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#34 Daniel Reid on Plant-Spirit Medicine, Detoxing Emotions, and the Edge of Life · Salish Wolf

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  If you're not spontaneous, you miss the most beautiful and
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  If you just follow the program as you've been taught and
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  I think a lot is the difference between being open to the
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  spontaneity that you would have from the heart as opposed to the
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  set beliefs that you have in the head and people are just so
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  Into something that would be recognized as different coming
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  Dan Reed returns to Salish wolf with another incredible
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  interview during which we Traverse the intense highs and
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  occasional lows that have comprised the landscape of his
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  life. Following narrative trails that
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  heat Maps out and is to volume Memoir shots from the hip.
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  We explore some of his most impactful experiences data is
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  best known as a leading author of all things related to Chinese
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  culture, including taoism tea, herbal medicine, and Qi Gong, as
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  I indicated an episode 25, the Dow of Health sex.
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  And Longevity Dan's most popular book, greatly influence my life
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  and garnered Legions of fans. Readers will find his Memoir as
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  expertly crafted as his other books, but likely far more
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  entertaining as damn pulls no punches and telling the
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  mind-blowing history of his life.
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  We begin this episode with a look at the influence of drugs.
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  Namely plant medicine, such as Ayahuasca and opium on Dan
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  finding his Dow. We explore philosophies and
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  spiritual practices such as dog Chen, mediumship, and channeling
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  that have helped shape him. We discuss how he is used much
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  of his experiential knowledge. Alongside his wife to create a
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  detox program that they have offered in many countries with
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  Incredible success. The valets and his life have
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  been quite deep and damn does not shy away from sharing.
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  Some of the more harrowing periods, including three
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  near-death, experiences that rattled, and rocked him to
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  nearly the brink of no return. And the power of sound healing
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  that helped. Bring him back.
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  Dan is a Living testament to the magical and mighty Journeys like
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  can lead us on when we open to the spontaneity of the Heart,
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  his journey has been wild and exotic with, not even a trace of
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  the Monday. Please enjoy this episode of
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  Salish wolf with my friend, Daniel Reed.
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  Dan. Welcome back.
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  Thank you very much for having me back.
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  It's my pleasure. This is something that I've
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  really been looking forward to. As I said in our last interview.
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  I was going to get my hands on a copy of both volumes of your
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  Memoir which I did. And I was going to read those
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  while. Also enjoying your high
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  mountain, oolong tea, which probably read 90% of both
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  volumes while drinking They were long, take, which was an amazing
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  combination. Yes, indeed.
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  That's really good. And we're going to talk a lot
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  about the book. So I guess we'll kind of just
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  jump in your first volume. Both of them are called shots
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  from the hip. Your first volume is subtitled
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  sex drugs, and the Dow. Now, in our last episode, we did
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  talk a fair bit about sex and the Dow.
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  We didn't talk much about drugs. So let's start with drugs.
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  You've had such a wild. Crazy Life and very often
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  medicinal plant. Based substances were involved
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  in that Journey. So let's begin there.
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  Well, I came from, you know, the hippie generation the original
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  Way the first way as it was and my last two years University
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  were in UC Berkeley where I was just full on, we had everything,
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  riots tear gas canister, helicopters flying over the
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  campus and of course drugs, which at that time was more like
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  a Sacrament and it was sort of a principle that you own stay
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  with. Plant-based things and I tried
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  just about everything. when I didn't seem to make any
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  difference to my studies, I was basically a straight A student
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  right through, but I had the long hair and the beard and all
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  that stuff and Well, it was just a load of fun.
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  And it was also the way I discovered my calling, which was
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  China, you know, and isn't Mega LSD Journey.
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  We had one day when I forgot, I had to attend the lecture to get
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  into a course on China. And so, that was incredible
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  because essentially I, you know, the whole stage was floating up
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  into the air and the guy on on the stage look like a munchkin
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  of some sword. And but everything he said about
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  China and seem to be striking. Ward's in me and By the time he
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  came out but time was over. I just felt hope that I knew.
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  I knew all that and was just being reminded.
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  And so I had one year left. I switched my individual major
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  to East Asian studies jumped into every course, and I took
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  off for a year when around the world and Came back and learn
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  Chinese and then went to Taiwan. So the whole thing was launched.
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  My whole life was launched on an acid trip.
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  Well, the stories that unfold between the covers of these
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  books are truly mind-blowing. I can't tell you how much fun I
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  had reading. Both volumes, which are very
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  different, very different and we'll get into them.
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  But with the, it's interesting, because with the drug focus on
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  the first one are one of the Points for me, having known you
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  as a writer of Dallas studies and Chinese medicine nutrition
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  and healing. You give a very different lens
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  through which the reader can actually see these substances
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  because they've been vilified for a great part.
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  Many of them for the last several decades, and to hear
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  your stories about your experiences.
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  For example, a heavy trip on LSD, which basically catapulted
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  you into the life that you lead for the up until now.
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  It's an incredible incredible story that you told in the book
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  and it wasn't your only one of course.
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  And so you tell these the beautiful side of these
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  primarily. I know LSD is not truly a
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  natural drug, but a lot of what you've experimented with have
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  been plant based substances, you've used them therapeutically
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  to heal, the ski was originally from a purple fungus from the
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  right plant and you know later it was synthesized, but the
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  formula molecular formula is natural natural formula when you
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  show in these Pages how beneficial and therapeutically
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  substances are and then you also show in some cases, some of the
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  darker sides and these were abused.
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  It's absolutely true. But everything's like that food
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  is like that. People had Bewitched food and
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  you get obese and get diabetes. Only briefly about whether I
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  should write any of this and so people ask me.
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  Well, why would you want to show all that?
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  And well first of all, it's a memoir.
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  When am I going to do? But there's several points is
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  that like the kind of work I did with in health and writing
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  books? Basically showing that just
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  about anyone can do it. If they have that inspiration
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  and second ability is there is a very ancient Taoist tradition of
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  drugs. It's really kept been kept
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  secret, but the some of the stuff that I read about that
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  some of the old dollars used to determine ever using toxic.
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  Minerals Mercury Cinnabar to make these things sometimes and
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  often for not particularly good uses.
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  Power, martial arts, things like that.
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  So it's not entirely divorced from the thing.
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  I'm interested in which is the about.
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  So those in the title you got sex, drugs and the doubt.
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  It's all part of the package. But yeah, I also, you know, I
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  have a basic principle in writing, you must inform the
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  reader of things. They don't know about and you
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  must entertain the reader. To make it worth his while to
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  plow through your book and so inviting that particular book,
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  especially the first volume. Yeah.
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  I was trying to be informative, and in many ways on things,
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  people might not know about and to give them an entertaining
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  story, how you did that on both accounts?
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  And as you said, a daoist history, involves a lot of
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  shamanism. Yeah.
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  That's right. Right.
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  It's a resort. That's correct.
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  Yeah, and you also mentioned things such as Cinnabar and
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  Mercury or at you're also at the root of a lot of ayurvedic,
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  practices and Medicine, which is also very shamanistic based.
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  So it's certainly seems to be a common theme around the world.
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  Indigenous culture is experimented and I shouldn't
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  actually say experimented. They learn from the plant
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  medicines and they learned how to use them because in some He
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  says I don't actually think they did experiment.
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  I don't see how someone could experiment and come up with the
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  recipe for Ayahuasca. That is safe to drink without a
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  perfect example, you know, it just opens doors to Dimensions
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  that the ordinary human brains, just not rigged to do, but with
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  the plants are also have their own Consciousness and their own
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  Alchemy. And so they assist the human and
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  especially a shot. when he stands between Heaven and Earth
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  to download information, hmm, one of my most influential books
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  in my formative years, other than the one that I mentioned
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  that you wrote in our last episode, The dowel of Health sex
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  and Longevity was actually the cosmic serpent by Jeremy in our
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  be well, and that he speaks of Ayahuasca, and visions, and one
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  of the most fascinating things as he About DNA being on the
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  visible light spectrum. And I believe he says, it's
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  equivalent to seeing a candle flame from seven miles away.
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  And so, when we are in these Altered States Of Consciousness.
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  With the assistance of these plant based, medicines
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  potentially were actually able to see the DNA of that, which is
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  around us and to understand it at a different level.
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  Because really, when we talk about ayahuasca, as you write
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  about in volume 1, It's a combination of two different
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  plants in the way. It's prepared is very specific.
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  So it doesn't kill the person who takes it because otherwise
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  it would and it's something. There would have to be a lot of
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  experimentation to figure that out.
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  But perhaps, the shamans were actual, were actually able to
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  pick this up by understanding something deeper about the
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  plants. Yeah.
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  Well, the shamans of the Amazon. Don't didn't.
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  Don't say the experiment. They said that the plants.
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  Revealed themselves. I mean, you gotta understand
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  different plants in the jungle. How long would it take to come
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  up with a combination of two? That work like that?
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  Exactly. And the thing about DNA where
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  you mentioned considering, what DNA is it has to do with
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  intelligence and awareness. I mean it contains everything
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  and the Don Juan books in casteneda.
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  Yeah. I think the one thing that Don
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  Juan says more than anything else.
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  Book is it is awareness glows? Yes.
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  Okay. Now this has been proven.
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  Scientifically with technology electron microscopes, whatever
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  that you call these things that the DNA which is buried deep in
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  the nucleus of the human cell can be magnified and focused in
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  on and they see that it glows. It gives off luminosity.
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  There's nothing reflecting off. It is not coming from the Sun or
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  some light bulb. It's it actually glows and, of
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  course, induction teachings and Buddhism.
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  And I think in all spiritual spiritual Traditions, the idea
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  of awareness Spirit and the light self luminous light or 1
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  and DN, a has a quality. And it's also very interesting
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  that At among most indigenous cultures during hallucinations
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  or or usage of plant based medicines snakes.
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  Serpents are one of the most common visions and there's often
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  two of them coiled together, connecting Earth to Heaven,
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  which is the symbol of DNA. The toilet in the Bible, in the
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  Bible. The ski gives knowledge to Eve.
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  The apple right? I mean like an Apple computer ha
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  ha ha. Oh look while we're on the topic
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  of Ayahuasca. Can you share some of your
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  experience with access? What an incredible experience
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  you did have? Especially your first one?
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  Yes, especially the first one, I think probably for almost
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  everyone. That's the first one.
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  I had a very good friend. He's still my friend in Byron
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  Bay, who? Facilitates those, you know,
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  he's been trained in Peru. the three or four years and so, he
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  came to my tea table and Byron my house there.
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  We got to know each other. There was a sort of an immediate
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  recognition between us. So as he left, he said, well, if
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  you ever would like to try this medicine, he always refers to it
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  as medicine. I'd be happy to share a Sacred
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  Space with you. And so, about a week later.
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  I sent him an invitation. I mean, email and to accept his
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  invitation. And so he came over and We had
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  an amazing night. There's a chapter in mice, in
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  the second body, my Memoir about it.
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  And yeah, the serpent manifested right away.
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  It was coiled around. The ceiling all night, and
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  purple, and green scales. And it just was like this,
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  keeping. It wasn't threatening in any
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  way. I was just keeping watch.
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  My wife JoJo. She this is the three of us.
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  Besides him that me. And Joe, Joe, and a friend of
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  mine was our first time. And ladies first, so he offered
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  her her cop and was about to pour mine.
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  And she said, give me another shot tries to me, and I don't
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  think anyone has ever done that. So he turned around.
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  I okay and you give her another shot.
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  So she was way out there. But I know that at one point she
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  just disappeared from room and she had gone into the bedroom.
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  And she what she experienced was disintegration of her body of
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  form. Like suddenly.
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  She couldn't see her feet. There.
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  It is gone. And there was then their legs,
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  and she was starting to wonder what's going on and she looked
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  in the mirror and all there was was this is wavy light and for
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  she got a bit scared, I think and somewhere.
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  My god, dude is banished. So she came back into the room
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  with the energy from the rest of us there and join Circle again,
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  so I think that that medicine can take you to pretty far along
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  the scale between form and just pure light.
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  The other thing I learned about that particular medicine.
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  Is that the essential Energy in which it functions and works.
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  Best is sound. And of course, particularly
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  music. Now, the shamans have Particular
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  songs that they seem to sort of invite the spirit of the Goddess
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  associated with Ayahuasca, into the circle, but my friend was
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  just a really good musician. So he played guitar and sang.
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  My other friend, who is there. He's one of the best.
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  Did you do players in the world and he got a download that
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  night. I later called it, the dream
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  drone, but he just picked it up. His his to above and out came
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  this in most amazing vibration and sound and it just spoke to
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  us. So, I don't know how much I can
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  say. Hey, in this interview about how
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  Ayahuasca works and what it can do and or even in my book, but
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  it's, it's a really remarkable thing.
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  Well, you can say as much as you want during this interview and
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  don't hold back for for that sake, but well, I think it's
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  something that maybe almost everyone can benefit from at
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  least once. Yeah, but it has to be done in
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  the proper setting, and with someone guiding it who has that
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  experience of dealing with, with that Dimension because things
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  can get, you know, intense for people sometimes and then they
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  need it. I mean, I know applications
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  were. People were just messing around
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  with her in by Island fact and one guy just walk into a pond.
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  And drown but oh man, I think he was invited.
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  Buy some darker energy or entities and told that he could
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  breathe underwater and would find some magnificent Kingdom
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  down there. You just whatever they found
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  him. The next morning, so and he had
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  just been taking it on his own. He considered himself qualified.
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  He wasn't so it can, it can It's a living world.
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  The dimension you go into is inhabited by entities that are
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  not of the sort we are and that it has to be a certain interface
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  between them. And I think that's basically
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  what the shaman or the facilitator does and
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  particularly with music. Yeah, well and it is.
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  I've found so important not just to have someone who's
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  experienced and can hold that space but also someone who can
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  be trusted or who each person who's involved in the ceremony
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  can trust. And I actually had an experience
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  in a two-night ceremony were. And the first night, the shaman
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  said something that I really Did not resonate with very strongly.
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  And when I approached him about it, the next day there was A
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  reluctance from him to even really acknowledged that he had
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  said it and ultimately after trying to talk through it for a
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  while. I just said, look, I'm I'm not
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  going to take part in the ceremony tonight because at that
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  point in time he had lost my trust in.
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  There was no way I was going to go into that Sacred Space with
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  him as the guide that I was to follow along.
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  Maybe it wasn't him. Who said it.
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  Something speaking through him, while he was before we had the
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  medicine. So it was him.
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  I almost I almost I almost left the first night, but we are
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  literally moments away from drinking.
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  So I was like, all right. I'm just gonna I'm going to let
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  that one pass. But ultimately, I couldn't let
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  it past two nights in a row. Have you did you try it
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  subsequently? Yeah, I have.
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  Yeah. Yeah, and I've always had a very
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  good experience with it. And as you said and I agree with
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  you, the first one was probably or I don't remember what if it
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  was the first night, but the first two back-to-back nights,
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  were certainly the most cathartic and my experience.
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  Yeah, it's a learning experience for sure.
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  Has a lot to offer. I think one of the most
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  remarkable things about it is it leaves, No Doubt?
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  That there are many parallel realities.
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  What we take for a reality and especially today.
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  I mean, everyone's looking at the same view of the world
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  through their, their phones and television and billboards and
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  knowing a slows down enough to think about these things.
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  So Ayahuasca, just shows you that it's just it's just a hair
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  breath away. And there's a whole nother
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  world. They're not.
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  Again, I like to refer to custom-made his books because
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  while he's been in some people have called him a fraud and no,
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  none of these things ever really happened.
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  It doesn't matter because just the whole system of thought that
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  he has in his books, his teacher down line refers to something,
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  called the assemblage point. It's a part of your, your
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  spirit, your a basic awareness, which wherever you happen to
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  have incarnated in the world. You have to tune into it just
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  like a radio or television. We all have an assemblage point
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  and we tune into this exact same channel when we're born.
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  And then that channel is programmed by education by
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  parents by growing up. So something I got a while Scott
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  and peyote things like that LSD. They just shift the assemblage
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  point. So what then manifests on the
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  screen of your Consciousness is a different program, different
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  world. And just to have that
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  realization, I think is probably the greatest Thing you learned
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  from taking stuff like this. Hmm.
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  And Ayahuasca, certainly gaining a lot of popularity as a
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  therapeutic tool but sticking with the topic of drugs one that
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  you write about extensively is not.
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  So commonly used or accepted and that's opium.
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  Can you talk a bit about your experience with opium?
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  Yeah. Well, first of all you're wrong
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  about that. Is this using the wrong form?
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  It's used as heroin. Morphine those, this fractional
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  extracts. And then of course, the final
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  opiates which are horrible. They're like, you know, they're
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  50 to 100 times more potent and addictive and it is fragmented,
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  but real opium from the poppy again for me.
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  This was just another step into I know, I mean, everybody knows
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  about China in the Opium days in the long pipe and little land
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  and I was just always curious about it.
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  Well, I had my first experience in Bombay.
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  It's written the very first chapter, you know, it was it was
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  legal. We taxi driver, took us for a
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  night on the town to goes to an opium den.
• 26:19
  Licensed run by an old Chinese guy.
• 26:23
  I mean, it was classic here, a long, white beard and long white
• 26:27
  hair. He was very thin. so for me, I
• 26:32
  thought, wow, this is This is great.
• 26:36
  This is a chance to try this stuff.
• 26:38
  And in the original way. I mean, for many things about
• 26:41
  hoping, people will fill you, never you never take it orally.
• 26:47
  And that's why these pharmo hints are so dangerous.
• 26:49
  Because they completely mess you up.
• 26:52
  They ruin your digestive system, your bowel your liver, your
• 26:57
  digestive organs oldest freezer. So they had found a way.
• 27:03
  And this is again, there is no real record of who came up with
• 27:08
  this, in China was about to speak for me years ago.
• 27:12
  That was always the problem with opium, you know, like de Quincey
• 27:16
  and Still in England, back there, when the poets were all
• 27:19
  doing it. They were all eating a lot in
• 27:21
  it, which is just pure opium mixed with some Port sherry wine
• 27:26
  or something, but it just causes a lot of problems.
• 27:30
  So they had developed a tool a pipe, which is not a smoking
• 27:35
  pipe, but it's a vaporizer. So a very different thing and so
• 27:41
  this was the way, the Chinese did it and it's something that
• 27:46
  very few people do anymore. It's not many places.
• 27:49
  You can't. Now there's hardly any place you
• 27:51
  can do it, but When I came to Thailand.
• 27:57
  I had some writer friends and photographers who kept talking
• 28:01
  about this place allows run by an old Chinese guy that started
• 28:07
  thinking. Well, it's like pissing Bombay.
• 28:08
  So once I went there with them and yeah, sure enough there was,
• 28:12
  and it was a licensed and he had a license hanging right over the
• 28:15
  wall. And there were some people,
• 28:18
  there about a third of them were foreigners.
• 28:20
  Most of them writers and photographers on assignment.
• 28:24
  And so I had the opportunity then, Through those years that I
• 28:28
  was living in Chiang Mai to fly over there and that get that old
• 28:33
  guy took a liking to me, I guess because I speak Chinese.
• 28:37
  We were able to get to know each other and you taught me just
• 28:40
  about everything there was to know about it.
• 28:43
  And while it's addictive for sure, and I had my experience
• 28:50
  with that, I overdoing it. It actually doesn't.
• 28:56
  Do any harm to the body? It doesn't even hurt your lungs
• 29:00
  because it's a vapor. It's not a it's not a burnt
• 29:04
  substance. So there you go.
• 29:08
  That is something that's really not knowing any more.
• 29:11
  Yeah. I mean everybody knows what
• 29:12
  Oxycontin. I don't know any people, it's a
• 29:18
  plague in the West. but it's because, you know, Opiates or
• 29:26
  opioids, or whatever you want to call it, have an affinity for
• 29:30
  the human brain. It absolutely fits in the
• 29:33
  certain reset. We have opiate receptors, but
• 29:36
  they're not designed for those chemically altered versions of
• 29:40
  it. And you got to realize also that
• 29:43
  they're all just making chemically, altered versions of
• 29:48
  morphine. Which is the addictive?
• 29:53
  Alkaloid, but obviously contains three dozen alkaloids of which
• 29:59
  morphine is only constitutes eight or nine percent and all
• 30:02
  the others are not addictive, mildly.
• 30:07
  And is Coating in there. But so little bit it can't be
• 30:10
  addictive, but what I'm saying, is that like all plants
• 30:14
  including ayahuasca. Accenture and this is a
• 30:19
  principle in Chinese medicine to traditional Chinese medicine.
• 30:22
  They all work in concert. You can't just take one thing
• 30:25
  out. And then alter it somehow with
• 30:30
  something else, especially with chemicals and then expect that
• 30:33
  to work in a positive way. Medicinally.
• 30:37
  It has to be the full plant with all its constituents in there.
• 30:42
  Right, and of course, that is the entire foundation of the
• 30:45
  pharmaceutical industry, to take out a specific component to
• 30:50
  isolate it to synthesize it in the laboratory to enhance the
• 30:55
  effects. And then to give that to
• 30:59
  patients and yes, they're going to get a pretty standard.
• 31:04
  One thing you forgot to add and patented patented.
• 31:08
  Oh, yes. Yes.
• 31:09
  After to make money. They got a patented to patent
• 31:12
  it. They got to do it.
• 31:14
  They got to come up with some chemical it quite a lot of those
• 31:17
  chemicals are byproducts of the petroleum industry like coal tar
• 31:22
  and but they fiddle around with it and make a new chemical that
• 31:25
  no one has made before and then they use that.
• 31:29
  Along with something. They've taken from a plan or
• 31:32
  synthesized, copying a plan, but now they can patent it.
• 31:36
  All right. It's mine.
• 31:37
  I can sell it for whatever I want to and then they try to use
• 31:42
  it for various things like pain killers.
• 31:46
  Hmm, you know, opium will pull pain very much but it's actually
• 31:50
  very cheap and easy to make to grow up.
• 31:52
  Yeah, but Oxycontin and all those drugs are, but they're
• 31:57
  very expensive and they They're ruinous one.
• 32:02
  Of course. The risks are Legend, because
• 32:07
  when you're taking those Pharmaceuticals, you are not, as
• 32:10
  you said, getting this synergistic benefits of all the
• 32:14
  other alkaloids and components that are in the original plant.
• 32:17
  And in some cases, not even just in one plant, but in Chinese
• 32:21
  medicine as that are in maybe six or eight different plants
• 32:25
  that are part of that formula that someone may take.
• 32:28
  And so to take one One small components is certainly not.
• 32:36
  The holistic approach to using the plant to treat health.
• 32:41
  No, not at all what kinds of side effects, which are unknown.
• 32:46
  Because using chemicals with, for which the brain doesn't have
• 32:49
  any real receptors. So it basically, they work by
• 32:52
  just, you know, hammering down certain parts of your system to
• 32:57
  eliminate symptoms, but there's no way they can work in a chord
• 33:02
  with human biochemistry or brain chemistry.
• 33:05
  In this case, then let's talk a bit more about opium, what are?
• 33:09
  And I don't want to glorify it. But what are some of the health
• 33:13
  benefits that you have experience from it and continue
• 33:17
  to see with your research into see now?
• 33:25
  Okay, I'm talking about using it the way, the Chinese did, but
• 33:30
  inhaling vapours vapor and taking shots of vapor from the
• 33:35
  hip, hence, the name of your are talking about.
• 33:38
  That's the traditional way of taking opium.
• 33:41
  I think the first thing it does is it hasn't Stimulating effect
• 33:47
  on cognition is that you have all kinds of ideas, come to mind
• 33:52
  conversation with the guy people smoking with.
• 33:55
  You just it's incredible where it goes, calming completely
• 34:03
  eliminate stress, and stress is not good for you.
• 34:06
  In fact, many people say the most dangerous can sit condition
• 34:10
  of all is stress, especially chronic stress.
• 34:15
  So I think I've known people who came to be depression,
• 34:22
  depressive, have depression who for them.
• 34:25
  Smoking a few parts of opium. Is this like wow, I haven't felt
• 34:30
  this calm and complete stress-free since I can remember
• 34:36
  and of course, those are the people that are Vulnerable to
• 34:42
  addiction. But I mean a lot of things are
• 34:46
  addictive. Tobacco is addictive, alcohol is
• 34:49
  addictive coffees addictive. So again, it's a matter of how
• 34:52
  you use it. If you use it properly it's not
• 34:55
  going to do you much harm. So okay, the nervous system is
• 35:02
  what your brain and your nervous system is what He's affected.
• 35:07
  Most. I'm assuming that you're doing
• 35:10
  it the Chinese way inhaling paper because I said it a basic
• 35:13
  principle of all of opium. And opiates.
• 35:17
  Is you just don't you don't consume them orally because then
• 35:21
  lots of problems happen. So it's been associated with
• 35:29
  creativity. In China, you know, poets
• 35:34
  painters writers tended to use it because it wasn't available
• 35:40
  and it was legal. There.
• 35:41
  Wasn't any issue with it wasn't even morally look down upon in
• 35:47
  the west. You have this image of you know,
• 35:50
  the emaciated Rickshaw driver lying on the sidewalk.
• 35:55
  Smoking opium. That's what?
• 35:58
  the image they want to create is like the guy in the bar, h, e
• 36:02
  drinking Ripple wine and drooling on his chest and
• 36:09
  haven't been eating properly, but that doesn't describe the
• 36:13
  wine connoisseur and in China, then those days the night, the
• 36:18
  19th century, it was Yeah, it was more or less a part of the
• 36:24
  culture. The cognitive t, one writer
• 36:29
  described opium as T's alter ego.
• 36:37
  They are some reason they always been together even in that place
• 36:42
  in Bombay. They first thing to do is self
• 36:44
  brought us a lot of Chinese tea. The place and allows always a
• 36:51
  part of good Chinese tea. I don't know, partly, maybe just
• 36:57
  to have something to drink while you're inhaling these papers,
• 37:01
  but I think there must be some sort of synergy between the
• 37:05
  effects because I've never been in any place where they smoke
• 37:10
  Opium but they don't have Chinese steamed.
• 37:12
  The first benefit, you mentioned was cognition, cognition
• 37:15
  cognitive cognitive functions and create and creative.
• 37:20
  Okay. Here's the thing.
• 37:23
  I forgot who I think it was Jean cocteau.
• 37:29
  Who was the lifetime audience more and Incredibly, incredibly
• 37:33
  creative person. What it does is through its
• 37:37
  effects. I mean, you got 36 alkaloids,
• 37:39
  all of the neural active and none of us have our brains
• 37:43
  working in perfect order. No one living in society does.
• 37:49
  Maybe if you live in a cave and is Himalayas, you do.
• 37:52
  But there's always something wrong and especially today with
• 37:56
  EMF radiation and noise and you know, stress, the pandemic,
• 38:04
  whatever. It through.
• 38:08
  It's very complex effects on brain chemistry.
• 38:13
  It enables a creative person to bring Creative Energy.
• 38:19
  Into form. And what good is creative
• 38:23
  inspiration? If it can't be brought in to
• 38:27
  form, you might have a good musician has a great idea for a
• 38:30
  song which keeps going through his head but you just can't get
• 38:34
  that music down on his instrument a writer who has
• 38:38
  great ideas. Can't write a poet who was
• 38:42
  inspired by a sunset or by a relationship with someone or by
• 38:46
  a situation, but it just the words just don't come out.
• 38:49
  Well, Opium used in that way. As a Pure Vapor containing the
• 38:57
  whole spectrum of all the alkaloids, all of which are
• 39:00
  narrow actives through, for unknown reasons.
• 39:03
  It's just the nature of that substance enables the brain to
• 39:07
  start turning, and turning, and to put that creative energy into
• 39:12
  a specific form. So it can be enjoyed and
• 39:15
  understood by others. I'd say that's the main thing
• 39:20
  about it and I'd say that's the main thing people notice about
• 39:23
  it. And along that vein you write
• 39:26
  about completing not just completing writing, three
• 39:32
  separate books simultaneously for.
• 39:38
  Yeah, I think as a test run because traditional Chinese
• 39:44
  doctor, this guy was in. Who had gone to see about?
• 39:49
  Well, I wasn't sleeping well and other things and had one that
• 39:54
  was a bit down at that time. He's a guy who finally ended up
• 39:59
  telling me about this place and and about opium because I didn't
• 40:02
  know anything about it. I tried it once bomb, baby.
• 40:08
  Yeah, he's the one who mentioned that.
• 40:13
  For the first time. That's how I understood, how it
• 40:17
  worked. And how are you able to
• 40:21
  compartmentalize four different books at the same time?
• 40:26
  Okay. So this is what happened is, you
• 40:28
  told me it was in a roundabout way.
• 40:31
  He was toying with the idea of whether he should tell me
• 40:33
  anything, but I speak Chinese, and I was speaking Chinese with
• 40:38
  him. And I kept saying he kept
• 40:40
  suggesting patent pill medicines Chinese medicine and formulas
• 40:46
  and I tried them all. When I was in Taiwan, is it?
• 40:49
  No, I know that one that doesn't work very well about that.
• 40:51
  So finally, he said, okay, I think you told me.
• 40:56
  Opium. And he had told me his story of
• 40:59
  his father, who was smoked opium.
• 41:02
  Back in China, in the early 20th century who was a traditional
• 41:09
  Chinese. He's doctor and writer and he
• 41:11
  had completed something like a three-volume Encyclopedia of.
• 41:19
  Some branch of traditional Chinese herbal medicine in one
• 41:23
  year doing that. He says early helps with
• 41:27
  creative ideas with writing in particular.
• 41:33
  And I know it always stuck in my mind.
• 41:35
  So at one point, I suddenly got all these assignments
• 41:40
  coalescing, right into one time. Like they all came in in the
• 41:45
  same two-month period and I was kind of mucking around with
• 41:49
  other things, and I was behind schedule and I've never missed a
• 41:53
  deadline. You know, that's why Publishers
• 41:59
  like my work and because I'm always deliver everything on
• 42:02
  time and it's got to be good. It's never been.
• 42:04
  I've never had a manuscript rejected.
• 42:07
  So I said, what the hell am I going to do?
• 42:09
  And then I remembered that and said, well, let's put that to
• 42:12
  the road test. So I went to this place in Laos.
• 42:18
  And got a room in a Guesthouse go.
• 42:21
  Joe came with me. I had all my papers and
• 42:25
  materials. And went to work and I went
• 42:28
  there in the morning really around 8:30 9:00 and just want a
• 42:35
  few pipes. And then went back to my room
• 42:37
  and just work. I did the seven days a week.
• 42:43
  And yeah, when I was done for the day, I went back and treated
• 42:48
  myself to a few more. As a reward.
• 42:52
  And of course, there was always one or two interesting people in
• 42:55
  there. So we had good conversations.
• 42:57
  And so whole thing that along like that, I think it was eight
• 43:00
  months. And I spent there seven or eight
• 43:06
  months now, I got them all done. That's incredible.
• 43:11
  Yeah, it isn't. But you can't do that every time
• 43:15
  you want to write a book. No, not today.
• 43:18
  Anyway, and then, of course, that's the very young side of
• 43:23
  your experience. Because then you also dovetailed
• 43:25
  from that into a very Yen or dark experience from the.
• 43:30
  Yeah. I was well, because it's been an
• 43:35
  extended period of time of eight months so you do.
• 43:39
  It. And it's rated to it.
• 43:44
  And just as I was a, I was planning to go there and to some
• 43:48
  Island and Southern Thailand to kind of dry out. but, Just the
• 43:56
  day before we left these three guys came up from Bangkok.
• 44:00
  They were old friends of mine. All of them were connoisseurs.
• 44:04
  One was a chef one. Was a lotion Prince.
• 44:09
  Of the last king house. And one was a writer.
• 44:18
  So anyway, they showed up and so I said, no, I'm not going to
• 44:22
  leave now. I want to stay.
• 44:24
  They were going to go to Paris week later.
• 44:27
  So I stayed next week and I just I just got into it over, did it?
• 44:34
  And on my last day, you know, I really overdid.
• 44:38
  I think that's most 38 pipes or something.
• 44:41
  And then I just went South in to a guest house on a beach
• 44:46
  somewhere and it was rough. It was very rough.
• 44:51
  That's right. That's putting it.
• 44:53
  Mildly being rough. Yeah, well that was yeah, I had
• 44:59
  an out-of-body experience there, which is described in the book.
• 45:04
  That was a one-off but I did learn a little bit spank me.
• 45:08
  Yeah. So this was as you describe in
• 45:11
  your book or one of remarkably, three near-death experiences
• 45:17
  that you've had. And what I find is fitting or
• 45:23
  ironic or interesting. That on the final near-death
• 45:28
  experience. You actually in a way brought
• 45:32
  opium back into your healing. Because the well in the
• 45:39
  hospital, they wanted to give you heavy painkillers and then
• 45:44
  you have your cottage. Yeah, that's this stuff is.
• 45:57
  It's killed more people than anything else. 100% synthetic.
• 46:03
  Based on the morphine molecule 3.
• 46:06
  Mg will kill you. And so that's what was in the
• 46:10
  drip. You know, you just push this
• 46:13
  button, you can get a little going good.
• 46:16
  I just freaked and I totally got no way actually tried to pull
• 46:21
  the drip out of my arm and they stopped me.
• 46:23
  Not me. Well, I just come out of
• 46:25
  surgery. I mean, I was a very aggressive
• 46:30
  surgery. Yeah, it was from three inches
• 46:33
  below my knee all the way up to the sternum 18-inch just stapled
• 46:38
  together. So, okay, so he said, I needed
• 46:42
  to have some form of the painkiller and I said, just give
• 46:45
  me Traditional morphine is what I said because I obviously
• 46:50
  they're not going to give you opiate.
• 46:52
  Yeah, no one no one uses opium anymore.
• 46:57
  So the guy looked at me and I gave him a long lecture on what
• 47:02
  fentanyl is. It seems thought.
• 47:03
  Geez, how do you know all that? I didn't even know that and then
• 47:08
  he agreed to do that. So Morphine being the painkiller
• 47:13
  alkaloid and you know traditional morphine is nothing
• 47:17
  but a purified extract of opium. It's nothing.
• 47:21
  They don't add anything to it. There's no chemical fiddling
• 47:25
  with it. Yeah, so not nearly as balanced
• 47:29
  and healthy. As taking shots from the hip,
• 47:31
  with pure opium. But at least you were given a
• 47:35
  quote-unquote drug. That is safer and certainly less
• 47:39
  harmful than fentanyl or other Alternatives.
• 47:42
  Like, sugary of sugarcane juice is really good for you.
• 47:47
  It's got all kinds of nutrients and different things.
• 47:50
  Sugar is not particularly good for you, but it doesn't job and
• 47:55
  sweetener and it's been a couple From sugarcane.
• 47:59
  Yeah, so yeah, I didn't want to have the fentanyl so and my
• 48:04
  sainted to their credit. They were accommodated me.
• 48:09
  Yeah, I asked him. Why don't you?
• 48:14
  Just get a few Opia. I mean, I'm sorry, more freedom
• 48:19
  with Works blocks. The pain in the spinal cord.
• 48:22
  It doesn't ever get to the brain.
• 48:25
  It's not passing. It is it, it was Pat?
• 48:28
  Yeah, it was a whole business thing.
• 48:29
  They didn't really know why the directions that come down.
• 48:32
  I said, don't you ever use morphine anymore?
• 48:35
  And you know what, the only two places that they use morphine.
• 48:38
  Now. Ambulances.
• 48:42
  Okay, because someone got a gunshot wound, anyone something
• 48:45
  that really works. And terminal, cancer patients.
• 48:51
  Now fentanyl was better. You think they give that to
• 48:56
  terminal but it's not because you know, it just that's tough
• 49:00
  to strexy witness. Whereas morphine just deals with
• 49:03
  the pain without doing anything else to you that you don't want
• 49:07
  done. And of course the whole opioid
• 49:11
  so-called crisis that were experiencing from fentanyl
• 49:15
  overdose opioid name from the very safe opium that Is yeah,
• 49:23
  vilified basically? Yes as the cause of these
• 49:26
  problems, you know, you know, what's really driving the opioid
• 49:31
  crisis. First of all, these opiates like
• 49:34
  Oxycontin intentional and all that.
• 49:37
  They do work on those receptors in the brain and okay, they're
• 49:43
  painkillers, but most of the people who overdose are not in
• 49:48
  pain. That's not the problem.
• 49:53
  It's because it is a very effective remedy for depression
• 50:00
  of which there are many people. Today depressive and you know
• 50:06
  the way it happens on the next talk to a few people.
• 50:09
  Is that they don't know anything about opiates or opium or
• 50:13
  morphine or heroin is a people who would never take the stuff.
• 50:17
  They used to stuff. Used to be very carefully kept
• 50:20
  under control, but with women it from opiates came out.
• 50:27
  The doctors started. Prescribing him for anything.
• 50:29
  You got a backache. You know, you broke your finger.
• 50:34
  You got a toothache. Yeah, Oxycontin.
• 50:36
  And many of these people are people who are also taking
• 50:39
  antidepressants. Prozac, or whatever.
• 50:45
  And so during the month of two, when they were getting there.
• 50:51
  Pharmaceutical opiate prescription for pain, the pain
• 50:56
  went away, and then the doctors didn't give them any more and
• 51:00
  they just suddenly crash, you know, they're still taking an
• 51:05
  antidepressant, but what they've learned what their brain is
• 51:07
  learned, is that the antidepressant just don't work.
• 51:12
  And so they want more of that thing that made them feel good.
• 51:19
  Mentally and I'm convinced just from what I've been seeing, the
• 51:25
  research I've done on it so far. Is that the main thing that's
• 51:28
  driving? It is that people are
• 51:29
  discovering that opiates, various sorts are, are effective
• 51:35
  remedies for severe depression. And so the issue is then well,
• 51:42
  why not use opium? Oh, it's no good.
• 51:47
  It's addictive. Well, what about Oxycontin?
• 51:50
  What about fentanyl? This stuff is 100 times more
• 51:53
  addictive. If you go back and just use the
• 51:57
  original plant medicine. It's going to be even more
• 52:04
  effective than the jiggled chemical Farm of form of it and
• 52:09
  less dangerous. But there's no money to be made.
• 52:14
  No, and, of course, that's the threat of holistic medicines,
• 52:16
  all over the world, to the pharmaceutical industry.
• 52:21
  It's not something you typically, because there are
• 52:30
  treatments that work, but this, you know, they don't even let
• 52:34
  them use them. They people go in the hospital
• 52:36
  and it's covid. Well, we don't have anything for
• 52:38
  you. There are treatments that work.
• 52:39
  There aren't there, not only being Suppress their being
• 52:42
  heavily heavily censored as well.
• 52:44
  So most people don't know about them.
• 52:46
  That's right. And then everyone's being told.
• 52:49
  There's only one solution. You better take one of these
• 52:52
  vaccines which aren't really vaccines, even the genetic
• 52:57
  therapy and it's no, I don't see that.
• 53:01
  It's really making a dent in the crisis at all.
• 53:05
  Yeah, then let's go back to I think it was the Final.
• 53:12
  Hopefully it's your final near-death experience.
• 53:15
  And not only did the morphine help you heal, but I believe
• 53:21
  this was also when you experienced the dream drone
• 53:25
  again and the didgeridoo is this the case where that was also
• 53:30
  instrumental in your healing going back to your ayahuasca,
• 53:34
  ceremony with your didgeridoo, friend, who downloaded the
• 53:38
  dreams drone that night. It didn't have anything to do
• 53:41
  with that. Wasc at that point.
• 53:44
  It's just that. I when I came out of the
• 53:46
  hospital, why was I mean, I couldn't even walk and my legs
• 53:53
  are all swollen up, actually getting blood clots.
• 54:00
  And of course, since they had me on morphine injections, during
• 54:07
  my stay in the hospital. I was also going through
• 54:10
  withdrawal from the morphine. It wasn't it really serious one,
• 54:15
  but my stage then it was really bad.
• 54:22
  Didn't feel good at all and it could have been, you know.
• 54:27
  I just couldn't tolerate it. So anyway, I didn't know what to
• 54:30
  do. So I called my friend who had
• 54:35
  been in that. Ayahuasca ceremony.
• 54:37
  His name is Sai when he came up with three or four of his
• 54:42
  digital Rouge from use for different parts of the body.
• 54:46
  And and this that first time, you know, you treated me for
• 54:51
  about 45 minutes and it just it just went through me and it just
• 54:58
  ironed out all the wrinkles. My energy system and my nervous
• 55:02
  system. Whatever was bothering me with
• 55:04
  just melted away. and so, you know, I was really not in good
• 55:14
  shape because I had I wanted to get out of the hospital early
• 55:17
  because I couldn't stand the food and all the windows were
• 55:20
  sealed. And so there was no no fresh
• 55:23
  air. And so I probably left a lot
• 55:26
  earlier than I should have any case he came up every day for
• 55:32
  three weeks. And treated me with his which
• 55:37
  you know, I called it the dream drawing.
• 55:39
  It's a completely different way of playing the.
• 55:41
  Did you hear? It's not the traditional style.
• 55:44
  It's just like a long drawn into which the person playing puts
• 55:51
  different vibrations and combinations of sounds and It's
• 55:59
  just pure vibration. I was lying down and he was
• 56:03
  behind me with the mouth of the digit 0, right?
• 56:07
  Over the top of my head and it just ran through my whole
• 56:09
  system. And yeah, it made a huge
• 56:12
  difference it when I went to see my surgeon again just so she
• 56:16
  could check up on my No, I was healing up.
• 56:20
  She was amazed. You said what you're thinking.
• 56:24
  I really quick. You can, you can walk without a
• 56:27
  cane, you know, and all that. So I told her about it.
• 56:32
  I think she thought maybe I was joking at first, but Then she
• 56:37
  did listen carefully and she said, well, whatever you're
• 56:41
  doing. Just keep doing it.
• 56:44
  And so, yeah, that was, that's a that's a form of sound healing.
• 56:51
  Your vibration and in that sense of links with Ayahuasca, because
• 56:54
  that is the way I was for Works basically to sound vibration and
• 56:59
  sound. Healing is probably potentially
• 57:02
  the oldest form of healing, maybe even predating
• 57:06
  plant-based. Yeah.
• 57:08
  Don't forget that. The digital root is the oldest
• 57:14
  instrument in the world really, because The indigenous tribes of
• 57:21
  Australia. They've been there continuously
• 57:24
  before the English came from 50 to 60 thousand years.
• 57:28
  I mean that makes Chinese culture look like an infant and
• 57:34
  that they've been using this. this instrument and it's just,
• 57:39
  it's just a hollow tube and Played with the breath, the
• 57:47
  breath, the lungs, the heart is there.
• 57:51
  And so, it's about a bration that's just run down this tube.
• 57:53
  And it causes the petrified wood, or whatever is being used
• 57:58
  to make it to vibrate and it comes straight from the heart.
• 58:04
  So it is, you know, the indigenous tribes of Australia,
• 58:08
  really know a lot about spirit and about healing and everyone.
• 58:14
  Things they're backward because it didn't invent the wheel.
• 58:18
  When you don't wear shoes, and they almost stark naked.
• 58:22
  But that's because they were somewhere else.
• 58:25
  Most of the time, the Dreamtime. Is what they refer to it.
• 58:30
  And and so there's a lot to be learned.
• 58:34
  I unfortunately didn't have time or the context to really get to
• 58:40
  learn about the indigenous healing tradition.
• 58:44
  But the digital is definitely a healing tool.
• 58:47
  Yeah. Well, let's talk about some of
• 58:49
  the indigenous healing systems that you have had the Good
• 58:52
  Fortune over your life to learn into learning, quite some death,
• 58:55
  of course, the third eye. On your first Memoir, sex,
• 59:00
  drugs, and the Dow. We've talked in our last episode
• 59:04
  quite a bit about the Dow and then your second volume is
• 59:09
  energy, light and luminous space which is more about spiritual
• 59:15
  type of awareness that you developed over the years.
• 59:18
  One thing that you write about a lot is seokjin.
• 59:22
  Can you talk a bit about that Junction is very much.
• 59:27
  Tied in with Tibetan Buddhism, but it's it actually predates
• 59:32
  Buddhism. It had some shamanic routes
• 59:35
  originally, but it's very much on the higher levels of Tibetan
• 59:41
  Buddhism. Almost all the llamas at some
• 59:44
  point, especially that higher level people Yogi's they do have
• 59:51
  Junction transmissions and they learn Zouk sheet.
• 59:54
  And suction is based. Essentially.
• 59:56
  It means the word. Functions, the great Perfection.
• 59:59
  So what is the great Perfection? Well, the great Perfection is
• 1:00:02
  your original condition, your original state, your real
• 1:00:06
  condition, not your physical body, not anything physical or
• 1:00:12
  or inform. It's basically the teacher I
• 1:00:16
  learned from always pointing out to three aspects of the great
• 1:00:21
  Perfection. And that is, well, space, your
• 1:00:26
  formulas. And that even physics quantum
• 1:00:31
  physics has shown that everything.
• 1:00:32
  Ultimately, it's Just Energy, that's sort of condensed.
• 1:00:37
  So, Emptiness is another way of putting it space.
• 1:00:43
  The other thing is light Luminosity, which is your
• 1:00:46
  awareness, which goes back. Also to what I said about night
• 1:00:49
  concussed innate as teachers were saying awareness glows,
• 1:00:52
  their basic awareness is Luminous.
• 1:00:57
  And then from that Luminosity, from that clear, light refract,
• 1:01:03
  I use the word refract, 5 rays of color.
• 1:01:07
  This is what is traditionally called the five elements, the
• 1:01:11
  five elements in, we have and our ISM.
• 1:01:14
  We have it in Buddhism. It's basically the five elements
• 1:01:17
  are the the ingredients of the raw material for, for
• 1:01:22
  everything. We know inform.
• 1:01:24
  We look at it as form as having Colour and solidity, but
• 1:01:29
  essentially, it doesn't. That's just because Our organs
• 1:01:35
  can only see so much. And so, we take things as form
• 1:01:42
  which are in fact just combinations of energy and
• 1:01:46
  different vibrational patterns. So exemption is basically
• 1:01:51
  telling you and teaching you what your real basic condition
• 1:01:56
  is. And in that condition that your
• 1:02:00
  true nature is the one thing that does not die.
• 1:02:04
  It's what remains after the body dies or, and so the essence of
• 1:02:10
  spirit of awareness or however, you want to look at it.
• 1:02:16
  It's the bottom line of existence.
• 1:02:19
  I think, you know, basically by understanding what your true
• 1:02:23
  nature is, I think. People who follow these
• 1:02:27
  teachings, you know, it makes you sort of rearrange.
• 1:02:31
  Your priorities, what's important is really that which
• 1:02:36
  lasts And you know, material things.
• 1:02:42
  I mean if sure everyone likes to have a nice car and eat good
• 1:02:48
  food and all that and there's nothing wrong with enjoying the
• 1:02:50
  life, but it's also important to understand what the underlying
• 1:02:56
  nature is. You get a glimpse of glimpses of
• 1:02:59
  it with Ayahuasca. For example.
• 1:03:04
  But you know, that's you can't run around all day.
• 1:03:07
  Drinking ayahuasca. So it's really nice to have just
• 1:03:14
  to have a basic grasp of what, what your real nature is what we
• 1:03:21
  all share in common. What?
• 1:03:24
  Everybody is shares in common, and not only what everybody, but
• 1:03:28
  we share in common with nature, with the trees with the animals.
• 1:03:33
  Is that basic formlessness non-material form?
• 1:03:42
  Anything that's alive, has a luminous light to it.
• 1:03:46
  Which if we had the eyes to see. Okay, so you that's what they
• 1:03:50
  call. A third eye, the sixth chakra,
• 1:03:53
  you can see these things and and energy.
• 1:03:57
  And I think energy is the underlying common denominator in
• 1:04:01
  all the Traditions. I taoism talks a lot about
• 1:04:04
  energy, Qigong. The breathing and the exercise,
• 1:04:12
  the energy of plants of medicinal plants.
• 1:04:15
  What type of energy they have. Everything is basically composed
• 1:04:23
  of of energy in different forms. Why no dog?
• 1:04:28
  10 had a Huge impact on both you and Jojo.
• 1:04:34
  And I also know you're both very spiritual individuals.
• 1:04:42
  And of course, we've talked about this privately and I know
• 1:04:46
  you've met with my wife who also is very connected to Spirit and
• 1:04:51
  some of the stories that you share, especially of JoJo's
• 1:04:56
  ability to connect with Spirit are Really profound and I think
• 1:05:02
  for some people who haven't had that connection before or
• 1:05:06
  haven't had the awareness of that connection.
• 1:05:08
  I think those stories are going to have potentially a very big
• 1:05:12
  impact on them for better or worse.
• 1:05:14
  Some people may dismiss them as being nonsense.
• 1:05:17
  I hope people don't because what JoJo has been able to tap into
• 1:05:25
  over the years has really been incredible.
• 1:05:29
  And it's helped to guide you guys so much in your life.
• 1:05:33
  Yeah, it is very difficult to describe these things.
• 1:05:37
  I've certainly been connected with people who do channeling
• 1:05:39
  work and mediums. But, and I've seen it done in
• 1:05:46
  Taiwan with. That's one of my daughter's
• 1:05:48
  teachers places. I talked about that in the book.
• 1:05:52
  But at one point when she first came to join me in Thailand.
• 1:05:59
  Was she be talking asleep and in Japanese?
• 1:06:04
  And I didn't even know she know how to speak Japanese anyway, as
• 1:06:08
  it turned out if her grandmother.
• 1:06:13
  Was born in Japan. Had died.
• 1:06:17
  Only about six months earlier and apparently it was trying to
• 1:06:20
  contact her so that was coming through.
• 1:06:24
  And so, we did a few things, we fasted for a week, got kind of
• 1:06:29
  cleared ourselves up trains Drive ourselves.
• 1:06:32
  It's and I tried to sort of simulate the conditions under
• 1:06:37
  which I saw this teacher of mine.
• 1:06:39
  In his in his place in Taiwan. How are the he had his mediums?
• 1:06:48
  Go into a trance like state. So we played with it for a
• 1:06:55
  while. Well, actually, we didn't play
• 1:06:56
  with it the first night after we did the cleansing clearing.
• 1:07:04
  She something you could tell something was coming down
• 1:07:08
  through her top of her head and suddenly her tone of voice and
• 1:07:15
  ever tried first until spoke to me in Chinese.
• 1:07:18
  In Japanese, and and I said, in Chinese that I don't speak
• 1:07:21
  Japanese and she switched to Chinese.
• 1:07:26
  And so this was a being an entity or something in a
• 1:07:32
  different dimension who was connected with JoJo somehow and
• 1:07:36
  concerned about her. And so so began, you know like
• 1:07:43
  years of sessions, which I did with her.
• 1:07:46
  I kept a journal of most of those sessions.
• 1:07:50
  And I mean, she seemed to have no about just about everything.
• 1:07:56
  Especially things on a spiritual level.
• 1:07:59
  I did have a lot of questions to ask and I always got really
• 1:08:04
  clear. Cogent answers about things that
• 1:08:09
  JoJo had no training. She herself had never been much
• 1:08:15
  interested in spiritual things. Never went to Temples or things
• 1:08:19
  like that. So we're as I've been studying
• 1:08:21
  these things for a long time. So, This couldn't possibly be
• 1:08:27
  coming from her brain. She didn't have any background
• 1:08:31
  in this and he had The most esoteric things that I could
• 1:08:36
  talk about there was always a very clear answer and often
• 1:08:39
  revealing things that I didn't realize.
• 1:08:42
  Answering my questions, basically.
• 1:08:45
  And always. We never got steered wrong.
• 1:08:54
  From any of these sessions. Because, you know, there are
• 1:08:56
  cases of people who do channeling media and stuff.
• 1:08:59
  And, you know, you can get some strange entity come through
• 1:09:07
  posing as a God, or Spirit of something and really, cause you
• 1:09:13
  a lot of trouble. I don't think it was anything
• 1:09:16
  like that. If we never had any negative
• 1:09:19
  things and this this person I end up calling her granny
• 1:09:23
  because She introduced herself as her grandmother.
• 1:09:31
  She didn't make any never posed as a God or, or some sort of
• 1:09:37
  enlightened being or something. She just was herself.
• 1:09:41
  She was interested in singing in her lifetime.
• 1:09:43
  And now she was in a dimension where she could see a lot of
• 1:09:46
  what's going on outside of our Dimension.
• 1:09:51
  And so as you just shared it with me.
• 1:09:54
  The only thing she asked of me is that took good care of her
• 1:09:58
  granddaughter. We said you're doing so yeah,
• 1:10:04
  very interesting stuff. You know, a lot of people say,
• 1:10:07
  oh, you shouldn't mess with this.
• 1:10:09
  A mess with that and I'm aware of that, but I never felt.
• 1:10:14
  I was messing with anything. Whatever was coming through
• 1:10:17
  JoJo, from The Entity was connected with.
• 1:10:21
  The only thing I can say was a connected with light.
• 1:10:24
  And not with the dark. Yeah, well and I first an
• 1:10:30
  experience can say that the mediums who I have worked with.
• 1:10:35
  It's light that's coming through.
• 1:10:37
  It's, and I actually just one of my most recent interviews is
• 1:10:42
  with the medium by the name of Richard subtle.
• 1:10:44
  So for anyone who's interested in mediumship, take a listen to
• 1:10:47
  that episode. And it's it's really
• 1:10:50
  fascinating. And for some people it's dude.
• 1:10:52
  I know it's not going to be something.
• 1:10:53
  They have an interest in and so be it.
• 1:10:55
  I really appreciate that. You have it in your book.
• 1:10:58
  I know it's been such a part of your journey and you write about
• 1:11:02
  it in such a profound and beautiful way.
• 1:11:05
  Well, I mean That really is real.
• 1:11:08
  As not as unreal. I mean, a lot of things going on
• 1:11:12
  right now are really unreal, you know, in the sense that they're
• 1:11:15
  not, what they appear to be, is things going on behind the
• 1:11:19
  curtain, which are not good. And so energy, light and
• 1:11:25
  luminous space. You can't go wrong with those
• 1:11:27
  things. Yeah, you write a lot about two
• 1:11:33
  things that I wrote down actually as I was Is reading
• 1:11:36
  through your second volume because I wanted to talk to you
• 1:11:38
  about them ritual and spontaneity and in your life.
• 1:11:44
  You have managed to find it would say it away or a place for
• 1:11:51
  these two seemingly. Disparate ideologies to coexist.
• 1:11:56
  You have always been deeply ritualistic.
• 1:11:59
  And as the reader will learn from reading your Memoir, as you
• 1:12:03
  have also been incredibly. The S throughout your life.
• 1:12:07
  How do you find the balance point between these two?
• 1:12:13
  Well ritual, you know, on ritualistic about many things
• 1:12:21
  that are just very basic. I'm ritualistic about cooking.
• 1:12:26
  Smoking opium. In a place like this place in La
• 1:12:30
  Rose where they have and, you know, the guy taught me how to
• 1:12:34
  use the equipment. That's ritualistic.
• 1:12:36
  I think writing is ritualistic. It takes a certain technique
• 1:12:42
  that you repeat daily and on a timely basis.
• 1:12:48
  And I find that very necessary to getting anything done in a
• 1:12:54
  creative way. But I mean, there's also very -
• 1:13:00
  rituals which I steer far away from.
• 1:13:02
  I mean all these strange cabals with their rituals their Satanic
• 1:13:07
  rituals and torturing children and all these things.
• 1:13:11
  That's those are also rituals. So it can it's a two-edged
• 1:13:17
  sword. It can be positive or negative
• 1:13:19
  and I just try to keep to, to rituals which, you know, I can
• 1:13:25
  directly. Manifest, some sort of Creative
• 1:13:29
  Energy and bring it into foreign cooking as a ritual.
• 1:13:33
  That brings in to form a delicious dish on the table that
• 1:13:36
  other people can enjoy. It's not just slop and you know,
• 1:13:42
  writing brings up, brings forth a book and it writing is I'm
• 1:13:47
  very ritualist you my writing. I mean, I have to have a
• 1:13:50
  Montblanc fountain pen for writing.
• 1:13:55
  Key passages, which I don't want to do in a keyboard because I
• 1:13:59
  find that in the energy comes down from my my heart or my
• 1:14:03
  brain down my arm into the pain, through the inflows to the ink.
• 1:14:08
  And that's very different than using a keyboard.
• 1:14:10
  Then I copy it onto a computer board.
• 1:14:15
  So that's the ritualistic aspect.
• 1:14:17
  Spontaneity is well. If you don't spontaneous you
• 1:14:22
  miss the most beautiful and essential things in life.
• 1:14:27
  Don't give yourself a chance. You just follow the program as
• 1:14:32
  you've been taught and conditioned to do where there is
• 1:14:36
  no space for Kant. Spontaneity.
• 1:14:39
  I mean we talked about how I came across China and Chinese
• 1:14:43
  studies. What when I took this, massive
• 1:14:48
  dose of LSD that I'd forgotten I had that class.
• 1:14:52
  I just went there and it was totally spontaneous.
• 1:14:58
  This talk started. And spontaneously I recognized
• 1:15:02
  it and went. Still trippin to the
• 1:15:06
  administration building and set, my course spontaneously from
• 1:15:12
  that experience. I took a major in that subject,
• 1:15:17
  and I've been doing it ever since.
• 1:15:19
  I think the most important relationships in life, that
• 1:15:23
  where you find, you know, you're soul mates, your real friends
• 1:15:29
  who have come back and you recognize them all of those are
• 1:15:31
  spontaneous meetings. But they don't do any good.
• 1:15:36
  If you're if you go into them with a program or assumptions,
• 1:15:41
  you have to be open to life, creating spontaneous situations,
• 1:15:47
  which really reveal something. And to do that, you have to pay
• 1:15:52
  attention. You have your pay attention to
• 1:15:57
  what's happening around you rather than what's happening in
• 1:15:59
  your head another way. I think I refer to it.
• 1:16:05
  Somewhere in my book is the old saying seeing is believing.
• 1:16:12
  I mean, you see something brand new.
• 1:16:16
  It's you never occurred to you before and it's comes to your
• 1:16:20
  five senses. And you, you learn something
• 1:16:24
  new, that's believing. But today, it's the opposite for
• 1:16:28
  most people. It's believing is seeing.
• 1:16:33
  They only see what they believe. It's, I mean, it's, like, again,
• 1:16:39
  coming down to the situation in the world today and the
• 1:16:43
  censorship of the media and what's allowed.
• 1:16:47
  And mean, everybody's on on social media.
• 1:16:50
  It seems I stay away from Facebook whatever.
• 1:16:53
  But all of the stuff that's on there is a belief system that
• 1:16:59
  someone somewhere wants everybody to believe.
• 1:17:02
  And then even though they see something totally that doesn't
• 1:17:07
  fit that belief system that they've been programmed with
• 1:17:11
  they don't actually see it. Is it?
• 1:17:13
  No, that's not true. I mean a good example would be
• 1:17:17
  someone, they know somebody who took a vaccine or a shot of
• 1:17:22
  something and drop dead or had a heart attack, but They don't,
• 1:17:29
  they've been they believe that that's medicine.
• 1:17:33
  That's good. And so it's something else, they
• 1:17:36
  don't see the danger. They're so smart an 80.
• 1:17:42
  I think it's simply being able to be open enough to see and
• 1:17:48
  then learn from what you see. I eat change beliefs.
• 1:17:53
  That need to be changed that are unsuitable to the situation.
• 1:17:57
  You're in most people these days.
• 1:18:01
  They will not change their beliefs for anything even though
• 1:18:05
  they see right in front of them. Something happens.
• 1:18:07
  That's totally contradictory to what their belief system.
• 1:18:11
  So they don't deserve you never learned, you never mature.
• 1:18:14
  You never develop unless you're because a lot of the things we
• 1:18:18
  learn as children and in school and all that are not
• 1:18:22
  necessarily. Suitable to a new situation, 30
• 1:18:27
  years later, 50 years later. Yeah, spontaneity to me is
• 1:18:32
  following Hearts intuition, which is very different from the
• 1:18:37
  belief system that you're speaking of which is basically
• 1:18:39
  built on habituation and habituation is very different
• 1:18:44
  than ritual because ritual is mindful.
• 1:18:48
  Whereas habits I find are very unmindful.
• 1:18:53
  They are things that we do to avoid being present in the
• 1:18:57
  moment. Whatever, our habitual reactions
• 1:18:59
  are, Whereas ritual keeps us very much rooted in the moment.
• 1:19:04
  That's right. Ritual is something and ritual
• 1:19:07
  has a certain connection for me at least with some sort of
• 1:19:11
  creative process that you want to bring some idea or something
• 1:19:17
  and manifested in form. Even if it's the same ritual
• 1:19:20
  every day. The result may not be the same
• 1:19:23
  every day and then being spontaneous at the same time to
• 1:19:26
  the result. And maybe learning something
• 1:19:31
  different for any listeners who want to hear more about two of
• 1:19:34
  your key, rituals of Qi, Gong and what you call T.
• 1:19:38
  Gong, please listen to the previous episode because we go
• 1:19:41
  into great detail about your chi, gong and tai chi gong
• 1:19:44
  practice. Yes.
• 1:19:46
  I mean, that's that's still my those are the two pillars of my
• 1:19:51
  life. Still she going and T-Bone.
• 1:19:58
  And, you know, the Qigong works with your Basic Energy and
• 1:20:01
  instead of like a tuna. It's like keeping your engine
• 1:20:04
  tuned up your car, your motorcycle.
• 1:20:07
  You don't just let it start falling apart.
• 1:20:12
  It's a tuneup for the day. I think a lot is the difference
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  between You know, being open to the spontaneity that you would
• 1:20:21
  have from the heart as opposed to the set beliefs that you have
• 1:20:27
  in the head, and people are just so tuned in to what's in their
• 1:20:32
  head. Now that there's just not open
• 1:20:37
  to something that would be recognized as different coming
• 1:20:42
  from the hearth. Can you write a lot about the
• 1:20:47
  Wheel of Life can you elaborate on that?
• 1:20:51
  Well, the, The Wheel of Life, of course, is a term used in
• 1:20:56
  Buddhism and Hinduism about what they call reincarnation, or
• 1:21:01
  having, you know, Many Lives Many Lives one after the other.
• 1:21:08
  And each time you come back, due to karmic forces of things that
• 1:21:15
  happen in previous lives. And it's supposed to be an
• 1:21:20
  evolutionary system. Whereby you finally don't need
• 1:21:24
  to come back in a physical body and can go to a higher
• 1:21:29
  Dimension. But the Wheel of Life, in my
• 1:21:32
  view also refers to just the process of life itself within
• 1:21:38
  one lifetime. Starting when you're born and it
• 1:21:41
  ends when you die, and that will turns.
• 1:21:46
  And sometimes it's just turning in place, and sometimes it's
• 1:21:50
  taking you somewhere. So I see it the wheel of life
• 1:21:56
  being. Sort of a metaphor for life
• 1:22:00
  itself where they life is just is just spinning your will or
• 1:22:04
  whether it's going somewhere, taking you somewhere new.
• 1:22:09
  And then, of course. The, the progressive lives that
• 1:22:14
  we all have, because there's a part of you that doesn't die.
• 1:22:20
  It's called the spirit is called Souls called awareness, the
• 1:22:24
  great Perfection. It doesn't matter what it's
• 1:22:26
  called and that will come back due to vibrational forces within
• 1:22:34
  your field. To give you another round of
• 1:22:38
  Life, probably to learn. What you did to learn last time
• 1:22:43
  or to learn something new? Basically, until you graduate.
• 1:22:49
  To a higher level and Karma has always been something that has
• 1:22:54
  guided you quite quite a lot in life.
• 1:22:57
  Hasn't it? Yeah, I mean, you know, people
• 1:23:01
  think because it's a Hindu word or a Sanskrit word.
• 1:23:05
  It must be some strange Oriental concept, but it's not.
• 1:23:09
  It's a climbing. Just means action.
• 1:23:12
  And then what's every action has a reaction.
• 1:23:19
  So, anything you do with the three ways, you manifest your
• 1:23:24
  energy in the world, body speech.
• 1:23:26
  And mind. You can do something physical.
• 1:23:29
  All action, you can use your breath, your energy to speak.
• 1:23:36
  That's a vibration. And the thought of thought also
• 1:23:39
  has vibration. And so everything you manifest
• 1:23:43
  with your energy from your field into the world.
• 1:23:48
  Leaves. A vibrational imprint in your
• 1:23:53
  field action reaction. And so that's your, and that's
• 1:23:58
  basically a blueprint. it's a blueprint for what happens to
• 1:24:02
  you within this lifetime known as Instant Karma and What
• 1:24:10
  happens where you go? What dimension, you go to in the
• 1:24:14
  next slide, but all of this. I see it more as a law of
• 1:24:19
  physics. In spy bration, ultimately,
• 1:24:23
  everything boils down to vibration, everything.
• 1:24:26
  Physical, every tree. Every every word.
• 1:24:29
  We say, thought we have food wind sun is all basically
• 1:24:36
  vibration. That's about, Line.
• 1:24:41
  And so, we have this field of energy, everyone has their own
• 1:24:44
  field and what we do, what we say, and what we think in a
• 1:24:50
  particular lifetime leaves, the certain blueprint changes the
• 1:24:56
  vibrational imprint and that determines the experience.
• 1:25:01
  You have subsequently in life as well as subsequently in the next
• 1:25:07
  life. It's something you create
• 1:25:10
  yourself. so we really it's the universe is infinitely just it's
• 1:25:19
  what how I look at it. There are certain laws that you
• 1:25:22
  just they apply whether you like it or not or whether you
• 1:25:27
  understand it or not. And those things those things
• 1:25:33
  are what interested me most, you know in the early part of my
• 1:25:36
  life or the sex drugs and the Dow what's the dominant way the
• 1:25:42
  way. Okay.
• 1:25:43
  The way of sex and drugs, that's fine.
• 1:25:46
  But later I got older and I settled down with JoJo then I
• 1:25:50
  was more interested in the underlying the underlying
• 1:25:55
  factors the essence. As you speak of karma right now.
• 1:26:01
  It really puts as a concept of puts us in control of our
• 1:26:06
  destiny because by taking full accountability were able to
• 1:26:11
  change that karmic record moving forward and until we learn and
• 1:26:16
  grow from a lesson. As you said, we're going to the
• 1:26:19
  wheel of life is going to keep on turning and keep presenting
• 1:26:21
  us with that lesson again, and again until we get it just until
• 1:26:28
  you don't need a wee. You can just fly.
• 1:26:32
  I mean, I see the wheel as, you know, the wheel, as being
• 1:26:37
  something of this sort of physical world.
• 1:26:42
  You got wheels on a car, you got wheels in her, you know, watch
• 1:26:45
  you got wheels and factories the way.
• 1:26:49
  It's a wheel turning in a physical world and then
• 1:26:54
  ultimately You want to race through up to a dimension where
• 1:26:59
  you don't need a Wheels? You're just in space and
• 1:27:05
  luminous space. There's many incredible people
• 1:27:10
  who you write about who have influence your during her
• 1:27:13
  lifetime. One in particular.
• 1:27:16
  I'm hoping we can talk about and that is John blofeld.
• 1:27:21
  Oh, John blofeld. Yes.
• 1:27:23
  What a wonderful man. He was.
• 1:27:26
  He? I read his books in the 70s.
• 1:27:32
  When I was in Taiwan. I don't know.
• 1:27:35
  A friend of mine gave me a book by him.
• 1:27:40
  And it's something about the way he writes attracted me.
• 1:27:44
  I mean, I'm a writer and I'm attracted to good writing, but
• 1:27:47
  there was something else in there.
• 1:27:49
  There was a compassion for the reader that he wanted to
• 1:27:53
  transmit something that the reader can use and that he truly
• 1:27:56
  believed in. So I read all his books. and
• 1:28:04
  then, Somebody came to Taiwan. It was actually a journalist who
• 1:28:11
  wanted me to hire me to take him around and to the best
• 1:28:14
  restaurants and in Taipei. And I'd been introduced as a
• 1:28:19
  person to approach because I knew all about nightlife sex,
• 1:28:25
  drugs in the doubt. So in the course of the, the
• 1:28:28
  last dinner, I do at the restaurant.
• 1:28:30
  I took him to. I just had a curiosity, I asked
• 1:28:33
  him where, which city he'd covered before he said, oh
• 1:28:37
  Bangkok. Hero.
• 1:28:38
  Who took you out in Bangkok? He said, oh, all right, here
• 1:28:41
  name is Right. Named Ron blofeld, you know?
• 1:28:44
  And I said what it doesn't does. He live in Cambridge or Oxford
• 1:28:51
  and that's where he's from England.
• 1:28:54
  They're not always been living in Bangkok for 35 years.
• 1:28:56
  You knows the place inside out. So from him I got the guys.
• 1:29:01
  John blofeld's contact. I wrote him a letter.
• 1:29:05
  And said, I would love to meet him and he wrote back and
• 1:29:09
  invited me. He's and find.
• 1:29:10
  I didn't realize it though, but he was actually dying with
• 1:29:13
  cancer. At the time, he lived in an old.
• 1:29:21
  Fashioned traditional Thai House that, some somebody related to
• 1:29:26
  the royal family a princess or something had built for him.
• 1:29:29
  Because she likes his books on Buddhism.
• 1:29:36
  So yeah, we drank tea together. In fact, it was his book, the
• 1:29:43
  Chinese art of tea that got me from being a coffee addict
• 1:29:49
  basically into a tea person. I mean, I completely switched
• 1:29:53
  over to the Chinese art of tea as opposed to just being someone
• 1:29:58
  who slurps up a lot of coffee every morning to get going.
• 1:30:02
  And yeah, I spent two months in Bangkok.
• 1:30:05
  I plan to go for two weeks, but it's been 2 months there.
• 1:30:09
  And got to know him. Well, and he was just a
• 1:30:11
  wonderful man. He was a good writer and he was
• 1:30:14
  interested in things. He wrote books on Buddhism in
• 1:30:18
  particular, Tibetan Buddhism, which was, but I was interested
• 1:30:22
  in and I wasn't so there was a, in the end.
• 1:30:29
  I also became friends with his tie daughter.
• 1:30:32
  You didn't adopted Tire daughter.
• 1:30:34
  And after John died. She invited me to come live in
• 1:30:39
  his house. By that time I had moved to
• 1:30:43
  Bangkok. So I think John was like the
• 1:30:47
  instrumental in my interest in Thailand.
• 1:30:52
  Well, I'm currently upon your recommendation, reading his
• 1:30:56
  Memoir, which he wrote in Chinese and you translated back
• 1:31:01
  into English and oh, yeah, absolutely, absolutely, loving
• 1:31:05
  it. Yeah, that is very interesting
• 1:31:08
  that you know, he. You wrote that and cereal for a
• 1:31:14
  Chinese newspaper in Hong Kong. And it's basically, he was
• 1:31:19
  writing to his Chinese friends. You never had any idea or notion
• 1:31:23
  that it might appear in English. So he wrote in a particular way.
• 1:31:28
  We sharing his love of China and his 18 years there, which he
• 1:31:32
  missed so much for his Chinese friends, but I got the
• 1:31:37
  translation and rights, but it was like Almost 20 years before
• 1:31:43
  it was published because I couldn't find a publisher
• 1:31:45
  interested until 2006 and it came out and you know, all these
• 1:31:53
  fans of John's books suddenly realize there was another book
• 1:31:58
  available by him. And it was his Memoir.
• 1:32:02
  Yeah. It was well written the Chinese
• 1:32:05
  is very good, too. It is and I think it's worth
• 1:32:08
  mentioning that the book probably wouldn't have been
• 1:32:12
  completed by John if it wasn't for your intervention as he was
• 1:32:18
  a police officer. Yeah, it's very actually.
• 1:32:25
  He was taking a course of chemo. For this lymphatic cancer that
• 1:32:32
  he had. And finally, he just just got
• 1:32:34
  him so down that he just stopped it, but he, when I came to him.
• 1:32:43
  The first week I came to him. He told me about this Memoir and
• 1:32:47
  that he was only halfway through, but and that he would
• 1:32:50
  never finish it. He was just, he was so upset by
• 1:32:53
  that. And is it what happened?
• 1:32:55
  You told me to chemo and I said, well, you just said, his brain
• 1:33:01
  seemed Frozen non-functional, probably from the chemo.
• 1:33:08
  So, I introduced a pharmaceutical called hydrogen.
• 1:33:17
  Interestingly enough. This is not a typical
• 1:33:20
  pharmaceutical drug made from chemicals.
• 1:33:24
  It was developed by none other than Dr. Albert, Hofmann.
• 1:33:31
  Who discovered in the process of developing hydrogen,
• 1:33:35
  accidentally discovered LSD? It was lsd-25.
• 1:33:41
  They go in 23. It was his 23rd experiment with
• 1:33:46
  this particular. It was all.
• 1:33:47
  It was made from, are God ever? Got was is the mold from the Rye
• 1:33:52
  plant from which LSD originally came, but he was trying to make
• 1:33:56
  this thing is hydrogen and he finally succeeded what he put
• 1:34:02
  the LSD, which he didn't find useful.
• 1:34:06
  It wasn't a part of It wasn't right.
• 1:34:09
  He put that on the Shelf, what he did with it later his
• 1:34:13
  history, but he finally did succeed in developing hydrogen
• 1:34:19
  and it's a nootropic, a nootropic is something that
• 1:34:22
  enhances cognitive functions. I've used hydrogen many times
• 1:34:26
  use hydrogen the right books. I turned so many people on the
• 1:34:31
  hydrogen. They love it.
• 1:34:32
  It's hard to find these days and in him America my God, you got
• 1:34:36
  to have a prescription. I used to buy it in Thailand
• 1:34:41
  over the counter. It's not a dangerous drug.
• 1:34:44
  It's not addictive. It doesn't have any psychedelic
• 1:34:47
  effects whatsoever. It just really clears your mind.
• 1:34:53
  And one thing it does repairs dendrites. and this is what
• 1:34:58
  happened to John the Denver rights of fine, filaments that
• 1:35:01
  connect your brain cells and the chemo and probably just
• 1:35:06
  Disintegrated them. so, I recommended I brought him a box
• 1:35:14
  of hydrogen and told him how to take it.
• 1:35:18
  I told him to take a strong dose.
• 1:35:22
  I came back three days later, and he was just elated.
• 1:35:27
  He said, what was that stuff? You gave me that?
• 1:35:30
  I am writing again. I'm going to finish this book
• 1:35:33
  before I die. He sent his daughter out to buy
• 1:35:36
  a carton of it. And from then on, he was
• 1:35:41
  chipper. I mean, he was in stage 4
• 1:35:47
  cancer, but he was really bright and cheerful.
• 1:35:51
  He had plenty of mental energy. He finishes book and we were out
• 1:35:57
  a lot at night to have dinner. You knew all the chefs and the
• 1:36:01
  Chinese restaurants. He'd go in there.
• 1:36:03
  And yeah, cut them in Chinese and order the meals and was
• 1:36:06
  fantastic. It really, really was.
• 1:36:08
  I think it's ironic simply that the guy who discovered.
• 1:36:13
  The gene was dr. Hoffman who in the process are
• 1:36:16
  working on that on, that medicine, discovered LSD?
• 1:36:22
  Now is hydrogen something that is used at all in the medical
• 1:36:26
  system today, because it sounds like you used to have to place.
• 1:36:30
  It used to be used a lot in France and in Europe overall
• 1:36:38
  more. So in you Europe, I don't know
• 1:36:42
  about America, but it's known to people who are working on their
• 1:36:48
  PHD pieces and snowing to graduate students all over the
• 1:36:52
  world who care about their performance and, you know, the
• 1:36:58
  world goes round. So it's a well-known drug is one
• 1:37:01
  of the oldest promise sitacles around.
• 1:37:04
  It's been out since 1950 or something.
• 1:37:07
  It's been tested inside out. In mega-doses also, it's totally
• 1:37:14
  harmless. Non-addictive, non-psychoactive
• 1:37:20
  active in the sense of, you know, psychedelic and it just
• 1:37:25
  works and repairs your brain cells.
• 1:37:27
  Every it also increases oxygen supply to the brain cells, but
• 1:37:35
  certainly sounds like something that, at the very least should
• 1:37:39
  be considered for hospice care. Oh, absolutely.
• 1:37:42
  Absolutely. Rob John's experience.
• 1:37:45
  Yeah. It's so Incredible but they do
• 1:37:47
  the opposite things. Mostly they give them to sedate
• 1:37:51
  people. You didn't know Thorazine and
• 1:37:53
  make them mentally dead. Basically.
• 1:37:57
  Yeah. Wow, that's really a shame.
• 1:38:01
  Yeah, it is. I have two very different
• 1:38:05
  topics. I want to go into next and one
• 1:38:09
  of those is the fact that you and JoJo of established
• 1:38:13
  yourselves over. The decades is being I'm going
• 1:38:16
  to say pioneers and in health leading, Retreats that you have
• 1:38:21
  led. So I want to maybe end with the
• 1:38:25
  positive side of those Retreats and the experiences you've had.
• 1:38:29
  But before we do that one thing that you share.
• 1:38:32
  So Courageously, I think in your second volume is the dark days
• 1:38:39
  and following that third and again, hopefully final
• 1:38:43
  near-death experience. You really fell on some very
• 1:38:46
  hard times and I think you have done.
• 1:38:52
  A great service for your readers to talk about that experience.
• 1:38:56
  So openly as you do because I think it could really help some
• 1:38:59
  people through their dark times. So I'm just wondering if you
• 1:39:02
  could talk about that for a little bit.
• 1:39:04
  Well, yeah, I was hesitant about writing about that stuff, but
• 1:39:12
  that's great. I'm glad to hear that.
• 1:39:13
  You found it useful and helpful because for me it was
• 1:39:18
  particularly difficult. I've always been someone.
• 1:39:22
  Who knows what I want to do and does what I want to do and does
• 1:39:26
  it quickly. And thoroughly and usually very
• 1:39:31
  effectively. But this was it was due to the
• 1:39:35
  lat the amount of blood I lost from this bleeding ulcer, which
• 1:39:41
  just came out of the blue, by the way, I It just struck me
• 1:39:46
  like a lightning and I was in China at the time.
• 1:39:49
  So it took me a week to get back to Australia to the hospital.
• 1:39:54
  So I went into this thing called a code blue, which is basically
• 1:39:58
  your heart, your blood pressure drops to zero your heart just
• 1:40:01
  about stops. And so there was no oxygen going
• 1:40:06
  to the brain. And so these guys vitamin any
• 1:40:10
  other hospital I would have died at least in brain-dead, but they
• 1:40:16
  pulled me out of it. Less than a minute before.
• 1:40:21
  Brain death, so I don't know what it did but it left me a bit
• 1:40:26
  crazy. I wasn't myself.
• 1:40:29
  My personality was all scattered on.
• 1:40:32
  It's like taking you know, one of those sand mandalas Tibetans,
• 1:40:37
  make a spend week, making it complicated Spondylitis, and and
• 1:40:42
  that's your personality. And at the end of it they just
• 1:40:47
  They just scatter the sound. That's how I felt.
• 1:40:51
  So I Ya Allah other things that I described in that chapter.
• 1:40:56
  And for instance, I should have just stayed home.
• 1:40:58
  I should have been traveling but for some reason I felt compelled
• 1:41:02
  to run both the airport. Jump on an airplane and I did
• 1:41:06
  some of these. I mean I'm amazed I didn't get
• 1:41:08
  arrested as a person of interest of questionable character
• 1:41:13
  because I did some really crazy things.
• 1:41:17
  This went on for years and I mean in the end we ended up back
• 1:41:20
  here and in Thailand, which actually I had no intention of
• 1:41:23
  coming back here. so, what is the lesson to be learned there?
• 1:41:34
  One thing is that I still have my partnership with JoJo?
• 1:41:37
  She's watching over me. And life goes on.
• 1:41:44
  You just have to pick up the pieces where they fall. and it
• 1:41:51
  was a true mirror was a rough time because when you're in I
• 1:41:56
  mean, it made me understand insanity and and psychosis in a
• 1:42:04
  way I never had before. Because I've had people asking
• 1:42:06
  me about that many times what to do about that and why I could
• 1:42:11
  look it up and do research. I didn't really know what to
• 1:42:14
  say. But this really taught me a lot
• 1:42:18
  about that because when you're in that state and the brain
• 1:42:20
  chemistry is running, but it's not going through the right
• 1:42:23
  circuits. The wires are crossed not.
• 1:42:26
  That's the way it is. You think you're?
• 1:42:28
  That's the world as it is? You're not aware of what you're
• 1:42:31
  doing. And then the next day, something
• 1:42:34
  else another wire across. And so, I don't know how long it
• 1:42:37
  took for the for the brain, chemistry to sort itself out,
• 1:42:42
  but it finally did settle down. It took five years or so.
• 1:42:48
  And by the way, they don't tell you anything about this.
• 1:42:52
  The doctors, you know, yeah, you had a code blue.
• 1:42:55
  This was the most severe one I ever seen in this Hospital.
• 1:42:58
  Blah, blah, blah. What can they tell you?
• 1:43:01
  Because there's no Instrument that can measure which circuits
• 1:43:05
  have been damaged or impaired in some way.
• 1:43:09
  All there is, is the behavior. That comes out of it.
• 1:43:17
  So what sounds like such a harrowing experience.
• 1:43:20
  It was heroin. Yes.
• 1:43:21
  Definitely. I guess it was your fourth
• 1:43:24
  near-death experience, really? Because it was touch and go for
• 1:43:28
  a while. And yeah.
• 1:43:29
  Again take thank you for sharing.
• 1:43:31
  I don't think it'll be any more near death's.
• 1:43:33
  It'll just be the real one everyone.
• 1:43:37
  Hopefully a long time from now. So you and JoJo over the years
• 1:43:44
  have created. A detox program.
• 1:43:48
  I'll call it renew your lease on life.
• 1:43:51
  Yeah, renew your lease on life. I came to know of you and your
• 1:43:56
  work through the book, The Dow Health sex and Longevity.
• 1:44:00
  And as you, and I have talked since our previous interview, I
• 1:44:03
  was able to pinpoint that. I probably found out about that
• 1:44:07
  book while doing a detox cleanse in Thailand.
• 1:44:14
  You said it was probably a Koh Samui.
• 1:44:16
  And it was probably yeah, it was probably at a retreat that JoJo
• 1:44:22
  was involved in helping to I guess both of you were involved
• 1:44:25
  in helping to set up the protocol called the spa.
• 1:44:30
  Probably the guy who set that up.
• 1:44:35
  Yeah. He did base it on that, on my
• 1:44:36
  book. He's talked some about that
• 1:44:40
  protocol and that's program that you have run for so many years
• 1:44:44
  in so many different places. Around the world and the impact
• 1:44:47
  that's had on people. Well, I came up with it by doing
• 1:44:52
  it myself. For ten years or so.
• 1:44:58
  And mostly in Taiwan a couple of times in Thailand, but I never
• 1:45:03
  developed it for use with other people.
• 1:45:06
  I mean, the last thing I want to do is go into a bathroom and
• 1:45:09
  give us someone a colonic. I did it all myself.
• 1:45:15
  And so, from what I learned from it, I use that in my writing,
• 1:45:18
  but when JoJo came from Taiwan to join me in Chiang, Mai, she
• 1:45:25
  was toxic. I mean, she was so toxic in her
• 1:45:29
  liver was messed up. She had serious.
• 1:45:33
  She's got beautiful skin, but it was all there were welts all
• 1:45:36
  over the place. I don't know.
• 1:45:37
  So, I just like the second day she came to see me.
• 1:45:41
  I put her in the bathroom. With a claim aboard colonic
• 1:45:45
  irrigation kit. She locked herself in there.
• 1:45:50
  And gave herself a cleanse and that was it.
• 1:45:54
  She will see came out of their sparkling and happy and she said
• 1:45:58
  that was such an amazing experience.
• 1:46:00
  I love this. Tell me more about it.
• 1:46:03
  So I told her about it what I knew and she did a few programs
• 1:46:08
  to self. She did some with me and then
• 1:46:11
  she developed a way of A system of doing it, where she could get
• 1:46:16
  a group of people. No more than five or six at a
• 1:46:20
  time. Maybe eight.
• 1:46:22
  But where she would go into the bathroom.
• 1:46:25
  Usually you do these things yourself, but she would go in
• 1:46:27
  and work on their bow, in a way that she could find where the
• 1:46:33
  real impacted material was and she worked and just keep going
• 1:46:37
  until she loosened it all up. And we also adjusted the program
• 1:46:42
  a bit in terms of which supplements.
• 1:46:44
  We used and later. She added a liver flush to it
• 1:46:49
  for the last three days. I think we've been doing that
• 1:46:54
  for about 25 years. It started out.
• 1:46:59
  In bother you, we went to stay in the beautiful Balinese
• 1:47:03
  compound of a friend of mine and his.
• 1:47:07
  His Partners business partner was unless she couldn't even
• 1:47:12
  stand up. She had something wrong with her
• 1:47:15
  JoJo, figured it out. She put her on the program.
• 1:47:17
  Next thing, your whole family wanted to do it and people's
• 1:47:22
  health is getting better and they were losing weight.
• 1:47:25
  And the digestive systems are working again, and it's sort of
• 1:47:30
  evolved. To the point where her hands.
• 1:47:34
  Because remember, she channels to, and so somehow, I guess some
• 1:47:38
  of that energy was filtering down through her heart in her
• 1:47:42
  hand. So, we discovered that after a
• 1:47:45
  while that she was actually loosening up energy cloths.
• 1:47:50
  I call them clots because they like clotted blood in the
• 1:47:55
  internal organs, you know, trauma, anger, grief, these,
• 1:48:01
  Things get stored as energy. Clots knee, internal organs, and
• 1:48:05
  she was in the process of working on the bowel to remove,
• 1:48:09
  waste impacted waste. She was also loosening up some
• 1:48:13
  of this stuff. And that energy within it would
• 1:48:19
  break up and we should have come out sometimes.
• 1:48:25
  The person who she's working on, what kind of re experienced a
• 1:48:28
  trauma, or have certain memory of it.
• 1:48:32
  It was clear that the client was experiencing something on a
• 1:48:36
  mental level and emotional level.
• 1:48:38
  She would tell me what she saw. She would work on that in that
• 1:48:44
  organ, the liver, the kidneys, wherever it was.
• 1:48:48
  And a picture would come to her mind.
• 1:48:51
  She would just see it and then she would tell me about it and
• 1:48:56
  then depending on who it was, and how open they were the sort
• 1:49:01
  of work in a consultation later. I might say something like well.
• 1:49:08
  How did you happen to respond to that thing?
• 1:49:11
  That happened in such and such a place when you were 7 years old?
• 1:49:16
  And they say, how did you know about that?
• 1:49:17
  You know, I said, well, this is she saw that it was hiding in
• 1:49:21
  your liver or your kidneys and, you know, sometimes they would
• 1:49:27
  just start crying. Sometimes they would get
• 1:49:29
  frightened and just don't want to talk about anymore.
• 1:49:32
  But again, if the person was open to it.
• 1:49:37
  We would do a snow JoJo, would. Offer them, the opportunity to
• 1:49:43
  work on that on clearing at issue from the systems, and
• 1:49:48
  there was some real interesting things then to stop jumping out
• 1:49:52
  of their bodies. It seemed like they were only on
• 1:49:55
  the table and shaking and all that until that energy, just
• 1:49:59
  sort of Left their bodies. So that I'm saying all this is
• 1:50:06
  because from the basic idea of cleansing, the body, mainly the
• 1:50:12
  toilet, your bowel, and the liver, the filter.
• 1:50:18
  Her word for rest, up to Cleansing out stuff on an
• 1:50:23
  emotional and mental level. That was stored in the organs as
• 1:50:28
  energy. Clots congested energies, which
• 1:50:31
  held it there and the person was always experiencing this trauma.
• 1:50:37
  Or depression or fear because it was stuck inside their organs
• 1:50:43
  where that energy resides and then she would clear that up.
• 1:50:47
  And then, you know, talk about a relief.
• 1:50:51
  That was a cleanse on a higher level.
• 1:50:55
  So we had a lot of clients. Probably half of them in any
• 1:51:01
  program. Will our returnees?
• 1:51:03
  They come back. They want to continue with the
• 1:51:06
  physical cleansing, but they also want to continue with with
• 1:51:09
  the mental, emotional clearing. Now I don't take any credit for
• 1:51:15
  that. That's JoJo's work and she loves
• 1:51:19
  it. I mean, you know, it doesn't
• 1:51:22
  bother her about the smell of this sludge coming out of their
• 1:51:26
  bodies and the time it takes to do that with each person.
• 1:51:33
  She can go through eight people in one day.
• 1:51:35
  She doesn't eat. So just drink, coconut water
• 1:51:38
  during the entire program. And we've done it, mostly in
• 1:51:43
  Bali and then in Dali Yunnan and a few times in Thailand.
• 1:51:52
  We were doing it here when we move back here.
• 1:51:55
  But this whole shutdown, things has made it impossible for
• 1:51:59
  people to come. Yeah, Dad.
• 1:52:02
  Tell me about the colonics. And where did the coffee concept
• 1:52:08
  come from? Well, I follow the work of
• 1:52:12
  Bernard Jensen. And yeah, Andy Irons and That's
• 1:52:20
  what they do, but coffee coffee, enemas have been known for a
• 1:52:25
  long time. And the coffee.
• 1:52:30
  Does several things. First of all, it's a stimulant.
• 1:52:35
  The caffeine and stimulates the bow lining.
• 1:52:42
  It's it's a cleanser it cleans. The lining of the bowel because
• 1:52:52
  coffee is alkaline when you just pure coffee, you're drinking
• 1:52:59
  coffee. It'll alkalize your stomach.
• 1:53:02
  Unless you put sugar in it and acidified, but I think the main
• 1:53:08
  thing it does, when you put coffee in a clinic solution or
• 1:53:13
  even in the Hannah it goes up, the coffee goes up through the
• 1:53:17
  bile duct into Liver and it just causes the liver to expel.
• 1:53:24
  Toxic bile. And so that comes down to the
• 1:53:27
  bile duct into the bowels for products for elimination.
• 1:53:30
  So you're getting a lot of stuff out of the liver.
• 1:53:33
  The liver is a huge organ, and it's is a lot of waste stored in
• 1:53:38
  there. So the coffee I think, is to
• 1:53:41
  stimulate the liver to expel that stuff and also to stimulate
• 1:53:47
  the bottle. And I love the work that you
• 1:53:54
  both used to combine with that. An especially JoJo with her
• 1:53:58
  intuition and massage to be able to release the emotional
• 1:54:02
  build-up, the clots as you call them.
• 1:54:05
  Because I think very few people actually understand what happens
• 1:54:09
  with suppressed emotions. I think they just think, let's
• 1:54:13
  just suppress them and they'll go away but they don't know,
• 1:54:17
  they literally will bury themselves.
• 1:54:20
  In our system, in our organs, and they will Fester there.
• 1:54:25
  And either will be miserable as a result of them or will go
• 1:54:30
  through a process such as this, that will help too.
• 1:54:36
  Bring them back into circulation and awareness and help them to
• 1:54:39
  be processed and then expelled from the body.
• 1:54:41
  And really I think that's the only way to heal from them.
• 1:54:44
  And of course there's many ways of doing that and it could be as
• 1:54:47
  simple as crying or talking about it, but the results that
• 1:54:52
  you guys have been able to get it, been extraordinary and
• 1:54:54
  helping people to physically release those.
• 1:54:57
  Yeah. Because people aren't, you know,
• 1:54:59
  if you're going to cry it out of your system or talking.
• 1:55:05
  The system or whatever, you have to be aware of it yet.
• 1:55:08
  Be conscious of it and most people aren't conscious of these
• 1:55:11
  things. They act on them.
• 1:55:13
  They act out of fear. They act out of anger.
• 1:55:18
  They act out of trauma resentment on.
• 1:55:21
  They think that's all just normal.
• 1:55:25
  They don't realize that, it's the toxic thought or emotion
• 1:55:31
  that has been repressed suppressed and that Like I said
• 1:55:35
  before, it's a form of energy. That's all.
• 1:55:38
  I mean, instead of letting it get, get out of your system and
• 1:55:43
  get rid of it once and for all you must be pressed and based on
• 1:55:48
  the five Elemental energies, what relationship, you know, the
• 1:55:51
  liver is the wood element, which an anger and depression are
• 1:55:56
  would emotions and fear relates to the water element.
• 1:56:02
  So it gets stuck in the kidneys. All of these things.
• 1:56:05
  It into the traditional dollar system of thought the five
• 1:56:08
  Elemental Energies. So the way she works she doesn't
• 1:56:15
  talk them out of it. She doesn't ask them what
• 1:56:17
  happened when they were children or something.
• 1:56:23
  She finds where it's stored with her hands, loosens it up.
• 1:56:28
  And also, you know, she's giving a very high vibrational energy.
• 1:56:33
  Through her hands, that stuff is very low vibration.
• 1:56:36
  I'm very dense. It just gets scattered and as it
• 1:56:41
  comes out, of course, the person is re-experiencing that original
• 1:56:46
  thing. Yeah, and one of the five
• 1:56:49
  elements, as you speak of them, the bells, the large intestine
• 1:56:53
  is metal and metal. And the large intestine
• 1:56:57
  represent letting go just as we let go of our bowels.
• 1:57:02
  If our men. All energy is obstructed such as
• 1:57:06
  having physically and obstructed large and tested constipation.
• 1:57:11
  Then we have a very difficult time of letting go of our
• 1:57:14
  emotions and processing them and healing from them.
• 1:57:17
  The and in the union system of linked paired, organs.
• 1:57:23
  The bowel is linked and paired with the lungs.
• 1:57:27
  That's right. You don't speak out.
• 1:57:31
  You don't speak out and I find you don't have inspiration which
• 1:57:36
  comes from the lungs. We cannot Inspire.
• 1:57:39
  If the metal on the other side the large intestine is all
• 1:57:42
  constipated. That's right.
• 1:57:43
  And so it really leads to a lack of creativity and Beauty for
• 1:57:48
  life. That's correct.
• 1:57:50
  You know, I was thinking of I don't think I'll ever get around
• 1:57:53
  to doing this but renew your lease on life.
• 1:57:58
  Being the name of our program. To create a program or write a
• 1:58:04
  book called release your lease on life.
• 1:58:07
  Yeah, kind of telling people sort of a way to deal with death
• 1:58:13
  gracefully. Yeah, I think that could be very
• 1:58:16
  helpful and profound really because we that's something in
• 1:58:20
  our culture. We cling to we cling to those
• 1:58:23
  last dying days and we typically don't end up in a very peaceful
• 1:58:29
  place and to let us know. I mean there's denial and the
• 1:58:33
  end anger and you try to make a last-minute deal with the devil
• 1:58:39
  or the doctor or God priest. But I mean, you know death is
• 1:58:44
  just about the only thing in life you can be suiting up.
• 1:58:48
  It's going to happen. Yeah.
• 1:58:54
  Yeah, well, it's been two hours, so we should probably wrap it
• 1:59:00
  up. I really thank you for the time.
• 1:59:02
  I want to to conclude. I just wanted to talk about my
• 1:59:06
  impression of shots from the hip both volume 1 and volume to the,
• 1:59:11
  as I said earlier, in the beginning.
• 1:59:12
  They're very different books. Volume.
• 1:59:15
  One is an absolute page-turner. It is so entertaining.
• 1:59:21
  So Unbelievable. I can't believe the experiences
• 1:59:26
  that you were able to bring into your life because you brought
• 1:59:30
  them all in. You were following your
• 1:59:34
  intuition of your heart, being spontaneous, and it's an
• 1:59:37
  incredible journey. That's great.
• 1:59:40
  That's a great review. Yeah, well, it's I can tell and
• 1:59:47
  then Volume 2 and equally amazing book but a very
• 1:59:52
  different type of book and you really switch gears and there's
• 1:59:55
  a lot of lessons to be learned in that book from your direction
• 2:00:01
  that you give on, dog Chen on taoism on Buddhism on spirit and
• 2:00:07
  Karma and the way you weave in, all of these healing experiences
• 2:00:11
  that you've had. So also a very poor Alan Reed
• 2:00:15
  and I think both can be Standalone books and enjoyed.
• 2:00:21
  I loved reading them back to back and I think of I've read
• 2:00:26
  many of your books, the certainly stand out as some of
• 2:00:29
  my favorite, so thank you for bringing those to life and
• 2:00:33
  letting the world. See them.
• 2:00:34
  Well, it's good to hear that. Because I said I was hesitant at
• 2:00:39
  times about how much to write about and I finally decided just
• 2:00:48
  to tell it like it is. I never expected to write a
• 2:00:53
  memoir. Much less publishing one, but it
• 2:00:57
  just happened. So I just followed through as I
• 2:01:01
  usually do. And where can listeners find
• 2:01:06
  these books? Well, I, these are
• 2:01:09
  self-published. Oddly enough.
• 2:01:11
  I couldn't get any of my old Publishers interested.
• 2:01:15
  Well, I will say that volume 1 was pretty scintillating.
• 2:01:19
  So I'm yeah, I could be, I'm not surprised.
• 2:01:23
  No, they're used to books about, you know, Chinese, herbal
• 2:01:27
  medicine, and this stuff. Maybe they thought it was just
• 2:01:29
  too far out for them. Yeah, and then maybe it was so I
• 2:01:35
  mean, I would still like to find a publisher because I just don't
• 2:01:39
  like self-publishing, very much, but I did self-published these.
• 2:01:43
  And they're on amazon.com, both in Kindle.
• 2:01:47
  And and in print. And people can also find links
• 2:01:52
  to them from your website. They're right.
• 2:01:54
  They're right on the dot org. Yeah, Dan Reed dot org.
• 2:01:59
  Those links to them. I think right on the homepage
• 2:02:02
  now so that will take you right to the the link on Amazon.
• 2:02:09
  Awesome. Well again, amazing books.
• 2:02:13
  So many wonderful life lessons contained, within the pages and
• 2:02:19
  what a life you've lived. It's really, it was incredible
• 2:02:23
  to sit back with my oolong tea, multiple multiple possible along
• 2:02:27
  and read through the memoir. The word colorful comes to mind.
• 2:02:36
  It was a colorful life, but the word colorful in Chinese also
• 2:02:40
  mean sexy. Oh, really?
• 2:02:43
  What's the word? Okay.
• 2:02:48
  Yeah, and it means color but it also can mean sex.
• 2:02:55
  I'm sure that's no coincidence. No, there are no coincidences.
• 2:03:00
  I like I say I'm a very much of a believer that everything that
• 2:03:04
  happens in your life gets prompted by vibrational prompt
• 2:03:08
  from within your own field. So it's something you put their
• 2:03:11
  yourself. No.
• 2:03:14
  Yeah, well and I've really enjoyed the last several months
• 2:03:19
  of getting to know you better. And I appreciate your
• 2:03:21
  friendship. And I look forward to ongoing
• 2:03:24
  communication with you. Yes, and even touch again.
• 2:03:28
  Thank you for doing this. Second interview with me, and
• 2:03:33
  for letting me and the readers, have a glimpse into your, your
• 2:03:39
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