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Female mass murderers plotting shootings with aim of high body counts · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: They say we're the weaker sex, but I don't know
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  Speaker 1: about that for sure. Female killers plotting mass murder kind
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  Speaker 1: of hard to believe. But true crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM
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  Speaker 1: one eleven. Let's kick it off with a young lady
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  Speaker 1: named Lindsay Savannah Rath. Listen. Lindsay Savannah Roth was twenty
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  Speaker 1: six and a recent college graduate living at home with
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  Speaker 1: her parents in Geneva, Illinois, when she met James Gamble
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  Speaker 1: on Facebook. He was twenty two, unemployed and living with
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  Speaker 1: his parents in Halifax, Canada. Their online relationship blossomed, so
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  Speaker 1: they moved a Tumblr where they shared their darkest obsession
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  Speaker 1: with the Columbine massacre. They encouraged violence in one another
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  Speaker 1: while creating a plan to create their own massacre in
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  Speaker 1: a public arena. As they courted each other online, their
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  Speaker 1: plan became clearer. The loner versions dreamed up their own
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  Speaker 1: version of a Columbine style attack for Valentine's Day at
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  Speaker 1: a Canadian mall. They were romanticized about the carnage they
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  Speaker 1: would create. Then they would consummate their love for the
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  Speaker 1: first time and kill themselves. That was the plan. When
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay Savannirov hopped a plane in Illinois headed for Halifax, Canada.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I hardly know where to start. That was
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  Speaker 1: Dave mac joining us from Crime Online. You know, I'd
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  Speaker 1: love to go to Crime online dot com investigative reporter
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  Speaker 1: Levi page with me an all star Panela kirk Nurmie,
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  Speaker 1: Jodi Aria's former lawyer. I know you hate to be
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  Speaker 1: introduced that way, but that's your fault, Rmie, your fault,
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  Speaker 1: totally not mine. Author of Trapped with miss Arius Parts
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  Speaker 1: two and three. My final words, I'm not so sure
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  Speaker 1: they're final. Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst, joining us from
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  Speaker 1: Beverly Hills at Doctor Bethany Marshall dot Com Director, Cold
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  Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, crime scene expert Cheryl McCollum, and of course,
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  Speaker 1: leave my page, but I'm gonna have to go with
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall again. Okay, Doctor Bethany helped me. Please,
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  Speaker 1: whatever happened to dinner in a movie? I mean, Willie,
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  Speaker 1: you meet somebody online? And okay, I hate to boil
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  Speaker 1: this down to bad relationships, but Why do you pick
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  Speaker 1: a twenty two year old man who is unemployed and
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  Speaker 1: living with his parents? Why? Why? And she's a college
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  Speaker 1: helped me, Bethany. And she's a twenty six year old
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  Speaker 1: college ground he is a college graduate. But all of
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  Speaker 1: these homicidal fantasies she's having going to a mall being
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  Speaker 1: like the column buying killers, glorifying them, all of these
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  Speaker 1: homicide idle fantasies seem to be wrapped up in some
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  Speaker 1: kind of a love relationship with him. It's as if
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  Speaker 1: the idea of killing is cementing her relationship with him,
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  Speaker 1: like some sort of a Bonnie implide as if she doesn't,
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  Speaker 1: as if she's unable to use her feminine charms, being
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  Speaker 1: a woman, her brain, being college graduate, in order to
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  Speaker 1: start a relationship with somebody. Okay, right there, right there,
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  Speaker 1: you're bothering me, Bethany, Doctor Bethany, you're bothering me because
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  Speaker 1: why do women have to go around? Okay, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to another expert because I don't
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  Speaker 1: like what you're saying. I'm gonna go to Cheryl McCullum. Cheryl,
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  Speaker 1: if I thought I had to use my feminine charms
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  Speaker 1: to snare my husband, I would still be alone in
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  Speaker 1: my apartment reading case files. Okay, you can't plot to
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  Speaker 1: get somebody. You have to just be yourself and find
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  Speaker 1: the right person or let them just basically fall on
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  Speaker 1: your head. You don't use charms. And Cheryl McCollum, did
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  Speaker 1: you hear the part which Bethany Marshall conveniently ignored where
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  Speaker 1: they want to have a mass shooting spree at a
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  Speaker 1: mall then consummate their love in other words, have sex.
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  Speaker 1: What right there by the bloody bodies? Cheryl, help me,
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  Speaker 1: because Bethany, you're not helping me well when you're a
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  Speaker 1: loner virgin, I mean, I mean that's putting a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of pressure on that poor boy that you know
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to do this one time, one
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  Speaker 1: time only in the middle of this event. So the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing is ridiculous, Nancy. And you know, for me,
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  Speaker 1: it sounds almost like the freaky in cells. That's Jackie's
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  Speaker 1: observation here in the studio, you know, the involuntary celibates.
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  Speaker 1: But here's one difference. They have found each other online,
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  Speaker 1: albeit in their parents' basement's respective. But what okay, Bethany
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go out on Liam and go back
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  Speaker 1: to you, all right, Bethany. The thought of shooting up
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  Speaker 1: a mall, and they fantasize about the bloody carnage they're
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  Speaker 1: leaving behind, right, and then they're what gonna have sex
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  Speaker 1: across from the centabon? How's that supposed to work? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: So here's what I'm thinking. Instead of using the normal
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  Speaker 1: dating rituals. I think I was trying to say, instead
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  Speaker 1: of like asking each other out on a date, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, oh I love this, or doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: Erase Era and Jurassic Erace didn't say that. Go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: let's see Bethany Marshall do the backstroke. Go ahead. I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to get out of the feminine charms kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: I think what I was trying to say was, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you better dig deep and get out of that. They're
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  Speaker 1: using something other than attachment, the slow unfolding process of
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  Speaker 1: getting to know each other, dating, involving each other in
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  Speaker 1: each other's communities, something other than that to cement their relationship.
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  Speaker 1: They're using gore, homicidal fantasies, the idea of people running
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  Speaker 1: away in terror, the idea of having a paranoid relationship
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  Speaker 1: with the world that they're at the top and everybody
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  Speaker 1: else is against them. That is the fabric of the relationship.
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  Speaker 1: That is the glue that is holding both of them together.
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  Speaker 1: And I would guess that both of them are very strange,
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  Speaker 1: isolated loaners who have no other way to form connections
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  Speaker 1: with people other than terrorizing. Much like the flasher on
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  Speaker 1: the street corner who opens his trench coat and tries
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  Speaker 1: to frighten people and sees them running away. That's his
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  Speaker 1: only way to feel alive and to feel connected and
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  Speaker 1: to feel attached is to strike terror in the heart
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  Speaker 1: of other people. That these two killers potential killers, don't
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  Speaker 1: have normal ways to bond with each other. I knew
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  Speaker 1: somehow you were going to work sex into this. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know how even though it's a flasher opening his raincoat.
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  Speaker 1: You did say something that really made sense to me,
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  Speaker 1: And that was the fabric of their relationship. Because it's
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  Speaker 1: changed over the years. But now what David and I
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  Speaker 1: talk about the most is the twins, their school, their
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  Speaker 1: school projects, they're scouting, they're this, they're that, their health
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, and are they online too much?
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  Speaker 1: Should we have given them their phone? Just all that,
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  Speaker 1: that is the fabric. That's what we talk about. These
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  Speaker 1: two talk about blood and go. We're also in the
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  Speaker 1: studio with me in addition to Jackie is Brett Brett
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  Speaker 1: you're not married yet? Right? Okay? All right? Just so
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  Speaker 1: you know, this young lady who's fairly attractive called herself.
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  Speaker 1: Is this correct levipage crime online dot com investigative reporter?
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  Speaker 1: Her nickname is Nightmare Nazi. What can you tell me
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  Speaker 1: about this woman? So, Nancy, she actually came up with
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  Speaker 1: that nickname because it was a character that she developed
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  Speaker 1: when she was sixteen years old at a high school
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  Speaker 1: in Geneva, Illinois, outside of Chicago. And it was a
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  Speaker 1: role playing extracurricular activity that she did at high school.
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  Speaker 1: And most of the people in this club would role
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  Speaker 1: play warriors or sorcerers, something out of Harry Potter. But
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  Speaker 1: when she was sixteen years old, she developed a character
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  Speaker 1: sort of her alter ego called Nightmare Nazi, and she
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  Speaker 1: drew this villainous looking woman with a long coat, a
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  Speaker 1: gas mask, she carried a sword, she had the Nazi
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  Speaker 1: symbol on her and that was back in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and eight, and then she became a member on white
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  Speaker 1: supremacist Communities. She was quoted praising David Duke, a former
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  Speaker 1: Grand Wizard of the KKK, and she posted fondly about
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  Speaker 1: Dylan Ruth, who was the racist, terroristic murderer that gunned
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  Speaker 1: down several people in a church in Charleston, South Carolina
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  Speaker 1: as they were praying. Dylan Ruth, as I recall, comes
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  Speaker 1: into a predominantly African American church, waits until everybody's praying,
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  Speaker 1: and I know that moment you get to a certain
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  Speaker 1: point in the church service and everyone prays, and then
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  Speaker 1: you go into the Lord's prayer. It was right then,
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  Speaker 1: while everyone had their eyes closed at Dylan Ruth opens fire.
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  Speaker 1: And this is Sushi seeks out time stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: Women masterminding mass killings. That's what we're talking about. It
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  Speaker 1: are kicking it off with the self named nightmare Nazi. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: her name is Lindsay Savannah Rath, and I want you
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  Speaker 1: to take into an RCMP press conference take a lesson.
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  Speaker 1: Information gathered suggested that a nineteen year old Timberly male
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  Speaker 1: and a twenty three year old Geneva, Illinois female had
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  Speaker 1: access to firearms, and it was their intention to go
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  Speaker 1: to a public venue in the Halifax region on February fourteenth,
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  Speaker 1: with a goal of opening fire to kill citizens and
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  Speaker 1: then themselves. Evidence also suggested that two other males aged
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  Speaker 1: twenty and seventeen of Halifax and Coal Harbor, respectfully, were involved.
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  Speaker 1: Their role is still to be determined as part of
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  Speaker 1: the investigation. Had they been able to carry out their intentions,
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  Speaker 1: the possibility for a large loss of life was definitely
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  Speaker 1: was definitely there. I would classify it as a group
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  Speaker 1: of individuals that had some beliefs and were willing to
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  Speaker 1: carry out violent acts against citizens. We had members of
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  Speaker 1: the Geneva High School drama club as sixteen year old
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay savannahra to immediately pick a character and improv. They
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  Speaker 1: were expecting a sorceress and elf, a valkyrie, a female warrior,
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  Speaker 1: but this very shy and clean cut teenager chose something
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  Speaker 1: very very different and showed them a detailed pencil drawing
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  Speaker 1: of Nightmare Nazi. That was her PERSONA joining me right
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  Speaker 1: now as a man who knows all about devilish female killers.
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  Speaker 1: Now he won't say a word about his client Jodi
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  Speaker 1: Arias being a killer because he had to devote a
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  Speaker 1: lot of his legal career to proving she was not
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  Speaker 1: a killer. Kurt NARMI is with me author, I've Trapped
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  Speaker 1: with miss Arius Parts two and three, my final words.
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  Speaker 1: You can find it on Amazon, and it is quite
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  Speaker 1: the read from that point of view as her a
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney. Kurt Irman, you thought you had a bad
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  Speaker 1: This woman actually calls herself Nightmare Nazi. What about that? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean we can see these what we talked about,
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  Speaker 1: what doctor Bethany brought up, I think is so important
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  Speaker 1: because this Nightmare Nazi, she's a teenager, she's quiet, she's
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  Speaker 1: a little troubled, but we don't see any action. But
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  Speaker 1: when she connects through this true crime community, she finds
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  Speaker 1: a partner in that action, and the vision becomes romanticized,
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  Speaker 1: and the killing becomes romanticized at any cost, and that
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  Speaker 1: becomes the sole focus of their life. It's like a
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  Speaker 1: merger of these two sparks of destruction. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: love the way you seized on the routine because when
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  Speaker 1: she presented herself as Nightmare Nazi, she was a teen
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  Speaker 1: in high school. She's twenty six now, still living with
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  Speaker 1: her parents, and sparked up a flame online with another
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  Speaker 1: deadbeat level with his parents, unemployed twenty two year old guys.
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  Speaker 1: The photo that she the picture she drew included trench coat,
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  Speaker 1: jack boots, gas mask those of an SS soldier, skeletal
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  Speaker 1: hands clutching a dagger. That was who her alter ego is. Okay, guys,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to our France. At CBS Lindsay, Savannaath's
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  Speaker 1: parents traveled to Canada from Illinois to learn their daughter's fate.
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  Speaker 1: She pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit murder after plotting
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  Speaker 1: a massacre at the mall. Today, she was sentenced to
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  Speaker 1: life in prison with no chance of parole for ten years.
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  Speaker 1: It certainly sends a clear message that anyone who would
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  Speaker 1: think of participating in something to this extreme, the random
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  Speaker 1: killing of innocent citizens, will suffer very serious consequences. Back
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  Speaker 1: in February twenty fifteen, Savannareth wasn't worried about that. I've
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  Speaker 1: purchased the plane ticket. I'm leaving for Canada tomorrow and
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  Speaker 1: the only way I'm coming back is in a body bag,
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  Speaker 1: she wrote to a friend. Seven and a half weeks earlier,
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  Speaker 1: she met Nova Scotian James Gamble online. The two quickly
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  Speaker 1: bonded over a shared fascination of the Columbine massacre, chatting
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  Speaker 1: online every day planning to open fire in the food
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  Speaker 1: court at the Halifax Shopping Center. Gamble had already tried
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  Speaker 1: to partner with his best friend, Randy Shepherd, but while
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  Speaker 1: Shepherd supported the plan, he wanted Gamble to kill him
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  Speaker 1: before the massacre itself. What a bunch of crazy, homicidal
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  Speaker 1: maniac stewing in the same pot. And I'm looking at
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  Speaker 1: the drawings she made and this is at a high school,
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  Speaker 1: and it's really scary. Her persona alter ego, the Nightmare Nazi,
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  Speaker 1: has the face covered, holding a giant kind of like
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  Speaker 1: the Graham Reaper and holding a giant dagger. The good
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  Speaker 1: news they caught her and her creepy boyfriend, I guess
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  Speaker 1: still hiding out this parents' basement before they could unleash
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  Speaker 1: a hail of bullets at the Cinnamon and the Spencer's
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  Speaker 1: Gift and the J. C. Pennies Flagship Mall. Long story short,
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  Speaker 1: how do women end up planning a homicide of this
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  Speaker 1: nature mass killing? Luckily we have a shrink and a
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  Speaker 1: crime scene expert. I figure it out, but I want
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  Speaker 1: you to Listen now to another young mess Her name
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  Speaker 1: Brian Massarik. Listen to our friends at CBS Fort Miami,
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  Speaker 1: Florida stripper has been charged with threatening a mass shooting.
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  Speaker 1: Lakeland Police say thirty one year old Brian Bossa Rich
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  Speaker 1: posted about her homicidal urges on social media under the
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  Speaker 1: user name taking Lives. According to an arrest Affi David,
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  Speaker 1: she said she had a vision of a bar we're
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  Speaker 1: club with only one entrance and exit, and that she
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  Speaker 1: planned to purchase. In a Our fifteen quote soonish. In
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  Speaker 1: by News nine reports, she described herself as a great
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  Speaker 1: admirer of serial killers in mass murderers. A great admirer
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  Speaker 1: of serial killers and mass murderers. Her nickname, her handle,
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  Speaker 1: her moniker is taking lives. Okay, Cheryl McCollum's Sideley, You
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  Speaker 1: and I have been many a strip club. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: usually in the off hours, and they're really nasty in
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  Speaker 1: the daytime. I've been there inside in the parking lot
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  Speaker 1: trying to find witnesses. So this is a stripper, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's that stereotype like kind of on what
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  Speaker 1: was it with Julia Robertson, a pretty woman. So she's
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  Speaker 1: this good hearted Hooker. Well, that may have been true
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  Speaker 1: with Julia Roberts, but in this case, very rarely do
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  Speaker 1: you find the heart of gold stripper or a stripper
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  Speaker 1: putting herself through college or just trying to get her
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  Speaker 1: children through private school. That is a crop of bs. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's not true, man. They just want your money. When
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  Speaker 1: they look at you, they don't think you're handsome. They
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  Speaker 1: think you're an ATM machine and it works. So here
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  Speaker 1: we have a stripper who's not necessarily after all our
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  Speaker 1: clients money, if you could call them clients, but she
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  Speaker 1: is quote taking lives. Why do men cling to the
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  Speaker 1: idea of the good heartiest stripper? I mean, Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: you and I have had to look for witnesses a
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  Speaker 1: strip clubs. It ain't all that, Cheryl. It is not
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  Speaker 1: all that, Nancy. No, it's usually a very sad story
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  Speaker 1: if you get to it. Most strippers have been true
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  Speaker 1: abused and most are strung out. So it's really not
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  Speaker 1: a Julia Roberts pretty woman movie at all. What concerns
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  Speaker 1: me about this story is you have a woman that
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  Speaker 1: has picked a soft target, which most of them do,
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  Speaker 1: and a soft you know what I mean by a
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  Speaker 1: soft target is there's not going to be a lot
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  Speaker 1: of guns where they're going. There's not gonna be anybody
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  Speaker 1: that's probably going to stand up and stop them. So
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  Speaker 1: people tend to pick churches, they pick workplaces where they
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  Speaker 1: know there's not weapons, they pick schools, things of that nature.
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  Speaker 1: So here that's what she's done as well. They also
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  Speaker 1: tend to have this fantasy of fame and notoriety of
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  Speaker 1: some form. They want to go out in a blaze
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  Speaker 1: of glory. They want people to know them. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are chasing Columbine. They want that number. So
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  Speaker 1: that's the thing as a criminologist that concerns me about
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  Speaker 1: what I'm hearing, Well, what do you mean by they
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  Speaker 1: want that number? That number of they want to be
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  Speaker 1: This is the worst mass shooting in American history, this
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  Speaker 1: is the worst mass shooting in the world. They want
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  Speaker 1: that number, Which is another reason. There's an argument that
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  Speaker 1: we don't publicize their names anymore. We don't talk about
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  Speaker 1: them anymore, you know, we should talk only about the victims.
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  Speaker 1: So hopefully that will deter people from chasing that goal
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  Speaker 1: of I want to be known as what Columbine God
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace we are talking about it's
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  Speaker 1: against every stereotype you've imagined young women, and I've noticed
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  Speaker 1: they are all fairly young jackie who fantasize not about
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  Speaker 1: walking down the aisle or a big career, or moving
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  Speaker 1: to New York City, or being a star, going to
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  Speaker 1: VET school or being a doctor. They dream of mass murder.
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  Speaker 1: And it is a contradiction, a great, a deep divide,
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  Speaker 1: and a contradiction of what we expect of women. Mass
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  Speaker 1: killer one Bees and Bethany take a listen again to
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  Speaker 1: our friends at CBS four. This is matt URIs. A
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  Speaker 1: Florida stripper has been charged with threatening a mass shooting.
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  Speaker 1: Lakeland police say thirty one year old Brian Bossa Rich
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  Speaker 1: posted about her homicidal urges on social media under the
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  Speaker 1: user name taking Lives. According to an arrest Affi David,
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  Speaker 1: she said she had a vision of a bar or
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  Speaker 1: club with only one entrance and exit, and that she
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  Speaker 1: planned to purchase an aar fifteen quote soonish in Bay
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  Speaker 1: News nine reports, she described herself as a great admirer
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  Speaker 1: of serial killers. In mass murderers, guys are talking now
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  Speaker 1: about a Florida's stripper arrested for a threatening mass shooting
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  Speaker 1: after admitting she had urges to kill, wanting to buy
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  Speaker 1: an AAR fifteen, and having a prophetic vision of a
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  Speaker 1: single exit bar or club on a busy night on
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  Speaker 1: social media. It sounds a lot like Pulse. Do you
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  Speaker 1: remember that? To you, doctor, Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining me
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  Speaker 1: out of LA sounds a lot like she was having
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  Speaker 1: visions of the Pulse nightclub. Nancy. Can I figure that
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  Speaker 1: on that? Because what were you saying, Bethany? Well, I
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  Speaker 1: just what Cheryl said about these women wanting to be
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  Speaker 1: famous is so important. They do confuse infamy with being famous.
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  Speaker 1: There's a large copycat component to this, like the Pulse
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  Speaker 1: night club. I decided to do a little experiment before
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  Speaker 1: today's show, Nancy. Instead of a literature and thinking deeply
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  Speaker 1: about all of this, I decided to pay attention to
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  Speaker 1: what you and the guests were saying and analyze it
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  Speaker 1: like I would have patients. And what I'm hearing is
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  Speaker 1: that these women's crimes follow the same trajectory as male crimes,
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  Speaker 1: which is so unusual. Men who have school shootings always
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  Speaker 1: want that fish in a barrel, quality one entrance, one exit.
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  Speaker 1: The doors are locked. They're at the top of the stairs,
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  Speaker 1: the victims are at the bottom. There's a power imbalance.
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  Speaker 1: Often the fantasy's foment during high school, the idea idea
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  Speaker 1: that they are at some lower rung or being bullied
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  Speaker 1: by peers, and they're going to correct that power and
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  Speaker 1: balance through school shootings or through idealizing the Columbine shooters.
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  Speaker 1: And then the final element, and we see this with
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  Speaker 1: men and now with women, that they always romanticize the
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  Speaker 1: crimes through online writings, through relationships, through poems, through glorifying,
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  Speaker 1: and now most recently through memes. That they think a
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  Speaker 1: lot about this, and they confess their homicidal fantasies ahead
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  Speaker 1: of time. And there seems to be an element of
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  Speaker 1: a compulsion. All of these women said that they were
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  Speaker 1: thinking about it, that they were homicidal. A compulsion is
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  Speaker 1: a build up of feelings outside of awareness that can
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  Speaker 1: only be neutralized by an act, meaning there's all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of horrible feelings that they're not processing in the idea
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  Speaker 1: of killing people neutralizes all of these horrible underlying feelings,
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  Speaker 1: so that becomes their only raison d'etra in life. That's
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  Speaker 1: the only thing they can think about. Is neutralizing feelings
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  Speaker 1: of being inadequate by killing other people. I'm reading her
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  Speaker 1: post and it says, in big letters, I had a
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  Speaker 1: vision dot dot dot of a very public place, only
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  Speaker 1: one way in and one way out, preferably a bar
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  Speaker 1: slash club on a busy night. This year has a
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  Speaker 1: lot in store if my plans go according all right
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  Speaker 1: then hashtag fingers crossed, hashtag bar, hashtag club. Anonymous asks her,
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  Speaker 1: what do you need an aar and they're talking, of
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  Speaker 1: course about an AR fifteen. What do you need an
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  Speaker 1: AR four? And she responds for shooting and does the
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  Speaker 1: emoji of the sticking the tongue out and the smiley faced.
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  Speaker 1: Now what we are looking at is a young woman
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  Speaker 1: homicidal bent who seems to have a double life. She
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  Speaker 1: has a job albeit is just stripper. She's really physically pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Her face is also pretty. But this is what's going
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  Speaker 1: on in that head. You know? To you kirknrmy who
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  Speaker 1: defended Jody Arius, now convicted in the brutal murder of
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  Speaker 1: her lover, Travis Alexander. So many people believe Jodi Arius
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  Speaker 1: is beautiful. She still gets love ladders, marriage proposals behind bars.
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  Speaker 1: But there's totally snakes in her head obviously, Kirk, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a trial lawyer, not a shrink with all the words
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  Speaker 1: that Bethany has, But I think snakes in her head
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  Speaker 1: is pretty good way to describe Jodi Aris and this
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  Speaker 1: woman too. I mean, on the outside they look so normal.
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  Speaker 1: How long did you have to talk it to Arias
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  Speaker 1: before she realized while she's not legally insane, there are
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  Speaker 1: snakes in her head. Well, I think snakes in the
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  Speaker 1: head is a good example. And the problem is Nancy
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  Speaker 1: that these people want to release these snakes, right, they
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  Speaker 1: get this vision, they want to release it. And part
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  Speaker 1: of it is I think doctor Bethany said this, there
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  Speaker 1: is a for notoriety. There is a quest for fame.
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  Speaker 1: I mean we saw in Jodi Arius's case, she gave
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  Speaker 1: interviews days after she was arrested and was on CBS
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  Speaker 1: forty eight hours a couple of days when she was
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  Speaker 1: after she was extradited to California. So there is this
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  Speaker 1: quest for attention to release these snakes and to be
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  Speaker 1: seen as someone prominent, someone who wants admiration. And as
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  Speaker 1: we see, there is a circle of admiration, right. We
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  Speaker 1: see Miss Batcherich had had an admiration for the school
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  Speaker 1: shooters and things like that, and they they want that
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  Speaker 1: sort of fame and adulation themselves, and that's part of
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  Speaker 1: they're releasing those snakes into the world now. She states
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  Speaker 1: that she adored and supported Dylan Ruth and does everybody
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  Speaker 1: remember who Dylan Ruth is? For those of you that
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  Speaker 1: don't recall the Devil's Minions straight from Hell, leavipay choose
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  Speaker 1: Dylan Race. So, Dylan Ruth was a young man in
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  Speaker 1: Carolina that gunned down several people in Emmanuel Church are
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  Speaker 1: predominantly from American church, nine people as they were praying.
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  Speaker 1: They invited him into their church. Nancy treated him very kindly,
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  Speaker 1: and in return, he took out a gun and gunned
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  Speaker 1: nine of them down as they prayed. And she posted
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  Speaker 1: a video in one of his court appearances where he
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  Speaker 1: spoke and she said that he had quote an adorable voice.
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  Speaker 1: And when members of this tumbler community were responding to
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  Speaker 1: her saying why she's posting him, why she likes him,
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  Speaker 1: she says, quote, I adore and support him and have
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  Speaker 1: from day one. She also was a big supporter of
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  Speaker 1: Nicholas Cruz, who was the shooter in the Florida High
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  Speaker 1: School in Park. She posted his baby pictures and talked
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  Speaker 1: about how cute he was. Okay, I just had to
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  Speaker 1: drink that in for a moment because I have a
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  Speaker 1: picture of my husband that his his dad had a
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  Speaker 1: fall and passed away just suddenly. Then just a few
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  Speaker 1: months after that, his mom passed away and just covered
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  Speaker 1: in cancer. And David's sister went through a lot of
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  Speaker 1: their things and brought us a picture of David as
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  Speaker 1: a little boy. He looks like he's about two or three.
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  Speaker 1: And Miss Lynch actually had his little booties bronzed and
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  Speaker 1: they're there and I have that out for the twins
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  Speaker 1: to look at. I don't have any baby pictures by
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  Speaker 1: the time my parents had their third child. I have
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  Speaker 1: like one picture and it's of me and my sister.
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  Speaker 1: It's of my sister and I have to be in
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  Speaker 1: the background. Long story short, you have to really love
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  Speaker 1: somebody to put up their baby pictures, all right, to
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  Speaker 1: put up their baby pictures. And she put up Dylan Roofs.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what you said, LEVI? She had up Dylan
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  Speaker 1: Roofs baby pictures. She posted Dylan roof but the baby
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  Speaker 1: pictures were of Nicholas cruise, the school shooter at the Height,
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  Speaker 1: the park plan shooter. Okay, glad you clarified that for me.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, we are talking about women,
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  Speaker 1: female mass killer wannabes. What is going on in their mind?
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  Speaker 1: And the reason it's such a phenomena is that not
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  Speaker 1: only do we have completely incorrect stereotypes of women, but
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  Speaker 1: not only that they seem to blend in to society.
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  Speaker 1: You would never know they're at home plotting a mass killing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to you, doctor Bethany Marshall, somebody in addition
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  Speaker 1: to me, it was talking about this woman, this one
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  Speaker 1: bass Rich, and how beautiful she is. You just strip
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  Speaker 1: her gorgeous body, beautiful, really pretty face. There's some oh
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  Speaker 1: oh oh. This is what led me to it, doctor Bethany.
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  Speaker 1: She thinks that, I think, she said, Dylan Ruthe the
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  Speaker 1: guy that unleash a hell of bullets on innocent worshippers
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  Speaker 1: at a church in Charleston, South Carolina, killing nine African
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  Speaker 1: American victims. She thought his voice was adorable, and that
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  Speaker 1: immediately made me think of Scott Peterson. And once again,
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  Speaker 1: was it HBO or was it Netflix that has just
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  Speaker 1: done a documentary on Scott Peterson. Nobody in this room
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  Speaker 1: saw it? What a and a? Oh? Was it a
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: and E? That painted him out to be innocent? Ridiculous?
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: He is not innocent, And everybody's sending me hate mail
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  Speaker 1: because I know he's guilty. I don't understand that. But
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  Speaker 1: my point is, doctor Bethany, so many people thought Scott
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  Speaker 1: Peterson was handsome and attractive, college degree, good job. When
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  Speaker 1: I looked at him, I just saw a big liar, Bethany,
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  Speaker 1: you know those me and I've just got to tell
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  Speaker 1: you about this guy that's he's a dad at the
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  Speaker 1: children's school, and every time he walks in, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't really know him as a person. He looks like
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: he has just come out of an ad from J Cruz.
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  Speaker 1: Why does when I look at Scott Peterson, I just
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  Speaker 1: see the devil and everything he says is a lie.
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  Speaker 1: Everything what he told Amber Fry, his unwitting mistress, what
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  Speaker 1: he told his wife, his family, everybody. How can you
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  Speaker 1: look at someone knowing what they've done and think they're attractive.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Because these women, like this stripper are
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  Speaker 1: They're connecting and fusing elements that should not be fused. Together.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine if you're raised in the household, and I'm not
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: sure if this was the case with his stripper, but
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  Speaker 1: if you're raised in the household where your parent loves you,
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  Speaker 1: feeds you, puts food on the table, but brutalizes you,
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  Speaker 1: hits you, molests few, then you fuse sex, love, and buy.
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  Speaker 1: Just like metal on metal, you cannot cry it apart.
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  Speaker 1: So this stripper fuses sex. She's a stripper power, having
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  Speaker 1: power over men in the club, exploitation, using them like wallets,
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  Speaker 1: extracting money from them, death, killing, and idealizing the Parkland shooter.
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  Speaker 1: It as if death, violence, aggression, love, sex, they're all
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  Speaker 1: one and the same. They cannot be distinguished. So if
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  Speaker 1: you interviewed this stripper, you would find that in the
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  Speaker 1: matrix of her mind and in every relationship in her life,
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  Speaker 1: all of these elements would come together in some particular way.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, there is probably no pure relationship in
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  Speaker 1: her life where there's mutuality and respect and support and innocence.
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  Speaker 1: The sex and the violence probably infiltrates every attachment system. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: I've told you about too, female mass killer one of these, Well,
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  Speaker 1: have no fear. I've got a third take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to our friends at thirteen. ABC News authorities say twenty
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  Speaker 1: three year old Elizabeth Lacron worshiped other mass murderers like
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  Speaker 1: Dylan Roof and the Columbine High School shooters. She referred
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  Speaker 1: to them as godlike. FBI agents foiled her plot to
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  Speaker 1: commit an attack and identified second floor bar and Toledo.
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  Speaker 1: She noted that there were two ways in and out
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  Speaker 1: of the bar, which could be used as an advantage
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  Speaker 1: when police and emergency responders arrived. It is chilling to
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  Speaker 1: think what would have happened if miss Lacron had been
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  Speaker 1: able to act on her plan. FBI agents say the
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  Speaker 1: Toledo woman wrote letters and send books to the Charleston
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  Speaker 1: church shooter, Dylan Roof. She allegedly told him I've been
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: thinking about you a lot and decided to send you
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  Speaker 1: books every two weeks. The convicted killer has only responded
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  Speaker 1: to four individuals, and Lacron is one of them. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's certainly something out of all the love letters, hate mail,
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  Speaker 1: and fan mail that does old killer gets behind bars.
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  Speaker 1: Dylan Ruth, the Charleston church shooter mass killer, he has
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  Speaker 1: only responded to four. I guess that's her trophy. That
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  Speaker 1: Dylan Ruth the serial killer, responded to her, I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about a young woman named Elizabeth Lacron to you Levi
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  Speaker 1: Page Climb online dot com investigative reporter. Who is this woman? So,
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  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Lacron is twenty three years old and she, along
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  Speaker 1: with her also twenty three year old boyfriend, Vincent Armstrong,
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  Speaker 1: planned to carry out an attack on a bar in Toledo.
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  Speaker 1: She visited multiple times. She was a regular there. She
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  Speaker 1: wanted to learn the landscape to quote get a tactical advantage.
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  Speaker 1: There were two exits, only two ways out. This is
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  Speaker 1: a particular bar in Toledo she chose, and she was
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  Speaker 1: charged with conspiring from with her boyfriend Armstrong from twenty
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  Speaker 1: eighteen of April to December ten, twenty eighteen, to carry
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  Speaker 1: out an attack there. They met online. They started dating
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  Speaker 1: a few months later, and then they moved in with
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  Speaker 1: each other. And when police went to the residence after
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: they were tipped off about best two, it was filled
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  Speaker 1: with weapons and ammunition. Guys, take a listen now to
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  Speaker 1: CBS Evening News correspondent Jeff Peaks, the FBI said today
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  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Lacron was obsessed with the idea of carrying out
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  Speaker 1: a mass murder. She told an undercover agent that she
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  Speaker 1: wanted to target a Toledo bar. She also discussed bombing
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  Speaker 1: a pipeline or attacking a farm. Jeff Fortnado was with
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  Speaker 1: the FBI. She stated she had been involved in a
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  Speaker 1: plan to commit an upscale mass murderer, as she called it.
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  Speaker 1: According to court documents, Lacron was active on social media.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: On Tumbler, she posted photographs and comments glorifying mass murders
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  Speaker 1: like the Columbine shooters and Dylan Roof. Roof, a white supremacist,
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  Speaker 1: shot and killed nine African Americans in a Charleston, South
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  Speaker 1: Carolina church in twenty fifteen. In the weeks leading up
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  Speaker 1: to her arrest, Lacron wrote to Roof in prison. According
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: to court papers, he wrote back asking her to mail
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  Speaker 1: him several books about civil uprisings and the Nazis. So
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: you thank after doing some hard jail time, Dylan Reef
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  Speaker 1: would be finding another direction in his life. Instead, he's
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  Speaker 1: asking for books on mass killing, civil disruption, and Nazis,
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  Speaker 1: and this woman, Elizabeth Lacron, only too happy to oblige him.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at ABC. This is
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  Speaker 1: Tom Lamas Federal investigators had been watching this woman for
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: months after a tip came in that she expressed wanting
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  Speaker 1: to launch a violent attack. Just a few days ago,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: she allegedly bought supplies used in pipe bombs, and that's
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  Speaker 1: when authorities moved in. The FBI arresting twenty three year
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  Speaker 1: old Elizabeth Lacron, alleging she was arming up to possibly
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: blow up a bar in Ohio. She stated she had
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: been involved in a plan to commit an upscale mass
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  Speaker 1: murderers she called it, and her master plan was to
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  Speaker 1: commit an attack at a bar in the city of Toledo.
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  Speaker 1: The FBI says she was in possession of an AK
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  Speaker 1: forty seven, a shotgun, handgun, large amounts of AMMO, and
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  Speaker 1: recently purchased two pounds of gunpowder and more than six screws.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Of course, the screws or to make a homemade bomb
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  Speaker 1: where they fly out and harm and kill people when
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  Speaker 1: the bomb explodes. Not only that, she'd been staking out
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  Speaker 1: a particular bar. The manager says she had become a regular,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: was very nice to other people, and the bar had
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  Speaker 1: only two exits, just like in her dreams. Guys, female
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  Speaker 1: mass killers exist. Don't stereotype these women are not at
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  Speaker 1: home knitting and making homemade meals. That's not what's going
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  Speaker 1: on up here. You know, it's hard to take the
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: mask off a killer and reveal what's underneath, but that
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  Speaker 1: it's a task for Lady Justice. Nancy Grace Crime Story,
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  Speaker 1: signing off, Goodbye friend,