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Credlin | 28 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Tell you what I'm with Danika di Giorgio. The debate
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Speaker 2: about welcome to country acknowledgment of country.
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Speaker 3: Has been going on for years and years. Nothing to
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Speaker 3: do with the Nazis. Welcome to the program here.
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Speaker 2: What's coming up tonight on Kredlin A big days say
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Speaker 2: for the opposition. The new Coldition agreement has been struck
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Speaker 2: and Susan Lee's a front bench unveiled, notable omissions, some
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Speaker 2: worthy appointments too. Senator Justintanampijipper Price, she's still there or
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Speaker 2: being demoted though she joins me in a moment, clearly
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Speaker 2: not concerned about public perception. Labor rams up its criticism
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Speaker 2: at Israel, with one very big Labor luminary going so
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Speaker 2: far as to call for sanctions and the recognition of
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Speaker 2: a Palestinian state now without a two state solution.
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Speaker 3: Now funny like this on energy and Israel.
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Speaker 2: The election's over and Labour's position is clear class des
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Speaker 2: by the Victorian governor already progressing a treaty. There's individual
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Speaker 2: that Aboriginal groups now pushing for their own treaties at
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Speaker 2: a local level.
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Speaker 3: This is going to get a.
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Speaker 2: Whole lot more divisive, and it didn't take long for
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Speaker 2: the journalist to seize on some of new leader Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee's appointments today as a large number of Conservatives were
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Speaker 2: demoted or dropped.
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Speaker 4: These appointments, as have been aget square.
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Speaker 5: Process, absolutely not not going to reflect on the qualities
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Speaker 5: of individuals with respect to the qualities of other individuals.
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Speaker 3: We will stay with that issue.
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Speaker 2: Today, the Liberals and the Nationals reform the federal Coalition
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Speaker 2: and recommitted to some form of support for nuclear energy.
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee said that the coalition would play its part
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Speaker 2: in combating climate change, but she says there's a line
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Speaker 2: she won't cross.
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Speaker 5: We have to play as a country our part in
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Speaker 5: the global response to climate change. Net zero, Paris, targets gas,
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Speaker 5: all of the resources, conversations around critical mitals, they're all
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Speaker 5: part of that. We have to get this right. We
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Speaker 5: have to play our part, but we have to make
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Speaker 5: sure that we don't do it at any cost.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so far, so good, but only if she stands
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Speaker 2: up to all the left wing liberals she's just put
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Speaker 2: onto her front bench, because there does seem to be
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Speaker 2: a real factional payback element in the formation of her
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Speaker 2: shadow ministry. Well, Sarah Henderson she's gone. Claire Chandler, she's gone.
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Speaker 2: Jane Hume has gone too, albeit not a conservative like
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Speaker 2: the other two women, but presumably that's for punishment over
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Speaker 2: the work from home policy that Lee herself, as Deputy
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Speaker 2: leader at the time, would also have endorsed, but perhaps
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Speaker 2: most surprisingly, just into an Ambijipi price, probably the best
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Speaker 2: warrior the coalition's got. Well, she's been dumped from the
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Speaker 2: shadow Cabinet. She's now in the outer shadow Ministry, in
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Speaker 2: the Defense Industry portfolio. Now an important role, to be sure,
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Speaker 2: but not one that's exactly going to give her the
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Speaker 2: scope to speak our on all the big issues facing
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Speaker 2: our country. And for all these talk about women, for
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Speaker 2: all the hand rigging in recent weeks over the need
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Speaker 2: to do better to appeal to women, Lee's got fewer
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Speaker 2: women in her shadow cabinet than Peter Darton did. And
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Speaker 2: to amplify my points about factional payback, one of the winners,
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Speaker 2: the candidate for Bradfield Giselle capterian Or. She hasn't even
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Speaker 2: won her seat yet, and when she does, as we
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Speaker 2: expect she will, she's straight onto the front beach now
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Speaker 2: she's got a great CV, but really it's sort of
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Speaker 2: staff the sort of games that people like Malcolm Turnbull
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Speaker 2: played in the past about punishing anyone who might challenge
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Speaker 2: you only signals weakness. No leaders should be scared of
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Speaker 2: competition or indeed anyone who might challenge them intellectually, not
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Speaker 2: that intellectual challenges. Much of it with some of Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee's other like New South Wales's MP Alex Hawk, who's
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Speaker 2: tactical alliance with Michael Photius, has been in the heart
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Speaker 2: of so many factional stitch ups inside the New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Liberals. The bloke who did Scott Morrison's numbers now
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Speaker 2: is Susan Lee's numbers man. Well, he's been promoted into
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Speaker 2: Shadow Cabinet and will no doubt be her representative on
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Speaker 2: the New South Wales State Executive Now. This promotion of
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Speaker 2: the heavily factional Hawk will be an important to early
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Speaker 2: test for Lee. Will she support extending the Federal intervention
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Speaker 2: into New South Wales to give members a chance to
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Speaker 2: take their party back, or will she go with the
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Speaker 2: factional warlords who don't want their closed shop opened up
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Speaker 2: by allowing the intervention to just expire on the thirtieth
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Speaker 2: of June, with no lasting change, no new constitution to
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Speaker 2: give the grassroots to the say they deserve Now. Like
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Speaker 2: all leaders, Susan Lee herself deserves a fair go and
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Speaker 2: anyone who wants Australia to have a strong opposition should
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Speaker 2: be willing her to succeed. But on the evidence far,
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Speaker 2: the omens are pretty mixed. I just don't think you
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Speaker 2: take on an empowered and dominant labor party by leaving
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Speaker 2: some of your best talents in the change room and
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Speaker 2: giving the factional bother boys are reward. Look, as you know,
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Speaker 2: I've taken a strong and close interest in the Deeming case.
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Speaker 2: That's a defamation action that Victorian Liberal more Are Deeming
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Speaker 2: bought against her then leader John Perzzuto after he accused
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Speaker 2: the MP of Neo Nazi's sympathies and had her thrown
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Speaker 2: out of the Liberal party room. Deeming won her case
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Speaker 2: hands down in December, and so comprehensively did she win
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Speaker 2: it that Bazuto has never even tried to appeal it,
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Speaker 2: with the court thus ordering him to pay her three
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand damages and now pay some two point three
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Speaker 2: million in legal costs. Old Deeming, ever did, was support
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Speaker 2: a rally in favor of the rights of women and
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Speaker 2: girls to their own single sex spaces and not to
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Speaker 2: have women's sport in women's facilities open to biological men.
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Speaker 2: And this is such a self evident proposition that it's
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Speaker 2: recently been upheld by Britain's highest court. Now on occasions
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Speaker 2: I tried to get Perzuto to apologize and settle personally
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Speaker 2: meeting with Deeming and the Liberal Party president, but I failed.
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Speaker 2: Everyone else who tried failed also. Had Persuto been willing
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Speaker 2: to shift, he would not now be facing bankruptcy, and
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Speaker 2: if that happens, of course he's then expelled from the Parliament.
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Speaker 3: But he refused. Time and time again. He has refused.
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Speaker 2: So here he is now having to face the music
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Speaker 2: on Friday, as Deeming would have had to face the
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Speaker 2: music too had she lost.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Deming's lawyers recently wrote to John Perzuto's lawyers, warning that
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Speaker 2: Perzuto's public financial backers, including several former Victorian Liberal premiers,
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Speaker 2: also be held legally liable for Perzuto's costs order should
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Speaker 2: he fail to pay. Now that's the law in this country.
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Speaker 2: It's bad for them. Margri it's also bad for the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party, and that letter has now found its way
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Speaker 2: into the media, doubtless designed to try and embarrass Deeming
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Speaker 2: into wiping away the debt, the debt that Perzuto owes
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Speaker 2: her as a result of the judgment of the court,
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Speaker 2: something he should understand better than almost anyone else, because.
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Speaker 3: He is, after all a lawyer.
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Speaker 2: And this is all part of an ongoing smear campaign
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Speaker 2: against a woman who was done over by her own leader,
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Speaker 2: who then took him on and won. And the Liberals
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Speaker 2: who are prosecuting it, well, they should be ashamed of
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Speaker 2: themselves today. A proposal is circulating, it's now in the
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Speaker 2: media that the Liberal Party, in the Cormack Foundation, this
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Speaker 2: is the fundraising arm of the party, should jointly lend
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Speaker 2: Perzuto the money he needs to avoid bankruptcy. Now, the
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Speaker 2: problem with this is that the money that's been donated
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Speaker 2: to the party is to help the party win elections,
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Speaker 2: not bail at John Perzzuto for the consequences of his folly.
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Speaker 2: Quite simply, Perzuto should just pay up as he's been
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Speaker 2: ordered to do by no less than the Federal Court
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Speaker 2: and those individuals who want him to stay in the
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Speaker 2: parliament by avoiding bankruptcy, or they should pay up in
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Speaker 2: his behalf if he doesn't have the means to do
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Speaker 2: it himself. Now, this is all so unfortunate, so unnecessary,
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Speaker 2: but this is self inflicted. And if Perzuto can't pay
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Speaker 2: and his backers won't pay, then John Perzuto should simply
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Speaker 2: declar bankruptcy and leave the parliament because that's what Deeming
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Speaker 2: would have had to do had she lost again.
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Speaker 3: That's the law.
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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, no one would be calling
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Speaker 2: on Perzuto to forgive her debt if the positions were reversed.
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Speaker 2: This exercise in can temptible sexism against a woman who's
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Speaker 2: been fully vindicated by.
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Speaker 3: The court must end now.
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Speaker 2: And let me just say this, John Persuto was in
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Speaker 2: trying to hang on to his seat in the Parliament
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Speaker 2: to be Brad Batten's loyal backbencher. His supporters are openly
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Speaker 2: saying he has to stay because he will.
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Speaker 3: Come back as leader.
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Speaker 2: Now, please, Liberal Party rank and file members have had
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Speaker 2: enough of this self indulgent muck that's obsessed the Victorian
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Speaker 2: opposition for decades.
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Speaker 3: The squabbles over the spoils.
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Speaker 2: Of opposition, all the backstabbing and leadership battles they have
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Speaker 2: gone on for decades. Victoria is a basket case. Victorian
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Speaker 2: businesses are on their knees, Victorian.
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Speaker 3: Families and pensions.
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Speaker 2: They are desperate for hope. Voters in this state, they.
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Speaker 3: Are desperate for change.
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Speaker 2: John Perzuto, pay up whatever you pay up, or get out.
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Speaker 3: It's that simple.
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Speaker 2: And for all the players causing trouble, please put your
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Speaker 2: energy into seeing off a truly bad labor government. Last time,
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Speaker 2: your internal squabbles re elected Daniel Andrews. This time things
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Speaker 2: are worse. It's time to get your act together, because seriously,
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Speaker 2: Victorians have had enough. Let's get the headlines down. From
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Speaker 2: Camera Skuy and new political reporter Reuben Spargo, the.
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Speaker 6: New Shadow Cabinet is declaring its readiness to hold the
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Speaker 6: government too account despite internal tension. Susan Lee and David
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Speaker 6: Little Proud unveiled their picks, revealing winners and losers. Ted
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Speaker 6: O'Brien will become Shadow treasurer. Former Liberal leadership challenger Angus
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Speaker 6: Taylor will take on defense. Andrew Hasty, Macaulia Cash and
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Speaker 6: James Patterson also have new prominent roles to center. Price
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Speaker 6: has been demoted missing from the lineup altogether is Liberal
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Speaker 6: Senator Jane Hume.
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Speaker 5: These are tough days, and having been through many days
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Speaker 5: like this myself in my parliamentary career, I recognize that.
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Speaker 6: Former Nationals leaders Barnaby Joyce and Michael McCormack have also
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Speaker 6: missed out on shadow cabinet positions. Nationals MP's are criticizing
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Speaker 6: David Little Prowd's handling of the coalition agreement, placing pressure
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Speaker 6: on his leadership. The party initially split from the Liberals
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Speaker 6: after its refusal to guarantee four policies.
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Speaker 7: It is messy and this is all based on pure
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Speaker 7: lack of communication. I'm calling him out. I can't do it.
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Speaker 6: Former party leaders have also criticized mister little Prowd's approach.
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Speaker 6: Barnaby Joyce and Michael McCormack being punished for speaking out
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Speaker 6: on the coalition split.
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Speaker 7: I've made it clear when I became leader three years
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Speaker 7: ago that I wanted to have generational change.
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Speaker 6: Mister Joyce denies this is the reason the Greens are
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Speaker 6: expected to support Labour's controversial unrealized capital gains tax. New
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Speaker 6: leader Larissa Waters claims she doesn't see any issues with
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Speaker 6: the proposal, despite the party holding up the plan before
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Speaker 6: the election. The Greens are yet to formalize their position,
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Speaker 6: but are hinting at laring the threshold below three million dollars.
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Speaker 3: All right, planning to get across.
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Speaker 2: Now joining me is senior reporter Carolyn Marcus and senior
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Speaker 2: fellow at Menzies Research Center Columns for The Australia than Kaita. Well,
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Speaker 2: welcome to you both. All eyes were watching the TV.
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Speaker 2: At a quarter past two this afternoon the shadow cabinet
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Speaker 2: finally unveiled. I must say before that, of course, we
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Speaker 2: had confirmation mid morning, so the coalition agreement had been struck.
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Speaker 2: We had some of the changes they're mentioned by Reuben Caroline,
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Speaker 2: but what else did you pick up?
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Speaker 8: Well, look, it was as interesting who was promoted to
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Speaker 8: a role in cabinet as who didn't make the cut
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Speaker 8: and who got demoted. So I mean a few interesting names.
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Speaker 8: Obviously Tat O'Brien as the Shadow Treasurer and he is,
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Speaker 8: of course the deputy leader of the party now under
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Speaker 8: Susan Lee mckaylay Cash's Foreign Affairs and James Patterson Finance.
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Speaker 8: Andrew Hasty has Home Affairs. And that's of course, despite
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Speaker 8: all the speculation that he will one day run for
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Speaker 8: the position of as Liberal leader and then as an
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Speaker 8: opposition leader Prime minister. But I thought Julian Lisa's shadow
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Speaker 8: Attorney General that was interesting as well. He's been a
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Speaker 8: strong performer, especially on foreign affairs and legal issues. But
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Speaker 8: he did step down from the front bench over his
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Speaker 8: opposition to the vote the supporting the no vote in
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Speaker 8: the referendum. But when I say what's interesting is who
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Speaker 8: didn't make the cut or who was demoted Despite all
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Speaker 8: this talk about women not being enough women in the party,
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Speaker 8: that the Liberal Party has a women problem, look at
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Speaker 8: the people who have been dropped. There's Jane Hume who
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Speaker 8: was dropped from Finance. James Patterson got that portfolio. James
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Speaker 8: is also very capable, but Jane Hume is a very
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Speaker 8: strong performer as well. Sarah Henderson dropped from Education, Claire Chandler.
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Speaker 8: I mean, these are all high profile senior women within
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Speaker 8: the party who are no longer on the front bench
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Speaker 8: in opposition. So I think that's interesting. Just send a Nampa.
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Speaker 8: Jimp Price also stripped of her Indigenous Australia portfolio. Instead,
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Speaker 8: she's going to be a shadow spokeswoman for Defense industry.
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Speaker 8: So that's kind of an interesting choice too, when you
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Speaker 8: think her strength should surely be in indigenous issues.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd actually like to see her on a more
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Speaker 2: mainstream role. I think she's done well in indigenous affairs.
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Speaker 2: But you know, in our position, and I'll make this
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Speaker 2: point for people at home, in our position, portfolios like
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Speaker 2: defense and foreign affairs are actually not frontline portfolios.
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Speaker 3: They're not the ones that will win you government.
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Speaker 2: And so I see that, you know, Angus Taylor being
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Speaker 2: in defense just into being in defense, Michaulia Kashivan. They've
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Speaker 2: sort of been sidelined. They sound important, but they're not
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Speaker 2: important in opposition. And yet there's been all of these
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Speaker 2: moves with factional allies of Susan Lee and Nick. I
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Speaker 2: know when you're at Mensies you did a big report
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Speaker 2: about women and promoting women and developing a pipeline. How
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Speaker 2: bizarre it is that the first female leader is the
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Speaker 2: one that's dropped all these women because it's never about gender.
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Speaker 2: Let's be honest, it's actually about factions.
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Speaker 1: It should be about talent. Peter really talent number one two.
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Speaker 1: And I agree gender is we should not pick according
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Speaker 1: to gender, And Susan Lee clearly hasn't. But look, I
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Speaker 1: just cannot fathom how you can put together a team,
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Speaker 1: you know, your strongest team from that small group of
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Speaker 1: MPs and senators that are left, and not include Jane Hume,
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Speaker 1: not include Claire Chandler, not include Sarah Henderson. Some of
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Speaker 1: these other people be very good. Look, I'm off of
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Speaker 1: giving chances and opportunities to new people. That's very important,
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Speaker 1: particularly after an election. But right now the Liberal Party
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Speaker 1: just has to put the very strongest team it has
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Speaker 1: up against Labor and needs to focus one hundred percent
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Speaker 1: from day one on attacking Labor, not continuing this horrible
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Speaker 1: factional warfare that's been going on within the party that's
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Speaker 1: really just going to destroy it if it's not careful.
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Speaker 1: I will say, look, Dan Tian is a great pick
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Speaker 1: for energy, very solid choice, and I'm sure that Dan
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Speaker 1: will steady the ship there and we'll hold on to
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Speaker 1: the games that we made in the last parliament when
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Speaker 1: Peter Duddon broke the nuclear taboo and take that on
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Speaker 1: further because that's a very important portfolio. Obviously.
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Speaker 2: Now Nick two, I have to make a point about
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Speaker 2: the coalition agreement. It hasn't ended the rumblings there's still
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Speaker 2: rumblings about Little Proud's leadership.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen to this.
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Speaker 7: How can you support a blug that misleads the party room.
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Speaker 7: I'm calling him out. I can't do it. It is
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Speaker 7: messy and this is all based on pure lack of
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Speaker 7: communication and the chosen ones that think that they're able
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Speaker 7: to dictate to everybody.
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Speaker 9: We didn't need to. I felt break away from the
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Speaker 9: Liberal Party. It looked messy and from.
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Speaker 8: The public's point of view, the Masters has been scratching
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Speaker 8: their heads.
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Speaker 2: Mad he won another the four things he got And
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Speaker 2: you think this will blow over or will it fester?
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Speaker 1: I think it's going to hang around and fester, Peter, because,
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Speaker 1: as I wrote on Monday in The Australian, what we're
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Speaker 1: seeing here that the argument between the Liberal Party and
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Speaker 1: the National Party is really just a proxy war for
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Speaker 1: the battle for the soul of the party itself. You
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Speaker 1: know that particularly the moderate faction or so called moderate
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Speaker 1: faction in the Liberal Party, they'd really like to see
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Speaker 1: the Nationals, you know, see the back of them. They
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Speaker 1: think that they're tainted by their association with very strong
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Speaker 1: and good politicians like Matt Canavan, and if they could
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Speaker 1: they get rid of them. But I think they realized
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Speaker 1: pretty quick. Without the National Party there is no hope
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Speaker 1: of ever winning an election ever again. So they've had
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Speaker 1: to buite that bullet. But this is going to fester.
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Speaker 1: And as I say, I mean, we just have to
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Speaker 1: get down to fighting the government right now with all
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Speaker 1: the resources we've got, and we've got to put this
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Speaker 1: internal argument behind us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I make the point, and you made it
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Speaker 2: very well there. I mean, he made a toil that
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Speaker 2: you've got to have your best team on the field,
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Speaker 2: that your most intellectual team, no leadership be spooked by
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Speaker 2: anyone that's smarter than her, more experienced than her, or
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Speaker 2: anything like that.
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Speaker 3: That's what you want.
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Speaker 2: It's the only chance you've got to beat labor. Let's
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Speaker 2: go to the announcements today from the AEC, the Victorian
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Speaker 2: Federal Senate results of their Labour's picked up the final
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Speaker 2: spot that's given them three senators as it stands, tom
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Speaker 2: or Stairs at labels that projected to win some thirty seats,
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Speaker 2: but at a minimum of twenty eight they'll still need
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Speaker 2: the Greens and Greens there will help them pass legislation.
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Speaker 2: There's still account going on in Bradfield of course, and
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Speaker 2: in Goldstein it's a partial recount. Bradfield's interesting, of course
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Speaker 2: because the woman there Giselle cap Terrian.
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Speaker 3: If she wins, and she's.
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Speaker 2: Never been an MP, never been an MP, she's parachuted
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Speaker 2: straight onto the front bench. She's a key moderlate out
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Speaker 2: of New South Wales there for Susan Lee. But you've
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Speaker 2: got a pretty interesting story about a journalist being signed
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Speaker 2: in by the Greens to the Bradfield count Caroline, what
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Speaker 2: can you tell us?
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Speaker 8: Yes, Peter a nine senior political journalist was signed into
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Speaker 8: the counting center in Bradfield. It's at Asquith on Sydney's
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Speaker 8: North and last week and that was Australian Financial Review
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Speaker 8: chief political correspondent for New South Wales, Paul carp Now
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Speaker 8: he and I've got a picture of the sign in
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Speaker 8: sheet showing this. He was signed in by the Greens,
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Speaker 8: the New South Wales Greens member on Thursday last week
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Speaker 8: as a scrutineer for the far left party. Now that's
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Speaker 8: in spite of him being a reporter. And two witnesses
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Speaker 8: I spoke to at the center telling me that they
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Speaker 8: didn't see him doing any scrutineering, that he was instead
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Speaker 8: seen doing news gathering or listening to conversations. Now I've
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Speaker 8: spoken to the Australian Election Commission and they tell me
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Speaker 8: that mister Cupp was appointed by a candidate in the
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Speaker 8: contest to be a scrutineer and he did attend accounting
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Speaker 8: center and we did have a discussion with Paul about
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Speaker 8: his presence. It's our understanding that mister Cupp has not
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Speaker 8: returned as a scrutineer since that day. Now I'm told
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Speaker 8: that it was a member of the news Wells Greens
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Speaker 8: who signed him in as a scrutiny it, but it
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Speaker 8: was on the understanding that it was for media purposes
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Speaker 8: and that this plan to gain access to the center
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Speaker 8: this way had been pre approved by Nine management. I
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Speaker 8: got a statement from Nine. They've said that mister cart
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Speaker 8: was wearing his identity his nine idea at all times
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Speaker 8: and he left the counting center of his own accord
21:30
Speaker 8: and there are no plans to report on the counting process.
21:33
Speaker 8: The AFI understands its responsibilities in regard to AEC processes
21:39
Speaker 8: and has reinforced these with the reporter. Now, of course,
21:43
Speaker 8: Bradfield is the tightest seat in this election. There's currently
21:47
Speaker 8: the recount happening there. As you mentioned last week, it
21:51
Speaker 8: was still the end of counting and distributing the preferences
21:55
Speaker 8: and Gizelle Capterian, the Liberal candidate, is ahead, was ahead
21:59
Speaker 8: by just eight votes, so that triggered and automatic recount
22:03
Speaker 8: of the seat.
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Speaker 3: It was.
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Speaker 8: It's a fascinating contest. So you can understand why reporters
22:10
Speaker 8: want to have access to what's happening there. But the
22:13
Speaker 8: thing is that you can also approach the AEC, and
22:17
Speaker 8: they have had opportunities for media to go and look
22:22
Speaker 8: at what's happening with their approval, in a legitimate way.
22:26
Speaker 8: So it's curious that this took place, and apparently with.
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Speaker 3: Approval.
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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty bizarre. Actually, I think it's bizarre
22:36
Speaker 2: and possibly pretty troubling. Let's go that good news out
22:39
Speaker 2: of Queensland and the Christophili government and Nick has mixed
22:44
Speaker 2: the Moonlight Range wind farms. This is in central Queensland.
22:48
Speaker 2: I know you've done a lot about this in your blog,
22:51
Speaker 2: and I say to my viewers, if you're not on
22:53
Speaker 2: Nix's blog Reality Bites, please get onto it. But you've
22:56
Speaker 2: hat a close look at how destructive this has been.
22:59
Speaker 2: I also make the point to this, some one hundred
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Speaker 2: other such projects being looked at very closely by the
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Speaker 2: Chrysophiy government. Thank god, because other states seem to be
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Speaker 2: rubber stamping them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank good is sanity has been restored, Peter. I
23:15
Speaker 1: mean I've been watching this over the last three years
23:18
Speaker 1: and the number of sites highly sensitive native vegetation, native habitat,
23:24
Speaker 1: hundreds of hectares of koala habitat, for instance, hundreds of
23:27
Speaker 1: habitats of hundreds of hectares of powerful owl, the ghost bat.
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Speaker 1: You know that the list goes on, and these have
23:35
Speaker 1: just been gone under the bulldozer on the approval of
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Speaker 1: the Queensland Government and Tanya Plibisk the former Environment Minister.
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Speaker 1: It's just been mind blowing. And at last the Christophui
23:46
Speaker 1: governor stood up to this renewable energy bandwagon and in
23:51
Speaker 1: saying no, no, you cannot save the planet by destroying
23:55
Speaker 1: the earth. You know, that's essentially what they're doing. So
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Speaker 1: I think this is a real turning point to the debate.
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Speaker 1: It's the first decision that the Queensland Government is knocked
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Speaker 1: back and it's one of the very few that have
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Speaker 1: actually been overturned. Let's hope that this is the start
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Speaker 1: of many more where the assessments are made given full
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Speaker 1: account of the actual damage to the natural environment and
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Speaker 1: to our native wildlife.
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Speaker 2: And just before we go, Nick just quickly reports that
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Speaker 2: have broken this afternoon that there is a bid by
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Speaker 2: some in the John Pisuto camp. I'm not saying it's
24:29
Speaker 2: coming from him, but to those supporters around him to
24:33
Speaker 2: get the Liberal Party to help pay this defamation costs
24:36
Speaker 2: order that the federal court has made against him. Knowing
24:39
Speaker 2: full well as a lawyer, John should have known this
24:41
Speaker 2: as a lawyer. Of course, if you lose, there's a
24:44
Speaker 2: hefty bill at the end. The party today has said
24:47
Speaker 2: that they will not pay in this case to assist
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Speaker 2: either party.
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Speaker 3: But that's the news tonight. The pressures on.
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Speaker 2: Of course, decision has to be made or the money's
24:56
Speaker 2: have to be paid by Friday. But I mean, this
24:58
Speaker 2: has gone on for two years now. I think it's
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Speaker 2: a stain on people who took on more redeems.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of very unhappy Liberal donors around at
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Speaker 1: the moment. Peter, as you can imagine having put a
25:11
Speaker 1: lot of money into the last campaign and only to
25:14
Speaker 1: see it really thrown away. I think that they will
25:17
Speaker 1: be absolutely disgusted if any Liberal Party money, if a
25:21
Speaker 1: cent of it is put towards paying off John Persuito's
25:25
Speaker 1: Leberal bills. He acted as an individual, he went into
25:28
Speaker 1: court as an individual, and the judgment has been brought
25:31
Speaker 1: against him as an individual. I'm sorry it's a big
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Speaker 1: bill to pay, but there were many people, including yourself,
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Speaker 1: warning him not to go down this path.
25:39
Speaker 7: He did.
25:40
Speaker 1: He has to pay the consequences and if any money
25:43
Speaker 1: comes out of the Cormack Foundation or the Liberal Party
25:45
Speaker 1: for this, I and a lot of other Liberal Party
25:49
Speaker 1: members will be very, very angry.
25:54
Speaker 2: I think you speak for a lot, Nick, I think
25:56
Speaker 2: you speak a lot for a lot of Liberals there.
25:59
Speaker 2: I'll live there, thank you, By all right. Today pressure
26:01
Speaker 2: really ramped up in the alberdeesa government to go it
26:03
Speaker 2: alone and formally recognize a Palestinian state. Former Foreign Minister
26:08
Speaker 2: this is the Hawk era, Gareth Evans was out this
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Speaker 2: morning calling for the recognition of Palestine as well as
26:13
Speaker 2: demanding sanctions on Israel.
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Speaker 9: And I think the most useful thing we can do
26:19
Speaker 9: in the present environment, Certainly sending a strong message through
26:24
Speaker 9: sanctions would be important, but the most useful thing Australia
26:26
Speaker 9: can do right now is to turn into reality the
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Speaker 9: recognition of a Palestinian statehood and take the opportunity of
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Speaker 9: this big summit that's happening in two weeks time, in
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Speaker 9: three weeks time in the UN to do just that.
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Speaker 2: We also have a former federal minister, Ed Husak out
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Speaker 2: there too, calling for Israel's ambassador face a grilling of
26:51
Speaker 2: the escalation of Israel's action in Gaza. The Greens too
26:54
Speaker 2: lappick enough new leader for the Greens, Larissa Waters, saying
26:58
Speaker 2: that the Prime Minister's recent criticisms of Israel are quote
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Speaker 2: an encouraging sign, all the while, of course Australia's Jewish
27:05
Speaker 2: community they are warning these moves could embolden extremism and
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Speaker 2: further alien eight Jewish Australians. Greg Sheridan, for an editor
27:14
Speaker 2: at The Australian, joins me, well, I'll tell you what, Greg,
27:18
Speaker 2: so much for all the talk of unity and having
27:21
Speaker 2: an even handed position on Israel, I am suggesting possibly
27:25
Speaker 2: to court the Jewish vote during the election campaign. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this push inside labor, how serious is it?
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Speaker 4: Well, Peter, great to be with you. It's a very
27:34
Speaker 4: serious push and I think very ill advised. I don't
27:39
Speaker 4: think Labor did any good with the Jewish vote at
27:41
Speaker 4: the last election. But you know, there's only about one
27:44
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty thousand Jews in Australia, So the truth is,
27:48
Speaker 4: in terms of sheer numbers, it's not that significant. Morally,
27:52
Speaker 4: it's profoundly significant. I think recognizing Palestine as a state
27:57
Speaker 4: would be really counterproductive. It would be rewarding terrorism. Palestine
28:04
Speaker 4: doesn't satisfy the criteria for statehood, and everybody recognizes that
28:11
Speaker 4: if there is to be a peaceful solution eventually between
28:14
Speaker 4: Israel and Palestinians, it has to come at the end
28:18
Speaker 4: of negotiations. You can't put it at the start of negotiations.
28:21
Speaker 4: That's just ridiculous, and no one's going to enforce it.
28:23
Speaker 4: Neither should they, nor could they. The other thing is
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Speaker 4: Israel has very serious moral responsibilities in Gaza. And you know,
28:31
Speaker 4: I say, as someone who's for decadeses been a very
28:34
Speaker 4: strong supporter of Israel, you know, this current situation in
28:39
Speaker 4: Gaza can't continue and the Israelis have to show us
28:42
Speaker 4: what comes next, and they have to provide proper food
28:46
Speaker 4: and all the rest for the people in Gaza. But
28:48
Speaker 4: it is the truth that the overwhelming moral responsibility for
28:52
Speaker 4: the terrible suffering of the people in Gaza rests with Hummas,
28:55
Speaker 4: and they could end that suffering today by releasing the
28:58
Speaker 4: Israeli hostages and laying down their weapons. So the moral
29:05
Speaker 4: outrage should be directed at Hamas first and foremost.
29:11
Speaker 2: There's another fight going on too. This is a serious
29:14
Speaker 2: one inside the university sector. This regards the definition of
29:16
Speaker 2: anti Semitism, and a pretty worrying sign. Late this afternoon,
29:20
Speaker 2: the ANU, the Australian National University, led of course by
29:25
Speaker 2: former Liberal Foreign Minister Julie Bishop, it appears to be
29:28
Speaker 2: walking back its support for the definition that Australia's Jewish
29:32
Speaker 2: leaders support.
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Speaker 3: Now what's happening here, Greg, Well.
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Speaker 4: This is a very disturbing story, patter more more disturbing
29:40
Speaker 4: really than what the government's doing. This is a sign
29:42
Speaker 4: of the rot and the degeneracy of our university culture.
29:46
Speaker 4: So the university has adopted a definition of anti Semitism
29:49
Speaker 4: which is very similar to the International Holocaust Remembrance Association definition.
29:54
Speaker 4: It is the standard definition of anti Semitism, but it
29:57
Speaker 4: also says that while criticism of Israel is perfectly legitimate,
30:01
Speaker 4: there are elements of the way you talk about Israel,
30:04
Speaker 4: which can be anti semitism. If you make Jews in
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Speaker 4: any other country responsible for the actions of the Israeli government,
30:12
Speaker 4: that's anti semitism. If you criticize Israel in a widely
30:16
Speaker 4: exaggerated way or invoking classic tropes of conspiracy and so forth,
30:22
Speaker 4: that is anti semitism. This is a very very reasonable
30:25
Speaker 4: definition of antisemitism. But the left and those people who
30:30
Speaker 4: hate Israel hate this definition because it links certain types
30:35
Speaker 4: of exaggerated hostility to Israel to anti semitism, and so
30:39
Speaker 4: they hate this definition. And I think for the a
30:42
Speaker 4: and U, you know, we have witnessed a worldwide crisis
30:45
Speaker 4: of antisemitism and an Australian crisis of antisemitism which the
30:49
Speaker 4: Albanezer government has responded to very very poorly. And if
30:54
Speaker 4: the universities now start to walk away from what is
30:58
Speaker 4: an entirely reasonable definition of andy Semitism, that indicates a
31:02
Speaker 4: resumption of a very corrupt dynamic in Australia, I'll over there.
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Speaker 3: Thank you. Greg.
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Speaker 2: I have to say, Jolly Bishop is the Chancellor of
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Speaker 2: the AARU used to be a very strong.
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Speaker 3: Supporter of Israel.
31:16
Speaker 2: I don't recognize her anymore with some of these physicians
31:19
Speaker 2: taken in her role. All right, after break, Senator sint
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Speaker 2: A Namjiba Price will join me for her take on
31:25
Speaker 2: Shadow Cabinet. Today she moves out to the Indigenous portfolio
31:29
Speaker 2: and is demoted to the outer Shadow Ministry. Blass the
31:32
Speaker 2: worrying push to expand Indigenous treaties in Victoria. More on
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Speaker 2: that in a moment. Welcome back to the car while
31:42
Speaker 2: we're in real trouble. When Labor only needs the Greens
31:45
Speaker 2: to pass legislation in the Senate verse cab off the
31:48
Speaker 2: rank will be their unfair tax on unrealized super games,
31:52
Speaker 2: which the Greens want to make even tougher the first
31:56
Speaker 2: Some notable additions and some subtractions from Susan Lee's front
32:00
Speaker 2: bench announced today. Notably, of course, former Shadow Minister for
32:04
Speaker 2: Indigenous Australians just Internambigip Price has been moved out of
32:07
Speaker 2: that portfolio and also out of Shadow Cabinet. Just Internamtijyper
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Speaker 2: Price joins me now, so didor welcome. You might have
32:16
Speaker 2: left Shadow Cabinet, but you're still on the front bench.
32:18
Speaker 2: You're just now in the outer ministry. And a lot
32:21
Speaker 2: of other Conservative women too, seem to have either been
32:24
Speaker 2: sidelined or dropped all together. I suspect there's some wounded
32:29
Speaker 2: MPs tonight, isn't there.
32:33
Speaker 10: Yeah, Look, I've no doubt that there are some of
32:36
Speaker 10: my colleagues who are feeling upset about the decisions that
32:41
Speaker 10: have been made. You know, I'll be honest to say
32:44
Speaker 10: that there are probably some appointments that have not been
32:49
Speaker 10: predicated on experience or merit. But this is what this
32:56
Speaker 10: is the team we have to work with, that we're
32:58
Speaker 10: working with going forward. Would and you know, I mean,
33:02
Speaker 10: I'm not going to lie and say that I'm not
33:04
Speaker 10: disappointed that I'm not within cabinet itself, but I did
33:09
Speaker 10: say when I decided to move to the Liberal Party
33:13
Speaker 10: room that as part of the coalition we need to
33:16
Speaker 10: build and that I would be taking whatever position I'm
33:20
Speaker 10: in very seriously, obviously, because we need to take the
33:23
Speaker 10: fight up to Labor absolutely, because ultimately our country is
33:30
Speaker 10: going to suffer continue to suffer under this Albanese government,
33:36
Speaker 10: which has which you know, the part about all of
33:40
Speaker 10: this the last couple of weeks, I think which is
33:42
Speaker 10: most important is we haven't necessarily been able to address
33:46
Speaker 10: Labour's failures with a lot of inward looking. You know,
33:51
Speaker 10: I just hope that we can get on with a
33:53
Speaker 10: job of doing that. You know, it would have been
33:56
Speaker 10: it would have been good to have some really good
33:58
Speaker 10: fighters in there. I think it's no it's no secret
34:01
Speaker 10: I backed in Sarah Henderson. I thought she did a
34:04
Speaker 10: remarkable job in the education portfolio and did a great
34:08
Speaker 10: deal of work that she didn't get the opportunity to
34:11
Speaker 10: further and particularly during the election as well. You know,
34:16
Speaker 10: I know John o'donnham will do a great job as well.
34:20
Speaker 3: In that place.
34:20
Speaker 10: But I guess, you know, yeah, we need to be
34:25
Speaker 10: able to fight and ultimately take that fight up. A
34:29
Speaker 10: grandma always said, I'm one of those people.
34:33
Speaker 3: We'll see where we go.
34:34
Speaker 2: I had Claire Chandler. I had Claire Chandler on the
34:38
Speaker 2: show last night, and my audience love her. I mean,
34:40
Speaker 2: she gets in there and has a scrap and all
34:42
Speaker 2: the sort of the common sense stuff that most people
34:44
Speaker 2: care about, but which we're not talking about enough inside
34:48
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party but certainly not enough in Canberra. I'm
34:51
Speaker 2: sad to see that she's been dropped completely. She's missing.
34:55
Speaker 2: But you made a point there about the National Party
34:57
Speaker 2: people have said to me, I bet your price really
35:00
Speaker 2: regret leaving the National Party should still be in shadow cabinet.
35:04
Speaker 2: But it doesn't sound like you do. It sounds like
35:05
Speaker 2: you went into it all with your eyes wide open
35:07
Speaker 2: and you don't regret your move.
35:13
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: No, I absolutely don't regret my move. I think I
35:16
Speaker 10: made it clear that this is something that I'd wanted
35:18
Speaker 10: to do when I was very first elected before my
35:22
Speaker 10: previous term, and I'm ultimately all about ensuring that we're
35:28
Speaker 10: in the strongest position to take the fight up to
35:31
Speaker 10: labor for the benefit of the Australian people. Ultimately, it
35:34
Speaker 10: actually doesn't matter, I don't matter in the grand scheme
35:37
Speaker 10: of things.
35:38
Speaker 3: It's not about us.
35:39
Speaker 10: It's actually about the Australian people. And so in my
35:43
Speaker 10: new portfolio responsibilities, I am absolutely going to be dedicated
35:49
Speaker 10: to ensuring that we support defense personnel, that we can
35:53
Speaker 10: find ways to support them better and their families. You know,
35:56
Speaker 10: I have a few good relationships here in the Northern
35:58
Speaker 10: Territory with those who are part of defense personnel. We've
36:05
Speaker 10: got the defense, the American defense here Pine Gap, which
36:09
Speaker 10: I've grown up with all my life, and given our
36:13
Speaker 10: current geopolitical circumstances. Now is a really important time to
36:16
Speaker 10: make sure that we can draw that line in the
36:19
Speaker 10: sand that we've got fighters up front. I have the
36:22
Speaker 10: opportunity to work closely with Angus Taylor and of course
36:26
Speaker 10: Phil Thompson, who I think are great for these particular
36:30
Speaker 10: positions as well. But no, I have no regrets in terms.
36:35
Speaker 3: Of changing party rooms.
36:36
Speaker 10: I am a Country Liberal Party senator.
36:38
Speaker 3: After all.
36:39
Speaker 10: It is my right to choose where I sit, and
36:41
Speaker 10: if I can be in a stronger position for the
36:44
Speaker 10: benefit of Australia, then I'm certainly going to head toward that.
36:51
Speaker 2: I'm just about out a time and no defense is important.
36:54
Speaker 2: But I made the point earlier in our position, it's
36:56
Speaker 2: less important than government. A lot of Australians who watch
37:01
Speaker 2: you closely during their voice who would regard you as
37:04
Speaker 2: one of the best warriors that the center right side
37:07
Speaker 2: of politics has. I suspect they're a bit disappointed. They'll
37:10
Speaker 2: think you're sort of wasted in this area. They might
37:13
Speaker 2: like you in a more frontline role. Please tell us
37:17
Speaker 2: you're not going to just talk about.
37:18
Speaker 3: The car Key issues.
37:20
Speaker 2: You're going to talk about all the issues facing Australians
37:22
Speaker 2: across the board.
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Speaker 10: Oh, look absolutely.
37:28
Speaker 3: You know, I'm passionate about this country.
37:29
Speaker 10: I'm passionate about the challenges we face as a country.
37:32
Speaker 10: There's some really important issues that we all need to
37:35
Speaker 10: be fighting on. I will use my voice in that
37:38
Speaker 10: way across those important issues. You know, we've got to
37:42
Speaker 10: have a huge conversation around energy that I mean, I
37:46
Speaker 10: guess that also speaks to defense as well, and the
37:49
Speaker 10: defense industry and personnel. But there are other conversations that
37:53
Speaker 10: we need to have around how Australians are going to
37:57
Speaker 10: be let down by Albanesi, are being let down by Albanesi.
38:00
Speaker 10: And I will, without stepping on my shadow cabinet colleagues
38:04
Speaker 10: toes it all, I will be part of those conversations
38:07
Speaker 10: and that fight gotten forward because it's my responsibility to
38:11
Speaker 10: do so.
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Speaker 3: Good.
38:14
Speaker 2: We all want to hear that. Thank you, Jacinta, all
38:16
Speaker 2: the very best in congratulations. Up the break, so Emeli analysis.
38:20
Speaker 2: So we're the big money from the climate two one
38:22
Speaker 2: hundred mob was spent in the election campaign, plus.
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Speaker 3: Labors super tax fears.
38:27
Speaker 2: I could get a whole lot worse now that the
38:30
Speaker 2: Greens are in the mix. Welcome back to the wonderful
38:38
Speaker 2: kel Richards. It's Wednesday. Of course he'll be with me
38:40
Speaker 2: in a moment. But first let's bring in my panel
38:42
Speaker 2: Paige Research Center chief executive Jared Holland and new Liberal MP.
38:47
Speaker 2: We can call her that now. She has not been
38:49
Speaker 2: declared yet. She'll tell me that the moment. But the
38:51
Speaker 2: new member for Monash, Mary aldred Well, welcome.
38:54
Speaker 3: To you both. I thought we'll start with you, Mary.
38:57
Speaker 2: I thought when we voted against the Voice, the racial
39:00
Speaker 2: divisions were supposedly.
39:01
Speaker 3: Put behind us.
39:02
Speaker 2: But news today that a traditional owner group from central
39:05
Speaker 2: Victoria is looking to negotiate a local treaty with the
39:10
Speaker 2: Victorian government. This is a ja Jo warrang, people who
39:13
Speaker 2: formerly notify the state's Treaty Authority that they intend to
39:16
Speaker 2: negotiate an Australian first local treaty. Now I assume this
39:21
Speaker 2: is different than something being negotiated at a state level.
39:24
Speaker 2: We know that's underway, we know the speculation about federal treaties.
39:28
Speaker 2: This is at a local level. But I mean, seriously,
39:32
Speaker 2: if this gets its way, we can have treaties all
39:34
Speaker 2: over the country at all layers of government.
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Speaker 3: Mary Well, it is.
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Speaker 11: Messy and it does take the process back quite a
39:40
Speaker 11: bit which has been painstakingly worked through, and I guess
39:43
Speaker 11: i'd relate my thoughts to UNDI Cheryl Drayson, who's a
39:47
Speaker 11: Kernie elder in West Gippsland who I speak with regularly,
39:50
Speaker 11: and one of her chief complaints is that this government,
39:53
Speaker 11: particularly and she said this publicly, don't listen to a
39:57
Speaker 11: number of regional communities. It is the way that this
40:02
Speaker 11: process has been done, and it doesn't bring us any
40:05
Speaker 11: closer to priorities like closing the gap and addressing employment
40:09
Speaker 11: and economic priorities in regional areas.
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Speaker 3: Not at all.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the issue of tax generally. The new
40:17
Speaker 2: Victorian treasurer au Jacqueline Simes, she shocked a lot of
40:19
Speaker 2: people this week. She was at a property council breakfast
40:22
Speaker 2: on Tuesday. This is their budget in reply for the
40:25
Speaker 2: opposition day, and she asked them all nominate your favorite tax.
40:28
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's got a favorite tax. It went
40:30
Speaker 2: down like a lead balloon. And then she asked people
40:33
Speaker 2: to nominate their worst tax. There's plenty there to choose
40:36
Speaker 2: from in Victoria. But I reckon the federal government's push
40:39
Speaker 2: to tax money. We haven't made profits. We haven't made
40:44
Speaker 2: Jerry looks to be about the worst for me. And
40:46
Speaker 2: what worries me now that the Greens say that they
40:48
Speaker 2: will back it is the fact that they want the
40:50
Speaker 2: super balance that targets this new tax to come down
40:54
Speaker 2: from Labour's three million threshold to two million.
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Speaker 12: Well, the thing this is such a poorly targeted policy, Peter.
41:03
Speaker 12: And the thing even with the three million threshold is
41:06
Speaker 12: it's not index to inflation. And I've seen a lot
41:08
Speaker 12: of commentary about well, the top end of town they
41:10
Speaker 12: can afford it. But if you're an average way journer
41:12
Speaker 12: in your early twenties now, because of inflation, you will
41:16
Speaker 12: likely end up in that three million by the time
41:19
Speaker 12: you retire anyway. And the thing with these kind of
41:21
Speaker 12: taxes is if you're trying to tax the wealthiest people
41:24
Speaker 12: in your country, they're often the ones who have the
41:26
Speaker 12: greatest capability to get up and leave and go somewhere else.
41:29
Speaker 12: The UK who's just found this, they've increased their capital
41:32
Speaker 12: gains tax and over eleven thousand millionaires have left the country.
41:36
Speaker 12: So these short sugar rush tax hits, they actually end
41:39
Speaker 12: up hurting the middle classes and those down the track
41:42
Speaker 12: far more than those who they're allegedly trying to target
41:46
Speaker 12: right now. And the medium term result of this is
41:48
Speaker 12: going to be all that money that would have gone
41:50
Speaker 12: into people super funds is going to get pulled out.
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Speaker 12: It's going to go into the property market. We're going
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Speaker 12: to see an even deepening housing crisis. It's a terrible
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Speaker 12: policy and the idea that the Greens could get at
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Speaker 12: the rains and lower it to two million makes it
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Speaker 12: worse and worse.
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Speaker 2: I might also add there's no shortage of taxes for
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Speaker 2: the rich in Australia. I mean it's close to fifty
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Speaker 2: percent tax if you're at the very upper echelons, and
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Speaker 2: you add in the Medicare surcharge levy and beyond, there's
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Speaker 2: plenty of tax. Half their wage goes into tax. And
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Speaker 2: what worries me here is the scope of this policy.
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Speaker 3: Mary.
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Speaker 2: We've got farmers who've got their farms in a self
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Speaker 2: managed super fund. All they need is their land to
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Speaker 2: go up and a they're going to have to sell
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Speaker 2: off land or close their farms just to survive.
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Speaker 11: Look, the timing of this could not have been worse, Peter,
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Speaker 11: because farmers are already struggling to keep their head above
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Speaker 11: water across a number of fronts right now, and I
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Speaker 11: think the self managed super fun Peak Body told a
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Speaker 11: Senate inquiry recently that about seventeen thousand are a little
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Speaker 11: bit more farms are held in a self managed super
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Speaker 11: fund and about three and a half thousand of those
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Speaker 11: farms are worth more than.
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Speaker 3: Three million dollars.
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Speaker 11: So that is just a terrible impact for a lot
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Speaker 11: of farmers that are really struggling.
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Speaker 2: Big decision today Northwest Shelf has been approved. But I
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Speaker 2: do have a bit of a ry smile on this one, Jared.
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Speaker 2: You know, for six years no decisions being made. The
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Speaker 2: government said they could not make a decision prior to
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Speaker 2: the election, and suddenly they've got a new minister and
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Speaker 2: he's been able to wrap his head around the paperwork
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Speaker 2: in two weeks flat. Now this says to me they
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Speaker 2: knew what they wanted to do, Tanya Plebist Wooden playball.
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Speaker 2: They didn't want to upset the left and the Greens,
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Speaker 2: so they held this over until after the election.
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Speaker 12: I look, that would be my suspicions as well. And
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Speaker 12: of course, you know the project has been subject to
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Speaker 12: a lot of green and activist lawfare over the last
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Speaker 12: couple of years, and you know, as well, the thing
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Speaker 12: is this, if the government is actually doing what they
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Speaker 12: should be doing, I want to wish them success. I
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Speaker 12: for all Australians, hope that we have a really successful
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Speaker 12: labor government over the next couple of years. And what
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Speaker 12: this decision shows is when you're trying to negotiate the
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Speaker 12: our net zero commitments to start to factor in some
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Speaker 12: of our offshore emissions, the fact that we burn over
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Speaker 12: a two hundred million tons of coal, sorry, that we
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Speaker 12: send up a two on a million tons of coal
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Speaker 12: overseas to get burnt every year, when you're looking at agriculture,
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Speaker 12: when you're looking at transport and other industries, that actually
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Speaker 12: these targets aren't fit for purpose and can't actually be enacted.
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Speaker 12: And look, praise to the minister for solving this one quick,
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Speaker 12: smart and I hope that this is actually a sign
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Speaker 12: of the kind decisions we're going to see in the
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Speaker 12: next couple of years.
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Speaker 3: We will see.
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Speaker 2: I think they'll be munk by the reality of needing
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Speaker 2: the revenue from the experts for the bottom line. But
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Speaker 2: you know, prove me wrong, Murray, what a climbate two
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Speaker 2: hundred They made their biggest donations surprise, surprise, maryal to
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Speaker 2: trying to unseat Coalition MPs at the election. I know
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Speaker 2: you had a tough race in your seat of Monash,
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Speaker 2: you clearly won it. You're with us tonight, But this
44:42
Speaker 2: is a lobby group that is not going away. They
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Speaker 2: threw about half a million dollars at TiAl candidates, including
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Speaker 2: in your seat.
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Speaker 3: This is right across the board. Now, I want to
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Speaker 3: see the A C.
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Speaker 2: Mary start to call these tials what they are, and
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Speaker 2: that's a party.
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Speaker 11: Well, if it walks like a duck and it quacks
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Speaker 11: like a duck, Peter, they do operate like a party.
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Speaker 11: And in fact, my Climate two hundred funded TiAl candidate
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Speaker 11: in Monash had accounted at least three Monique Ryan volunteers
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Speaker 11: and office bearers come down and train her volunteers in
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Speaker 11: our seat of Gippsland. They spent about one and a
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Speaker 11: half million.
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Speaker 3: Dollars all up.
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Speaker 11: I think Climate two hundred spent twenty nine dollars per
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Speaker 11: voter in Monash and so that topped the list Australia wide,
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Speaker 11: which I've got to say is a terrible return on
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Speaker 11: investment for the eventual outcome. But our community locally said no,
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Speaker 11: we're not for sale. You cannot just walk in and
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Speaker 11: buy this electorate, and it was really good to see
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Speaker 11: a repudiation of their tactics locally. But I think it's
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Speaker 11: time that they were held to a much higher account
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Speaker 11: than they have been historically.
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Speaker 3: And just quickly your declaration. Has that been made yet?
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Speaker 11: I had a phone call this afternoon that said we're
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Speaker 11: looking at this Friday for a formal declaration of the
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Speaker 11: pole here really looking outward to that.
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Speaker 2: A little early congratulations from all of us here at
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Speaker 2: Sky News.
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Speaker 3: That's it. Thank you both for your time. After the break.
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Speaker 3: Kel Richard's.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, joining me as he does every Wednesday. Kel Richards, Well,
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Speaker 2: welcome back, Kel.
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Speaker 3: Great to have you.
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Speaker 2: There's some good ones here that I have got no
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Speaker 2: idea what the answers will be, so I'm looking forward
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Speaker 2: to this as much as everybody else. Hey, dune and dusted.
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Speaker 2: John wants to know what's the origin of this phrase?
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Speaker 13: Very interesting one, and a lot of people would agree
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Speaker 13: with you that its origin is uncertain. The experts are
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Speaker 13: still looking around recorded from nineteen thirty, although I suspect
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Speaker 13: it comes from earlier in the century. Of the nineteen thirty.
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Speaker 13: I've looked at all the possibilities. I think the most
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Speaker 13: persuasive one is it comes from the days when sawdust
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Speaker 13: was spread on the floor to absorb possible spills and
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Speaker 13: swept up at the end of the day. Happen in
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Speaker 13: butcher shops and in pubs and places like that. And
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Speaker 13: if you cleaned up at the end of the day
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Speaker 13: and dusted the floor ready for the next day, then
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Speaker 13: you were done and dusted. I think that's the most
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Speaker 13: persuasive one.
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Speaker 3: Sounds good.
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Speaker 2: We used to have to do the sweeping over the
47:14
Speaker 2: kitchen as we wash the dishes in the days before dishwashers,
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Speaker 2: so I think that stands to reason in households as well. Hey,
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Speaker 2: James wants to know about flotsam and jetsam.
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Speaker 13: Okay, started out in maritime law. Flotsam was those parts
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Speaker 13: of a recship which floated, and jetsam was that which
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Speaker 13: had been thrown overboard jettison. In other words, the distinction
47:36
Speaker 13: was important, apparently when it came to rights of collecting
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Speaker 13: treasure and collecting that kind of thing. So why it
47:46
Speaker 13: was important in maritime law, I'm not certain.
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Speaker 11: But it was.
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Speaker 3: English or American.
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Speaker 13: Oh, it's English goes back about three hundred years so
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Speaker 13: it goes back to the days when ships are more
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Speaker 13: likely to break up. And I guess.
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Speaker 2: Peter, one of our viewers, says he is appalled by
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Speaker 2: how many people who say disinterested when they really mean uninterested,
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Speaker 2: and he wants to know is he right to be annoyed?
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Speaker 13: Yes, Peter, you're right to be annoyed. Disinterested means impartial,
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Speaker 13: you're not committed to one side or the other. Uninterested
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Speaker 13: means you're bored out of your brain. So they clearly
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Speaker 13: mean very different things. But the Oxford warns us that
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Speaker 13: these days, in informal conversation, a disinterested is being used
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Speaker 13: when uninterested is meant. And they think we ought to
48:33
Speaker 13: give up on the battle. We've lost this one.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I think I got to fight the war.
48:39
Speaker 2: I mean, once we let Grammar go, we might as well.
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Speaker 3: Pack up and go.
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Speaker 2: Hi. That's what you're here for every Wednesday, Cal, I'll
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Speaker 2: leave it there. There was one I use all the time,
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Speaker 2: but we'll leave that for next week. All right, that's
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Speaker 2: it for me, see tomorrow night. Here's Andrew