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Full Show Podcast: 14 October 2026 · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
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  Speaker 1: Early Edition with Spark for Business, technology that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 1: Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you and welcome to the programme. And yes,
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge is back tomorrow. Today on the programme, cocaine.
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  Speaker 2: It's the drug du jour with disturbing new figures out
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  Speaker 2: of the workplace. Have we ignored the threat and what
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  Speaker 2: can we do? The government refuses to protect the aluminium industry,
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  Speaker 2: so what will that mean? And parents love the hour
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  Speaker 2: of structured learning in our primary schools, so why are teachers'
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  Speaker 2: unions so against it? We'll have that. We'll have Gavin
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  Speaker 2: Gray from the UK, correspondents from around New Zealand. News
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  Speaker 2: as it breaks, and you can have your say by
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  Speaker 2: texting me 9292. Small charge applies.
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  Speaker 1: The Agenda.
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  Speaker 2: So it's Wednesday the 14th of October, and MI5 is
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  Speaker 2: warning artificial intelligence is supercharging security threats to the UK.
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  Speaker 1: It can produce propaganda and radicalizing material tailored to the individual.
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  Speaker 2: We've caught terrorists seeking.
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  Speaker 1: To exploit AI to improve their reconnaissance and attack methodologies,
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  Speaker 1: with AI-enabled.
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  Speaker 2: Drones adding a new twist. Not yet realized, but the
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  Speaker 2: misuse case to which I'd attach greatest weight is AI's
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  Speaker 2: potential to change the stakes on existing or even new bioweapons.
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  Speaker 2: These risks are real. So the head of the intelligence service,
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  Speaker 2: Sir Ken McCallum, says MI5 is devoting more resource to
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  Speaker 2: countering state threats than during the Cold War. And he's
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  Speaker 2: called Russia aggressor number one. To America and Trump's new
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  Speaker 2: White House press secretary, Katie Zachariah, has funded her first
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  Speaker 2: news conference. And guess what? She's a pretty blonde.
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  Speaker 3: I am so honored to work for President Trump and
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  Speaker 3: the American people as the new White House press secretary.
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  Speaker 3: I want to thank President Trump for his trust that
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  Speaker 3: he has placed in me. I have wanted to work
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  Speaker 3: for him for a very long time.
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  Speaker 2: And she's already got the personal questions from the media.
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  Speaker 3: And your family's in California, your husband, how are you
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  Speaker 3: going to manage that? Caroline Levitt left because she wanted
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  Speaker 3: to spend more time with her family. I adore my family.
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  Speaker 1: I love them.
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  Speaker 4: They are my priority.
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  Speaker 3: So my president, excuse me, my husband.
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  Speaker 4: That's a good one.
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  Speaker 3: My husband is out here for the week because we
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  Speaker 3: have two birthdays in our family and we are very,
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  Speaker 3: very protective of celebrating birthdays as a family. So he
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  Speaker 3: brought the entire crew out here.
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  Speaker 2: Fascinating. And finally, newly released calls reveal emergency help was
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  Speaker 2: delayed after Krista Pike's failed execution. A confusion between prison
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  Speaker 2: officials and first responders meant precious minutes passed before help
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  Speaker 2: was confirmed.
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  Speaker 5: And that takes us to 9 After 5.
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  Speaker 1: On your radio and online on iHeartRadio. Early edition with
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens and Spark for Business. Technology that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB. So, what to do about Q? In the
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  Speaker 2: eyes of the panel, Q Lai Wong was the best
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  Speaker 2: performer in last night's minor parties debate. And meanwhile, the
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  Speaker 2: latest poll shows that the Opportunity Party's balloon refuses to
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  Speaker 2: go down. So, is top coming to change the shape
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  Speaker 2: of politics in New Zealand? I'd like your opinion. Please
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  Speaker 2: text me 9292 your takeaways from last night's debate. But meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: Singapore was mentioned in the debate last night. Winston Peters
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  Speaker 2: likes Lee Kuan Yew. The little state that roars is
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  Speaker 2: often held up as an example for New Zealand, particularly
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  Speaker 2: its financial success and its low taxes. But make no mistake,
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  Speaker 2: Singapore is nothing like New Zealand. The benign dictatorship of
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  Speaker 2: Lee Kuan Yew ended back in 1990. Since then, they
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  Speaker 2: have a democratically elected system, but it's described as an
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  Speaker 2: illiberal democracy. They've kept all the constraints on political freedom.
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  Speaker 2: You can't protest. The media is all state regulated. You
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  Speaker 2: can't gain office if you're in the opposition, which means
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  Speaker 2: that one party has ruled for nearly 40 years. That's
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  Speaker 2: where they get their economic stability from. And Lee Kuan
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  Speaker 2: Yew's masterstroke was to set up an agency called Temasek Holdings.
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  Speaker 2: Through Temasek, the state owns majority shares in nearly all
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  Speaker 2: the big business, including the highly successful port. This gives
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  Speaker 2: the state the cash flow to keep taxes low. The
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  Speaker 2: state is so powerful that public servants are the highest
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  Speaker 2: paid people in Singapore. 80% of Singaporeans live in state-built houses. 90%
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  Speaker 2: are privately owned, but the government controls the supply, the location,
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  Speaker 2: the eligibility rules, the resale conditions for all these apartments.
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  Speaker 2: They even decide... Which ethnicity lives where? Which is why
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  Speaker 2: you have Chinatowns and Indiatowns. Oh yeah, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: the state owns all the land. If New Zealand was
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  Speaker 2: to become like Singapore, like so many people often say, Kiwis,
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  Speaker 2: New Zealanders, would be grabbing their pitchforks and rebelling. But yes,
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  Speaker 2: they're successful and, hey, they've got load taxes. Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: So it's 12 minutes after five, and we talked about
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  Speaker 2: cocaine last week, and new figures have come out about
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  Speaker 2: the cocaine use in the workplace, and they'll blow your mind,
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  Speaker 2: so to speak. So we'll talk about this next.
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  Speaker 1: The early edition Paul's Show podcast on iHeartRadio, powered by
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  Speaker 1: Newstalk ZB. News and views you trust to start your day.
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  Speaker 1: It's Early Edition with Andrew Dickens and Spark for Business.
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  Speaker 1: Technology that keeps business moving. Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: Someone writes, there's no litter in Singapore. Sure, OK, if
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  Speaker 2: you want the state to control your house and the
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  Speaker 2: state to control everything, fine. At least you have a
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  Speaker 2: tidy city. Now, our increasing love of cocaine is bleeding
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  Speaker 2: through into the workplace. Quarterly data from the Drug Detection
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  Speaker 2: Agency shows a 120% jump in cocaine in random workplace
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  Speaker 2: drug testing. By the way, also a 200% rise in meth.
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  Speaker 2: Glenn Dobson is the CEO of the Drug Detection Agency
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  Speaker 2: and joins me now. Hello, Glenn.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, good morning, Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: Get all these horrific statistics and no politician wants to
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  Speaker 2: do anything about it. Why is that?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, look, it's a scary statistic and certainly indicates that
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  Speaker 5: we've got a real drug problem in the workplaces. I
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  Speaker 5: guess at the moment we've gone into the election, it'll
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  Speaker 5: be a hot topic for the politics, but I'll leave
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  Speaker 5: those discussions for the politicians.
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  Speaker 2: OK, so what is happening to all these people who
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  Speaker 2: are doing coquette work? Do they get punished?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, look, most workplaces have a solid drug and alcohol
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  Speaker 5: policy in the workplace, and what it does is it
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  Speaker 5: guides the employer on how to manage it. Generally speaking,
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  Speaker 5: these days, there's rehabilitation offered, and what they're looking for
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  Speaker 5: is for the employer to engage and to work through
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  Speaker 5: stop taking the drug and making the workplace a safer place.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, we test people in the workplace. Do you also
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  Speaker 2: support testing beneficiaries?
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  Speaker 5: Again, that's a hot topic for the election at the moment,
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  Speaker 5: isn't it? I mean, we know that drugs are out
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  Speaker 5: there in the community. These stats show that there's an
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  Speaker 5: increase in cocaine and meth is really steady as well.
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  Speaker 5: And if the drugs are in the community, they then
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  Speaker 5: come into the workplaces, which makes them less safe. But certainly,
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  Speaker 5: whether beneficiaries get tested or not, that's a really good
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  Speaker 5: discussion with politicians.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, very good. Get off the fence, Glenn. If you
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  Speaker 2: were chief, if you were the big boss guy, what
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  Speaker 2: would you do about this drug scourge?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, first and foremost, as we've said before, there's no
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  Speaker 5: one simple answer. This is a really complex issue, but
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  Speaker 5: we need treatment. We need help for people that want
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  Speaker 5: to engage and get off the drugs, and that's right
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  Speaker 5: across the community. That's based on the community and on
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  Speaker 5: the health system as well. But we also need consequences.
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  Speaker 5: One of the issues, I think, with cocaine is that
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  Speaker 5: it's becoming socially acceptable. That came out in a Massey
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  Speaker 5: study last week, and we need consequences for people so
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  Speaker 5: that if they don't want to change, there are consequences
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  Speaker 5: for the bad behaviour.
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  Speaker 2: Good stuff, Glenn. I thank you so much for your time.
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  Speaker 2: Glenn runs the Drug Detection Agency. I'll tell you about
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  Speaker 2: it being acceptable. I went to the rugby in a
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  Speaker 2: very packed train in the weekend and there was a
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  Speaker 2: group of lads and there were Josh and a joke
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  Speaker 2: and everyone's happy and they're all squeezed up like sardines.
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  Speaker 2: But then one guy gets out a little vial and
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  Speaker 2: he gets out a little wee tiny silver spoon and
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  Speaker 2: he starts having a snort and then he passes it
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  Speaker 2: around all his mates. And of course, we all know
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  Speaker 2: exactly what's happened. And me being a smartass, I went,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to pass that down the train, mate. And
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  Speaker 2: they all laughed and laughed and laughed and laughed. But
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  Speaker 2: my partner went, isn't it horrific that they have absolutely
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  Speaker 2: no worries about doing this in public, in a packed train?
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  Speaker 2: You know, if they sparked up a joint, of course,
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  Speaker 2: everyone would go, Jesus, that stinks. But Coke, they're just
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  Speaker 2: spitting it up there. And it appears to be everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, what would you do about it?
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 2: The aluminium industry has been dealt a bad hand from
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  Speaker 2: the government who will not protect them from the cheaper imports.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll talk more on this issue next. It is
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  Speaker 2: now 17 minutes after five. Hear it first.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on early edition with Spark for Business, technology
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  Speaker 1: that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 2: News Talk ZB. 19 after 5, concerns for the aluminium
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  Speaker 2: industry after the government rejected protection against cheap imports. The
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  Speaker 2: imports are up 34% this year, while local production's down
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  Speaker 2: more than 40%. The industry says over 1,000 manufacturing jobs
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  Speaker 2: are at risk. So I have with me the ETU
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  Speaker 2: National Secretary, Rachel McIntosh.
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  Speaker 6: Hello, Rachel.
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  Speaker 4: Hello.
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  Speaker 7: Kia ora, good morning.
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  Speaker 2: Why did the government say they won't protect the industry?
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  Speaker 7: They just say they don't know whether this will last.
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  Speaker 7: So they've been told very clearly by MBIE that the
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  Speaker 7: industry is under huge pressure and at risk and being
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  Speaker 7: damaged by really cheap imports that come in at below,
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  Speaker 7: or at what the raw material alone costs local manufacturers.
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  Speaker 7: So that's just impossible to compete with. And the reason
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  Speaker 7: for that is, and the reason for those cheap prices
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  Speaker 7: is that They are being subsidised by the governments where
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  Speaker 7: they are made.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think the government is being naive and thinking
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  Speaker 2: this is just a blip?
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  Speaker 7: I don't know what the government's thinking, but what they're
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  Speaker 7: doing is hearing that local manufacturing is being damaged and
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  Speaker 7: just walking away. It sounds more ideological than naive to me,
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  Speaker 7: that they just do not believe that in looking after
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  Speaker 7: local people, local jobs and local industry.
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  Speaker 2: Well, tell me about the aluminium industry. How many jobs
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  Speaker 2: are at risk?
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  Speaker 7: So there's more than a thousand. And in Hamilton, New
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  Speaker 7: Plymouth and Wellington. So, you know, I mean, Wellington's obviously
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  Speaker 7: a big city, but they're all cities. But in regional
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  Speaker 7: New Zealand, where it's really vital that we keep regional
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  Speaker 7: New Zealand alive.
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  Speaker 4: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: So, of course, the worst thing that could happen is
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  Speaker 2: that we see plants shutting down. Are we close to that?
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  Speaker 7: Don't know that we're close to that at this stage,
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  Speaker 7: but certainly with a 40% decrease, there's a huge amount
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  Speaker 7: of pressure. So it could happen. And these things can
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  Speaker 7: happen quite quickly when the economics just don't work.
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  Speaker 2: And have you talked to any other politicians, any other
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  Speaker 2: parties about what they might do to protect the aluminium industry?
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 7: I haven't had a chance to do that, but just
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  Speaker 7: calling on all parties to have a look at that,
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  Speaker 7: to revisit this after the election, get a new government.
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  Speaker 7: We really want them to look at this. All we're
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  Speaker 7: asking for is a temporary pause on imports. And that's doable.
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  Speaker 7: ND has given the advice that there's damage being done
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  Speaker 7: at the moment. And so asking politicians to... understand what
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  Speaker 7: happens when we lose industry. When we lose industry in
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  Speaker 7: this country, we don't get it back. And communities are
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  Speaker 7: really damaged, you know. A thousand jobs affects way more
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  Speaker 7: than a thousand people.
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  Speaker 2: Of course it does. Rachel McIntosh, I thank you for
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  Speaker 2: your time today. Rachel is the National Secretary of the ETU.
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  Speaker 2: It is 5.23. It's Newstalk ZMB. More on the debate
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  Speaker 2: in a moment. Newstalk ZMB, it is 5.24. I'm Andrew
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  Speaker 2: Dickinson for Ryan Ryan's Back Tomorrow. So, if Qlai Wong
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  Speaker 2: is generally considered to be the best thing in last
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  Speaker 2: night's debate, how did she do it? And how is
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  Speaker 2: her fringe party keeping popular enough to perhaps enter Parliament?
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  Speaker 2: I think her greatest strength last night was that she
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  Speaker 2: behaved like a normal person. It struck me that she
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  Speaker 2: was the only person on our screens that was not
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  Speaker 2: a career politician. And that includes the panel, who were
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  Speaker 2: full of broadcasters who make their living talking about politics
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  Speaker 2: all the time. But Q... Q is 38. She's had
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  Speaker 2: a career background in sustainable business. She's been successful enough
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  Speaker 2: to buy a house. She's got kids. She's comfortable speaking
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  Speaker 2: her mind. She's authentic. And beside her were a couple
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  Speaker 2: of politicians who have only ever really been politicians their
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  Speaker 2: entire life, and an old warhorse who seems to have
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  Speaker 2: been there since the treaty was signed. So Q seems normal,
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  Speaker 2: and that is attractive enough. to 8% of the population
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  Speaker 2: at the moment, which gives her party the Trump hand.
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  Speaker 2: But make no mistake, opportunities policies are the most radical
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  Speaker 2: in play right now. The Citizens' Income, or UBI, or
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  Speaker 2: Basic Income Guarantee, or Social Dividend, or whatever you want
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  Speaker 2: to call it, combined with a general land tax of 1.75%,
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  Speaker 2: that's really out there. They are far more radical than
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  Speaker 2: anything any other party has ever come up with. They're
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  Speaker 2: far more radical than the Greens. It makes a capital
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  Speaker 2: gains tax suggested by Labour seem moderate. If top ever
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  Speaker 2: got their way with their policies, New Zealand would go
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  Speaker 2: through a very painful transformation with no guarantee that would
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  Speaker 2: come out the other end any better. But Kulai Wong's
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  Speaker 2: trick has been that she appears to be prepared to
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  Speaker 2: compromise with seemingly everything. Unlike, of course, the radical Greens,
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  Speaker 2: you can't change Chloe's mind. And Kulai Wong reacts with
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  Speaker 2: a common sense that is completely absent from her party's policies.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a strange old thing. Is it the Peter
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  Speaker 2: Dunn effect coming back? Is top the united future of today?
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  Speaker 2: Is top destined to hold the balance of power for
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  Speaker 2: a term or maybe two and then fade away? What
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  Speaker 2: do you think? ZB I asked you at the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of the program. Graham says, I watched the group chat
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  Speaker 2: last night for 15 minutes, but Tova and her stupid
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  Speaker 2: questions caused me to turn it off. I have no
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  Speaker 2: opinion about Tova. I never have. I've always wondered what's
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  Speaker 2: the fuss. Anyway, Graham reckons that Seymour and Waititi perform
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  Speaker 2: the best. Grant says, why would anyone vote top? Land tax.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know anyone who would. And that includes myself.
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  Speaker 2: And Winston made the point, you know, if you're retired,
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  Speaker 2: if you're in your home and suddenly you get this tax,
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  Speaker 2: you'll be taxed out of your home and living in
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  Speaker 2: a caravan. And farmers would have conniptions. Steve says, it
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  Speaker 2: was so stupid, Luxon ruling out working with opportunity.
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  Speaker 7: Well, is it?
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  Speaker 6: Is it?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it shows actually principles. Like I said, top
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  Speaker 2: is radical. And Christopher Luxon doesn't want to take New
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  Speaker 2: Zealand down a radical path. So, you know, is it
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  Speaker 2: that stupid? Maybe what Christopher Luxton was trying to do
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  Speaker 2: was say, take a look at the Opportunity Party's policies
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  Speaker 2: and see with them for what they really are. And
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  Speaker 2: Owen writes, opportunity taxing people for theoretical land value of
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  Speaker 2: the home they live in is demanding money that most
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  Speaker 2: people don't actually have. It will force older people out
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  Speaker 2: of their much-loved and long-worked-for homes into the hands of developers.
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  Speaker 2: And Owen, I thank you. Meanwhile, Trish said something that
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  Speaker 2: the panel said as well, that Winston Peters last night
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  Speaker 2: was looking all his 81 years and sounding like all
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  Speaker 2: those years as well. But the interesting thing for me,
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  Speaker 2: and I agree, he stood out, didn't he? Like a
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  Speaker 2: thorn amongst roses. When he's surrounded by two verbose women
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  Speaker 2: and David Seymour, he really did stand out as being
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  Speaker 2: something completely different. But the funny thing is, coming in
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  Speaker 2: this morning and reading what he said, well, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: see where he's coming from. But the problem was hearing
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  Speaker 2: the way he said it. It's the old Biden effect
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  Speaker 2: coming in. But he does seem to be fit enough
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  Speaker 2: and going for it hard. Okay, so what we're going
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  Speaker 2: to do here, though, is we're going to have the
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  Speaker 2: news in a few moments' time. And if you missed
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  Speaker 2: the debate, which many people did, because apparently the Big
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  Speaker 2: Bang Theory on Channel 7 was hilarious last night, according
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  Speaker 2: to a texter, we will give you the Reader's Digest
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  Speaker 2: condensed version of the minor parties' debate last night, right
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  Speaker 2: after the news. We'll have correspondents from right around New Zealand,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll talk to Gavin Gray in the U.K., where
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  Speaker 2: Andy Burnham made the claim that Russia affected the Brexit debate,
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  Speaker 2: but now he appears to be pulling back on those
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  Speaker 2: big claims. And finally, to end the program, we're talking
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  Speaker 2: to the Principals Association chair, because this hour of reading,
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  Speaker 2: writing and maths is really popular amongst parents, but for
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  Speaker 2: some reason, the teachers' unions just don't like it. So
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  Speaker 2: how does the guy who's the chair of the Principals
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  Speaker 2: Association feel about it? All that before six o'clock today
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  Speaker 2: on Early Edition with Andrew Dickens on Newstalk TV.
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  Speaker 1: The early edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio. Powered by
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  Speaker 1: that keeps business moving. Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 7: Good morning and welcome to the programme.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Dickens in for Ryan Bridge who's preparing for
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  Speaker 2: his leaders debate 7 o'clock tonight broadcast on Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: Also the website, the Herald website and also 3Now. com. That's
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: going to be the Chris's together. Last night there was
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: the minor party debate. Peters, Seymour, Swarbrick, Wong and Waititi.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: And we gout producer Kenzie. to live it all again
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: and come up with our Reader's Digest condensed version. There
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: were scraps over drug testing for beneficiaries.
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: If I'm staying home getting stoned on other taxpayers' money,
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: I'm not really keeping the contract that all of us
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: sign up to when we get a benefit payment.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: We need to move on.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I think we should start with politicians first. Because you
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: can't have politicians making the law. Absolutely.
• 18:54
  Speaker 9: The reason that this idea is even on the table
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: is because the National Party is polling badly.
• 18:58
  Speaker 10: So they are pulling out the tried and true method
• 19:00
  Speaker 10: of punching down and beneficiary bashing.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: See?
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Political donations were brought up.
• 19:06
  Speaker 11: Parties being able to raise millions of dollars and spend
• 19:09
  Speaker 11: that on numerous billboards and social media ads.
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: Attack ads.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Instead of actually sitting here and debating the issues.
• 19:17
  Speaker 8: Can I also just make the point that Opportunity was
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: founded by one person giving $ 3 million. That's Gareth Morgan. Yeah,
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: and that proves just how hard it is to break
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: in when you're competing against parties that have multiple million dollars. Now,
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: if Quila is right that that somehow corrupts you, then
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: she is leading a corrupt party.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I thought that was quite a good point. Winston of
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Rawiri thought about making Maori compulsory in schools.
• 19:37
  Speaker 12: When we look at other European countries around the world,
• 19:39
  Speaker 12: some of them speak three or four or five languages.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: There's nothing to be afraid of. What we're wanting to
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: do is share a language with you.
• 19:44
  Speaker 12: All these things are a treasure. But again, if I'm
• 19:47
  Speaker 12: getting on a train downtown and I'm in a hurry.
• 19:50
  Speaker 12: and I don't speak Maori, I'm not going to know
• 19:52
  Speaker 12: where to go to because they decided to change all
• 19:53
  Speaker 12: the names downtown.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to use the.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: And a few questions about alcohol ads in sport.
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: The All Blacks did better when they were sponsored by Steinlager.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: Correlation doesn't imply causation.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Hot take, hot take.
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: Winston's got something to say about that. Next, you'll want
• 20:14
  Speaker 8: to take Red Bull off Liam Lawson.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: That's just not fair.
• 20:18
  Speaker 12: Can I just remind you, though, what happened was they
• 20:20
  Speaker 12: took away all that sort of sponsorship. And Helen Clark
• 20:23
  Speaker 12: said that the state would start paying. And, of course,
• 20:25
  Speaker 12: that's the reason why sports and such picked up.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Because the state didn't. So there we go. And then
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: you started hearing all the professional broadcasters and me rabbiting on.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Mike's taking the time this morning to have his opinion. Morning, Andrew.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Here's my take. Seymour, calm, considered new as stuff. Rawiri,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: simply a racist. Winston came across as living a little
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: bit in the past. Q was the most normal person
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: standing on that stage, rational, relatable, and she'll win the
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: popularity contest for the night. Chloe had, well, there was
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: something with her eyes, she was a bit whiny, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: she hates seeing hard workers get ahead of anyone else.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: So Top will get votes out of last night, according
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: to Mike, and he thinks that Winston and David will too.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: And someone else says the commentators were in an agreeable bubble,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: and that's true. Heather kept on saying, I agree with Guyon,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and Guyon kept on saying, I agree with Heather. It
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: was weird. And then, here's the big question of the day.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: What the hell is happening with Guy Nesbitt and his.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Hair?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Around the country we go. Callum Proctor, good morning to you.
• 21:21
  Speaker 10: Morning, Andrew.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Tell me about live music in Dunedin.
• 21:25
  Speaker 10: Yeah, well, something big's on its way for us, that's
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: for sure. Dunedin Venue's confirming that it's making an announcement
• 21:32
  Speaker 10: next week about a live entertainment event at Forsyth Bar Stadium.
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: Media invited to an announcement next Tuesday morning. The invite
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: saying the best night of your life is coming.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: So that's exciting.
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: Of course, much speculation as to what or who this
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: may be. Some reports saying it's an international act that
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: would excite younger crowds. but we'll wait and see. What
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: we do know is the venue hasn't had a major
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: concert since Pink performed there in 2024. Mayor Sophie Barker
• 22:00
  Speaker 10: says her lips are sealed, but her heart is singing.
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: She says the venue might have had a break, but
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: is now back better and bigger than ever, and the
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: city's looking forward to it.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Well, who cares about the weather at Forsyth Bar because
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: of the Ruth Park today? What is your weather?
• 22:13
  Speaker 10: Well, we've got a heavy rain warning here for North Otago,
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: Dunedin and Clutha. Andrew, from tonight through to tomorrow afternoon,
• 22:19
  Speaker 10: persistent rain for Dunedin today, the high 12.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Claire Sherwood joins us from Christchurch. Good morning to you, Claire.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Good morning.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Speaking about rock and roll and live music, Electric Avenue
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: is just getting bigger.
• 22:28
  Speaker 13: Yeah, we're not going to let Dunedin take the shine
• 22:30
  Speaker 13: off our new city and stadium here, Andrew. We've got
• 22:34
  Speaker 13: Electric Avenue Festival announcing 4,000 extra tickets exclusively available to residents.
• 22:40
  Speaker 13: This is after all 47,000 of them sold out. Of course,
• 22:44
  Speaker 13: the two-day event returns to Hagley Park in February. There's
• 22:46
  Speaker 13: an expanded footprint, so the space is bigger with support
• 22:49
  Speaker 13: from Christchurch City Council and the Hagley Golf Club as well.
• 22:53
  Speaker 13: Business Canterbury Chief Executive Leanne Watson says the economic benefits
• 22:56
  Speaker 13: from these events doesn't just come from visitors from outside
• 23:00
  Speaker 13: of Christchurch. She says locals as well are drawn from
• 23:03
  Speaker 13: the suburbs into the city to be a part of it.
• 23:05
  Speaker 13: It's also important they have the opportunity to enjoy the
• 23:07
  Speaker 13: events in their own backyard. Watson says this is also
• 23:10
  Speaker 13: about a longer term view of helping to retain young
• 23:13
  Speaker 13: people and attract even more to move here and stay.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: So big you can't get accommodation that weekend but there
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: we go. How's your weather today?
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: Miserable to be fair.
• 23:21
  Speaker 13: Rain easing at night south-westerlies.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: The high will be 15. Max Toll joins us from Wellington. Hello, Max.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Good morning. There's a mystery about blood and it's been solved.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: We received a rather alarming notification from police at the
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: end of last week about a mysterious pool of blood
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: discovered in the pedestrian tunnel that runs under Wellington Airport.
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: Apparently it was quite a large pool of blood, quickly
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: recognised as human. But no victims had come forward or
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: been identified rather than some sort of what we do
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: in the shadow scenario. Apparently, the answer is quite simple.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: A woman has come forward to admit she crashed an
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: e-scooter going through their face planted on the pavement and
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: must have bled quite profusely. Two men at the scene
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: did help her at the time. A quote from the woman.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: There's lots of conspiracy theorists that want to think someone's
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: got vampire blood or it's a COVID thing. Let's just
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: crack on with life. A message from her there to
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: be positive.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: OK, then. I made the news on the telly last
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: night and I went, oh, someone cuts foot. Oh, yeah,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: that's breaking news. Hey, Max, how's your weather?
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: Drizzly day with strong northerly 16.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Niva Retimana joins us from Auckland. Hello, Niva.
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: Good morning.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: So Auckland Council's planned change 120. Somebody's been looking at
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: how it would affect the city.
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: Correct.
• 24:37
  Speaker 11: Now, modelling's found that Auckland would add about 38,000 additional
• 24:41
  Speaker 11: houses This is over 10 years compared to the previous
• 24:44
  Speaker 11: planning rules. Now, that person is the council chief economist
• 24:47
  Speaker 11: looking at this, Gary Blick. He's saying, look, the houses
• 24:49
  Speaker 11: would also be put in places where the council wants
• 24:52
  Speaker 11: them to be. He says that would obviously be near
• 24:54
  Speaker 11: existing town centres, the rapid transit networks like the new
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: CRL stations. So what the new thing is about this
• 25:01
  Speaker 11: is that the consultation for the plan has now closed.
• 25:03
  Speaker 11: We're looking at the next step, and that is the
• 25:05
  Speaker 11: independent hearings panel taking public submissions.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: And how's Auckland's weather?
• 25:09
  Speaker 11: OK, cloudy, isolated showers, warm. Summer's here, 22 is the
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: high here in Auckland.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Nila Retamani from Auckland, I thank you. And I'm sorry,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: New Zealand. Auckland is at it again. After the train
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: stuff up at the weekend's test, Mayor Wayne Brown has
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: come out swinging. He says it's all Eden Park's fault
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: because they were late in closing down the Morningside level
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: train crossing, preventing AT from stacking up the trains. Apparently,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: it's Eden Park's job to close the road. even though
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: that level crossing is 1.2 kilometres away from the park. Well,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Mr Mayor, sorry, I'm confused. The council runs the roads
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: and AT runs the train and council now runs AT.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: So why isn't council and AT's responsibility to close the
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: road for the trains? Eden Park did their Eden Park
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: thing flawlessly. They fed and seated 50,000 people. Meanwhile, the
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: roads and the trains stuffed up. It would have been
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: good if the council and AT managed to take responsibility
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: for their roads and trains and done as well as
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Eden Park did at being Eden Park. So listen to me, Mr. Fix-It, Mr.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Mayor.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I can tell you, and I know this, and we've
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: been saying this since 2011 and the Rugby World Cup,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Kingsland Station is not fit for purpose. Any fool can
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: see it. It needs to be better. So Mr. Fix-It,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: fix it. So New Zealand got a lot right when
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: we set up KiwiSaver, and one of those things was
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: just how easy it is to actually switch providers so
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: you get the best deal. But how do you choose
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: a KiwiSaver provider? Returns matter, of course, but it's also
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: worth asking who is recognised by these independent awards. Anyone
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: can say they're the best, but an award says it's
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: official recognition, and that does not come easy. Milford has
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: again been named CanStar's KiwiSaver Provider of the Year for
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: a record seven years in a row. Milford is the
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: only KiwiSaver provider to be named a Consumer New Zealand
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: People's Choice Award winner. They've done that nine years in
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: a row. And that level of consistency is a reason
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: to choose Milford. Past performance, though, is not a reliable
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: indicator of future performance. Investment involves risks and returns can
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: be negative as well as positive. Milford Funds Limited is
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the issuer of the Milford KiwiSaver plan. Go to milfordasset.com
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: and read the Milford KiwiSaver plan product disclosure statement. And
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: to the UK with the time at 12 minutes to six.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Gavin Gray, good morning to you.
• 27:24
  Speaker 14: Hi there.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: So was it a misspeak? Was it an exaggeration? Or
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: was it a lie? Andy Burnham saying Russia interfered with
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the Brexit referendum.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, it was something he said in a podcast with
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: two former political giants, one a former journalist and was
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Tony Blair's spin doctor. The other was a former politician
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: and a former government minister. They have this very popular podcast.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: The rest is politics.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: And obviously, Andy Burnham, I think, decided that he was
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: in friendly company and suddenly said that he had been
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: told in a clear answer that there had been Russian
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: interference in the Brexit referendum back in 2016. He said,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: I think we've been too much on the back foot
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: on that and we haven't informed people sufficiently about the
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: extent to which people are seeking to disrupt the political
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: process from overseas. Well, a short time later, after a
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: number of headlines about this, there was a little bit
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: of rowing back from Downing Street saying, oh, no, he
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: didn't say it had changed the vote. He just said
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: that there had been interference. And then there was the, oh, well, actually, yeah,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: now we're not sort of kind of, yeah, we're not
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: being quite so strident about that. Because Boris Johnson, the
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: prime minister of just after that, he was foreign secretary
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: at the time, of course, he said, I asked the
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: question of senior civil servants and the agencies, and they
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: said no, there was no Russian interference in the election.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Then a senior official as well said no, there hadn't
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: been any. So the question is, why did Andy Burnham
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: say this? Was he just speaking off the cuff? If
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: he did ask the question, who did he ask it of?
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: And as you said, yeah, the leader of Reform UK
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: and the sort of architect of Brexit, Nigel Farage, said
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: the prime minister is a liar.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we played that audio yesterday and that was pretty
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: full on, I have to say. Meanwhile, can I just
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: ask a question? I mean, Andy Burnham would like to
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: rejoin the EU. Has he forwarded that argument any further?
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: I think it's in the last 24 hours he's made
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: it clear that he believes that there is a better
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: deal available. Plenty of people are saying, well, hang on
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: a minute. If suddenly you do start to join back
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: in the EU, people in Europe are going to want
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: something in return, be it hard, cold cash or be
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: it other sort of benefits. quid pro quo arrangements. So
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: it is still up there. Plenty of people who voted
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: for Brexit or think, you know, well, you can't just
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: unilaterally decide to change these things are upset by what
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Andy Burnham is doing. And then there are others that believe, yes,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: the country's economy will grow if we rejoin the EU.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Gavin, I thank you so much for your time today.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: It is now nine minutes to six. A new poll
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: shows just how popular the hour of reading, writing and
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: maths has become. According to Courier, 75% of those polled
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: support the mandate, while amongst Labour voters, the party who
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: promised to repeal the policy, nearly two thirds like the idea.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Steve McCracken is the chair of the Secondary Principals Association. Hello, Steve.
• 30:22
  Speaker 14: Good morning, Andrew. How are you? Good.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Do you like the idea?
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:26
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I do. I'm in a secondary school. However, we
• 30:30
  Speaker 14: have year seven and eight as well, and we're seeing
• 30:32
  Speaker 14: a significant increase in literacy and numeracy results already. And
• 30:36
  Speaker 14: that's what we're hearing around the country as well.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: So it's popular with the parents, it's popular with you,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: and you're the head of the Principals Association. Why is
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: it so unpopular with the teachers, particularly their unions?
• 30:48
  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's a really interesting question, right? And I think
• 30:50
  Speaker 14: there's probably previously we've had full autonomy and able to
• 30:55
  Speaker 14: do things independently of each school. However, having a national
• 30:59
  Speaker 14: kind of understanding of where literacy and numeracy really sit
• 31:03
  Speaker 14: and the need for having it taught in classes regularly
• 31:07
  Speaker 14: is ensuring consistency across our country. So, yeah, not really
• 31:12
  Speaker 14: too sure where the.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I saw Chris Hipkins the other day talking about
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: this whole thing, and he says, you know, schools should
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: be left to do what they think is right. And
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: when my kids were going to school, they sure as
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: hell had basic facts, and they sure as hell had
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: one hour of this. Then suddenly it went. So, you know,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: what can you say to Labour when this is obviously
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: a hugely popular policy amongst parents? It obviously works. So
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: when are they going to see the light?
• 31:42
  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's a good question. I can't answer that on
• 31:44
  Speaker 14: behalf of the current opposition. However, the research and everything
• 31:49
  Speaker 14: says that, particularly from a report done in 2021, I believe,
• 31:53
  Speaker 14: that recommends an hour of mathematics a day. Yeah, that's
• 31:57
  Speaker 14: really important for our young people to have those basic skills.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Very quickly, do we need questions answered about how the
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: teaching council let Timothy Fisher keep his job?
• 32:06
  Speaker 14: Yeah, we do.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: That's very cool.
• 32:09
  Speaker 14: Short and simple.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, we do. Yeah, shocking story. Hey, Steve, thank you.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Have yourself a great day. That is Steve McCracken, who
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: is the Secondary Principals Association Chair. And it's coming up
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: six minutes to six.
• 32:22
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• 32:25
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• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB. So the election carries on. Ryan Bridge, of course,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: is not here today on this show because he's doing
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: the leaders debate. It's tonight at seven. It will be
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: broadcast on Newstalk ZB. It's also on the Herald's website
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: and on three now on the telly. So there we go.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: That's the battle of the Chris's. Meanwhile, we've got Winston Peters,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: who is coming in with Kerry Woodham today to answer
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: your questions. And I hope that everybody holds him to account.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: The one thing I don't like about Winston is he
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: will say anything to get a vote. That whole BNZ
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: $ 15 billion when he also sits there saying we've got
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: to watch our spending. You sit there going, are you
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: listening to what's coming out of your mouth? But hey,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: that's my opinion. Mike Hoskin, good morning to you.
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: I would argue that's the opposite of that because you
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: could say when we need to buy the BNZ bank,
• 33:14
  Speaker 9: it's so absurd.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: You lose a vote. Yeah, true enough.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: And he also says, we are the new party that
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: you need to vote for. I'm sorry, they've been around
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: for 40 years. There's a lot of I've heard this before.
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: Oh, I know.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: And he doesn't seem to take any responsibility for his
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Kingmaker role, which he worked with. He got National in
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: and he got Labour in. He says, oh, they're the
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: old parties. We're a new party. No, you're not. And
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: don't even start me.
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: It would be effective, I think, if there were a
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: lot of new voters voting But as we've seen from
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: the number of people enrolling or not enrolling, there aren't
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: a lot of new voters, unfortunately.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Well, what's that about as well?
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: It's the unanswerable question. I've asked several people about this.
• 33:53
  Speaker 9: No one can answer it. No one knows the answer.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And then commentators say, well, the youth could have a say. Well,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: not if they don't register. They never do.
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: Remember when we used to talk about the youthquake?
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:01
  Speaker 9: And it's literally never happened in every three years.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: And this has got a little.
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: Bit of this campaign about it. It's like Groundhog Day.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I've heard it all before. Shall we talk about the
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: knowledge wave? Yeah. Anyway, who are you talking to?
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: Oh, it'll be just lots of elections.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. No, thank you.