Latest / John’s Newsletter / Reflections on a French Revolution (Part 2)
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- 0:15SPEAKER_00: Good morning,
- 0:16SPEAKER_00: everyone,
- 0:17SPEAKER_00: and welcome back to Around the world in 20 minutes,
- 0:20SPEAKER_00: where we try to make sense of the beguiling new planet we find ourselves on,
- 0:24SPEAKER_00: and I told you we might have an extra today,
- 0:27SPEAKER_00: and we will continue keeping pace with reflections on a French Revolution.
- 0:33SPEAKER_00: I thought a part two was necessary where we talk through the politics.
- 0:39SPEAKER_00: There's a good article to commend.
- 0:40SPEAKER_00: I've read a bunch of good ones.
- 0:42SPEAKER_00: There's a good one on...
- 0:45SPEAKER_00: Real clear politics,
- 0:46SPEAKER_00: and I've forgotten the guy's name,
- 0:47SPEAKER_00: Jens Heideke,
- 0:49SPEAKER_00: I think,
- 0:49SPEAKER_00: who has a Substack on numbers about these unassimilated second,
- 0:55SPEAKER_00: third generation Muslim citizens of France who don't want to be part of the polity.
- 1:03SPEAKER_00: And he goes into some detail on that.
- 1:04SPEAKER_00: That's worth reading.
- 1:06SPEAKER_00: And then Unheard has a great piece by I think his first name, his name is Mr. Hussey.
- 1:11SPEAKER_00: He's written an interesting book on France I read before it might be Edward,
- 1:15SPEAKER_00: but it's on Unheard.
- 1:16SPEAKER_00: And it's about some of the political machinations going on.
- 1:20SPEAKER_00: And that got me to thinking that we needed to do absolutely another one to keep you up to speed.
- 1:26SPEAKER_00: As we do here in the community on the politics behind what's going on.
- 1:31SPEAKER_00: We laid out what's going on and then began to see beneath it.
- 1:34SPEAKER_00: But I thought we needed another to make this for real.
- 1:39SPEAKER_00: And to talk a little bit about the politics.
- 1:42SPEAKER_00: So to begin where we ended last time,
- 1:46SPEAKER_00: what you see with these riots,
- 1:49SPEAKER_00: and that's certainly what they are,
- 1:51SPEAKER_00: is not a deep concern for schools that you're burning to the ground,
- 1:55SPEAKER_00: but instead a show of force by unassimilated Muslim migrants
- 1:59SPEAKER_00: and their hard-left revolutionary allies, this red-green war.
- 2:04SPEAKER_00: A coalition in France of unassimilated Muslim migrants and hard left revolutionary allies.
- 2:11SPEAKER_00: They have an awful lot not in common,
- 2:13SPEAKER_00: and this is true in the States and in Britain,
- 2:16SPEAKER_00: certainly socially about women's rights.
- 2:19SPEAKER_00: This is a thing they absolutely disagree on.
- 2:21SPEAKER_00: But they both want to tear down Western civilization.
- 2:23SPEAKER_00: They both don't like it.
- 2:25SPEAKER_00: The revolutionary left despise Western civilization.
- 2:29SPEAKER_00: Christian, capitalistic, bourgeois.
- 2:33SPEAKER_00: They hate all these words.
- 2:34SPEAKER_00: And many,
- 2:35SPEAKER_00: many Muslims coming to these countries loathe Western civilization for
- 2:39SPEAKER_00: the very social libertine,
- 2:41SPEAKER_00: in their view, goings-on that they see, which we would call freedom.
- 2:46SPEAKER_00: And so they have this major thing in common about loathing Western civilization.
- 2:51SPEAKER_00: Then you have Macron under his desk hiding, not defending Western civilization.
- 2:55SPEAKER_00: So there's a vacuum.
- 2:57SPEAKER_00: And that's why we're talking about this in revolutionary terms.
- 3:02SPEAKER_00: What does Melenchon get out of it?
- 3:04SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think,
- 3:05SPEAKER_00: you know,
- 3:06SPEAKER_00: if we buy Prime Minister Sebastian Lecourneau's notion
- 3:10SPEAKER_00: that these initial school riots have been totally hijacked
- 3:13SPEAKER_00: by people waving Gazan flags,
- 3:17SPEAKER_00: flags of the Palestinians,
- 3:18SPEAKER_00: waving flags of Algeria, Morocco, that's not about school issues.
- 3:24SPEAKER_00: What is it that Melenchon gets out of this?
- 3:27SPEAKER_00: If the unrest drives rioters to do more and more,
- 3:33SPEAKER_00: which is what he's trying to do, this could well provoke the populist right.
- 3:38SPEAKER_00: The most likely outcome revolutionarily of this is a Le Pen victory,
- 3:44SPEAKER_00: which we were already calling,
- 3:45SPEAKER_00: as everyone who's ever listened to me knows,
- 3:48SPEAKER_00: and was going to be and will be one of our main calls for next year.
- 3:53SPEAKER_00: The bell is tolling for the old Patrick Henry podcast European establishment to jump
- 3:58SPEAKER_00: upon the dustbin of history as it so justly ought to.
- 4:02SPEAKER_00: But now with the riots,
- 4:03SPEAKER_00: it's even more likely that Le Pen wins because people in the The Republicans,
- 4:08SPEAKER_00: Les Républicains,
- 4:11SPEAKER_00: who kind of flirt with Le Penism but don't go the whole way,
- 4:14SPEAKER_00: and moderates in general,
- 4:15SPEAKER_00: independent voters,
- 4:16SPEAKER_00: are likely with all this anarchy and this chaos to vote for Le Pen to say
- 4:21SPEAKER_00: that order is...
- 4:23SPEAKER_00: So if the unrest,
- 4:25SPEAKER_00: if you're Melenchon,
- 4:26SPEAKER_00: if the unrest does this,
- 4:27SPEAKER_00: as I predict it will,
- 4:29SPEAKER_00: and drives voters to the populist right,
- 4:31SPEAKER_00: he can hope to emerge as the leader of the opposition.
- 4:35SPEAKER_00: That the macronistas and the technocratic establishmentarian,
- 4:39SPEAKER_00: good Aspen people,
- 4:40SPEAKER_00: good FT reading,
- 4:43SPEAKER_00: finance kind of industry folks who've run Europe into a ditch over decades.
- 4:49SPEAKER_00: Over a generation without their self-regard being dented in any noticeable way.
- 4:53SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're not cursed with the plague of self-reflection.
- 4:57SPEAKER_00: Let's put it that way.
- 4:59SPEAKER_00: If they're discarded, then there's going to be a leader of the opposition.
- 5:02SPEAKER_00: And as they move to their right,
- 5:04SPEAKER_00: he then can stay on the left and say, I am the logical choice in my movement.
- 5:09SPEAKER_00: La France Insoumise, LFI is the movement to move forward.
- 5:13SPEAKER_00: So you have a much more radicalized and polarized France.
- 5:17SPEAKER_00: So if things go wrong, I mean,
- 5:18SPEAKER_00: that's the worst case outcome for Melenchon,
- 5:21SPEAKER_00: that in this chaos, people move to the right, but then he emerges.
- 5:24SPEAKER_00: He emerges as the coherent voice of the far left,
- 5:28SPEAKER_00: and that makes him the leader of the opposition,
- 5:30SPEAKER_00: and he eviscerates the macronistas in the center,
- 5:33SPEAKER_00: and that would be okay by his standards, I'm sure.
- 5:37SPEAKER_00: If he succeeds in bringing enough boats over, he could be president.
- 5:44SPEAKER_00: Meaning if it gets more polarized by the rioting
- 5:46SPEAKER_00: and people decide they'd rather have the far left than the far right,
- 5:50SPEAKER_00: the old kind of emergency vehicle,
- 5:53SPEAKER_00: because the French establishment,
- 5:55SPEAKER_00: like all these establishments, tilts to the center left.
- 5:58SPEAKER_00: And by that I mean it's corporatist rather than capitalist,
- 6:01SPEAKER_00: state-driven, elite, technocratic social democracy.
- 6:06SPEAKER_00: So if they have to choose between hemlock and strychnine, they may pick him.
- 6:10SPEAKER_00: Because the elite already tend toward the center left.
- 6:13SPEAKER_00: You see this in that there is a firewall to try to keep the far right out.
- 6:17SPEAKER_00: And there isn't such a one in Germany and France to keep the Linke out in Germany
- 6:22SPEAKER_00: or Mélenchon out in France.
- 6:24SPEAKER_00: So he might hope that when pushed, the people in the middle jump his way.
- 6:28SPEAKER_00: And then he's president of the Republic.
- 6:31SPEAKER_00: So if the unrest leads people to flee to order in Le Pen,
- 6:34SPEAKER_00: he emerges as the leader of the opposition.
- 6:37SPEAKER_00: And if it forces a choice that they don't much like,
- 6:39SPEAKER_00: they may just side with him and he becomes president of France.
- 6:43SPEAKER_00: In either case, he has no incentive to lower the temperature.
- 6:48SPEAKER_00: He's talking about a sixth republic.
- 6:49SPEAKER_00: I mean, again,
- 6:50SPEAKER_00: one of the refreshing things about Melenchon,
- 6:53SPEAKER_00: beyond that I do see him trying out for that off-Broadway part in Les Miserables,
- 6:57SPEAKER_00: he is what he is, but he's very clear that he wants a new republic.
- 7:02SPEAKER_00: And this link between,
- 7:04SPEAKER_00: you know,
- 7:05SPEAKER_00: hard left revolutionaries and unassimilated Muslim migrants is his last best ticket
- 7:11SPEAKER_00: to it.
- 7:11SPEAKER_00: And he's very clear about that.
- 7:12SPEAKER_00: But he has no incentive politically to lower the temperature as people gathered at
- 7:17SPEAKER_00: a union, radical unions, gather with students, gather with unassimilated Muslims.
- 7:22SPEAKER_00: That's his political calculation.
- 7:27SPEAKER_00: Because Melenchon's coalition,
- 7:29SPEAKER_00: and we have to think differently,
- 7:30SPEAKER_00: we have to think in radical, utopian, revolutionary terms.
- 7:33SPEAKER_00: Thank God for realism again, because I can do that.
- 7:37SPEAKER_00: I'm aware of who's a utopian, and I'm aware of who's part of the establishment.
- 7:41SPEAKER_00: Melenchon's coalition is...
- 7:42SPEAKER_00: Isn't for assimilation and some sort of favored position in the present order.
- 7:47SPEAKER_00: It's for destroying the present order.
- 7:50SPEAKER_00: That's what they have in common in the Red-Green Coalition.
- 7:53SPEAKER_00: That's what the two parts have in common.
- 7:55SPEAKER_00: They're very odd bedfellows otherwise,
- 7:58SPEAKER_00: but they both want to destroy the Fifth Republic along with Western civilization
- 8:03SPEAKER_00: as it's constituted.
- 8:04SPEAKER_00: Capitalistic, democratic, a lot of social liberties, bourgeoisie.
- 8:12SPEAKER_00: All the things that both really dislike.
- 8:14SPEAKER_00: However,
- 8:16SPEAKER_00: I think the first of the two calculations of Melenchon is the more likely
- 8:20SPEAKER_00: that people flee to the right.
- 8:22SPEAKER_00: All the more reason that,
- 8:23SPEAKER_00: you know,
- 8:23SPEAKER_00: and again,
- 8:23SPEAKER_00: no secret, we've been calling for a while now that she's going to win the election.
- 8:28SPEAKER_00: It will be one of our major calls for next year.
- 8:30SPEAKER_00: But we've been ahead of the game as anybody who follows me notices a recent poll in Figaro.
- 8:36SPEAKER_00: Found that 78% of French people thought that La France Insoumise was aggressive
- 8:43SPEAKER_00: and fully 70,
- 8:44SPEAKER_00: which is a huge majority,
- 8:46SPEAKER_00: anything over 60 we share with you,
- 8:49SPEAKER_00: think that Mélenchon and his ilk are actively dangerous.
- 8:52SPEAKER_00: If 70% of those polled think you're actively dangerous,
- 8:56SPEAKER_00: they may flee to anybody who talks about order.
- 8:59SPEAKER_00: And sure enough, Le Pen is talking about order.
- 9:02SPEAKER_00: She's, unlike Macron, not hiding behind her desk.
- 9:04SPEAKER_00: She's come out and said there need to be new laws to punish the most destructive rioters.
- 9:11SPEAKER_00: She's going hard for the Gaullus notion of law and order.
- 9:15SPEAKER_00: And so people are fleeing Dorian with Macron hiding under a desk and the center going away.
- 9:21SPEAKER_00: This is going to be very attractive to these 70 percent of voters
- 9:24SPEAKER_00: who are worried La France Insoumise is actively dangerous.
- 9:28SPEAKER_00: Let's remember.
- 9:30SPEAKER_00: Finally,
- 9:31SPEAKER_00: to make a historical point,
- 9:33SPEAKER_00: let's remember that the 1968 riots that eventually wounded de Gaulle very badly,
- 9:39SPEAKER_00: him leaving office shortly thereafter,
- 9:42SPEAKER_00: didn't lead to some glorious socialist utilitarianism.
- 9:45SPEAKER_00: Utopia, as all these awful baby boomers talk about while they're,
- 9:50SPEAKER_00: you know, pretending they don't like capitalism.
- 9:53SPEAKER_00: What a useless generation.
- 9:55SPEAKER_00: I can't think of anything used in a faux revolutionary French person from the 1970s.
- 10:01SPEAKER_00: The 68ers are dreadful human beings who aren't remotely aware of their place in history.
- 10:08SPEAKER_00: Let's look at what happened after 1968.
- 10:11SPEAKER_00: Gaulism was in real trouble.
- 10:12SPEAKER_00: He'd been in since 58.
- 10:14SPEAKER_00: But after the 68 riots, Gaulism makes it.
- 10:19SPEAKER_00: Continues, flourishes afterwards with Pompidou and Giscard de Stang.
- 10:25SPEAKER_00: And after the 1968 riots,
- 10:27SPEAKER_00: when the students seem,
- 10:28SPEAKER_00: let's face it, it's absolutely what they're talking is verbal gobbledygook.
- 10:33SPEAKER_00: I mean, I just want them all to take a nap and lay off the drugs.
- 10:36SPEAKER_00: The 68 revolt led to right-wing governments dominating France for the next 14 years
- 10:42SPEAKER_00: until Mitterrand came in in 1982.
- 10:45SPEAKER_00: So the 68ers didn't have any more than the American Vietnam protesters,
- 10:50SPEAKER_00: some sort of glorious success.
- 10:52SPEAKER_00: They just moved the silent majority in France, as Nixon would call it.
- 10:55SPEAKER_00: And Joe, that's for you and our Nixon maxing.
- 10:58SPEAKER_00: They just moved them into the Republican camp.
- 11:00SPEAKER_00: In this case, the Gaullist camp.
- 11:03SPEAKER_00: So Gaullism basically dominates France between 1958 and 1982,
- 11:08SPEAKER_00: but from 68 to 82, this is due to the hysterical Manson-like ramblings of the 68ers.
- 11:15SPEAKER_00: Who still in the French arts act like they won some glorious victory when
- 11:19SPEAKER_00: the only glorious victory they won was for the right.
- 11:22SPEAKER_00: And they all still talk about it.
- 11:23SPEAKER_00: I want to roll my eyes while they live off the benefits of their children
- 11:27SPEAKER_00: and their grandchildren.
- 11:28SPEAKER_00: What an odious group of people.
- 11:32SPEAKER_00: France went right when confronted with chaos, Manson-like hysteria.
- 11:35SPEAKER_00: If this continues,
- 11:37SPEAKER_00: if firemen are set on fire and unassimilated migrants take pictures of them,
- 11:43SPEAKER_00: if teachers are beaten coming out, if ladies who beg people...
- 11:47SPEAKER_00: I don't know about the first part.
- 11:48SPEAKER_00: We have to think this through.
- 12:17SPEAKER_00: As the leader of the opposition,
- 12:18SPEAKER_00: he's certainly going to take that gamble and not turn down the temperature.
- 12:22SPEAKER_00: At the moment in the polling,
- 12:23SPEAKER_00: Melenchon would sit a very close third, which is perennially where he is.
- 12:28SPEAKER_00: He does well, but not quite well enough to make the two-person race.
- 12:32SPEAKER_00: He has nothing to lose.
- 12:36SPEAKER_00: He has everything to gain by moving forward and keeping the riots going.
- 12:41SPEAKER_00: It might take him to that second position where he emerges as the head president.
- 12:47SPEAKER_00: The far left emerges as the voice of opposition to Le Pen.
- 12:50SPEAKER_00: But in either case,
- 12:51SPEAKER_00: whether he acquires that position as leader of the opposition for his hard right,
- 12:56SPEAKER_00: red-green movement, or the establishment takeover, they're handing the election.
- 13:02SPEAKER_00: Thanks very much.
- 13:02SPEAKER_00: Very happy to update you on this.
- 13:04SPEAKER_00: We will keep them coming.