Latest / The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network / Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, March 10

Transcript

Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, March 10 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Jeffuars did you don't check what Jack Wars did? Jaguars
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Drive Time? Ryan Sex steps there, John says Ash Jaguars
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: Drive Time starts right now. Welcome in Jack's Drive Time.
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: Tuesday Morning, brought to you by Jet Home Loans. Coming
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: off the NFL Combine, getting ready for the Draft. We're
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: kind of in this weird middle phase now. I guess
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: you could say getting ready for the draft, but we're
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: gonna be getting ready for the draft of the next
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: few weeks. Sure, you're being ready for free agency, which
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: around here. I don't think it's going to be quite
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: the flash point offseason moment as it has been in
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: years past, but it still matters. Big story tools this
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: week is the cb A vote. It's due. They've extended
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: it now to Saturday night. Um free agency or whatever
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: free agency is going to be. We'll be dictated in
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: part by whether they ratify the c BA or not.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: It'll it'll determine pay scales and uh in things of
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: that nature. So I know folks are looking at who
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: might the Jaguars sign, who might they released, But that
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: CBA vote is going to be really critical. I think
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: Saturday by midnight is when they have to have it finished. Well,
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: I think for Layman's terms, it until they get that vote.
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: It's not so much that it's going to affect things
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: moving forward, but it's sort of stalls things because they
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: don't know how much well it's going to it's have
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: to negotiate a contract until you know the c b A.
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: And there's a completely different set of rules when it
• 1:32
  Speaker 1: comes to the final year of the c b A,
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: for instance, or something called the thirty percent rule. So
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: the percent rule doesn't allow a player's salary cap number
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: to increase more than I thought it would be thirty
• 1:46
  Speaker 1: I thought because of the name of the rule. And
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: the issue with that is is that a lot of
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: free agents are looking for big jumps and you can't
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: have that. And there's lots of of all rules that
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: people shouldn't really pay attention to. But getting the CBA
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: done allows teams the flexibility, both from a cap perspective
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: and from a rules perspective, to be really aggressive and
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: if not, as John said, it will be stalled and
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: they'll be sitting thinking, Okay, what do we do Because
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: until it gets everybody knows there's going to be more
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: money available. But until it gets done. They don't know
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: how much more So, how much more do you pay
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: a unique and gut way or how much can you
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: afford to give clay As Campbell? And if you do,
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: you know you it's it's gotta be more, but you
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: don't know how much. So all of a sudden you
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: can't sign on the line, you can't do the next thing. Well,
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: remember also that the owner said it's this or nothing.
• 2:33
  Speaker 1: We're not going to negotiate again until after after this season.
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: So they it's the players are heavily incentivized, especially the
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: rank and file, the six of the league that makes
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: less than a million dollars. That's enough to ratify it
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: and make it go. So I would expect that it does. Um,
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: but they're heavily incentivized to get this thing done. And
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: I wonder and if in ten years, if this gets
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: right of and it's it's clearly for players, for lack
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: of a better way of putting it, a case of
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: the haves and the haves not not. You know, well
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: you're feeling differently about it. Would you see some sort
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: of jacked up electoral college system later on where veterans
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: would get more of a say with the theory that
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be making more money, so it represents you know,
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: if I'm five thousand dollar guy, I can hear Aaron
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: Rodgers gripe and all I want, but I really don't care.
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: Extra hundred thousand it means to me every years. Yeah,
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's a couple of years of salary for
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: them once they get out the league, if they're smart.
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: So you wonder if they won't try to change the
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: representations as a little more representative, because right now, clearly
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: a six hundred thousand dollar salary group can out vote
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: the Aaron Rodgers Russell Wilson's in the world. And uh,
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: you wonder if the NFL p A might try to
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: figure out a way to make it more balanced on
• 3:59
  Speaker 1: that level. Who Well, we side track a little bit,
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: but we're gonna talk about free agency in the draft
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: and free agency in particular. Everything we say could be
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: moot if they don't get this done right. As well
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: as the franchise tag deadline this week as well, well,
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: that's still there. That's Thursday, four o'clock, big time for
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: Unique and Gockway news this week. All right, let's get
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: into big things. Big thing one is a clue, a
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: big thing that's going to tell us what the Jaguars
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: are in right now? Are you they when? When? Now
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: mode or rebuild mode? Is this clue? The Jaguars trading
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: a J boy to Denver, and we knew this was
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: going to happen. We knew most likely a J Boy
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: would not be in a Jaguars uniform. But trading away
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: a better player on your defense, does that mean you're
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: in win now mode? Does that mean you're in rebuild mode?
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: We've heard alternating thoughts on this, so we're gonna try
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: to figure out what mode they're in at this moment.
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: With the Jaguars. Big thing to previewing free agency opens
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: up next week. You know, have thirty four million dollars
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: in cap space. Even with those savings savings, we don't
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: expect them swing for the fences like we've seen the
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: last years. Obviously, last year the big free agent was
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: Nick Foles. The year before that you had d J.
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: Hayden Andrew Norwell joining. The squad has been spending a
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: lot of money in free agency the past two seasons.
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: We don't expect that to happen this year. And finally,
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: big Thing three, Yes, We're talking about it just like
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: anyone else, the coronavirus. How does this impact the NFL?
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: How does this impact the Jaguars? We saw yesterday on
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: Twitter all active sports leagues right now are closing their
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: locker rooms to the media. NBA, NHL, no media in
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: the locker rooms. Brian, I was telling you earlier this
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: morning that the UF has changed all their classes to
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: online instead of in person. How does this, if it
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: does impact the Jaguars. Well, you also saw this weekend
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: that an outdoor tennis event Indian wells uh, they canceled it.
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: So it seems far fetched at this point to think
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: that this will still be in play by the time
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: we get to the NFL season, But doesn't mean it
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: won't have a long term impact. You wonder if a
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: confect the draft, the rafts coming up well first and foremost,
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: I think I think the n C double a tournament,
• 6:07
  Speaker 1: you know, bear some risk on this one and what
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: do they do there? Um? And then the draft in
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: Las Vegas, which is a city that is always crowded
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: and full of people. You wonder how that comes into play. Um.
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know that the NFL is taking active steps
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: at this moment. All, I'm sure they are with the draft, um,
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: but I've got to think that there are they're watching
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: it closely and their facilities. People all around the league
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: are talking about if this then that you know, I
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: just you watch the news and you see what's going
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: on in Italy where they yesterday quarantine, shutdown, rails, quarantine
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: the entire country perhaps, and it feels like just a
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: matter of time before we start to see things like
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: that here in sporting events. Are those you know, those
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: mass gatherings and people that cities are trying to do
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: away with right now, trying to ban right, They're obviously
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: bigger issues in sports in this, but amazing. I mean,
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: it only missed. It's what March twelve, March ten, twelve, whatever, um.
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: And I if this comes in five weeks earlier, I
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: was sudden, you know what tell about the Super Bowl?
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if they had you know, not a
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: lot of people in this, I mean, it would have
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: been an issue. Yeah, it would have been bizarre. So uh,
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: I think fortunately for the NFL, and again there's bigger
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: issues than this involved, but fortunately for the NFL, it
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: does feel like four or five months it'll probably cycle
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: out where it's not an issue. But I think the
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: draft is the thing to watch for the NFL. It's
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: it's interesting to follow how this is all starting to
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: come in line and again bigger than football. This morning,
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: American Airlines in Southwest Carolines announced that they were reducing flights.
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: Um so I would think the next month or two
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: were going to be really interesting from a sports perspective
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: on how they do this. Oh yeah, all right, let's
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: go back up to big thing one when now are rebuilt.
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: We talked last week. Hey, look we talked last week.
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm confused. You know, all of the signs
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: from a football perspective say that this is a team
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: that needs to rebuild to be fair. Since Da've Caldwell
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: arrived in he's never used the term rebuild. He's always well,
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: it's a term that we've used around here. He's always
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: just talked about build, build, build, take what you've got
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: built for this season, however, sending a j boy off
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: even though I don't know that anybody, I don't know
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: that he played that well last year that people said, well,
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: you gotta keep him right, And I think a lot
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: of us thought that he would not be here because
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: of the eleven point four million dollars in Camport leave
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: that he offered. To me, that was a clear sign.
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: Did you see it the same way? Well? I didn't,
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: only because I thought from day one when boy A
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: signed the contract, it felt like a three year deal,
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: so especially once it started to come into focus that
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: it was an even million dollar cap hit. It never
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: occurred to me that a boy would be here next year,
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: So it didn't feel like a rebuild as much as okay,
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: this is the stage of his contract that this has
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: to happen. And it was same with Marcel Darius. So
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: it may have been that I was so close to
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: it and have been looking at it for so long
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: that it didn't surprise me. It's going to feel like
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: a rebuild because they continue, They're going to continue to
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: skew younger, because they've got to get rid of these
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: contrasts and get back. They're not thinking about it as
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: a rebuild, but you sort of hope that they can,
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: I guess rebuild on the flies what they're trying to do.
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: So so that's not yeah, that's not rebuilding. That's what
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: Davids always talked about building year to year. Here's why
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: it seems so even though I didn't anticipate him being
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: here right Marcel's gone, it sure seems like there's something
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: coming with Unique. I don't know what that's gonna be
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: hold out or if they tag him and trade him
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: and then a J boy A on the back end,
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: you are leaving holes in your defense that you're going
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: to fill with. Yeah, I don't know that you feel
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: like boy as a big hole compared to what last year,
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: because I'm not sure that they feel like he played
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: that well and Marcel played ten games or six games.
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: So I think there's a perspective from inside the building
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: of yes, we're gonna miss the names and the people.
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: But I don't think they feel like they're going to
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: drop off very much. If they draft those two. I
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: expect when to go defense, tackle, cornerback in the first
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: two round. I mean in the first two picks. I
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: don't think they feel like he's going to be much
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: of a drop off. Now. If there's more leaving, then
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you reach a point of diminishing
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: returns more being Clinique or Calais or you know, X
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: x Y another big guy. It's to me, I think
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: it's more of a forced rebuild. I guess it's probably
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: the way to go. I do think it's an obvious one.
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk more about this, but you know,
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: he's got his distractors right now. But give Coldwell credit.
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: To get a fourth round pick for Jo was a
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: which one of us expected that. No, it's a terrific
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: move craft great for him. I mean to find some
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: to John Elway that was willing to give him a
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: fourth round pick for a player that all of us
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: thought was gone, no matter what we were talking about.
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: That is one to his credit right now. And what
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: else is out there? Well, and you know, again to
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: his credit, he has his detractors. Um, he's done that
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: a lot. He got a six round for Gabbett, he
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: got equity for Luke Buencou. Throughout the course of his
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: time here he has been able to get in two
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: ones for Jalen. Ramsey says, that's a no brainer. Uh,
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: it's tough to get first round equity for any player
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: in this league when you're trade him. He's not a quarterback.
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: He got to for eight a cornerback. Um, that was
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: a good trade. Dante Fowler got equity four didn't give up.
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't get as much as most fans
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: want because every fan wants the first round pick and
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: exchanged for everybody. But on that front, he has got
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of equity, and now they've got a lot
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: of equity in the draft here. I would love to
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: be a fly on the wall and hear the conversations
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: about Unique Gagway at this moment because tag him, trade
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: him whatever they decided to do. You know, the conversations
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: you're being had right now, there are the conversation I
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: wish you wouldn't. I wish he didn't want to darn
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: much money expensive. Come on, come on, all right, let's
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: got a big thing too quickly previewing free agency and
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: I I go back to last year when we were
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: starting to hear things about Nick Foles and getting into
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: free agency and kind of expecting a really big week
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: last year. This year totally different field. It's like, oh yeah,
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: free agencies next week type of deal. Well, I thank you,
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Brian. You know, usually the m O has
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: been an announcement on Wednesday and then sort of a
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: you know, prayed everybody into the press conference and they
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: sit in front of their placards. It's like, I'm Andrew Nowa.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't think you're gonna see that sort
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: of pomp and circumstance. And I think you might see
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon it announced and a Friday press conference, because
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: I don't get the idea that they are going to
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: be setting the market with and they'll be in the
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: conversation on on Wednesday afternoon in those days of free
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: agency trying to see where the negotiations are going. I
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: don't think they're going to be setting the market, which
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: I think will cost them or event them from being
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: heavily involved. And this offseason, I'm not so sure that's bad.
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: So they're tagging Unique and got Way on Thursday right now.
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: If they release Marquisley, who's a guy that they could
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: move on from right and free up some more room.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: That'll get him up towards you know, forty million dollars
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: roughly in cap room, but half of that goes immediately
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: to in Gockway's franchise. T Thanks Swain's got four or
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: five million, so maybe so maybe you get a little
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: over there, but but basically you're if you've got forty
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: million and Dockway and his cap figure. Take you back
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: to twenty You've got two first round picks, which means
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: that your rookie pool is probably going to be million dollars.
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: You only have seven million, eight million dollars to spend
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: in that, you know, and that's if that's you do
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: release those other two players and you don't trade around
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: in the pick, so they can't set them work. And
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: I you know, I gotta I know that Dave is
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: always aggressive and finds a way to get things done.
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: But I would almost think that this is the first
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: free agent period in recent memory where we don't see
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: anyone on the first day of free agency. Yeah, I
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: think they will their m O and they've been very
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: good about it in recent years. They want to come
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: out of the first ten days of free agency feeling
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: like if they had to go line up tomorrow, they
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: would they'd win, they'd be playing in May. But if
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: they had to do that, um, they would have they
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: would know who their starting lineup was and they would
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: feel okay about it. On that front, I would expect
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: them to maybe get veteran middle linebacker so that if
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: they want to move Miles, they would have somebody that
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: they trust who could call signals, Um, perhaps go that
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: route at cornerback, somebody who they would feel like, Okay,
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: if we draft a guy, then we can have competition
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: and one of these guys will be a really good backup,
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: but we're okay with him starting. That would be harder
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: to do because they have as much money. But those
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: are the kind of I don't really expect um premier
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: tight end to be walking in the door on Wednesday,
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: and that's what people sort of hope. But I think
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: they're going into it thinking, um, we know we can
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: line up there with their Shaughnessy and Oliver and let's
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: see what happens in the draft or third day free agent.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: There are no bargains on day one, so I mean
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: it's got to be the right fit. There's only high
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: risk semi reward usually all right. When we come back
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: on Jaguars Drive, Tomy go position by position looking at
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: defensive backs this week on the Jaguars Digital Network. Did
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: you hear the last two years the Jaguars were turned
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: up hunt for a touchdown, earning local families one hundred
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars towards the dream Finders home. Lauren Rooks here
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: letting you know that could be you this season. Visit
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: any dream Finders Homes model and register to win to
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: take it to the house promotion for your chance at
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: scoring one hundred thousand dollars towards your dream Finders home.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Dream Finders Homes homes built to fit your lifestyle. It's
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: your month, America, because this is Ford Truck Month. Your
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: month for great deals on legendary four trucks like F one, fifty,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Super Duty and Ranger. Your month to drive forward F series,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: America's best selling trucks forty three years straight. Your month
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: for big time power, off ro of capability and turning
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: heads around town. Your months, well, you get the idea
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: based on nineteen seventy seven through twenty nineteen category year
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: total sales, great deals, tough trucks. Oh yeah, it's Ford
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Truck Months alright. Pinpoint, the official signage partner of the
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars, helps business decision makers like you maximize the
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: impact of their brand. Your company's identification, advertising, and even
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: the words you use make an impression on your clients.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: With Pinpoint as your coach, you can make sure it's
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: a good impression. Pinpoint provides a creative design and production
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: services for anything you need to enhance your brand, from
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: custom signage to complete marketing solutions. Step up your game
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: with Pinpoint and create the ultimate brand experience for your clients.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Visit Experience Pinpoint dot com. You can step up to
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: luxury now. Hello, I'm Dan Fields. Whatever you're driving, you
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: can step up to luxury now plus get our Field's amenities,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: which include complementary loners, car washes, and our cafes. Make
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: this your year to step up to luxury at Fields, Cadillac, Mercedes, Bands, Porsche,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: land Rover, Jaguar, and Lexus. When it comes to the
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: ultimate card buying experience, there's only one name that matters. Fields,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: and Fields matters because you matter. The Fields Auto Group
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: called partners of your Jacksonville Jaguars. It's electric. How would
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: you like to have your electric bill paid for the
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: entire Jaguars regular season? Our good friends of mcgawans Eating
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: and air Conditioning are giving you that chance. Go to
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Jaguars dot com slash McGowan's and try to guess the
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Jaguars schedule. McGowan's the official heating and air conditioning partner
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Back on Jacks drive time. In
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the off season, we made a new segment called Position
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: by position, looking at every position on this Jaguars roster,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: looking at the current depth chart, looking at some free agents,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: some draft picks, plugging in some hole. So this week
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: we're looking at defensive back, cornerback in safety a little
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: different now that a J Boy was traded to the
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. You have Ronnie Harrison and Cody Davis, d J. Hayden,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: who a lot of times I think goes unnoticed as
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: what a good player he is. In this defensive back
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Jared Wilson, tre Hernan can't forget about the locks, Andrew
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Wingard the locks. So yeah, last year, Dalen Ramsey, a
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: J Boy, the big bull names in this group. Now
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: it looks totally different this season. And yeah, you you
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: clearly went from having arguably the best two cornerbacks in
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the league a year and a half ago, if we're
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: talking about this, and two safeties that you felt like
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: were key to what they were doing. And d J. Hayden,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, you went from having five guys who you
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have been shocked, maybe not Bury Church, but a
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: bunch of guys that could have been to Pro Bowl
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: to now a bunch of guys that you know, who
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: do you feel great about? I think they love Herndon.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I think they really think he's gonna be a good
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: two corner. Beyond that, I don't know that they know
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: what they have. Well, you know what DJ Hayden is, Well,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: he's been a bit but young. Absolutely. The thing that
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: stood out there to me was there were only two
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: corners listed and you play a lot of nickel here,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: which means you know you've got to go find you
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: don't have another Tray Herndon sitting back there. Her has
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: been around a couple of years. They don't have a
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: guy that they like as much there. So you would
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: figure with one of their first three picks, if not
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the first round, then high in the second round pick,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: they're going to draft a corner, a young corner. And
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I could see him drafting too. I could see him
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: if they keep all ten picks. I could see him
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: later in the draft going there for a couple of waysons, Brian,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: you know this. You know he can get on the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: field and a pinch and you love drafting defensive backs
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: for special teams because they can do everything. But all right,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: so let's look at some free agents possibly maybe that
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: could be addressed going into next week. Yes, by the way,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: not to interrupt, which I did, Uh, what you do?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I don't see them moving Hayden outside. You know, he's
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: a corner and he can obviously play that position. Uh.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: And I've got a lot of e mail is about
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: why don't do that? Yeah? Couldn't they just kick him outside?
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: And said, I think Brian that he's far more of
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: a nickelback. I don't think this regime believes move this
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: guy here. We can nickelback and make a change at
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: two positions. Nickel Back is enough of a starting role
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: that is very good at that when he plays. So
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: why I moved him from where he's good anyway? Slenn,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm sorry, that's okay. So basically this free
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: agency that we're looking at, Byron Jones is the big
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: one out of Dallas, and you're not gonna get him,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, because that's money. That's a boy, a sort
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: of contract, a big money deal. Um. But and the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: other three guys are safeties primarily, and Justin Simmons is
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: going to get the tag. Chris Harris is older than
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: you'd like, and he's going to command more money than
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: you're gonna want to pay. But there's another Viking, Trey Waynes,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: who former first round pick, who has never become the star.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: But maybe a change of scheme or scenery would do
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: him well. You know, you might be able to get
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: him on a on a shore term to three year
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: deal that you can make work with your salary cap um.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I'm with you that if there's gonna be a signing,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: a free agent signing, it's going to be in the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: back seven on the defensive side. Um. But it'll be
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: a it's not going to be a guy that's make
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: people are gonna go WHOA. It'll be a Jeff Swain
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: last year level signing in the secondary, a guy who's
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: gotten you know, probably if if you're looking for look
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: for a guy who started five or six games last year,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: who maybe played nickel for somebody who is ready to
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: make that move. Uh, the scouts and Dave are gonna
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: have to earn their money this. It's not gonna be
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: able to you know. And they don't do this. I'm exaggerating,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: but they can't go and bleacher Report and look at
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the top five and pick the best guy out of that,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: and obviously they don't do that. But you're not gonna
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: find what they're looking for if you're trying to figure
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: it out with the top three guys in any of
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the positions. I don't think this is this is the
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: group that you could see them spending money in free
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: agency and draft capital in both respects, because we remember
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: what happened in when they signed boy A and added
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: bury Church and how quickly they were able to rise. Well,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: think about how much different this looks if you draft
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: at number twenty. Most mock drafts him had him taken
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: a cornerback number twenty Henderson uh Folding from L s
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: U somebody in that range. If you draft that guy
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and he's good, how much different you're looking at their cornerbacks.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: The next day you're looking at a really good young
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: rookie you hope, you're looking at Trey hern where okay two,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: and then you're looking at d J. Hayden. All of
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: a sudden you feel okay about that spot. As long
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: as the rookies for real, what you never know? And then,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: as we talked about last week, what if something, What
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: if teams are vaulting into the top five to be
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: able to grab a quarterback and Akudah slides to a
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: point where you might be able to make a move
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: on that absolutely and then you're not asking. Okay, we
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: gotta push t. J. Hayden outside and that has to
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: happen because now that whole is immediately filled. If you
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: place that kind of a player, then your scenario comes
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: to mind. Here we go, here we go. Yep, Yeah,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: to deal with all the other stuff, but you got
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: one figured out. Feel good at corner. That's all you
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: can ask for with position by position. This week when
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: we come back, I visit the Ozone mail back here
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: on Jaguars Drive Time. Did you hear the last two
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: years the Jaguars returned up hunt for a touchdown, earning
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: local families one hundred thousand dollars towards a Dream Finders Home.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Lauren Rooks here letting you know that could be you
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: this season. Visit any dream Finders Homes model and register
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: to win to take it to the house promotion for
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: your chance at scoring one hundred thousand dollars towards your
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: dream Finders home. Dream Finders Homes homes built to fit
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: your lifestyle. You can step up to luxury now. Hello,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I'm Dan Fields. Whenever you're driving, you can step up
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: to luxury now. Plus get our Fields amenities, which include
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: complementary loaners, car washes and our cafes. Make this your
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: year to step up to luxury at Fields, Cadillac, Mercedes, Bends, Porsche,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Land Rover, Jaguar and Lexus. When it comes to the
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: ultimate card buying experience, there's only one name that matters Fields,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and Fields matters because you matter. The Fields Auto Group
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: called Partners of your Jacksonville, Jaguars Advice Star. We believe
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: in better and that means treating people better with friendly
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: personal service that's kept our members happy since ninety two,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: a smile and personal greeting when you enter the branch,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: an online or phone chat for those quick questions, and
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the call center that's open every day. If you believe
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: that great services better, join by Star. We never forget that.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: It's your money. All loans subject to approval insured by
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: m c u A. It's your month, America, because this
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: is for truck Month. Your month for great deals on
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: legendary four trucks like F one fifty Scheeper Duty and Range.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Your month to drive Forward F series America's best selling
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: trucks forty three years straight. You're a month for big
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: time hour, all throad game ability and turning heads around town.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Your month to well, you get the idea. It's based
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: on nineteen seventy seven through twenty nineteen category year total sales.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Great deal, it's tough trucks. Oh yeah, it's four truck
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: months all right, back on drags, Drive Time Tuesday Morning,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: brought to you by Jet Home Loans saying congrats to
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: our guy, Josh Allen. Welcome to his second son over
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the weekend. Now has a three year old boy and
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: a newborn baby boy, and Caitlin and Josh good luck. Yeah,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: but regardless, we will say congrats. That's a young man's game,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: right Yeah, well there and they're they're young enough that
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: they can handle them. But if they have another, they're
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: gonna be out numbered. Yes, and watching Wesley, their three
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: year old, I will boys got some enters. Will never
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: forget walking into the green room in Nashville last year
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: to find Josh and to see him standing there holding
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Wesley Um and walking out on stage with his young
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: son to meet the Commissioner uh Allen. Josh Allen is
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: a stud football player and a terrific young man, just
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: as good as you could ask for as a football team.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: To have that kind of a player and that kind
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: of a man representing you, well, he's the hope of
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the franchise, right, you bet he is. I mean, John Taylor,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: DJ Chart are part of the core. Josh Allen is
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the guy that this franchise can build around for the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: next ten years. He's what people hoped against hope that
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey would be and ain't the same thing. Josh
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Allen is a foundation piece on in on many fronts,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: and you hope that you're sitting in a position this
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: year again with quarterbacks available to other teams that if
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: you're not going to get one, that it's going to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: push another kind of player like that into your lab.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I go back to last year Nashville when we had
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: him on Jaguars All Access. I asked him, was that
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: always the plan to carry Wesley on stage? Did you
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: you know? Did you and Caitlin talk about that. He's like, well,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't I bring Wesley on stage? Like it was
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: just without a doubt. Of course he's coming. And I
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: always thought, I think a lot of fans thought like
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: that was the plan to always have his son be
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: part of that moment. He's like, well, yeah, why wouldn't
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: he be there? That's just it was good for the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: league because there were some stories circulating in in the
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: news that day about other players who had had domestic
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: abuse issues, and when he walked out with Wesley, it
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: was really good for the NFL. Yes, it was all right.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: And now let's visit the ozone mail back. This is
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: usually about me and it should be. But um I
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: noticed the Jaguars drivetime graphics in it. Yes, they are
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: look fabulous. This is our new look. Kudos too, Whatever
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: underling did that? Do you mean to tell me you
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: didn't have a part in that? Well, I planned it,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: but design, Yeah, I figured you had a lot to
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: do with that. All right, let's go to Green Cove Springs, Florida. Matt,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: what do you got for us? With a J boy
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: getting traded this week? I feel everyone has forgotten just
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: how good d J. Hayden has been for us. I
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: know he primary plays in the slot, but there has
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: to be at least some discussion playing him on the outside. Well,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's been discussed, but I don't think it's
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: something they're gonna I turned off my sound. I don't
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: know how that happened. Any go ahead, Jayhawks. Um, I
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: think they're discussing d J. Hayden. I think it would
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: be an emergency. I think if maybe, if the draft
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't go the way they hope, maybe, but they see
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Hayden is a nickel. And again, I don't think you
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: move a very good player at a very at what
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: has basically become a starting position. Is fifteen years ago,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: you would have probably moved d J. Hayden now with
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: all the slot stuff going on in complexities in the
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: middle of the field, and he's really good at a
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: lot of different things in the slot. Um maybe the
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: foremost among them being directing traffic well. And he can
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: also he's a better blitzer. It seems like a very
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: high percentage of times they send him he impacts the play.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: So I don't think this happens. And uh, again, I
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: think he's He's right. I think what Ashton said earlier
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: shows right. He might be the most overlooked really good
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: player in this team. Not every top six or seven
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: good players in the same Not every guy can go
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: inside and play. They're not all comfortable there. I mean physically,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: You're right, he does a lot of different things. But
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I had more than one linebacker and defensive back last year.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Tell me that nobody understands as quickly as d J.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Hayden does what's happening on the offensive side of the ball,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: and he is able to digest it and get everybody
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: in position. Uh. He directs traffic in the middle of
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the field and I don't think you could take her
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: inside and and asked him to do the exact same thing.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: And what an interesting NFL player he is in the
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: sense that he was a like number ten pick, never
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: let pick in the draft and by the Raiders, didn't
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: quite work out on the outside. Uh, A lot of guys,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you know, cornerback, you have to be on the outside,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: you'd be taken away the top guy or you're you know.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: He has in essence, reinvented himself and he's in I
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: think you're eight and has forged himself a really, really
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: nice career. There were some injuries in and his was
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: overlooked because Leonard was injured at the exact same time.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: But there's no mistaking how that defense struggled. Remember that
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: at Aaron Colvin, who played Nicol at a high level,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: and they were counting on Hayden to play well and
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: he missed that great stretch from the end of September
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: into early November with the toe Navy so terrific player,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and you're right that definitely did get overlooked because of
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: all the other injuries at all. Right, let's go to
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Eddie in Jacksonville. Hey, oh, I know how much you
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: like drive draft hypotheticals, because who doesn't. If you were
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: able to draft Auburn defensive tackle Derek Brown at number
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: nine and then move up to number fifteen and get
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: South Carolina's Kin Law, would you do it? You know?
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I think the just to the question is would you
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: sell out to get too defensive tackles? Is the position
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: that important? I would not absolutely not mind if it
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: was two defensive tackles in the first three picks. Philosophically
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: fine with that is Basquat against the run. I don't think, Brian,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: that I would be in favor this year of I
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: think Brown would be the definition of getting their guy
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: at number nine, So you'd feel great about that. That
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: would be this year is Josh Allen? Would you what
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I want them to come back? Give up what it
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: would take to move up five spots for the same
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: position and give up the equity that it would take
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: because I assume they would take probably a third round
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: pick to do that. I think this team needs more
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: things than just going after a second defensive tackle or
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: even a second great player. I think you can everything
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: you hear from draft analysts is that is that this
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: draft goes really really good about twenty players, which means
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be somebody good at twenty because teams are
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: going up to get quarterbacks who aren't in that twenty list.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I would stay at twenty and corners, the Henderson kid
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: from Florida, the Dig's kid from Alabama, the Terrell kid
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: from Clemson. You obviously need one, and twenty is about
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: where those guys called the Fulton kid from l s
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: U All should be sitting around there. Something else to consider.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: The Dragonars have Josh Allen, right, and he's a first
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: round pick, and then you're thinking Derek Brown, Right, there's
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: another first round pick. You have three first round picks
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: playing on your defensive line whose contracts all come together
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: about the same time that constricts your cap in in
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: in years ahead. And you have to be looking strategically
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: at that because you you hope your first round picture
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: guys that you keep over the long term. But if
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: all three of them are coming up for mega contracts,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to keep all three of them.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: You'd rather have an offensive lineman, a quarterback, a wide receiver,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: a defensive back. So you're spreading the money across your
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: roster and not too heavy. A lot of people don't
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: look at it that way, but you look at the
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Redskins who are looking at Chase Young, Well, the last
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: two years they've taken big defensive tackles from Alabama and
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: now you're going to add one from Ohio State. All
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: of them are gonna come up about the same time.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Part of the reason you're hearing them talking about trading
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: back or maybe investigating quarterback is they're looking at their
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: salary structure and thinking, do we want three defensive linemen
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: without neglecting other parts of the rosters. So I don't
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: know that it makes sense to go and spend that
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: on Javon kind Law at twenty. You get Derek Brown
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: at nine at I like what Daniel Jeremiah told Ashlandt
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: the combine moving back fire six spots in this draft.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense because say you're going
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: in your corner, it feels like you're going to have
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: a very good corner available at six whatever in that
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: range move back. I don't know if it he was
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: talking about possibly getting a first rounder next year for it.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you get that much, but you
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: get more equity. One other scenario considers if you don't
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: get Derek Brown at nine, would you go up to
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: fifteen to get kin Law? Oh yeah, that's a different stories.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Or or if you're at nine and the player that's
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: there for you is not someone who's high on your list,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: go back to fifteen and pick up kin Law. For sure.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I think kind Law is a fantastic player. I just
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: don't know that the two of those guys at the
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: same time, while passing on obvious need talent confluence right
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: where those guys come together at twenty like that. I
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: don't know that that would make sense. But I do
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: think Derek Brown, if you keep looking at the mock
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: drafts every single week, every week, he's going more and
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: more down because you have guys like Isaiah Simmons and
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the quarterback thing and that's going to keep pushing him down.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Where a month ago he was at three and there
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: was like, there's no way that jogguars are getting him
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: a night. Well, rarely do you see teams vault them
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: helves into the top five to grab a defensive tackle. Right,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: they're going up there, going up for quarterback. But that
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that someone doesn't love him enough to go
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: try and grab him at six or seven. So just
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: because the quarterbacks are pushing him down, doesn't mean he
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: gets to nine. Yeah, I have a great combine and
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: has pushed him down a little bit. What if he
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: comes in a pro day and blows everyone away? Well,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I also don't care if you had a great comment, right,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I mean all you heard all season and up until
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the combine was this kid was the top five player.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: It's all of a sudden because the way he runs
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: at the combine, they're down on him. Yeah, I don't
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: think so. I ain't feeling that he was a dominant
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: player in the most dominant conference in college football. Hard
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: to suggest that he's not worth it. Yeah, but that
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: fort time, I'm not asking him to run down the field.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: When we come back, we wrap up Jaguars drive time
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: with some Ashland. Ask here on the Jaguars Digital Network,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: did you hear the last two years the Jaguars returned
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: up punt for a touchdown, earning local families one hundred
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars towards a dream Finders Home. Lauren Brooks here
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: letting you know that could be you this season. Visit
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: any dream Finders Homes model and register to win the
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: take It to the House promotions for your chance at
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: scoring one hundred thousand dollars towards your dream Finders home.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Dream Finders Homes homes built to fit your lifestyle. High folks,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Frank frames you here for the best barbecue in town,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: that is Bonos. Head to Bonos today fifteen locations on
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the first coast and six more at t i A
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: A bank field. You see. Bonos is the official barbecue
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: of the Jacksonville Jaguars. You want great barbecue, you want Bonos.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Plenty of parking, clean family restaurants, and oh, by the way,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the best barbecue you have ever had. So if you
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: want great barbecue, head to Bonos today, the official barbecue
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Advice Star we believe in better,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: especially in helping build a better financial future for our members,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: so we reviewed our offerings from the ground up. We've
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: lowered or eliminated over half our fees and enhanced our
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: already competitive rates, saving members more than a million dollars
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: this year, in addition to the millions we saved them
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: every year. If you believe that saving money is better,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: join by Star. We never forget that. It's your money,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: all loan subject to approval, insured by n c u A.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: It's your month, America, because this is Ford Truck Month.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Your month for great deals on legendary four trucks like
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: F one, fifty Super Duty and Ranger. Your month to
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: drive forward F series, America's best selling trucks forty three
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: years straight. You're a month for big time hour off
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: road capability and turning heads around town. Your month to well,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: you get the idea. It's based on nineteen seventy seven
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: through twenty nineteen category year total sales, great deals, tough trucks.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's Ford Truck Month, all right. Our final
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: statement on Jags drive time This Tuesday morning, getting into
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: some tough questions with Ashlyn asked the boys are not
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: ready if they're racing well for once, I remember to
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: bring a paper towel so I don't have a red
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: finger when it's not as lucky. Here's a paper towel. Here,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: here's my blazer. All right, let's go all the way
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: back to big things. We really didn't discuss your personal
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: opinions on this. If you're shot Khan right now, are
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: you in rebuild or win now mode? What are you
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: telling people? Obviously you want to tell everyone you want
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: to win now, but can you actually do that right
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: now with this roster? What are you telling your staff
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: to focus on in this draft of free agency? And
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: if they have called is watching this, then just take
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the reoff and just build. I have nineteen draft picks
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: in the next two years. I am not sure who
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: my quarterback is, or at least that's what I've been
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: telling people that I have two quarterbacks I like. Um,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not certain of that at all. And
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: so my charge with my roster where it is now
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: holes on the defensive line in the secondary. Um, I'm
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: telling the Dave use those nineteen picks and let's set
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: ourselves up for the long term. My motto of this
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: offseason is I would rather win then than now. In
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: other words, John was with the Colts when they just
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: won a year after year after year after year. I
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: want that. I want to win in two and if
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I have to sacrifice the present for the future, I'm
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: willing to do that because I got the draft capital
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: to get it done. I just want to be a
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: buff ground in twenty eight. But rebuild and hope fifteen
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: is for real, meaning um earlier in the show, I
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: think they're rebuilding, almost forced by circumstance. I don't think
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: they would tell you, yes, we're rebuilding, But when you
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: look at a j Way not being able to be here,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: they knew in their plan wasn't gonna happen. So why
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: not get a draft pick for him? And yeah, we
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: can build and you can do the They're gonna be
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: incredibly young next year, so everybody's gonna look at this
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: as a rebuild, whether they say it is or not. Uh.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: And the way you get through that without being three
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: and thirteen is if the kid can play, and if
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: he can, will you into into four or five wins
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: and start making some magic happen. Then maybe you're rebuilding
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: on the fly and all of a sudden you're good
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: and it starts working. Fans are gonna see it until
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: it happens. So the Dolphins sold out last year, right,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I mean they traded everything away. They were outscored by
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: forty one to seven in the first four games. They
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: started oh and seven. They were one and seven in
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: the first half, and everyone went wow, tank for two
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: they stink uh, And then they finished four and four
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: in the second half, and some young players were identified.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: They've got a ton of draft capital and now in
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: a position pretty much to dictate what they want to do. Well.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I'd like to be in that position. I don't want
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: to be outscored forty one to seven, don't get me wrong,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: But I'd like to be able to take my lumps
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: looking at my roster realistically, looking at my draft capital,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: looking at my salary cap, because we've already laid out
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: that that is something that is restrictive right now, though
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: with a new c b A and with some contracts
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: leaving next year, it'll be in good shape. I want
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: to make the right moves for then, right for then
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I wanted. I don't want to sell out my future
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: because I've got a coach and a general manager who
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: are worried about their jobs. I want them to make
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the right decision for the long term. The Dolphins, by
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the way, won one fewer game than the Jaguars one
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: they went. They won five games when people thought they
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: might go one in fifteen with trading away star players
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: during the season. That didn't feel all that good to
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: look and see how much they were able to accomplish
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: in a year that the Jaguars had playoff hopes and
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: only won one more game. I want to make that mistake.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to forego the now and make good choices
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: for them. Sean, what are you doing? Okay? Here? I
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: think about this. I thought a scenario for next offseason.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: John Taylor, Josh Allen, and DJ Chart might next year
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: be going into years three and four? Right? It would
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: be year three? Yeah, three and four? If if they're
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: what you think they are and your first round pick
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: this year, first round pick, this year, second round pick,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: this year first round pick next to your first round
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: pick this, how's that for your core? If fifteen can play,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: and then add him to that list, you you could
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: by this time or in thirteen months, meaning up to
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the like next year's draft, all of a sudden have
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: one of the better young cores in football now, a
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: lot has to go right. Well, but those three players
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: aren't nothing to have right now. They've got something work with,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: don't get me right. You've got to add on to
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: it in the next two drafts without a doubt. And
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: you can't just say, well, don't worry about the future,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: win now, because I don't think. My opinion is is
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: that this roster is not a playoff roster, even with
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: those good young players on it. Even if Minshew, I
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: guess if Minshew came through and had a stupendous year,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: then maybe you find yourself in a position if you've
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: drafted well, but just go draft well and focus on
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: what's coming rather than yeah, than say well desperately, well,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: we've got to have this, so take it right here,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: take the best player available. It really worked out well
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: for you last year. So they're going to be precluded
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: from a certain part of win now anyway because of
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: what they can do in free agency. Again, it's almost
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: a forced rebuild. Yes it is all right, Ashlass number two,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: who are you swinging for? And this year's draft, if
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: there's a guy that you maybe have to go up
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: to spots to get, who's that I that is worth
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: swinging for giving up a few picks to have on
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: your roster next season. Maybe you gotta go up to
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: seven again five, I don't know. But what guy is
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: worth it's when I'm asking go ahead, I'm gonna say
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Derek Brown. I like Brian's answer better, but um, Derek Brown.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Although again the premise of your question, I would not
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: have somebody that I would go get if it's not
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: a quarterback. UM, and I don't think at number nine
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: that they have enough to go get a quarterback. So
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the home run pick to me would be Derek Brown,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: but only if he falls to Yet I'm not swinging
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: to go up and it's not a quarterback. I don't
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: think you can do it. I'm swinging for two of Uh.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: He was medically cleared. He had his re check UH.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: And the doctor, the Alabama doctor who did the surgery said,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: if you had told him that the scans would look
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: that good for months ago, he would have been a
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: static saying it's there. It medically cleared to fully participate
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: in football. Um. Here's the thing. The Jaguars in built
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: for the short term, because if you don't build around
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: the quarterback, you're building for the short term, and we
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: all saw how that fell apart. If you could say
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: for sure that Gardner Minshew is the man, then I
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: wouldn't say that. But nobody in this building can say
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: for sure he is. Um he's been medically cleared. There
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: are some people that believe that he is better than Burrow,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: a better prospect than Burrow. I'm not in a quarterback evaluator,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: but I look at Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson, who
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: they passed on. Some people will add Lamar Jackson to that.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: For my purpose, I'm just staying with the seventeen class.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Those two are twenty three and twenty four year old
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks who are m VP candidates. Now, a Super Bowl
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: winner I gotta have one. I can't just keep pushing
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: this thing down the road saying, well, I'm going to
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: play for Trevor Lawrence next year, because you don't know
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: that Trevor Lawrence is coming out because he won't have to,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: or that he doesn't get injured. If I think that
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: to Ah is that good, I do right. But if
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I think he's that good, I've got draft capital. I'm
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: spending it. I'm getting the quarterback because if I said
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: to you. Now, you take the two ones that you
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: got for Jalen Ramsey, would you trade that for Deshaun
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Watson Your answer would be heck yeah, yes, yeah. Or
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes your answer would be heck yeah. People can
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: argue whether too is worth that or not. I get it,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: but I got to have a young quarterback so that
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I can win then, and so I am swinging And
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: that was your question for two, and it would be
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: a swing, that's for sure. I would love it. Yeah,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: probably have to go up to what five? Two? That's
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: a big swing. It's a big swing, but you've got
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: the capital to do it. Yes, you do, all right.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Our final Ashlan ask of the show going into free
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: agency next week, if you had to pick one free
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: agent who you would personally like to have on this frost,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: who would it be? And why we can go position
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: group here, we can go individual free agent and we're
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: saying you, Brian Sexton and John Usier, if you had
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: to pick a guy who would you want to see,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: go for it. John, Um, I'm kind of swinging low
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: because tight end doesn't really excite people, but I would
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: like to have a tight end on this roster. Henry
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: might excite people. Yeah. Uh so I'm gonna say tight end.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: And I'm kind of lukewarm about the topic because I
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: don't anticipate this being a split. I mean the topics finance,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: no offense. I just don't anticipate anything we say here
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: becoming a reality in terms of what they're actually gonna get.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Uh okay, let's see it. I want Joe McCoy a
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: couple of reasons. One, you need help on the defensive line.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus has him listed as a top thirty
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: five UM defensive lineman. Right both positions. Um, they think
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: he's a and I'm going off their numbers, a one year, nine,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: nine and a half million kind of guys, So it
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: would fit. It's a position of need. And when he
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: was two years ago, when the Bucks came here to practice,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: he came over and spent twenty minutes talking to a
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: couple of us. He walked over and said, hey, Jacksonville media,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: what's going on in North Florida? And stood there after
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: practice in the heat and talked about where's a good
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: place to eat? H What did Jaguars fans? What? What's
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: the duvol chant all about? He knew a little bit
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: about it, he was, he was Calais Campbell like, so
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: he's a position of need. I remember the game in
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: October in Carolina and he was still a very good player.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: The number fits, the position fits, the person fits. In
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: a locker room that could use more good guys like this,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: veteran guys like this. And if you're going to draft
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: a defensive tackle, assuming that Derrick browner to javon Kinlaw
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: comes here, i'd like your McCoy. It makes sense for
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: another reason. Um, if if if you were telling me
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: offensive line, I would necessarily think it makes sense to
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: to sign offensive line and then draft because now, for
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: in a play, if you draft McCoy and Derek Brown,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: you're gonna find a way. I mean not don datricoin,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: but if you sign McCoy then draft Deeric Brown, you
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: can find a way for them both to contribute. So
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: what you're saying makes sense. I do think they will
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: sign a defensive tackle in free agency for the same
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: theory as as the cornerback we talked about earlier. UM,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know that they'll go that expensive on it,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: but it wouldn't shock me if if what you're talking
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: about happened. He's he's just to me. He checks all
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: the boxes. And I'm assuming, by the way Betel quote,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: that I could have him one year for ten million
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: dollars um. If I could do that, and even with
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: the Kapuchy space is, knowing how aggressive Dave codwall Is
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: can't roll it out, maybe we will see all right.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Free agency start next week. We will talk much more
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: about that on next Tuesday's drivetime. Stay tuned Thursday to
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Jaguars half the hour. We'll see you next week.