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The Hoff Knows Socialism (Pt 2) · Conversations With the Hoff

• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: Got a question.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Conversations with the Hoff.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Steve Hoffman, your host, and with me in the Liberty Crack Media Studio today, as always, is our executive producer, Tripp Detmering.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_03: Hello, everyone.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: During this episode, the last episode, we took a deep dive into the first two pillars of the Democrat Socialists of America platform, thriving working class communities and working class foreign policy.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: Today we'll do the same for the last two pillars of that platform: working class democracy and economic transformation and redistribution.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_03: I have a feeling, Steve, that it's still going to be the same story.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_03: Everything they're trying to do for the working class destroys the working class.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I believe you're right.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: Hang on to your hats, folks.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: They're here to help us.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: We're on for a big ride.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: We're the government and we're here to help.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: So this pillar three pushes for abolishing ice, restructuring or eliminating the Senate, politicizing judicial selection, and even moving towards a new constitution.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_03: How are we gonna keep our drinks cold?
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_03: You're eliminating ice.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, right, right, there you go.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: As the text on the platform says, they're looking for a new democratic socialist republic as a long-term goal.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh to be a new socialist utopia.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_03: A republic, just like the wonderful representation they get in North Korea.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, then comes pillar four.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: This is the economic overhaul.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: The DSA calls for aggressive wealth taxes, public ownership, or democratic control of large corporations, and living minimum wages and expanded worker protections.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think we've addressed some of those previous pillars.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: Our workers are so unprotected right now.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: So isn't democracy wonderful?
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: I can't wait for my country to become the next people's republic of whatever.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: So it's time to get that morning cup of joe, pull up a chair, lean forward, and listen to this radical conservatarian's take on the DSA platform.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_03: Ah, here we go.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_03: Here it is.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so uh platform three, as I mentioned, is it's called working class democracy.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 4:13
  unknown: Yeah.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a bunch of elements to it.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: This could be a long episode.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: And number one, I talked about abolishing ICE and restructuring enforcement.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: So so basically, what what do we what do we know about why do we have so much activity in ICE today?
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_03: Probably because we have so many uh uh people that are here undocumented.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it's estimated that under the Biden administration, over 10 million illegal aliens came across our border.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: So our borders uh enforcement from a libertarian perspective, we we actually encourage open borders, but as long as you respect property rights, right, and as long as you're gonna contribute to our society, yeah.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: As long as you're here to assimilate and not try to change our country.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_03: And as libertarians, we think part of the problem is because we have too many giveaways, too many benefits that are attracting people in here.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: And from my conservatarian perspective, I'm very concerned about 10 million illegals coming across our border because of the way the census works.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_03: Correct.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: The census count counts all people, and it doesn't look at your citizenship status.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: So what these numbers do uh after the census, it will determine how many uh seats that you have seats in the Congress that your state can have.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and also skews the uh electoral college, yeah.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you you've been reading my notes.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_03: I'm physic that way.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: So so I'm not really a big fan about eliminating ice.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I'm a fan for letting uh immigrants who contribute to our society become a U.S.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: citizen very fast.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: We need people who can contribute.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_03: I think we should also uh strengthen uh sponsorship for responsibilities for bringing people in.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_03: Now there should be more accountability.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's what we're looking for.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now, in an earlier version of the platform, and they they kind of tweaked it a little bit now that the midterm elections are coming.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, tweaking a lie is always very convenient when it comes to election time.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_03: Let's appear like we're going toward the middle.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:45
  unknown: Yeah.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, one of their major elements on the previous platform was to eliminate the U.S.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: Senate.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_03: So why would you want to do that?
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_03: So you can have a Politburo instead.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: I guess that'd probably be the let's look, let's go back to 1787.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there were a lot of states in that time that didn't want to ratify this new constitution.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: Because they feared that this big central government would infringe upon state sovereignty.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_03: Correct.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: Remember, these were independent sovereign states.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_03: Right, which uh tried to t trigger the people that were uh federalists and anti-federalists, yeah.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: And uh that remember now the House of Representatives is based on population.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: And the Senate, every state now will get two senators per state.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: So this was their way of making sure that they would have a say and that the majority wouldn't an equal say, yeah.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: The majority wouldn't stop on their sovereignty rights.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 7:51
  unknown: Yeah.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: So the severant so the Senate was very, very important.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: And the framers of the Constitution uh wanted the James Madison wanted the the Senate to be smaller, more insulated, more deliberative, and focus on long-term national interests.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_03: Because long-term.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: Long term.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because the House can be influenced by, you know, the day-to-day things.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: What's going on today, you know, emotionalism.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, we got to do something about we gotta save the children, whatever.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_03: You know, uh uh, we have to save our seat and save our power, is what it is.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you're right.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: So so there was a great need to have the Senate.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: It basically uh protects the uh the sovereign rights of the individual states at least until 1913, right?
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and this is something that was experimented way long time ago uh in senatas in uh back in old Rome.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_03: And it it it clearly it did work every time they didn't have a uh uh dictator.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_03: That yeah.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: So unfortunately in the 1913 uh we had a law where the senators were uh they had uh subjected the popular vote as opposed to being appointed by the states.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: So that did cut take a little bit away from the Senate protecting state sovereignty.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, the all the all they also want to change how executives and judges are selected.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, of course.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: So basically, under the Democrat Socialist of America platform, the legislative branch has all the control.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: They have all the power.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: And they would basically select the judges.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, kind of like we do in South Carolina.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, uh, executives would be probably be more democratized.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: You would have union boards, citizens' committees, that when they finally take over the corporations, they would determine who would be the executives.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_03: Well, their biggest beef right now is that they don't want people that will follow the constitution as written.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Speaking of the constitution, uh-huh, the Democrat Socialists of America want to totally rewrite the Constitution.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_03: Well, they yeah, yeah, they want to scrap our Constitution.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_03: You're right.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: As I mentioned, they want to move toward a new constitution and a democratic socialist republic as a long-term horizon.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_03: I just uh I every time I hear this, I uh I my blood boils, I get hackled.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_03: I just want to give them free helicopter rides.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and probably at the end of this episode, I'm probably gonna rush home and take a couple of my calming gummies.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: That is how bad it really is.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: So, what are these constitutional changes they they want to make?
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: So basically, they want a new democratic constitution that establishes civil, political, and democratic rights for all.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_03: Boy, that sounds like oxymoron city for this.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_03: It can never be for all.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_03: If if you've got a if you've got any type of democracy, you're gonna have a minority.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_03: There are gonna be people who vote against.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_03: So it's not for all.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's just for whoever the controlling majority is.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: They want to end the role of money in politics.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: Ha ha ha! That's all it'll be.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Establishing a proportional representation, single federal legislature.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: That is the biggest lie ever.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's like China is not, I mean, look at them.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_03: They they absolutely crush people or crush money.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_03: They they they even have fake money for their internal spending for the people, as opposed to the real money that they use and the yuan in the international markets.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's all true.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: But somebody has to take care of the children.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: What about the children?
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_03: We'll have Mrs.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_03: Clinton and her her community take care of the children.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: They also want to replace the electoral college.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: They want to do away with it.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: They want a national popular vote for president without any any interference.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I got here again, the city of Los Angeles would have more votes than some of our individual states.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: So the election of the president would be up to some of these liberal cities.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_03: Well, what they're they're I mean, let's let's spell it so people can really get the illustration.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_03: They want the majority of wolves to decide um what the sheep are going to have for dinner.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's the de definition of a democracy.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: Two wolves and a lamb in a room, and they're gonna vote on what what's for dinner.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: For dinner, yeah.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: They also want to expand the number of house seats.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, kind of kind of pack the house seats.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: They want to also do the same thing with the Supreme Court.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have enough members on the Supreme Court.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, they're gonna wait until there's a Democratic president before they actually implement that.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: So we want to pack the Supreme Court.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: You want to pack the the House.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: When you do that, what are the chances that any other party will ever have a chance to become a uh a a player in American politics again?
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, this is i it would just be putting the type of authoritarianism on steroids that we already are experiencing, as our listeners know for third parties or it's they make it almost impossible for us to run.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, definitely.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: So what uh what they also want to do is uh have um economic and structural changes with constitutional implications.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Basically, they're talking about public ownership of major corporations, major industries.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: They're talking about uh massive federal guarantees of housing, health care, child care, and education.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: We've already talked about that.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was very successful in Venezuela.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_03: Why not?
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: So so basically with the DSA with a new constitution, they want a new democratic constitution, they want proportional representation, and uh they say and they want a multi-party congress, which is BS.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: They want to have a national public popular vote for president, and they want expanded suffrage.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't get into that.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: But they want non-citizens and people with convictions to also be allowed to vote.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's what they say expanded suffrage, they want everybody to suffer.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: They want to uh uh reduce Supreme Court power and have a major expansion of federal economic rights.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: So that's that's their great and wonderful uh third.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's the I mean that this is just uh there's nothing, zero, nothing in there that's appealing to a thinking person or someone who's been paying attention to what's been going on in the world and in history.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_03: You're absolutely right.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_03: This is just it's disgusting.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_03: And uh it gets better.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, I'm sure it does.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure it does.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: So let's move on to the fourth pillar of the democratic socialists of America.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_03: This has got to be better than the other three.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: This is this is utterly remarkable and absolutely wonderful.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: So this platform is economic transfer transformation and redistribution.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, redistribution.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's right.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_03: Uh don't come after my money, but if you don't have money, I'll redistribute someone else's money for you.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: So one of the first parts of this platform is aggressive wealth taxes and taxation of large fortunes.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: So what does that really mean?
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_03: What it means is if you you come from a billionaire family and you want to protect your billions from the populace, you see if you can come to power as a uh democratic socialist and redistribute all the people from middle income to the lower income so that you can protect yourselves from having an uprising coming after your family's billions.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Mandami.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, uh the the young lady who is the uh the head of Seattle.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we Americans have become used to income taxes, sales taxes, that sort of thing.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: But the Democratic Socialists of America want to tax wealth.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: So they would they want to have annual taxes on their net worth.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_03: But not on theirs.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: They want to tax billionaires and multimillionaires based on the value of their assets.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: Stocks, real estate, business ownership.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: Well, actually, they've changed it to billionaires and trillionaires because they become millionaires.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: So it's billionaires and trillionaires, not mil not millionaires and billionaires, billionaires and trillionaires.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta you gotta keep keep up with Bernie Sanders and where the uh where the line is being drawn, or redrawn, I should say.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: They want to close all the loop loopholes that wealthy individuals have to avoid taxes.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_03: Well, except for theirs, but yeah.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: And uh tax you know tax the corporations even more.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: But here's the thing what does it really mean by wealth tax?
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I've been working since I was 15 years old.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: I worked from age 15 to 72.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: I saved and I invested, and now I have a pretty good little sizable chunk in an investment account with the local brokerage, and that helps to pay for my retirement life.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: I've been saving since I was 15 years old.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_03: That's not fair because then it'll get when you die, it'll go to your family instead of my somebody else's family.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: I earned that money.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: I saved it.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_03: And now the thing is.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: You didn't.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: You did it on the backs of the working class.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_03: You exploited them.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: White privilege.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, there you go.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: White privilege.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: Worked my way ass off, saved my way to college, got a degree, worked hard.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's definitely an example of white privilege.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: You took it away from somebody else that was uh yeah.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm not rich.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm probably lower middle class if you look at what I earn right now.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: No, you you're rich.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_03: You're just low class.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm probably low class.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, that they want to they want to tax my savings, my investments.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: So so so much for my uh retired life.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, I guess the big thing we want to point out to people when they talk about a wealth tax is they've they've already got your your your your pipeline of money coming in, which is your income, but they're so pissed off that that they they income runs away so that they want to go after the people that no longer have income because they're retired, and they want to go after their wealth, the things that they already have, like you were saying, your your savings, your homes.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: If you have more than one home, for crying out loud, that that should be given to the government, you know.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh so yeah, it's crazy.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: I uh I I just can't understand why we don't have more of these dumb SOBs uh voted into uh more popularity.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, if they get the you know the uh the people on the streets that are paying off all the the the homeless and so on five bucks to sign their uh their their voter card and send it in so they can get their uh their dumb politicians elected.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's a machine.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: Absolute machine.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: So so they definitely want to increase tax you're gonna see an increase in taxes.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: And from a libertarian perspective, wealth taxes punish success.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: Those who actually achieved the American dream, worked hard, and were successful in uh gaining some wealth, well, this is gonna they're fighting that.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: What happens when a state or a city rapidly increases the taxes on on the wealthy?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, well, the wealthy then uh are so attracted they they move into those cities because they want to help and contribute, right?
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the uh states of Texas and Florida, they send thank you notes to those cities because there's a good there's a good used to be a good website called How Money Walks.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: And when you raise money, money will walk.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: They'll walk, raise taxes, money will walk.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: They'll walk to a a state that has lower income.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_03: Well, look at Nashville, Tennessee is absolutely blowing up.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: They've got uh uh you know Starbucks and all sorts of uh corporations and manufacturing that's uh blowing up in that area.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: And then you've got Florida, who's not only uh eliminated the income tax, they're talking about eliminating um the uh uh some of the um like home uh property taxes.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_03: Right crazy.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's gonna be hard when you've got uh Democrats like I mean, excuse me, Republicans like uh uh rank and Freudian slip uh actually calling him out for what he is, and people like that that are in our statehouse, yeah.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: The next two clauses in this pillar have to do with public ownership or democratic control of large corporations, and also stronger unions, easier organizing, and a democratized workplace.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: So basically, uh I was a quality auditor for many years, yeah, and I saw the damage that heck can happen when unions get too much power over the companies.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: What happens is in the middle of the night, the companies will pick up and they'll go to a right-to-work state.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: And this is what the Democrat Socialists now they want basically when they say public ownership and democratic control of large corporations, they mean more union control over what goes on in the corporation.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: Not only that, they want more federal control over what goes on in the corporation.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: And remember, at this point, the socialists will control the federal government.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah, but they don't even get it there.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: Then when you do that, then they run overseas to to places that that have uh that don't have that kind of control.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: That's why they even admit that the only way they think They think that this can possibly work is if they have worldwide uh control because then you'd have nowhere for a corporation or an individual to run.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: And we talked about their foreign policy uh last episode.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, uh geez.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I just it it just drives me crazy.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um the the stupidity is rampant with it.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh experience has taught us that massive and vi and mandatory unionization increases costs, reduces hiring, and pushes small businesses out of the marketplace.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: When unions become political institutions, they distort markets and reduce individual choice.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: And in the end, who does it hurt?
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: It hurts the working class, hurts, it hurts the little guy.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_03: No, it I mean, literally, it hurts everyone.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_03: E even the people up on top that are trying to be untouchable get touched.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_03: So, yeah.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about uh one of the probably the nastiest elements of this particular platform.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: Has to do with redistribution.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, uh they couldn't get more nasty than they have been.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: But redistribution is uh yeah, this is uh uh and I I call it unqualified redistribution because no matter how they think that they uh they can qualify who who who has the needs, they're always going to be wrong.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: This is central to their economic policy.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: Redistribution of wealth.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: They but they want um aggressive structural reallocation of all the economic resources.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: Not just modest tax tweaks.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's a shift where who or who controls wealth production and investment decisions.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it involves aggressive wealth and corporate taxation.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: We already talked about that.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: It involves uh public ownership of major industries, right?
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: To make them more democratic and to make sure that the wealth is distributed to the workers.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: There's no dem democratic to it.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's just more authoritarian.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, absolutely.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_03: And uh more centralized.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_03: I I I don't understand how when people see the oxymoron between being democratic and people-owned to centralize.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_03: When you centralize something, that means that there's a central power, there's a singular power, and that is decentralizing power.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so uh the the marketplace is taken completely out of it, they think.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_03: But the marketplace always has its ugly head rear.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_03: And uh that's why we have black markets.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: So you need to control the wealth of the country if you're going to provide Medicare, Medicare for all, if you're gonna provide tuition-free education, if you're gonna provide public housing for all, and if you're gonna provide federal job guarantees.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_03: And and none of those things will be provided, as we've seen in Venezuela.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it's just it it don't work.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_03: It don't work, people.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: And uh I I I know your uh out there, uh you believe that your program for socialism, Marxism, communism, whatever ism you want to call it, but it's all Marxism, is yours will work because the people will be, you know, just so happy.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: They aren't.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_03: They're just more miserable.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_03: You're just trying to make the misery spread from the people who produce to those who don't produce, so they all can be miserable.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna control the wealth because we need to take care of the children.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_03: That they are good lord.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that is I keep bringing that up.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Whenever a politician comes to me and says, Well, what about the p children?
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: I know then that it's time to turn around and run.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that exactly, or I'm here to help.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_03: Big big problem.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: The bottom line from a libertarian perspective is episode on episode platform four replaces market dynamics with political control.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: And this while taxes undermine property rights, public ownership reduces innovation.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: Politicize union unions distort markets.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Wage mandates harm who do they harm the most?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: They harm the low-skilled workers.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_03: Or the people who want to be introduced into the into the uh labor class.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: And redistribution expands government dependency.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: We're all going to be subjects to the government now rather than the government.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: You will own nothing and be very happy.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, indebitably.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: So from a libertarian perspective, we believe economic freedom, not state management, is the engine for thriving communities.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a quick overview of the last two platforms of the Democratic Socialist of America platform.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_03: And I want to apologize to our listeners to have to suffer through their platform, but at least uh at least they can't uh accuse us of not bringing their uh platform and their ideas out to the public.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: So uh in in closing, I'm I'm not gonna go through all the platforms again or all the elements again, but I'll ask a question.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: What happens to the American way of life if the DSA politicians are successfully in winning control of the US government?
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: From a libertarian perspective, full implementation of the DSA platform would represent the largest expansion of federal power in US history.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: We would see this not as a policy shift, but as a civilizational pivot away from American traditional tradition of individual autonomy and voluntary exchange.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: We believe that the American way of life used to be centered around individual liberty, private property, voluntary exchange, limited government, pluralism, and decentralized decision making.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: So if the DSA takes control, you can say goodbye to individual and economic freedom.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_03: And to money, and to happiness.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: You can say goodbye to private optimism.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: You can say goodbye to the principle of voluntary exchange.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: And you can say goodbye to the key element of the US Constitution, and that was limited government.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: Say goodbye to pluralism and diversity as symbolized by our still somewhat individual and somewhat sovereign 50 states.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: The 50 states will no longer need a less state legislature because everything will come down from the federal bureaucracy.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: I can only hope that American voters will wake up before November 3rd.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: Or we will or you better prepare yourself for the biggest shitstorm our country has ever seen.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: One historic event sums up my take on the DSA platform.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: When the Berlin Wall fell, in which direction did the people run?
• 31:11
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• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: And now a word from comrade executive producer Trip Detmering.
• 31:21
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• 31:22
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• 31:23
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• 31:24
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• 31:26
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• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, we we've enjoyed uh this part two of our uh series.
• 31:44
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• 31:56
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