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Lesley Groff And The Transcript From Her Epstein Related Trip to Congress (Part 21) (7/15/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where he left off with the Leslie Groff interview with Congress. Question,
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to ask some questions about the period of
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  Speaker 1: time that mister Epstein was incarcerated. Mister Buckner jumps in,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, first time or a second time? Question? First time?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, backner, You're welcome. Question. Were you aware of
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  Speaker 1: him video calling women while he was incarcerated? Answer no question.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know at what point you learned that he
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  Speaker 1: was video calling women when he was incarcerated? Answer it
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  Speaker 1: was after Sarah Kelln's testimony. Question, so, as you know,
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  Speaker 1: during his incarceration at the pom Beach Stockade, mister Epstein
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  Speaker 1: secured a work release that allowed him to leave the
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  Speaker 1: stockade for up to twelve hours a day, six days
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  Speaker 1: a week, ostensibly to work at the office of the
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  Speaker 1: Florida Science Foundation in pomp Beach. Did you have any
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  Speaker 1: role in securing mister Epstein work release while he was incarcerated?
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  Speaker 1: Answer no question. What about the Florida Science Foundation Answer
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  Speaker 1: no question. Do you know what the Florida Science Foundation was?
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  Speaker 1: Answer I do not. Question do you know who was
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  Speaker 1: involved with the creation of the Florida Science Foundation? Answer no.
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  Speaker 1: Question did you ever visit the Florida Science Foundation office
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  Speaker 1: in Palm Beach? Answer I did twice. Question when was that?
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  Speaker 1: Answer it was during whatever, sometime in two thousand and eight, nine,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight probably. Question So one visit was
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight and one was in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and nine, or you can't remember. Answer I can't remember.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly when they were, but it was
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  Speaker 1: obviously when you know he had his work release. Question sure,
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  Speaker 1: do you have any sense of time of the year? Maybe?
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  Speaker 1: Answer it was Florida, it was nice out. I really
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall. Question what was the purpose of those visits? Answer?
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  Speaker 1: It was tel of coordinate a list of scientists, make
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  Speaker 1: phone calls, we set up in a appointment. I set
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  Speaker 1: up appointments, you know, just basic administrative things. Question why
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  Speaker 1: did you need to visit the office to do those things? Answer?
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  Speaker 1: I think he just wanted assemblance of normalcy. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't tell me why I ordered some office supplies,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was just mundane. Question were there young
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  Speaker 1: women who worked in the Florida Science Foundation's office. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know who was employed there. Answer his traveling assistant,
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  Speaker 1: Sarah was there. Question do you remember any other young
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  Speaker 1: women there? Answer? I believe she's the only one traveling
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  Speaker 1: assistant I saw, yes. Question did you ever organize or
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  Speaker 1: schedule anyone to visit mister Epstein at the Florida Science
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  Speaker 1: Foundation office? Answer yes, Marvin Minsky and his wife Gloria.
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  Speaker 1: They came and visited him. Darre Torres came one day.
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  Speaker 1: His attorneys would come in a lot. I know that story.
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  Speaker 1: Cowls was there the paralegal question could you say that
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  Speaker 1: name again? Please? It's Cowls. Cowls. I'm trying to remember
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  Speaker 1: who else. I mean, I definitely know the attorneys. I
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  Speaker 1: saw his pilot come in, Larry Vasoski igor his security
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  Speaker 1: guard and workout instructor. Question did you ever see or
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  Speaker 1: were you ever aware of any minor girls or young
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  Speaker 1: women visiting in the office not young women who work
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  Speaker 1: for him? Answer no. Question were you ever aware of
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  Speaker 1: any allegations that mister Epstein had sexually abused girls or
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  Speaker 1: women at the Florida Science Foundation office? Answer not until
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  Speaker 1: we were preparing for this testimony and yet things came out.
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  Speaker 1: Question Did you have any knowledge of just Dailey visiting
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  Speaker 1: mister Epstein while he was on work release? Answer I
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  Speaker 1: don't recall that question, Okay. At any point between two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and eight and twenty nineteen, were you aware of
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  Speaker 1: other investigations into mister Epstein? Answer no question. So you
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  Speaker 1: were never contacted by law enforcement during that period, answer
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  Speaker 1: no question. On July eighteenth, twenty nineteen, Vetereral prosecutors with
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  Speaker 1: the SDNY provided your attorneys with a reverse profer in
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  Speaker 1: a tempt to get you to meet with them for
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  Speaker 1: a profit to explain your role in mister Epstein's operation.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember if you ended up meeting with the
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  Speaker 1: federal prosecutors answer I did? Rite yes, yes, I did. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Question and were you ever contacted by law enforcement as
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  Speaker 1: part of the investigation into Miss Maxwell? Answer no question.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever set up bank accounts for any minor
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  Speaker 1: girls or young women associated with mister Epstein? Answer no question.
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  Speaker 1: You talked earlier about the apartment at three oh one
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  Speaker 1: E sixty sixth Street, might have just a few clarifying
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  Speaker 1: questions for you. Is it correct that mister Epstein had
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  Speaker 1: access to ten apartments in that building. Answer that sounds correct.
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  Speaker 1: That he had ten apartments. Yeah. Question and two of
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  Speaker 1: them were used as office spaces. Answer prior to that
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  Speaker 1: time period? Uh huh. Question for the time period that
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  Speaker 1: answer of two thousand and eight to eleven or ten.
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  Speaker 1: Question outside of that time period? Were those two offices?
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  Speaker 1: Excuse me me? Were those two apartments used similarly to
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  Speaker 1: the other apartments and that sometimes people would stay in them? Answer? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Question and you talked about this earlier, but you said
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  Speaker 1: you were not sure that mister Ebstein. You're not sure
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  Speaker 1: whether mister Ebstein owned those apartments? Is that right? Answer?
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  Speaker 1: I thought at the time that he owned them, but
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  Speaker 1: that was just my assumption. I didn't speak to him
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  Speaker 1: about it. Question did you have any knowledge of his
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  Speaker 1: brother Mark owning any of those apartments? Answer? I did not.
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  Speaker 1: Question What about of his brother owning the building? Answer
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that he owned the building. Question and
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  Speaker 1: you spoke some about the difference between people who stayed
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  Speaker 1: in these apartments. Were some of those people working as
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  Speaker 1: models for MC squared model management? Answer? I believe redacted
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  Speaker 1: was a model with mc squared. Question any others? Answer
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  Speaker 1: not that I know of. Question do you know her
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  Speaker 1: last name. Answer redacted. Question It's been discussed a little
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  Speaker 1: bit in previous hours, but we have a few more
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  Speaker 1: questions about Bill Gates. Do you know Bill Gates and
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  Speaker 1: if he's ever flown on mister Epstein's plane? Answer I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Question you don't know? Answer I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Question do you know if mister Epstein ever flew on
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  Speaker 1: a plane owned by mister Gates? Answer I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Question do you know if mister Epstein ever introduced any
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  Speaker 1: minor girls or young women to mister Gates? Answer no,
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  Speaker 1: question I'd like to introduce as minority. Exhibit one an
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  Speaker 1: email from February twenty seventh, twenty thirteen, which you sent
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  Speaker 1: to mister Epstein. The Bates number is EFTA zero two
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  Speaker 1: seven two zero five four six. Question. So the email
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  Speaker 1: says that redacted this is in the twelve twenty PM
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  Speaker 1: is arriving in New York and instructs Jojo to pick
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  Speaker 1: her up. Is that Jojo Fontania? Answer yes? Question okay,
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  Speaker 1: so who is misretacted? Answer I don't know. Question you
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  Speaker 1: don't know? Now did you know at the time? Answer
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  Speaker 1: I don't know now or back then? Question Okay, did
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  Speaker 1: you know anything about her relationship with mister Epstein. Answer no. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know anything about why she was traveling to
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  Speaker 1: New York? Answer no question. Do you know who paid
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  Speaker 1: for the trip to New York? Answer? I do not. Question. So,
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  Speaker 1: the email directs mister Fontania to drive her either to
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  Speaker 1: quote apartment or to meet mister Epstein at the Four
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  Speaker 1: Seasons at two pm? Is apartment apt and is that
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  Speaker 1: four three oh one E sixty sixth Street. Answer That's
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  Speaker 1: what I would think, yes. Question okay. These emails also
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  Speaker 1: state that mister Epstein's schedule to meet with mister Gates
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  Speaker 1: at the Four Seasons at two pm. Was it your
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  Speaker 1: understanding that mister Epstein intended to introduce mister Dactid to
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  Speaker 1: mister Gates. Answer? I don't recall this at all. That
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  Speaker 1: would make sense to me, but I don't know. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Were there any other instances in which, when you say
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  Speaker 1: that would make sense? Is that because there were other
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  Speaker 1: instances in which mister Epstein introduced young women to mister Gates? Answer? No,
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  Speaker 1: it would make sense to me because it says that
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  Speaker 1: to take them to the Four Seasons, and I see
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  Speaker 1: that Bill Gates has an appointment at two question okay.
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  Speaker 1: And do you know whether mister Epstein did end up
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  Speaker 1: introducing mister Dacted to mister Gates. Answer I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Question okay. And do you know why there was a
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  Speaker 1: ten to fifteen pm appointment with mister Gates on the
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  Speaker 1: same day with mister Epstein. Answer I don't know. Question
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  Speaker 1: Did mister Epstein frequently meet with business associates and professional
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  Speaker 1: contacts that late at night? Answer it's not common, but
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  Speaker 1: it's not unheard of either, I would think. Question And
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  Speaker 1: do you know why the meetings would take place that
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  Speaker 1: late at night? Answer? I don't know why. Question okay.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know when the relationship between mister Epstein and
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  Speaker 1: mister Gates ended? Answer it ended. I don't know. Question okay,
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  Speaker 1: you weren't aware that it ended at any particular point?
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  Speaker 1: Answer correct yes, question okay, And then switching gears a
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  Speaker 1: little bit for the following individuals. Were you ever aware
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  Speaker 1: of mister Epstein having business relationships with them? The first
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  Speaker 1: person is Sultan Ahmed bin Suliam. Answer I know that
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  Speaker 1: they knew each other, I don't know what the relationship was.
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  Speaker 1: Question okay. Howard Lutnick, who is now Secretary of Commerce,
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  Speaker 1: Answer I know that they knew each other, they were neighbors.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the relationship was. Question okay. Then
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  Speaker 1: Paolo Zampoli, I believe you earlier testified you didn't know
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  Speaker 1: who he was. Answer No, the name does not sound familiar.
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  Speaker 1: Question okay. And then a few more questions about additional
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  Speaker 1: people in mister Epstein's network. Can you describe who the
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  Speaker 1: following individuals your understanding of mister Epstein's relationship with them?
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  Speaker 1: The first one is Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who is
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  Speaker 1: now Secretary of Health and Human Services. Answer, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't know that they communicated. I don't know. Question
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  Speaker 1: you didn't know that they had a relationship. Answer that's correct.
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  Speaker 1: Question okay. Steve Bannon Answer Steve Bannon, he had a
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  Speaker 1: relationship with I don't know what it was, but he
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  Speaker 1: would come to the house and he definitely spoke to
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  Speaker 1: him on the phone. Question okay. And I believe you
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  Speaker 1: testified earlier that you arranged a gift of an Apple
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  Speaker 1: watch from mister Epstein to mister Bannon. Is that correct? Answer?
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  Speaker 1: He was on the list. Yes. Question and were there
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  Speaker 1: any other times when you were involved in gifts from
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  Speaker 1: mister Epstein to mister Bannon. Answer no question okay. The
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  Speaker 1: next question is about Leon Botstein, who was the president
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  Speaker 1: of Bard College. Answer, I think there were friends. Leon
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  Speaker 1: would come to the house and they'd have lunch. I
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  Speaker 1: know mister Epstein also went out and saw mister Botstein
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  Speaker 1: as well. Question at Bard College answer yes, question okay.
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  Speaker 1: Noam Chomsky answer that was a friend of his as well.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the relationship was, but he definitely
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  Speaker 1: would get together with Noam and Lolam's wife who I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember her name. A question Michael Wolf. Answer Michael Wolf,
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  Speaker 1: Yes they had a relationship. There were friends, okay. And
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  Speaker 1: were you aware of any professional relationship between mister Epstein
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  Speaker 1: and mister Wolf. Answer no question okay. And Sarah Ferguson
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  Speaker 1: the Duchess of York answer Duchess of York, Yes there
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  Speaker 1: were friends also question okay. And Peter Mandelsson, I think
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  Speaker 1: you discussed earlier. Answer yes there were friends. Question were
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  Speaker 1: you ever aware of any monetary gifts from mister Epstein
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  Speaker 1: to the Duchess of York? Answer monetary gifts? Question yeah,
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  Speaker 1: answer not that I recall. Question okay, And what about
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  Speaker 1: mister Mandelsson answer, not that I know of All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
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  Speaker 1: episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
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  Speaker 1: we left off. All the information that goes with this
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  Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box.