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Which Ringless QB Will Win A Championship Next? & Talking Seahawks With A Seahawks Fan! · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL takes.
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Welcome to Three guys 6 Balls NFL Podcast.
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Welcome to episode 13 of Three guys 6 Balls NFL Podcast.
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Today we have a special guest on the show.
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It is Garrett who is Avery's cousin who has a Seahawks fan.
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Garrett, why don't you start us off today by just telling us a
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little bit about how you became a Seahawks fan?
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Well, it was kind of during the peak Legion of Boom.
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My brother Hunter turned it on and I saw Richard Sherman lay a
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guy out and I was like, yeah, these are my guys.
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And ever since then I've just stuck that one team.
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I think the first Madden I ever played was 15, which was the
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only Seattle player to I. Was it Sherman that was on that
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cover? I think it was.
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And yeah, and I'm been a Seattle fan ever since.
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I love them. Where do you live?
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I. Live in North Carolina so it's
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complete opposite side. You're not a Panthers fan.
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No, not a pen. I do love the Panthers though.
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Do love the Panthers, you know, because that was kind of during
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the height of Cam Newton. So everybody, I did get a Cam
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Newton jersey for Christmas one year.
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Well, that didn't work. Out too well.
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No, did not. I'm so sorry we have to stop.
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Just literally everything. Did you say Richard Sherman's
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you only Seahawks player? It's everyone on the Madden
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cover. What he said, he was on, he was.
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On but, he said. He was he not the only No.
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No, he's not the Sean. Alexander.
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Alexander mad. No, I forgot about 10 years old.
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He's not. He's not old enough for that.
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I'm not old enough for Sean. I'm.
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Not a child. I didn't hear you say it was the
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only one. Yeah.
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I know. I stopped listening to anything
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else you said, Richard. Sherman I'm not old enough for
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Sean Alexander. I grew up during beast mode.
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Wait, how old are you? I'm 16.
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I turned 17 in August. OK, we'll cut you some.
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Slack, then this is important information to have a literal
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child. OK, OK, OK.
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I know, all right, this don't attack me for the world.
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Men, Garrett, you just we're. Not I know, Avery.
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You're the oldest cousin you know you're.
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Literally twice his age. Yeah.
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I got to keep all of them in line.
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All right, so Garrett, you were old enough to see the past that
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was intercepted at the 1 yard line?
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That is the first Super Bowl I remember, actually.
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Oh. Yes.
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Good memory. That's a rough point.
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Really tested your faith there. Yeah, You know, in fact, my
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brother's always like, why don't you just switch teams?
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I'm like, I can't. It's not how it works.
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Can't do that now. Won't you pick?
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One of your for life his. Brother did that, he was a Tar
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Heel fan and then he didn't get into Carolina, went to NC State
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and now he's a state fan, which is like Cardinal sin #1.
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That was TJ, not Hunter TJT. JTJTJ is watching.
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This He's dachshund all your cousins right now.
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He also went to the wrong team state.
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Not better, Worse than Duke. Would you rather be a Duke fan?
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They're not they They shouldn't be in the same conference.
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NC State is near Division Two, No.
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Russell Wilson. Yeah, he played Duffy Carroll,
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Carroll coach there for a few years, didn't he?
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You're going to set it shoot Diddy.
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Yeah, he did. He also said that there's only
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been 1 Seahawks player on that. OK.
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No, Carol did coach there and I think it was like.
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He did 80 to 82. He was the defensive
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coordinator, yeah. Oh, you remember that, Garrett.
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Yeah, yeah, I was. I was in the stands.
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But not Sean Alexander. I yeah, never going to live that
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down, am I? Nope.
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No, no, never. That's getting clipped.
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What's going on it? Is isn't it?
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We're going to have a little, have a little.
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Pinwheel that little Mac loading sign over Will's head when you
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say it, and he's just like. Honestly, it's your benefit that
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I've called you out on the show for it.
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Yeah, I didn't the. Internet was going to destroy
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you so. If we're self aware.
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About it the the punishment in the comment section is less.
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Because by the time people are typing the angry comment, Sean
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Alexander, I come in. Well, what about Sean Alexander?
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So you'll be OK. Rendering all other mean
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comments redundant because will already did it.
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Yeah, I appreciate it, Will. You take. 101.
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I'll think about it. Depending on how well you do the
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rest of the show, I might not put it on.
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Boy, he's only going to cut out my portion of calling you out,
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though. You're still going to say it.
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All right. Well, thanks Garrett for coming
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on with us today. We appreciate it.
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We're grateful to have a dedicated listener on the show.
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So thanks for being a fan and for coming on.
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So let's get into our first topic today, which is going to
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be which ringless quarterback will be the next one to win a
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championship. And so, Garrett, since you're
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our guest, why don't you get us started?
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Oh gosh, that is a tough one. I am thinking the most recent
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MVP, Josh Allen, I love Keon Coleman.
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Did he produce as much as I wanted him to this year?
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I don't think he did. I'm a big fan of Kincaid.
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Dion Dawkins I love, especially since they just got that
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protection of the year more. They're putting in this new year
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for offensive lineman. I think he's a great offensive
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lineman, beast to hold down on the line.
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But I think if Josh Allen can play his cards right, if the
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front office can play their cards right and get him some
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more wide receiver helped, I think he can definitely be the
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first quarterback, first ringless quarterback, OK to win
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one. OK.
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Well, you agree with I think the majority vote here.
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So on in our Instagram sports podcasters group, I put out a
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poll for which ringless quarterback would be the next
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one to win a championship and there was 22 total votes.
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Eight of those votes went to Josh Allen.
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So he received the most votes out of all the quarterbacks.
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And then just so you guys know the remaining votes, Lamar
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Jackson had five, Justin Herbert had three, Caleb Williams had
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two. Granted, they were both from
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Bears fans, so take that for what you will.
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Joe Burrow had one, Jayden Daniels had one, CJ Stroud had
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one and Baker Mayfield had one. Baker May.
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Who is that guy? Find him.
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I'm surprised Jayden Daniels didn't get one.
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He did. He had one.
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He did. Yeah, who voted?
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Baker Mayfield, I think a Bucs fan.
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They have to be. I think the only people that
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voted for their actual team are the two Bears fans and one
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Chargers fan. I know that guy.
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Shout out Tim answered the call and just just so you guys know,
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with the with this poll specifically with the Caleb
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Williams option, I put in parentheses next to his name.
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Be honest, Bears fans and they still both voted for Caleb
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Williams. That's probably why.
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Probably. Can't tell a Bears fan to be
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honest. All right, Well, Avery, who do
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you have as your guy? I'm.
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Going to go Bo Nicks. I thought you might go that
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route. No, I'm going to go Lamar
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Jackson for some reason, I just feel like he's going to sneak
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one out before Josh Allen. I think he can get it done
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before Josh. I like Josh.
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I think his team currently probably has the best shot, but
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we're talking about multiple years down the road just to be
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able to get one. Like I mean, you know, teams,
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the composition of the teams will change.
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I think Lamar gets it first. I thought about Lamar, but the
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reason I didn't pick Lamar is kind of also the same reason why
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I didn't pick Josh Allen. And it's kind of what we've
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talked about several times on the show is when you need that
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play, who does Lamar have to throw to?
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I know he's got Zay Flowers, but to me, Zay Flowers doesn't do
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it. He's a good receiver, but he
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doesn't do it for me. And they just signed DeAndre,
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DeAndre Hopkins, but he doesn't do it for me either.
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He's washed. He obviously has Mark Andrews.
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Yeah, I was going. I was going to bring that up
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too. He's he's got.
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Mark Andrews too. We all know how that ended last
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year. Didn't happen like twice.
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Yeah, twice. Yeah.
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He's never going to live that down.
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All right, Will, did you have either Josh Allen or Laura
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Jackson? I did not.
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I'm going to go off script here a bit.
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I'm going to take a bit of heat for this and I don't really
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care. I'm not saying will Howard,
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let's just go ahead and get that out of the way I was.
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Hoping you would not I. Want to personally?
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You would have been ripped apart for.
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Saying I think it's the right pick.
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No, I'm just kidding. I don't think it's the right
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pick. He's not the next RIP ring as
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quarterback to win. He is a ring as quarterback
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that's going to win, but not the next one.
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I'm going to go with Tua, and I understand that that is not a
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popular pick, especially by Avery's face.
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But when Tua is in and he's healthy, there are not a lot of
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quarterbacks better than him stat wise.
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Now granted, stats don't tell the full story.
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We've been saying for years that that team is completely using
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the quarterback. And when 2 is in, he is that
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quarterback. He is the guy that can do all
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the right things. They spent their first round
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pick this year bolstering their defensive line.
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A lot of their offensive weapons stayed.
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Tyreek is still there. Somehow Devon Atrian crushed at
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this time. Pretty close.
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At least he didn't say acne. This.
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Time I wanted to They've got a good running back core,
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especially Brandon, Ollie, Gordon.
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They bolstered their offensive line as well to hopefully keep
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two out of concussion protocol this year.
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I think that team has a team ready to do it.
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They're in the AFC East, so it's a winnable division.
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I understand the pills are there, but who cares?
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And so I I like to have all the ringless, if he can stay
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healthy, I like to. OK, that's interesting.
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I did not expect that at all. We didn't say DAC because I'm a
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Cowboys fan. Dude, no way.
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Yo, that I was. To say DAC because you're a
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Cowboys fan. You're right.
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Exactly. You're right.
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There's actually a reason why it didn't list DAC as a quarterback
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on that poll I sent out, because it's not going to happen if you
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give us some thoughts on Tua. Yeah, I mean, they could be Tua.
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I mean, if he's not on the Dolphins and he's injured and a
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better quarterback is up, like, then he might win a ring.
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Well, that's not going to. Don't see him staying healthy
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that cat that you know if. He goes to play backup for the
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Chiefs. The next two quarterbacks behind
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Tua are Zach Wilson and Quinn Ewers.
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So if it's not Tua, it's nobody. It's.
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Going to be one of those Nick Foles situations where like,
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it's not Tua in the Super Bowl, but he like wins by default kind
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of thing. I like Tua, though.
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It doesn't look like it, but I think I'll be honest, OK, I'm a
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little salty because I had Tyreek on my team and I see Tua
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go down and I just know Tyreek's not going to touch the ball that
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season and he didn't at all. God, Tua.
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What is? What is how is he getting
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injured? These concussions?
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What is this? Yes.
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Mostly. Concussion.
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Wait, you had Tyreke on your team this last season?
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Yeah, didn't you have McCaffrey too?
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Yeah. It was a small.
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League. How was last place?
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How did that come out for? You.
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I did. I was actually somehow in first
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for like the first I don't think like 4 weeks, 5 weeks.
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And then by the time the playoffs got there, I only had
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like 5 active players that were like still playing.
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I was one of those quitters. I hate them, but I was one of
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them. I.
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Traded for McCaffrey and it did not kept going well.
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I hope you didn't trade much. No, I didn't.
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I think a second next year and a second year after something like
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that. It was.
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Dynasty thing. Yeah.
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Oh, I have no idea how that works.
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I've never done dynasty. I'm on the drumline at my
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school, so everybody on drumline just does a whole big fantasy
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thing. And I won last year.
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And then I was like, oh, I kind of helped it running back and I
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saw that McCaffrey was hurt and I was like, I could probably get
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him for kind of cheap. He's going to come back and do
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great things. You would never find our
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drumline team participating in fantasy football.
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Different breed of people. I'm kidding, did we have a
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drumline or is it just marching band?
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Probably just marching band. There was people who called
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themselves a drumline. I'm sure we're trying to beat
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Nick Cannon, but it just, it just wasn't it.
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Yeah, times change. All right, well, I'm going to
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give you guys my quarterback. So I went with Jayden Daniels.
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He's 69% completion percentage. He had a quarterback rating.
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He had a quarterback rating of 100.1.
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He had 891 rushing yards and six rushing touchdowns.
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A lot of people like to compare him to Lamar Jackson because of
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his running ability, but I'm actually going to compare him a
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little bit more to Patrick Mahomes.
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And the reason why is I just feel like when you watched
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Jayden Daniels play that we've talked about on this show
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several times, that, you know, the Chiefs just don't care about
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the regular season. And you can kind of tell when
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they play that Patrick Mahomes just does not care.
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Like, until the game is on the line and something needs to
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happen, he just doesn't really care.
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And the same thing when you watch Jayden Daniels last year,
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I just feel like he didn't really care what was happening
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in the game. Like anything that had happened
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prior in the game, Jayden Daniels did not care until it
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came down to it. Then he cared and he made the
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play. Once game specifically, I want
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to point out is against the Bears when they were down 18 to
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12 with two seconds left and somehow they pulled off a Hail
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Mary pass to beat the Bears. And there were several games
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where he led them down the field for a game-winning field goal.
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He led them to an overtime win. It just seemed like Jayden
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Daniels has that Patrick Mahomes type of luck where somehow he
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just wins the game even though he shouldn't.
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And I know it's only been one season, but he just, to me, the
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way he carried himself was very similar to Patrick Mahomes in
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the sense that it didn't matter what had happened prior to that
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last drive when it mattered, Jaden Daniels was going to win
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the game somehow. I mean, that was like
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conviction. You've got me convinced.
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The only thing I'm scared of for Jayden Daniels is he's going to
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have a little sophomore slump like CJ Stroud did this year.
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I think Jane Daniels is better than CJ's child, though
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significantly. I know it does happen a lot
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where we see a sophomore slump, but I think with the truly
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special quarterbacks, you don't see that.
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And after his rookie season, I think that Jayden Daniels is
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truly special. Now to try and convince Will
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even more, I'm going to throw out some stats here.
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You've made the sale all right. OK, so since 1998, there are 12
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different teams from the NFC that have gone to the Super
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Bowl, and there's been 23 different quarterbacks.
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For those 12 teams, there hasn't been a.
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Go ahead, Will. I'm just doing the math here
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since 1998. So we're talking 27 years,
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right? 27 years, 27 years, 12 teams.
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Yep, 27 years, 12 teams and 23 quarterbacks.
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That's not that. That's not enough.
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Anyway, continue. And this, that is fitting
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because the last team to go to the Super Bowl back-to-back is
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the Seattle Seahawks in 13 and 14.
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No team has gone to the Super Bowl in back-to-back years since
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the Seahawks did it in the NFC. So every year it's been a
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different team. So it was the Eagles last year.
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So that tells me that it's not going to be the Eagles this year
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just based off of history. The last team to do it before
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the Seahawks was in 96 and 97 when the Packers did it twice.
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If you look at the 27 years, 12 teams, 23 quarterbacks, then you
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go to the AFC now it's not since 1998.
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I did since 2001 for the AFC because that was Brady's first
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year winning the Super Bowl. But since 2001, so it's been 24
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years, 8 different teams, 7 different quarterbacks.
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Wow. So four different times has
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there been a team that has gone in back-to-back years?
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And I think that that just shows that in the AFC, you may have
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these guys like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson who are really
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good quarterbacks, but you've also got the guy who rules the
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AFC and Patrick Mahomes. Just like when Tom Brady was
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there, he had Peyton Manning. And there's Ben Roethlisberger
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who did go to the Super Bowl and they won multiple Super Bowls,
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but they were spread out. They weren't, you know,
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back-to-back like Tom Brady. He didn't go to the Super Bowl 9
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times in the AFC like Tom Brady did.
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So I kind of feel like it's the same situation with the Chiefs.
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They've been to the Super Bowl, what, five times in the last six
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years? And then in the NFC, you have
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not the same team that's gone in back-to-back years since the
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Seattle Seahawks did it. And then before that you go all
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the way back to 97 before you have the last team that did it
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before the Seahawks. So it's just the pattern.
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So I feel like it's going to be an NFC quarterback.
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The chances of that happening in the NFC are higher than in the
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AFC, in my opinion. Although I will say this,
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there's only been one team in the AFC that's ever gone to the
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Super Bowl in four straight years.
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And we all know who that is, the Buffalo Bills, who lost all four
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Super Bowls. A little bit all to the NFC
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East. So history says that the Chiefs
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are not going to the Super Bowl again this year because that
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would be 4 years in a row. Which means to put all those
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stats together, we won't have the Chiefs or Eagles in the in
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the Super Bowl this year, Yes. Thank goodness.
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Hopefully we can get a couple teams where it's like the NBA
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right now. Got to have our basketball
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reference in there where it's like the NBA where there's going
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to be two teams who have never won a championship.
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I can't wait to see a Bears, Jaguars, Super Bowl guys.
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Yeah, I've seen the Bears have won, but you know, reality.
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You can get Lions and Texans. That could be interesting.
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Or I am? Really glad that someone said
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Lions because I was kind of thinking I was leaning towards
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golf, but Frank Ragnar retired today.
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He did, so I was. I mean, they just, they lose a
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massive piece of their offensive line.
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I don't know if he can. I don't know.
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I mean, he was injury prone, yes, but I don't know if they
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can take a hit like that on the offensive line and be able to
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keep up there. He couldn't take.
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Any like that? That's why he retired.
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Dan Campbell just going to put the pads on and go out there and
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play offensive line himself. So I don't I think I think
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they'll be fine. Actually probably have a
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Marlboro hanging out at one side, straw to a Bush light
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hanging out the other and just blocking his life out.
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No good deal. I did actually consider Jared
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Goff, too. The reason I kind of didn't pick
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him is kind of the same reason I feel like most people don't is
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Ben Johnson's not there as the offensive coordinator.
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But I did find a stat that kind of talked to me out of that a
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little bit. So even though I didn't pick him
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to make a case for Jared Goff real quick, you know everybody's
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saying that Jared Goff is not going to be as good without Ben
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Johnson, right? So last year with Ben Johnson,
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he had a quarterback rating of 111 point eights, which was the
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second best in the league behind Lamar Jackson.
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He completed 72.4% of his passes and he threw 37 touchdown
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passes. He had a career year last year
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with Ben Johnson as his offensive coordinator.
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However, Ben Johnson was also the offensive coordinator the
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two seasons before that when Jared Goff did not have career
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years. So I think he's going to be just
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fine without Ben Johnson. Just because he had a career
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year with Ben Johnson, it doesn't mean he can't have a
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career year without Ben Johnson. He's also had previous a
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previous year in his career where he had a quarterback
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rating over 100 when he didn't have Ben Johnson as his
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coordinator with the Rams. So just because Ben Johnson is
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not the coordinator anymore, it doesn't necessarily mean that
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Jared Goff is going to take a step back.
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I did a quick search for best ringless quarterbacks and you
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know who has the most passing yards?
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Who never had a ring? Who like in NFL history, who had
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the most passing? The most passing yards for a
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ringless quarterback career career wise?
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Yeah, start up for the game. So let me just insert it right
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in the middle here. The most passing yards for a
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quarterback who never won a Super Bowl championship?
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That sounded weird to say. What is that?
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Is this like newer era or older? It is.
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Is it merino? All time.
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No, I, I know, I know. I'm asking.
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For a hint I guess. Merino is third, and if it's
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gonna be third, merino is third. Wait, what era did you say he's
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in? I didn't.
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I just heard all time. Are you gonna give us a hint?
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Nope. Let me put it this way.
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You all watch this man play football.
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Phillip Rivers. Phillip.
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Rivers Bing. Bing Bing. 63,440 yards.
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The best thing to come out of state the.
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Best. Dude's got like 12 kids too.
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Yeah, the the number 2 is Matt Ryan right behind.
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Him and then and then Dan. Marino that really sucks for
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that, right? Yeah, it does 20. 3/28. 23 Yeah,
19:45
yeah, yeah. And then you got Dan Campbell.
19:48
Nope. What's that guy's name?
19:50
Not Dan Camp. Marino, Dan Marino.
19:52
No, no, no, no, no. He's the head coach for
19:54
Washington now. Dan Quinn.
19:56
Wrong, Dan. Oh, Dan Quinn took his foot off
20:00
the gas. Just coasted his way to a Super
20:03
Bowl overtime loss. I thought you were talking
20:06
quarterbacks and that was like the only other Dan I know is
20:08
Orlovsky. No, he ran out of the back of
20:10
the end zone. Phillip Rivers, man, that guy
20:12
was always a fantasy juggernaut. Yeah, I I was a Chargers fan
20:16
because of him. Like, I wanted him to win.
20:19
And then Nick Kading never wanted him to win their kicker.
20:22
And so he just kept missing that shit right at the end.
20:24
And it was just what are you going to do?
20:26
Yo, fun fact, Phillip Rivers coaches high school football in
20:29
Alabama now. Does his team go to the playoffs
20:31
because he didn't win? He was in the NFL.
20:33
The three a playoffs. Does Phillip Rivers have the
20:36
same head coaching treatment that Brett Farve had in
20:40
Mississippi? I don't know about that.
20:42
What happened over there? No, probably not.
20:45
No, this is a small school. Half the team are probably his
20:48
kids. Doesn't he have like exactly 10
20:52
to make like the exact amount that he needs to create an
20:56
entire offense around him? Well, that would be 11.
21:00
Around him now he. Would be the quarterback, he
21:02
would be the. Quarterback.
21:03
Around him, yeah, OK, He has, He has.
21:05
To choose five of his kids to just put on a tremendous amount
21:08
of weight. Well, thanks for that fun.
21:11
Thanks for that fun little game there.
21:13
Hey, no. Problem guys, I like that.
21:16
All right, well, since Garrett is a Seahawks fan, we're going
21:18
to talk a little bit about the Seahawks and maybe throw some
21:22
NFC West in there as well. So kind of just start off with
21:26
the Seahawks here, Garrett. So I want to talk a little bit
21:28
about Sam Darnold. Oh gosh.
21:31
So you guys signed in this offseason after trading Geno
21:34
Smith and kind of just to throw out some stats from Sam Darnold
21:38
here and then I have a question for you.
21:40
Last season, Sam Darnold had a career year with the Vikings.
21:42
He had a passer rating of 102.5, which was better than
21:46
quarterbacks like Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Patrick
21:49
Mahomes, Jaden Daniels, and Jordan Love, just to name a few.
21:52
That was the only season in his career that he's had a
21:55
quarterback rating that was above 100.
21:58
Prior to that, his highest quarterback rating was 92.6.
22:02
That was in a season that he only played six games.
22:04
Outside of that season, he had never had a quarterback rating
22:07
that's above a 90. So this season with Sam Darnold,
22:10
do you see him being able to repeat the success he had in
22:14
Minnesota last year in his only good season of his career, or do
22:17
you think that he's going to revert back to the Sam Darnold
22:20
that we saw before he was with the Vikings?
22:23
I am going to say he's going to revert back to the same old Sam
22:25
Darnold, but I don't think he's going to be because of him.
22:28
I think it's because he's going to go to Seattle kind of
22:30
offensive line. They gave up the third most
22:32
sacks last year. Yeah, that is a very big subject
22:37
that every time I talk about Seattle, someone has to bring up
22:40
the offensive line because kind of at the end of the season he
22:42
was talking about how he was kind of going back to seeing
22:43
some ghosts. I think with DK being gone, I'm
22:47
glad we brought in Cup. He's more effective than DK was
22:49
in the red zone, which is where we struggled massively.
22:51
I'm a big, big fan of AJ Barner from Michigan, tight end.
22:56
I think the supporting cast that we have in Seattle around him,
22:59
excluding offensive line is great, but it's not Vikings type
23:02
of great like they had last year.
23:04
You know, I mean, they had Jay Jettis, Hawkinson came in a
23:07
little late to the season, but he still played really well for
23:09
them. Addison played well.
23:11
I think we do the exact same that we did this season, maybe
23:14
even slightly worse because Gino was decently elusive in the
23:17
pocket whenever he needed to be. I don't think Darnold is our
23:21
answer. OK.
23:22
Well, I have a comparison to make between Sam Darnold and
23:25
somebody else, and I want you guys to tell me if this is fair.
23:27
Minnesota Vikings 2017 Case Keenum is the quarterback.
23:31
Prior to signing with the Vikings, Case Keenum had never
23:34
had a quarterback rating above an 88.
23:36
He goes to the Vikings. He has his best year of his
23:38
career. He had a quarterback rating of
23:40
98.3. He had a career high and
23:42
completion percentage with 67.6%.
23:45
Then he leaves the Vikings after one season, goes to the Broncos,
23:49
and has never had the same success that he had in his one
23:53
season with the Vikings. That's kind of what I thought of
23:55
when I thought about Sam Darnold and the Vikings.
23:57
What do you guys think? Vikings got that magic.
23:59
I guess they do. Different head coach too.
24:02
That gives me any kind of hope for JJ McCarthy.
24:06
I have have already said on this show and I have no hope for that
24:09
guy. And I think the Vikings had a
24:11
huge step back because of that. They're going to end up signing
24:13
Kirk Cousins from the Falcons or trading for him.
24:16
But if they can, if they had the quarterback whisperer up there
24:19
in the North, then by George, do it.
24:21
So Garrett, follow up with with that.
24:24
So just to make sure I heard you correctly, so you said that you
24:27
don't think Sam Darnold's going to repeat his success, correct?
24:30
No, I don't think the answer. I would love for me to be wrong
24:32
and you guys to edit back to this whenever we win the Super
24:35
Bowl next year, but I don't think it's going to.
24:38
Happen. You're going to look like a bad
24:40
fan. If y'all win, everyone's going
24:42
to look like a bad fan. I would love to be wrong.
24:44
Whenever we signed him, I was in class and I was so happy.
24:48
And then I got home and it kind of wore off and I was like, oh.
24:50
So, guys, I'm going to go ahead and put it on the spreadsheet
24:52
that Sam Darnold and the Seahawks are winning the Super
24:55
Bowl. We heard you hear first from
24:56
Garrett. It's with the highest odds, so
24:58
if that happens you automatically win.
25:01
Hey, I saw something the last two times there's been a new
25:04
Pope. The following season of the NFL,
25:07
the Seattle Seahawks made the Super Bowl.
25:09
So. That's a fun fact.
25:11
That is incredibly fascinating. We got we got something on our
25:15
side this year. Yeah, OK, a Pope killer.
25:17
This everyone's from Chicago though, so yeah.
25:20
Does that mean any? Does that mean?
25:22
Yeah. More like that Pope.
25:23
Is probably still Seattle. Probably still Seattle.
25:25
First time ever 2 NFC teams make the Super Bowl.
25:27
Somehow, something wild goes on. They just changed the rules in
25:33
the playoffs. What do you let me ask?
25:35
What do you think of Jalen Melro?
25:38
If he works on his accuracy, I think he'd be special.
25:40
I love elusive quarterbacks. My favorite type of quarterback
25:44
to watch. I grew up watching people like
25:46
Cam Newton. I love elusive quarterbacks.
25:48
I will never forget the game. I think it was in the playoffs
25:52
like two years ago or something, whenever he was on the run and
25:54
he just ran in front of the mine of scrimmage.
25:56
He didn't know who's in front of the line of scrimmage.
25:58
He just started throwing the ball and flashed his friend
26:00
flying. If he can improve his pocket
26:03
awareness, I can see him being a good bridge quarterback, not a
26:06
kind of further down the line kind of quarterback.
26:08
I don't think he's going to be that kind of, Oh my gosh, we're
26:11
going to the Super Bowl kind of quarterback.
26:13
I don't see that. So you're you don't think he's
26:15
going to be like a Jalen Hurts or Lamar Jackson type?
26:18
No. I do, you do.
26:20
Avery actually picked him to. Have the best career of all the
26:23
quarterbacks in this draft class.
26:25
Really, I think he's going to. It may not.
26:28
It may not be this year just because I think that they've
26:32
paid Darnold enough to just be like, we're going to, we're
26:35
going to as long as he's healthy, we're going to see
26:36
where this goes with a full year.
26:38
But no, I think, I think Melrose is going to be special.
26:41
I would like the. Year he had previously at
26:44
Alabama, which wasn't great in his Senior Bowl.
26:47
So I have a couple stats to throw out in defense of Jaylen
26:49
Melrose. In two years as a starter at
26:51
Alabama, he actually completed 65% of his passes.
26:55
OK, which for as bad as everybody says his accuracy is,
26:58
65% is not bad. Now he did throw 17
27:02
interceptions in those two years, but he also threw 39
27:05
touchdowns. In one year he had 23 touchdowns
27:07
and six interceptions. The next year he had 16
27:10
touchdowns and 11 interceptions. So he actually got worse in his
27:13
touchdown to interception ratio, but that can be fixed.
27:17
Going back to Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson when they came
27:20
into the league, Jalen Hurts didn't play the entire his
27:24
entire rookie season, but in his rookie season the games he did
27:27
play he only completed 52% of his passes and he's gotten
27:30
consistently better throughout his career.
27:33
And now look at what he is Lamar Jackson.
27:35
In his first season, he only completed 58.2% of his passes
27:39
and then he's gotten consistently better as a passer.
27:42
So if Jalen Millroe can kind of follow that same trajectory, I
27:46
think he can be the future franchise quarterback for the
27:49
Seattle Seahawks. I mean, not better than Will
27:51
Howard, but I mean, I think that's just.
27:54
I don't hate Will Howard. Oh no, I am not a complete.
28:01
I know a lot of people are not. I am not a hater in Will Howard.
28:06
Is he going to be for all winning?
28:09
No, but I could see him taking the team to the playoffs.
28:12
Tim Tebow took the team to the playoffs.
28:13
OK, let's Rex Grossman. We talked about that last week.
28:16
Rex Grossman took a team all the way to the Super Bowl.
28:20
OK, it can't be that hard. I.
28:22
Mean he also has that Pittsburgh black magic over there.
28:24
Of losing in the first round at. Least 2 next man.
28:28
No secondary, Secondary. By marriage.
28:31
By marriage. The Steelers, the Steelers are
28:34
like, are like for me, are like your Panthers.
28:37
Oh. Yeah, I will root for the
28:40
Panthers every time I see them, except if they're playing
28:43
against Seattle, which they are playing in Carolina for the
28:45
first time since 2019 against Seattle.
28:47
And this is going to be the first Seattle game I go to on
28:49
December 27th. I went to the Panthers Seahawks
28:52
playoff game in Charlotte. This had to have been like 2015
28:56
or 16. Was it the year they the
28:58
Panthers went to the Super Bowl? Yeah, I remember.
29:00
The Seahawks just blew it. I think.
29:02
I even think I can't. Remember, if it was the seat it
29:04
might have, one of the teams was up.
29:06
I think it was the Panthers and then I can't remember.
29:09
I think it might have been the Seahawks.
29:10
They were just playing not to lose for like two quarters and
29:14
you just see that just that lead just dwindle.
29:17
My God, in real time. I remember because we got
29:20
heckled. It was me and Austin, it went,
29:22
we got heckled the whole way up on the way back.
29:26
No one said a word to us. That's how bad the loss was.
29:29
They're like these guys are going through it.
29:31
I don't need to my. First Carolina, my first
29:35
Carolina game I went to, I was in like third grade, My dad took
29:38
us against Miami and we blew him out of the water 49 to 10.
29:41
And there was this Miami fan right behind us that left in
29:44
like the middle of the 3rd and it was.
29:46
It was a fun sight to see. I can only imagine how polite
29:49
everybody is over there for it. Which team?
29:52
Is the worst fan base that's off topic.
29:56
Eagles. Eagles, Eagles, Eagles, Yeah.
29:59
Snowballs. Or yeah or.
30:01
I have never met. In their stadium a.
30:05
Jail in their stadium. And a judge.
30:07
They have a jail and a judge in their own stadium.
30:10
It is the Eagles, there is no question.
30:11
It's just, it's just Philadelphia stuff.
30:13
They. Have to do that yeah just Philly
30:15
things right it's. Public safety.
30:17
Do y'all remember whenever New England and Philly played and
30:22
before the Super Bowl, New England started like waxing down
30:25
all their light poles because they were like, win or lose,
30:27
we're getting just like our city's being destroyed tonight.
30:29
We're not even Philly. They have to, yeah.
30:32
And. Then I lost.
30:33
And no one can climb up those poles.
30:35
They still do anyway. That's not true.
30:36
They still do. It's just a tense person instead
30:38
of the first person. Everyone, you're telling.
30:42
All the Vaseline off the poles. Exactly.
30:45
All that city funding going to greasing up the poles as in
30:50
world. War Z, it's just all the zombies
30:52
piling up and eventually just have a mass underneath them.
30:55
They can get up enough. People try to go up that pole,
30:58
Eventually it'll be dry. Shout out.
31:02
I would have to agree with Avery though.
31:04
I I do not like 49ers fans at all.
31:08
I think 49ers fans may be the most ignorant, and I know what
31:11
I'm saying and where I'm saying that.
31:13
I I think they may be the most ignorant, but I think Eagles
31:16
fans are the worst and there's a difference.
31:18
There's I can I can agree with that. 49ers fans are just
31:21
annoying because they make every player a 49ers Dodd I.
31:25
Mean it's because I grew up with them.
31:28
If you. Weren't a Seahawks fan in
31:29
Oregon, You were a Niners fan. I mean, unless you just had some
31:32
weird other allegiance, but. I don't remember the last time I
31:35
saw a Carolina fan in Carolina. We're we're so bad now that
31:40
every time I'm like, oh, do you like the Bengals or the Niners
31:44
or just some random team, everyone?
31:46
In North Carolina calls them the South Carolina Panthers like.
31:49
Just. Wash our hands of this.
31:52
After Cam Newton didn't die for that fumble in the Super Bowl,
31:55
they're just like, OK, it's time to hang it up.
31:57
Is TJ still a big Panthers fan? Yeah, I I'm pretty sure.
32:01
He just doesn't say it out loud. He doesn't say anything out
32:04
loud. Our cousin's mute.
32:09
He works at the movie theater, so he'd get free movie theater
32:12
tickets and he would he would use his free movie ticket to sit
32:16
on the end and then buy one next to him so no one could sit next
32:19
to. Him movie theater corruption.
32:21
I respect you also. Yeah, you got to do what you got
32:23
to do. He is still a Carolina fan cuz
32:25
he was talking. He was like Jalen Coker is
32:27
better than Jackson 5th and Jalen and he's just going on
32:29
this long rant about how everybody was better than
32:30
Jackson 5th and Jig though. OK, well, he doesn't know what
32:33
he's talking about. No, Hey TJ, he's a watching.
32:36
Probably. I can guarantee you that like
32:38
95% of NFL fans don't even know who Jalen Coker is.
32:42
Watching him bring back that tutty all the way to the house,
32:45
I didn't expect him to score on that play either.
32:48
He just brought it all the way well.
32:49
To be fair, nobody, nobody expected the Panthers to score
32:53
on any play. True, including Bryce Young.
32:58
The the Panthers top three wide receivers, 2 of them being on
33:02
drafted free agents is amazing. They should be able to.
33:05
If you have like consecutive abysmal seasons.
33:08
There should be a clause to like remove the owner.
33:11
It should be some move you. Need like when we talked about
33:14
you can't trade like your owners.
33:16
You can trade coaches, not owners, but there should be some
33:18
sort of clause where it's like, look like the city's going to do
33:21
this to you by force, just evict you right now.
33:25
Jerry Jones would have been long gone.
33:28
Oh yeah, he's never Jones would have been gone a long time.
33:31
He's never been consistently bad though.
33:33
That's the problem. He's bad and he's fine and he's
33:35
bad again. Or he.
33:37
Had There was all those, there was all those seasons where
33:40
Jason Garrett went. Yeah, I was going to say there's
33:42
a 10 years of Jason Garrett where we were just extreme
33:44
mediocrity. The.
33:46
Best mediocre team you could find?
33:48
You can't get better because you keep doing OK all.
33:53
Right, let's get back to the Seahawks.
33:55
If we have to, OK. So, OK.
34:00
All right, Garrett, so another question for you.
34:03
So considering all the moves that the Seahawks have made in
34:05
their wide receiver room this season, do you think the
34:08
Seahawks got better or worse at wide receiver?
34:11
To start off, I love cup. I've always loved Cup.
34:15
He was on the Rams so I hated him, but I secretly loved him.
34:18
I loved watching him play, watching him play against US.
34:21
One of our biggest struggles is in the red zone.
34:23
Couple is more effective than DK was in the red zone last year.
34:26
I love Tory Horton from Colorado State, maybe a little biased
34:29
because one of my really good friends goes to Colorado State,
34:30
but I still love Tory Horton as wide receiver himself.
34:33
I think we did get slightly worse losing DK because I love
34:37
Jackson but don't get me wrong. But I feel like part of the
34:40
reason that he had such great success was DK is just an
34:43
athletic freak that he was just getting double teamed every
34:46
time. Takes some men off him.
34:48
But I think if Jason can really lock in that wide receiver one
34:53
position top can really fill in that two.
34:57
I think we also got bout as scantling.
34:59
I think he's going to be the three.
35:01
I love Bobo, every Seattle fan loves Bobo.
35:03
He was a great red zone threat for us.
35:06
So again, all we showed them in the red zone moving on from Gino
35:10
going to Sam Darnold and then moving on from DK going to Cup.
35:13
I think we're really going to improve where we're struggling
35:15
the most, which is most of what we can hope for.
35:17
But I think we did get slightly worse by the Super wise for now.
35:21
But I think in the future Tori Horton, JSN, they're going to be
35:24
a solid budget in the future. But stating now, I think we got
35:28
slightly worse. Out of all the players and
35:31
coaches that Seattle lost, which which one hurts the most?
35:35
I get one Seattle Seahawk jersey a year for Christmas. 2 years
35:39
ago was DK Metcalf so that's one year just wasted.
35:44
So I loved DK love him to death. Now he gets to.
35:47
Go play with Will Howard, the next MVP of.
35:50
I know, I know of the. Year you watch your mouth.
35:53
Side comment I randomly just remembered this.
35:56
The starting middle linebacker for the Seattle Seahawks,
35:58
Earnest Jones. The Fort follows me back on
36:00
Instagram. What I commented on one of his
36:04
posts because he posted about him and his wife having a baby
36:06
and I was like ah Congrats. Just I never, I never comment on
36:09
any posts. It's just the one that I
36:10
commented on and I wake up to notification saying that he
36:13
followed me back so. Are you sure that's legit?
36:17
It is. I have like triple checked.
36:20
I'm going to go look him up now and just comment on his post and
36:22
just say Congrats regardless of what the.
36:25
Post is he follows you back. He's followed by Seattle.
36:30
I mean, he's verified. I'm 99% sure it's in.
36:34
I have a player who has a ring following on Instagram right now
36:37
so. The guy that followed him also
36:39
said that he's in some financial straits and needs 500.
36:42
Dollars in. Amazon gift cards straighten out
36:45
his situation. Click this link.
36:50
If you know for one of those, I have Geno Smith with me right
36:54
here. He also says he wants some
36:55
money. All right.
37:00
Next question for you, Garrett. Which NFC West rival do you hate
37:04
the most and why? The 49ers, because of their
37:07
fans, they think that they are just the best team ever.
37:10
And then they for a short piece of time, we're the best team
37:12
ever. And then they lost the Super
37:14
Bowl. So you know.
37:15
Just to throw this out there, they haven't won a Super Bowl in
37:18
a longer amount of time than the Dallas Cowboys.
37:21
Yeah, eat it. I have been to three but they
37:24
haven't won it. When you've been there, yeah.
37:26
OK, pal. OK.
37:28
Yeah, I think their downfall will be extending party for as
37:31
much as they extended 10/4. Agreed.
37:34
All right. Well, couple last questions here
37:36
and then we will wrap this up. So Will actually has a question
37:40
from one of our fans who is a Seattle Seahawks fan that he
37:43
wanted us to ask you. Is this from Garrett?
37:47
Yeah, it's I have myself. Requested.
37:49
So I openly talk about this show.
37:53
I usually leave the name out, but openly talk about that, do
37:57
this show at work. And I've got a guy who has seen
38:00
every episode and messages me every Wednesday asking when the
38:05
new episode's going to be out. He wants to know.
38:08
And let's start with the easy one.
38:09
Top five favorite Seahawks players of all time.
38:12
And if you say Sean Alexander, I'm going to know you're lying.
38:17
Top five Bobby Wagner command number.
38:21
One Wagner 5 or one? Are we ranking them?
38:25
No order, just just name five players that you probably can
38:28
name. Bobby.
38:29
Wagner will inevitably ask which one is top, but go.
38:32
Ahead, Bobby Wagner, Marshawn Lynch, Richard Sherman, Russell
38:37
Wilson, Steeler. And got to go with my boy who
38:44
follows me back, Ernest Jones, The Force.
38:46
Checks out. He can.
38:48
I love him, but he's not up there.
38:50
My favorite being Russell Wilson.
38:52
He is Mr. Unlimited. Watching prime Russell Wilson
38:56
was the best experience I think I will ever have in my life.
39:00
Oh. Three years.
39:01
Oh. Watching him throw that
39:03
interception, the Super Bowl was pretty great, too.
39:05
Watching him audible out of it cuz everybody's like why would
39:08
Pete Carroll call that but Russell Wilson audible out of a
39:10
run into a pass. Can't win them all, especially
39:13
that one, even though it's very winnable.
39:15
That's not the point. Next question here.
39:21
Do you feel nervous about the shake up Mike McDonald's done in
39:24
the offseason so far? And we've kind of talked about
39:26
this a bit, but what what do you think it's going to take to
39:30
become an actual contender for Seattle?
39:33
What's an actual contender? Yeah.
39:35
So so do you feel, how do you feel about the current shake up
39:38
Mike McDonald's doing and what is it going to take to become an
39:41
actual contender? Mike McDonald is a very big
39:45
Defensive Monday coach. He brought us from kind of a
39:47
bottom tier defense to a really, really amazing defense to what I
39:52
think we will become. We ranked 14th this year, but we
39:55
also placed 23rd overall in offense, placing 8th in passing,
39:59
28th in rushing. It also kind of depends on our
40:01
general manager. He's come out multiple times and
40:03
said he doesn't want to spend a lot of money on a guard that's
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just going to protect the quarterback.
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I love the Grays able pick though, getting an offensive
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lineman that's not just going to protect the quarterback like
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thinks it's going to do, but also bumping up that 28th and
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rushing to helping protect Kenneth Walker the 3rd and Zach
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Chardnay in the rushing game is really really going to help us
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improve a lot. I also love the one of our
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second round picks. Nick even worry from South
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Carolina ran a 43840 time placed second in all safeties this year
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by point O1 to Mark waste single sigil.
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I cannot pronounce the safety who ran faster than him.
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I don't even. I suck at pronouncing names.
40:42
Kind of like Will. There hasn't.
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Been any. Sheepers.
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Pal, I was going to say, there hasn't been any lack of
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mispronunciations on this show, so.
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It's asking solid questions and catching strays in the answer 1.
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Of the biggest concerns that I hear about Grey's label is that
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he played it North Dakota State, which is AD 2 school.
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But there are two notable 2 notable NFL players.
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At least. The only two notable ones I
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could find that played there were Christian Watson and Carson
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Wentz. That's not a great list.
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I'm I could not be happier you didn't bring up Trey Lance.
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I was for sure you were going to say Trey Lance, but Nope.
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Nope. We're going to stay away from
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Trey Lance for a second. I also think this is going to be
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a Byron Murphy, the second kind of explosive kind of year.
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Our first round pick last year. I love this pick out of Texas.
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A lot of people said that he was kind of like an Aaron Donald 2
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point OI don't think he'll be that good, but he ate up a
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massive amount of blocks this year to make way for people like
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Hankins, you know, boy Mafay, Leonard Williams obviously kind
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of been a more rotational player, but I think once he kind
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of steps up to the plate, he's going to just get to the
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quarterback every single play, kind of like a Miles Garrett,
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he's going to play defensive tackle.
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So Leonard Williams is also getting a little old.
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So that's one address for that's kind of going to be gone.
42:18
We fired our offensive coordinator, which I am
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extremely happy that we did, and then we took New Orleans
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offensive coordinator Clint Kubiak.
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Kubiak, Kubiak, thank you. Would I have had him over some
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amazing other offensive wonder? No.
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But I believe for us and our system, he is the best one that
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was available for us. He knows how to manage run game
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like he did with Alvin Kamara. He's going to do with Chardonnay
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and Kenneth Walker. And I think he can also really
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kind of settle us into that passing game, especially Sam
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Darnold being new into our team. I think if we can bolster up the
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offensive line a little bit, kind of start feeding Kenneth
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Walker, Chardonnay a little bit more, getting that from 28th and
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rushing up a little bit. That is abysmal for spending two
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straight second round picks on running backs.
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If Tori Horton, Marquez, Marquez, Valdez, Scantling Gosh
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and Cooper Cup play how expecting to play, I think we'll
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have no problem at least making a seven seed this year.
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OK will what's your coworkers name?
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Joey Case, Joey. Thanks for your question.
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Oh yeah. Not even just the first.
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Nope, I want him to know pure love for me.
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Joey. Joey, we.
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Appreciate your questions. It's the first fan question
43:34
we've had on this show. So we appreciate you you you
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reaching out and giving those questions to will for us to
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answer on the show. All right, Garrett, last thing
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here. So this isn't necessarily a
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question, but I want to do this record prediction.
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So I'm just going to go through the schedule for the Seahawks
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and I want you just to tell us. You don't tell us why.
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Just tell us. Win or loss on each game.
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So Week 1, home versus the 49ers, that's a loss.
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OK. Week 2 at the Steelers.
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It's a win. Week 3 Home versus the Saints.
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The Saints, I think it's a win. Week 4 at.
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Cardinals, that's a win week. Five home versus the Bucks
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that's. Going to be close.
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I'm going to go lost. Week 6 at Jags.
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When? Week 7 at or Week 7 is versus
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the Texans at home. I'm going to go lost.
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And the Seahawks aren't good at home, are they?
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They did terrible at home this year.
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They won far more games on the road than at home this year.
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All right, Week 8 is a bye, Week 9 is at Commanders.
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That's a loss. Week 10 at home versus the
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Cardinals. That's a win, not lost the
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Cardinals in four years. Week 11 at the Rams.
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At Rams, I'm going to go lost. Week 12 at Titans, That's a win.
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Week 13 at home versus the Vikings.
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I'm going to say JJ McCarthy does exactly what I expect to do
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this year and kind of go off a little bit.
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So I'm going to say it's a loss week. 14 at Falcons.
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Hit that as a win. Week 15 at home versus the
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Colts. That's a win.
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Week 16 at home versus the Rams. That's a win.
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Just barely, though. Week 17 at Carolina.
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That's a win. And Week 18 at 49ers.
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That's a win, OK. So let me tell you this up here.
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So we've got 123567891011 wins, 6 losses.
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That's 11:00 and 6:00 and. Yeah, Oh yeah, with.
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Your wins and losses over your divisional rivals there.
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You have more in the West. I think they can do it.
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I think with the Niners losing drag, Greenlaw and Hufunga, they
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kind of their defense kind of dies down a little bit.
45:36
Them trading away Debo was kind of a need, but if he goes off in
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Washington, it'll be kind of sad for them.
45:42
Cardinals, no reason other than we haven't lost them in four
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years. I don't expect to now.
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And Rams, we always have trouble against them, but we always do
45:50
better on the road because Seattle fans always sell their
45:54
tickets so. OK, well we have a Seahawks fan
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in our sports podcasting group on Instagram.
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He predicts the Seahawks to go 12:00 and 5:00.
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I think Max 12 and 5 minimum like 8 and 9 minimum.
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I'm going to put that on our spreadsheet.
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Oh, yeah, that's a prediction. OK, well, there you have it.
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Seahawks are going 11 and 6. They're going to win the NFC
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West. That's all we have time for on
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the show today. Another big thank you to Garrett
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for coming on and being our guest today and talking about
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the Seahawks with us. We appreciate it.
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Stay tuned for next week with more NFL talk.
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We will be back. And as always, don't forget to
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keep your balls played with. We'll see you next time.
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Also, Mark Davis's haircut still sucks.