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A Thousand Words – Chris Waterson from The Sheep Farm (Part 1 of 3) · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: A Thousand Words is having a show from the twenty
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Speaker 1: seventh of November to the fourth of December at the
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Speaker 1: Truman Brewery and in Spittlefields. The Righteous Brothers will also be
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Speaker 1: showing their viral artworks with signed posters, prints and cards available,
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Speaker 1: or making excellent Christmas gifts for your wideweight luod Ones.
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Speaker 1: I'll be there every day, so pop by for a
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Speaker 1: chat and see the portraits from the series in the Flesh.
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Speaker 1: We also have a special guest, Andrew Bridging, will be
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Speaker 1: giving presentations on the Friday, Saturday and Sunday evenings, so
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Speaker 1: come along, enjoy the art and meet other like minded people.
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Speaker 1: The exhibition is free. Tickets to see Andrew are available
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Speaker 1: at the Righteous Brothers dot UK.
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Speaker 2: I do listen to stuff about the jab damage because
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Speaker 2: I think they I think it's awful, ignored that set
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Speaker 2: of communities. You know, they add the job and then
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Speaker 2: they just they were gone. If you go to a
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Speaker 2: therapist and tell them that you don't feel right, because
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Speaker 2: the world's insane, isn't it. You know what is in
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Speaker 2: the world is in So you go in time you
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Speaker 2: don't feel right, and he says, well, you've obviously got
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Speaker 2: a problem. Here's some pills and needs to get off
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Speaker 2: your tips, and then you'll accept the world as it
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Speaker 2: is when you reach a point where you've got to
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Speaker 2: go on a minute. And I've got my own relationships
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Speaker 2: and children. I can't put it on them because something
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Speaker 2: to me when I was a kid. You know, I
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Speaker 2: need to set my ship up.
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Speaker 1: Chris. Yeah, welcome, Welcome to my house. Nice to be Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's really good. I really enjoyed our chat me and
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Speaker 1: you know, when you invited me onto the podcast The
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Speaker 1: Sheep Farm, people have said to me, why don't you
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Speaker 1: have guests that you're sort of in conflict with?
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Speaker 3: Oh God, why would you do that?
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Speaker 1: Well, I couldn't do it because I couldn't paint. I
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Speaker 1: couldn't paint.
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Speaker 3: It's like we get the same thing with a podcast.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to argue with anyone. I don't want
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Speaker 2: to tell them what to do either. I just want
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Speaker 2: a conversation. Don't always have to be agree everything, but
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Speaker 2: you can just have a conversation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
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Speaker 3: We talked about that when you're on the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we could talk about it a bit now
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Speaker 1: because I think that was one of the reasons why
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Speaker 1: I sort of. I was just really drawn to both
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Speaker 1: of you. Yeah, because it's quite rare that you just
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Speaker 1: not just in terms of like having an interview because
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Speaker 1: I haven't done that many, but just actual people that
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Speaker 1: you meet and you just feel that like people are
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Speaker 1: just comforting. Like I feel like you and your brother
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Speaker 1: are very comfortable in your own skin. You know that
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Speaker 1: you just you just you know what you think that
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Speaker 1: you don't have to convince anyone. Yeah, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean. I think that's the difference. So I think
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Speaker 1: a lot of people they're they're trying to convince people.
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Speaker 1: They're trying to convince themselves almost, and they're scared to
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Speaker 1: let go of or give any whereas What I really
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Speaker 1: really loved about when when we had the chat was
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Speaker 1: you just that kind of well, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I think we've talked about it between the Salvesen brother
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Speaker 2: and you. You know, when you get into whatever we're
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Speaker 2: into at the moment, you can be a bit evangelistic,
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Speaker 2: can y. Yeah, And me and my brother have been
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Speaker 2: over the fence, if you like, for as long I
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Speaker 2: was thinking about me went out for as long as
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Speaker 2: I can remember.
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Speaker 1: So what was it? Then? Tell us what you remember
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Speaker 1: when the first kind of inklin that there's something fishy
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Speaker 1: going on.
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Speaker 3: Well, I've thought that because people have astas.
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Speaker 2: But I suppose in the conspiratorial world, if you like,
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Speaker 2: we've probably both been in it since we were kids,
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Speaker 2: because my brother was if you imagine, we had lived
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Speaker 2: in a farmhouse in Yorkshire. Yeah, I had books on
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Speaker 2: a ghosts and UFOs. My brother had books on military
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Speaker 2: and JFK. Okay, So but we want to consider itself
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Speaker 2: conspiracy because it wan't a thing, you know. Yeah, and
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Speaker 2: then I went to it. I think I went to
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Speaker 2: a few alien conventions when I was in my twenties, so.
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Speaker 3: We were already there really.
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Speaker 2: But then I think what made me my brother was
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Speaker 2: probably a bit ahead of me. I moved away when
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Speaker 2: I was a kid, when I was about twenty. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I was actually living in Brighton at the time, I remember, okay,
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Speaker 2: and I was talking to my brother, but not as
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Speaker 2: much as we do now. Obviously we're going back fifteen
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Speaker 2: twenty years and I was going to see my mum
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Speaker 2: and we were both obviously starting to think in a
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Speaker 2: similar way because I was talking to my mum and
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Speaker 2: she was like, why why you know we're talking about.
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Speaker 2: I think it'd probably be the Iraq War around them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was.
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Speaker 2: When I really started thinking, this is not even nine
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Speaker 2: to eleven. I think it was more when I started
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Speaker 2: looking was the Iraq War. And I was running on
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Speaker 2: to my mum about something and she's like, you've been
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Speaker 2: speaking to your brother. I said, yeah, I speak to
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Speaker 2: him because you were talking about exactly the same stuff.
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Speaker 2: But we were being apart for ten twenty years or whatever,
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Speaker 2: and for some reason we both started thinking about the
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Speaker 2: same things at a similar time. And she's very peculiar.
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Speaker 2: But like I said, I was worn into ghosts and
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Speaker 2: you have more the weird stuff. My brothers a bit more,
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Speaker 2: you know, the business, the health stuff around it, money,
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Speaker 2: you know, all that kind of stuff. JFK All that
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Man, was a bit more like we
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Speaker 2: were saying about the left and the right side.
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Speaker 3: And I suppose that kind of.
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Speaker 2: Makes sense to it, because as much as me and
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Speaker 2: brother have got in common with this stuff, he's a
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Speaker 2: proper businessman and I'm a artifat whatever he calls me.
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Speaker 2: So I suppose it's good in a way because we
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Speaker 2: do the podcast together and it brings two different versions
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Speaker 2: are two different observations the same subject.
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Speaker 1: You know, what about your parents then? Are they no? Right?
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Speaker 3: Okay, no, he.
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Speaker 1: Didn't inherit your nose.
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Speaker 3: I suppose they both thought out of the box a
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Speaker 3: little bit.
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Speaker 2: But by the time twenty twenty out and the bove
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Speaker 2: passed away and my dad passed away in the middle
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Speaker 2: of it. But I think I don't think the tap
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Speaker 2: would come out. But I think they've probably gone down
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Speaker 2: that road and hopefully we talked him out of it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I could probably taught me about of it, PROMI not
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Speaker 2: my dad, but it never came to that.
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Speaker 1: So were they were they quite them? They might not
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Speaker 1: be on board, but were they Were they free thinking?
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Speaker 3: Momentless?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: They were pretty free thinking. But then a lot of
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Speaker 2: pretty free thinking people still went down there.
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Speaker 3: Don't they. So I don't know what have happened there.
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Speaker 2: But I think my big thing, my big point, I
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Speaker 2: think was the yeah Iraq war. I didn't really pay
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Speaker 2: much attention to nine to eleven, remember thinking it looked dodger,
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Speaker 2: But I didn't pay them that much attention at the time.
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Speaker 2: But when they were saying we were going to go
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Speaker 2: and bomb me, I was like, what this is this
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Speaker 2: doesn't make Kennison. And when he took you sud people
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Speaker 2: about it at the time they call even patriotic, and
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Speaker 2: but like they're going to bomber, you know, a sovereign
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Speaker 2: country for something that there's.
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Speaker 3: No proof of.
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Speaker 2: And then that guy went missing. Remember that guy killed himself? Yeah, Kelly, Kelly, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I remember watching that.
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Speaker 3: Thinking this is, this doesn't make any sense.
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Speaker 2: And I think as well, when people start getting angry
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Speaker 2: with you because you don't agree, that's when it kind
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Speaker 2: of you know, makes think something not right. You remember
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Speaker 2: the in America and because they were questioning going to
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Speaker 2: Iraq and they were saying and the French were questioning
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Speaker 2: going to a rack, so they changed French fries to
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Speaker 2: Freedom fries. Yeah, the New York started pouring all the
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Speaker 2: red French wine down the same train. I think it
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Speaker 2: was the red wine that got me. Actually, I'm like,
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Speaker 2: that's just the way. Yeah, yeah, but I thought, yeah,
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Speaker 2: he just he just all stank a crap. And also
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Speaker 2: it was after nine to eleven. I had nothing to
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Speaker 2: do with Iraq. No one seemed to be putting these
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Speaker 2: pieces together did at the time, and the frenzy around it,
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Speaker 2: I mean it was insane.
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Speaker 3: I remember after nine to eleven.
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Speaker 2: Really distinctly actually, and my son lived in Crawler and
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Speaker 2: I was going to see him and I was on
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Speaker 2: the train and there was a guy, I don't know
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Speaker 2: if he was a Muslim guy or not. We had
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Speaker 2: you know, big beer beer like this, and there was
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Speaker 2: this commotion going on. And what it turned out had
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Speaker 2: happened was he'd he's going to the toilet and left
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Speaker 2: his bag on his chair and these two girls had
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Speaker 2: just gone into a friend and they've gone and got
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Speaker 2: the conduct and I think the conductor would bring some
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Speaker 2: you know, sense to the situation. Yeah, but it ended
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Speaker 2: up he threw him off the bus, off the train.
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Speaker 2: So he threw him off the train and he was
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Speaker 2: stood on the platform with his bag, and I remember
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Speaker 2: him train went past him and he was just looking.
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Speaker 3: He looked straight in my eyes, right, and I just
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Speaker 3: looked him went.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then it just left him and the conductors
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Speaker 2: like it should have and they were like it was ridiculous.
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Speaker 3: He just left his back. My god, where are we going.
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Speaker 1: Fear? Yeah, yeah, it was just it was a very
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Speaker 1: strange time.
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Speaker 2: But like we're saying, I think because nim brother, we're
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Speaker 2: already weighed down any rabbit, or if you like, maybe
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Speaker 2: not to the extent we are now. We went through
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Speaker 2: all that procedure which helped instead of having to wake
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Speaker 2: up in twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1: Well, I feel for I feel for people, yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: and I'm that impressed by people who have fitted in
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Speaker 1: three or four years.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, some of us were a bit more fortunate.
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Speaker 3: To just made it easier than it.
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Speaker 1: Well, we've kind of a bit more children. It happened.
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Speaker 1: I guess a lot of people freaked out. So I
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Speaker 1: suppose those of us who had a bit of an idea, what.
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Speaker 2: About you when we was young ninety seven? Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: so you were aware of it then?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, mate gave me a David like book. So that
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Speaker 1: was a blessing and uh, you know and in some
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Speaker 1: ways because I guess it had to come, but it
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Speaker 1: was a bit of a shock. Yeah. Yeah, it was
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Speaker 1: quite quite a short bang and my whole world just
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Speaker 1: fell apart.
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Speaker 2: I think it's a positive in it. Drava yeah, yeh,
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Speaker 2: Drava Yeah, out of the metrics than in it. Oh yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: even though we still have.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like say, for the generation come in, you know,
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Speaker 1: and with like I would hope they don't have to
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Speaker 1: go through that kind of painful, dark night of the soul,
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Speaker 1: because you know, that's hopefully what we're doing is this.
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Speaker 2: Is took pill to swallow that you around the people
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Speaker 2: that are supposed to be looking after you once you're
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Speaker 2: sick or dead.
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Speaker 3: So unless you can swallow that, well.
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Speaker 1: I think that's why people don't find it so hard
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Speaker 1: to accept some of the facts that they're presented with
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Speaker 1: because it is very much tied to childhood trauma, rejection issues,
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Speaker 1: you know, and everything, all that, all the whole childhood
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Speaker 1: stuff that you know, your mom and dad probably didn't
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Speaker 1: show you enough love or you know, you teach it
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Speaker 1: wasn't very nice to you at school or whatever, and
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Speaker 1: then and then you kind of get some semblance of
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Speaker 1: normality in your life. Actually they're trying to kill you.
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Speaker 1: It's just too much. I think for a lot of people,
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Speaker 1: it's just too traumatic.
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Speaker 2: But also as another thing, as a sad I talked
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Speaker 2: about this in this podcast quite a bit. When I
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Speaker 2: was a kid living in the village we're living, I
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Speaker 2: saw a Ufo, me and May and I remembering home
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Speaker 2: telling me parents, there's like five of us kids there
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Speaker 2: and I remember it very vividly, but no one believed me, right,
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Speaker 2: and I thought, but we definitely saw something.
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Speaker 3: I mean, as times moved that that's where my.
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Speaker 1: Alien she can Okay, I'm not surprised.
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Speaker 2: When I got about fifteen sixteen, I started to think
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Speaker 2: about it more and then read books about, you know,
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Speaker 2: the UFO thing. But then now I kind of think
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Speaker 2: that's a bit of a sigh up as well, the
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Speaker 2: old alien thing. But but the fact is we saw something.
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Speaker 2: You know, I saw a big, big disc in the
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Speaker 2: sky and it was pretty close as well. But I mean,
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Speaker 2: could have been military, could have been anything.
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Speaker 3: Who else. I've got no idea. I've never seen an alien.
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Speaker 1: You might be right, but it might be that the
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Speaker 1: kind of idea that it's a side.
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Speaker 3: Oh no, that's good, you know what I mean, because.
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Speaker 1: You know, he got to this point where basically everyone's going,
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, Project Blue Beam. You know that's going to
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Speaker 1: be the next thing, you know, and it's.
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Speaker 3: All going to be interesting. Yeah, it would be interesting.
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Speaker 1: But actually, I mean, I've I mentioned this a few times,
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Speaker 1: but I've been getting into guy called Paul Wallace, and
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Speaker 1: he talks it's like the ancient alien theory, you know,
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Speaker 1: the kind of van Yeah, that was one that threw me.
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Speaker 1: Charots of the God. Yeah, my mum's big in the seventies.
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Speaker 3: Gave me the whole book book collection. I read them
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Speaker 3: all one summer and I was like, oh, my work.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Well he sort of takes it, I guess
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Speaker 1: a bit, a little bit further, and he there's a
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Speaker 1: guy called Billina who's Italian. He was a translator for
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Speaker 1: the Vatican, right, so he started looking at the at
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Speaker 1: the the literal translations of some of the words in
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Speaker 1: the Old Testament, and things like glory of God translates
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Speaker 1: the or Spirit of God actually translated a big, heavy machine, right,
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Speaker 1: you know, so like they entered the spirit of God
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Speaker 1: is really they entered the big machine of God, you know,
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Speaker 1: and all these kind of things, and it it's really
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Speaker 1: convincing this idea that to me anyway, it seems very
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Speaker 1: convincing that the Old Testament is a is a fairly
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Speaker 1: historic historical account of the colonization of Earth.
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Speaker 2: When I say, I mean the Hollywood version of the yea,
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Speaker 2: because like I said, there was something in the sky,
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Speaker 2: and I think as history is I think we're being
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Speaker 2: led to about history. It's funny you say this because
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Speaker 2: actually about a week I'm going to dig out I've
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Speaker 2: got one. I don't think i've got them one as
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Speaker 2: the charity of the God's Charity of the Gold. But
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Speaker 2: I've got one big, thick Dannakin book and I think
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Speaker 2: it was after them, and I remember reading it and
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Speaker 2: he said, I mean he he basically said he doesn't know.
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Speaker 2: He's just putting forward suggestions. But he got attacked for
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Speaker 2: you know, being whatever. But he's putting forward suggestions, which
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Speaker 2: and I think the suggestions need you know, they are
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Speaker 2: interesting to look at.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean I'll stop there.
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Speaker 2: I mean he basically just says, you know, when they
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Speaker 2: say that they came down from the sky and a
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Speaker 2: roar of lights and thunder.
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Speaker 3: Is that a rocket ship? That was a lot of Yeah,
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Speaker 3: be interesting to go back and have a look at.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you'd probably like you'd like this guy,
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Speaker 1: Paul Wallace fifth kind is the Channelers. I think, right,
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Speaker 1: really interesting, really easy to listen to, and he's got
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Speaker 1: very lovely voices.
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Speaker 2: You just I do find I listened to ones where
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Speaker 2: the voice and these different people in it because I
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Speaker 2: can find some things I listened to and it's not
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Speaker 2: that the vice annoysment, but I stopped listening because I do.
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Speaker 3: I don't. I might have told you bro siting shed
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Speaker 3: making sculptures.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, very good.
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Speaker 2: I'll put a podcast on and if if the voice
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Speaker 2: isn't in some turn that agrees with me, I'll just
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Speaker 2: think I even listened to that fight.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very thick, Yeah, very important.
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Speaker 1: These things aesthetics of it all.
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Speaker 2: The UFO story, for like, from that point when I
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Speaker 2: when I was a kid, to reading all the books
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Speaker 2: about it, Van Dorrek and then have gone full circle
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Speaker 2: and I want to start it just Vandanaic again, just
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Speaker 2: to see where it's said at the time. But I
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Speaker 2: find it, I still find it all fascinating.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But then when I remember going to see Independence there
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Speaker 2: and they had Area fifty one in it, fought. This
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Speaker 2: is strange because this was like a conspirator and now
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Speaker 2: it's a mainstream, massive film.
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Speaker 3: So I think there's a reason. For instance, I think
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Speaker 3: the Area fifty.
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Speaker 2: One's story for like, he's probably a diversion.
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Speaker 3: But oh no, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I've heard, I've got no. I
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Speaker 1: kind of my gut would be, yeah, it probably is.
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Speaker 1: But then I've heard some quite convincing accounts, but you
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Speaker 1: know it's not my.
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Speaker 2: There's things flying around over there and there's all they
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Speaker 2: used to be. But there's something to something. But then
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Speaker 2: when it pops up in a massive Hollywood production.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's different ways you can look at that,
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Speaker 1: isn't it. It's like, well, okay, they're kind of telling us
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Speaker 1: because they know it's got to come out. I don't
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Speaker 1: necessarily see these things as because I was listening to
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Speaker 1: Mark Youden and your on the Sheet far and he
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Speaker 1: said something like and I really like, I liked it
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Speaker 1: lot what he said. You know, I'm not criticizing. Are
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Speaker 1: really warmed to him, but he but he did say, now,
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Speaker 1: now he kind of sees I don't know how he
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Speaker 1: put it, like everything that they say is a lie
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Speaker 1: pretty much.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And his logic was, you know, if if your intentions
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Speaker 1: are to control and screw over the population, and you're
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Speaker 1: you're in complete control of the media, blah blah blah,
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Speaker 1: why would you ever put anything out that's not a lie?
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Speaker 1: And I just thought that for a scientist, it didn't.
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Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised in a way because there's
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Speaker 1: so many other factors, you know, like who are they?
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Speaker 1: What does complete control mean? You know, there there has
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Speaker 1: to be other forces at work, you know, it isn't
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Speaker 1: this cabal that have complete control over every voice that's
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Speaker 1: that goes out in the main even in the mainstream.
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Speaker 1: I would just I would say probably, oh.
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Speaker 2: I would like to think, and maybe this is me
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Speaker 2: being over optimistic, as always calls back, but you'd like
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Speaker 2: to think if there is a faction that runs this show,
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Speaker 2: if you like, there would be good fosters within their
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Speaker 2: fighting against well, yeah, bad fosters, you would like to think,
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Speaker 2: But logic would.
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Speaker 1: Say that there should be to some extent. I mean
17:23
Speaker 1: I always go on the idea that ship attracts ship
17:27
Speaker 1: kind of so you can see over over generations, it's
17:32
Speaker 1: quite understandable that they would have a pretty tight control
17:35
Speaker 1: over who gets, you know, in a position of power,
17:38
Speaker 1: because for all the reasons that we know that it
17:43
Speaker 1: would just kind of it's almost like an evolutionary.
17:46
Speaker 2: I don't think there's much chance left there now, if
17:49
Speaker 2: I'm honest, who gets into power me?
17:51
Speaker 3: No, I think I think.
17:52
Speaker 2: That is pretty much writtenough, it's done. Yeah, and you've
17:56
Speaker 2: got to be pretty blind not to see that.
17:57
Speaker 1: But I think, I mean, it was interesting chatting with
18:00
Speaker 1: Andrew Bridging because it was one of the things that
18:04
Speaker 1: one hasn't gone out yet, but it was going to say, Yeah,
18:07
Speaker 1: it was one of one of the things that we
18:10
Speaker 1: talked a bit about because obviously he's in that world.
18:12
Speaker 1: He would be classic, you know, his head boy at school.
18:16
Speaker 1: He was sort of quite into authority.
18:19
Speaker 2: I suppose when you've heard him, you can see when
18:21
Speaker 2: he talked about his constituency, he really believes in the
18:24
Speaker 2: political system.
18:25
Speaker 1: Well but yeah, you know he actually did.
18:29
Speaker 2: Yeah you could actually you know, do something good for
18:33
Speaker 2: your local area and stuff. Yeah, you can really see
18:35
Speaker 2: that in it. Yeah, and so it must be quite
18:38
Speaker 2: painful for him.
18:39
Speaker 1: I think it was. I think he went through a real,
18:42
Speaker 1: real hard time sort of coming to terms with it all.
18:45
Speaker 1: I imagine, you know, because he was in that world
18:48
Speaker 1: and you know, I wasn't sure what was going to
18:51
Speaker 1: make or because you know, he wasn't necessarily a bit
18:55
Speaker 1: like I was saying earlier, you know, I tend to
18:58
Speaker 1: be drawn to having a chat with people that I
19:00
Speaker 1: feel maybe on a similar page. You know, it's coming
19:03
Speaker 1: from a different place, really, politician, he's not the common
19:06
Speaker 1: person that I'd probably be drawn to. Well what what
19:09
Speaker 1: in normal life?
19:10
Speaker 2: You know, one thing that twenty twenty did do, It
19:11
Speaker 2: did bring a lot of different fuck together who would
19:14
Speaker 2: never have probably gone together, which is a positive. You know,
19:19
Speaker 2: if if you do, if we do have a win
19:21
Speaker 2: like through you know the last five years, we're not
19:23
Speaker 2: going to know about it, you know, we don't.
19:25
Speaker 3: We don't get told the positives on TV the BBC.
19:29
Speaker 2: Oh you did you know there was a match for
19:31
Speaker 2: London of a half million people that will want against
19:33
Speaker 2: the machine. You're not going to get that side of
19:36
Speaker 2: the events. No, just you know, well, we weren't even
19:40
Speaker 2: on TV, was it? When I remember I remember people
19:45
Speaker 2: walking through.
19:47
Speaker 1: I remember that night, the first on the first Big
19:48
Speaker 1: March and we put the tally on like well, we
19:52
Speaker 1: put the computer on the got and got the ten
19:55
Speaker 1: o'clock news, the word on TV and the the first
20:03
Speaker 1: Vicky said, we were watching it. He said, after about
20:05
Speaker 1: ten minutes they had this like the first the first
20:09
Speaker 1: sketch I call it sketch because that's pretty much what
20:11
Speaker 1: it was. Was this like hospital scene and this guy
20:15
Speaker 1: had died, you know, and the family were all crying.
20:18
Speaker 1: But they'd used like mood lighting, you know, they'd put
20:21
Speaker 1: those CPR tones and they'd put that and then they
20:23
Speaker 1: had this music going it. You know, Like I said,
20:28
Speaker 1: this is like a scandy drama, you know, one of
20:30
Speaker 1: those you know, the moody Scandinavian noir ya dramas. Yeah,
20:36
Speaker 1: it was really like it was like because we haven't
20:37
Speaker 1: watched Telly for so long, it was like, this is
20:42
Speaker 1: this is what they're putting out as news. This is
20:44
Speaker 1: like like pure drama. And Vicky said, I feel she
20:50
Speaker 1: watched it for about ten minutes open to get the
20:53
Speaker 1: march thing it was still going on, and this one
20:55
Speaker 1: skit sort of lasted about ten minutes. It's like Vicky said,
20:59
Speaker 1: I feel like like I've had a split and like
21:02
Speaker 1: stones like.
21:03
Speaker 3: Watching the like in a different universe watch. Ye.
21:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always remember saying that and and that, and
21:11
Speaker 1: then we just thought this is what people every every
21:16
Speaker 1: day they're watching just and not not like this is
21:20
Speaker 1: this is what I wow, you know, But.
21:25
Speaker 3: Then it was never well never televised, was it.
21:27
Speaker 1: And then there's nothing on there. No, I don't remember.
21:31
Speaker 1: I can't remember there was even the slightest.
21:33
Speaker 3: No, there wasn't.
21:35
Speaker 2: I think it was even I think there was some
21:38
Speaker 2: BLM marches and I think, yeah, I think there was
21:41
Speaker 2: actually just a counteract it all.
21:42
Speaker 1: I think there was something about that.
21:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and gret Funberg. I think she did a
21:46
Speaker 2: couple just to deflect it a little bit.
21:49
Speaker 1: Well, okay, h all right, I'm pretty much done, pretty good.
21:58
Speaker 1: I should quite like it. I could leave there are good.
22:01
Speaker 2: My wife's gonna have a fit when she friends out
22:02
Speaker 2: look and he said, I get the painting, right. I
22:05
Speaker 2: didn't think that was an option.
22:06
Speaker 1: I didn't even tell you that then.
22:07
Speaker 3: No, well maybe he did. I just didn't. Probably be
22:11
Speaker 3: a nice print or something, I know.
22:13
Speaker 1: So, yeah, the plan is to have this show and
22:17
Speaker 1: get a few of the people who have been sitters,
22:20
Speaker 1: and it should be a good good night, depend on.
22:22
Speaker 3: You come, even though everyone knows.
22:31
Speaker 1: It's the funny thing, isn't it. Everyone's got their own
22:33
Speaker 1: sort of niche like, Yeah, there's there's a lot of
22:35
Speaker 1: people that I haven't people say years. But then I'm
22:38
Speaker 1: quite I suppose I did get to the point a
22:41
Speaker 1: little bit where I stopped going to fire down rabbit holes.
22:45
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know what had you because
22:47
Speaker 1: you've got the show so you sort of have to.
22:51
Speaker 1: He's strange on top of it a little bit.
22:53
Speaker 2: But a lot of things we get sent, a lot
22:54
Speaker 2: of things are just observations and does his deep research
22:57
Speaker 2: on certain subjects.
23:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do proper You do do proper research and stuff, don't.
23:03
Speaker 3: You, brother, more than me? Not really me, You're I
23:06
Speaker 3: don't know.
23:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe we don't know what.
23:10
Speaker 3: I don't know what my position is in the she
23:12
Speaker 3: fan a good looking on. Yeah, well, I definitely.
23:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we go to when we have we've done
23:21
Speaker 2: a few live shows now, and people if you had
23:23
Speaker 2: this this person and really honestly for the time, you know,
23:28
Speaker 2: I listen to a few things, like I said, when
23:29
Speaker 2: I'm in my shed painting me sculptures. But then how
23:33
Speaker 2: do you get I still get news like anyone else,
23:35
Speaker 2: But I don't watch the news.
23:35
Speaker 3: I don't know even go through the supermarket and I
23:38
Speaker 3: look at the front page of the newspapers just to
23:40
Speaker 3: see what was.
23:43
Speaker 1: That occasion?
23:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, what craps happening? Rather than that, it's just observation,
23:47
Speaker 3: I suppose it.
23:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think once you know, there's an agenda.
23:52
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
23:53
Speaker 1: I don't know how how healthy it is to really
23:56
Speaker 1: get to like obsessed with the details of it. I
23:59
Speaker 1: think people like it, you know, if that's what you
24:04
Speaker 1: find fun. Yeah, and you're just in that kind of
24:07
Speaker 1: like research mode and you're that kind of that's all good, yeah,
24:11
Speaker 1: you know, but I think for a lot of people
24:14
Speaker 1: it they've sort of almost done that. And don't you know,
24:18
Speaker 1: like you're said about the evangelical phase. Yeah, you know,
24:21
Speaker 1: maybe once you've gone through that.
24:23
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people who have in twenty twenty
24:25
Speaker 2: are still in or just getting over that phase.
24:27
Speaker 1: I think I have.
24:28
Speaker 3: I think you've got to believe me. I think so. Yeah, yeah,
24:32
Speaker 3: you know, that's why I like doing that.
24:34
Speaker 2: Mean, I think from from a growing point to twenty
24:38
Speaker 2: and we start doing our podcast, me and brother can
24:41
Speaker 2: just chat about it and then I can leave it
24:42
Speaker 2: if you like, to an extent. And then I listened
24:46
Speaker 2: to a few things in the shared I do listen
24:47
Speaker 2: to things quite large, but you know, different things. Nothing
24:52
Speaker 2: that's going to reconvince me of anything that's it, you know, Yeah,
24:57
Speaker 2: not in.
24:57
Speaker 3: A negative way.
24:58
Speaker 2: But I do listen to stuff about the you have
25:00
Speaker 2: damagecause I think that I think it's awful ignored that
25:03
Speaker 2: that set of communities. But it's still happening. It amazes
25:07
Speaker 2: me that it's not on the team, you know, it's
25:09
Speaker 2: not mentioned anywhere, and a lot of people still don't
25:14
Speaker 2: know it exists, you know, and there's these people are
25:16
Speaker 2: in a horrible state and they just ignored it. It's amazing.
25:22
Speaker 2: I've got a friend where I work and mentioned on
25:25
Speaker 2: a podcast. She anice person. She works for ASK but
25:30
Speaker 2: as administration kind of. But I remember when it was
25:33
Speaker 2: all happening and I was saying I wasn't going to
25:35
Speaker 2: get the tap and blow. And even now she's still
25:39
Speaker 2: well accept that there's anything and to what happened.
25:43
Speaker 3: Even though I said, you know, there's a rise in
25:45
Speaker 3: as you know, just through school from my daughter.
25:49
Speaker 2: Friend, you know, she knows your opinions. Yes, she knows
25:52
Speaker 2: my opinion. She even knows we do the podcasting. She
25:54
Speaker 2: didn't judge me. I don't really but I said yeah, yeah,
25:58
Speaker 2: And I said, have you noticed a massive rise in
26:01
Speaker 2: stomach cancers And she's like, yeah, but it's because they
26:04
Speaker 2: went diagnosed during convey blah blah. I said, yeah, twenty
26:08
Speaker 2: to thirty to four year olds not you know, that's
26:10
Speaker 2: what seven year olds used to get. Now it's thirty
26:13
Speaker 2: four year olds getting it that didn't used to happen. Oh,
26:16
Speaker 2: but there be all different aspects of going And you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
26:20
Speaker 2: but yeah I do. I do not say I like
26:23
Speaker 2: to watch these people's testimonies, but you do. I do
26:26
Speaker 2: listen to them because she needs to keep keep it
26:29
Speaker 2: really in your head that that stuff's existing.
26:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know what I mean?
26:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. Actually, I think I think
26:34
Speaker 1: it is important. Well, something like Bob Miran, you know,
26:36
Speaker 1: and he was just really passionate about that. Yeah, you know,
26:40
Speaker 1: and I think it is quite healthy to just sort
26:41
Speaker 1: of remind yourself and because it can keep you motivation.
26:45
Speaker 1: You know. He's obviously he's got all his cartoons and stuff.
26:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but we've spoke to Bob and he's
26:50
Speaker 2: a very placid, nice block. But his paintings are ferocious.
26:55
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Yeah, but brilliantly.
26:58
Speaker 2: I do a bit of doodling, not to Bob's or
27:00
Speaker 2: your standards, but some of the things that I don't know
27:03
Speaker 2: if I could do it. Yeah, but that's good because
27:07
Speaker 2: he's getting me out of his system and he's making
27:10
Speaker 2: a point of it.
27:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'stic.
27:12
Speaker 1: There's a real passion there if you jumped.
27:14
Speaker 2: Over the fence pre twenty twenty, you know, because I
27:17
Speaker 2: don't know about you, but when you were in your
27:18
Speaker 2: evangel when you.
27:19
Speaker 3: Were running onto people. Yeah, yeah, what you're going to
27:22
Speaker 3: do about what you're going to do about it?
27:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty twenty twelve twenty one was the first time
27:25
Speaker 2: when it actually helps you because it stops you from
27:28
Speaker 2: getting the Yeah, so that's what that's what I build
27:31
Speaker 2: up when you think otherwise, you know, that protected you
27:35
Speaker 2: from that. So it was the first time that was
27:37
Speaker 2: conspiracy nutjobs had some useful information.
27:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, although vaccines in general, yeah, yeah, no, I don't
27:44
Speaker 1: know if you.
27:45
Speaker 2: Yeah kids, no, well my first one was, but we
27:49
Speaker 2: weren't that many around then, but I said, yeah.
27:52
Speaker 3: You've got an older son.
27:55
Speaker 2: But then I've got a daughter who seven and she's
27:57
Speaker 2: had none.
27:59
Speaker 1: So that was it was pretty COVID and that has
28:02
Speaker 1: that definitely, Yeah, saved her probably health.
28:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:06
Speaker 1: So yeah, it wasn't necessarily the first time, but certainly
28:09
Speaker 1: the most.
28:10
Speaker 3: But that was difficult. That was hard.
28:12
Speaker 2: Even though I was adamant nothing, you know, she wasn't
28:15
Speaker 2: going to get jabbed by anything, it was still difficult
28:18
Speaker 2: going through the process of going to you know, if
28:20
Speaker 2: you've got your read book with your your jib jab history.
28:24
Speaker 1: Of about family. Were they did they put any pressure
28:26
Speaker 1: on you?
28:27
Speaker 2: No, not really, missus his mum a little bit and
28:31
Speaker 2: yeah you need to get or whatever.
28:36
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:37
Speaker 2: The thing is at the point, at the point when
28:39
Speaker 2: someone has decided that the child is not going to
28:41
Speaker 2: get anything, you would like to think they've looked into
28:44
Speaker 2: it enough or a lot at least at the ingredients,
28:47
Speaker 2: et cetera, you know, side effects, whatever, testimonies of people
28:51
Speaker 2: who was kids, because once you've seen I did watch
28:53
Speaker 2: a lot of those Vexed ones, you know, the ones
28:58
Speaker 2: where they're going around in the van and the Vaxed film.
29:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying them. Yeah, I'm not saying that actually,
29:04
Speaker 1: but yeah, just.
29:05
Speaker 2: Already I was already not going to get my daughter,
29:08
Speaker 2: but I still watched them just before she was born,
29:10
Speaker 2: just to because you're watching.
29:12
Speaker 1: Has been around that long?
29:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well the first Facts film came out,
29:16
Speaker 3: what twenty eighteen, I reckon seven.
29:20
Speaker 1: Our son's a little bit older, so yeah, it.
29:22
Speaker 3: Was then they started going around in a van. I
29:25
Speaker 3: forgot to name Polly. Is it the lad who does
29:27
Speaker 3: it and it's children's health defense are on rumble. They
29:30
Speaker 3: still do some good stuff.
29:33
Speaker 2: And they were driving around talking to people and they
29:36
Speaker 2: get them in the final around America.
29:38
Speaker 1: Who's I've not watched the whole yea.
29:41
Speaker 3: I watched loads of them just before was born, just
29:42
Speaker 3: to really sure, because.
29:43
Speaker 2: When you see a parent say, you know, they had
29:46
Speaker 2: the job and then they just they were gone. Yeah,
29:50
Speaker 2: once you see a parent say that, not a doctor
29:52
Speaker 2: or soon I'm trying to force you to do something,
29:54
Speaker 2: kind of changed your opinion when especially.
29:56
Speaker 3: You have a baby on the way. So yeah, anyone
30:00
Speaker 3: was having a better recommend.
30:02
Speaker 2: To watch them, But then you make your own decision
30:04
Speaker 2: and then you get like I said, my mother lasing.
30:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you need to he looked at it for
30:09
Speaker 3: a second of it. Let's be honest. People put more
30:12
Speaker 3: farted to buying a new car or do.
30:14
Speaker 1: I really do that? Yeah, And it's just that trust.
30:17
Speaker 2: You only have to look a little bit. You have
30:19
Speaker 2: to look very far around the history of jib jobs.
30:22
Speaker 1: But again that comes back that that just comes back
30:25
Speaker 1: to that what we said earlier about the you know,
30:28
Speaker 1: motivation with people. It's too too much, isn't it for
30:32
Speaker 1: them to like, like you say, it wouldn't take that
30:35
Speaker 1: much to actually research it, but even that little bit
30:40
Speaker 1: is emotionally it's too too, too hard to accept, to.
30:45
Speaker 3: Swallow in it.
30:47
Speaker 2: I was going to say, actually, before when you were
30:48
Speaker 2: talking about Andrew Bridging, I think he reacted because he
30:53
Speaker 2: had a young kid, didn't it When they were going
30:56
Speaker 2: when he really I think he said. I think I
30:58
Speaker 2: heard him say, you suspicious, But then when they were
31:01
Speaker 2: going after the children, because you've got a young kid.
31:03
Speaker 2: I can't remember why. Yeah, maybe why I got so
31:06
Speaker 2: vocal about it, which would make sense. Well, one thing
31:10
Speaker 2: I feel sorry for is people in you know, through
31:14
Speaker 2: that situation and if the if you've got husband and
31:18
Speaker 2: wi fig in bite, that's bad enough, but if they're
31:20
Speaker 2: both on board that you know, there was something spreading
31:23
Speaker 2: around the world. The poor kids must have been terrified.
31:28
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know the parents were terrifying their own.
31:30
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's that. I think that's I.
31:32
Speaker 3: Mean, what they did to that generation is horrific.
31:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
31:39
Speaker 3: Absolutely. If I work as a chef, you know, they're
31:44
Speaker 3: eighteen twenty.
31:45
Speaker 2: A lot of the kids who worked there, and you
31:47
Speaker 2: think that was their pinnacle years of socializing and you know,
31:52
Speaker 2: learning that social contact like fifteen sixteen, seventeen eighteen.
31:56
Speaker 3: What it must have done to them, I can't even imagine.
32:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there will be a lot of therapy, yeah,
32:07
Speaker 1: for a lot of people.
32:08
Speaker 3: But then what does a therapist do.
32:11
Speaker 1: The rapist? Well, yeah, the therapist the rapist.
32:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.
32:17
Speaker 1: Well I'm not necessarily into all that kind of linguistic stuff,
32:20
Speaker 1: but actually I think that was quite interesting. Yes, whether
32:23
Speaker 1: it's whether it's just a synchronoisy or whatever.
32:26
Speaker 2: I'm sure you can get a lot of good things
32:28
Speaker 2: out of forms of therapy or I mean basically talking
32:32
Speaker 2: to someone. But if you go to a therapist, psyche
32:35
Speaker 2: characterist and tell them that you don't feel right because
32:41
Speaker 2: the world is insane, isn't it?
32:43
Speaker 3: What is in the world? Is you going to tell
32:45
Speaker 3: him you.
32:45
Speaker 2: Don't feel right and he says, well, you've obviously got
32:47
Speaker 2: a problem, here's some pills and needs to get off
32:50
Speaker 2: your taps, and then you'll accept the world as it is.
32:56
Speaker 2: But if you say the world just seems insent to me,
32:59
Speaker 2: you are actually And if you don't think it seems insane,
33:03
Speaker 2: then you probably need you.
33:05
Speaker 1: Need to have another look. But even even if even
33:09
Speaker 1: without the element of the pharmaceutical nonsense that they that
33:15
Speaker 1: they get people on. Even just the whole sort of
33:19
Speaker 1: Freudian model, is you have problematic in it? Really because
33:25
Speaker 1: you could you could you could sort of go down
33:27
Speaker 1: these rabbit holes forever, Like at what point do you go? Actually,
33:33
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what happened in the past.
33:35
Speaker 3: It's going with ship.
33:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like we have to work out how
33:38
Speaker 1: I can heal, but without necessarily going over the same Yeah, Ultimately,
33:45
Speaker 1: I think life's pretty It is pretty simple, isn't it.
33:47
Speaker 1: You know, the trauma is and everyone's at trauma universe everyone.
33:54
Speaker 2: And again with the Freudian thing, why is he the
33:56
Speaker 2: only guy that any you know, you've got again they
33:58
Speaker 2: got that red and blue? Haven't you young or our
34:02
Speaker 2: young is a bit more spiritual? Well for all these years,
34:06
Speaker 2: why is this the n Why is it just too
34:09
Speaker 2: so that tells me it was probably yeah an old
34:13
Speaker 2: school say up, yeah, maybe you know the characters aren't
34:17
Speaker 2: there the characters, I mean, I'm not saying they weren't real.
34:20
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe they weren't, who knows, but they've definitely been
34:24
Speaker 3: used as characters to shape society.
34:26
Speaker 1: Then you get into the whole question of do we
34:29
Speaker 1: create these characters, which is sort of like I kind
34:32
Speaker 1: of like to look at it a bit more like that,
34:33
Speaker 1: like these archetypes that we're sort of put in there
34:36
Speaker 1: because we haven't evolved to the point where we don't
34:39
Speaker 1: need them. Maybe that kind of thing, do you know
34:41
Speaker 1: what I mean?
34:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you will, you do. You also have different characters.
34:44
Speaker 2: You have people who I think, I think we're all
34:47
Speaker 2: delivered a certain amount of trauma, no matter how nice
34:50
Speaker 2: you're bringing it up. And it starts to do with
34:51
Speaker 2: money either, and then it is a matter of when
34:54
Speaker 2: you leave it behind them go Obviously some people have
34:57
Speaker 2: horrific things up to it, but just on a general
35:01
Speaker 2: when you reach a point where you've got to go
35:02
Speaker 2: out a minute, and I've got my own relationships and children,
35:06
Speaker 2: I can't put it on them because when I was
35:09
Speaker 2: a kid, I need to sell some ship up.
35:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the for me in a way,
35:18
Speaker 1: that's the crux of it. That's more important than any
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Speaker 1: like any of the details about what might be going on,
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Speaker 1: you know, whether it's Tataria or the moonlanding. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's like, how do we put a stop to this
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Speaker 1: cycle of trauma? This ship, you know. And then and
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Speaker 1: the reason for me how it ties in with the
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Speaker 1: whole kind of conspiracy or truth approach is ultimately these
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Speaker 1: roads that we're looking at, and you know, they lead
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Speaker 1: to a distrust of authority essentially, don't they And that
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Speaker 1: is essential for us to grow spiritually, because if we're
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Speaker 1: if we trust in authority, then we're never going to grow,
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Speaker 1: We're never going to put an end to this cycle
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Speaker 1: of trauma. They are intrinsically linked. I just think one's
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Speaker 1: sometimes the importance is put on the external more than
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Speaker 1: the actual internal.
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Speaker 2: Since I was a kid, I've had weird synchronsis and
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Speaker 2: like I said, weird dreams that.
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Speaker 3: Come kind of half through.
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Speaker 2: They seem to ramp up in twenty twenty, and I
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Speaker 2: know a lot of people were saying the same thing.
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Speaker 2: I'm the guy who's not breaking up.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: So he came on and he said afterwards, after he
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Speaker 2: did his peace, and they're always trying to interrupt him.
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Speaker 3: No one agreed with them, he said, a lot of
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Speaker 3: them came up.
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Speaker 2: A few of them came up to him in the
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Speaker 2: bar and said, we agree with you, but we're just
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Speaker 2: about to leave college and if we If we put
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Speaker 2: us hand up and agree with her, we're going to
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Speaker 2: we're going to fail.