing you, not being your mom.
53:39
Speaker 16: He doesn't.
53:42
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Hannah's statements proved far less helpful in finding John
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Speaker 2: than the detectives initially hoped for. Although she stated that
53:49
Speaker 2: John confessed to killing Katie and provided some new insights,
53:52
Speaker 2: she didn't know much about Charles's involvement, and while she
53:56
Speaker 2: could be arrested, detectives decided she might prove more useful free.
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Speaker 2: After all, they now had her back in the city
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Speaker 2: and under close watch, which seemed like a small success.
54:06
Speaker 2: What they didn't realize, however, was that this was all
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Speaker 2: part of John's plan, planting Hannah back in the city
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Speaker 2: to infiltrate the case and feed him exactly what detectives knew,
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Speaker 2: keeping him one step ahead for years to come. Almost
54:23
Speaker 2: three months had passed since Katie's body was found in
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Speaker 2: the basement of the abandoned house, and the killer was
54:30
Speaker 2: still out there. But on that particular day, the long
54:34
Speaker 2: awaited DNA results finally came back, and the results of
54:38
Speaker 2: DNA found under Katie's fingernails pointed to no one else
54:43
Speaker 2: but John himself. With the DNA matching to John, Wayne
54:48
Speaker 2: was cleared, but detectives still believed Hannah or Charles might
54:51
Speaker 2: have helped, or at least knew far more than they admitted.
54:55
Speaker 2: Detectives already knew that John was only using cash and
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Speaker 2: most likely fake ID, so all they could do at
55:02
Speaker 2: the moment was wait for John to make a critical
55:05
Speaker 2: mistake that would allow them to catch him. But John
55:09
Speaker 2: was careful, very careful. It had been over seven months
55:16
Speaker 2: since Katie's murder and six months since John went on
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Speaker 2: the run, when on May twenty one, twenty seventeen, investigators
55:24
Speaker 2: received tips and possible sightings of John in Washington, over
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Speaker 2: two seven hundred miles from South Carolina where Katie was
55:32
Speaker 2: found dead, and over three hundred miles away from where
55:35
Speaker 2: his red Yukon was found abandoned. Acting on these leads,
55:40
Speaker 2: they canvassed local businesses and retrieved CCTV footage from a
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Speaker 2: parking lot in Washington where John was captured on camera. Unfortunately,
55:53
Speaker 2: despite getting close, John managed to slip away, vanishing off
55:57
Speaker 2: under the radar once again. For the next year, the
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Speaker 2: investigation hit a standstill. It wasn't until September sixth, twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 2: almost two years since Katie's death, when Hannah finally revealed
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Speaker 2: that John had given her his journal and tools to
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Speaker 2: hide a crucial piece of evidence that would shift the
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Speaker 2: case in a new direction. The journal became a pivotal
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Speaker 2: piece of evidence revealing John's state of mind and his
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Speaker 2: premeditated intentions. It confirms that John's actions were driven by
56:29
Speaker 2: a deep desire to be with Hannah and his willingness
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Speaker 2: to kill Katie to make that happen. During her interview,
56:35
Speaker 2: Hannah admitted she had been John's girlfriend and that she
56:38
Speaker 2: had been in constant contact with him before Katie's death.
56:41
Speaker 2: She also confessed that she had hidden John's journal, which
56:45
Speaker 2: contained disturbing entries about his obsessive thoughts and plans to
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Speaker 2: escape with Hannah. This was the last significant breakthrough with
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Speaker 2: the case. For years. With no new leads, the investigation stalled.
57:01
Speaker 2: Detectives spent the next few years chasing down small tips
57:05
Speaker 2: and piecing together fragments of information, but nothing substantial came
57:10
Speaker 2: of it. The case gradually faded from public attention. Then,
57:15
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, six years after Katie's death, everything
57:21
Speaker 2: is about to change. After over six years of dead ends,
57:26
Speaker 2: US marshals and local law enforcement tracked John down in Oregon.
57:31
Speaker 2: He had erased his past, now living under the alias
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Speaker 2: Ben Kleine. Under his new identity, he had started a
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Speaker 2: fresh life, marrying a new woman and leaving his past behind.
57:44
Speaker 2: The arrest felt surreal. John, who had spent so long
57:48
Speaker 2: evading capture, was now cornered after years of hiding in
57:53
Speaker 2: plain sight. The truth had finally caught up with him,
57:57
Speaker 2: and the case was nearing its resolution. However, the mystery
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Speaker 2: of how Katie was lured to the abandoned house remains
58:05
Speaker 2: unsolved to this day. Her phone was recovered damaged, limiting
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Speaker 2: investigator's ability to access message content and apt based communications,
58:14
Speaker 2: and while rumors suggested Charles Scott might have had contact
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Speaker 2: with her, this was never confirmed. With no physical or
58:22
Speaker 2: forensic evidence tying him to the crime, he was ultimately
58:25
Speaker 2: ruled out as a suspect and never sentenced. In twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty two, during an interview after John's arrest, Hannah revealed
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Speaker 2: for the first time that she and John had been
58:35
Speaker 2: in regular contact throughout the years he was on the run,
58:38
Speaker 2: continuing to text and communicate even after she had returned
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Speaker 2: to South Carolina. This new revelation shed light on her
58:46
Speaker 2: role in helping John evade capture. Finally, on September twentieth,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, John Blauvelt was convicted of Katie's murder
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Speaker 2: and sentenced to life in prison without parole. Hannah Thompson
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Speaker 2: was charged with obstruction of justice and accessory after the fact,
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Speaker 2: receiving a sentence of ten years