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A Perfect Marriage — Until the FBI Found Her Name on a Hit List · True Crime Never Sleeps

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  [SPEAKER_01]: you're watching a high-wire media podcast.
• 0:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the true crime number sleep show.
• 0:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: As always, I'm your host Larry Lease.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And on today, on Murder Monday, we dive into the Dark Web Killer.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So you can find absolutely anything on the internet nowadays from all video games, dating back to your childhood.
• 0:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: To then up here, song you heard once and never thought you'd find it again.
• 0:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: To of course, more nefarious things like weapons, drugs,
• 0:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: and other illicit items.
• 0:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, on the internet, you can even find murder for hire.
• 0:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the wild and scary thing about the internet, especially thanks to the help of unregulated currencies like Bitcoin, is that it can all remain pretty anonymous.
• 0:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, you never know who soliciting these services.
• 0:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to find out who is buying them.
• 0:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And most of the time, people have no idea that they are the target.
• 0:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you piss off the wrong person, all it takes is a few clicks of the mouse, and a quick Bitcoin transaction to land a bullseye on your back.
• 1:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me.
• 1:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will say I have a decent knowledge of cryptocurrency, but not an expert, but I'm gonna sum it up really easily.
• 1:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone has a wallet and that wall has an address so if you do figure out who owns that address You can then basically track it.
• 1:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can check track things from there So it can be sent to another address, but then you track it from more in the address originally came from Or that's going from there then when it's going from there when it's going from there
• 1:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I worked with crypto-corrent currency a little bit, I'm still learning, there's a lot of things I might have wrong, so if someone wants to correct me, go ahead.
• 1:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it is interesting that it is true, it's like, if you know, nobody knows whose address that is, then it, yeah, I mean, you can stay hidden, but that address can be tracked.
• 2:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you have to put in some information, I mean, they'll figure it out, they knew someone, right?
• 2:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because that address is still linked to whoever sent it.
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if they figure out who's address that is, eventually, game over.
• 2:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, just thought I'd let everybody know that I guess, like, it's very off topic, but I don't know, everything about cryptocurrency, I mean, it's a lot to learn.
• 2:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just doesn't even make sense to me how there's still a ton of it.
• 2:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I guess we do kind of do the same thing with Bitcoin or with, you know, you know, money right now, you know, you just print more and more and more and more.
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then they keep just digging more Bitcoin.
• 2:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me.
• 2:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So anyways, all that to say, you could possibly hire someone to kill someone in your life and then pay them Bitcoin.
• 2:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And might not it be able to be tracked 100%.
• 3:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that is seemingly what happened to the victim in today's case, 43-year-old mother, Emil, Online.
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: At least that is what everyone thought happened at first, but we're gonna obviously get into it.
• 3:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the year is 2016, where about a 30-minute drive southeast of Minneapolis, Minnesota.
• 3:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a suburban area known as Cottage Grove.
• 3:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's where 43-year-old Steven and Amy Online have called home for some time now.
• 3:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: The couple actually married 20 years prior, back in 1996.
• 3:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were a college student, sweet arts, who met and fell in love at a Christian university.
• 3:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: The most people as life went on, they seemed to live a pretty typical middle-American lifestyle.
• 3:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Quiet, content, happy.
• 3:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Steven was a freelance IT expert, Amy owned her own dog training business, so there were always tons of furry friends in this couple's orbit.
• 3:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Both were deeply involved in their local church, the United Church of God, so much so that Steven actually became a church elder, someone who gave sermons and offered guidance to other members of the congregation.
• 4:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like counseling couples in their marriage and times of need.
• 4:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the all-wines were seen as good people, they had even adopted a little boy back around 2006 that they named Joseph, who now back in 2016 was nine years old.
• 4:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Joseph was everything to Amy.
• 4:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those who knew Amy said she'd lit up like a Christmas tree any time there was a mention of her adopted son Joseph.
• 4:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: She would go to the end of the earth for Joseph and the family that she had built.
• 4:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, in November of 2016, the All-Wines faced the app's absolute unthinkable.
• 4:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: November 13th, 2016, that morning Stephen was working from home in his basement office like he often did, and around noon he went upstairs for his lunch break and he ate lunch with Joseph and Amy, but that's when Amy told Stephen that she wasn't feeling well.
• 4:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So she was going to head upstairs to lay down, maybe just take a nap, rest for a bit, and Stephen said, okay, I'll wrap up my work day so I can watch Joseph.
• 5:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now around 1 pm, Amy's dad comes over to help finish a project that they were working on their own at their home.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But around 2 pm, Amy says to her dad, hey, can you take Joseph over the house for a bit so Steven can take me to the doctor?
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So of course her dad says, of course, we'll be buying a pickup Joseph, no later than 530 pm for dinner.
• 5:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, in 530 rolls around, Steven is the one who swings by Amy's dad's house, so he's alone to get their son Joseph.
• 5:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, in one or dad, he's like, hey, how did the doctor visit go, like, what did they say?
• 5:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Steven's like, oh, Amy changed her mind about going and just stayed in bed.
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So after a little bit of conversation, Steven and Joseph get back in the car and go home and around 650 p.m. And they go inside their house, and when they get to the master bedroom to check on Amy, they find her on the floor.
• 5:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's been shot on the right side of her head.
• 5:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Steven, the husband calls 911 and he tells the dispatcher, and I'm pretty sure that my wife is died by suicide.
• 6:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now this is 911, let's be honest with you, emergency.
• 6:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think my wife's shot herself.
• 6:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's blood all over her.
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Shot herself with a gun?
• 6:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: It looks like you.
• 6:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 6:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Dad, is it just you and your son home right now?
• 6:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 6:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
• 6:23
  [UNKNOWN]: OK.
• 6:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: even, are you able to just step out of the home with your son so that my officers can see when they pull up?
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's called as pretty disturbing and also memorable to the operator for a few reasons.
• 6:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: One is Joseph is heard in the background asking his father why is one that would do that to herself.
• 6:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's horrible because he's only 9 years old and then Joseph the son asks even another odd question on the 911 call.
• 6:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess, you know, when I heard this happen, I would assume that if the, I was been saw the body first that he would kind of like keep his kid away from it, not just let it as kid to hover around, but I mean, everybody parents differently, you know, not everybody's the same.
• 7:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, of course, you also have to, you know, you can't rule out that, you know, in the heat of the moment, you're not thinking clearly, obviously.
• 7:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if it was more important to get on the phone with 9-1-1 to possibly save her than to take measures to get the kid out of the room.
• 7:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, you just don't want a 9-year-old to see that, because I mean, it's horrible.
• 7:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the other odd thing that you can hear in the back of the 9-1-1 call is Joseph asks his dad, Are you gonna remarry now?
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kids say weird things as a 9-year-old, especially in moments of distress, but it's actually Steven's reaction to the question, that sticks with the operator, like she's on the phone, she's like, what the, because Steven, the dad who's calling the report that his wife has died by suicide, and his 9-year-old son just stumbled upon it, and I have said his 9-year-old son's question just says, I don't know, buddy.
• 8:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some mean while Sergeant Gwen Martin hears the dispatch call come over her radio, when she hears the address, and that a female has died by suicide, she has a sinking failing in her stomach, because she knows that address, all too well.
• 8:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: She knows who lives there, in fact, Sergeant Gwen knows Amy pretty well.
• 8:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: She taught her in an eight-week course recently, one that teaches civilians about emergency services and law enforcement.
• 8:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: This was the topic that Amy had become interested in, so Sergeant Martin had literally just seen the victim two weeks earlier.
• 8:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And to her, Gwen, Amy seemed like someone who was planning for the future.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was definitely someone who would do anything for her kid.
• 8:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this sergeant thought Amy showed zero signs of someone maybe battling with suicidal thoughts.
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now obviously we never know, I mean, she just was stunned, I think it's most of us would be.
• 8:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: But she also knows in this line of work, you can never be certain what sort of demons someone deals with behind closed doors.
• 9:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So unfortunately, Sergeant Martin is also one of the first people to arrive at the crime scene.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: In some of what she sees that day kind of validates these thoughts of her or that, I just don't think it is suicide.
• 9:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now when she first sees Amy, she's lying face up on the floor and her pants are partially unzipped.
• 9:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then she notices as well, there's something cooking in the family's kitchen.
• 9:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Amy had a pumpkin roasting in the oven.
• 9:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: This Argentine is like, who puts dirty oven and decides to go upstairs and die by suicide?
• 9:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which I mean, it is weird, but I don't think there's like a correct way or a guidebook to kill yourself correctly, but I get the suspicions, I mean, it makes sense, especially with how weird the call was, oh, okay, something's off.
• 9:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's also the job big question, everything like they're investigating, and I appreciate that for, you know, 100%.
• 10:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: So once Forensics gets involved, there's even more that doesn't add up to this story.
• 10:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: The gunshot wound to Amy's head is on the right side, but the gun is resting on her left side, on her left arm.
• 10:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's also no blood spatter or gunpowder on her hands, which, if Amy was the one to pull the trigger, she would have both.
• 10:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then cops realize there's a few drops of blood in other parts of the primary bedroom, which makes them wonder.
• 10:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's someone move her body here and clean up the actual crime scene.
• 10:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now sure enough, when they do a lumenal test, they discover that the room had been recently cleaned, but was covered in blood stains and footprints.
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: to the mud room and bathroom on the main floor, and then to Joseph's bedroom.
• 10:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: How do you make it so that doesn't happen?
• 10:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, obviously, um, just a lot of bleach.
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me.
• 11:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's safe to say that tech dudes are like, well, you can't dive by suicide and then clean up your own crime scene afterwards, right?
• 11:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So by the following day, they have, they already have an autopsy report on Amy's body and they find Amy had died somewhere around 3.15 pm that day.
• 11:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just love how we can figure all this out, like that quickly.
• 11:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me, but they also find evidence that is inconsistent with suicide, mainly because Amy had scopel me in her system, and that is a drug that is used to treat nausea, and not only was it about 20 times the regular dose, Amy did not have a prescription for that drug.
• 11:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So how did this large amount of this drug get into her body?
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now typically in cases like this, the first person that you're going to suspect is the husband.
• 11:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: But this becomes a little more complicated for an detective, for starters, Stephen kept saying that he wasn't home during Amy's time of death that day.
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And while I'm not sure what he claimed where he claimed to be, there were other witnesses who said he saw an anonymous vehicle, speed away from the house, surely after her time of death.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the husband is saying, I wasn't home at that time, 315 p.m. and the neighbors were saying, well we saw an unknown vehicle leaving around that time.
• 12:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Plus Steven seems cooperative.
• 12:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's willing to go down to the station for questioning, not to mention there's something else that the police have to consider once they get to know an Amy in her past.
• 12:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because Amy had actually been approached by the FBI the past spring.
• 12:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Amy was already on law enforcement's radar.
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: The FBI was doing an investigation of their own, completely unrelated, and found Amy's name on a dark web hit list.
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: How scary would that be?
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Have the FBI show up at your door and be like, hey, just so you know, somebody put a hit out on you.
• 13:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's just wild.
• 13:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, now you understand why maybe the husband isn't the first suspect.
• 13:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: So back around May 31st, 2016, this is about five months before Amy's death.
• 13:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was called into the Cottage Grove Police Department to speak with them and the FBI.
• 13:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they asked her the one question that no one ever wants to hear.
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Amy, do you know of anyone who might want you dead?
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think she told Nürr has been about this or without him knowing?
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just make that a rhetorical question for now.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it turns out that the FBI had just learned about a murder for a higher say on the dark web.
• 13:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: The best of mafia.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they had recently, or they had received a giant cache of data, including email exchanges between the base of mafia and their clients.
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So basically, the FBI uncovered this dark web hit list, a place that you can hire.
• 13:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they have this website, they have the clients, and then the everyday people who were on the list.
• 14:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's important to say that the clients didn't use their real names, obviously, but the people in the hit list, it was their remote names, and Amy All-Wine was one of them.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: They also had the user name in the person who had ordered the hit on Amy, and it was someone named Dog Day Good God.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now something I'm learning from this story was you cannot just access the dark web through Google.
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You actually have to have some special software to access sites like the Basa Mafia.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: What's interesting is this technology was actually created by the military to hide their secrets on backdoor websites.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's sort of ironic that the military created this loophole on the internet and now it is used for so much illegal activity.
• 14:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the base of Mafia is a whole other level of dark web criminals.
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: The site claims to be operated by an Albanian Mafia, but it seems like it's run by this evil overlord.
• 14:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: God who goes by Europe.
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And basically,
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, uh, him and his website will recruit anyone who's up for the challenge, meaning they literally post invites for perspective killers to essentially send in on addition tapes to become a hitman for this dark website.
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: A quote from one of his videos on the site says, quote, if one searches online for and I quote, shot dead on street, one will find plenty of news about people being shot dead in the street by unknown people that shoot and then leave.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: These are our himmit.
• 15:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be waiting for you to come place your orders and then get rid of your problem.
• 15:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And literally on this website, there's a menu of item options from $4,000 for a basic killing to $10,000 for a shooting run.
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then something as high as $50,000 for a high-profile sniper murder.
• 15:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: They say it depends mostly on how challenging the job will be to pull off.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: If the target has a bodyguard, they're going to change the charge more.
• 15:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way on this website, you cannot pay with a visa.
• 15:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: The only currency they accept is Bitcoin.
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because the end, because of the anonymity, meaning it isn't tied back to anyone's name or IP address.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: By the time the FBI discovered the base of Mafia, they already had a list of 282 hits on this website that have been ordered across 60 different countries.
• 16:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're like 17-year-old girls in Canada looking to kill exploit friends on this website.
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Literally, anyone can log on, and with a few clicks of the keyboard, and boom, revenge at your fingertips.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: But Amy, this woman is seemingly harmless.
• 16:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's been happily and faithfully married for the last 20 years.
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's a working mom who makes YouTube videos dancing with a church elder husband.
• 16:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who would want this woman dead and for what?
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well it turns out, the FBI got all these answers through the leak.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: There were 60 pages worth of correspondence between Dog Day God.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the username that took out the hit and the base of Mafia.
• 17:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this had all started back in February 2016, actually Valentine's Day to be exact.
• 17:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's when dog day God first reached out to the base of Mafia saying, quote, I'm looking to hire you for a hit, but what is the recommended way to convert cash to Bitcoin anonymously?
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: After a few emails were sent back and forth and negotiating a price, Dog Day got agreed to send over $112,000 in Bitcoin for the hit shop.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they finally revealed their target was a woman named Amy All-Wine.
• 17:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: The words they used were, I need this.
• 17:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Be dead, so please help me.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: The message contained, or continued, saying that Amy had stolen clients from this person's dog training business, but it suggested the betrayal went far beyond that, because the email also implied that Amy not only was stealing clients, but had been sleeping with the business competitors husband.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: They even offer up the perfect opportunity for the hit to happen.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: They told the base of Mafia that Amy had an upcoming business trip to Moline, Illinois.
• 18:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: They even give them the hotel that Amy is going to be staying at in the description of her car and the route that she would likely take.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: On top of that, they offer up ways they would like Amy to be killed.
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: They wanted to look like an accident and they don't want the sun or the husband to be harmed in any way.
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now clearly nothing happens to Amy during this trip, as you know, but this exchange continues for the next four months, as dog day gone, works with the base of Mafia to help coordinate other options for this hit.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: They give them daily updates on Amy's movements, when she was at the grocery store, the gas station heading out of town, I mean Amy has a full-time stalker who's now trying to take out a hit on her.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So when the police sit down with her in May 2016, they uncover all of this.
• 18:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: They pull Amy in, and I'm like, lady, you're in trouble.
• 19:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she is, of course, shocked about the whole thing.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: She tells the FBI, I've never had an affair.
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: She offers the FBI a couple of names of people it could be.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: But she's like, I don't know anyone in my life who fits this description.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Steven or husband even asked the police, is there any way they might have gotten the wrong Amy?
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: But apparently, Dog Day God had even sent Basin Mafia pictures of Amy.
• 19:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's no confusion, they got the right Amy.
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which is why the FBI says to the all lines, we think you should take these threats seriously.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they have to, because they don't stop once the FBI gets involved.
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: In July of 2016, five months before her death, Amy receives two anonymous emails, presumably from Dog Bay God.
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: They say, quote, Amy, I still blame you for my life falling apart.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's what is going to happen.
• 19:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will come after everything else that you love.
• 19:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's how you can save your family, commit suicide.
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So why not do it now and save them?
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Amy does the right thing.
• 20:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: She shares these emails with the FBI who begin interviewing suspects, including some of Amy and Steven's work colleagues.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: They don't find anything mainly because the email from Dog Day God was untraceable.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they tell the all-winds the best thing for them to do is to get a home security system, install a few cameras by God, but Amy is living in absolute figure at this point.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she's afraid to even be in her own home.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's worried someone is going to come in during the night and kill her.
• 20:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So now you can see why all this is especially scary when in November 2016, Amy All-Wine dies by Suicide.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So naturally her friends and family are furious with the FBI and the local police.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, you were warned that she was going to be killed and you did nothing.
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was just alone in her house.
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Even though they claimed they had increased security patrols in the area to keep a closer eye on her, she still was killed.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so to many, the hired hitman possibility makes a lot of sense.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not only did people report cars playing from the neighborhood that day, a mastermind of the base of Mafia that guy named as Yorra, actually releases a video on the site after her death and says, killed, yeah.
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: He masks his voice and his face and he says, hey, this website should be taken seriously because we are responsible for Amy's death.
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: We took that hit out.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So far many of the names that the family had given the police just didn't check out, which is why they also haven't totally ruled out the possibility that maybe Stephen, the husband, was somehow involved, especially because of how he acted on the day his wife died.
• 21:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not only did he have that odd conversation with his son on the 911 call, where he laughed and they talked about RMR, but he also seemed a bit too calm when he came in for questioning.
• 21:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Plus, his police dig further into Amy's case over the following days.
• 22:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: They find one really incriminating detail.
• 22:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Remember how dog day God had to pay for the hit using Bitcoin?
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, in order to do that, the user had to send a 34 character wall encode to make that transaction.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that same wall encode was later found on Steven's computer.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they learn all of this and they're like, OK, so the husband's Steven was dog day gone.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the question at this point now is why would the search elder one is wife dead?
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a little detail about Steven and Amy's church.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not only did they not believe in divorce, if a church elder was ever found committing a adultery, they would be asked to leave the congregation.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was, excuse me, he was cheating on his wife.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this was something that was definitely problematic for Steven who had been seeking out affairs over the internet for the last two years.
• 23:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was actually doing this on the site, Ashley Madison, to be exact, which ironically he
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: one of the couples at his church but for anyone who doesn't know Ashley Madison is a popular website that rose to fame in the mid 2000s then encourages extra marital affairs so you can get on create an account and it's literally to cheat like everyone can everyone on there is stepping out of their marriage.
• 23:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll let it.
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me.
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, actually, there was a huge leak from Ashley Madison's database in 2015, which is not good because this is not the website that you want to leak because it threatened millions of users, ruined a lot of lives and a lot of marriages.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, whether or not Steven was involved in the leak, I actually have no idea, but it's very possible it's scared of it making some pretty rash decisions.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if Amy knew about that at about the at least three different affairs that he was having.
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I do know that Steven and Realize that there was no way to actually be with any of these new women.
• 24:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: This church didn't allow him to get divorced.
• 24:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe Steven had to come up with a different plan.
• 24:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he needed to have his wife killed so he could go on and be a free man.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which is when Steven possibly took to the dark web and stumbled upon the base of mafia.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he thought it was an easy way for him to walk away with his hands clean.
• 24:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe he forked over the big coin around a hundred and twenty-two thousand be exact and then weighted and weighted and weighted and talked to this website.
• 24:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's also the possibility that he was meant with every single excuse.
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: They would just keep making a new plan a new plan.
• 24:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Steven would send more money.
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, we know nothing was coming of it Which is why probably in July of 2016 dog day god emailed and e-mailed and e-mailing themselves
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Remember, and told her that they would kill her whole family if she didn't kill herself.
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: But when anyone went right to the FBI with those emails, maybe Steven Realize's plan wasn't working the way he expected it to.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it seemed like the base of Mafia, this website on the dark web that he had paid, they were never going to pull through.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Steven wasn't wrong, you know why?
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: They took his money.
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: The entire website was a scam.
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this website on the Dark Web was a con to make money off of pititically desperate people who were trying to get something out of their lives for good.
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate to say it, but I'm kind of glad that they were scamming everybody because one, they weren't killing people and two, they were scamming people that wanted to kill other people.
• 26:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he's maybe Amy's death actually promoted this website because the website made a video in 2016 after she died saying, look, but it wasn't even them.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: He said, uh, look, someone took a hit on her and we did it.
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Look, she's dead.
• 26:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was all a marketing point.
• 26:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why wouldn't they take the credit?
• 26:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: and legitimize their fake business.
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now I guess it never occurred to Steven that $112,000 for a hit was suspiciously cheap.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that does feel very cheap but it was low enough for them to open, to rope in the cash.
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if they were paying with Bitcoin, there was no way who was ever going to see that money again.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, once Steven finally figured out that he'd be scammed, he was already so commended in the idea of having Amy killed, that he chose a new path.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I'm just going to do it myself.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: But again, he actually used the Dark White as a tool.
• 26:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is where I'm getting into what Steven actually did.
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: This time when he realizes, hey, this website is not going to kill my wife.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: He goes online, begins searching for drugs.
• 27:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Any found a site called Dream Market.
• 27:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: For one reason or another, he decided to purchase a large amount of scope.
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Scope all the mean.
• 27:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the anti-nasha medicine that was found in a system, which in large doses can make people a loopy, disoriented, even compliant.
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And remember, Amy had 20 times the normal amount in her system with a corner dinner autopsy.
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So on the afternoon of November 2016, or in the days leading up to it, Steven had begun slipping Amy that large dose in her food or drink, which was why Amy felt so sick that after knew.
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was the dad took Joseph in the sun, was out of the house, seemed Steven took advantage of the state that he put Amy in.
• 27:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Grabbed the gun, the family had bought to protect themselves from this hit, and Steven then used that gun to kill Amy in stage or death as a suicide.
• 28:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right now, Stephen denies all this.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: He insists, no, no, no, no, no.
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't do this.
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It has to be whoever took the hit out on her.
• 28:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was no way that he would ever do anything to his wife and leave his son motherless.
• 28:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: However, as we know, there was a lot of evidence to suggest this was another lie.
• 28:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of things I find ironic in this case.
• 28:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: But maybe one of the biggest things is that Steven was an IT guy.
• 28:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: He should have known how to cover his tracks.
• 28:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: At least when he comes to computers, right?
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, his computer was some of the best evidence against him.
• 28:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: For example, Steven had a browser set up on his computer.
• 28:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: They could have led him, access the dark web, as well as on his phone.
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we use definitely accessing it.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dongdae, god first contacted the base of Mafia on Valentine's Day, shortly after sending that message.
• 28:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Steven's computer showed him googling how to use Bitcoin.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Remember the first message was, how do I use Bitcoin?
• 29:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Following day he was looking up Amy's itinerary for a business trip to Molin, Illinois, and figuring out what drive she would take to get there.
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And remember, that message was a exact information.
• 29:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: On March 6th, Stephen Downloads a picture to the family's desktop, of Amy on their recent trip to Hawaii.
• 29:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Picture that it sent days later, there's an email from the base of Mafia to Dog Bay Gun, explaining how to purchase Bitcoin, and then you should then report that money stolen to his bank to cover his trail.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, immediately after Stephen calls the Cottage Grow Police, says he's been a victim of a scam.
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So while police couldn't exactly trace Dong Day God's IP address, detail after detail like this that basically proves this was happening from Steven's computer.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So unless someone is repeatedly breaking into his house, accessing his computer, keeping up this charade for a month leading up to Amy's death, it has to be him, which is why he's finally arrested and charged with a second degree murder in January of 2017.
• 30:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: However, once he got in front of a grand jury, these charges were escalated, first degree murder is everything, screaming pre-meditation.
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's an eight-day trial and Steven's like, hey, I didn't do any of this.
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there were plenty of female friends in her life who had access to their phone and computer.
• 30:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, someone had to have been coming in and in using my computer.
• 30:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: He also was like, the police did not do such a bad job.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was also this hit-out for her.
• 30:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: But as we know, after years of doing this show, the simplest explanation is off of the most likely.
• 30:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So after the eight-day trial, the jury deliberated for six hours to conclude that Steven All-Wine was guilty of first degree murder.
• 30:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And a sentence saying the judge gave Steven an earfold before handing down his sentence saying, quote,
• 31:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: There he is sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.
• 31:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now as for the base of Mafia and their scam website, nobody knows who they are.
• 31:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: The FBI has since traced the website to a location in Romania, and is of 2022, his five members of the fraudulent organization have been arrested in our facing charges like murder, organized crime, money laundering,
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: The website and others like it are still operating in corners of the dark web today, and that is just the reality we live in Which is so wild.
• 31:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but that's the case of Amy all one It's definitely a sad story.
• 31:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Amy was just a good mom because they couldn't get divorced It's just so ironic this so sad
• 31:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's ironic to me too that you're having three affairs so you don't want to be with your wife anymore because you want to be a member of this church So your solution is to murder one of like the most important commandments you know what I mean I think The reasoning for the murders is because you want to stay at a church that just doesn't look there It just like doesn't even
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know I'm trying to say it's just hypocritical.
• 32:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy how much it happens.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Alright you guys that was our episode for this week.
• 32:32
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• 32:35
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• 32:40
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• 32:53
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• 32:55
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