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Mega Edition: The Testimony Of The Electrical Engineer From MCC (1-4) (7/25/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to hear from
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Speaker 1: another employee from MCC who was interviewed by the OIG
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Speaker 1: inspectors about the circumstances leading up to and the death
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Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein. And this time we're going to be
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Speaker 1: hearing from the electronics technician. And like usual, I'll say question,
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Speaker 1: and that's going to be the investigator asking the questions.
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Speaker 1: And when I say answer, that means that the technician
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Speaker 1: is responding. Question. What's the highest level of your education?
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Speaker 1: Answer some college? Question? What college? Answer? Community college? Like
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Speaker 1: first year question? Do you know the name of the college? Redacted? Question? Okay,
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Speaker 1: is that in New York City? Answer? Yes? Question and
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Speaker 1: was there a specific major answer electrical engineer question okay,
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Speaker 1: What did you do prior to working for the BOP? Answer?
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Speaker 1: I worked at TSA. I was a Transportation security officer.
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Speaker 1: Question okay, and do you have any military service? Answer yes.
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Speaker 1: Question how long have you served with the Federal Bureau
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Speaker 1: of Prisons Answer since March twenty fourth, twenty thirteen to
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Speaker 1: the present. Question and you were working at TSA directly
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Speaker 1: before this? Answer yes. Question all right, what was your
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Speaker 1: entry on duty date? Answer to here is March twenty fourth,
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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, I believe. Question when did you graduate from
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Speaker 1: BOP training? Answer? I don't know. That was probably, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, probably the following March, so maybe March of
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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. Question okay, and were you with the MCC
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Speaker 1: the whole time? Answer No. I started off in Brooklyn
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Speaker 1: as a correctional officer from twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen,
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Speaker 1: and in twenty fifteen to about twenty seventeen, I went
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Speaker 1: to Terry Hate and that's when I became an electronics technician.
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Speaker 1: Question where did you go? Kerry Hote, Indiana a federal complex,
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Speaker 1: another prison, and that's where I became an electronics technician.
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Speaker 1: And I stayed there for about a year and a half.
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Speaker 1: Then I moved back to New York City. Question did
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Speaker 1: you come back to the MCC? Answer MCC new York
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Speaker 1: as an electronics technician. Question what year did you come
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Speaker 1: back to the MCC? Answer? I believe four or five
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Speaker 1: years ago, so twenty sixteen, around that time twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 1: I'm not too sure of the dates. Question and you've
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Speaker 1: been here at the MCC since then. Answer, yeah, I've
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Speaker 1: been here since then. Question and what was your what's
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Speaker 1: your current position? Answer electronics technician? Question okay, and what
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Speaker 1: shift were you on normally? What's your normal shift? Answer?
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Speaker 1: My normal day is six to two question six to
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Speaker 1: two answer day watch question just before we go on?
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Speaker 1: As an electronics technician, what did you actually become that?
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Speaker 1: Answer on twenty fifteen in March of twenty fifteen. Question
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Speaker 1: and does that involve like specialized training? Answer? Yeah, what
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Speaker 1: the Bureau gives you and my background because I did.
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Speaker 1: Before I started with the Bureau, I had about fifteen
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Speaker 1: years in electronics with a military and government contractor and
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Speaker 1: in the private sector. I did electronics for about fifteen
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Speaker 1: years before. Question okay, so what training did you receive
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Speaker 1: specifically in that field? Answer in the bureau? Question just overall,
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Speaker 1: since you said you only did you did college, I
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Speaker 1: mean it doesn't have to be specifically, I mean just
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Speaker 1: like in general. Answer, well, I could troubleshoot certain cores
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Speaker 1: at component level, like a starter use hand tools. Questions
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Speaker 1: So are you talking about like on the job experience? Answer? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: everything's pretty much on the job. And then in the
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Speaker 1: redacted I went for training for about a year in electronics.
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Speaker 1: Question oh so one electronic one year with or adacted?
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Speaker 1: And then what about with the BOP? Did they provide training? Answer?
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Speaker 1: It's pretty much on the job. I went to one
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Speaker 1: telephone school and that was about it. And a fire
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Speaker 1: alarm training question okay answer, but everything's pretty much on
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Speaker 1: the job. Question thank you? On August ninth, twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 1: were you working? Answer? Yeah, August ninth. That's the Friday
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Speaker 1: or the Saturday? Question Friday? Answer? Yeah. Question and what
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Speaker 1: was your position on that day? Answer? Electronics technician? Question?
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Speaker 1: What schedule were you on? Answer? I believe six to
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Speaker 1: two question six to two morning watch? Answer six am
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Speaker 1: to two pm. That's day watch or yeah, day watch?
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Speaker 1: Question okay, and what is your position entail? What are
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Speaker 1: your daily duties? Answer? I just well, make sure anything
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Speaker 1: in the building so far as communications work. So the
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Speaker 1: first thing you do is check the phone, radio, telephones, radios,
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Speaker 1: I said, make sure the cameras are recording if they're working,
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Speaker 1: and what else anything communication wise. If anybody's having a problem,
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Speaker 1: they usually get to me, even something as simple as
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Speaker 1: a voicemail. They'll say, hey, my machine isn't working, and
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Speaker 1: I go take a look at it and where somebody's
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Speaker 1: computer's not working. So question and since you mentioned also
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Speaker 1: daily when you come on the job at six you
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Speaker 1: check to see if the phone, cameras, everything is working. Answer,
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Speaker 1: I don't have to check. There's not set standard or like, okay,
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Speaker 1: you should come in and check it. You just like
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Speaker 1: kind of look to see what's going on. You kind
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Speaker 1: of know what hasn't been working and what's been working.
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Speaker 1: You kind of make a checklist for yourself. There's no
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Speaker 1: set standard of what you should do at that time.
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Speaker 1: Now there is more stuff that you do day to day,
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Speaker 1: where before there was really no standard of Okay, you
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Speaker 1: come in, you start and this is the first thing
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Speaker 1: you've got to go in do and know there was
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Speaker 1: never anything written down as far as what should be
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Speaker 1: done during your shift. Question when did that change? Answer
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Speaker 1: after Epstein pretty much. Question So that day when you
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Speaker 1: came in, do you recall I know it's been two years,
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Speaker 1: do you recall doing a checklist, like trying to see
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Speaker 1: if everything was working? Answer? I usually, because I don't
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Speaker 1: get a radio in the morning, I usually the first
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Speaker 1: thing I do is I call for the elevator, so
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Speaker 1: I know if the phones are working, and then I
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Speaker 1: go downstairs, turn on the radio, listen to radio traffic,
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Speaker 1: so I know the radios are working, and as far
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Speaker 1: as the cameras go, I have that time. I had,
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Speaker 1: like the old system that I had a screen at
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Speaker 1: my desk to make sure because it went to analog matrix.
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Speaker 1: It's going to sound a little confusing when I say
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Speaker 1: analog matrix and digital matrix, because the old system we
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Speaker 1: had was a mixture of both and kind of like
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Speaker 1: the new system too. It takes the old analog cameras
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Speaker 1: because we had a lot of old analog cameras. It
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Speaker 1: takes all of that and then it transfers it to
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Speaker 1: make it digital so you can start recording and that's
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Speaker 1: how we'll get a video and look back for video.
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Speaker 1: But everything was analog, so I would have the analog
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Speaker 1: system in my office and I would pretty much look
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Speaker 1: to see if that's working. If that's working, I know,
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Speaker 1: I was pretty much good. Question now the analog if
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Speaker 1: before it was converted over to digital, how would the
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Speaker 1: analog be recorded? Answer the analog, I wasn't here, It's
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Speaker 1: not really well, it's converted. Well, they use the encoder
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Speaker 1: to take the analog signal and make it a digital
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Speaker 1: signal and put it on a recorder. Question okay, and
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Speaker 1: what was it recorded on? Answer the old hard drives.
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Speaker 1: It was two of them, two hard drives. Question was
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Speaker 1: it on a server? Answer? It was pretty much like
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Speaker 1: a server. Yeah, it was two computers, pretty much. Question okay.
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Speaker 1: And once it was recorded, do you remember checking the
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Speaker 1: cameras that day seeing if it was working? Answer? I
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Speaker 1: checked them. Later in the day, I went up to
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Speaker 1: the video room because we were having The thing about
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Speaker 1: this whole process was when I came here, the first
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Speaker 1: thing I saw in the video room, and the biggest
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Speaker 1: thing was all the equipment in that room was out
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Speaker 1: of date. It was old. I came from another institution,
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Speaker 1: like I said before, where everything kind of wasn't modern,
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Speaker 1: but it was more up to date than this. And so,
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Speaker 1: like the camera system I had was maybe five to
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Speaker 1: ten years old, and when I came here, this one
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Speaker 1: was over ten years old. And it was on three
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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five a day, like twenty four hours
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Speaker 1: for like the last twelve years. The system was always on.
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Speaker 1: And something as simple as shutting down the time and
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Speaker 1: change because you got to get a recording time right,
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Speaker 1: when the seasons changed. You would have to wait like
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Speaker 1: a whole day to shut down a recorder. It takes
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Speaker 1: a whole day for it to come back after shutting
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Speaker 1: it down. And where I came from, that was not
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Speaker 1: the standard, Like it should not be like an hour,
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Speaker 1: maybe like thirty minutes, maybe even ten minutes. If it's
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Speaker 1: a newer system, you shouldn't even have that much downtime
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Speaker 1: as far as the recording. So one of the first
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Speaker 1: things I did when I came here was I addressed
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Speaker 1: that the recorders needed to be upgraded. Question and who
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Speaker 1: do you address that with? Answer? My facility manager. I
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Speaker 1: talked upper management. But like during this whole time, I
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Speaker 1: actually started the camera project and that's why I was
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Speaker 1: doing overtime around this time, and we had people come
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Speaker 1: from other institutions. There was a camera project to upgrade
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Speaker 1: the cameras. Everybody's fear was the actual cameras, not recording
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Speaker 1: software of the cameras. But I started over and over again.
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Speaker 1: And the problem you're going to have is the recorders.
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Speaker 1: And we even had the newer recorders. They were in
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Speaker 1: the warehouse, we have them stockpiled, they were ordered, but
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Speaker 1: we were on the bottom of the list as far
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Speaker 1: as install, So even though we had the new equipment,
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Speaker 1: we weren't a priority to get anything installed, so we
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Speaker 1: had to wait until something happened. Question and you said
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Speaker 1: there was You mentioned that your facility of manager. Who
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Speaker 1: was at answer when I first got here it was
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Speaker 1: redacted and redacted was facility manager. I think we were
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Speaker 1: in between facility managers when this happened. We didn't really
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Speaker 1: have anybody. Question, so there was no one during August
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Speaker 1: ninth and tenth, there was nobody. Answer. I'm not too
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Speaker 1: sure if my new facility manager took over at that time,
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Speaker 1: but I don't believe he was here. I think he
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Speaker 1: came after. He was here visiting, but I don't think
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Speaker 1: he took the job. Question and you mentioned it to
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Speaker 1: upper management too? Answer? Yeah, question who in upper management
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Speaker 1: did you mention it too? Answer my old associate Warden.
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Speaker 1: Still he's no longer, he's retired from the bureau. Question
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Speaker 1: who's the old aw Answer associate Warden phonetic that was
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Speaker 1: his last name. I forget his first name, but I
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Speaker 1: mentioned to him, and of course I talked to the
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Speaker 1: wardens about it. Who was the warden at that point? Answer?
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Speaker 1: It was redacted and before that it was redacted because
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Speaker 1: they wanted me, like to add more cameras and do upgrades,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, you've got to spend money because
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Speaker 1: this stuff is old. Like, you can't just start adding
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Speaker 1: cameras to old systems. It's not going to work. Question
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Speaker 1: and you said there was a project started around that
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Speaker 1: time before Epstein's death. Answer? Before Epstein's death. Yeah, question
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Speaker 1: how far before? Answer? I would have to look at documents.
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Speaker 1: I'm not too sure me And pretty much we have
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Speaker 1: an engineering tech redacted when we started because we had
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Speaker 1: problems with the recorders, where we submitted paperwork to the
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Speaker 1: regional office saying, hey, the recorders are going down, it's
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Speaker 1: end of life. What can we do to upgrade? What
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Speaker 1: are the steps? And that's why we got funded all
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Speaker 1: the money that we got to start the project. Question
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Speaker 1: before Epstein's death, do you recall what exactly the project entailed?
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Speaker 1: What were you guys upgrading? Answer? We were trying to
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Speaker 1: get from analog care cameras to IP cameras and trying
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Speaker 1: to upgrade the recorders. The recorders were like the main thing,
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Speaker 1: upgrading the recording system. Question, but not the cameras itself.
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Speaker 1: Answer not the cameras itself, because they can still work
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Speaker 1: and they still work. Now, question were the majority of
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Speaker 1: the cameras working during that time? Answer? Yeah, pretty much
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Speaker 1: all the cameras were working. Maybe we had ten probably
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Speaker 1: that weren't working. But for the majority, all of the
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Speaker 1: cameras were working. They weren't being recorded, that was the problem. Question,
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Speaker 1: So the cameras were working, but it wasn't actually recording
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Speaker 1: into the system. Question now think I know it's been
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Speaker 1: two years. Do you recall which were the ten cameras
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Speaker 1: that weren't working? Answer? I have no idea. I would
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Speaker 1: have to look at the list there. Question how about
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Speaker 1: during that time in the shoe where the cameras working? Answer? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the cameras were working in the shoe. They were working.
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Speaker 1: They were recording. Well, they were working. They weren't recording,
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Speaker 1: but they were working. All right, we're gonna wrap up
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Speaker 1: right here and in the next episode dealing with the topic,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna pick up where we left off. All the
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Speaker 1: information that goes with this episode can be found in
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Speaker 1: the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another
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Speaker 1: episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: pick up where we left off with the OIG interview
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Speaker 1: with the electrical engineer from MCC Question, did you know
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Speaker 1: at that point that the shoe cameras weren't recording? Answer
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Speaker 1: at that point towards the end of the day. I did.
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Speaker 1: I believe I did know at the end of the day.
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Speaker 1: Question on August ninth, during the day, answer, Yeah, And
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Speaker 1: I called Signet. That's my point of contact. I usually
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Speaker 1: anytime I have a problem or something's not working, because
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Speaker 1: I wasn't really familiar with the whole system I had,
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Speaker 1: like a newer system. It kind of worked the same
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Speaker 1: as far as the software side goes. As far as
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Speaker 1: like the hardware, it was different. So I would always
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Speaker 1: have to call them for like tech support, like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm having a problem today, can you document it? You know,
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Speaker 1: it builds our case when I have to submit stuff
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Speaker 1: to a regional office, me just saying it's not going
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Speaker 1: to work, that's not gonna fly. And usually they helped
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Speaker 1: me troubleshoot through the whole process of what I should
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Speaker 1: have to do. ABC, Okay, take this drive out, put
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Speaker 1: that drive in, and like previously, probably six months before that,
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Speaker 1: we actually had a motherboard which was my main computer,
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Speaker 1: like go out and I had to actually replace that
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Speaker 1: and they had to walk me through it over the phone.
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Speaker 1: I went to scrounge round parts from another institution to
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Speaker 1: get it working. I know, I'm giving you like a
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Speaker 1: lot of stuff. Question, So let's step back. So you
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Speaker 1: said it wasn't working. There was possibly a work order
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Speaker 1: already created? Right? Answer? Yeah, possibly yes. Question who approved
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Speaker 1: the work order? Answer that has to go through my
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Speaker 1: general foreman or facility manager, whoever is in charge. Question
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Speaker 1: do you think do you recall if this was before
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Speaker 1: Epstein's death or after? Answer? This was probably before Epstein's death.
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Speaker 1: There was a few work orders before Epstein's death. Question
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Speaker 1: and if these work orders? Are these orders still maintained
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Speaker 1: a copy anywhere? Answer? They should be in the facilities
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Speaker 1: folder somewhere. Question who would have access to that now?
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Speaker 1: Answer on my facility manager. She'll know where they're at,
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Speaker 1: and the engineering tech would pretty much well, I'm not
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Speaker 1: saying engineering tech, but the facility manager should know if
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Speaker 1: those records were kept or if they're maintained. Question and
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Speaker 1: when this work order was created? This work order specifically
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Speaker 1: addressed the fact that the shoe cameras weren't recording. Answer No,
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Speaker 1: all of the cameras. It's not going to just be shoe.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be all the cameras. Question, all the
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Speaker 1: indiscernible cameras. Answer yeah, question okay. So at that point,
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Speaker 1: how come some cameras recorded? He said, there is redundancy,
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Speaker 1: so there's either going to be a drive or be drive. Answer, yeah, question,
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Speaker 1: how come some are recorded? Answer? Okay, Oh there is
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Speaker 1: going to be another problem too. Okay, So there's an
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Speaker 1: A side and a B side, and it's supposed to
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Speaker 1: be redundant, but it's not redundant because it's not really
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Speaker 1: redundant when one side goes bad. So it just knows
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Speaker 1: to record channels. Let's say one through fifty is on
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Speaker 1: this side and fifty one through one hundred is on
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Speaker 1: this side. Everything is working, it doesn't work. Okay, I
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Speaker 1: can take over for this one because it's not working,
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Speaker 1: But as soon as that one goes, I can kind
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Speaker 1: of record over here. As soon as the second drive goes,
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Speaker 1: I have to just record what I'm recording. I can
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Speaker 1: no longer help out the other drives. Question. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: some channels inside the shoe were recording on one drive answer, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Question some were on the other drive. Answer yeah. Question
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Speaker 1: so the ones which drive was the one that stopped
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Speaker 1: recording altogether? Answer? I believe it was the first drive,
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Speaker 1: So like the A side, like the first because the
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Speaker 1: shoe cameras or on the first they're like the first
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Speaker 1: fifty cameras, well, not the whole fifty, but they're on
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Speaker 1: that side in this string. Question but some were also
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Speaker 1: on the B side. Answer yeah, on the B side,
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Speaker 1: and that's just because they wired it the way they
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Speaker 1: wired it. Question. Okay, so I'm going to show you
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Speaker 1: a map of the shoe. I know this is kind
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Speaker 1: of old. I'm not sure if this is still exactly
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Speaker 1: how it is. Answer you have the updated one right
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Speaker 1: in front of them. Question updated one. Okay, I kind
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Speaker 1: of wanted you to mark off where the cameras were
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Speaker 1: right here on the big one, so I'll give you both.
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Speaker 1: See if let's point it over here, you recognize this
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Speaker 1: where this is? Answer? Yeah, that's the special housing unit.
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Speaker 1: Question is this how many levels are there? Answer? There's
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Speaker 1: an upper tier and a bottom tier. Question the one
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Speaker 1: you're looking at is that upper tier or is that
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Speaker 1: lower tier? Answer? This is nine South upper tier. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Question upper tier. Can you point it out? Answer approximately,
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Speaker 1: I know where all the cameras are. So at the
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Speaker 1: end of each tier there's a camera here. Question, So
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Speaker 1: which tier is at answer G tier? Question you said
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Speaker 1: at the end of each tier. Answer each tier there's
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Speaker 1: one camera looking this way, looking to the front of
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Speaker 1: the grill. This is the grill. Question so G tier,
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Speaker 1: J tier, answer J tier, el tier, and M should
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Speaker 1: be question in that camera, what would it have shown? Answer?
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Speaker 1: It would just show whoever's coming onto the tier to
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Speaker 1: do rounds or whatever they're doing on the tier. Question okay,
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Speaker 1: and as per your recollection on August ninth, where those
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Speaker 1: cameras actually working running? Answer the cameras were working the recording.
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Speaker 1: No question, Okay, we're else in the shoe or the cameras.
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Speaker 1: Answer Also, there's one in the common area, I think. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So you have one over here, like looking at the
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Speaker 1: common area, and then you have another two like looking
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Speaker 1: this way. Question so you're appointing to the right of
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Speaker 1: the el tier. Answer yeah, question to the right of
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Speaker 1: the el tier. And what would oversee he gets cut
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Speaker 1: off by the engineer like the common area this way? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Question and with that, also, what's over there. Answer, that's
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Speaker 1: the officer station. Question use this and just have a
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Speaker 1: mark on there, so if you could, these numbers don't
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Speaker 1: match up, but the tier the letters should be the same.
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Speaker 1: Answer here, so this is el tier, M tier is
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Speaker 1: the top tier. Question so can you mark maybe like
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Speaker 1: a circle and then point like an arrow toward the
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Speaker 1: direction that it would be recording, that it would be viewing.
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Speaker 1: Answer oh uh. Question and this is on August ninth
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Speaker 1: and tenth that we're talking about. Answer just okay. So
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Speaker 1: question so if you said at the end of each tier,
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Speaker 1: just where they were actually just maybe you can put
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Speaker 1: like a star or whatever you decide to make for
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Speaker 1: the camera and then like an arrow pointing in the
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Speaker 1: direction that they would be recording. Answer okay, so indiscernible.
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Speaker 1: Second one indiscernible the common area. This is h and
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Speaker 1: I believe they're on top of this tier. There's a
20:16
Speaker 1: camera over here looking this way. Question is that the
20:19
Speaker 1: upper tier or the lower tier? Answer upper tier. There's
20:24
Speaker 1: a camera on the upper tier on the outside of
20:26
Speaker 1: the upper tier looking that way. Question is that the
20:29
Speaker 1: one that's like outside of ten south? Answer? Yeah, Question
20:34
Speaker 1: do you mind on that camera that you just said
20:36
Speaker 1: that's outside of ten south. Can you just put ten
20:39
Speaker 1: s so we know what you're talking about? Answer ten
20:43
Speaker 1: s before you get to ten south. That's actually there's
20:46
Speaker 1: actually the camera that you guys probably saw recording. That's
20:50
Speaker 1: forty six door question and that's the one that you
20:54
Speaker 1: just wrote ten s next to. Answer. No, it's actually
20:58
Speaker 1: up the stairs question, So that's not that one. Answer. Yeah,
21:02
Speaker 1: you can put it on the drawing because of where
21:04
Speaker 1: it's at. Answer okay, So the one that you just drew, actually,
21:07
Speaker 1: where is that in real relation to ten south? Answer?
21:12
Speaker 1: That would be like the top of H tier I believe. Question. Okay,
21:15
Speaker 1: So maybe how are we going to differentiate the fact
21:18
Speaker 1: that you said different? One? Is ten s the one
21:22
Speaker 1: that's recording. Answer that's ten south? Then answer that's not
21:28
Speaker 1: ten south. I crossed it out. So that's going to
21:30
Speaker 1: be So let's say H tier number one, and this
21:33
Speaker 1: will be H tier number two, and this would be
21:36
Speaker 1: K tier number one. And I'm not sure where the
21:39
Speaker 1: second one is. I don't think it's this one. I
21:41
Speaker 1: think it's maybe this one on the side. That's one
21:44
Speaker 1: I'm saying is K two on this one? And this
21:47
Speaker 1: will be M tier number one. Looking that way, and
21:50
Speaker 1: so this would be l tier. Let me get g
21:53
Speaker 1: on there. Question where would the officers station be? Answer?
21:58
Speaker 1: The officer station will be next to like right in
22:01
Speaker 1: this area. Question can you put a box there? Answer?
22:06
Speaker 1: I believe it's right here. Question and put os for
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Speaker 1: officer station. Question was there a camera pointed directly at
22:12
Speaker 1: the officer station? Answer? Yeah, I believe there's one out
22:16
Speaker 1: here in the common area. Question and this is on
22:19
Speaker 1: August ninth and tenth right. Answer yes, I'll just write
22:24
Speaker 1: a common area that's there. And for the forty six camera,
22:27
Speaker 1: because it's not on the drawing, I'll just write it
22:30
Speaker 1: up here. Top ten south. Question that's perfect, and that's
22:34
Speaker 1: the one you're going to mark as ten South. Answer? Yeah,
22:37
Speaker 1: ten question, and that's the one and only that we
22:41
Speaker 1: have that was actually working. Answer Yeah, that's the forty
22:44
Speaker 1: six door. Question. Now, where would the entrance be where
22:48
Speaker 1: inmates are moved in and out of the shoe. Answer
22:53
Speaker 1: that's the front entrance right by the elevator. Question was
22:56
Speaker 1: there a camera there? Answer no, there's only a camera
22:59
Speaker 1: in the hall. There was no camera in there when
23:02
Speaker 1: they were moving back and forth. Question if someone had
23:05
Speaker 1: to come in or out of the shoe and control
23:09
Speaker 1: had to buzz them. Was there a way Control buzzes
23:12
Speaker 1: who was coming in and out? Answer? The way that
23:15
Speaker 1: the doors worked at that time was because we change
23:17
Speaker 1: some of the cameras. But before it control pops the door.
23:21
Speaker 1: They pretty much acknowledge that well before, especially within nine South.
23:25
Speaker 1: Nine South is different because the officer has the key
23:28
Speaker 1: on their hip. There's an inner door inside here, and
23:31
Speaker 1: they won't even well, they're not supposed to crack the
23:33
Speaker 1: outer door without somebody in Chee calling for that door.
23:37
Speaker 1: So I can't go up to ten South or nine
23:38
Speaker 1: South right now and say, hey, let me get the
23:41
Speaker 1: twenty seven door. Somebody from Chee has to call for
23:45
Speaker 1: twenty seven door because the inner door they have the
23:48
Speaker 1: key before you come inside of nine South. Question but
23:52
Speaker 1: there was no cameras at that point? Answer? No, there
23:55
Speaker 1: was a live feed. There's always a live feed. Question
23:59
Speaker 1: but nothing recording? Answer nothing recording. I mean the live
24:02
Speaker 1: feed goes to the control center and the control center
24:05
Speaker 1: officer sees who's at the door, and they'll pop the door.
24:09
Speaker 1: Question where would the camera be? Answer? I think that
24:13
Speaker 1: that camera would be in the hallway. I think that
24:15
Speaker 1: camera was looking this way, So nine Sally. I just
24:19
Speaker 1: labeled it nine Sally and it just looks like down
24:22
Speaker 1: this way. Question. Okay, so you pointed out that there's
24:26
Speaker 1: one on each tier. That would make six cameras. Answer yeah,
24:30
Speaker 1: question there's one in the corner of h tier. Answer yeah,
24:33
Speaker 1: I believe so. Question that would make it seven. There's
24:37
Speaker 1: one in the corner he cuts them off the engineer.
24:41
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that one. I think there's one
24:43
Speaker 1: in the corner, but I know that there's one definitely
24:46
Speaker 1: in the common area. I know that these two are
24:48
Speaker 1: definitely here. That other one, I'm not too sure about
24:52
Speaker 1: because I don't remember seeing that. Question. Okay, that's eight
24:55
Speaker 1: cameras and there's one in the sally. Answer yeah. Question
25:00
Speaker 1: where's the tens camera? Answer it's up here? Question okay,
25:04
Speaker 1: So nine cameras total that you're aware of that should
25:07
Speaker 1: have been recording. Answer on recording. Yes, all the cameras
25:11
Speaker 1: were working though, because you could see question where could
25:15
Speaker 1: you see it from? Answer the live matrix? Question the
25:19
Speaker 1: live matrix answer? Yeah. Question who had access to the
25:23
Speaker 1: live matrix? Answer? Whoever had the keypad? Not a lot
25:27
Speaker 1: of people have access to that. So like CIS would
25:30
Speaker 1: have it at the time, Control center would have it.
25:33
Speaker 1: Lieutenant's office don't have it. So it's SIS SIA I
25:37
Speaker 1: have access. And that's pretty much about it. And then
25:40
Speaker 1: our command center question, is there something that they would
25:44
Speaker 1: have to key in to see or is it just running? Answer? No,
25:48
Speaker 1: you would have to key in the cameras to see
25:50
Speaker 1: the actual camera. Call up. You would have to call
25:52
Speaker 1: up and hit the button and know what camera is
25:55
Speaker 1: to call up. Question did anyone like the SIS office
25:58
Speaker 1: or even the control have like cameras, you know, like
26:01
Speaker 1: the feed just running on their screen at all times? Answer? Yeah,
26:06
Speaker 1: but they would have to go through all the cameras.
26:08
Speaker 1: They usually just like it just sits on one camera.
26:11
Speaker 1: It doesn't keep scrolling through all the cameras. All right, folks,
26:14
Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
26:16
Speaker 1: episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
26:18
Speaker 1: we left off. All the information that goes with this
26:21
Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
26:25
Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
26:29
Speaker 1: this episode, we're gonna pick up where we left off
26:31
Speaker 1: with the electrical engineer from MCC and his interview with
26:35
Speaker 1: the OIG question do you have anything on that? Answer
26:41
Speaker 1: A lot, Yes, a lot. And that's the other investigator
26:45
Speaker 1: jumping in. Now, maybe you answered some of this and
26:50
Speaker 1: maybe just being a layman, I didn't understand. But so
26:54
Speaker 1: going back to the beginning, how many cameras are in
26:58
Speaker 1: the mcc or where in August ninth and tenth? Answer?
27:03
Speaker 1: I would have to look through those right now. Question
27:06
Speaker 1: well approximately answer? Oh, partner would always tell me that
27:09
Speaker 1: there was like two hundred. I probably think like one
27:12
Speaker 1: fifty if that, I don't even think that it was
27:14
Speaker 1: one fifty. Question and you said at the time there
27:17
Speaker 1: were approximately ten that were not working. Answer? Yes, question
27:21
Speaker 1: what does that mean not working? Answer? It probably needs
27:24
Speaker 1: to get at a focus. Just the video is probably grainy,
27:29
Speaker 1: not the best video. Question. So they're on, but they
27:32
Speaker 1: were so differentiate for me because you said that there
27:35
Speaker 1: are cameras in the shoe were working, but they weren't recording.
27:40
Speaker 1: So what's the difference between working and not recording when
27:43
Speaker 1: you're talking about that answer? Okay, so if you have
27:46
Speaker 1: a camera working, you can see the video, but it's
27:48
Speaker 1: not recording, that's totally different problem. Question. Okay, so the
27:53
Speaker 1: ones that you say that are not working. There's a
27:56
Speaker 1: problem with what you're seeing. Answer yeah, question, but they're
28:00
Speaker 1: recording or they're not recording. Answer it could possibly be
28:04
Speaker 1: that they could be recording or it can't be recording.
28:07
Speaker 1: Question all right. And then when we just talked about
28:09
Speaker 1: the shoe, there's approximately ten cameras in the shoe. Answer yeah,
28:14
Speaker 1: question and the cameras in the shoe only one out
28:17
Speaker 1: of the ten, only one was recording. Answer only one, yeah,
28:21
Speaker 1: because it was on a different recorder at the time. Question.
28:25
Speaker 1: And on August ninth, you said that you knew some
28:27
Speaker 1: of them were not recording. Is that what you were saying? Answer?
28:30
Speaker 1: I knew, Yes, something was going on. I went up
28:32
Speaker 1: to the room and I was about to change everything out,
28:35
Speaker 1: and I didn't have access, so I had to leave
28:37
Speaker 1: for the day. Question. And that's on August ninth. Answer
28:41
Speaker 1: August ninth, the end of the day question And that
28:45
Speaker 1: was the very first time that you knew that they
28:47
Speaker 1: were not recording? Answer on that day yes, question okay,
28:51
Speaker 1: answer towards the end of the day question and did
28:55
Speaker 1: you know all of them were not recording at the time?
28:57
Speaker 1: Aside from that one answer, I didn't know exactly what
29:01
Speaker 1: wasn't recording on the recorder. I don't know exactly which
29:04
Speaker 1: ones weren't working. I just knew that the recorder was down.
29:07
Speaker 1: Answer and how did you know that? Question? As soon
29:10
Speaker 1: as I went in, I saw the drives, because the
29:12
Speaker 1: drives usually they're green when everything's working, and amber like
29:17
Speaker 1: when there's an emergency or something's wrong. And I saw
29:20
Speaker 1: that there was a few ambers, so like it wasn't recording.
29:24
Speaker 1: Then I called Signette, the company, and they said, I
29:26
Speaker 1: have to start rebuilding. And what start rebuilding means is
29:30
Speaker 1: I have to pull that hard drive out and start
29:32
Speaker 1: putting fresh hard drives in. And then the system it
29:35
Speaker 1: knows that it put a new hard drive in, it
29:37
Speaker 1: starts to sync up and does this thing where it
29:40
Speaker 1: starts to go through, It does all of its checks
29:43
Speaker 1: and starts recording. And that would pretty much take a day.
29:47
Speaker 1: Question That takes like a whole day to do that?
29:50
Speaker 1: Answer a day, Yes, and I was at that stage
29:53
Speaker 1: pulling everything out. That was probably going to take a
29:56
Speaker 1: couple of days to pull all the drives out and
29:58
Speaker 1: start recording again. Question, and did you make that notification
30:02
Speaker 1: that the camera in the shoe were not recording to anyone.
30:05
Speaker 1: Answer I believe I told my supervisor. Question and who
30:09
Speaker 1: would have been your supervisor at the time? Answer, Uh,
30:14
Speaker 1: there was really like I don't think there was nobody
30:16
Speaker 1: there because we were like in the middle of a
30:18
Speaker 1: project and it was kind of chaos. Question Okay, did
30:22
Speaker 1: you but at the time, though, you knew basically all
30:24
Speaker 1: the shoe cameras were down but one answer No, I
30:29
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about the shoe cameras. Question No, no,
30:33
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the shoe cameras specifically. Answer no, I don't.
30:37
Speaker 1: I don't know what's on the recorders. At the time,
30:39
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was on the recorders. Question all right,
30:44
Speaker 1: So when you went in, you knew that some recorders
30:47
Speaker 1: some cameras weren't recording, and you didn't know which ones.
30:51
Speaker 1: Answer ones. Yeah, question all right, So about how many
30:54
Speaker 1: were amber where it was showing you that they weren't recording.
30:58
Speaker 1: Answer that was like half of them, So I'll say
31:01
Speaker 1: fifty to sixty cameras are probably not recording. Question so
31:06
Speaker 1: there were a ton he gets cut off in that
31:09
Speaker 1: slot that weren't working. Question and is there anything that
31:13
Speaker 1: that just all happened on that one day of August ninth.
31:17
Speaker 1: Answer it happened before multiple times before. Question it happened
31:21
Speaker 1: before answer before yes. Question so you have actually troubleshot
31:25
Speaker 1: this in the past. Answer yeah, same problem. I have
31:29
Speaker 1: to rebuild drives, and I mean, hey, this isn't working.
31:32
Speaker 1: I've got to rebuild the drive. There's really nothing I
31:35
Speaker 1: can do. I just put the drive in and I
31:37
Speaker 1: wait and I make sure it comes back. Question So
31:42
Speaker 1: this was the end of the day, you said, so
31:43
Speaker 1: around like two you're thinking answer on one something one something, yeah,
31:50
Speaker 1: question all right? And then being that it happened before,
31:53
Speaker 1: was there anything that you're supposed to do if like, hey,
31:56
Speaker 1: I've got a note notify like the captain. Answer No,
32:00
Speaker 1: at my old jail. I'm not trying to throw anybody
32:02
Speaker 1: under the bus. But at my old jail, if anything
32:04
Speaker 1: wasn't working and I was in contact, I couldn't leave
32:07
Speaker 1: the jail. Like if the fence because we had a
32:10
Speaker 1: fence system or cameras aren't recording, I would have to
32:13
Speaker 1: fix stay there until Okay, I need a part. This
32:17
Speaker 1: is what we're doing, send notification. This place has run
32:20
Speaker 1: a lot differently, and I've said stuff from before and
32:24
Speaker 1: my old supervisor but just like, oh, go home redacted,
32:27
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. And I'm like, well, if I
32:29
Speaker 1: go home, nobody's going to fix it. And at that time,
32:33
Speaker 1: I was the only person that knew what was going on.
32:36
Speaker 1: We had bad practices when I got to this jail. Question,
32:39
Speaker 1: So did someone tell you not to fix it and
32:41
Speaker 1: to go home on August ninth? Answer? I'm not too sure,
32:45
Speaker 1: I believe, so I'm not going to say yes or
32:47
Speaker 1: no because I don't really remember that day too much.
32:51
Speaker 1: But I did make a notification that it wasn't working.
32:55
Speaker 1: Question to who? Answer? And I was going to be
32:57
Speaker 1: back the next day because I was doing overtime. Question
33:01
Speaker 1: all right, So you were coming back on August tenth?
33:03
Speaker 1: Answer yeah, the next morning, because I came at six
33:06
Speaker 1: am the next morning to do overtime. Question So, and
33:10
Speaker 1: is that when you were planning to fix it? Answer
33:12
Speaker 1: fix it? Yes, question So you were going to start
33:15
Speaker 1: the next day and fix it. He gets cut off
33:18
Speaker 1: by the engineer and I had the drive too at
33:21
Speaker 1: that time. I do remember that question. And you said
33:24
Speaker 1: you made the notification. Who did you make that notification
33:27
Speaker 1: to answer? My supervisor? I don't know exactly which supervisor
33:31
Speaker 1: it was, but I know I made a notification. Question
33:35
Speaker 1: so you're positive you made it? Answer? Yeah, question and
33:39
Speaker 1: how would that notification have been made? Answer? Probably verbally,
33:44
Speaker 1: because it's not something I would broadcast over the radio
33:47
Speaker 1: or like go on phone. I would like call you
33:49
Speaker 1: in a room because I don't want anybody to know that.
33:51
Speaker 1: You know that I can't record video. That's not a
33:53
Speaker 1: good thing. Question and I apologize. I think when I
33:57
Speaker 1: asked this question. I'm not exactly sure what you meant
34:00
Speaker 1: by this. But were you supposed to advise somebody like
34:02
Speaker 1: the captain or the warden that the cameras were down?
34:06
Speaker 1: Answer because the way the recorders work, the cameras are
34:09
Speaker 1: the captain's property, so you have to notify the captain. Hey,
34:13
Speaker 1: the cameras aren't recording. Question and was that your job
34:16
Speaker 1: to notify him? Answer? No, I notified my supervisor and
34:20
Speaker 1: may notify the captain. If I see the captain, I'll
34:23
Speaker 1: say something to him, or I'll tell the lieutenant. But
34:26
Speaker 1: other than that, I don't have anything to say about
34:28
Speaker 1: the cameras being down. Question Okay, so far, so as
34:32
Speaker 1: far you're a positive you did notify your supervisor. Answer? Yeah,
34:37
Speaker 1: I notified somebody because they have to know because I
34:40
Speaker 1: told them that I was going to come back the
34:42
Speaker 1: next day. Question so you just don't know who it was?
34:46
Speaker 1: Answer I'm not too sure. Question is there how can
34:50
Speaker 1: we find out who would have been your supervisor at
34:52
Speaker 1: the time? Answer It's documented somewhere whoever my supervisor was
34:56
Speaker 1: at the time. Question all right, so that person would
34:59
Speaker 1: have been responsible to notify someone such as the captain
35:03
Speaker 1: or the warden. Answer yes, question because if the captain
35:07
Speaker 1: was out or no, he did work on the ninth right,
35:10
Speaker 1: So that means that around one pm to two pm
35:12
Speaker 1: you notified your supervisor. That supervisor should have notified the captain.
35:18
Speaker 1: Answer yeah, and when I got approof for overtime the
35:21
Speaker 1: next day, so somebody knew I was coming back. Question Oh,
35:25
Speaker 1: and does that specifically why you were approved for the overtime? Answer? No,
35:30
Speaker 1: I was coming back to do the project. But they
35:32
Speaker 1: knew I had the drives because I was going back
35:35
Speaker 1: and forth with my computer service guy because he knows
35:38
Speaker 1: more about the hard drives than I do. Where getting
35:41
Speaker 1: the parts in? Why don't I just do this? And
35:43
Speaker 1: I remember that part of the day. Question Now, what
35:47
Speaker 1: would cause all those cameras to actually fell like that
35:50
Speaker 1: the recorders. Answer, oh, the recording. The system was old
35:54
Speaker 1: and it needed to be upgraded. It was very old.
35:57
Speaker 1: Question was it Could it have been anything to do
36:00
Speaker 1: with people tampering the system? Answer? No, they can't tamper
36:03
Speaker 1: with it. You have to go in a room. It's
36:05
Speaker 1: behind the lock and key key in the door. Question
36:08
Speaker 1: so there's no reason to believe that those cameras. Answer
36:14
Speaker 1: there's two doors too, because you go through the front
36:18
Speaker 1: door and then there's a secondary door to go into
36:20
Speaker 1: the room. Question all right, so you said the cameras
36:23
Speaker 1: are working and they're in this room. Is anyone actually
36:25
Speaker 1: in that room looking at the cameras? Answer? There used
36:29
Speaker 1: to be, and that's an SIS tech. I think maybe
36:32
Speaker 1: redacted was there as the SIS tech for that day.
36:36
Speaker 1: Question now, when you're so, would he have known that
36:39
Speaker 1: they weren't recording? Answer? No, his job is pretty much
36:42
Speaker 1: to look at the live feed and maybe look at
36:45
Speaker 1: the recording. But they do stuff a little bit different here,
36:48
Speaker 1: so I'm not too sure exactly what his function was.
36:52
Speaker 1: Question now, would they also have seen this amber? He
36:56
Speaker 1: gets cut off. No, they don't go back in the room.
37:00
Speaker 1: Question So there's a different room. Answer yeah, it's a
37:03
Speaker 1: different room altogether. They just look at the monitors in
37:07
Speaker 1: the room at the time. Question So by looking at
37:11
Speaker 1: the monitor, would they be able to have known that
37:13
Speaker 1: the cameras were down? Answer no, As far as recording, No,
37:18
Speaker 1: they would just have the live feed and everything looks good.
37:21
Speaker 1: Question So for them, they would have no idea that
37:24
Speaker 1: there was actually a problem on the shoe cameras. Answer yeah,
37:31
Speaker 1: and then the software too. Even if you look at
37:33
Speaker 1: the software at the time, it wasn't even telling you
37:35
Speaker 1: that there was a problem, you would think it was
37:37
Speaker 1: actually working. Question right, So to your knowledge, the only
37:41
Speaker 1: people that definitely knew that the cameras were down were
37:44
Speaker 1: you and your supervisor. Answer the supervisor. Yes. Question and
37:48
Speaker 1: do you know if your supervisor actually made that notification
37:51
Speaker 1: to anyone else? Answer? I don't recall. I don't know
37:55
Speaker 1: who he talks to. Question after the fact, did you
37:58
Speaker 1: ever find out if he did or didn't? Answer? I
38:01
Speaker 1: don't remember. Question were you questioned with regard to what
38:04
Speaker 1: happened with the cameras? Answer yes, question who questioned you? Answer?
38:09
Speaker 1: The next day, because I was here, I had to
38:11
Speaker 1: talk with the warden about what was going on with
38:13
Speaker 1: the cameras question and you remember what he gets cut
38:18
Speaker 1: off by the engineer and the FBI too. The next
38:21
Speaker 1: day question okay, and otherwise he was not present for
38:26
Speaker 1: that question the next day answer, Yeah, there was nobody here.
38:31
Speaker 1: All right, folks, We're going to wrap up right here,
38:33
Speaker 1: and then the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
38:35
Speaker 1: going to pick up where we left off. All the
38:37
Speaker 1: information that goes with this episode can be found in
38:40
Speaker 1: the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another
38:43
Speaker 1: episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going
38:47
Speaker 1: to get right back to the interview given by the
38:50
Speaker 1: electrical engineer at MCC to the OIG investigators. Question, at
38:55
Speaker 1: the time that you knew that the approximately fifty to
38:58
Speaker 1: potentially seventy cameras were working, did you know what cameras
39:02
Speaker 1: weren't working or just that a lot of the cameras
39:04
Speaker 1: weren't working. Answer, Just a lot of the cameras weren't
39:08
Speaker 1: and I wasn't going to sit there and try to
39:10
Speaker 1: figure out, you know, what's going on. So when you're
39:13
Speaker 1: making that notification to your supervisor, you're just saying, like
39:16
Speaker 1: half the cameras are down. Question by the investigator. Answer
39:20
Speaker 1: was down. Yeah, you've got to decide what you're going
39:23
Speaker 1: to do. Question okay, and they at the time said,
39:26
Speaker 1: don't worry about it, go home, you can fix it tomorrow.
39:29
Speaker 1: Answer that was standard practice, So I believe it went
39:32
Speaker 1: along those lines. Question okay, and you said out another
39:36
Speaker 1: institution that would have never he gets cut off by
39:40
Speaker 1: the engineer, that would never fly. No, no, can't have it.
39:44
Speaker 1: You've got to fix it. If it's not working, then
39:46
Speaker 1: you have to stay. Question do you believe that you
39:50
Speaker 1: should have stayed? Answer? Yeah, I believe so. Question and
39:54
Speaker 1: did your request to stay and fix it? Answer? I
39:58
Speaker 1: think I did, But I think I pretty much made
40:00
Speaker 1: a notification. But since I was going to be back
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Speaker 1: the next day, it didn't make sense for me to
40:04
Speaker 1: stay because there was really nothing I could fix that
40:07
Speaker 1: day anyway. Even if and I think I before I
40:10
Speaker 1: left the two drives that were bad, I started replacing them.
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Speaker 1: I think I might have taken them out to let
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Speaker 1: them start rebuilding. Question okay, so was there anyone in
40:20
Speaker 1: the shoe that could have known that that those cameras
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Speaker 1: were down? Answer no, question, no answer, because I don't
40:26
Speaker 1: talk to anybody in custody as far as the cameras go.
40:29
Speaker 1: That's why I go directly to my supervisor. Question, So,
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Speaker 1: the fact that you know Epstein, your most notorious inmate
40:35
Speaker 1: at the time, is you know die is the night
40:38
Speaker 1: that the cameras are down. Is there any reasonably if
40:41
Speaker 1: there's any kind of is there any suspicion surrounding the circumstances? Answer? No,
40:47
Speaker 1: it was just whatever happened happened. It was really no
40:50
Speaker 1: tampering with the devices or somebody turned off the power
40:53
Speaker 1: or no question. So to you, it's just completely coincidental. Answer,
40:59
Speaker 1: just coincident. Question all right? And again you said that
41:03
Speaker 1: no one could have tampered with the cameras to make
41:05
Speaker 1: them go down. Answer yes, question, that's correct, that no
41:10
Speaker 1: one could have answered no, no one could have no question. Okay,
41:15
Speaker 1: all right. Answer And because another thing about the cameras,
41:18
Speaker 1: they're the way the shoe cameras are. The power supply
41:22
Speaker 1: is for the old analog cameras, one of them, and
41:24
Speaker 1: it's in one of my closets. You would have to
41:26
Speaker 1: go in there, kill the power and then go into
41:28
Speaker 1: mess with the recorder. Like it's too much stuff to
41:31
Speaker 1: try one person to think about trying to tamper with it.
41:34
Speaker 1: It's just a lot. And like as soon as I
41:38
Speaker 1: put in the new recorders, all the cameras came up.
41:40
Speaker 1: So the cameras weren't tampered with at all. Question right,
41:45
Speaker 1: the cameras themselves. But what about that room that you
41:47
Speaker 1: said that's where you fix the mat Who had access
41:50
Speaker 1: to that room? Answer? I would have It would be
41:53
Speaker 1: SIS because that was their room at that time. I
41:57
Speaker 1: really didn't have access and that was part of the
42:00
Speaker 1: problem too, because they were leaving for the day and
42:03
Speaker 1: I didn't have access to the room. I didn't have
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Speaker 1: a key at that time to go in the room
42:07
Speaker 1: because it's their property room. Also question but you went
42:10
Speaker 1: in to be able to see that you weren't recording?
42:13
Speaker 1: Answer yeah, because somebody was in the room. SIS was upstairs. Yes.
42:17
Speaker 1: Question so SIS allowed you in the room? Answer yes.
42:20
Speaker 1: Question were they in the room at that time? Answer nah?
42:24
Speaker 1: I usually just go in the back room by myself.
42:28
Speaker 1: Question and then you just ask them if you can
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Speaker 1: go in or is it what do you mean there's
42:33
Speaker 1: like an SIS officer and then there's a room within
42:36
Speaker 1: the SIS office. Answer the SIS office. Yeah, they have
42:41
Speaker 1: the main room, but then it has a video room,
42:43
Speaker 1: and behind the video room that's where the recorders are.
42:47
Speaker 1: Question okay, so is that room that you're talking about
42:50
Speaker 1: where the recorders are? Is that also secured? Answer? Yes,
42:54
Speaker 1: it's secured. Yes. Question so there's the SIS room that's secured,
42:59
Speaker 1: and then they're also the TV monitor room that's also secured.
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Speaker 1: Answer yes. Question where the recordings? So did you have
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Speaker 1: access to? Who would have had access? I guess to
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Speaker 1: where the recordings would have been stored? Answer? I guess
43:14
Speaker 1: anybody in SIS with the key for SIS, but only SIS?
43:19
Speaker 1: Answer yes, only SIS. Question is there any reason to
43:23
Speaker 1: believe anyone in SIS could have manipulated those that system
43:28
Speaker 1: or taken the cameras? Answer you'd have to know what
43:31
Speaker 1: you're doing, and I would kind of know if somebody
43:33
Speaker 1: mess with it. It's not really something you go in
43:35
Speaker 1: there and start disconnecting, Like the only way to really
43:39
Speaker 1: do anything in that room is to start disconnecting stuff,
43:42
Speaker 1: and it's a spaghetti mess. Starting to disconnect stuff is
43:46
Speaker 1: not going to it's going to be tampered with and
43:48
Speaker 1: you'll see somebody did something. Question is there any other
43:52
Speaker 1: than SIS who could have gotten in there? Answer? I
43:54
Speaker 1: don't believe so. Question does the captain, aw's and the
43:58
Speaker 1: warden have access to that room? Answer? They don't probably
44:02
Speaker 1: even know anything that goes on in that room. The
44:05
Speaker 1: only time I will tell them is like to do maintenance,
44:08
Speaker 1: I'll complain and show them the room. Hey, you've got
44:10
Speaker 1: to clean this up. Or question but do they have access?
44:14
Speaker 1: Can they get into the room? Answer they would have
44:17
Speaker 1: to get twenty four hours keys from SIS or somebody
44:20
Speaker 1: would have to give them access to get into that room.
44:24
Speaker 1: Question but only SIS has it? Answer from what I know, yes,
44:28
Speaker 1: only SIS can get into that room. Question why did
44:33
Speaker 1: you happen to go into the room that day? Answer?
44:35
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just make rounds and I do stuff.
44:38
Speaker 1: Somebody said something to me, or I was thinking about
44:40
Speaker 1: it because I think I ordered the drive and I
44:43
Speaker 1: just wanted to see where I was at to see
44:45
Speaker 1: what I was going to get started on. And plus
44:48
Speaker 1: we were doing a camera project, so I was just
44:50
Speaker 1: trying to get a lot of things like organized and
44:53
Speaker 1: see where we were actually at and what I was
44:56
Speaker 1: actually gonna do. Question so I have to ask as
44:58
Speaker 1: part of it, did you happen stop doing upgrade work
45:01
Speaker 1: on it? Unplug or take down, the redundancy or anything
45:04
Speaker 1: that worked that happened to stop working at that point.
45:07
Speaker 1: Answer no, just it because we were having problems from
45:12
Speaker 1: before and the problem just happened again. Just like a
45:15
Speaker 1: coincidence question and nothing to do with the work you
45:19
Speaker 1: were doing on it. Answer no, because I didn't touch
45:21
Speaker 1: the recorders. Question so not just the work you were
45:25
Speaker 1: doing on it. Did anything you do cause the cameras
45:28
Speaker 1: to go down? Answer no, not that day. No question, Okay,
45:32
Speaker 1: in the past it had though. Answer if I'm messing
45:35
Speaker 1: with a recorder, it can throw some stuff off. Or
45:38
Speaker 1: if i'm yeah, moving drives around. That's why I don't
45:41
Speaker 1: have to notify, Hey, the drives are bad because if
45:44
Speaker 1: I start moving stuff, I don't know what's going to
45:46
Speaker 1: go down or not work. Or yeah, the system's very old.
45:50
Speaker 1: Question But that day on August ninth, when all the
45:53
Speaker 1: shoe cameras went down, that had nothing to do with you.
45:57
Speaker 1: It was just coincidental that they went down. Answer as
46:00
Speaker 1: far as the recording, yes, question okay, so when you
46:04
Speaker 1: specified as far as the recording, can you tell me
46:06
Speaker 1: why you said that? Is there something else? Answer? Because
46:10
Speaker 1: people believe that when cameras don't work like the camera's
46:13
Speaker 1: not working. The camera could be throwing out video because
46:16
Speaker 1: the live feed, like I said, goes to the control center.
46:19
Speaker 1: They see the live video when they're popping the door.
46:22
Speaker 1: So there's live video going getting fed. It's just the
46:25
Speaker 1: digital side of it. The recording side is not working.
46:29
Speaker 1: Question Was there a camera towards the back room? Answer?
46:32
Speaker 1: What back room? Question? Is there a camera in the
46:35
Speaker 1: SIS office? Answer no, Now there is, there's a camera
46:40
Speaker 1: going towards SIS, but before there was no camera, it
46:44
Speaker 1: would just be the third floor three sally as someone
46:47
Speaker 1: was going in that general direction, but you can't even
46:49
Speaker 1: make out who's going by there. The video room question,
46:53
Speaker 1: was there any way to know who went in and
46:55
Speaker 1: out of that room? Answer? No, question there is a
46:58
Speaker 1: key entry or answer no question. Two follow up questions
47:02
Speaker 1: One has this problem been rectified? Answer yes? Question and
47:08
Speaker 1: when was it rectified? Answer on whenever they came and
47:13
Speaker 1: did a walk around. We added cameras, like to the
47:15
Speaker 1: SIS room. Of course we upgraded the recorders, but there's
47:19
Speaker 1: cameras to see who goes in that general area, Like
47:22
Speaker 1: if you go in the room, you'll see who's going
47:24
Speaker 1: in the recording room. Question and was that like a
47:27
Speaker 1: year or two ago. How long after the August ninth incident.
47:33
Speaker 1: Answer that's probably like a year after that because we
47:35
Speaker 1: were doing a lot of other stuff before that. Question.
47:38
Speaker 1: So in some time in like twenty twenty. Have the
47:40
Speaker 1: cameras gone down since then? Answer hm. Question And when
47:45
Speaker 1: I say the cameras, I mean the recordings. Answer when
47:48
Speaker 1: I have to do maintenance, I have to notify somebody,
47:51
Speaker 1: like the cameras are going down. They make sure that
47:54
Speaker 1: the jail is locked. And he gets cut off by
47:57
Speaker 1: the interviewer only intention answer yes, question, they've never gone down.
48:04
Speaker 1: He gets cut off by the engineer. Oh, we've had
48:07
Speaker 1: see I can't really say that because we've had issues
48:10
Speaker 1: because we're putting in IP cameras. The IP cameras are
48:14
Speaker 1: like little computers, and they overload the system sometimes when
48:17
Speaker 1: the software isn't right, so it bogs down the system.
48:20
Speaker 1: And we've had problems where the recording stops. But we
48:23
Speaker 1: have a redundant recorder. But not all the cameras would
48:26
Speaker 1: go down per se question Okay answer, And the reason
48:31
Speaker 1: I'm saying that also is because a lot of the cameras,
48:34
Speaker 1: it's like a mix and match of old cameras and
48:36
Speaker 1: new cameras, analog cameras and like more computer based cameras
48:40
Speaker 1: IP cameras. So right now, when the system fails, the
48:43
Speaker 1: old analog cameras for the most part, are going to work.
48:47
Speaker 1: The problems are going to be the newer cameras on
48:50
Speaker 1: the tiers. The older cameras would always pretty much be recording.
48:54
Speaker 1: If we ever had an issue. Question okay, answer, and
48:58
Speaker 1: we've had a few issues, yes, but they're usually with
49:00
Speaker 1: the newer cameras, not with the older ones. Question interesting, okay,
49:05
Speaker 1: And as far as just to make sure that we're
49:07
Speaker 1: clear which of the cameras in the shoe actually were recording,
49:11
Speaker 1: he gets cut off the forty six door camera. Question
49:15
Speaker 1: and that's the one outside of ten South. Answer. Yeah,
49:18
Speaker 1: That's the only reason I know that is because the
49:20
Speaker 1: first day they came, they were looking for video. There
49:23
Speaker 1: was no video, and they were like, you've got to
49:26
Speaker 1: find the video. Question who is they answer the FBI?
49:32
Speaker 1: And then I stayed later that day and the night,
49:35
Speaker 1: and I was trying to look to see what was recording,
49:38
Speaker 1: and that's when I figured out that forty six door
49:40
Speaker 1: was actually recording on ten South. Question the ninth or
49:44
Speaker 1: the tenth. The tenth is the day that he was found. Answer.
49:48
Speaker 1: I think it was in the morning the next day
49:50
Speaker 1: when I came in the first thing in the morning.
49:52
Speaker 1: Question So on Saturday it looks like answer Saturday, Yeah,
49:56
Speaker 1: because I had to think about what was going on,
49:59
Speaker 1: and also that that day they made me move over
50:01
Speaker 1: the camera that we're recording, put them on different recorders.
50:05
Speaker 1: It was like a mess. Question Now, were there any cameras,
50:09
Speaker 1: recordings or hard drives or anything that were sent to
50:13
Speaker 1: try to have the recordings recovered. Answer, well, the whole
50:16
Speaker 1: thing with everything not recording that day was the way
50:19
Speaker 1: the system works. And we want to work with the
50:21
Speaker 1: vendor and the FBI because they have to talk to
50:24
Speaker 1: the way the system works is if the two drives
50:26
Speaker 1: are bad, it's not going to start recording video. It's
50:30
Speaker 1: not going to go on a different drive where you're
50:32
Speaker 1: going to see bits and pieces of video from that day.
50:35
Speaker 1: You might see old video, but as far as new
50:37
Speaker 1: video from that day, whenever it went bad, you're not
50:40
Speaker 1: gonna see any video. All right, folks, We're gonna wrap
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Speaker 1: up right there, and in the next episode dealing with
50:45
Speaker 1: the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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