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Huddle Up | Top Five on Bucky's Final Mock Draft · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up Rocks by the Fields Total Group.
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  Speaker 1: Jaguar Senior writer John Osher, NFL Network analyst and former
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  Speaker 1: Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and senior reporter JP Shadwick bring you
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  Speaker 1: the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: Huddle Up starts right now and welcome in.
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  Speaker 3: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks is brought to you by
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  Speaker 3: Fields Auto Group, Jacksonville c Fields First, Jacksonville's premiere luxury
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  Speaker 3: auto group. Go to Fieldsauto dot com. JP Shadrick with
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  Speaker 3: John Oser, We're at the Hondai Studios inside the Miller
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  Speaker 3: Electric Center. Bucky Brooks is in Los Angeles and we
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  Speaker 3: are closing in on the NFL Draft for twenty twenty five. Bucky,
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  Speaker 3: good afternoon.
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  Speaker 4: What's that nflas how you doing a couple of sleeps
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  Speaker 4: before the draft and before.
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  Speaker 2: We bring in some new Jaguars. So that's that's exciting.
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  Speaker 3: John has fired up Bucky.
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  Speaker 2: Look man, this is the custom. Yeah, this week has
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  Speaker 2: to be everything that John lives for.
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  Speaker 4: You got Mini camp going, you got the draft coming up,
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  Speaker 4: you got a little bit of now, you got a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of the future.
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  Speaker 2: What else could you want?
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's it's happening. It is happening, and there's ten picks.
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  Speaker 5: Hopefully they trade down Bucky and get that number to
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  Speaker 5: about fourteen. That's my ideal draft. It's about fourteeneen with
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  Speaker 5: about eleven on Saturday.
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  Speaker 6: I see that's a great draft.
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  Speaker 4: That is a great draft, And I in preparation for
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  Speaker 4: the podcast, I did a little research where The Athletic
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  Speaker 4: had a great piece that featured our own James glass
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  Speaker 4: Stone from a couple of years ago, where they did
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  Speaker 4: a thing called Finding Rams and it was a deep
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  Speaker 4: dive in the RAMS scouting process that led them to
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  Speaker 4: draft their guys last year. And looking at that, it
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  Speaker 4: gave me a little insight in terms of how glass
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  Speaker 4: Stone and the staff may look at the process.
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  Speaker 2: And they were.
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  Speaker 4: Very intentional about eliminating kind of group think, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of anonymous surveys, a lot of things designed to get
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  Speaker 4: the real opinion out so you know, if guys really
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  Speaker 4: fit the brand and the culture and those things. So
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited to see how it plays out because the
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  Speaker 4: Rams were very successful finding guys in all stages of
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  Speaker 4: the draft. They were able to find starters in the third, four, fifth,
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  Speaker 4: and sixth rounds and so I want to see if
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  Speaker 4: some of that secret sauce they.
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  Speaker 2: Glasstone used with them, some of that works down in
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  Speaker 2: North Florida.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm.
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  Speaker 5: I will say this, after thirty years of doing the draft,
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  Speaker 5: I am looking forward to that element of it, Bucky,
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  Speaker 5: because I haven't I haven't watched that before, and I
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  Speaker 5: think that is gonna be fascinating this weekend. I think
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  Speaker 5: that's a major storyline, is how Gladstone's philosophy and it's
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  Speaker 5: not just him, but how that permeates the organization and
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  Speaker 5: what that looks like it to see it, you know,
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  Speaker 5: as you're writing this or as we're talking about it
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  Speaker 5: next week, will we be able to see that theme
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  Speaker 5: running through the class.
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  Speaker 2: I think we will. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think we should give I want to give everyone
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  Speaker 4: a little homework, like everyone to deep dive in the process.
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  Speaker 4: So any athletic come on homework is fine. Jordan REVRII
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  Speaker 4: she was the one that wrote it. But it was
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  Speaker 4: a fascinating two part piece and it talked about the analytics.
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  Speaker 4: It talked about the profiling systems that they use. It
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  Speaker 4: talked about how they get to the heart of the prospects.
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  Speaker 4: It also revealed why they don't do thirty visits to
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  Speaker 4: not kind of tip their hand in terms of who
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  Speaker 4: they like, but they go a different way where they
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  Speaker 4: use the scouts to either meet prospects in their hometowns
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  Speaker 4: or within their schools, because you can be there within
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  Speaker 4: like you can have a visit within fifty miles of
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  Speaker 4: your school or your hometown, So it allows you to
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  Speaker 4: do some of the things that you would do at
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  Speaker 4: a thirty visit without the lead ignoring exactly who you're
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  Speaker 4: on what you're thinking the guys in a more comfortable environment,
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  Speaker 4: you're able to not only get them on the board
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  Speaker 4: and see what their football stuff is, but you really
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  Speaker 4: around them a lot. And they haven't fully baked out
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  Speaker 4: the staff that I think the way they will do
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  Speaker 4: it when he's able to after the draft kind of
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  Speaker 4: put it together. But a lot of their over the
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  Speaker 4: top guys, a lot of their senior scouts, who either
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  Speaker 4: have coaching backgrounds or playing backgrounds, do a real deep
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  Speaker 4: dive on the prospects and they report back and it's
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  Speaker 4: really impactful in terms of how they view prospects and
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  Speaker 4: who they deem to be the good fits or not.
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  Speaker 3: Bucky, as you mentioned, we're two sleeps away from the
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  Speaker 3: NFL Draft. What's your feeling right now? Of the top four?
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  Speaker 3: Are they pretty much locked in? Could there be something
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  Speaker 3: dramatic that happens ahead of number five? And you know
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  Speaker 3: the number five? If the four are locked in, five
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  Speaker 3: could be where it swings the entire top half of
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  Speaker 3: the first round for the Jags.
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  Speaker 4: Right, I'm pretty confident, but I put an asterisk by
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  Speaker 4: the third overall pick, the New York Giants. I'm pretty
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  Speaker 4: confident that the first two names to go off the
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  Speaker 4: bord are gonna be Cambwood and Travis Hunter. I'm about
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  Speaker 4: sixty forty on the number three pick the Giants taken
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  Speaker 4: Abdul Carter. The only thing to me that could upset
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  Speaker 4: that is if the owner was like, I want a quarterback,
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  Speaker 4: and I want a quarterback now. Like to me, that
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  Speaker 4: would be the thing that sets it off. Patriots at four.
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  Speaker 4: I feel pretty good that, like, unless something happens where
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  Speaker 4: a if should Dour Sanders or the second quarterback goes
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  Speaker 4: at three, then they probably would flip and take up
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  Speaker 4: to a quarter at four. If not, Will Campbell appears
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  Speaker 4: to be the guy. And then at five, the board
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  Speaker 4: is wide open and the Jaguars is gonna have to
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  Speaker 4: make a choice on what.
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  Speaker 2: Do they want.
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  Speaker 4: Do they want the blue chip prospect because I think
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  Speaker 4: they're only five in there. I've named most of them already.
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  Speaker 4: But you're gonna have ask Gent there. You can have
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  Speaker 4: Mason Graham there, you can have Jaylen Walker there, Jamon
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  Speaker 4: Walker there. Like to me, that's it in terms of
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  Speaker 4: the blue chip guys, and then you get to the
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  Speaker 4: very good players. So but it apeears to be like
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  Speaker 4: pretty static, and it'd be like that until they started,
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  Speaker 4: and someone's gonna do something silly to throw it all off.
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  Speaker 5: So so in your opinion, Tyler Warren not blue chip.
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  Speaker 4: Mm hmm, he's in that category. I mean, like he's
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  Speaker 4: a blue chip. So I wouldn't put Mason grind. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't have Mason Graham in that surefire thing got you.
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  Speaker 4: And so the five that I would have Travis Hunter,
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  Speaker 4: Abdull Carter Gent, then Walker and Warren like those are
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  Speaker 4: the guys that will be there.
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  Speaker 2: But I would say Mason Graham is close.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm gonna say this, the guy that is really
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  Speaker 4: close and we haven't talked about him a lot, the
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  Speaker 4: Walker Nolan from Ole Miss. He's another one that people
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  Speaker 4: are buzzing on and he could go a lot sooner
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  Speaker 4: than people have talked about.
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  Speaker 3: It's Travis Hunter, the type that you can would even
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  Speaker 3: consider packaging something to try to move up, like if
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  Speaker 3: you think he's a slam duncan two. And let's say,
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  Speaker 3: for example, this team really really wants him. What what
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  Speaker 3: is the market for that?
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  Speaker 2: A lot?
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  Speaker 4: Because the team, the team, the team up there, Cleveland
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  Speaker 4: likes him. Uh, Cleveland already kind of tipped a hand
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  Speaker 4: and saying that they like him as a wide receiver
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  Speaker 4: first over a defensive back.
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  Speaker 2: He's unique in terms of just what he brings to
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  Speaker 2: the table.
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  Speaker 4: Look at it's the first time I've ever graded someone
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  Speaker 4: number one at two positions, number one at wide receiver.
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  Speaker 2: Number one at corner.
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  Speaker 4: It's the first time that we're legitimately seeing a two
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  Speaker 4: way player. The only one that I can say close
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  Speaker 4: to that was Champ Bailey because Champ Bailey's final season
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  Speaker 4: at he pretty much played full time at wide receiver
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  Speaker 4: or whatever. Charles Wilson dibbled and dabbled. Other guys that
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  Speaker 4: dibbled and dabbled. This dude is a legitimate two way player.
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  Speaker 4: He is doing what you do at bowls high school.
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  Speaker 4: What you do at rain It's like, hey, you play,
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  Speaker 4: you get some water, and you come back and play
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  Speaker 4: on the other side, Like we've never seen anything like
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  Speaker 4: this show Atani is how people that made the comparison.
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  Speaker 4: That's what the general manager of the Browns talked about,
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  Speaker 4: and in a way, that's who he is. But the
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  Speaker 4: Otani comparison I think is interesting because I think it
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  Speaker 4: speaks to how you really need to play him. So
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  Speaker 4: when people make the reference to Otani, they talk about
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  Speaker 4: what he pitches, and he hiss, but he pitches every
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  Speaker 4: five days. He doesn't pitch every day. So with Travis Hunter,
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  Speaker 4: to me, it's a little bit of that. He plays
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  Speaker 4: full time one spot, part time at another spot. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think you want to play him one hundred percent
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  Speaker 4: on both sides of the ball, but he certainly can
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  Speaker 4: be a man and a half player full time one way,
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  Speaker 4: time the other way, and you still get a lot
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  Speaker 4: of contributions from on both sides of the ball.
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  Speaker 3: Toy comparison real quick John, But then he gets hurt
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  Speaker 3: and he can't pitch for a year, so you're losing
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  Speaker 3: a spot.
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  Speaker 4: There, and they still won the World Series because because
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  Speaker 4: he was he was available or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I think I don't think we can get caught
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  Speaker 4: up in like the hurt factor and whatever. Anybody can
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  Speaker 4: get hurt. All these guys like run the risk of
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  Speaker 4: getting hurt. I think what you want to do is
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  Speaker 4: And the reason why I would say Travis is different.
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  Speaker 2: He never stopped doing the two way thing.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of the guys, when we propose the two
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  Speaker 4: way thing, the two way in high school, they go
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  Speaker 4: one way in college and then oh, let's go two
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  Speaker 4: way again. He never stopped that process. Now at Jackson State,
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  Speaker 4: not a Colorado, this is all he knows. Well, if
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  Speaker 4: if this is all he knows, he certainly understands it.
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  Speaker 4: And also I will say this about the kid and
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  Speaker 4: everybody that I know that knows him, that's been around him,
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  Speaker 4: he only cares about a few things. He cares about ball,
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  Speaker 4: and he cares about fishing. He doesn't have any other
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  Speaker 4: hobbies outside of that. So if he's not at the facility,
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  Speaker 4: he's gonna be at your lake, your pond fishing. That's
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  Speaker 4: what he does. And to me, I'm all in on
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  Speaker 4: someone who is really all about ball in debt regard,
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  Speaker 4: and so I would give him every opportunity to do it.
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  Speaker 4: I still think you can protect him against himself by
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  Speaker 4: as we say packages. So if he's a full time
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  Speaker 4: wide receiver, let's put him on the field on third
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  Speaker 4: down on defense so he.
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  Speaker 2: Can play nickel or dime.
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  Speaker 4: Or if he's full time on defense, let's make him
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  Speaker 4: the wide receiver three, wide receiver four on offense. To me,
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  Speaker 4: it comes down to the coach thinking out of the
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  Speaker 4: box and being really creative. I can tell you now
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  Speaker 4: it's a high school coach. I figured out, I can
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  Speaker 4: figure out. I figure out how to play him. Hey,
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  Speaker 4: you tired, buddy, go go sit down when we need
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  Speaker 4: to play Travis.
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  Speaker 2: Come on here. It's not that hard. Don't make it.
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  Speaker 2: Don't make it hard.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there are a bunch of high school coaches
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  Speaker 4: in Jacksonville that can figure out how to use them
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  Speaker 4: two ways. I think if anything, can go knock on
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  Speaker 4: some doors and say, hey, guys, how would you use
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  Speaker 4: this displayer?
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  Speaker 2: How would you maximize as.
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  Speaker 5: Telling yeah, I only have two thoughts on Travis Hunter.
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  Speaker 5: One of them I'm not even sure I'm right on,
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  Speaker 5: which wouldn't be a surprise.
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  Speaker 2: JP.
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  Speaker 5: It's uh, but you know, does the two way position
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  Speaker 5: and I don't think it's as much of a concern
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  Speaker 5: as if they were a two a lineman. Does playing
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  Speaker 5: two ways over the course of time take a toll
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  Speaker 5: and wear a guy down or shortened career. I don't
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  Speaker 5: necessarily think so, but since we haven't seen it before,
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  Speaker 5: I think it's something to wonder. But as far as
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  Speaker 5: the other tiny thing, I think that's a key thing
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  Speaker 5: because for years people sort of went along and assumed,
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  Speaker 5: you know, if you I was a baseball fan growing up,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not really now, but if you told me five
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  Speaker 5: years ago, could somebody do this? Or or before he
• 11:52
  Speaker 5: came on the radar ten years ago, JP, you're a
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  Speaker 5: baseball guy, everybody in baseball has said no way, Like
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  Speaker 5: you wouldn't have even aught written.
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  Speaker 6: That down as a possibility.
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  Speaker 5: And now this guy's, from what I understand the best
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  Speaker 5: at both right like he's well, is that maybe what
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  Speaker 5: we're looking at to where you have to back up
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  Speaker 5: and say, hey, hey, John, just because you thought five
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  Speaker 5: years ago this could never happen, maybe he can go
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  Speaker 5: and play all play like you have to sometimes back
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  Speaker 5: up from thinking and maybe all this previous thinking is wrong.
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  Speaker 4: Well, as the resident Dodger fan on the podcast, I
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  Speaker 4: can tell you that Tony has been able to do it,
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  Speaker 4: but I would say that even then, there's been some
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  Speaker 4: conversation about Otany, like, hey, rather than use him as
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  Speaker 4: a starter, why not use him out of the bullpen?
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  Speaker 4: Like why not preserve him a little bit? So, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: we're getting the two way thing. But let's see if
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  Speaker 4: we can do it in a smarter way. Let's make
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  Speaker 4: him a middle reliever, Let's make him a closer. Let's
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  Speaker 4: use him differently than Hey, we need to give you
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  Speaker 4: the ball and you're gonna go five or six innings.
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  Speaker 2: There are different ways to do it.
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  Speaker 4: I think we travel center at a time now where
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  Speaker 4: we have all the GPS, the testing, we have all
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  Speaker 4: the data. You can actually look at how much his
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  Speaker 4: workload was during the week, during the game, and then
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  Speaker 4: Taylor his practice time during the week to make sure
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  Speaker 4: that he's fresh. There are so many different ways and
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  Speaker 4: so many advancements when it comes to the data tracking
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  Speaker 4: and all of that. I think it's the best time
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  Speaker 4: now to be able to take a player like that
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  Speaker 4: and also understand this. The college game operates at a
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  Speaker 4: much faster clip than the pro game. I think on offense,
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  Speaker 4: in the college game, they'd getting up to eighty ninety
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  Speaker 4: snaps some games. The pro game at the top of
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  Speaker 4: the ladder, you're talking about maybe seventy five offensive snaps
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  Speaker 4: most people, most teams settle in at sixty to sixty four. Well,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we're almost cutting his load by a third
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  Speaker 4: just in changing the game. And then if you carefully
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  Speaker 4: pick and choose when you utilize him and those things,
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  Speaker 4: there are ways to do it, and there's ways to
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  Speaker 4: maximize it.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I'm just fascinated.
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  Speaker 4: I know he would create not only buzz in the sands,
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  Speaker 4: but when you have one as special as as he is,
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  Speaker 4: and the plays that he has made throughout his time
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  Speaker 4: at Jackson State and Colorado Man, why wouldn't you want
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  Speaker 4: to tap into it.
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  Speaker 3: Think about the number of snaps here that he played
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  Speaker 3: last season fifteen hundred and fifty two total snaps last year,
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  Speaker 3: seven hundred and fifty three on offense, seven to seventy
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  Speaker 3: six on defense, oh in twenty three on special teams
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  Speaker 3: as well.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they stopped the clock for five minutes after every
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  Speaker 5: first down in college not anymore.
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  Speaker 2: That rule changed. That rule change.
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  Speaker 3: They have a running clock now, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And independent Now the thing is he did have an injury.
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  Speaker 4: He missed some games last year, so then you divide
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  Speaker 4: that by the number of games that he played in
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  Speaker 4: those days. I do believe that there would be times
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  Speaker 4: I would say this, you pick and choose the way
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  Speaker 4: that you utilize them based on the opponent. Every week
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  Speaker 4: may not be a week that he is This might
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  Speaker 4: be a week like, hey, let's dial it back. We
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  Speaker 4: may not need him as much on offense, we may
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  Speaker 4: not need him as much on defense based on the opponent.
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  Speaker 4: And that's not being disrespectful, but it's just being smart.
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  Speaker 4: Given the matchups and those things. I'm fascinated about it. It
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  Speaker 4: would be uh man, it would be so much fun
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  Speaker 4: to see him in a Jaguars uniform to see what
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  Speaker 4: he can do. But it's gonna be expensive to be
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  Speaker 4: able to get that, uh, that young man to Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 2: Please pray segment. But we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see if we can send this segment to another
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  Speaker 3: team that gets him.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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• 16:01
  Speaker 3: that name's still floating around everywhere, Bucky, And the last
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks we've talked, you've fired that name out
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  Speaker 3: there a little bit more often. John, you're hearing it
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  Speaker 3: everywhere too. I mean, that's kind of been the hot
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  Speaker 3: topic the last couple of weeks. The Genty there, running
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  Speaker 3: back of the Boise State who finished second to Travis
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  Speaker 3: Hunter and the Heisman Trophy balloting last year, only a
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  Speaker 3: little over two hundred points behind him, fairly close. That
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  Speaker 3: Genty could be there and could be a game changing
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  Speaker 3: type of player. But that's not going to change now,
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  Speaker 3: Bucky if you think that way already. But this is
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  Speaker 3: this is a player that could could be there and
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  Speaker 3: be ready, be ready to go and be there at
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: number five.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, he could be there, and so like I
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: had to make the comparison.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: People have talked.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: About ceilings and floors at his best, who could he
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: be at his worst? Who do you expect him to be.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: I would say at his I made a projection that
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: he would be like Ladani and Thomlinson. At his worst,
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: he could be Josh Jacobs if you think about the
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: impact that those two guys have had in the league,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: won a Hall of Fame, with the other one a
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: rushing champ. I would be okay with that. And the
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: reason why is with three years, we've seen Trevor and
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: we've had this office kind of run through Trevor, which
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: is great, but I would love to see how Trevor
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: is able to operate if he didn't have to be
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: the driving force and he was more of the managerial type.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: And I know people get.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: Hung up on the money and fifty million dollars for
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: someone that you're asking to manage the game. No, but
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: you're paying him the money because with your franchise quarterback,
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: their belief is not that he has to do it
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: for all seventeen games, is that he needs to be
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: special for five to six games. Well, if we can
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: lighten the load and have someone else that can take
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: some of that burden off of him in terms of
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: having to be great each week, it really opens it
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: up for everybody else. I just know that when you
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: have an elite running back in the backfield, it changes
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: the way that defenses.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Have to deal with the offense.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: And if we want Brian Thomas Junior to continue to
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: have explosive plays down the field, if you want to
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: see where Brenton Strange can do, if we want to
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: see what some of these other playmakers can do.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: When you put an.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Elite running back in the backfield, now you get more
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: one on one opportunities, more deep balls, more explosive plays,
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: and you have an opportunity to control with the clock.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: And if we start following the Brad crumbs in terms
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: of Liam Cohn and where he came from and the
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: centers of influence, the Rams were at their best when
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: Todd Gurley.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Was Offensive Player of the Year. When Todd Gurley was the.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: Offensive Player of the Year, it allowed Jared Golf to
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: look like and play like a pro Bowl player. So
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: to me, it's not a disc to Trevor anybody else,
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: but by bringing in another talented player, it actually may
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: unlock some of the things that we haven't seen from
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: the quarterback.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm I may have said this on this show before,
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: but I'm an absolute JP we talked football enough. I'm of
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: the school thought not a running back in the first
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: round guy, But.
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: That's a philosophy.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: But you can't get tied into well, I believe this,
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: and so when the pick is there, if Anshton Genty
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: is that much better and you think he you know,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: say it's Mason Graham and Eshton Jenny, theoretically, I would
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: definitely take the defensive tackle if he's dominant out of that,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: Out of those two, I would take the offensive lineman
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: if I thought he was, you know, a ten, whatever
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: your grading system is. If he's a ten and and
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: Genty's a ten, I take the lineman over that. But
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: if he's not, or if you're talking about where can
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: I get more special on the roster? To me, right now,
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: you've got Brian Thomas junior special. I think Trayvon Walker's
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: got that trait. I think josh heinz Allen is there.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: At times after that, you know, where's the hall of
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: Famer on the right?
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: Adding that, I always go back to the Eagles game
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: last year. The Jafferson Eagles weren't that much different that day,
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: except Saquon Barkley was a Hall of Fame talent and
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: Devontae Smith it was on that play looked like that
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: to me, those two plays made the difference in that game.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: I didn't see every Eagles game, but I guess that
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: I'm guessing that happened a lot. And they're gonna be
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: wearing rings in May. So if it's a chance, buck,
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: you know, sometimes people get locked into this, well we
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: need a defensive tackle at this spot, Well who's the
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: defensive tackle? And you don't take a running back at
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: this spot, Well who's the running back? So I think
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: you have to remember your drafting people and what's going
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: to happen on Sundays, And I get that the career
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: longevity might not be as long for running back. I
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: also go back outside Biselli, how often has this franchise
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: drafted a guy in the first round and he's given
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: you six or seven MVP type years. It's happy, But
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: you know, if the running back gives you that, are
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: you complaining? If he's Dereck Henry, are you complaining?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: So that's my thought on Yeah, so a few different things.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Talent trump's trends.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: So if the guy is talented, you don't worry about
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: the trends of all we can get someone.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Later or whatever.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Also, there's a difference I think when we talk about
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: like the talent has to match up, But there is
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: a difference between taking a Fred Taylor and a Greg
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Jones right because the rounds are different.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Like there's a difference.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: When you saw Fred Taylor show up immediately first snap
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: he goes to the house, You're like, Oh, that looks different.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Like that's what we're talking about when we're doing it.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: And so it's important that we're talking about the running back,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: particularly at five.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: He has to look like show that he has elite traits.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: And he can be a guy that you could close
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: your eyes and within the first two or three years
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: of his existence in the league, he is a top
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: two or three player.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: To me, genty shows that the other thing is on
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: a bigger level. You want to be great on one
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: side of the ball.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: That's the easiest way to kind of close the gap
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: on your division rivals and do it. So, if we
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: look at the way the team is presently constructed, the
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: closest way to get great is to focus on the
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: offense as opposed to the defense.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: It is easier to.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Go from being a middle to pack offense to be
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: in a top five offense than to go from being
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: thirty second in defense to oh, now we're going to
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: be a top five defense because we bring in a
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: defensive tackle. If we bring in Ashton genty and we
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: get the quarterback to play, you now can squint and say, like,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: at a minimum, we could be close to being a
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: top ten offense. And if you think about the way
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: when you were in Indianapolis working, you saw Manning and
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: what did Bill Pollion do.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Well, first they had Marshall Falk.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Then when he got rid of Marshall, they got Edrin James,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: which was controversial at the time, but he got him
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: with the top five pick, and you saw how that
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: impacted the offense. You also saw Bill polly in later
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: go down and get Joseph I. Dye, a first round
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: running back. If you're going to go all in on
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: the quarterback and based on how you paid them, you
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: have going all in. Well, now you've got to make
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: sure that you build up that side of the ball,
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: make sure you have talent on that side of the ball.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: You invest in that side of the ball, and then
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: on defense.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: You invest in pass rushers, and you got to figure
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: out a way for the coaches to develop the later
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: round picks to do it because all of the money
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: is going to go to offense and then your pass rushers.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: And to me, I think that's where we're going as
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: opposed to the way that we were trying to build
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: a squad.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, just to clarify that, Bill's philosophy on that, and
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: it's what sort of built those Colts teams. In the
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: Colts teams the Jaguars fans saw for ten years, his
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: thought was, if you're gonna have a franchise quarterback, which
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: which we believe Trevor is, then you better have a
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: first round left tackle, which they had in Tark Glenn,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: and you better have first round playmakers around him. And
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: they had Marvin Harrison, Reggie, Wayne Dallas Clark, and Edrin James.
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: All those guys what first round picks the first round.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: So now that's a way of doing it. But he
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: believed what you're talking about, Bucky, that hey, this is
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: what we are.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: We have committed to this.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: The defense is going to supplement the offense, but we're
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: going to have guys in the skill positions who are
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: first round blue chip talent who can beat single coverage
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: because you can't single coverage four guys. So if you have,
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: for if you have four first rounders, by theory, you're
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: going to be able to beat those matchups and you're
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: going to be good more often than not. So I
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: mean that fits into what we're talking about with Jenty.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: It would fit into do you go out and follow
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: that up with a second round receiver. I don't know
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: where they're going after that, but it might show you
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: where you're going with the draft picks. As long as
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: you have Trevor Lawrence and believe he's a franchise.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Quarterback and to back that up. So I was drafted
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: in Buffalo after Poland had just left. They go four
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: straight Super Bowls and on that team you had Jim Kelly,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, Andre Reid, Hall of Famer, Thurman Thrmer
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Thomas hall of Famer. They invested, they had offensive tackles,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: House Ballad and those guys like they were all about,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: if we're gonna do this, we're gonna go heavily with
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: the talent on offense.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: We had Bruce Smith on defense.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: But the money that we're going to commit is we're
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: gonna pay for pass rushers and then we're paying for
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: offensive playmakers and those things. And look, man, I watched
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: the Coats win a lot of games, and that I
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: watched the Coats remain in the title conversation every year
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: as long as Peyton Manning had those players a run,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: and it only went south when he got hurt. To me,
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: there's some thing to that, and if we even go
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: beyond it and we look at the way the Rams,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: and I think is important to look at Rams because
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: both those guys are heavily influenced by that time with
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: the Rams.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Jered Golf was number one overall pick.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Even though McVeigh didn't make the pick, he saved him
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Todd Gurley first round pick. You look at where they
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: put their weapons, their firepower. At one point they had
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Brandon Cooks, they had Robert Woods, they had Cooper cup
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Like they had interchangeable parts at wide receiver. But all
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: those guys were kind of high end talents, really good
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: offensive line.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: And then who did.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: They have on defense? They had Aaron Donald and Jalen
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Rams are the only guys that we really can name
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: off their defense. So to me, it appears that that
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: would be more like the way that the team would.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Be built if we just follow what the history has been.
• 26:46
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• 27:04
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• 27:08
  Speaker 3: You've been saying it, though, if you're going to rebuild
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: the offensive line at some point, you have to invest
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: picks in the offensive line as well as part of
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: this equation.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: That's what I said.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: It's it's uh the theory. If if there was a
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: great if BISSELLI wasn't sitting over there, if he was
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: sitting at Southern col right now, and you could get
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: him at number five or with their picking number two days,
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: I would say go with Bisel because he coming out he.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: Was that blue ship guy.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: I don't know that that is there in this draft.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: All respect to Will Campbell.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: Maybe he'll turn out to be that, but I don't
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: know that he's the dead solid lock no in that
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: So I think again, most people would say, Bucky that
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: Genty is a better prospect. I never heard anybody talk
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: about Will Campbell being in that top four or five,
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: So I think that's where you And again I don't
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: want to sound like I'm I'm trying to talk down
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: on Will campbellcause think he's go'd be great.
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: But if you're trying to figure that.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Out in this conversation, so many ozone questions I get,
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: or why don't they take offensive tackle? Well, you know,
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: offensive tackle isn't Tony Biselli, so you know, or that.
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: Level of player, if that level of player.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: Was there, I think they would definitely take an offensive
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: lineman because I'm I'm fully into what JP just said.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: At some point, if you're going to be line centric,
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: you have to start drafting those guys high. But you
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: wishing that there was somebody there like that doesn't make it.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: So no disrespect to a fellow legend, Luke jokel, but
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: we've seen that happen when you take someone who doesn't
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: it doesn't match up, you know in terms of like
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: oh wait a second overall pick, we need to take
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: a tackle, let's take them. Then you get he's disappointing.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: That's why the emphasis has to be on the talent.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: How talented is the player? Does the player have what
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: we call like gold jacket potential, you know, like Tony
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Poselli is the perfect embodiment of what a top pick is.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Supposed to look like.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: He is supposed to look like a Hall of Fame player,
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: and it should be very evident when they show up
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: when we're looking at and I say this, and I'm
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: being extremely like like I want to be respectful to
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: scouts in those things, but I'm be honest with you, like, hey,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: it ain't that hard. When you're looking at the player
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: on Saturdays and they pop and they're dominating college football.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Those are the guys that you want. I want a
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: dominant player that I can see it. It look, it's
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: Malcolm Gladwell's book, blink. It should happen right away. I
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: shouldn't have to look at eight games and like, oh,
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: well maybe he can. It should pop right away. That's
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: what we're talking about at number five. And let's think
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: about Jalen Ramsey, because I think Jalen was the last
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: number five pick that we had Jalen Ramsey first.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: To those things. That is how it needs to be.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: I don't want to have to take long to figure out, Oh,
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: we got one. He's a good player. That's how easy
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: it should be. And I will say this before we
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: move on. We talked a lot about asking genty and
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: the running back. I do wonder whether it's at five
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: or whether it's a trade back and move back and
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: maybe get a playmaker, another wide receiver opposite.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Opposite a Brian Thomas junior.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: And the only reason I'll say this is if we're
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: thinking about Trevor, because you want to keep Trevor in mind.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: If you go back and you look at Trevor's best
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: years at Clemson, he had big body, wide receivers that
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: expanded the strike zone, that could take the ball off
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: the rim. It was justin Ross and T Higgins. We
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: didn't get t Higgins in the off season. But if
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: you're thinking about how can we help this passing game go,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: how can we help Trevor? Maybe it's making sure that
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: after a couple of years of having smaller guys on
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: the perimeter, and I love Christian Kirk, maybe we go
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: get bigger guys and help him kind of be able
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: to do the things that he did at Clemson.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: To that end, what's your thought on McMillan, the Arizona
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: wide receiver.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: You know, it's funny, right, because I've gone up and
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: down on Ted McMillan, having known him because he's from
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: southern California, having coached him at events. He is one
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: of the more talented players that we found. He's a
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: volleyball player in high school. Everything is very easy to him.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Just natural six'.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Four when you watch the highlight, reel the catches like
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: he is a ball, catch much Like Brian Thomas junior
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: is a ball catch where you can look in the
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: game you're, like how in the world did he make that?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Catch, well That's ted.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: McMillan the thing that you worry about or that you
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: just wonder doesn't play with the urgency that some would.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: Play can't he get off press and refine the routes
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: in those? Things i've been argued, down BUT i, said
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: LIKE i looked At Mike evans And tampa for a
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: decade post a thousand yard, seasons because he's bigger and
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: stronger and faster than.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Everybody why Can't ted McMillan be that?
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Player and so if we talk about having A Mike
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: evans type on one, Side Brian Thomas junior on the other.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Side i'm really excited about.
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: That now at, five you just have to make sure
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: that when you're betting On ted mc millan at, FIVE
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: i didn't have him listed as A Blue.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Chipper now that's where you're betting on the. Purse so
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: as you're running up to the draft and you're getting
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: to know, him does he love, It is he gonna
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: work at? It is he passionate about being? Great all
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: of those things factor. In but the prospect of having
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: giants on the, outside AND i guess If Gabe davis
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: is still gonna be, There like you're big on the,
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: outside now you have a huge basketball team on the.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Outside it just changes the way that you can attack
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: down the. FIELD i would be intrigued by. That it's
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: just a matter of do you really view him as
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: a top five player in this? Draft you gotta feel
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: good about that when you put his name.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: In would you feel better if they slid back and got.
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  Speaker 4: IT i don't, Know LIKE i, mean at that, point
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  Speaker 4: it's the, Argument, yeah you might as well just take
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  Speaker 4: me and just.
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  Speaker 2: It, yeah you just you just you just have to own.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: It if you like, him you take, him and you're
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  Speaker 4: willing to stand in amid the criticism that may, come, like,
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  Speaker 4: MAN i didn't see, HIM i didn't have him in
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  Speaker 4: my originally, though if you go back to all the way,
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  Speaker 4: back BECAUSE i think it's important that you go back
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  Speaker 4: and read what was written In. January In, january technicc
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  Speaker 4: millan was viewed as. That now somewhere along the way
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  Speaker 4: it got lost in. There we don't talk about, him
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  Speaker 4: but at the end of the collegiate, season we talked
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: About tech McMillan being the number one wide receiver in the.
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  Speaker 2: Class that was the.
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  Speaker 4: Consensus it wasn't after the combine and all, That Matthew
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: golden and Oh. Mika it was Always tech McMillan as
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  Speaker 4: the number one receiver in the. Classes those opinions that
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: are typically done right after the college football season are
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  Speaker 4: the ones that typically are the closest to being.
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  Speaker 5: True, yeah and it's, uh DON'T A gm once told,
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  Speaker 5: me don't trade back if it's going to hurt you
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  Speaker 5: to lose the, Guy like if you're going to be
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: driving home that night with a feeling the pit of
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: your stomach if you lose.
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  Speaker 6: Him and you, know when The colts Drafted. Freenie you know.
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  Speaker 5: TOO i probably tell you this story before you. Know
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  Speaker 5: Tony dungey And Bill pollie were working out in the.
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  Speaker 5: Morning they Loved, freenie but they knew they were going
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: to get heat for taking what at the time was
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: an undersized outside pass rusher at and they're picking. Eleven everybody, said,
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: hey it's picking. Eighteenth, Fine And tony said he finally
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: looked A bill and said do we like, yeah, well
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: taking me.
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  Speaker 6: Left and you know.
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  Speaker 2: He's a gold.
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  Speaker 6: Jay so that is sort of What bucky was.
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  Speaker 5: Saying if you like the, guy don't trade back five
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: picks and get a guy you don't.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Like and let me say, This when they Took Dwight,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: freenie it was controversial Because Dwight freenie was not prototypical
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: size at. All he had he had a herky jerky
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: unorthodox game because remember that was and and they were
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: willing to, say, no this is our. Guy he's gonna
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  Speaker 4: be fine for, us and let in three or four
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  Speaker 4: years we'll see if we were, right and so let's do.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: It so that's why you got to have conviction about the.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Pick you gotta support the, pick and then whatever it,
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: is it is and so if The jaguars field death
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: strongly About ted McMillan or another player.
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  Speaker 2: Being the, choice you go after. IT i will say
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: this because this just came across social.
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  Speaker 4: MEDIA i Guess Adam schefter said today That Mason graham
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  Speaker 4: is not going to be the pick for The.
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  Speaker 2: JACKS i guess he said it ON espn. Today we.
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  Speaker 5: Go but one final thought On, Dwight buckey And, bucket
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  Speaker 5: like this, STORY i wasn't. SURE i wasn't sure in
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: OT as About dwight first game when that when that
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: big behind started spinning.
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  Speaker 6: Around on the, outside you.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: Knew and, yeah so that trait didn't show up during
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: OTAs and all. That but once he started, spinning, yeah, okay.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: A pretty good. Fit yeah that's how it.
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  Speaker 4: Goes and so we hope that whoever we take it,
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: five it clicks real quickly.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Like oh, yeah that's, yeah we're. Good we feel great about.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: This story About logman. Too this Is jeff's story more than.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: Mine but With biselli back, THEN i talked about things
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: when you, know, uh first practice whatever they were called back,
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: then unpadded. Whatever prisco went up To logman afterwards he
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: had gone To Gainst biselli And jeff is.
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  Speaker 6: Like, yeah that's good.
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  Speaker 5: Pick he was a veitoran trying out the. Rookie but
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: you knew immediately and that's.
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  Speaker 2: What you and the entire team will.
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  Speaker 4: Know and SO i am a big believer that the
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: team will tell you about the players far, more, far
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  Speaker 4: sooner than you'll ever. Recognize that's why the standard has
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: to be. High when you take the fifth thick. End
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: everyone goes out to camp with the helmets as first
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: day of. School, hey let's see what they brought, in
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: and you'll know right away through the reaction.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Like a oh, yeah, okay we got. One, yeah you
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: get a little. Excited that's what you. Want, yeah so
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: you'll be able to tell real.
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• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Pm Kay, Stevens, johnoes Your brian section will be in
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Green bay with a report From Draft. Central, Bucky i'm
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: sure you're busy this. Week what do you got going?
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: ON i, mean you, know just a little thing that's
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: gonna happen over the Weekend, Thursday, Friday. Saturday some players
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: maybe just kind of be invited to go to new
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: teams like, that seeing some dreams. Realize but that's, it you.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Know BUT i think i'mnna be joining you guys a
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: ton on the draft. COVERAGE i know we got some
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: preview stuff and some after pick stuff that we'll try
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: and weigh in all so this should be. Fun i'm, excited,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Man i'm excited to see what the new era really looks.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Like like we talk About liam And, james but Also tony's.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Influence i'm excited to see this team kind of get
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: back on track and see if we can have an
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: exciting squad Five.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: We're about to find out here Shortly.
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  Speaker 6: Thursday the kicks off at. Eight we like it or,
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: not it's going to be.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Here bucky will talk to you later in the.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Week then appreciate. It, well, yeah let's let's do.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: It and in the, Meantime i'll make SURE i see
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: you IF i can listen to THE evp podcast and
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: see if IF i was able to gleam some nuggets
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: From tony to kind of help me SO i sound
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: smarter ON.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Tv when the jazz up about the pitch you do, that.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: There's gonna be some nuggets out of. There for, sure
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  Speaker 3: It's Bucky, Brooks John. Oser i'm J. P. Shadricker thanks
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: To Brent, reaver and thanks to you for watching and
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: listening to huddle up With Bucky brooks