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Ep 5: Linda Tellington Jones - TTouch · Live Free Ride Free with Rupert Isaacson

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  Rupert Isaacson: Welcome to Live Free Ride Free, where we talk to people who
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  have lived self-actualized lives on their own terms, and find out how they
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  got there, what they do, how we can get there, what we can learn from them.
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  How to live our best lives, find our own definition of success,
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  and most importantly, find joy.
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  I'm your host, Rupert Isaacson.
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  New York Times bestselling author of the Horse Boy.
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  Founder of New Trails Learning Systems and long ride home.com.
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  You can find details of all our programs and shows on Rupert isaacson.com.
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  welcome back to Live Free, ride Free, where we talk to people who
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  live self-actualized lives and find out how they got there, what they
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  do, what keeps them going, and what their insights are for how the rest
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  of us can, live this way as well.
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  I'm a firm believer that this is the birthright of everybody on the planet.
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  and so the more mentorship all of us get, the better.
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  so without further ado, I'm going to, introduce today's guest.
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  And today's guest is probably, if you were to look up in the dictionary,
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  self-actualized, there'd be a picture of this person or their ought to be anyway,
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  cuz I can't really think of anyone I know, even though I know so many have
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  met, so many privileged to meet so many people living self-actualized lives.
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  but Linda Tellington Jones is as self-actualized as it gets, and you don't
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  have to be a horse person, even though.
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  She is a horse person to know about her.
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  There's many people who know about Tillington Touch, through dogs.
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  There are people who know about Tillington, touch through horses,
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  people who know about Linda Tillington Jones through, healing Techniques.
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  people who just know about her because she's a jolly, jolly interesting, human
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  being alive on planet Earth today.
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  and I've been, grateful and honored to know Linda for well over a decade,
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  and even to work together on occasion.
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  and I've always been, fascinated by the egolessness.
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  that's a, a tough act to follow, Linda, where you're gonna come on in a minute
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  when I say your ego listeners, but I have met a lot of, well-known people and it's
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  not easy to keep the ego out of the way.
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  We're only human.
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  and I've always been, a bit intrigued about how you manage that.
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  So we're gonna, I'm gonna be asking you about that.
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  And then also, if any of you are ever lucky enough to actually
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  be in the same room as an entertaining Jones, here is my tip.
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  Ask her to put her hands on you.
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  Tea touch is not just an idea.
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  It's, it's a real thing.
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  And, I remember the first time, Linda put her hands on me.
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  the reaction was, As powerful as with any shaman in the Kalahari I've
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  ever been with or anything like that.
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  There's something flowing through Linda Tillington Jones.
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  but it also flows through in a way that she can impart this knowledge to other
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  people and has been doing this for about 30 years or more, 40 probably.
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  And so anyway, I've blabbered enough.
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  I'm just begging you up, Linda, because you are big.
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  How come one not big you up.
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  So here we are, Linda.
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  Thank you so much for coming on the show.
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  Linda TJ: Well, it's my pleasure and I'm very excited when you say
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  there's something in my hands, I tell you what's in my hands.
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  That's in all of your, potentially in every, the hands on, every person on this
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  planet is the realization that this, that this bodies that we have, we are miracles.
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  Rupert, and I say this because I the realization that, wait a minute, do
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  you know how your blood flows, what it is that makes your blood flow,
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  how you can move your arm, why your lymph works, why the hormones work?
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  We are living miracles.
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  And it's so interesting because I, I'd like to tell you my story and maybe
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  it will be inspiring to some of your listeners who realize paying attention
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  to the what comes to us outta the blue, so to speak, intuitively from.
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  The, as I see it today, the quantum field there for everyone.
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  So you want to know how I started on this path?
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  First of all, it's I keep this little box for a reminder of what started me
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  on this path that I'm on right now.
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  And this, I'm gonna take this outta here and show it to you.
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  I've kept it over all these years and I, for my 30th birthday,
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  I'm now eight coming up to 86.
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  I'm 85, it's here.
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  And I saw an advertisement in the San Francisco Chronicle that said for $5 you
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  can get, one of the first astrological charts done on a computer and.
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  It was my understanding that that particular computer was in
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  Stanford research in, in Stanford basement, university basement.
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  I don't know if that's true, but that's the story that I've been
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  telling myself all these years.
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  So I sent my $5 and I got this little book and it says, your portrait in the stars,
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  an astrological psychoanalysis of you.
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  And it's all this beautiful little book coming.
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  I say Beautiful, carefully done.
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  Like with a ribbon tied hole punch.
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  Remember how we did these mimeograph things?
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  I mean, it's so interesting.
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  And this is 98 pages.
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  And what I got from those pages has, has directed my life.
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  It's that in your lifetime you will f you will develop a form of communication
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  that will spread around the world.
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  Huh, interesting.
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  And in order to do so, you must learn to trust your intuition.
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  Huh.
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  It's interesting that I.
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  Read that.
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  That's only two sentences in that, all of those pages.
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  But that's what I take away with me and that's what I've carried
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  with me over all these years.
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  And so of course my question is, first of all, what communication?
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  I was thinking it was just the year it, within the time when we were starting
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  to get videos and I thought maybe it's a way of getting my workout through video.
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  And then I thought, okay, intuition.
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  And my first husband went to West Ellington, bless his soul because
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  I wouldn't be here without him.
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  he was really into science and spirituality and we had a big library
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  and I just went to the library and reached up and picked out a book,
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  not, I didn't know what it was.
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  I pulled it out and it happened to be a Rosa Crucian book.
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  And I opened it and I looked up the definition of intuition
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  and it was unlearned knowledge.
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  Today, Rupert, I know thanks to quantum science, that unlearn
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  knowledge is available without the library to all of us.
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  We just have to listen and it's all here.
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  Every thought that was ever thought is here in the quantum field, and
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  we just have to listen and trust.
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  So what has led me and you, I want you to interrupt me at any time because,
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  Rupert Isaacson: I do have two questions.
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  Okay.
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  Go.
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  Question number one, how old were you when you, answered this
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  ad in San Francisco Chronicle
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  Linda TJ: third.
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  That was for my 30th birthday.
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  I gift your 30th
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  Rupert Isaacson: birthday Okay.
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  For my 30th birthday.
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  Second question, have you spoken to anybody else who got, who, who did
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  a similar, astrological portrait?
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  It would be interesting to know what was said to them.
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  I mean, that's in the church.
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  Yeah.
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  The third question is what was the work that you were
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  considering videoing at that time?
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  What year are we talking here?
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  Linda TJ: we're talking 1967 and I had a international school writing
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  school for instructors, Pacific Coast Equestrian Research Farm and School of
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  Horseman Chip at Badger, California.
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  We had students who came to us from, 36 states and eight and
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  nine countries around the world.
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  So
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  Rupert Isaacson: back up.
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  Long before you get this thing for your 30th birthday.
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  30 is a young age to be running, a riding and horsemanship academy that's
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  international with international clients coming in As someone who's run such
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  things myself, I know what's entailed and I don't think I could have done it
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  Linda TJ: at 30.
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  Well, I couldn't either.
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  I was the riding teacher with my husband went for Killington, who
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  was 20 years older than I, and who had, you know, he'd gone to Ann over
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  and and and he was a horseman too.
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  He was also a horseman.
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  And I have a, a, an a beautiful picture of him riding and jumping,
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  which I just came about, on.
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  And then I realized it's in this book Strike.
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  A long to trot, legendary horsewoman, Linda Teton Jones.
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  It's the story of my school written by Shannon Weel, who was
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  a student in 1967 for a year.
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  And she and I have stayed in touch all these years.
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  She's an amazing human being today in her own Rio.
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  Rupert Isaacson: So what work were you doing at this writing
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  academy that you wanted to bring out to the world at that point?
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  What was different about that than any other writing school, even if it
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  was a very high level writing school?
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  What stood out?
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  What made you think this is something we need to communicate?
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  Because
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  Linda TJ: we had a way of teaching writing that was logical.
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  So we had 30 points of the balance sheet.
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  And you see, Rupert, we, in order to come to our school, you had to
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  have 10 years of writing experience.
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  And they came from all over the country and they came with many
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  different styles of writing.
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  And our writing was based on the US cavalry.
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  American style of balance seat riding.
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  And so rather than our, and I, I know this was the influence of
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  both my parents and of my husband.
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  And then as, rather than make people wrong and saying, you're
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  doing it wrong, we showed what we wanted instead of making them wrong.
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  Because some people came from saddle feet riding.
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  You know, they came from the jumping world.
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  They came from dressage, they came from, in those days for many different styles.
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  And in the country, like western riding was different on the East Coast or Texas.
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  And rather than say, you're not, this is not the way we want you to ride.
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  We, we gave them this choice.
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  This is a way of you, all you have to do is change your saddle and the
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  length of stir up and you can go into these different seats that you want and
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  understand what seat it is that you're actually wanting to do for this purpose.
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  Because of course, we also did a hundred mile endurance riding.
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  So you have a different seat for a jumper dressage.
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  And that's what we taught.
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  It was a, thanks to my husband Wentworth.
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  Tellington.
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  It was a logical way of riding.
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  Rupert Isaacson: So would you say that you were teaching, you were taking
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  these writers from all these disciplines with all these different seats?
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  And by the way, for those listeners who are not, horse people, the seat
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  is your point of balance on the horse.
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  And it's not just your us it's, it goes from your mid thigh up to
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  sort of just below your ribcage.
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  Really.
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  It's all the, everything that's.
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  Keeps you in balance on the horse.
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  But because there are all these separate disciplines of riding
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  that are really quite radically different, there are radically
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  different ways of sitting the horse.
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  And each one of them is, is correct in its own discipline, but many
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  people do not cross disciplines.
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  So my question is, were you guys coming up with a sort of a, a neutral on the gear
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  stick saying, okay, you've got all these different gears you can ride in, but you
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  need to come back to n on the, on the gear stick or so, so that you can be versatile
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  and branch out into all these things?
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  Or will you stick something different?
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  Linda TJ: Well, depending upon who, what, who your student was, what, what the breed
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  of horse was, what the competition was.
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  Okay.
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  Western English, they had to, in order to graduate, they had to,
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  compete in a western pleasure class.
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  They had to ride a 50 mile endurance ride successfully.
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  They had to, compete in dressage and in jumping.
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  It was, and that means you had to know how to teach that those different styles
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  successfully, depending upon which part of the country you were in or world.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
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  And then what, when these people graduated from your school at that
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  point in your life, what did they, what advantage did they have professionally?
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  Did they have some sort of accredited, qualification that helped them get
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  better paying jobs in the horse industry?
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  Or what was, what was the incentive?
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  Or was it just pure personal development?
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  Linda TJ: Well, first of all, it was the intent for those who wanted to
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  be writing instructors or trainers to turn out people who knew how to dress.
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  And we had a dress code, so you had to come to dinner in a dress.
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  And I will tell you the first, even me,
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  Rupert Isaacson: would you have found
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  Linda TJ: a dress?
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  Not the guys, no, only the women.
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  And that was a real hazard for some woman.
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  The first year we put that out, one woman didn't come to dinner for, I don't
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  know, it was probably, possibly a week.
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  She wanted to eat in a room because she'd never worn a skirt.
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  A little interesting.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Why did you have this dress code?
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  What was, what was the, what was the objective with that?
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  Linda TJ: Well, that was the objective, to turn out people
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  who had a, a level of respect.
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  And, not just come to dinner in your barn clothes, because we had candlelight
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  dinners and my husband, Wentworth played the classical grand piano.
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  And we had a, we have very large grand piano in our dining room.
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  And one of the things we did, Ruby, in our school, do you remember, there are
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  many famous teachers who are famous because they throw rocks at their
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  students, or they yell and scream at them.
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  What we wanted to do was teach respect, respect for the horse, and respect for
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  yourself and respect for other people.
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  So riding was not done from the p I mean, teaching was not done from the
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  point of view of making someone wrong.
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  It was, how can we make them right?
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  How can we acknowledge that they're doing the best they can?
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  And how can we, with logic, show them how to come to these places of balance
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  and understand what they're doing?
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  Rupert Isaacson: So when people, graduated from your.
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  Program, what did they go on to do?
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  What was to them was the objective of
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  Linda TJ: coming?
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  Well, actually, there, there were, I think, two objectives.
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  One, I would say to people, the horse world is a very hard business.
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  If you love horses, come and spend a year with us.
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  Learn, do the, you know, really learn how to ride, and if you wanna show,
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  you'll know how to be successful and ch and go to university and choose
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  a career that will make you enough money that you can afford to have your
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  horses and not have them as a business.
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  But for those who did want to go on and teach, I have in the back of this book
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  are some of our successful teachers.
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  And, it's really lovely to hear from some of 'em who went on and
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  ran very big writing programs.
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  And,
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  Rupert Isaacson: So you also taught them how to run a business and make
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  it work for themselves professionally, not just, here's the technique,
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  here's how to be a good technician.
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  Linda TJ: That's right.
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  Okay.
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  And also, like every fri we had during the day, they would get up
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  in the morning, each person had two horses to look after in this table.
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  And, then we would have breakfast and have two hours of
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  writing lessons in the morning.
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  And then you'd have in the afternoon they had a, a study period and, and
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  other free writing if they wanted.
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  Okay.
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  And then in, we had dinner, dressed for dinner, and then after dinner
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  there was a study period and every Friday there was a two hour test
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  on everything to do with horses.
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  And we still have those tests and they're really interesting to look at them today.
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  I couldn't pass it today.
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  I have forgotten so much stuff.
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  Oh my God.
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  So it's really, it was, it was an incredible school.
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  Rupert Isaacson: So let's just back up a bit, because you are already
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  here in mid-career, and now, and after running this school, you
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  decide, okay, we've got something really good to communicate, about
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  horses and horsemanship to the world.
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  But your story starts way before that.
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  So let's back up.
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  Where are you born and when?
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  Linda TJ: I was born in 19, 37 in Edmonton, Alberta at 7 39 in the morning.
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  It's actually on my astrological chart here.
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  I have three grand tris in my chart.
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  Pretty interesting.
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  What
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  Rupert Isaacson: are those?
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  For those of us who are not as, as,
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  Linda TJ: I don't, I dunno how to describe it.
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  Every astrologer who looks at the thing says, oh my God,
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  you've got three grand prize.
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  I don't know what that means.
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  Okay.
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  Rupert Isaacson: It means, it means, look out world.
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  Okay.
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  and your are born in Edmonton.
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  Are your parents horsey?
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  What are your, who, what are you, your parents?
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  Linda TJ: Oh, my parents are so incredible and I, I wish I'd have
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  could pull up quickly screen share with you, some pictures here because,
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  I had to ride to school, Robert, for the first six years of my life.
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  When I was six years old, we lived, my dad, had gone to hel help my grandfather.
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  Well, first of all, when I was, we lived in Edmonton, and then when I was three,
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  we moved to Yellowknife in the Northwest Territory for my dad to help my mother's
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  dad with a gold mine that he had.
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  Ah, so I, one of the first pictures that I have with me is, with me, with
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  a baby bear lying on my aunts lap.
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  And I'm standing there with my fingers in the, in the, on the ear of the bear.
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  And it's so interesting, there's a German, a German saying in German says, so began
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  the master because Eti touch is one of the big things that we do to gain trust.
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  And, and so here I am with my f my little tiny fingers.
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  I was 11 months old standing there with my fingers on the baby bear's ear.
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  And my, my, my, my father had rescued that bear because the mother had been
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  shot and the bear was left alone.
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  So we raised it and then, I mean, they raised it, but
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  rescued it and then released it.
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  So that was my first introduction to that.
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  So then we moved to, to ed, back to, my, my father working with my.
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  Let's see, with his father James Hood and on his wheat and pig farm,
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  because it was during the war and there was a big war effort, you know,
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  f to raise food for the war effort.
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  And so at six years old, the school that I would go to would a with a one room
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  schoolhouse and, you know, six rows.
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  And, I was a long walk for a six year old.
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  So I, with my cousins, rode our horses to school.
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  So my dad took me to a riding stable.
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  I remember this part, and the guy brought out a horse and I got on the horses
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  back and that nobody told me what to do.
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  And the horse immediately took me back into the barn at the walk, fortunately.
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  And so my dad bought this horse named Trixie, and we have some
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  really, some very nice looking mayor.
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  And, I rode at a school, and you're going to get a giggle out of this.
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  One day I was late and my cousins didn't wait for me.
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  They were like a eighth of a mile up the road on the way to school.
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  So, I headed out and when I got to the gate, my horse wouldn't go
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  because she was, had to go alone.
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  And I gave her a whack with the reins and she immediately turned
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  and dumped me on the ground.
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  I say that I'm shorter than my sister Robin, because I landed on my head.
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  So anyway, I led her home.
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  I remember what I remember is marching home, putting her in the stable,
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  walking to the house, getting a clothes pin from my mother's clothes basket,
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  walking to the barn and clipping the clothes pin on her ears to show
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  her that she couldn't do that to me.
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  Isn't that funniest thing?
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  So we say that's the first ear t touch
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  Rupert Isaacson: that was a closed pin in your ear,
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  Linda TJ: A closed spin.
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  Like I'm sure
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  Rupert Isaacson: she And what did
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  Linda TJ: she think of that?
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  I didn't ask her.
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  I thought she thought, wow, this kid really lost it.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Did you then remount her and write to school or were you just
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  Linda TJ: making I don't remember.
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  Okay.
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  I'm sure I didn't because I couldn't have.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
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  So at what point do you go from just purely, functional transport based horse,
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  you know, riding to discovering you are gonna be doing this, as a vocation?
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  How, how does this play out in your childhood and adolescence?
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  Linda TJ: Well, it's quite interesting because, when I was nine, my dad
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  moved to, we moved to the outskirts of Edmonton, Alberta, which was the capital
• 21:09
  of Alberta, and he had, Rented a farm from my uncle Alf and, for a dairy farm.
• 21:18
  And so on the way we drove by a riding stable, which was just a couple of miles
• 21:24
  from where, from the farm, the dairy farm.
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  And, as we drove by, there was a quadri of horses in a big arena practicing.
• 21:34
  And I asked my dad if I could take lessons because I'd never had a left name.
• 21:39
  No one had ever showed me what to do with horses.
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  I've been riding every day for three years.
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  So, he said, yes, if you can get a job.
• 21:46
  So the next Saturday, he dropped me off at the gate and I marched in and I asked Mrs.
• 21:52
  Metall, you know, I said who I was, and I asked if I could
• 21:56
  trade lessons for, working.
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  I thought I would be cleaning stalls or equipment or something.
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  And so she asked me about, you know, did I ride?
• 22:05
  And I told her, and then she put me, she had really, really good horses
• 22:09
  and some lovely ponies for kids.
• 22:12
  And besides, so she put me on a pony.
• 22:16
  And then on a horse, and she saw that I could ride and I never cleaned a stall.
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  I was one of those kids that just got to ride.
• 22:24
  So I would go home, like I'd ride to school, I'd ride home, and then I'd
• 22:30
  ride in the other direction to, to the stable every day, rain or shine or snow.
• 22:37
  And then I would ride two or three horses and every Tuesday, Mrs.
• 22:41
  Meall would have us in for dinner, the students who were really active.
• 22:47
  And we would have lessons on, you know, bits and, and ailments
• 22:53
  and illnesses and feeding.
• 22:55
  She had an amazing feeding program with so many huge bins of herbs.
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  And it was a really incredible background that I had from this woman.
• 23:06
  She was well known and, and she had many good show horses and
• 23:10
  many clients with show horses.
• 23:12
  So you've got a question, so,
• 23:14
  Rupert Isaacson: well you said herbs and you, you are talking now in the forties.
• 23:17
  People feeling herbs to horses.
• 23:19
  I know having grown up in Lestershire in the UK and horse country, that
• 23:24
  there were certain old school horse people who knew the herbs, but most
• 23:27
  people, by the time I, arrived on the horse scene, it was largely forgotten.
• 23:32
  And people even, and the, you know, small family feed.
• 23:35
  Mills.
• 23:36
  That one used to put together one zone 14 that was there when I was a small
• 23:40
  boy, but that had basically gone by the time my adolescence hit and everything
• 23:44
  was mass produced at that point.
• 23:46
  Tell me about the herbs and tell me about, cuz I know this is gonna, this,
• 23:50
  this must have, informed to some degree your, later career in holistic healing.
• 23:56
  So te tell me about the, her use of herbs and what did you pick up from this?
• 24:01
  Linda TJ: Well, what I picked up is that she really knew what she
• 24:04
  was doing, and that's something that she did not teach us.
• 24:08
  But where I picked it up from your country, where you come
• 24:11
  from is the Hilton herbs.
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  Because as soon as, first of all at our research farm, Wentworth was, and we
• 24:19
  have these wonderful pictures because we had a newsletter that went out to
• 24:23
  20 countries of the, from the research farm, and he was drying, th kelp a
• 24:30
  certain form of sea kelp drying it and then free feeding it to our horses.
• 24:36
  And then he also developed a form of what he called vitamins and mineral mix
• 24:42
  that he brewed from all kinds of stuff.
• 24:45
  It was amazing and we sold that all over.
• 24:48
  And the seek kelp was, when you look at now, seek kelp is a really great
• 24:53
  product that's out there, but we, yeah.
• 24:55
  Not fashionable.
• 24:56
  Yeah.
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  We were the first, we being my husband, Wentworth was the first
• 25:01
  to bring that up at our research
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  Rupert Isaacson: firm.
• 25:04
  Okay.
• 25:04
  I'm gonna, we're gonna get back to Wentworth and your research
• 25:06
  farm in a minute, but I still feel we got a few years to cover.
• 25:10
  So there you are, you're riding your, you you're riding to school, you're riding
• 25:12
  home, you're riding to the stables, you're starting to ride horses professionally.
• 25:16
  Now as a, as a pre-adolescent.
• 25:19
  What happens then?
• 25:21
  How do you, and you're still way up in northern Canada.
• 25:23
  You're a long way from California.
• 25:25
  You're a long way from this international career that you've had for the
• 25:29
  last, you know, 45 or more years.
• 25:32
  How does that evolve?
• 25:33
  How do you drift self and into this cosmopolitan world?
• 25:38
  Linda TJ: Well, let's see where, well, first of all, one of the things that
• 25:44
  people marvel at is that the fact that I'm willing at ecu, I don't know, perhaps
• 25:50
  you'll see me get on many different horses that I've never seen before and take the
• 25:54
  bridal off and ride them with no bridal.
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  Rupert Isaacson: I will, let me just jump in there.
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  Okay.
• 26:00
  Please.
• 26:01
  Just for the, just for the listeners.
• 26:02
  All right.
• 26:03
  So if the listeners who, dunno what e quana is.
• 26:04
  E quana is the German trade fair.
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  For the horse industry that happens every couple of years,
• 26:10
  in essence, world's largest.
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  It's, it's, it's, it's a monster.
• 26:13
  It's, it's huge.
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  If, if you think horses are a fringe thing, think again.
• 26:18
  If you think, think like Frankfurt book Fair as Frank
• 26:20
  Foot book fair is for publishing.
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  This is for the horse industry in it's international, global.
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  That's the first thing that's a big deal.
• 26:27
  And Linda's always that.
• 26:28
  But the second thing is she says, oh yes, I, I just hop on up on people's
• 26:31
  horses and, bridal us and so on.
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  I will attest to this.
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  I was, I dunno if you remember this, Linda.
• 26:38
  We were, me and Liliana were helping you at one of your,
• 26:41
  workshops in Texas a few years ago.
• 26:44
  And if you, I dunno if you remember, a really, really strong, northern
• 26:48
  came in, which is a, a, a weather front where the winds gust up to,
• 26:53
  you know, 60 miles an hour or more, and the temperature goes down, you
• 26:57
  know, 30, 40 degrees in half an hour.
• 26:58
  It's a Texas winter phenomenon.
• 27:00
  And it goes from sort of subtropical to subar really fast and it tends
• 27:04
  to send horses absolutely nuts.
• 27:06
  And there was this, very, very, very flighty, Egyptian Arab mayor
• 27:12
  who was there, not human but horse.
• 27:14
  And for those in the horse world, they know that's a, you know,
• 27:17
  at, at, at best, it can be a somewhat dangerous horse to get on.
• 27:21
  This horse was going a little bit nuts.
• 27:22
  The owner couldn't really control it and we thought, oh, well, I'm
• 27:26
  sure Linda would probably just take that one out to go back to the box.
• 27:30
  No, Linda aged.
• 27:32
  Probably at that point, 78 or so, just gets on, just gets on in this highway
• 27:38
  in with this horse who's clearly losing it and the horse ceases to lose it.
• 27:44
  And I remember my wife IA and I look at each other going,
• 27:49
  oh, that's a horse woman.
• 27:51
  Okay.
• 27:52
  So that's, that's, it's not something that's, for those of you who are not
• 27:55
  horsey, that's not something people do.
• 27:58
  Not if you wanna stay outta hospital.
• 28:00
  So, okay, we rewind.
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  I just need to, so you're saying, okay, people often remark on the fact
• 28:08
  that it's remarkable that you get up on these horses without a bridal.
• 28:10
  Yes, it is true.
• 28:12
  Go on.
• 28:13
  Linda TJ: So my background for that is this stable Mrs.
• 28:16
  Alice Metall because she had many people with really beautiful horses,
• 28:22
  but they didn't have the confidence to show on the Edmonton Spring Horse Show.
• 28:26
  And the Edmonton Spring horse show was like Madison Square Gardens.
• 28:29
  Okay.
• 28:29
  It started on a SAT one Saturday and went every day from eight in the
• 28:34
  morning till 11 at night with classes.
• 28:37
  And in those days we had horses like, oh, it wasn't unusual to
• 28:40
  have 40 horses in a pleasure class.
• 28:43
  And of course that many in jumping and all that.
• 28:46
  So, it was my job because I was a kid who was there every day riding
• 28:50
  like two or three horses after school.
• 28:53
  In no arenas, you all, I mean, you had to be, you know, I've been described as
• 28:59
  tough as a boiled owl, and I think that comes from riding in the dark in the snow.
• 29:05
  We had a few lights out there, but it was not pleasant, but it was really an amazing
• 29:11
  thing riding the, all these different horses from other, from, from the Metall
• 29:16
  cl group of horses and from from clients.
• 29:20
  And so I would, they'd take a horse to a horse show and I would have
• 29:24
  10 minutes to get on that horse and get it ready to go in the class.
• 29:29
  And I won way more than my share.
• 29:30
  And I know why, Rupert, I didn't go into win when I got on that horse, my
• 29:36
  message to the horse and I realized today we can talk about energy
• 29:41
  because we know what energy is, and I wanna talk about that in a minute.
• 29:45
  But I would give the horse the impression, what can we do together in this time that
• 29:50
  we have that will make you, give you as much joy as I am having of being with you?
• 29:56
  That was my, that
• 29:58
  Rupert Isaacson: was just repeat that, that, that's a really, that's
• 30:00
  a, not that I just did a double take.
• 30:03
  Repeat that.
• 30:03
  Your message to the horse.
• 30:05
  Linda TJ: That I, I wanted this horse to know, I wanted the horse to have as good a
• 30:09
  time with me, whatever we were going to do together as I would have with that horse.
• 30:14
  So it wasn't about me.
• 30:15
  That's where the eagerness comes in.
• 30:17
  And I, that's a practice, Rupert.
• 30:20
  It's not that I get on, I'm gonna show this horse what to do.
• 30:22
  No, we're going to go in and do something here together in this group of horses.
• 30:26
  And my mother was very important because my mother would sit on the
• 30:31
  edge of the arena, and I remember her like, almost every time I
• 30:35
  come around smile, dear smile.
• 30:39
  And she had no idea that when you smile, when you are on a horse or anytime you
• 30:46
  smile, you activate the feel good hormone.
• 30:48
  The serotonin, the horse feels that, that's been shown through these, you know,
• 30:53
  these, these, the, this research that's been done with the mirror neurons, how
• 30:58
  we mirror this feeling and it activates that part of the brain that feels good.
• 31:04
  So the horse feels good too.
• 31:06
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, absolutely.
• 31:07
  That's, it's actually my standard go-to when I get on a
• 31:09
  young horse that I'm afraid of.
• 31:11
  Cause I secretly am quite afraid, quite often when I get
• 31:14
  on client's horses, I do that.
• 31:15
  I plaster this big old grin on my face and it works.
• 31:19
  I'm like, suddenly my body relaxes.
• 31:20
  And the horse is like, oh, this isn't so bad.
• 31:22
  And I'm like, exactly.
• 31:23
  And then, and then it isn't.
• 31:25
  Absolutely.
• 31:25
  But where did you get this from?
• 31:27
  So th this inner message that you're saying to the horse, Let this be as joyful
• 31:32
  for you as I would like it to be for me.
• 31:35
  Was that a decision, was that something you'd overheard?
• 31:37
  Was that part of some system of ethics that was, talked about by a
• 31:40
  mentor or someone you looked up to?
• 31:42
  Or was that something more intuitive and innate, or was it some combo?
• 31:46
  Linda TJ: What comes to my mind when you ask me that question is my, my
• 31:50
  great-uncle standing with me in the stable when I was wor I, I was given a book
• 32:00
  when, so first of all, go back to Mrs.
• 32:03
  Meall and the way she started horses was in the round pen, bucking them
• 32:07
  out, and she had so many injuries and she'd been, had so many broken bones
• 32:13
  because the horse, they had like an eight foot high round pants, small,
• 32:18
  and she just saddled the horse, get on it and bucket, bucket out, right.
• 32:22
  So she was hurt a lot of times.
• 32:24
  And one day I was riding home from a stable and an old man walked out
• 32:31
  on with a cane and a book in his hand and he said his, his, porch.
• 32:37
  Gave him a view of the, the riding arena right behind him and the round band.
• 32:43
  And he said he had seen me riding by everyday rain, snow, or shine.
• 32:48
  And he wanted me to have this book and it was a book written by an
• 32:52
  America cavalry officer on how to start young horses without bucking.
• 32:57
  And so I took that home and my parents were boarding a 16 hand
• 33:03
  two year old thoroughbred that belonged to one of our friends.
• 33:07
  And, they allo said that I could start this horse under saddle.
• 33:11
  So I just took the book and I went through all the steps of ground driving.
• 33:17
  How old were you at this point?
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  I was 11 or 12.
• 33:23
  And it was really easy to follow it.
• 33:25
  And she never boxed and was never afraid.
• 33:28
  And it was an easy process and that's the basis now.
• 33:32
  I remember my grandfather in the stable and we had adapted one, one end of
• 33:39
  the barn that had been a cow stable.
• 33:41
  We made big box stalls and I remember him putting his hand on
• 33:46
  the horse's neck and saying to me, you know, whenever you connect with
• 33:51
  a horse, connect with your heart.
• 33:53
  Connect with kindness.
• 33:55
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay, so this came from within, from a family member,
• 33:59
  Linda TJ: right?
• 34:00
  Yep.
• 34:03
  Rupert Isaacson: What was his story?
• 34:04
  How did he, how did he come by this?
• 34:07
  Linda TJ: Well, this is really, I wish that I have been prepared.
• 34:10
  I should pull together some pictures.
• 34:12
  That'd be really fun to see it.
• 34:14
  My grandfather Will, Kaywood was, an American jockey and quite well known.
• 34:22
  We have, we have our mother's side or father's side?
• 34:25
  Mother's.
• 34:26
  Mother's side.
• 34:26
  Kaywood.
• 34:27
  Rupert Isaacson: The horses were in the family?
• 34:29
  Linda TJ: Yes.
• 34:30
  Both sides.
• 34:31
  Okay.
• 34:31
  Both sides.
• 34:34
  So I wanna tell you that, so my, my grandfather Will Kaywood had been
• 34:40
  approached by an Austrian count, through an agent to be, to go to Moscow in
• 34:47
  Russia from, from, this is from the us and ride the horses of this Austrian who
• 34:54
  sent the horses from Vienna to Moscow.
• 34:58
  And then, so my grandfather rode them in 1905.
• 35:01
  He went there and rode them.
• 35:05
  And, and he liked it so much in Russia.
• 35:08
  He decided to stay on and become a trainer.
• 35:11
  And so in 1905, he won the prestigious, sorry, Nicholas ii.
• 35:17
  It was a, it was a Jeweled Kane for the most winners of the
• 35:23
  season and with 87 winners.
• 35:27
  And he said he attributed because he came to, actually, this is
• 35:33
  a whole kind of call, difficult story because I never met him.
• 35:37
  It was my great uncle, his brother I met and they were in business, in horses.
• 35:42
  And I have a painting that I've now given to my niece, Mandy.
• 35:46
  I have a horse named Illa that they imported.
• 35:49
  And this horse, was very successful and they, the Johnie did this painting.
• 35:55
  But my grandfather said that his success was because he never entered a horse
• 36:01
  in a race in this, it told him he was, it was feeling fit enough to win.
• 36:06
  And the second thing is every horse was rubbed with these short little
• 36:11
  strokes over every inch of the body for 30 minutes by the grooms.
• 36:15
  And he learned that from a Russian gypsy named Orloff.
• 36:19
  Because in still today in Russia, it's the gypsies that handle
• 36:24
  all the horses on the racetrack.
• 36:26
  And I got to meet them when I was there as a citizen.
• 36:29
  Diplomat.
• 36:30
  Diplomat.
• 36:31
  Rupert Isaacson: So did you, did you notice, now we're jumping
• 36:34
  ahead, but did you notice when you did go, and meet these grooms on
• 36:37
  the, Russian race track, did you, n did you see a similarity between
• 36:41
  the way they were touching the horse
• 36:43
  Linda TJ: and Teta?
• 36:43
  I didn't, I didn't see them actually touching the horse.
• 36:46
  I was with the directors and stuff, intro, introducing myself and,
• 36:51
  and the work that I was doing.
• 36:52
  So I didn't get them actually see them working on horses.
• 36:55
  But there is a
• 36:55
  Rupert Isaacson: chance that there could be a, some sort of connection to what
• 36:59
  your great-uncle learned out there, which then begs the question, and it, this, we
• 37:06
  can throw this one out to the ether, but it begs the question, do you think that
• 37:12
  if Te Touch has partially its origins in what you witnessed from your great-uncle,
• 37:19
  from what he learned in Russia from these Russian gypsies who were probably also
• 37:25
  of Cosack and central Asian, ancestry, do you think that this way of touching
• 37:32
  horses could possibly go back to the origins of riding and training horses?
• 37:38
  Because we all know that it comes out of that area where Russia,
• 37:42
  Ukraine, meets the sort of Black Sea, Caspian Sea, that step there,
• 37:48
  the origin of the modern thoroughbred, we know that comes from there.
• 37:50
  Do you think that.
• 37:52
  Something in Tea Touch could possibly go back 4,000 years to those first
• 37:57
  people learning how to, I, I have domesticate those riding horses.
• 38:01
  Linda TJ: I have no question about it.
• 38:02
  I think it comes from the Mongols I come, I think it comes way before that
• 38:07
  because, because of the, when we get to that part of the story, because
• 38:10
  what I brought in was a circular touch.
• 38:13
  Mm-hmm.
• 38:14
  There's nothing new in the universe.
• 38:16
  I just pulled that out of the quantum field, I'm sure.
• 38:19
  And when you hear the story of how it came, you think
• 38:22
  you'll think the same thing.
• 38:24
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 38:25
  Okay.
• 38:25
  So there you are, you're riding horses in successfully in the Edmonton show.
• 38:30
  You are helping to prepare horses for clients.
• 38:32
  You've now, and you're, you've started this young horse and you've found this
• 38:36
  ground driving, by the way, for those who are horsey, but don't use that term,
• 38:40
  that means long reigning and long lining.
• 38:43
  And it's still the sort of accepted way you'd start a young horse,
• 38:45
  particularly in Ireland today.
• 38:46
  But it seems to have gone from a lot of other traditions.
• 38:49
  But it definitely, definitely, works for allowing the horse to understand what
• 38:53
  they're gonna do under saddle before they put under saddle, which makes it
• 38:57
  safer for them and for the, the rider.
• 38:59
  okay.
• 38:59
  But so you've started this horse now, and you, you, you've.
• 39:04
  Seen this way of touching a horse, something is in you anywhere
• 39:07
  because you've been touching Bears Ears since you were little.
• 39:10
  , and, now you are basically at age 12, 13 or so, a professional in the
• 39:16
  horse world, albeit in Edmonton.
• 39:19
  How do you end up drifting south?
• 39:22
  Okay.
• 39:23
  Linda TJ: So at the Edmonton Horse Show for my 15th birthday, there is
• 39:29
  one of the, the premier classes of the whole week would be a, a jumper class.
• 39:34
  You'd have to, you know, you have to qualify to keep
• 39:37
  jumping for the whole week.
• 39:39
  So on the, the last day, a, a rider named Ray Edgington broke his arm and he had one
• 39:45
  of the top horses named Bouncing Buster.
• 39:48
  And he was a, a 14 two-hand quarter horse.
• 39:51
  And because I was known for catch riding, he asked me if I'd ride the horse and I
• 39:56
  had about 10 minutes to, you know, get on and go over one little jump and we won it.
• 40:03
  And there was a big article in the paper, which I have about that still have.
• 40:07
  But anyway, Wentworth Tellington, who became my husband, was sitting next
• 40:11
  in the grandsons next to my mother.
• 40:13
  And you can imagine she went nuts when I, you know, you know how moms are.
• 40:18
  She was early when I won.
• 40:21
  So Wentworth managed to talk her into bringing him to the exhibitor party.
• 40:27
  And at the exhibitor party, he, you know, salaried up to me and said
• 40:32
  he'd like to buy that horse from me because the horse was for sale.
• 40:36
  And I said, you know, it's not worth the money they're asking.
• 40:40
  I'm not interested.
• 40:41
  Thank you very much.
• 40:42
  Well, he managed to get to my mother somehow.
• 40:46
  And, oh, oh God.
• 40:47
  Rupert, this is another whole long story.
• 40:50
  You love story.
• 40:51
  I should I tell you the story?
• 40:53
  Rupert Isaacson: Please, please tell me the story.
• 40:54
  Linda TJ: Ah, so at the Calgary Horse Show, which had been the month
• 40:59
  before this show, I had just won the third leg of the hell, Calgary
• 41:06
  Herald Newspaper Challenge Cup.
• 41:09
  I'd won it three years in a row.
• 41:11
  And so, you know, we were, I was with a friend, we were walking around in the
• 41:15
  afternoon and I saw this cowboy, God, I'm sure all you women have been there, or
• 41:21
  many of you have, with a really big hat.
• 41:23
  And I was really interested in Big Hat.
• 41:27
  So he invited me to go out that night.
• 41:30
  So here I am, a 15 year old sneaking out of the hotel.
• 41:33
  Rupert Isaacson: This is not Wentworth, this is a somebody else,
• 41:37
  Linda TJ: not Wentworth, but it needs to Wentworth.
• 41:39
  You'll see Cree Wentworth.
• 41:42
  Well, you'll see how it brought me Wentworth.
• 41:45
  So, anyway, he wrote me a letter and asked me to marry him for God's sake.
• 41:50
  I was 15 and my mother read the letter, I'm happy to say.
• 41:55
  And, she didn't say anything to me.
• 41:57
  Oh, she did say something to me.
• 41:58
  Anyway, she invited him there.
• 42:00
  And this is not a guy I was interested in.
• 42:03
  Come on.
• 42:03
  I was 15, but, so my mother thought she would get me outta town for the
• 42:08
  summer and get me away from this guy.
• 42:11
  And, so went, invited me to work the horses.
• 42:15
  He was an engineer and he was going out for the summer with a
• 42:20
  magnetometer looking for oil anomalies that he sold to big oil companies.
• 42:25
  Okay.
• 42:26
  And so this is the cowboy?
• 42:29
  No, this is Wentworth my
• 42:30
  Rupert Isaacson: husband.
• 42:30
  It's Wentworth.
• 42:31
  Okay, sorry.
• 42:32
  Okay.
• 42:33
  Linda TJ: So my mom to get me away from the CO that she thought I would
• 42:36
  be interested in this cowboy, which I wasn't, but she got me out with Wentworth.
• 42:40
  So anyway, I wound up eventually three years later marrying
• 42:44
  Wentworth Tellington when I was 18.
• 42:48
  And it's thanks to him that we had this wonderful school because of all his
• 42:52
  amazing classical education and learning.
• 42:55
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 42:56
  So tell me, yes.
• 42:57
  Tell me about, tell us about Tellington.
• 42:59
  He's a clearly a formative, formative person.
• 43:01
  He's half of your name.
• 43:03
  and you go on to start this amazing.
• 43:05
  Thing with him.
• 43:05
  He's also interested in, in, the Rosa Crucian.
• 43:08
  He's interested in herbs and healing.
• 43:10
  He's clearly a very fine horseman.
• 43:12
  He's got clearly a cavalry connection.
• 43:14
  Tell us, tell us about this man.
• 43:16
  And what, what was he doing up there in Calgary?
• 43:19
  Linda TJ: he wasn't in Calgary.
• 43:20
  That was where I met the cowboy that made my mother wanna get
• 43:24
  me out of town in Edmonton.
• 43:26
  Okay.
• 43:26
  So the cowboy, we can now let go.
• 43:28
  He was just an instrument to get me out in the woods with Wentworth.
• 43:34
  Rupert Isaacson: But hold on, hold on.
• 43:35
  I'm, I'm, now, I, now I'm confused.
• 43:37
  I thought that you said that when you won the class and your mom
• 43:41
  went nuts, Wentworth was in the stands next to your mother Yes.
• 43:44
  And wanted to buy the horse?
• 43:48
  Correct.
• 43:49
  Okay.
• 43:50
  but before that, there had been a cowboy.
• 43:52
  So your mom, your mom had invited this taton chap or your, he was still
• 43:57
  unknown to your mom at that point?
• 43:58
  Totally
• 43:59
  Linda TJ: unknown.
• 44:00
  Totally unknown.
• 44:02
  It was one of those, you know, accidents of the universe.
• 44:07
  No accidents.
• 44:08
  There are no accidents.
• 44:09
  Correct.
• 44:10
  Rupert Isaacson: And what was, what was he doing up there if he was, he
• 44:13
  was a California base at that point?
• 44:14
  Was he he, no,
• 44:15
  Linda TJ: he was an engineer.
• 44:17
  Okay.
• 44:17
  Ah, oil and gas.
• 44:19
  Oil and gas in Edmonton, Alberta.
• 44:22
  Yeah.
• 44:22
  Got it.
• 44:22
  Got it,
• 44:22
  Rupert Isaacson: got it.
• 44:23
  Yes.
• 44:23
  That makes sense.
• 44:25
  Okay, so then, okay.
• 44:29
  So you meet Wentworth, met Wentworth wants to buy the horse.
• 44:33
  It's showing no interest in you, but yet three years later, you married the man.
• 44:37
  well wait a
• 44:38
  Linda TJ: minute.
• 44:39
  Of course the horse was a, you know, a reason.
• 44:43
  Mm-hmm.
• 44:44
  And so he wound up actually buying another horse for me that was a grandson
• 44:49
  of a man of war and shipping it with a handler from a Maryland Fast Tipton sale.
• 44:56
  And I have pictures riding this beautiful stallion.
• 44:59
  He was a six year old stallion that, had not been that successful in racing.
• 45:04
  And he was, we bought this horse and I did really well with him.
• 45:08
  So it's just all is part of, you know, being able to get on horses and manage
• 45:15
  not to get in a fight with them.
• 45:17
  Mm-hmm.
• 45:17
  And one of the things I wanna say to you, Rupert, that the reason, like,
• 45:22
  I don't get on a horse if I'm afraid.
• 45:25
  Yeah.
• 45:26
  What makes it possible for me to connect to them is taking them
• 45:31
  in hand even for a few minutes and getting them to just to walk.
• 45:37
  Through the labyrinth because it gives them boundaries.
• 45:40
  And we make a, a connection there.
• 45:42
  And I described this today.
• 45:44
  It's not, Hey, I'm gonna take a hold of you better listen to me.
• 45:48
  It's not at all, it's really this heart to heart connection because people say
• 45:53
  to me like, I work with many different zoo animal exotic animals in zoos, right?
• 45:58
  And people say, how do you know?
• 46:00
  How can you work with all these different species?
• 46:02
  Because I ask the person who knows them about them, and I connect
• 46:09
  with them at a cell to cell level.
• 46:12
  We're going to get that to the cell, to cell in a little while, what
• 46:15
  that're about to do with all of us?
• 46:17
  Because at this level of the cells we're all the same and interesting.
• 46:24
  Rupert Isaacson: Ok.
• 46:24
  So can, but, but at that point in your life, you're, you are not
• 46:29
  aware of this in a conscious way.
• 46:30
  Presumably you are, you're some feeling it.
• 46:34
  Linda TJ: But I absolutely.
• 46:36
  you know, I made that connection with any horse.
• 46:38
  So before I get on them, I take them in hand and walk them through.
• 46:43
  You walk and stop and just put my hands on them.
• 46:46
  Like you said, you felt Hmm, my hands on you.
• 46:49
  So what my message is in my hands too is feel your perfection
• 46:58
  because we are miracles, as I said before, and every cell in the body.
• 47:04
  This is, this is.
• 47:06
  I'll come to that in, in a little bit.
• 47:08
  Cause I wanna tell you how I got to this, where I am today, because it's
• 47:12
  really interesting following, it's following like a trail of breadcrumbs
• 47:16
  that I listened for and followed.
• 47:20
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay, I'm listening.
• 47:22
  I'm, I'm actually just writing down, I'm making a note here.
• 47:24
  I'm saying Linda's message through her hands.
• 47:27
  Feel your perfection.
• 47:29
  I love that
• 47:30
  Linda TJ: Through, through my hands to the horse, to you.
• 47:32
  Mm.
• 47:33
  To any being that I put my hands on.
• 47:36
  It's, it's, and today, I only in the last six months finally understand really what
• 47:43
  that means at the, at a whole other level.
• 47:47
  And I've been searching for this all these years.
• 47:49
  Like Rupert, you've seen what I could do with a horse is upset.
• 47:54
  You know, afraid.
• 47:55
  Because all that excitement is, it's all about fear when they lose it like that.
• 47:59
  Yeah.
• 48:00
  And so we, what we've discovered with this one and a quarter basic tea touch, which
• 48:06
  I'll tell you in a bit how I came to that because the story is really interesting.
• 48:11
  The, the, the, the breadcrumb trail, as I say, see it.
• 48:16
  so this, this, I I I, I'm gonna take it in, in its own order actually.
• 48:24
  So, okay.
• 48:26
  I wanna, I wanna stay on this track where you are right now.
• 48:30
  Rupert Isaacson: You are now married to, this man, Tellington.
• 48:34
  And he's American.
• 48:35
  He is not Canadian.
• 48:37
  he's in oil and gas.
• 48:38
  He's up there.
• 48:40
  He's in, you then end up running a farm together down on, down in California.
• 48:44
  Is he already there?
• 48:45
  Does he already own this farm?
• 48:47
  Do you start this together?
• 48:48
  What's the story?
• 48:49
  Linda TJ: Let me tell you how he got there.
• 48:51
  So, in Edmonton, Wentworth had a lot of, in injuries from different accidents
• 48:57
  and a lot of bones that were aching.
• 49:00
  And so he decided that he, first of all, he went to Reno, Nevada to get a
• 49:05
  divorce and then to sell a gold mine to Harold's Club, not a gold mine, sorry.
• 49:11
  oil.
• 49:12
  one of the oil leases that he found.
• 49:15
  And then he decided he needed some warm weather to recuperate.
• 49:20
  So we went to Puerto Rico for a year and a half.
• 49:23
  Okay.
• 49:23
  And for a year and a half I was without horses.
• 49:26
  It's the only year and a half.
• 49:28
  Yikes.
• 49:29
  And so, then after a year and a half, he decided that he wanted to
• 49:34
  give something back to the world for all that he had through his
• 49:38
  wonderful education at, these Andover.
• 49:44
  So, he applied to us a private prep school in, in, rolling
• 49:51
  Hills, California Chadwick School.
• 49:53
  It was a residential private prep school.
• 49:57
  And I thought I would be going there and be going to university.
• 50:02
  But the second day that we were on the property, cuz it's
• 50:05
  a place where we had to live.
• 50:06
  Mrs.
• 50:07
  Metall, the head of the school called, Mrs.
• 50:10
  Chadwick called me in and sat me down and said that I was going to be the
• 50:15
  senior girl's dorm mother and, that I would teach eighth grade social studies.
• 50:21
  Okay.
• 50:23
  This is what a, in those days a private school could do.
• 50:27
  So I got the book that they were, I was going to be teaching and
• 50:30
  I read through the book and I started teaching social studies.
• 50:34
  Okay.
• 50:35
  And, how old are you at
• 50:36
  Rupert Isaacson: this point?
• 50:36
  20.
• 50:38
  Linda TJ: Yeah, about 20.
• 50:39
  Yeah.
• 50:39
  Yeah.
• 50:40
  And I loved it.
• 50:41
  It was really incredible because in, in a private school like that, I had
• 50:45
  eight kids in my class and, you know, on the, when we were studying different
• 50:50
  countries, we, I could take them on field trips into Los Angeles and go to
• 50:53
  different restaurants that represented the food from the country and, okay.
• 50:58
  Very creative.
• 51:00
  Rupert Isaacson: So this is Southern California by Los Angeles.
• 51:03
  That's right.
• 51:03
  But yes.
• 51:04
  Where was just quickly, where was Tellington from originally
• 51:07
  he, was he in East coast or, or West Coast, New Hampshire.
• 51:10
  Okay.
• 51:10
  Okay.
• 51:10
  So this was a departure for him as well to go to the west Coast?
• 51:13
  Yes.
• 51:14
  Okay.
• 51:15
  And okay, so now you're a social studies teacher?
• 51:18
  Linda TJ: I'm a social studies teacher and he's teaching math and,
• 51:22
  and English and creative writing.
• 51:25
  And I took his creative writing classes, which, oh, I wish I had
• 51:28
  those pieces that I wrote then.
• 51:30
  It was really wonderful.
• 51:32
  And he, what I learned from him writing Rupert was so interesting.
• 51:36
  Whenever you're telling a story, hang the gun, gun on the wall.
• 51:41
  If you're going to shoot someone, you know, let them know from
• 51:44
  the beginning in some way.
• 51:46
  Right, right, right.
• 51:47
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
• 51:47
  Leave a clue.
• 51:49
  Linda TJ: Leave a clue.
• 51:49
  But I like the way he said that.
• 51:51
  Hang the gun on the wall.
• 51:54
  And, so anyway, I was really excited about creative writing and was
• 51:59
  doing a lot of stuff at that time.
• 52:02
  And, then in one of, RO Wentworth's classes was a young man named Roland
• 52:11
  Plager, ah, who is my current husband.
• 52:17
  Rupert Isaacson: Of course he is.
• 52:18
  Okay.
• 52:19
  Linda TJ: How do we get there?
• 52:20
  And he's been married four years.
• 52:24
  Isn't that wild?
• 52:25
  Rupert Isaacson: It is.
• 52:26
  So, so sorry.
• 52:27
  So your current husband was your pupil, or was a co-teacher, or was somewhere
• 52:32
  Linda TJ: No, he was, he was, he's three years younger than I am.
• 52:35
  He was in the senior class and he had a football entry, and
• 52:39
  so he couldn't play anymore.
• 52:41
  And so he wanted to learn to ride.
• 52:43
  And one, one of his friends father had a big ranch, and so they sent a
• 52:49
  horse up to the, there was a stable at the, at the private prep school.
• 52:53
  I, and I had horses there and was giving lessons and, and buying horses
• 52:59
  and selling them and, training.
• 53:01
  Rupert Isaacson: So you are back into riding at this school?
• 53:03
  They have horses there, right?
• 53:05
  That was, but you, okay.
• 53:06
  And you, you are teaching a riding or horsemanship class, or it's
• 53:11
  purely recreational at this point?
• 53:12
  Someone else is running that program?
• 53:14
  Linda TJ: No, the i, there, there was no program for the school itself.
• 53:18
  It was just private students.
• 53:19
  Okay.
• 53:20
  Could bring their horses, could bring their horse in.
• 53:22
  Got it.
• 53:23
  Yes.
• 53:23
  And so I taught Roland to ride and those of you, you know, he is
• 53:30
  just an incredible human being.
• 53:31
  I'm so blessed.
• 53:33
  And the fact that, that when Ro when we left the school and Roland got
• 53:38
  married to his first wife, we sent him a wedding present, which his first
• 53:42
  wife, wife has said to still have.
• 53:45
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay, what was the present?
• 53:47
  Do you know, do you remember?
• 53:48
  Linda TJ: It was a double-headed ax because they were pioneering in Northern
• 53:52
  British Columbia and they had to chop wood, believe it or not, you know, and
• 53:59
  Rupert Isaacson: yeah.
• 53:59
  That's funny.
• 54:00
  So you, you, you give a nearly married couple of double-headed ax,
• 54:02
  so they could each take a swing,
• 54:05
  Linda TJ: a double-headed, I, I don't know.
• 54:07
  Dunno why.
• 54:08
  Rupert Isaacson: Hilarious.
• 54:09
  Okay, so, so, presumably you getting married to Roland happens sometime later.
• 54:14
  What?
• 54:15
  So how long, how long do you remain married to, to, Huntington and given
• 54:21
  that you create this, this rather cutting edge writing academy, what, what becomes
• 54:26
  Linda TJ: of all that?
• 54:27
  So it was 16 years I was married.
• 54:29
  Okay.
• 54:31
  And, it's kind of a interesting story.
• 54:34
  It's too long to tell here.
• 54:35
  It's quite fascinating actually.
• 54:37
  Okay.
• 54:37
  But, we split on amenable terms.
• 54:41
  We never had a lawyer.
• 54:43
  We just, I bought him out and, Kept the school and the name and all
• 54:47
  the equipment and all the horses.
• 54:49
  And I continued to run it with, I had really good riding teachers Okay.
• 54:56
  Who had gone to our school and were really excellent.
• 55:00
  And we, I also had Wentworth's, son Jay was there helping me and
• 55:06
  interestingly enough, Roland and his family were there helping Okay.
• 55:10
  Went to develop a program.
• 55:13
  So, so, so after I ran the school, maybe, I don't know, a few months, you
• 55:20
  see, I also had in training like many horses from Countess, Margaret, Bethany.
• 55:26
  That's the story in this book is her story.
• 55:29
  Amazing story.
• 55:30
  And who was she?
• 55:32
  She was a Hungarian Countess who, whose, grandfather was Marcus Dailey.
• 55:38
  And he owned this huge Bitterroot ranch in, in, in Montana.
• 55:43
  Okay.
• 55:44
  And which, she inherited.
• 55:47
  And, she was a wonderful horse woman and she had seen our
• 55:51
  articles because we had articles in Western Horseman called Let's Go.
• 55:56
  And we had them at monthly columns and so she would be reading our
• 56:00
  columns and then called us and asked if she could come to visit.
• 56:04
  And she brought a couple of her horses down and wanted me to
• 56:07
  work with them, which I did.
• 56:09
  And I wound up having usually 10 of her horses.
• 56:14
  And I took them not in training for two months, but for two
• 56:16
  years, and we campaigned them.
• 56:19
  So she was
• 56:20
  Rupert Isaacson: in, in what discipline did she or were they in all disciplines
• 56:24
  Linda TJ: with me?
• 56:24
  They were in endurance, riding, jumping and, three day of ending.
• 56:28
  Okay.
• 56:29
  Yep.
• 56:31
  So, and you'll see that in some of my books, and it's so interesting,
• 56:35
  you know, when you, when I had that astrological reading thing that
• 56:38
  my work would spread around the world, behind me on this bookshelf.
• 56:42
  I have books, my books in, 22 books in 16 languages.
• 56:50
  So from that point, it really has spread thanks to my publishers.
• 56:54
  Rupert Isaacson: Amazing.
• 56:55
  Absolutely amazing.
• 56:56
  It is.
• 56:56
  So, so, so, okay.
• 56:58
  You are running this writing.
• 56:59
  So your creative writing, workshops have clearly paid off because
• 57:03
  you're now publishing articles about what you're doing in Western
• 57:06
  Horseman Magazine and so on.
• 57:07
  People are, taking notice of this to the point that they want to come check out
• 57:11
  your school, bring their horses to you.
• 57:14
  You're training horses for aristocrats.
• 57:16
  You are, you are training these, these, people who are gonna go on to be very
• 57:20
  well known in the horse business.
• 57:21
  Why not just stay with that for the rest of your life?
• 57:23
  Why go on into the healing arts.
• 57:27
  Boy that that's like You did.
• 57:29
  Linda TJ: Really good question.
• 57:31
  So
• 57:35
  interesting story, because I know you love the nitty gritty, right?
• 57:40
  Mm-hmm.
• 57:41
  So, what happened with our school at Badger is, we had, wonderful connections
• 57:48
  with different organizations and one of them was Prescott College in Prescott,
• 57:53
  Arizona, and I was asked to go and do, I can't remember how this happened.
• 58:00
  I must have met the director of Outward Bound.
• 58:04
  And so I was asked to go and give a workshop to students about endurance
• 58:09
  writing and what it takes to, you know, go into another discipline.
• 58:13
  And so after that class, we invited the head of the Outward Bound Roy
• 58:21
  Smith and eight of the students to come for a weekend to us and learn
• 58:27
  to ride in a weekend, jumping and riding in a weekend, these athletes.
• 58:31
  And that's what we could do in our school, Rupert, because it was logical
• 58:35
  way of specifically riding and balance.
• 58:39
  So it was easy for these athletes to do.
• 58:42
  Rupert Isaacson: And I presume you were putting them on school master
• 58:44
  horses that were not gonna kill 'em.
• 58:46
  Yeah.
• 58:46
  Linda TJ: We have really great horses.
• 58:48
  That's a whole other thing in this book.
• 58:50
  I was, we just translated this to German.
• 58:53
  And, one of the reasons that our, our horses were so good is the fact that
• 59:00
  I never allowed a person to ride a horse unless they liked the horse.
• 59:05
  And if they didn't like that horse, they would not get on them.
• 59:10
  Because horses know when you don't like them and they want to work for you.
• 59:14
  If you do like them, it's makes a huge, huge difference.
• 59:21
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 59:21
  So you, you, you've got this incredible program going and
• 59:24
  you've got these athletes coming from Prescott College, right.
• 59:28
  Linda TJ: And now I'm trying to forget.
• 59:30
  Oh yeah.
• 59:30
  So, oh my God.
• 59:32
  Okay, this, so we have this group of students there.
• 59:34
  We're sitting at the dining room table, and we have people learn in the class.
• 59:39
  They learn to be hostess and help people.
• 59:42
  And so we were serving dessert.
• 59:44
  And the dessert that was brought out to, to my table, we have many, like four
• 59:50
  or five different tables of students.
• 59:52
  our table were, were peaches for dessert.
• 59:55
  And my and Wentworth said I ordered pears and he got up and stomped into
• 1:00:01
  the kitchen and I thought, oh, oh.
• 1:00:04
  And he came back out and he said, well, she may quit.
• 1:00:08
  And I said, quietly.
• 1:00:12
  I wouldn't blame her.
• 1:00:13
  And you have to understand, Rupert, I had never in my all 16 years with
• 1:00:19
  him, never dared to open my mouth to oppose him because he was very violent.
• 1:00:25
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 1:00:25
  So there was a light side and a dark side to this ma'am.
• 1:00:28
  Linda TJ: There was a dark side due to I think alcohol.
• 1:00:32
  Yes.
• 1:00:33
  And so, I don't know, you know, it was, it was, it was
• 1:00:37
  meant to be that I said that.
• 1:00:39
  And he said to me, step outside.
• 1:00:42
  And I said, okay.
• 1:00:44
  So I walked out and thank God there was a solid door so people
• 1:00:47
  couldn't see what happened.
• 1:00:48
  So he stood in front of me, and I'm telling this cuz some of you may have had
• 1:00:53
  experiences that were really terrible and you've lived through them, which I did.
• 1:00:56
  So he said, say that again.
• 1:00:58
  And I said, I wouldn't blame her if she quit.
• 1:01:00
  And he punched me and knocked me down.
• 1:01:02
  And how much bigger than you was he?
• 1:01:05
  Oh, he was only five eight.
• 1:01:07
  But he was on the boxing team at, you know, in his prep school.
• 1:01:12
  Rupert Isaacson: So yeah.
• 1:01:12
  He must have known the damage.
• 1:01:14
  He could do What, what, what possessed him do you think?
• 1:01:16
  I mean, what, what do think any, do you think anything went through
• 1:01:19
  his mind thinking, oh, what if I, what if I accidentally kill.
• 1:01:23
  I'm a box.
• 1:01:24
  I'm a trained boxer.
• 1:01:25
  Linda TJ: No, no.
• 1:01:25
  He wouldn't think that.
• 1:01:27
  You know, this is something that happens, I think to people.
• 1:01:30
  He, anyway, he lost his rational mind.
• 1:01:33
  But I want, what I want you to tell you about it that's so interesting is
• 1:01:36
  that, did you ever, do you remember those years where used to, there
• 1:01:40
  used to be a little glass and there was a, something called a dodo bird.
• 1:01:44
  And you, the dodo bird, if you tipped it down, tipped right back up.
• 1:01:48
  What came in my mind, I just jumped up and stood in front of him like a dodo bird.
• 1:01:52
  I didn't cry, I didn't feel anything.
• 1:01:55
  And he said, say that again.
• 1:01:56
  And I did.
• 1:01:57
  And he punched me again.
• 1:01:59
  And when I sit up and just looked at him, I didn't say anything,
• 1:02:03
  or I just stood and looked at him and he said, I think we better go.
• 1:02:07
  I think we better talk.
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  And I said, yes, I think we better.
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  So we went for a walk and I, I told him some of the ridiculous things that
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  he had done, which I, it's way too long a story for that about, again,
• 1:02:20
  punching out, our lawyer and, You know, he couldn't think, and this
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  is a, that's the dark side of him.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  The bright side is I wouldn't be sitting here with you without, if
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  I hadn't been with him those years.
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  Right.
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  Because the big, one of the biggest things I learned, Rupert, that has
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  made a huge difference to my life is if I don't know something, I say, oh.
• 1:02:44
  Interesting.
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  I don't know that instead of trying to fake that, you know something
• 1:02:49
  if a student asks you a question.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And the other thing is to share information because in the
• 1:02:54
  horse world, you know, all the trainers had their secrets.
• 1:02:58
  Right.
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  And that's what our indicate column was about, sharing secrets of
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  how we managed to get along with horses in this way without, with
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  safety, without getting hurt, with appreciation, you know, with a smile.
• 1:03:15
  And, for that I honor this man.
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  So the punch Okay.
• 1:03:21
  Rupert Isaacson: It was it light his dark, dark to his light.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, but, but then he punches you out like this.
• 1:03:27
  You can't come back from there at that point.
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  Do you leave him?
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  No, no, no,
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  Linda TJ: no.
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  That wasn't it.
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  That was okay.
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  We, we went for a walk and then he said, I think you need time to think.
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  And so he said, I'm going to go.
• 1:03:39
  We had an apartment in San Francisco, that we would sometimes go to
• 1:03:43
  on weekends and he said, I think I'm going to go to the apartment
• 1:03:47
  and let you think about this.
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  So he did.
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  And I was so relieved when he walked out the door.
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  And the big thing that I can be here and sit and talk to like this
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  is that I completely forgive him.
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  And I, I can understand how such an intelligent person
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  is what we're telling him.
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  He was running a school for mostly women.
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  We had a few men, but not many.
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  And, and certainly no one of his intellectual level to, to talk, to
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  talk with what a terrible thing.
• 1:04:21
  So after three o'clock each day, he would never sign anything.
• 1:04:25
  He would never agree to anything after three o'clock, cuz that's
• 1:04:28
  when, you know, he'd start drinking these glasses of whiskey.
• 1:04:32
  So, big gift here for me is forgiveness.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Of myself, whatever role I played.
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  And for, for what?
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  That I.
• 1:04:43
  Take resp, you know, responsibility for that.
• 1:04:46
  Rupert Isaacson: So then, you, you go off to the apartment in San
• 1:04:49
  Francisco, you have a think, no.
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  He goes off.
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  No, he goes off.
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  You're on the ranch, he goes off.
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  You relieved.
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  He's gone out of the door.
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  Linda TJ: Very relieved.
• 1:04:57
  Rupert Isaacson: Does he come back at the end of the weekend saying
• 1:04:59
  perhaps we should get divorced?
• 1:05:00
  Do you say that or
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  Linda TJ: no?
• 1:05:01
  No.
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  What happened was every morning I would have like a 30 to 50 minute talk with
• 1:05:08
  Countess, Bethany about the different horses and how they were doing.
• 1:05:12
  And she knew this going on with went, she knew how he was.
• 1:05:15
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:16
  And so she said, Linda, why don't you get a divorce?
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  It never crossed my mind, Rupert.
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  Okay.
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  Never ever crossed my mind.
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  You just didn't do that in those days.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And so I said, oh, and so I remember calling my mother in horror
• 1:05:36
  thinking, what is she going to say?
• 1:05:37
  And when I told her, she said, oh dear, thank God finally, because she had
• 1:05:43
  never said anything ever about, she just, she never talked about people.
• 1:05:49
  She wasn't her gossip.
• 1:05:51
  And so, that was how that, so we, and then, so I told him then, and they said he
• 1:05:57
  knew at some point, you know, he being 20 years old, that, that that would happen.
• 1:06:01
  And, you know, so we just worked it out.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 1:06:04
  Okay.
• 1:06:06
  He didn't, he didn't then become violent again or anything like that?
• 1:06:08
  Linda TJ: Not at all.
• 1:06:10
  No, because he wasn't drinking.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 1:06:13
  And, and, but you must have still been around him when he
• 1:06:15
  was drinking a bit after that.
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  So what, what prevented him from
• 1:06:19
  Linda TJ: he, he didn't come back.
• 1:06:20
  We made it from a distance.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  Yep.
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  And then what happened?
• 1:06:26
  How I then got it then count counts.
• 1:06:29
  Bethany said, Linda, it's too much work for you.
• 1:06:32
  Why don't you just close the school, sell your school horses and Okay.
• 1:06:39
  And find a place where that you really like near San Francisco.
• 1:06:42
  Because I was a member of the Los Alto Summit Club and we were there and and
• 1:06:48
  so, and then, you know, it's a much better place to promote my horses from there.
• 1:06:53
  So we found a beautiful place and that's what I did.
• 1:06:57
  I moved over and I had a huge fancy tipped in a very fancy sale and sold all our
• 1:07:03
  school horses to a really good school that one of our students actually went on and
• 1:07:09
  knew the horses and was the teacher there.
• 1:07:12
  Okay.
• 1:07:13
  And it's in the book some of how our students went on to be successful.
• 1:07:18
  Rupert Isaacson: So then now you're running a new place, you're solo act.
• 1:07:23
  Yes.
• 1:07:23
  You're still a long way from Teta.
• 1:07:24
  Well, no, but, but
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  Linda TJ: hold on, hold on.
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  I forgot.
• 1:07:27
  There is another thing.
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  Okay.
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  I had a.
• 1:07:31
  relationship with his students.
• 1:07:34
  And Margaret was much younger, 11 years younger and Mar and he played Polo.
• 1:07:39
  And, and Margaret said, why don't you marry him?
• 1:07:42
  He can be your concert.
• 1:07:43
  You can't be in the horse business in 1970 without a husband.
• 1:07:49
  You can't be, you can't be sick.
• 1:07:51
  You know, it wasn't allowed in the Hunt Club or any of those clubs.
• 1:07:56
  So I married him and, that's a whole other story that
• 1:08:01
  lasted two and a half years.
• 1:08:03
  And we had a, a happy disconnect at that point.
• 1:08:09
  And, he went off with ex-girlfriend who was working for me at
• 1:08:12
  the time, and I was so happy.
• 1:08:14
  You cannot believe it, but I couldn't tell her that.
• 1:08:16
  Of course.
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  Thank you very much.
• 1:08:19
  This is a nice shift.
• 1:08:22
  okay then.
• 1:08:23
  So I had, I had, and how that happened, I had the school, it was really a beautiful
• 1:08:31
  school over in, in Los Alto Hills.
• 1:08:34
  We had rented a house next to us that had six bedrooms and a pool.
• 1:08:37
  Rupert Isaacson: Los Altos Hills.
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  That is now Silicon
• 1:08:39
  Linda TJ: Valley.
• 1:08:40
  No.
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  Silicon Valley.
• 1:08:43
  Well, yeah, I guess that's part of it.
• 1:08:44
  Perhaps that's part, yeah.
• 1:08:45
  Rupert Isaacson: Sort of what is now.
• 1:08:46
  Yeah.
• 1:08:47
  Okay.
• 1:08:48
  But different back then.
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  Okay.
• 1:08:49
  So you've got this
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  Linda TJ: wonderful place.
• 1:08:52
  And we were, we did a lot of showing with our horses and we
• 1:08:55
  had students from all over again.
• 1:08:57
  But I only took students for six months at that point.
• 1:09:00
  Okay.
• 1:09:01
  And then I got the feeling, wait a minute, Rupert, I was so disillusioned
• 1:09:06
  of what was going on in the horse world because, it was no better than before.
• 1:09:11
  There was no more in like, recognition of the horse's,
• 1:09:17
  heart right, of their feelings.
• 1:09:20
  It was just the same old, dominant thing that was going on.
• 1:09:26
  And so I, yeah, and I decided that I had to go around the world and
• 1:09:31
  find out what I was supposed to do.
• 1:09:34
  Okay.
• 1:09:35
  And, so I was invited, in, I started in Germany to visit Mar , Ursula Bruns,
• 1:09:43
  who is responsible for my first book.
• 1:09:46
  She's the one that sat me down and said, Linda, you have to start, you
• 1:09:51
  have to, make a method of this work.
• 1:09:53
  And it's thanks to her.
• 1:09:54
  I have my first of these 22 books now, so, Anyway, I went to visit
• 1:09:59
  her and she said, you have to give a presentation for e quana.
• 1:10:03
  And I was planning to continue around the world to go spend some time with a student
• 1:10:08
  in Africa who was filming gorillas.
• 1:10:12
  But anyway, I didn't get there.
• 1:10:15
  And I stayed in Germany.
• 1:10:17
  And then I developed this, this whole system, and thanks to Ursula Bruns with
• 1:10:22
  her camera and sitting me down at the, those old standard wasn't a typewriter,
• 1:10:28
  it was, I forget what you call this, in between the typewriter and the computer.
• 1:10:33
  Rupert Isaacson: So you had been using this way to, of empathetic
• 1:10:36
  touch with horses through this whole, successful career in, California.
• 1:10:42
  Yes.
• 1:10:42
  and now there you are, you've come to Germany thinking, oh,
• 1:10:46
  I'm gonna be a student again.
• 1:10:47
  I, I need to, need to find out more.
• 1:10:51
  But now someone's looking at you going, oh, no, no, no.
• 1:10:53
  You are the one who's gotta be the teacher.
• 1:10:54
  Or is that, is that how it plays out?
• 1:10:59
  Linda TJ: How it played out?
• 1:11:00
  First of all, I wanted to learn because I've been teaching so much in my life.
• 1:11:05
  And so when I, I got there and I, Ursula said, you have to make this
• 1:11:11
  performance, this presentation for Equa.
• 1:11:14
  And it was that year, there were 136,000 people who visited
• 1:11:18
  Equa over those nine days.
• 1:11:21
  And, So I took my partner at the time, Roger Russell and four, three,
• 1:11:27
  two other young men and four horses.
• 1:11:31
  And we trained them to do a quad drill of four jumping with no bridals.
• 1:11:36
  And it was sensation of e quana.
• 1:11:38
  It was in all the magazine.
• 1:11:40
  And what the magazines wrote is, oh my gosh, so many
• 1:11:43
  people are going to be killed.
• 1:11:45
  You know, this is such a terrible idea.
• 1:11:48
  And now this last time, Rupert, you've seen in every discipline at Equa across
• 1:11:55
  the board, English, western dressage.
• 1:11:58
  Yeah.
• 1:11:59
  Everybody's riding with nothing on their horse's head.
• 1:12:01
  Absolutely.
• 1:12:02
  Yeah, because it's the truss.
• 1:12:04
  So I wanna, I wanna get outta this long story and take you to the
• 1:12:10
  story of how Te Touch developed.
• 1:12:11
  Okay.
• 1:12:12
  So I'm, I'm in Germany.
• 1:12:15
  After Eton, I'm asked to teach a writing class, because they wanted
• 1:12:22
  to know how I did this stuff, right?
• 1:12:24
  So we sent up, , A class and the advertisement, you had to either be
• 1:12:29
  a, an adult writer with fear from accidents, but an experienced rider, or
• 1:12:34
  you had to have a horse who's fearful.
• 1:12:37
  And so my organizer said, you don't need a translator.
• 1:12:41
  Every German speaks English.
• 1:12:42
  Not true, as you may have found out indeed.
• 1:12:47
  So I went in there and I got there and not one person spoke one word of English.
• 1:12:52
  So I, growing up in Canada, had had four years of French and Latin.
• 1:12:57
  And so I knew how to conjugate, so I just wrote down 10 words I needed for teaching.
• 1:13:03
  And I thought, this is great, this is really fun.
• 1:13:07
  So I started using those words and we had an amazing time on that weekend.
• 1:13:12
  And so, the Ursula Bruns who had organized that and had already sold
• 1:13:17
  books with three quarters of a million readers, sh everybody knew her.
• 1:13:21
  She was amazing human being.
• 1:13:23
  And she's the one who took me under her wing and said, you have to make a method.
• 1:13:27
  When she saw what I was doing.
• 1:13:29
  And so my partner who was with me traveling with me, Roger Russell,
• 1:13:36
  he, I was asked to form this writing school that would be head
• 1:13:43
  set up by these, you know, really.
• 1:13:46
  Organized Germans and I would be the teacher.
• 1:13:49
  And Roger wanted to have something to teach, and he, we had been doing the
• 1:13:54
  Felden Christ work one time, one lesson at Essel and Institute the year before.
• 1:14:00
  And it had made such a difference to the movement, my movement as a writer,
• 1:14:06
  because in the classical way of getting into writing, you write in one position
• 1:14:12
  depending on your discipline, right?
• 1:14:13
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:14
  So this gave me the movement in my pelvis, thanks to this Feld in Christ, awareness
• 1:14:18
  for movement like I had never had.
• 1:14:21
  And it was incredible.
• 1:14:22
  So Roger decided he wanted to bring that and implement it in
• 1:14:28
  the writing that we were doing.
• 1:14:30
  So he signed up for a class in San Francisco, and I took one look at
• 1:14:35
  the brochure because it was Dr.
• 1:14:37
  Moshe Feld Rice from Israel teaching at the Humanistic Psychology
• 1:14:41
  Institute in San Francisco.
• 1:14:44
  And it was to be a three year course, which turned out to be actually four
• 1:14:48
  years, because you felt we weren't ready.
• 1:14:50
  So I took one look at it and I said, I, I know I have to do this for my students.
• 1:14:55
  Never crossed my mind rippert that it would make such a
• 1:14:58
  difference for me or for the work.
• 1:15:00
  And so I, it was a 12 week course, four days a week from 10 till four.
• 1:15:09
  And then all year you did the studying and moving and practicing
• 1:15:13
  and, So the second day in the class, we're lying on the floor, and he
• 1:15:18
  is, he's making this statement, Dr.
• 1:15:21
  Moe Felden Christ made this statement that it's possible for a human to learn
• 1:15:26
  in one experience using these gentle, non habitual movements that activate
• 1:15:32
  new neural pathways to the brain, that give us more potential for learning.
• 1:15:37
  And I'm lying on the floor doing these movements.
• 1:15:40
  He's leading it through.
• 1:15:41
  And I felt my, my ears prick up like a horse.
• 1:15:45
  And I thought, wait a minute, if this is true for a human,
• 1:15:48
  it's gotta be true for a horse.
• 1:15:49
  So I, after class that day, I called a man.
• 1:15:54
  I had just met who had brought a group of Arabian th br Mayors down from Montana.
• 1:16:00
  And I had been interested in buying one of them.
• 1:16:04
  And so I called him and I said, do you have any of the horses have any issue
• 1:16:08
  that habit, that you'd like to be changed?
• 1:16:12
  And he said, well, I have this one horse that, every day to catch her, to
• 1:16:16
  bring her into the stable for her food.
• 1:16:19
  You know, for the night I had to chase her.
• 1:16:21
  It's not logical.
• 1:16:22
  So he chased her up and brought her to me.
• 1:16:25
  I, I came out after class and I did about 30 minutes of what I call exploring.
• 1:16:32
  And we had already, I wanna show you this.
• 1:16:36
  Two books here.
• 1:16:37
  We had already written this book.
• 1:16:41
  This is Belvin Christ.
• 1:16:42
  This is, no, this is just a booklet we had,
• 1:16:45
  Rupert Isaacson: but you've had written that you guys have put out
• 1:16:47
  Linda TJ: Yes.
• 1:16:48
  15 years before we wrote this booklet called Physical
• 1:16:51
  Therapy for the Athletic Horse.
• 1:16:52
  Okay.
• 1:16:53
  Using these gypsy movements Ah, okay.
• 1:16:56
  To help our horses recover after hard athletic endeavor.
• 1:17:01
  And, but it never crossed my mind that you could change the habit of
• 1:17:05
  a horse or change their behavior.
• 1:17:08
  And so, I started working on this horse as we had done, you know, moving
• 1:17:15
  the legs and diff moving different parts of the body in ways that
• 1:17:18
  horses would not move themselves.
• 1:17:21
  And
• 1:17:21
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 1:17:22
  Novel movement in,
• 1:17:23
  Linda TJ: but yes, with a new thought.
• 1:17:28
  And the new thought was, wait a minute, what are the neural
• 1:17:32
  pathways that will be activated?
• 1:17:35
  Because I'm moving this with awareness in a way that this
• 1:17:38
  horse could not do it herself.
• 1:17:41
  And so I moved the legs with that in mind, what are the neural
• 1:17:45
  connections that are happening?
• 1:17:47
  Will this horse be able to learn new behaviors?
• 1:17:52
  So, I was simply what I call exploring Rupert.
• 1:17:56
  And so, I did this thing and people watched me and they
• 1:18:00
  thought I'd hypnotize the horse.
• 1:18:01
  She was so quiet.
• 1:18:02
  This is a horse that had never been ridden.
• 1:18:05
  So I, I moved her head in different ways and took her
• 1:18:07
  ears and her legs and her tail.
• 1:18:10
  And then he, I went home and didn't think anymore, and he turned her loose.
• 1:18:15
  And he called me the next day and he said, you won't believe this.
• 1:18:17
  When I went to catch her, to put her back in this table, she came to the gate.
• 1:18:23
  And when I put her in this stall, instead of diving for the food, she stood
• 1:18:27
  there next to me, like, do something.
• 1:18:31
  And I thought, holy mackerel.
• 1:18:33
  Okay, now how did I get to where I am here today?
• 1:18:38
  The next level of this is this book.
• 1:18:42
  So at the end of the first summer in San Francisco at the Humanistic
• 1:18:45
  Psychology Institute, Dr.
• 1:18:48
  Moshe Felden Christ recommended this book, it's called Man on His
• 1:18:52
  Nature, by Sir Charles Sherington.
• 1:18:54
  Sherington was a Nobel Prize winner who, who won the Nobel Prize for the, talking
• 1:19:00
  about futons a light in the cells.
• 1:19:03
  And when I read that book, I was sitting in Marvin Pic restaurant in
• 1:19:08
  Stuttgart, Germany, in a February cold rainy day reading this book.
• 1:19:15
  And sh Dr.
• 1:19:16
  She, Charles Sherington, made the statement that the, that the.
• 1:19:21
  Every cell in the body knows its function in the body.
• 1:19:25
  And he told the story in such fascinating description of how if we
• 1:19:31
  cut ourselves talking about how the, how the cell, how the body knows which
• 1:19:37
  fluids to send to that for healing.
• 1:19:39
  And I suddenly realized, wait a minute.
• 1:19:42
  If every cell in the body knows it's function in this body, then all I
• 1:19:49
  have to do, if I am working on a horse or a person who has a problem,
• 1:19:54
  all I have to do is say, cells remind this body, remind these cells of
• 1:20:00
  their potential for ideal function.
• 1:20:02
  And it's just a thought that I had.
• 1:20:05
  And so I, I would have that thought.
• 1:20:08
  And what I found is, wow, I could, this is way before the circles, I could really
• 1:20:14
  make a difference in how a horse felt and how they behaved by just having this sense
• 1:20:21
  of giving new information in the body by these gentle movements and the next level.
• 1:20:29
  So I was very successful with this and we found that we
• 1:20:32
  could really change behavior.
• 1:20:34
  And one of the stories you might appreciate, and you've gotta jump
• 1:20:38
  in and stop me cuz once I get on a roll with this, I just, it's so,
• 1:20:42
  it takes me back to those days.
• 1:20:44
  So, We're looking for other horses to try these theory on.
• 1:20:48
  Right?
• 1:20:49
  So another day I go out to a polo barn, belong to a polo player I
• 1:20:57
  knew and he had also school horses and he had one horse, , si another
• 1:21:03
  older mayor that he played Polo one.
• 1:21:06
  But they couldn't use her in the jumping program for students because she would
• 1:21:10
  not step over a line in the sand.
• 1:21:13
  So of course she wouldn't jump a pole or step over a pole.
• 1:21:17
  So I'm kind of scratching my head and thinking, Hmm, interesting.
• 1:21:20
  So we're standing out in the arena and they're a bunch of poles lying
• 1:21:23
  around cuz it was a jumping arena.
• 1:21:25
  And , I'm at her tail and Racher, my partner at the time is today, my
• 1:21:32
  good friend always, he was at her head and , I was doing something
• 1:21:37
  with her tail and suddenly this horse was standing there with her head up.
• 1:21:42
  She just dropped her head and walked forward over a pole.
• 1:21:47
  I thought, holy mackerel.
• 1:21:50
  That's interesting.
• 1:21:51
  So we drew some lines in the sand, first of all, just with our foot and
• 1:21:56
  I would work her tail and he could lower her head and she'd step over it.
• 1:22:00
  Then we got her working over pole and Rupert, my God, when I think about.
• 1:22:05
  The re relationship of the tail and the cranial sacral
• 1:22:09
  fluid that we understand today.
• 1:22:11
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:22:11
  You know, and the ears with all of that.
• 1:22:14
  It's fascinating.
• 1:22:16
  Okay.
• 1:22:16
  So another discovery.
• 1:22:18
  So we started working with the different, continuing to work on different parts
• 1:22:23
  of the body and was very successful.
• 1:22:27
  My whole next book that's still in print, the introduction to the work
• 1:22:32
  was 2020 horses for, four weeks that we took them horses with big, big
• 1:22:39
  problems like runaways or really dangerous spook, spooky horses.
• 1:22:47
  And so the next miracle that happened in my life, this was, I was giving
• 1:22:55
  a workshop at the Delaware Equine Veterinary Clinic and Matthew McKay Smith.
• 1:23:00
  Did you ever meet Matthew?
• 1:23:02
  He was,
• 1:23:02
  Rupert Isaacson: I did.
• 1:23:02
  I actually met, I knew the McKay Smiths because I, worked in Middleburg,
• 1:23:08
  Virginia for my first ever horse training job in America when I was
• 1:23:12
  very, very young, 500 years ago.
• 1:23:14
  And, I, I knew them and I knew they, they were the top people for producing,
• 1:23:18
  endurance horses at that time, as well as all sorts of other disciplines.
• 1:23:21
  Yeah.
• 1:23:22
  And Dr.
• 1:23:23
  McKay Smith was the go-to guru?
• 1:23:25
  Absolutely.
• 1:23:25
  As a, as a vet too.
• 1:23:28
  Linda TJ: Oh, well, he and his wife were really good friends and I knew him from
• 1:23:31
  the time he was almost out of vet school.
• 1:23:34
  Thank you.
• 1:23:34
  And he was a veterinary editor for Equi Magazine for years.
• 1:23:38
  I remember that, yes.
• 1:23:39
  Yep.
• 1:23:40
  And, he loved what I did, and his mother had a bunch of, I can't
• 1:23:46
  remember the breed right now, one of the canons I think she bred.
• 1:23:51
  And I remember him, wanting to tube one of them.
• 1:23:53
  And he wanted me to work with this horse to try it because the horse was really
• 1:23:58
  wild and basically unhandled and he hadn't, hadn't been able to tube her.
• 1:24:03
  So what I did was do some of the work we do and then I took the nostrils
• 1:24:07
  and I just moved the nostrils in all different directions, you
• 1:24:11
  know, with and around the mouth.
• 1:24:13
  That's how all of that really was influence.
• 1:24:17
  And then he could put a tube up her nose, just like that.
• 1:24:21
  Rupert Isaacson: And by the way, again, for those listeners who, dunno why you
• 1:24:23
  would put a tube up, a horse's nose, you do it to save a horse's life.
• 1:24:27
  When a horse is colicking and the CO is impacted, the horse can die very quickly.
• 1:24:32
  and one way you can help with this is to put oil through
• 1:24:35
  the, through the digestive cann.
• 1:24:37
  You don't do it through the mouth, you do it through the
• 1:24:38
  nose, and it's called intubating.
• 1:24:40
  and if you can't intubate the horse, in crisis, you may well
• 1:24:44
  may very well lose the horse.
• 1:24:46
  So it's, it's quite crucial.
• 1:24:47
  And some horses accept it, no problem.
• 1:24:49
  They just sort of stand there.
• 1:24:50
  Other horses.
• 1:24:51
  Clearly not.
• 1:24:51
  So this is really interesting cuz I've seen one, one of my first, exposures to
• 1:24:55
  your work, Linda, was, you remember when you were in Texas with us and we had our
• 1:25:00
  three stallions, and you were showing us how to put our, our fingers inside
• 1:25:05
  the mouth and massage the gums and so on.
• 1:25:09
  And so that was the first time anyone had said, oh, stick your
• 1:25:12
  finger in the stallion's mouth.
• 1:25:13
  I'm like, well, if Linda's telling me to do it, it must be good.
• 1:25:16
  So we did.
• 1:25:17
  And we found indeed, our horses all became little puppies.
• 1:25:22
  So I that's very interesting that, I guess necessity's always
• 1:25:26
  the mother of invention, right?
• 1:25:28
  How else would one discover something like this, but in some sort of crisis where
• 1:25:32
  you've got to draw upon what the resources of what you've learned and see what works.
• 1:25:37
  And that's interesting.
• 1:25:39
  Linda TJ: Well, actually, the way I came about it is a longer trip and I,
• 1:25:44
  sorry to go on so long, but it's fa hey.
• 1:25:45
  No,
• 1:25:46
  Rupert Isaacson: no, it's fascinating.
• 1:25:47
  As long as you want.
• 1:25:48
  Linda TJ: So that with, with Dr.
• 1:25:50
  McKay Smith and the nostrils, that was, that came as a result of a
• 1:25:56
  lecture that I had in my, advanced training of the Peda Krest work we had.
• 1:26:01
  We had a neurologist, an Israeli neurologist talking to us about watching
• 1:26:06
  the mouth movements of a newborn infant, a human, and that if they were abnormal,
• 1:26:11
  there was some dysfunction neurologically.
• 1:26:15
  And so like two weeks after I was in San Francisco having that lecture, I
• 1:26:20
  was back in Germany working with a horse at someone that sent to me for a week.
• 1:26:25
  They wanted to know if I could work with her to make her friendlier
• 1:26:29
  because she didn't like to be caught.
• 1:26:31
  And she, she wasn't particularly friendly, so, and she was really hard to bridle.
• 1:26:36
  So what I noticed that her mouth was really tight.
• 1:26:41
  And so I thought, oh, that's interesting.
• 1:26:43
  I'll just play around.
• 1:26:45
  You know, this thing I call exploring.
• 1:26:47
  This is before the circles.
• 1:26:49
  I play around with her mouth and her chin.
• 1:26:53
  And now today we do circles on it, but that's what we did then.
• 1:26:56
  And I found out and I put my mouth, my fingers up here, up on the gums, right.
• 1:27:03
  And I found out that in a very short time, she would relax and then I
• 1:27:10
  could, was able to open the mouth and get her to open her teeth.
• 1:27:14
  And bridle her and her attitude really changed.
• 1:27:18
  And then I started talking about that and teaching it.
• 1:27:22
  And then I found another book that's here on my shelf and it's called,
• 1:27:26
  emotional intelligence by Daniel Goldman.
• 1:27:29
  And in the second it's about humans.
• 1:27:32
  And in the second chapter, he talks about the fact that around the mouth
• 1:27:36
  and the nose, our taste in the smell affect our, our brain in a way
• 1:27:42
  that overcomes fear, that it affects the emotional centers of our brain.
• 1:27:47
  Rupert Isaacson: Makes, makes perfect sense since we were infants, right?
• 1:27:50
  Yes.
• 1:27:51
  Linda TJ: Yeah.
• 1:27:52
  All this sucking stuff, you know, that we do to mm-hmm.
• 1:27:56
  Rupert Isaacson: Self-sooth.
• 1:27:56
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:27:57
  Yeah.
• 1:27:58
  Linda TJ: So that's how I got there.
• 1:27:59
  And with the, the nostrils, it was, it was just, I don't know how I went, man.
• 1:28:04
  I can't remember the first time I did the nostrils, but maybe after reading
• 1:28:07
  that chapter that it wasn't just the mouth, that was the nostrils also.
• 1:28:11
  So as a result of that Rupert, that Matthew McKay Smith was fascinated,
• 1:28:18
  and, but he always say it was me.
• 1:28:20
  You know, it wasn't the method because he hadn't seen my students
• 1:28:24
  be able to do the same thing.
• 1:28:26
  And so, he, did you ever meet Dr.
• 1:28:30
  Dan, Daniel, Dan, Dan Daniel Marks, no, I did not.
• 1:28:34
  Well, he was the friend of Matthew McKay Smith, and he was the, the
• 1:28:39
  vet for the American Jumping Team.
• 1:28:42
  Okay.
• 1:28:42
  And he had also seen me work cuz I had done, I had gone with them to
• 1:28:46
  work on a horse at the King Ranch.
• 1:28:49
  And so they invited me to do a workshop at their center and they had
• 1:28:53
  a bunch of the three day adventures and different people come in and I
• 1:28:56
  worked with their horses showing them how they could improve performance
• 1:29:00
  with the work, the Darlington work.
• 1:29:02
  And so one of the horses belonged to one of the other vets and they
• 1:29:06
  didn't know what was wrong with her because in those days all you
• 1:29:10
  did was measure from the knee.
• 1:29:12
  I mean X-ray from the knees in the hawks down.
• 1:29:15
  For those of you not in the horse world today, veterinarians look at every aspect
• 1:29:20
  of the horse with, the back, the hips, the neck, none of that with the jaw.
• 1:29:26
  Our x-rayed and their have ultrasound, they have everything we humans have.
• 1:29:31
  It was not available then.
• 1:29:33
  So they wanted me to put my hands on this horse and figure
• 1:29:36
  out why was she so aggressive.
• 1:29:39
  Like she'd pin her ears and snap her teeth and move, threaten to kick
• 1:29:44
  when you just approached her with a grooming thing or with a saddle.
• 1:29:49
  And so I just went up to her quietly like this and, and just
• 1:29:57
  put my hands on her rib area.
• 1:30:03
  And I didn't recognize what I was doing in those days.
• 1:30:07
  Today, what I absolutely know, Rupert, is I'm just giving her this message.
• 1:30:13
  Feel yourself.
• 1:30:14
  And I see the horse not as aggressive or not as a problem,
• 1:30:20
  but just feel yourself feel.
• 1:30:24
  And today all I have to do is add to that you're a miracle.
• 1:30:28
  I mean, we are miracles, okay?
• 1:30:32
  And the horse got really quiet.
• 1:30:33
  She didn't pin her ears.
• 1:30:35
  She didn't move aside.
• 1:30:37
  And the, her, the wife of her, of her owner said, Linda, what are you doing?
• 1:30:45
  Why is my horse not aggressive?
• 1:30:47
  Why is she not trying to, you know, bite you or kick you?
• 1:30:53
  And I said, intuitively.
• 1:30:55
  And now we get back to this word, intuition.
• 1:30:58
  You must learn to trust your intuition intuitively.
• 1:31:01
  I said, don't worry what I'm doing, just walk up, put your hands on the
• 1:31:06
  shoulder and move the skin in a circle.
• 1:31:11
  I didn't say a circle in a quarter in those days.
• 1:31:13
  That came way later, move the skin in a circle.
• 1:31:17
  And when I said that, I thought, oh, that's interesting.
• 1:31:20
  I don't know what that's about.
• 1:31:22
  So I didn't tell her, I didn't know what I was talking about.
• 1:31:25
  So she went up and she just gently.
• 1:31:27
  Pushed the skin, not with a, just lightly pushed the skin in a circle
• 1:31:33
  and the horse let her do this.
• 1:31:35
  Like all over her ribcage, didn't move to the side, didn't pin her
• 1:31:38
  ears, didn't like threaten to bite.
• 1:31:41
  And she said she couldn't believe it.
• 1:31:45
  And when I saw that, I couldn't believe it either.
• 1:31:48
  And I thought, wait a minute.
• 1:31:50
  It takes years to learn this beautiful feld in Christ method.
• 1:31:54
  Anybody can move the skin in a circle.
• 1:31:57
  And that's when I started following the circles.
• 1:32:01
  And that's what we do today.
• 1:32:04
  And for years now for humans and horses and dogs.
• 1:32:08
  We can relieve fear or pain, reduce pain just for this, what we now
• 1:32:16
  know is a one and a quarter circle.
• 1:32:18
  And it's taken years to come to that.
• 1:32:20
  This is a long story, as you can see with a lot of influence from a lot of people.
• 1:32:28
  Rupert Isaacson: So when I first, was exposed to your method, I remember
• 1:32:32
  wondering why circle in a quarter?
• 1:32:36
  So for those listeners, who aren't familiar, and hopefully there's lots
• 1:32:40
  of you because, then you can all have the treat of learning te touch,
• 1:32:44
  because it works for people too.
• 1:32:46
  it basically the, the, the basic pattern.
• 1:32:49
  Which gets communicated when you're a rookie is there is this way of moving
• 1:32:55
  the skin gently in a pattern that is basically a circle and a quarter.
• 1:33:01
  Not a lot of pressure, but not too little pressure, but it's a circle and a quarter.
• 1:33:07
  And, the quarter, if I'm, correct me if I'm wrong, the, the, the, the
• 1:33:14
  quarter circle at the end that you end with seems usually to, if I'm not wrong
• 1:33:19
  to be an upstroke, is that correct?
• 1:33:22
  Correct.
• 1:33:22
  and I've been using it, thank God I just checked using it.
• 1:33:27
  But, it, it works, it works on my horses, it works on my dogs, it works on my kids.
• 1:33:31
  It works on me.
• 1:33:32
  the moment you, Linda showed this to us, because we were also running a large
• 1:33:38
  facility with horses trained at a very high level with lots of clients coming
• 1:33:42
  in from all over the world, and a lot of pressure on us to, you know, have
• 1:33:46
  horses that would show up, in a good mood, to do what they needed to do.
• 1:33:51
  And so we were always obviously interested in anything, anything we could learn
• 1:33:55
  to make it nicer for our horses.
• 1:33:56
  And we still, so I remember when you first showed up, Linda,
• 1:33:59
  and you showed us this and.
• 1:34:02
  I remember thinking, ah, yes.
• 1:34:04
  Like all genius things.
• 1:34:05
  It's something simple.
• 1:34:07
  But one of these days I'm gonna get to ask you when there's not a million
• 1:34:10
  of your students around and other people, and I haven't got my hands on
• 1:34:13
  a horse and I'm trying to figure out what to do, what's the quarter bit?
• 1:34:18
  Why the circle and the quarter.
• 1:34:21
  Linda TJ: This is where I wish we, we, we had the, I could draw it here.
• 1:34:26
  You see, I first said push the skin in a circle.
• 1:34:29
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:34:30
  And then I, I changed the push cuz it could it, see, I can move it in a circle.
• 1:34:36
  Sometimes it's feather light, so you can't push.
• 1:34:39
  Right.
• 1:34:39
  So move it in a circle.
• 1:34:41
  And then I realized if you do it, all of you watching this, if, if you just imagine
• 1:34:47
  a circle here and catch the skin, and actually I'm going to give you, I'm going
• 1:34:53
  to have you imagine up there on the wall there's a clock, you know, the kind that
• 1:34:57
  we used to have in schools where you had numbers, not, not this digital things, but
• 1:35:03
  where you've got a round thing like I have above me and you have the numbers on it.
• 1:35:09
  So there's a reason for doing this and you'll see it in a moment.
• 1:35:12
  So I imagine take that clock and I put it here on my chest, which is
• 1:35:19
  considered to be your heart chakra.
• 1:35:21
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:35:21
  Right here.
• 1:35:22
  And, and I put imaginary numbers on it.
• 1:35:26
  I put six toward the ground.
• 1:35:29
  And I put up here, I put my, toward my right shoulder, I put my nine.
• 1:35:34
  Just imagine it from the outside.
• 1:35:36
  12 up towards the chin and three towards the left shoulder.
• 1:35:41
  Now there's a real purpose that I say that direction and now I'm gonna make a
• 1:35:47
  tiny circle so you can see how actually small it is, it is not this big thing.
• 1:35:53
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:35:53
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:35:54
  I put one hand over the other, I move from six with a big breast,
• 1:35:58
  try it six up to your nine.
• 1:36:01
  And I do it lightly.
• 1:36:02
  Don't press hard just enough to catch the skin and move it so it can be, I'm
• 1:36:07
  using the heel of my hand there, there, and I go 6, 9, 12, 3, 6 up to nine and I
• 1:36:19
  stop and I just release, I just did it.
• 1:36:24
  Try the, yeah, yeah,
• 1:36:27
  Rupert Isaacson: go ahead.
• 1:36:27
  Okay, so let, let's just get, let's just get the, the listeners to do it.
• 1:36:30
  So if you're, if you're driving a car right now, love view will
• 1:36:33
  be, you're gonna need two hands.
• 1:36:35
  So if you're not on the freeway, pull over cuz this is worth a shot.
• 1:36:39
  It does work.
• 1:36:40
  Okay.
• 1:36:40
  So we gotta just give people a chance to pull over, da da da da.
• 1:36:43
  They're looking in their rear and mirrors, they're on around
• 1:36:45
  we, oh, can I park the car here?
• 1:36:48
  Put the car in park, or slide it into Gear Engine off or run Running Park.
• 1:36:54
  Okay.
• 1:36:54
  Now I think they're ready.
• 1:36:57
  Tell us now.
• 1:36:57
  We're all gonna do it together, Linda.
• 1:36:59
  Linda TJ: Okay.
• 1:37:00
  So we take this imaginary clock and we place it there looking and
• 1:37:03
  so we're looking at it from the
• 1:37:05
  Rupert Isaacson: outside.
• 1:37:05
  So this, so this is over our heart on the more or less the left side of our chest.
• 1:37:09
  Linda TJ: Actually, let's go in the middle, in the heart.
• 1:37:11
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 1:37:11
  So we're right in the middle of our chest.
• 1:37:13
  Yep.
• 1:37:13
  Yep.
• 1:37:14
  Okay.
• 1:37:14
  And two hands, one hand over there.
• 1:37:17
  Does it matter which hand is in contact with the body left or right?
• 1:37:21
  Linda TJ: Whatever you like.
• 1:37:22
  Okay.
• 1:37:23
  It is natural.
• 1:37:24
  And, and the reason you do both, I started calling this a te touch heart hug when
• 1:37:30
  I was teaching this to orphans in Swo in South Africa, because it's like a hug,
• 1:37:36
  you know, for those who are orphans or it's like a hug to protect yourself.
• 1:37:42
  So one hand, you start at six, however, just like make a little connection.
• 1:37:47
  Oh yeah.
• 1:37:47
  There's a six, nine, up to 12.
• 1:37:51
  Deep breath, round to six and up and stop at, at your, at your nine o'clock.
• 1:38:00
  Now you did that once in the clockwise direction.
• 1:38:03
  Let's try it and see how it is for you in the other direction.
• 1:38:06
  Start at your imaginary six and go up to the left, up to the 3 12,
• 1:38:14
  9, 6, and back up to the three.
• 1:38:18
  Now if you just now start from six and go to six.
• 1:38:27
  How does that feel?
• 1:38:28
  And then go into the other direction.
• 1:38:29
  Do six to the right and just around to six.
• 1:38:35
  Does it make you hold your breath?
• 1:38:39
  Rupert Isaacson: I, I inhaled through my nose on, as I, as my hands went
• 1:38:44
  up from six to 12 and I exhaled as my hands went down back to six again.
• 1:38:50
  However, I would posit that I need to do that.
• 1:38:53
  Cause I've been looking at you in a camera and I watch you do it.
• 1:38:55
  So I don't know if I would've, I might've held my breath.
• 1:38:58
  Hold on.
• 1:38:59
  It's okay.
• 1:39:00
  Linda TJ: Yeah.
• 1:39:02
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
• 1:39:02
  Because actually if you take a deep breath, it's true that I just did that
• 1:39:05
  now I just did a six to six and I took a deep breath and I , it took me all the
• 1:39:13
  way from six to six to make that inhale.
• 1:39:15
  So yes, I've been, he holding my breath now at the
• 1:39:18
  Linda TJ: back at six.
• 1:39:19
  So, so the reason that I'm, I'm just telling you cuz we normally, what I,
• 1:39:23
  what I didn't say like, I breathe in through my nose, as you mentioned before.
• 1:39:26
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:39:27
  And out, out through the mouth.
• 1:39:30
  Yep.
• 1:39:30
  And so there's a reason for all of this out through the nose
• 1:39:34
  activates the nitric oxid oxide.
• 1:39:36
  So, ah, yeah.
• 1:39:39
  So now when, what I found is, wait a minute, it didn't
• 1:39:43
  feel finished at six to six.
• 1:39:45
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:39:46
  So then we start, what happens if I go a little beyond six?
• 1:39:50
  That's how in the first days in my first books, it was just a little beyond six.
• 1:39:54
  So it went to about eight o'clock.
• 1:39:56
  And then what changed that years later of doing this very successfully,
• 1:40:02
  and publishing several books.
• 1:40:05
  A young man who's a savan came into one of our classes in Germany,
• 1:40:09
  a weekend class for self-help.
• 1:40:11
  And he said, you know, that basic circle of the, and a little more that you're
• 1:40:16
  doing, if you just go to circle on a quarter, that's that golden cut or golden
• 1:40:22
  spiral that's in all of nature and ah,
• 1:40:26
  Rupert Isaacson: the fractal pattern.
• 1:40:28
  Yes.
• 1:40:29
  Linda TJ: And so the thing that was so interesting with that is that it's five.
• 1:40:36
  We, we've now discovered it's five degrees short of one in
• 1:40:39
  a quarter that is in our dna.
• 1:40:43
  It actually can affect our dna.
• 1:40:45
  N it is in all of nature.
• 1:40:47
  It's everywhere.
• 1:40:48
  It's mm
• 1:40:49
  Rupert Isaacson: hmm.
• 1:40:50
  Right.
• 1:40:50
  It's a pattern of three, six, and nine, which is Tesla's,
• 1:40:53
  key to the universe, right?
• 1:40:55
  That all numbers are everything in creation that's creative is.
• 1:41:00
  3, 6 0 9 somehow.
• 1:41:02
  Interesting.
• 1:41:03
  Linda TJ: So now what I, oh, this is, yeah.
• 1:41:06
  So when, so I, I'd started already because it's so hard when we went to
• 1:41:12
  computers and writing so much, it's hard to write, go to six and a little beyond.
• 1:41:17
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:41:18
  So I started saying six and a quarter and I've been writing that for some time.
• 1:41:23
  Oh yeah.
• 1:41:23
  It's just natural to start a stop at that quarter.
• 1:41:27
  Now what it does, I, I sort of got off a 72 minute try it a few times.
• 1:41:33
  If you have these looping thoughts and you can't focus just two, a few of
• 1:41:40
  these, one in a quarter circle while,
• 1:41:41
  Rupert Isaacson: while people have still got their cars stopped.
• 1:41:44
  Yes.
• 1:41:44
  And if you drove off again, now you've gotta pull over again.
• 1:41:46
  Sorry.
• 1:41:47
  Okay.
• 1:41:47
  So pull over again and let's do what should, can you guide us through Yes.
• 1:41:52
  Three of these perhaps?
• 1:41:54
  Would you think that's good?
• 1:41:55
  Yes.
• 1:41:56
  Linda TJ: Okay.
• 1:41:56
  Sit and in through the nostril.
• 1:41:59
  Rupert Isaacson: So, so hold on.
• 1:41:59
  So, so two hands in the center of the heart.
• 1:42:02
  Yes.
• 1:42:02
  One hand in connection with through one's T-shirt to one skin.
• 1:42:06
  Okay.
• 1:42:07
  Yes.
• 1:42:08
  Linda TJ: In through the nostrils and one in around the face of the clock
• 1:42:12
  and out through your purse lips.
• 1:42:15
  And back up to the quarter.
• 1:42:17
  And stop.
• 1:42:20
  take another neck.
• 1:42:21
  Just release your hands a little bit.
• 1:42:23
  Take another deep breath.
• 1:42:25
  And do this in the direction that you prefer and like,
• 1:42:29
  and think of now as you go the last time around, think of something
• 1:42:33
  for which you're very grateful,
• 1:42:38
  something that makes you feel really good and stop.
• 1:42:43
  And what that does from the studies that we've been doing for years,
• 1:42:47
  you can be having these looping thoughts that you can't stop or
• 1:42:51
  you're agitated, something's really bugging you and you can't slow down.
• 1:42:59
  Do this one in a quarter smile because that activates your serotonin.
• 1:43:05
  Yeah.
• 1:43:05
  Just the stretching of your lips.
• 1:43:06
  That's your feel.
• 1:43:07
  Good hormone.
• 1:43:08
  Yeah.
• 1:43:09
  Yeah.
• 1:43:10
  And light contact has been shown in a 2000 person study by the
• 1:43:15
  American Massage Association.
• 1:43:17
  It's been the light contact, not deep pressure activates the most trust hormone.
• 1:43:24
  The ar what?
• 1:43:26
  Oxytocin.
• 1:43:26
  Yeah.
• 1:43:26
  Oxytocin.
• 1:43:27
  Exactly.
• 1:43:28
  And so just the light move and, and it doesn't have to be on your heart.
• 1:43:32
  The reason we started calling it a heart hug was be when I taught it to
• 1:43:36
  these orphans who are alone, living alone, often getting only a lunch meal.
• 1:43:43
  And we were there during the serving of the lunch meal to teach them this.
• 1:43:48
  So when they're afraid you can do this yourself, or, or how many of you get
• 1:43:55
  the things where you have the same few words go over and over, around, through
• 1:43:59
  your head and you can't stop it, right?
• 1:44:01
  That will stop it.
• 1:44:02
  Like, like
• 1:44:04
  now why is it important?
• 1:44:05
  Rut, I wanna give you this.
• 1:44:07
  What the heck?
• 1:44:08
  Why is that useful to us?
• 1:44:11
  Because I imagine the face of the, this clock here, anytime I imagine
• 1:44:17
  anything that activates my right brain and when I put the numbers on
• 1:44:23
  or I have a method, that's why I say toward the shoulder, toward the chin.
• 1:44:27
  That's a method that we do.
• 1:44:29
  And when we have those methods, that activates our logical part
• 1:44:34
  of the brain, and we can't be here together without that logic.
• 1:44:37
  The left side of the brain.
• 1:44:39
  Right on the left side of the brain.
• 1:44:41
  Yeah.
• 1:44:41
  Rupert Isaacson: So what you're talking then about is, is, is,
• 1:44:43
  hemispheric coherence Exactly.
• 1:44:45
  Getting the both sides of the brain to Exactly.
• 1:44:48
  Instead of one taking over from the
• 1:44:49
  Linda TJ: other.
• 1:44:50
  Yeah.
• 1:44:50
  But, and I mean, the logic is so important, but the right brain is
• 1:44:55
  it, this is what I believe makes us human because it's responsible for
• 1:44:59
  our creativity, for our feeling.
• 1:45:02
  And during covid, I mean, so this feeling deficit syndrome was
• 1:45:07
  recognized that we don't feel it.
• 1:45:09
  So many people don't feel anymore.
• 1:45:11
  And so when you ah, do this hard hug and give thanks, give gratitude
• 1:45:17
  for the fact that you can do it, or even that you can imagine it.
• 1:45:23
  And it activates that whole, that it's the intuition, the, the
• 1:45:29
  compassion that we have for others, for ourselves, for the planet, for
• 1:45:34
  our animals, creativity, feeling.
• 1:45:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:45:40
  So that's why we do it.
• 1:45:41
  That's part of, and before you, if you're working with an animal, a dog or
• 1:45:44
  a horse, if you do this before you go to do some exercise you wanna do with
• 1:45:50
  them, that puts you in heart coherence.
• 1:45:54
  It gives you the activity, activity of the fore brain so you can
• 1:45:58
  actually think and feel and heal.
• 1:46:01
  And instead of being under the control of the amygdala, the emotional
• 1:46:05
  part of our brain, which you know, is where we have our, our fear.
• 1:46:11
  Absolutely.
• 1:46:12
  Yeah.
• 1:46:12
  Rupert Isaacson: The, the, we can't for, for, for those listeners who are
• 1:46:17
  unfamiliar with that, the amygdala named after an ormond in Greek, cuz
• 1:46:22
  it's shaped up an ormond, is the part of the brain that governs, fight,
• 1:46:25
  fight and freeze and signals to the body to produce cortisol, which is the
• 1:46:30
  stress hormone as well as adrenaline.
• 1:46:32
  So that you act, you don't think when there's a threat.
• 1:46:34
  But the problem is cortisol is a neurotoxin and it.
• 1:46:38
  Cuts momentarily.
• 1:46:39
  The cord between the back part of the brain and the fore brain, the
• 1:46:42
  prefrontal cortex and the prefrontal cortex is what gives us logic reason,
• 1:46:47
  but also emotional regulation.
• 1:46:49
  So figuring shit out and handling your shit, which are
• 1:46:52
  jolly useful survival tools.
• 1:46:54
  Right.
• 1:46:54
  so what you've done, I think Linda, there has given us a way when we're in our
• 1:46:59
  funk, when we're in our dysfunctional funk, not when we're in the George
• 1:47:04
  Clinton having fun type of funk.
• 1:47:06
  Right.
• 1:47:06
  the, the dysfunction, a way back to brain coherence through serotonin and oxytocin
• 1:47:12
  that is pretty much instantaneous.
• 1:47:16
  I can attest to this, you know, whenever I've tried it on myself, I'd say that
• 1:47:22
  I can get from the dis funk back to the, we want the funk type funk in
• 1:47:31
  approximately five to 15 seconds.
• 1:47:34
  sometimes it might take me three to six repetitions or sometimes
• 1:47:38
  it might happen right away.
• 1:47:40
  But, it's very interesting that your circle and a quarter, your circle and
• 1:47:45
  a bit, there's so many, as you say, the golden ratio, pie is like that.
• 1:47:49
  It's, you know, something and a bit or these irrational numbers
• 1:47:53
  that seem to sequence and have.
• 1:47:56
  effects on our DNA and get, get, repeated all through.
• 1:48:01
  We see it at every level in, in, in, in cosmology.
• 1:48:03
  We see it, we see it everywhere.
• 1:48:06
  and there you are stumbling into it, from having been an 11 month
• 1:48:11
  old girl in yellow knife with her hand on a bear's ear instinctively.
• 1:48:17
  but, and seeing your great-uncle who'd been out to Russia, putting
• 1:48:24
  his hands on the horses with kindness and explaining that however briefly,
• 1:48:30
  and then having this horse gene.
• 1:48:33
  Anyway, of course, you, you, that was a gift.
• 1:48:36
  and then bringing that through, from functional horseman, horsemanship to
• 1:48:44
  refined horsemanship, to then a way of looking at the world and a way of looking
• 1:48:49
  at the horse that didn't just serve you, in your professional career then
• 1:48:53
  with horses, but also helped you, for example, survive a very, very difficult
• 1:48:58
  situation like the one you described with, Tellington, where you could not
• 1:49:02
  only survive it, but you could actually forgive him and love him afterwards,
• 1:49:08
  and then therefore not negate all of the gifts and benefits of that relationship.
• 1:49:14
  not thinking extremes like that, which is.
• 1:49:17
  That would've been understandable, but would not have been as helpful to you.
• 1:49:21
  And then you go on to run this school yourself, and then you end
• 1:49:26
  up in, in Germany and people are watching you touch the horses like
• 1:49:29
  this, and then you discover Feldon Christ and there's a method to it.
• 1:49:33
  But as you say, Feldon crisis, it's quite complex.
• 1:49:36
  and takes quite a long time to learn.
• 1:49:39
  And then realizing that it can be brought down to something simpler
• 1:49:43
  and more direct, through intuition.
• 1:49:46
  I love it.
• 1:49:47
  and here you are giving it to the rest of us.
• 1:49:50
  So you say it's 22 books now in
• 1:49:52
  Linda TJ: 22 books, 16 languages now.
• 1:49:55
  Rupert Isaacson: 22 books and 16 languages.
• 1:49:56
  That's, that's not too shabby.
• 1:49:57
  Linda TJ: I just got my latest one in, Korean, the dog book in
• 1:50:01
  Korean because we've had Korean, people come to us in Hawaii for,
• 1:50:07
  to do our tradings before covid.
• 1:50:10
  I
• 1:50:10
  Rupert Isaacson: have to joke cuz a dog book in Korean could of course be a, a
• 1:50:13
  Kari book as well, but, in North Korean.
• 1:50:16
  But, I'm assuming it's not that.
• 1:50:18
  the, this brings me to where I'd like to go now.
• 1:50:22
  So for those of you who are just discovering Linda, today,
• 1:50:28
  you should go out and you have nothing to do with horses or dogs.
• 1:50:31
  Go anyway and look up tea touch, on Google.
• 1:50:35
  and start to practice some of the basic exercises on yourself, on your loved
• 1:50:41
  ones, because it will, you're gonna find like the rest of us have done that.
• 1:50:45
  It helps an awful lot.
• 1:50:46
  And then from there, you might want to, to go onto a website, which I'll be giving
• 1:50:50
  to you at the end of this, this podcast.
• 1:50:52
  And so, you know, you've been, to say you've been massively
• 1:50:56
  successful is, an understatement.
• 1:50:58
  And also miss, I feel distract from the point of this conversation,
• 1:51:04
  which is again, self-actualization.
• 1:51:07
  I would posit that when you were a girl riding to school in Alberta, or when you
• 1:51:14
  were running this, school withington, or when you were beginning to do your
• 1:51:21
  first writings and explorations, and I, I would very much doubt that you went
• 1:51:28
  into it going, I'm gonna do this cuz this is gonna make me rich and famous.
• 1:51:33
  I would posit that you did it because it was what was in front
• 1:51:37
  of you and inside you to do.
• 1:51:40
  literally.
• 1:51:41
  And the, and the success of it is purely down to its practicality that when
• 1:51:46
  people try it, they go, oh, this works.
• 1:51:48
  I remember hearing, It's a quote from Klaus Balcon Hall, who again,
• 1:51:52
  if, if those people who are not horse people, he was an Olympic dressage
• 1:51:56
  rider from Germany when Germany really began to dominate in the sport
• 1:52:02
  in the late seventies and eighties.
• 1:52:03
  And he, I know, brought you in to his Olympic horses, at a time when
• 1:52:08
  nobody was doing anything like that.
• 1:52:10
  And all the people said, well, it's this new age shit, you know,
• 1:52:12
  da, and he would, I remember him saying, well, she's a white witch.
• 1:52:16
  but I think you would say, no, I'm not a white witch.
• 1:52:18
  what I've, what I've stumbled into is purely something that works on a
• 1:52:22
  cellular level, which anybody can do.
• 1:52:24
  If, if, if, if it relied upon Linda being a white witch, well then it
• 1:52:28
  would only, it would die with Linda.
• 1:52:30
  And it also wouldn't be transferrable from Linda.
• 1:52:33
  But clearly, clearly it is.
• 1:52:36
  and here you are now.
• 1:52:37
  Where do you want to go?
• 1:52:38
  What, what's next?
• 1:52:39
  What, what's, what's on the agenda?
• 1:52:41
  Linda TJ: Well, thanks to Covid, I am so blessed to finally have what I
• 1:52:47
  believe is the answer to how is it with this simple one in a quarter circle.
• 1:52:53
  Anywhere we have a pain, we can reduce that pain in a matter of minutes
• 1:52:59
  or, if we are fearful, we can.
• 1:53:02
  Overcome our fear just with these tea touches around the
• 1:53:06
  outside of the mouth for humans.
• 1:53:08
  You don't have to go inside just around, I mean, this is, think about
• 1:53:12
  this, without this mouth, unless we're in a hospital, we can't survive.
• 1:53:17
  Yeah.
• 1:53:18
  So you can actually reduce your fear.
• 1:53:23
  Just, and, and look, this is a guys with beards, they're so lucky because
• 1:53:27
  this helps you think Yeah, it does.
• 1:53:30
  Rupert Isaacson: We all do this when we think so I'm, I'm,
• 1:53:31
  I'm, I'm stroking my beard.
• 1:53:33
  And what I do when I want to sell sooth is I run, I I massage my jaw.
• 1:53:37
  I've realized, yeah, I scratch my butt, but I can't do that
• 1:53:40
  when I'm in the chair, so,
• 1:53:42
  Linda TJ: alright.
• 1:53:43
  Yeah.
• 1:53:44
  So it, it's all, it's all logic.
• 1:53:47
  It's not, it's, it's the science and spirituality.
• 1:53:50
  That's what gets me.
• 1:53:51
  And finally, thanks to Covid, I've been doing a lot of teaching
• 1:53:55
  online for self self-help.
• 1:53:57
  You can join me for like every Tuesday for two hours.
• 1:54:02
  We havet touch for self-care and, learning how, when you've got a
• 1:54:08
  pain here, like, oh, my husband had a real pain in his neck, like an
• 1:54:12
  eight level out of 10 pain yesterday.
• 1:54:15
  And I just started having him guide me.
• 1:54:17
  Not that I'm telling him.
• 1:54:20
  Oh yeah, I'm gonna fix this.
• 1:54:21
  No, no.
• 1:54:22
  What, where exactly does it hurt?
• 1:54:25
  And what pressure can I use?
• 1:54:28
  Is it very light that you like a little bit more and have him guide
• 1:54:32
  me and in 15 minutes and pain that was on eight level was down to a two
• 1:54:39
  and then it was gone after he got up.
• 1:54:42
  And that's what you can do to yourself.
• 1:54:44
  That's so cool because we have these ways of working with it.
• 1:54:48
  And thanks to Covid Rupert, I now know why this one in the quarter works.
• 1:54:55
  So tell us.
• 1:54:57
  I'm going to tell you, and it's thanks to the influence of this book and all, all
• 1:55:04
  this, these books behind me is the Code of
• 1:55:06
  Rupert Isaacson: Authentic Living, cellular Wisdom
• 1:55:10
  Linda TJ: by Right, and it's written by Joan C.
• 1:55:13
  King.
• 1:55:14
  And what's interesting, she was, for 20 years, she was a cell biologist at
• 1:55:18
  Tufts University of Medicine and she heard a legend that, caused her to quit.
• 1:55:28
  Being a professor and take it into authentic living.
• 1:55:32
  And this book is about exactly how the cells work.
• 1:55:36
  And what's so interesting, I had the great honor and pleasure of
• 1:55:40
  co-teaching a workshop with Dr.
• 1:55:42
  Bruce Lipton in Vienna about six years ago.
• 1:55:45
  I brought T Touch and he brought his magic.
• 1:55:48
  And
• 1:55:48
  Rupert Isaacson: who is Dr.
• 1:55:49
  Bruce Lip Lipton for those who dunno.
• 1:55:53
  Linda TJ: Oh, he was, he is one of our visionaries in bringing
• 1:55:59
  science to, to the rest of us.
• 1:56:03
  and he was, he taught bio cell biology at, Stanford University for years.
• 1:56:08
  And then he, he found in his first book, the bi biology of Belief, he found,
• 1:56:13
  he wrote that what was being taught was so old and so out of date that he
• 1:56:19
  had to leave that and become vision.
• 1:56:22
  What we now know him as a visionary, doing these wonderful,
• 1:56:26
  you can go online and find him.
• 1:56:28
  You do yourself a favor and look up Dr.
• 1:56:31
  Lipton.
• 1:56:32
  And, so he's interested in animals too.
• 1:56:35
  So he knew what I did with, with, of course, with dogs
• 1:56:38
  and horses and he loves dogs.
• 1:56:40
  And so he showed me on his computer, he showed me that every cell in the body
• 1:56:47
  has a huge number of known functions.
• 1:56:52
  Like I, the number I remember is a hundred thousand.
• 1:56:54
  I've gotta check again to make sure this is correct.
• 1:56:57
  But in this book, she describes all of the amazing functions that are known.
• 1:57:02
  But what's not known is what causes, what's behind all these functions.
• 1:57:08
  And on the back of this book is the answer to that.
• 1:57:13
  And I'm, it's, it's, it's a Hindu legend, and I'm just
• 1:57:18
  going to tell you for time sake.
• 1:57:20
  So the legend goes, and at one time on this planet, every human
• 1:57:26
  could had the power of a God.
• 1:57:28
  They could do anything.
• 1:57:30
  And then human can kind began to abuse that power.
• 1:57:35
  And the head Brahman, Hindu Brahman, said, we have to stop this.
• 1:57:41
  We cannot allow the world to be damaged in this way.
• 1:57:45
  And so I said, we're going to take away this power from humankind.
• 1:57:49
  And so they had this big powwow and they got together and they
• 1:57:53
  said, okay, who has an idea?
• 1:57:54
  How can we get, how can we hide this power that everyone has?
• 1:57:58
  And one said, I know we'll take it to the highest mountain and we'll
• 1:58:01
  climb up there and we'll leave it.
• 1:58:03
  Nobody will find it.
• 1:58:04
  No head.
• 1:58:04
  Brahman said.
• 1:58:05
  Of course, humankind is very, intelligent.
• 1:58:09
  They'll find it.
• 1:58:09
  Another one said, we'll go to the deepest ocean, part of the ocean.
• 1:58:13
  We'll drop it there.
• 1:58:13
  No, no, no.
• 1:58:14
  They'll find it.
• 1:58:15
  Then another said, I know we'll go to the deepest cave known on the planet
• 1:58:19
  and dig deeper and hide it there.
• 1:58:21
  No, no, they'll find it.
• 1:58:22
  He sat for a long time quietly just listening.
• 1:58:26
  And then he said, I know where we'll hide it inside.
• 1:58:31
  They'll never find it.
• 1:58:32
  And so the legend goes that since that time, humankind has been running up the
• 1:58:36
  mountains, digging in the dirt, diving in the ocean, looking for this power that's
• 1:58:41
  always right here and why this is so.
• 1:58:44
  When I read that, I thought my Christian friends are not going to be interested
• 1:58:48
  in a human, in, in, in a Brahman legend.
• 1:58:51
  And so I called a friend of mine who knows the Bible really well and is a minister.
• 1:58:55
  And I said, where does it say that in the Bible?
• 1:58:58
  And he said, in the new King James version, Luke 17 lines 20
• 1:59:03
  and 21, the kingdom of of God is within you and all around you.
• 1:59:08
  And it depends which version you read, exactly how that said.
• 1:59:12
  But what I've since found, Rupert, it's in every religion it's in.
• 1:59:17
  It's not just, it's everywhere.
• 1:59:19
  It's this understanding that the God was within.
• 1:59:23
  But in some places of Bible, we don't wanna be given that power because we are.
• 1:59:28
  We're living manifestations of the divine universal intelligence.
• 1:59:35
  And so I realized with this one in a quarter circle that's in all of nature.
• 1:59:39
  It's like, turning a key to enter into this amazing body that we have where every
• 1:59:47
  cell knows its dysfunction in the body.
• 1:59:50
  And when we have fear or dysfunction, the communication between the
• 1:59:55
  cells is inhibited, which is so beautifully discussed in Dr.
• 2:00:00
  Bruce Lipton's book, spon, spontaneous evolution.
• 2:00:03
  So this communication between the cells, and that's what started me on this
• 2:00:08
  whole thing, you're going to develop a form of communication itself that
• 2:00:12
  that's, that goes around the world.
• 2:00:15
  And this is the communication between us here, between us and ourselves,
• 2:00:22
  you know, between ourselves.
• 2:00:24
  It's, that's all communication.
• 2:00:26
  And when we realize, wait a minute, we can just open ourselves to this phenomenal
• 2:00:35
  information that is in the quantum field.
• 2:00:39
  And if you don't know that, find one of the books by Dr.
• 2:00:43
  not by, by Greg Grayden in his book, the Divine Matrix or the Field.
• 2:00:49
  It's you will get a whole other understanding of who
• 2:00:53
  you are and what your life is.
• 2:00:56
  What you're hear about when you, when you read his books,
• 2:00:59
  Rupert Isaacson: it's so, yeah.
• 2:01:00
  I've listened to some of his podcasts that he, he's, he's quite extraordinary.
• 2:01:04
  Amazing.
• 2:01:05
  Linda TJ: Yeah.
• 2:01:05
  And those two, Bruce and Bruce Lipton and Greg Braden do a lot of things
• 2:01:09
  together, which are life changing.
• 2:01:12
  I'd love to meet you and go there with you and IA one day.
• 2:01:16
  Let's do it.
• 2:01:18
  It'll be really fun.
• 2:01:20
  so you see where I am, I'm totally inspired about this.
• 2:01:23
  You know, we're all miracles and that's how I see our animals and ourselves.
• 2:01:28
  And when we have something wrong with us, instead of seeing
• 2:01:31
  what's wrong, wait a minute.
• 2:01:33
  We can visualize the light in ourselves and we can actually either
• 2:01:37
  do it with our mind as you get from, you know, so many of these.
• 2:01:42
  Wonderful, we've got so many visionaries out there talking about how you can
• 2:01:45
  affect yourself just from what you think.
• 2:01:48
  Yeah.
• 2:01:49
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
• 2:01:51
  Where does Covid come into this for you?
• 2:01:55
  Linda TJ: Covid was a life game changer for me because, during that
• 2:01:59
  time when we couldn't teach and couldn't be traveling around the world.
• 2:02:02
  My sister Robin Hood, who's 14 years younger than I am, of course
• 2:02:07
  you have a sister called Robinhood.
• 2:02:08
  Yeah, yeah, I do.
• 2:02:10
  Because our family name is Hood and I got to name her.
• 2:02:14
  She and my niece, Mandy, pretty, they put together our work online.
• 2:02:20
  So you can go to learn.detach.ca for Canada and you can get a
• 2:02:26
  free introduction to this Learn,
• 2:02:28
  Rupert Isaacson: sorry, www dot Yeah, learn, learn l e r n dot tto.
• 2:02:36
  T two Ts is it, and then o u c h TTouch, right?
• 2:02:41
  C a ca for Canada.
• 2:02:43
  Got it.
• 2:02:43
  Okay.
• 2:02:44
  Linda TJ: And my sister and Mandy have been putting out these wonderful courses,
• 2:02:48
  short courses that you can take online.
• 2:02:51
  So besides having practitioners all around where you can, you can see if
• 2:02:54
  you can get a, a teacher practitioner, you can read one of my books, which
• 2:02:58
  are all on Amazon, or you can go to that website and get an introduction.
• 2:03:05
  And Rupert, you are always my inspiration.
• 2:03:08
  I have to tell you this, the time that I have spent with you and Liliana and the
• 2:03:12
  amazing work you do with your horses, it's just been life changing for me.
• 2:03:17
  I, I can't tell you how much I appreciate and how much I love coming on and hearing
• 2:03:21
  your thinking and your questions and what you bring to the world and your books.
• 2:03:26
  If anybody has not read your books, like I, every book of you,
• 2:03:30
  I start and I can't put it down.
• 2:03:32
  And I just thank you for gifting the world with your thinking and what you've done.
• 2:03:40
  Rupert Isaacson: That's.
• 2:03:42
  Extraordinarily high praise, and I wasn't expecting that.
• 2:03:45
  And thank you.
• 2:03:46
  thank you.
• 2:03:47
  Thank you very much.
• 2:03:48
  I remember the first time, I heard that you were even interested in our work.
• 2:03:53
  We were in Wales, me and ia, intensively learning the old master system of dressage
• 2:04:00
  and go bopping between there and Portugal and other places on our apprenticeship.
• 2:04:05
  And she came and she said, Linda Tanton Jones has just contacted us and
• 2:04:10
  is sort of interest, sort of vaguely interested in the horse boy stuff.
• 2:04:13
  And I, that's extraordinary, because she's in the stratosphere
• 2:04:18
  and we are these people grubbing about on their hippie margins.
• 2:04:22
  and I've always felt e extremely, honored and grateful, I have to say.
• 2:04:25
  just to, just to know you let alone, to be introduced to the healing methodologies.
• 2:04:32
  If somebody wants to become, to do more than, learn some techniques for
• 2:04:36
  themselves and their horses and they actually want to become a practitioner
• 2:04:39
  of TE Touch, what do they need to do?
• 2:04:43
  Linda TJ: Well, we're just getting to that point that you, you
• 2:04:45
  can do a lot of it online now.
• 2:04:47
  That's a beautiful part.
• 2:04:48
  And then we have these workshops and they're all listed on our websites, so,
• 2:04:54
  And I am dropping back and just doing mostly, like this online because it's so
• 2:05:00
  much fun for me to share and to have so many of, we have wonderful practitioners
• 2:05:05
  out there who can teach this.
• 2:05:09
  And, and for me, getting to spend time with you and getting to spend time
• 2:05:13
  online where we can even reach out, you know, to people who are in Iceland and
• 2:05:19
  parts of Africa where they can never get the chance to get to a practitioner.
• 2:05:26
  Rupert Isaacson: Linda, you yourself got Covid.
• 2:05:28
  how did that inform your practice?
• 2:05:31
  How did, how did Te Touch help you, phy, you know, physician heal thyself,
• 2:05:38
  that old adage, what insights did you gain from your own experience with it?
• 2:05:44
  Linda TJ: Well, what Covid brought to me when I went into Covid,
• 2:05:47
  I have videos of me doing this.
• 2:05:51
  It's a, it's an exercise where you, practice your,
• 2:05:55
  your ability to be flexible.
• 2:06:00
  And I was really good.
• 2:06:01
  I could get up and down on the floor, I could do all this stuff.
• 2:06:04
  And then what I began to discover is I was getting stiffer from not getting out
• 2:06:09
  and being with people and doing things.
• 2:06:11
  Okay.
• 2:06:13
  And, then I, I've, for years, I've been really careful about checking
• 2:06:17
  my blood levels and my, the, making sure that I don't have stuff in
• 2:06:23
  my body that I shouldn't have.
• 2:06:24
  So I wound up about four years ago being diagnosed with Epstein
• 2:06:28
  Bar and with, Hashimotos.
• 2:06:32
  And 25 years ago I got rid of chronic fatigue using the, radionics
• 2:06:38
  machine and just working with a, a doctor who just had me on a
• 2:06:45
  vegetable diet and worming medicine.
• 2:06:48
  Okay.
• 2:06:48
  Which is really important for all of us.
• 2:06:50
  Anybody who eats vegetables or, or is around animals should be wormed.
• 2:06:55
  Like we were more animals.
• 2:06:57
  And so, anyway, through Covid, I found out I was, you know,
• 2:07:02
  getting stiffer and slower.
• 2:07:04
  That was the downside.
• 2:07:05
  And so, i, what I have to say more the gift that, that it's
• 2:07:10
  brought to me because, because we were doing so much online every
• 2:07:14
  Tuesday and one Sunday a month.
• 2:07:18
  We practicing taking care of each other.
• 2:07:22
  Like people would say, oh my gosh, this, this arm is in spasm.
• 2:07:26
  I can't get to a doctor, I can't get outta spasm.
• 2:07:29
  So I could have everybody in the class do this, just try this.
• 2:07:35
  Just put one hand on your arm, make, move, like cup your hand and move the tissue and
• 2:07:45
  just do a slow lift up, ah, and just lift your shoulder a little bit and hold it.
• 2:07:53
  And then slowly, slowly, slowly release it and feel the, like some of you'll
• 2:08:02
  feel it just this little release in it because we get so tight sitting
• 2:08:09
  at our computers and, not having the you with, because you had horses.
• 2:08:15
  So you never went through that isolation, did you?
• 2:08:18
  Rupert Isaacson: No.
• 2:08:18
  In fact, weirdly, covid ended up being one of the busiest times for
• 2:08:22
  us because you could still go to the barn to exercise your horses.
• 2:08:25
  And then everyone we knew got bored and wanted to buy a horse.
• 2:08:28
  And then suddenly all the other work we did dried up.
• 2:08:31
  But suddenly we were riding instructors because, Right.
• 2:08:35
  Wanted to do, yeah.
• 2:08:36
  So we were in the, in the forest the whole time.
• 2:08:38
  Yeah.
• 2:08:38
  cause you know, being in the arena was sometimes allowed, sometimes not allowed.
• 2:08:41
  So it was a strange, the.
• 2:08:44
  Functional time for us, but I do know that that was not everyone else's, experience.
• 2:08:49
  Linda TJ: Yeah.
• 2:08:49
  So what I learned by doing this, just like you and I are a person that could
• 2:08:54
  have like, like one thing with a knee, for instance, bone on bone, couldn't
• 2:08:59
  get the surgery, had no one to take care of her when she could have gotten it.
• 2:09:05
  And so I just guided her with these little tiny, what we call raccoon touches and
• 2:09:10
  to find out, she was just thinking it was her knee, but it was actually, if you
• 2:09:16
  just feel gently, where is it painful?
• 2:09:20
  And I would fall, I just had her follow it down and in, and then she found out, oh
• 2:09:26
  wow, that's sore all the way down my leg.
• 2:09:29
  And then you go off the area.
• 2:09:31
  That's, so, that's sore.
• 2:09:33
  And just with the gentleness movements of whatever part of your fingers
• 2:09:37
  you can use, it's just like moving the tissue as lightly as possible
• 2:09:41
  in this one and a quarter movement.
• 2:09:45
  And it's like connecting into this intelligence, this, whatever you wanna
• 2:09:50
  call it, divine sourced, universal God intelligence, that we are every cell.
• 2:09:57
  That's been science.
• 2:09:58
  That's the science behind that is totally proven.
• 2:10:01
  Rupert Isaacson: So it's interesting that, you know, yeah.
• 2:10:03
  You're not, you're not saying, okay, well I'm, I'm, I'm
• 2:10:05
  superhuman because of all this.
• 2:10:06
  You, you've gone through chronic fatigue, you've gone through
• 2:10:09
  Epstein Bar, you've gone through.
• 2:10:10
  Hashimotos and Hashimotos, as we know, is a thyroid thing.
• 2:10:13
  It something one lives with rather than gets rid of, but some people, present
• 2:10:20
  it, rather obviously some people do not.
• 2:10:22
  I would, I would never have thought that to, to know you and look at you and see
• 2:10:25
  how active and vital you, you always are.
• 2:10:27
  I'm always astonished that you are getting off planes and dealing with jet
• 2:10:32
  lag and, and, and, and doing all this stuff When you got Covid, you, like
• 2:10:39
  quite a lot of people who got covid ended up with a sort of a long covid.
• 2:10:42
  but you have also managed to keep traveling.
• 2:10:45
  I just met you in, now I'm talking to you in, in, Jusa, Florida, but I not so
• 2:10:50
  long ago was talking to you in Germany.
• 2:10:53
  how has Te touch allowed you to deal with that long covid and what of
• 2:11:00
  the long covid do you suffer from?
• 2:11:04
  How much of the TTouch do you use to alleviate suffering and how much
• 2:11:08
  do you use for general maintenance?
• 2:11:10
  And what's, what's the equation?
• 2:11:13
  Linda TJ: Well, the equation here is looking from all sides.
• 2:11:17
  What can I do with TTouch, with my, you know, when I get anxious that I'm
• 2:11:21
  foggy-headed, I can do the heart hug.
• 2:11:25
  And breathe and bring myself into calmness.
• 2:11:29
  But what's really important, because I'm 85 and this covid has
• 2:11:34
  affected many people, much younger than I am in ways that would be
• 2:11:38
  later, it affects the hearing.
• 2:11:41
  So I'm really paying attention, Rupert, to, you know, what's being said now is
• 2:11:46
  that our, our hearing or if you have tinnitus, which I've had for about
• 2:11:51
  seven years, that affects our memory.
• 2:11:54
  And I was getting really anxious because my memory, I am so usually
• 2:11:59
  names and times and places are at my fingertips that I was losing them and
• 2:12:04
  that was making me really anxious.
• 2:12:06
  So, it's through this light, oxytocin, light contact to activate the oxytocin.
• 2:12:14
  And this one in a quarter circle thing.
• 2:12:16
  Wait a minute, I can connect into this divine intelligence in my body.
• 2:12:23
  And then, but I need way more than that, you all.
• 2:12:26
  I am.
• 2:12:27
  I went to Costco and I got my hearing tested and everybody said, oh, come
• 2:12:31
  on Linda, why are you doing that?
• 2:12:33
  Because you're, you don't have a problem with hearing.
• 2:12:35
  Well, I wasn't aware of it, but when I went and did the covid
• 2:12:38
  testing, which I really recommend, they give you re amazing, everybody
• 2:12:43
  says it's the best you can get.
• 2:12:45
  I had a mild to extreme hearing loss, and they say that's what
• 2:12:50
  causes us to lose our memory.
• 2:12:54
  Okay, so I'm, so I'm wrestling with that, you all.
• 2:12:58
  And also, I'm, I did a sleep apnea test because who would ever think
• 2:13:03
  that you wouldn't get enough oxygen at night unless you're paying attention?
• 2:13:07
  So that can have to do with my Epstein bar.
• 2:13:11
  So, and I go to integrative doctors and I use whatever, all kinds of different ways.
• 2:13:16
  I get IV glutathione, which, ah, how often do you do that?
• 2:13:24
  Oh, a couple of times.
• 2:13:26
  At least once a month, sometimes twice.
• 2:13:29
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
• 2:13:29
  Okay.
• 2:13:30
  I'm just, I, I have a, a bit of a knowledge of glutathione only
• 2:13:34
  because, for those of us who've lived with, children with autism, there
• 2:13:38
  can be, when we had Rowan, my oldest son, who was autistic, tested in
• 2:13:44
  the early days for various things, it turned out that he did lack, a
• 2:13:47
  gene, that produced, glutathione.
• 2:13:51
  And we gave him glutathione, which is some people may know, is a collating agent.
• 2:13:56
  It washes, it's, it's a natural product that your body produces to wash toxins
• 2:14:01
  and other bad things out of your system.
• 2:14:04
  so you, and so we would give him glutathione and then at a certain
• 2:14:07
  point it, it seemed that we could stop.
• 2:14:09
  How long have you been taking glutathione?
• 2:14:11
  That's interesting.
• 2:14:13
  Linda TJ: Well, I started taking it in the liquid form three years ago, and I'm
• 2:14:19
  going to test for it again because I just found, a place where I can get it iv.
• 2:14:23
  So I've done six of those.
• 2:14:26
  And that's the question is how much you need?
• 2:14:28
  I don't know.
• 2:14:29
  I mean, I think that when your body's suffering from, you know, Epstein Bar
• 2:14:34
  and this, and long covid, which we don't know, but I'm, I'm, today I'm
• 2:14:38
  going to be in touch with my, I have a friend, in Germany who's a really
• 2:14:42
  wonderful integrative doctor, and I, she has two horses and I trade her
• 2:14:49
  support with her horses and she gives me support with all our blood work.
• 2:14:53
  And, you know, the thinking of of, how do you affect your body without the drugs?
• 2:15:01
  Rupert Isaacson: You know, what I, what I love about this, Linda, is,
• 2:15:03
  is so often when one is, talking with people who are, practitioners of,
• 2:15:11
  let's say alternative health, there's often a feeling I think, among them
• 2:15:15
  that they have to present themselves as shiny examples of perfect health.
• 2:15:20
  Otherwise, people won't.
• 2:15:21
  Believe in what they do.
• 2:15:22
  They'll be like, well, you're sick, so how can your stuff?
• 2:15:24
  But what I love is that you can wear this on your sleeve and say, no,
• 2:15:28
  no, I, I get sick like anybody else.
• 2:15:29
  Mm-hmm.
• 2:15:30
  I get, I get the same things that other people do.
• 2:15:32
  but I've got this busy work schedule.
• 2:15:34
  I kind of have to keep going.
• 2:15:35
  I have to keep getting on planes.
• 2:15:37
  when I, you know, up until a couple of years ago, listeners, Linda was
• 2:15:42
  living in Hawaii, but, you know, spending half the year touring
• 2:15:46
  Europe, I, I dunno how you did the jet lag and the, and the exhaustion.
• 2:15:51
  Linda TJ: love flying.
• 2:15:53
  Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
• 2:15:54
  but yet there you are, sort of showing, look, if, if you manage
• 2:15:59
  yourself, yes, you can get these things.
• 2:16:03
  These things are sort of natural things to get, but it doesn't have
• 2:16:07
  to stop you and it doesn't have to impair your quality of life.
• 2:16:13
  Linda TJ: Well, that is the question and that I think it's why we need
• 2:16:16
  to talk about these because there are days when I'm really foggy
• 2:16:19
  and I'm what they've discovered.
• 2:16:21
  Now recently there have been big, conferences in Germany
• 2:16:24
  with the integrative, doctors finding out that there are.
• 2:16:30
  Protein strands apparently in the blood of people with long covid.
• 2:16:34
  So I want to know if I can be tested for that, cuz I'd love to know, because if
• 2:16:39
  you know that, then you can start using the energy and talking about how we can
• 2:16:43
  affect, you know, the light in ourselves, bringing light into the fogginess in
• 2:16:48
  the head and talking to other friends who have it and managed to keep going.
• 2:16:53
  Yeah, that's my, that's my question.
• 2:16:56
  Rupert Isaacson: You know, it's interesting, what springs to mind is,
• 2:16:58
  I, I forget where they did this study.
• 2:17:01
  You know, you read these studies, but it was a study on, monks and nuns, I think
• 2:17:07
  Christian monks and nuns, who didn't appear, who were very old, who didn't
• 2:17:10
  appear to be suffering the effects of dementia or, Alzheimer's, et cetera.
• 2:17:17
  But when they looked at their brains, the, the same brain shrinkage and the
• 2:17:22
  same, apparent brain degradation had happened, yet they were not really
• 2:17:27
  showing much that was symptomatic.
• 2:17:31
  But yet there they were engaging with nature, working in the gardens, leading
• 2:17:35
  a very spiritual life, leading a very actualized life, at least on their terms.
• 2:17:39
  connected in a, in a community, strong, connection with the
• 2:17:45
  divine, strong intellectual life.
• 2:17:48
  And what was interesting is that on paper they had the same issues to
• 2:17:54
  the same extent that people with a grossly deteriorated, quality of
• 2:17:59
  iPad, yet they did not have this grossly deteriorated quality of life.
• 2:18:03
  And I find this fascinating and I, there's, there seems to be a parallel
• 2:18:06
  there with what you're talking about that you can have, no one would look
• 2:18:10
  at you, I'm looking at you right now, the listeners can't see you.
• 2:18:12
  But I do not see somebody, or nor am I hearing somebody who I would
• 2:18:16
  describe in any degree as foggy.
• 2:18:19
  But there you are saying Maru, you know, there are days when I am.
• 2:18:23
  I love this honesty because it gives us faith that we could manage ourselves to,
• 2:18:32
  Linda TJ: well, I think, and for me, having, having this concept that I
• 2:18:36
  can put my own hands, melt my hands on my body, and we didn't talk about
• 2:18:42
  the how we've named the different parts of the hands that we use to
• 2:18:45
  make this one in a quarter circle.
• 2:18:47
  we've given them animal names.
• 2:18:49
  But you see during Covid, there were two interesting things that came up for me.
• 2:18:54
  It was said that there's a real, happening of what's
• 2:18:59
  called feeling deficit syndrome.
• 2:19:01
  That people weren't feeling themselves, weren't feeling their bodies.
• 2:19:04
  Hmm.
• 2:19:05
  Because we don't shake hands and hugging all that mingling.
• 2:19:08
  And the other thing it said was, The nature deficit syndrome.
• 2:19:12
  Yeah.
• 2:19:12
  For those who weren't having horses, they could go out or couldn't
• 2:19:16
  walk their dog or didn't walk.
• 2:19:17
  Their dog stuck inside.
• 2:19:20
  But for me it's also, I don't know what you just said about
• 2:19:24
  the nuns being in a community.
• 2:19:26
  I've had, I had, I had what they call a mini-stroke, which is actually a t i
• 2:19:32
  a I had it on, what does t I stand for?
• 2:19:35
  Oh, I forget.
• 2:19:36
  I forget the word.
• 2:19:36
  It's, I dunno.
• 2:19:39
  We'll look it up.
• 2:19:39
  Yeah, don't mind.
• 2:19:40
  Yeah.
• 2:19:41
  It, it's a word I should memorize and I, I can't remember it, but it's, it
• 2:19:45
  just, it's a warning for a stroke.
• 2:19:48
  And the thing is, I had no.
• 2:19:51
  I had, there was no clotting and no bleeding.
• 2:19:55
  They don't know what caused it, which is it to me.
• 2:19:58
  It was a wake up call.
• 2:19:59
  So that's when I said, okay, man, I'm getting my ears tested.
• 2:20:03
  I'm getting my, sleep apnea, and I'm just waiting.
• 2:20:06
  And I've been talking to me, quite a few friends.
• 2:20:08
  I found out who have these dap things, and, and because when they tested me,
• 2:20:14
  Rupert, I told you this before, I was found during the night to have like
• 2:20:19
  many episodes of only 68% oxygen.
• 2:20:23
  And the thing it is so wild is that I woke up with dreams like
• 2:20:29
  five, six years ago in Hawaii.
• 2:20:31
  I kept waking up and I said to Roland, I have to get more oxygen.
• 2:20:36
  And I tried to rent an oxygen machine, but you know, you have to have a doctor
• 2:20:40
  and you have to know what you're doing.
• 2:20:41
  And it's very expensive if you don't have insurance or have a doctor's prescription.
• 2:20:47
  So finally, I'm waiting here for this cpap.
• 2:20:50
  When I say foggy, I don't know what that means.
• 2:20:53
  It's sometimes I feel like I'm not in my body and that's when I can use TTouch.
• 2:20:58
  But as soon as I start talking to you and I think of all the people
• 2:21:01
  that we're reaching, talking, then I get clear and I'm connected.
• 2:21:06
  It's like I'm connected into that oneness of all.
• 2:21:10
  So I, I have the.
• 2:21:12
  Feeling of the community and this connection to all of us.
• 2:21:16
  Mm-hmm.
• 2:21:16
  And so I, I, my sister came for two weeks and I have another sister
• 2:21:20
  here now for another two weeks.
• 2:21:22
  And I need friends around me because this is one of the things that they
• 2:21:27
  say is you get isolated, you know, when you have a stroke or you have something
• 2:21:32
  like this and you're not as useful.
• 2:21:33
  Oh, good.
• 2:21:33
  Does
• 2:21:33
  Rupert Isaacson: that mean I can invite myself with my, rambunctious
• 2:21:36
  children to, come and disrupt your life in Duke of Florida?
• 2:21:39
  Linda TJ: Well, I'd love to have you when we get our, guest house
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  built, but with you, can you and Liliana, we have room prayer.
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  You without the children.
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  When we get the guest house built, now they can come down our slide
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  cuz we have a pool with a slide.
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  Ooh.
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  That was built for two children.
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  Okay.
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  Rupert Isaacson: I can supply.
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  listen, Linda, here's my, my request.
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  we're, we're, you know, right at a two and a half hours here.
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  And, there's so much more I want to talk to you about.
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  As I said at the before, when we're doing our preamble, we have another
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  podcast, which is Equine Assisted World.
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  And obviously you have been in this world and a pioneer in
• 2:22:18
  this world for the longest time.
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  Now we, we have sort of the history of how you became you and what you do.
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  Would you do us the honor of coming on.
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  To equine assisted world, in the next week or two.
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  Absolutely.
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  It's in more depth.
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  We can re Cause as you say, we didn't get into the different parts of the hand.
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  There's, we've, we've barely touched on what TTouch is.
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  We've really just said that it exists.
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  and given some people an idea of a first contact.
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  but I think we'd be doing listeners a disservice if we didn't.
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  you know, when, when I'm out there training Horse Boy Method,
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  for example, I'm always saying, have you discovered Te Touch?
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  You know, and there's always a percentage of people that go, oh yes,
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  absolutely then, and then there's people of course who say, oh, what's that?
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  And it's always my great pleasure to say, it's a thing you should know, . So,
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  would you, would you please come on again and we can go into more depth?
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  Linda TJ: Rupert is such an honor and a pleasure for me to spend time with you.
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  I, and I love your questions always, but I, I just, I have to tell you, I have
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  a lot of books here and so many people have influenced my books, but the books
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  that stand out in my mind that cannot put this book down were your books.
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  You are, and the the Long Ride Home, holy moly.
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  All of your experiences.
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  But it's the way you express yourself.
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  Listeners, you have to get those books.
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  I mean, your courage, but your, your, your Wordman Smith, I'm, I'm a wordsmith.
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  I just love words and the way you use it.
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  Like nobody.
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  Nobody I know, Robert, thank you.
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  You get a, a motion in in these words that you put.
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  It just jumps out of the page at me.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Thank you.
• 2:24:06
  speaking of books, if people were to pick up a book by you, you got
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  22 of them, where should they start?
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  What's the book that they should pick up to understand you and your
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  work at at least as a beginning step?
• 2:24:22
  Linda TJ: Well, maybe my latest, it depends if they're in the horses or dogs.
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  My latest horse book, I wrote with my new Mandy
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  what is this one?
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  This is called training and retraining the Tellington Way.
• 2:24:39
  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
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  Training and retraining horses the tellington way.
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  Very good.
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  And people can find that on Amazon.
• 2:24:45
  Amazon, right.
• 2:24:46
  And then if they're into dogs, What should they, what should they read your dogs?
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  Linda TJ: where's my dog book?
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  Get the exact title.
• 2:24:54
  I've got so many books here.
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  so it's getting in tea, touch with your dog, tea touch with
• 2:25:01
  Rupert Isaacson: your dog,
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  Linda TJ: getting, getting in tea, touch with your dog,
• 2:25:04
  Rupert Isaacson: getting int touch with your dog, getting int touch with your dog.
• 2:25:09
  Linda TJ: Right.
• 2:25:09
  Okay.
• 2:25:10
  And if they're, if they're into human, it's tea.
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  Touch for Healthcare.
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  Tea
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  Rupert Isaacson: Touch for healthcare.
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  So if you're, just enter this for a human point of view.
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  T touch for healthcare.
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  Right.
• 2:25:25
  Perfect.
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  And let's just give people your u r url again, your website again to Yes.
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  Linda TJ: To get the classes you go to learn.ttouch.ca.
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  Rupert Isaacson: Www dot learn dot TTouch.
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  Yes.
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  Ca got it.
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  Right.
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  Okay.
• 2:25:46
  Alright, Linda, thank you.
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  I must go.
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  I have someone who's in the saddle who'll be expecting me there in 15 minutes.
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  I just jump in the car and go, otherwise, I'll be crossed.
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  enjoy.
• 2:25:59
  I cannot thank you enough for this.
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  It's been such a treat.
• 2:26:04
  I know our listeners will feel the same and I can't wait to have you back on,
• 2:26:08
  but equine assisted world to go deeper into Tito Touch and how it works,
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  Linda TJ: I look forward to it and I look forward to sharing
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  the stuff I did for years before there was ever an association.
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  Rupert Isaacson: All right.
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  Let's do it.
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  See you soon.
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  Okay.
• 2:26:21
  Okay.
• 2:26:21
  Much, much love.
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  Bye.
• 2:26:23
  Bye-Bye.
• 2:26:24
  Linda TJ: Aloha
• 2:26:25
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• 2:26:26
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