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C.A.T.S. Series: “A” Is for Activity with Dr. Randy Aronson · Back In The Closet - Two Crazy Cat Ladies

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Welcome back to another episode of Back in the Closet with the 2
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Crazy Cat Ladies. Guys, this is episode 2 of the
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four part series that we're having with Doctor Randy the Pet
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vet about cats. CATS last last month we spoke
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about C, which stands for Complete Nutrition and
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microbiome. We that was like the biggest hit
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of 2026. It was illuminating.
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It was. It was even 20. 25 I already
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thought that they knew what that was, right?
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Absolutely, absolutely crazy. And today we're talking about a,
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which is activity. And I personally and very, very
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excited for this episode because, you know, so many
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people just think cats are aloof and, you know, they prefer cats,
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that some people prefer cats just because they don't move
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that much. And I know you're here to debunk
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that myth. So, Doctor Randy, thank you so
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much for joining us again. Thank you SO.
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Much. Well, thank you.
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And I think you asked me to just do a quick introduction again.
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Yes. So.
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For all of our cat parents and guardians that don't know me,
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I'm Doctor Randy. I have a veterinary practice in
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Tucson, AZ with my lovely wife who is my boss.
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I say a lot of yes dears because that gets me through all the
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problems that I could possibly have.
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But I started in the world of veterinary medicine 43 years ago
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as a very, very well trained Western medicine person.
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And I don't say that lightly because I went to the University
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of Pennsylvania. I stayed and did an internship,
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which is a rotating medicine and surgery deal, and then I went to
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New York City, the Animal Medical Center, the largest
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veterinary hospital in the world.
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You can't not see cases, which I'm a very visual learner.
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It was fabulous. But I noticed in my practice
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when I started that I was putting out fires all the time,
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but I was not getting to a place of Wellness and health.
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Span met Doctor Andrew Weil here in Tucson.
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Very famous Integrative MD set me on a path that has led me to
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this point and the the joy of this is I get to work with these
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two lovely ladies. We had an incredible night in in
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in at sea meow and I hope that we can do it again.
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A little disappointed I heard that we may not be seeing each
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other this year on tour but I'm going to come to Vegas or you
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got to come to Tucson. So we'll figure that out, so.
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Yes, I will. You do.
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Today is a really important day because we're talking about
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activity and just like you said, many of our cats are just
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accepted, as you know, since, you know, very sedentary beings.
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We're not really thinking about what they need to be doing or
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not be doing. But it couldn't be further from
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the truth. And what I've noticed in my
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practice is we're seeing so much cat obesity and we're also
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seeing a ton of cat osteoarthritis or arthritis that
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goes undiagnosed because, as you know, cats don't show pain.
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So if they show pain in the wild, they get eaten.
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So they tend to hide it from their moms and dads.
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And we picked this up on physical exam.
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So I really love talking about activity because I find it so
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important and it's certainly related to the sea because the
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diet is so critical and the Biome is so critical.
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But let's specifically talk tonight about activity.
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And, you know, what can we do? What does it look like?
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What kind of things might we want to want to, you know, and
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put into our program for them for 2026?
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Awesome. Because I, you know, we're kind
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of in that same boat, along with so many people in our community
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where it's like you have your, you have your job, you've got
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your housework, you've got all this stuff.
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And then you get sweet little snuggles and it's like, So what
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are they doing for the 12 hours a day that 1416 hours a day that
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were occupied doing other stuff? I love that you talk about
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activity as being non negotiable for indoor cats.
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What do you mean by that? And, and, and like, try to
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relate it a little bit to those of us that do have like long
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days and are so excited to come see our little love bugs.
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But but they're making biscuits. That's that doesn't really count
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as activity. No, the reason why I say it's
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non negotiable is because we've got to get them definitely
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moving. And you know, as you know and I
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know it's so hard sometimes when we've had a long day and we're
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tired, we just want to sit and snuggle.
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Nothing wrong with that. Obviously that's great.
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But it is something that I actually talked about as a thing
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to do for our cats in 2026, to schedule 10 or 15 minutes of
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play. It's so easy to do.
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I mean, whether you decide it's an aluminum ball rolled up, a
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bottle cap, a catnip toy, a wand, do something laser
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pointer, I don't care. But do something with your cat,
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you know? Because.
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Getting them moving, you know, really makes a huge difference.
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One, they're a lot more calmer and serene when when you're home
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with them at this point. And two, it's so good for their
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nervous system, their muscles, all their circulatory system,
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everything to be moving just like it is for us.
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I mean, if, you know, if I sat on the sofa and ate McDonald's
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every day and watch and drank beer and watch football, I
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wouldn't look like this. And you know, and I know you
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guys know this, but it's hard doing this, you know, so we
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should be doing that for our cats.
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And, and things like I talked about, like creating a new
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vertical space for them. You know, cats like to think in
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3D, you know, so a new cat tree or shelves on the wall where
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they can climb up. Or I, I love a window with a
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bird feeder outside because this is the, my, my most fun moment
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watching our cat patients in their exam room at our cat only
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practice called Feline Focus. They're staring at the birds the
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whole time. They could care less what I do,
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you know, I could be poking and prodding that they don't care,
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you know, so that kind of stuff is just so important.
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And I know it's a little bit over the top, but some people
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even schedule that 10 or 15 minutes on their calendar.
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You know, it's not a terrible thing to think about, right?
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It's not a terrible thing to think about, but something we
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could eat, we easily can do. I want to come back real quick
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because you said like you could, you could be sitting on the
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couch drinking your beer, you know, And for us, it's it, we
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look at it as hard, you know, I, I look at it as with, with our
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cats, they crave engagement. They they literally, we can tell
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one of our cats at Soro when he's bored.
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He's very emotional about. It and and there's all other
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cats in the home besides him right but instead of going to
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the other cats and every once in a while he will but instead of
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going to the other cats and like trying to like rough, rough
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around or something like that play with them, he comes to us
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and he just like just like come on and and you say something
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like. Did you want to play like, are
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you talking about me? Did you want and he'll just
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start running, like, OK, yeah, right.
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Like we don't necessarily know exactly what he wants every
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time, but he just wants attention and he wants us to to
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move with him. And he wants to he wants to be
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active, right. He he's actually probably the
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cat that we need to be putting on a leash and taking outside.
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Which I love, I mean, you know, and that, you know, people think
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that's an impossibility, but we all know that that can be done
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pretty easily. Desensitizing them to a little
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bit of a harness and slight ribbon on that and then move up
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to a leash situation. Oh God, I love that.
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I mean, you know, if you have the environment where that can
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happen that that's great. You know, we, we are so cautious
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about our outdoor cats because here and probably like Vegas,
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there's so many predators. And so, you know, I want to
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really make sure that we have control in that situation and
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not just letting them outside or whatever, which some people will
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tend to do. So anyway, I think that this
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idea of natural feline movement and getting them into that is so
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critical. And you know, we talked about
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this osteoarthritis thing, but just getting those joints
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moving, you know, not just the food, not just the supplements,
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which I can advocate for all of that, but getting them moving so
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great. Yeah, it's like we, we, we
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always call it like the, the cheapest form of de stressing
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and, and increasing longevity really.
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You know, like it doesn't cost health span, right.
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Like it doesn't cost anything to get our cats moving.
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And I and I get the outside thing, right.
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Like, I mean, some people do live in an environment where
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their cats can go safely outside and it's, you know, they don't
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have all the predators or they, they don't live in a place where
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there's a lot of cars and things like that.
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They can or they're at least safer outside then they would be
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here. But but when we trap them in our
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four walls, right? And I don't mean trap, but we,
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we, we're trying to help them, right?
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We have to, we have to understand that, you know, just
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like with food, it outside in the wild, they would not be
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bored, they would not be sleeping somewhere.
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They would be moving around, hunting every little bug and,
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and, you know, bird. And, you know, they would, they
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would be active on their own. But in our home, we have to do
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whatever we can in whatever way we can to get them moving so
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that those, you know, joints don't break down early and that
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they don't get obese because, you know, just like with us, if
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we don't ask. I speaking obese, yeah.
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I think real quick, I want to ask your professional opinion on
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this. I think a lot of times as cop
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parents think of activity as enrichment.
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Like it's the bonus. It's the cherry on top for
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living in a safe environment, getting fed every day, having a
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clean litter box, like all of that.
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I want to talk about the health benefits.
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I want to talk about the, the difference that you see between
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mobility and digestion, the difference that you see between
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mobility and disease. It's like, I think that this
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shouldn't just be looked at as it like enrichment is awesome
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and it's stimulating, it's exciting and it's great.
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But but there is that, that health aspect that I think that
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we're not necessarily prioritizing as much as we, we,
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we need to be. Absolutely, absolutely no.
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That's such a great point because you know it, it is part
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of the, the, the health, the, the Wellness, the health span,
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as you mentioned, of our cats. And you know, again, we can talk
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all about the great foods and the supplements, the omegas and
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the joint supplements and all the other things.
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But getting them moving blood flow, moving lymphatics, using
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their muscles in different ways, like we talked about, like the,
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the vertical situation or, you know, I love people that even,
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you know, make feeding time like hunting time where there's
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little cat treats around the house where they have to hunt
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for them, they move. You know, they can do that even
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without us, you know, which is so nice.
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So I just love that idea because I think they go hand in hand.
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And in my world, I see much healthier cats that have that
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incorporated into their lifestyle.
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You know, of course, I'm in a little different situation where
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a lot of my pet parents and guardians are, are older and,
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you know, they're home a lot more and they can do a lot of
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this where, you know, all of us are working steps and, you know,
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we have to, you know, we have to come home and we're tired and
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it's a little harder. So it does take a little bit
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more, but well worth it because that ounce of prevention is so
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much more than a pound of cure in that world.
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Yeah, that's so true. And you know, I've said we've
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said because our cat specifically and all of the cats
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that we've had really love that wand toy and specifically dub
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bird. I don't know if you've heard of
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that, but it's like it's a, it's a long, I mean anyone.
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Does a very long low profile wand and a low profile string
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and with a very, you know, with like natural feathers as the
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lure. Or you can use a little wiggle
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worm on the end if your cat prefers.
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You know, kind of all of our cats have always found that
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like, it's their favorite thing in the world.
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Yeah, and we also have, you know, many followers and
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customers that are maybe disabled or older and they, they
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can't like, you know, go for a walk with their cat or they
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don't, you know, even in wheelchairs, right.
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And, and we always tell them like get one of these wand toys
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because you can still get your cat moving while you're sitting
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still, right? And you can.
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You can still work them so that they get the activity that they
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need, even if you're unable to to move as much as you you'd
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like to move. And that's why I love talking to
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you guys because you know what 2 crazy cat ladies give us is just
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the bird situation. I I'm not always up on these
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toys and stuff like that. You're in that world where a lot
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of times you get a little more exposure than I do.
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But that's fabulous. You know, there was a lady at
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sea meow that made little cat balls and, you know, she puts
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just a drop of, you know, the higher end kibble in them and
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they bat them around and the kibble drops out.
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But that keeps them really busy, you know?
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That's wonderful. So yeah, that's something that
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you don't even actively have to do, you know?
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No. And you can make those with a
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toilet paper roll and tape and scissors like those are.
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Those are fun. We've done those before too.
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And you can use treats like your cat's favorite treat, whatever
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it is. It doesn't have to be kibble,
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you know. Yeah, freeze dried.
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We use our their little freeze dried treats and put it in there
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and they get really excited about batting it around and
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trying to get it out. So yeah, that's that's another
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great way to can. Can you speak to all of us
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briefly? Because when we saw you speak at
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Seattle, Jay and I stood there absolutely enamored.
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We. Were like pushing our chins out.
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No, very seriously, it's rare. It's rare to find a veterinarian
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in practice that is so invested in cats.
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Especially a male veterinarian especially.
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A male veterinarian? Yes, that's.
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Why, As I told you, I'm very in touch with my feminine side, so
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that's a real good thing. Well, yeah.
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Nailed it but but you from a place of you know you're you're
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in practice. You see these things that I love
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that you that you mentioned in your intro too, that you you
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came out of that school, no easy feat even to get into it, but
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went through very accelerated advanced academic experience
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came out a very well trained Western medicine veterinarian.
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When we saw you at Seattle, it was just amazing to see someone
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so, so invested in cats. I want, I guess what I'm asking
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is, you know, this understanding of cats, not just as these
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beautiful little beings that have certain biological needs
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like you see them as you know, as as these under stimulated
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predators. These are, we call them house
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cats, but these are there's an article that said perhaps the
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most biologically perfect being that has ever been created, you
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know, cats are they are our house cats are both predators
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and prey, which can kind of tweak that behavioral element a
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bit, but. And what makes them so stoic
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that they don't tell us that they're in pain?
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Right. But what we think about as
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playtime, I do think we need to level up and look at it as being
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able to exercise those predatory instincts you talk about as an
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under stimulated predator. Can you kind of anyone that's
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like predator, my cat's not a predator.
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Can you kind of, I guess, I guess, yeah, just kind of
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expound a bit on that as far as why this matters, not just so
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much for their bones, their joints, their digestion, but for
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their mental and emotional health as well-being, the
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species they are. Oh, and then I do want to go
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into digestion, but. Yeah.
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And you know, and, you know, that's why I think the the all
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the different categories of, of toys are so important.
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You know, whether you talk about an interactive puzzle and tree
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or chase and hunt toy or, you know, an electronic motion toy,
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this kicks in that predator instinct that they can use and
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you know, you know, they know what's going on.
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We don't even know that we're doing that half the time, you
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know, with them. So I love that idea.
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And, you know, you know, given the opportunity, my cat would
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love to get outside and grab a bird.
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You know, I, I, you know, we don't let it happen because,
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one, we love our birds and two, it's dangerous out here.
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But, you know, scratching and climbing in Richmond is really
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cool. So I think all of that kind of
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kicks in that predatory aspect of their body without us even
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knowing it, you know, and, and it does really make a
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difference. You're right.
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Did that answer that? Yeah, it does.
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I mean, I, I, I remember back to the first time that I thought
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about it in that way of exercising their feeling
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instincts instead of play time, which seems so negotiable.
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I mean, who has time or play time, right?
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In the real world? I, I think it was Doctor Marcy
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Koski that said basically play time is exercising that pray
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sequence, you know, is engaged Play time is really giving them
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the opportunity and watching the psychological effect it has on
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cats as far as just mental sharpness, confidence, all of
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that. It was really illuminating
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because it it's one of those things where you're like, oh,
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that's cute, but you're you're literally giving your indoor cat
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the opportunity to be have more fullness of self.
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Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
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And I think I think it creates a much healthier friend for us.
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And I think that it does intervene on, you know, there's
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got to be some level of boredom going on, you know, and we, we,
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you know, if we can, you know, help that out with these guys,
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which we're doing, which we're talking about, then we're way
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up. We're, you know, we're
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definitely above the curve. And you know, it, it just, it's
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a longevity treat. I mean, it really is.
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It's it's as good as some of the things that we that we talk
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about doing for them for longevity.
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I think it's just, that's why I said it's non negotiable.
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I mean, it just, you know, it just has to be.
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Yeah. And I'm listening to myself
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because I got to make a mental note, you know, like, you know,
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tonight I'm leaving here. I'm going to see our local U of
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A basketball team play. I won't get home till 10:30 at
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night. Fortunately, my two kids are
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there and they're playing with our cats, you know.
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So you know, I do have AI do have a step in that will help me
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at least a little bit there. Yeah, yeah, it can be.
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It can be hard for some of us. But yeah, I think, I think that
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this aspect of activity of. Oh, we say it's the hardest,
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hardest. The feeding hasn't been hard
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like we especially with this powder, right?
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Like keeping the litter, getting every, you know, getting the,
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even taking the toxins out of the home, like the, the, the
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cleaners and the chemicals and the, the sprays and the plug
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insurance and all that. Like that's, that was like, OK,
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well, let's do it right? Like, and, and then you're, and
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then it's done and you're, you're done.
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But the, the constant make sure that you have time or make time
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for many of us have to make time to play with your cats.
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That has for years. And we were very honest about
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that with our, with our following.
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It's like it is the hardest part is remembering or for us it has
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to be a scheduling thing in order to prioritize getting our
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cats, you know, getting our cats moving.
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Luckily our cats are still young and they do still play and we do
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have all of they have all their cat walls that like there's lots
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of stuff a catio and the bird feeders.
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Nothing satisfies them in, in comparison to actually playing
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with us, like being with us and and moving us right?
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Like, because that's, that's what they that's what they
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really. Want yeah in the practice.
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Oh, I was going to go back to the bored cat for just a second
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because doctor Marcy Koski, who is a feline behaviorist, she she
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told us that a bored cat is a stress cat and I kind of want to
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get into the health world here, right.
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So talking about bored cats or stress cats, even though they
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seem like Oh no, my cat's super happy they just sleep on the
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couch all day. They're.
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So snowy. Cats are meant to be moving,
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they are meant to be active. And like we said earlier, if
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they were outside, they would be doing it on their own.
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They wouldn't just be sleeping somewhere, you know, all the
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time. They would, they would be moving
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as much as their bodies need to be moving.
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And we talked about obesity and then that leads into diabetes
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and so many other things. But then also the stress, right?
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And how many diseases are created from stress, especially
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in the feline world, right from systitis to feeling
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hypersthesia, like so many things that are idiopathic
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issues are actually caused by stress.
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At least every study that's that's tried to come down with
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the the a reason behind it, it all leads back to stress.
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And how much of do you see in your practice and how much do
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you hypothesize even that the lack of movement is creating
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more disease in our cats? Well, I think I, I don't even
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have to hypothesize. I know, I mean, and when you
23:10
talk about stress, what if you look at it biologically, what's
23:14
happening is the adrenal gland is being over stimulated in a
23:19
flight and fight response. You know, they not, may not be
23:22
escaping that bigger cat or that dog or that coyote who's chasing
23:26
them, but when they're stressed and they're not moving and
23:31
whatnot, that gland just constantly get stimulated.
23:34
And you, you know, you constantly release cortisol,
23:37
which, you know, basically can cause hepatic lipidosis, the
23:41
fatty liver syndromes, which can cause the weight gains, which
23:44
can cause the diabetes, which certainly helps the not helps
23:49
the the joint situation because they can only get worse.
23:53
So yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty interesting.
23:56
You know, there's a lot all the work being done right now by our
24:00
friend Karen Becker and Peter Tobias in dogs about spaying and
24:05
neutering. We're now learning that, you
24:08
know, that there's a lot of what's called LH surge from from
24:12
the pituitary gland. LH, which is supposed to be
24:15
producing eggs and sperm, doesn't do that in our neutered
24:19
animals. And the question is in our cats,
24:22
because this is coming, how much of that is causing the problem?
24:25
Because they're now finding that LH is very inflammatory.
24:29
So if the pituitary keeps on kicking out LH, basically what's
24:34
happening is it affects everything in their body.
24:36
And we're now looking at all these new protocols for dogs in
24:40
hormone therapy because I think this is honestly something that
24:44
we're going to see in our lifetime is going to come to
24:46
fruition. Yeah.
24:49
I can't. I can't wait to see the because
24:54
everything that I've seen so far is basically cats are cats are
24:59
completely I mean, cats are completely different from dogs
25:01
and humans, right? But it's.
25:03
Not like they're exempt from. This they're exempt from from
25:06
any kind of hormonal and I don't, I don't buy it and I'm
25:09
glad you could be there. I don't buy it.
25:10
Well, but that does. I remember one time we did a cat
25:14
tip on waiting as long as you can, especially with our male
25:17
cats to get them neutered until they're full, like full grown at
25:23
least physically. And we?
25:27
We were. Slaughtered.
25:29
Slaughtered, chastised it was, but we met with Doctor Judy
25:33
Morgan and Doctor Lori Kosher and did an interview with them
25:36
on, I think it was Instagram talking about this and talking
25:40
about like, why is this and why do you guys recommend that?
25:44
And both of them were extensively in rescue and like
25:50
25 years of, you know, just spaying and neutering, spaying
25:53
and neutering TNR like that that.
25:55
The youngest. And, and then they said, you
25:58
know, what the, what they see is especially the male cats.
26:01
But but coming back, they all had so many, not all of them,
26:06
but the so a huge percentage of them would come back or and have
26:10
some kind of urinary crack issue due to, you know, this spay and
26:14
neuter at you know, 2 lbs or 3 lbs.
26:18
And there's a whole, you know, you're absolutely right.
26:20
I mean, the argument is going to be there.
26:22
I'm not at all. I just did a big discussion with
26:26
Stacy Lebaron on TNR. We're doing a podcast next week
26:29
together, but you know, there's, there's this whole issue that
26:33
we're not, you know, we want to control this population.
26:36
We need to take this under wing and do everything we can to help
26:39
out the situation. But we also need to be thinking
26:42
about the health and longevity of our pets.
26:45
And I think what's going to happen, and again, this is way
26:48
down the road, but I think you're going to see hormone
26:51
sparing surgeries where things are getting done, but maybe the
26:55
testicles aren't taken, maybe the ovaries are not removed.
26:59
Again, we're we're kind of getting off subject a little
27:01
bit, but it does relate to what we're talking about.
27:04
And it is something for the future that I think that, you
27:07
know, let our our people listening to this know that it's
27:10
been talked about once you. Know, yeah, yeah, at least
27:13
right. We, we actually, one of our cats
27:15
did have a a ovary sparing spay. We were like, and the, the vet
27:21
at that, at that clinic was awesome.
27:22
He was like, that is what I recommend and that's what I
27:25
would do as well. And we had just learned about
27:28
this and we're like, could we do this?
27:30
So, so that's like as far as we as far as we've experienced
27:35
personally with it and I. But I love, I do love that it's
27:38
evolving and it kind of is kind of on point here because I do
27:41
think, you know, your presentation that we saw in
27:44
Seattle on cats, what an incredible summary of the
27:48
ecosystem of a cat. I mean, I'm stealing that word
27:52
from the amazing Rita Hogan. He does talk about all of our
27:57
pets as individuals and holistically as their own
28:00
ecosystem. And I think obviously everything
28:03
touches something. So I don't think it's
28:05
necessarily off topic. I do think that it's still, you
28:11
know, when you when you think about how changing the
28:14
chemistry, hormones, all that impacts anatomy.
28:17
I know that every cat is different.
28:19
Every cat is an individual, but all cats have this need to
28:26
exercise who they are and I feel like activity.
28:29
Is that exercise who they are? I love that.
28:34
That was great. It's so true because I think
28:38
it's fascinating to watch different cats develop, not
28:42
develop different cats of different personalities around
28:45
being a predator, right, What we call play time.
28:49
And I think that for those of us with multiple cats, and this is
28:53
where I would really like your insight for those of us with
28:56
multiple cats that are looking to kind of schedule that play
29:01
time 15 minutes a day with a cat, great.
29:05
When you have 5 cats we're talking about, right?
29:08
We have people in our community have 32 cats that they
29:12
individually care for every day. How can we what What are some of
29:18
your go TOS especially with multi cat households for?
29:22
That's a difficult question. I think that's wonderful to ask
29:24
that I think the go to is it's got to be a conjoined effort.
29:30
You know, you're doing exercise with multiple cats at a time,
29:33
you know, and I think they get into it.
29:35
I mean, I only have two right now at home.
29:38
That's a low number for us, but you know, they really love
29:43
exercising together when we do those kind of things, whether
29:47
it's, you know, the bird or whether it's a laser pointer,
29:52
they'll get into it, especially if one's doing it, the other one
29:54
really wants to jump in. I love that, you know, so my
29:58
hope is that you're in a, in an ecosystem like you talked about,
30:02
that they can do that together. And obviously, you know that
30:06
that 30 cat situation, you're getting 10 of them done at a
30:09
time or maybe all 30, who knows? I mean, that would be wonderful.
30:13
You know, but I'm sure with 30 cats, they're, I'm sure they're
30:15
not all seniors. So they're, they're probably
30:18
like they're interacting with each other already.
30:21
So it's, it's not going to be as, as you know, as much as
30:23
maybe having two or five cats where you know, they, they, they
30:27
play together and that's always fun.
30:29
But but individually they still they still need time.
30:33
What what's your recommendation you're in practice.
30:36
It's one of the most beautiful things about I love that you are
30:39
like real time taken care of it. It's still.
30:42
Doing it. I I yeah, Bobby Katz said.
30:46
Doctor Randy's a badass. Can he be?
30:48
I love. That.
30:49
Can he be replicated across the country please?
30:52
Wouldn't that be awesome? We all love it, yeah.
30:55
As long as I personally don't have to do that, we could.
30:57
If we could teleport or Cologne, that would be fine.
31:01
Yeah, I'm sure AI could do it at some point.
31:03
There you go. There you go.
31:05
In practice, you know you have you have cats of all different
31:08
ages sizes come in. What are some of your
31:11
recommendations for, you know, a sedentary cat that comes in as a
31:14
senior to get them loose? That's a great.
31:18
So that that's so important. So the first thing is a
31:21
veterinary visit. You know, the first thing is
31:23
ascertaining what that cat has going on in its body.
31:27
That could be a limitation, could be something that we may
31:31
need to deal with, you know, more slowly or change what we
31:34
look at instead of a vertical situation, you know, keeping
31:38
things horizontal. But I like, I think the first
31:41
step is always a really important veterinary visit that
31:45
make sure that we illuminate any osteoarthritis situations, any
31:51
joint problems. You know, one of my tats is
31:54
Devin Rex and he's got a bad hip and you wouldn't know it.
31:58
I mean, you will look at this guy running around and you know,
32:00
he hardly ever shows it. But on Palpation, when I, when
32:04
I, what we call abduct the hip, Oh, he'll go through the roof if
32:09
I do it too hard, which I would never do.
32:11
But I'm just saying then it's a situation that we can talk about
32:15
what, what can we do for that joint or that cat to help allow
32:20
it to be more active? In other words, do we add Omega
32:24
threes? You know, we want to do that in
32:25
their diet? Do we look at some of the joint
32:28
supplements that might be really important to really help that
32:31
situation? You know, there's things like
32:34
Adequan, which is a natural hydro, you know, it's kind of a
32:38
hydrocellulose that basically makes the cartilage.
32:42
And a lot of people don't know about Adequan, and I use a lot
32:45
of it in my senior cats. It's an amazing product, doesn't
32:48
have a lot of problems with kidney and liver.
32:51
And if you know, if you're interested, look it up.
32:53
It's ADEQUAN. Adequan.
32:56
I've used it for years in cats. Really.
33:00
Yeah, you. Can give it underneath their.
33:01
Skin, it doesn't have to just be given in the muscle, but what
33:04
happens is you give it under the skin and it actually goes to the
33:08
joints that it needs to go to because they have higher blood
33:11
flow. You know, if you got an inflamed
33:13
joint, you're going to have more blood flow.
33:15
So what happens is it gets carried and it causes the
33:18
cartilage in that joint, whatever is left of it,
33:21
hopefully to imbibe water, get spongy and by getting spongier,
33:25
now you don't have that bone on bone as much.
33:28
And I've seen some amazing results with something like
33:32
that. What do you know?
33:34
About UC 2, is it UC Two? Yeah, Ultra Collagen 2.
33:38
Yes, So a very dear friend of mine, Christine Kolimenko,
33:44
started a company called Job, which is a dog product, the
33:48
first dog product to be released.
33:50
She's a French veterinarian. She lives in New York, and she
33:53
started Ultra Collagen 2 with turmeric and omega-3, and it's
33:57
called Job JOPE, and it's an amazing dog product.
34:01
I use it so much more than I would use glucosamine and
34:05
chondroitin. You know, there's a lot of
34:07
research in dogs and I don't know that I've seen this in cats
34:10
yet, but that cosamine and chondroitin isn't getting into
34:13
the joints like we thought it was.
34:15
It's getting eaten up by stomach acid where Ultra Collagen 2
34:19
doesn't and actually is a much better protected.
34:22
And I can't imagine that she's going to be too far behind the 8
34:26
ball where we won't see a cat supplement coming out fairly
34:28
soon. Oh wow, so.
34:31
Awesome. I mean, I can't imagine why that
34:32
wouldn't also be with turmeric and Omega threes.
34:36
I don't know why that wouldn't already be a cat product that
34:39
you could use. Look at this.
34:41
Nancy just said. Becker.
34:42
Becker had me. Use Adacorn with my very senior
34:45
Kitty when I was her client. Oh wow, I don't know how.
34:48
I've ever heard that. Word before.
34:50
I have never heard of it before that.
34:52
Is very yeah, I we're all knowing I I.
34:55
Never thought I could pull anything over on you guys.
35:00
So much information. Under a rock.
35:03
Yeah, but Nancy. 'S right.
35:05
I mean it's a great product for a senior cat.
35:08
It can be given like once a week and dogs often what we do is we
35:12
start it twice a week and then we back off to a two week
35:16
injection. It's an injection, Yeah.
35:18
But we also, a lot of our, our cat owners, you know, I don't
35:22
want them running down to the practice every week to get an
35:25
injection. So I teach them how to give it
35:26
sub Q shot just like they would be giving insulin, you know, and
35:30
it can work really, really well. I love it.
35:34
I, I love that product. There's some warning.
35:37
Sorry, go. Ahead.
35:39
No, there is some. Warning with.
35:41
It on like severe kidney cats or liver, liver severe liver cats
35:47
but honestly I've even used it in those and I've never had a
35:50
problem with it. I just love this product.
35:53
I feel like I mean also. Like, like for us, right?
35:56
Like when it say they're not severely arthritic yet, right?
36:00
Like they're just starting to slow down.
36:03
I feel like that is the point where for supplements,
36:06
especially omega-3 fatty acids, you know, there's a lot of
36:10
things that we can, that we can do, but I feel like that's the
36:13
point where we really need to get them moving, right?
36:16
Like, because like nothing replaces movement.
36:19
You can give supplements and things like that, But but the,
36:21
the movement itself is so important.
36:24
I will say our, our old, our oldest guy, when he was alive,
36:30
he was 20 years old and his name was Scotch and he, he was so
36:35
active. He used to be as a, like a young
36:37
broad. He was like a broad.
36:39
That's not the right word. As a young, a young lad, young
36:44
young boy, he was in outdoor and he was, he was just always just
36:50
like the best cat. And when he when he turned 20,
36:54
he really, really started to slow down.
36:56
Like you could tell like it was just, you know, and I was like,
37:00
we were giving them all the supplements that we knew at that
37:01
time that would help his joints. But what I would do is he was
37:07
food driven. So at feeding time, instead of
37:11
because he didn't want to play and jump and or chase or
37:14
anything like that at that point.
37:16
So I would, instead of feeding him all of his food at once, I
37:21
would take, you know, take a spoonful of his food and, and I
37:25
would put it on a, on, on a little plate and I would put it
37:27
down and he would eat it. And then I would, or, or I would
37:30
put it all down. He would eat a few bites and I
37:32
would pick it up and I would take a few steps and walk a
37:35
little bit further and I would put it down and he would come
37:37
and he would eat it. And I literally walked him
37:40
around the house every, every, you know, meal time because
37:45
because I need it. I I felt like he really needed
37:47
to move and I couldn't to move any other way.
37:52
Yeah. And you know this.
37:54
Is this is a great situation for what we call baby steps.
37:57
You know, I can't remember the Bill Murray movie, but you know,
38:00
baby, little baby steps, baby steps.
38:02
And in a in a senior cat like that, by all means, you know, we
38:05
don't want them, you know, jumping off of the the sofa.
38:08
We don't want them jumping down off of shelves and stuff like
38:11
that. But getting that little motion
38:13
again starts the blood flow, starts the lymphatics.
38:17
You know, those are cats that often will do cold laser on or
38:21
will do PMF pulse electric magnetic therapy.
38:24
We've even, I know this sounds crazy, but we even have had cats
38:27
in our underwater treadmill that will tolerate the water.
38:31
I mean, it's not every cat that will do that, but it certainly
38:34
can help. And so our rehab situation is
38:36
not just for dogs. You know, we do a lot of cat
38:39
rehab too. And those are guys that we can
38:42
really help. But it, you know, like you said,
38:45
it's great to get them earlier obviously, because hopefully we
38:49
don't get them to that point where we have to, you know,
38:51
really be so careful about what we do.
38:53
OK. So I think we kind of.
38:55
Went down that senior cat rat hole.
38:57
I think a lot of us, I know that we found ourselves in the
38:59
situation. We welcomed a new family member
39:03
that was 27 lbs at the time. Obviously, big boy.
39:07
We, we asked our veterinarian, which I'm curious about.
39:11
I'm curious about your opinion on this.
39:14
So when people ask us like, well, how much should my cat
39:17
weigh? I always say you should ask your
39:19
vet what their healthy weight is and what their body condition
39:22
score is because I didn't, I didn't even know what the body
39:26
condition score. And with and with our Pooh bear,
39:29
you know, you think most cats are around 10 or 12 lbs, right?
39:33
They said his healthy weight is 17.
39:35
Yeah, he's a big. He's a big boy.
39:37
He's. Big bone, that body score index
39:40
is so much more important than weight, you know?
39:43
So what I will tell people to do is go online and look for a body
39:47
score index for your cat because it'll show you one through 9 and
39:51
where they should be. And I, we always do body scores
39:57
on our soaps that we do on our cats that we, we see.
40:01
And I do talk about, you know, the cat that I see that has a
40:04
body score of 7 or 7 1/2 or 8 or whatever.
40:09
What can we do for those animals to help?
40:12
Well, obviously getting them moving is one thing.
40:15
Obviously getting them off of the kibbles that we talked about
40:18
is another. You know, and, and working with,
40:22
you know, high quality protein foods, obviously with the
40:27
supplements are, are great. I do think that we will see GLP
40:32
ones for cats. It's already being developed for
40:36
the dog. You know, there's a company
40:37
right now that's producing what they call a longevity drug,
40:41
which is a GLP one. Honestly, that's all it is.
40:43
And it's for this the larger dog that's overweight basically.
40:48
And you know, we don't know the long term effects of these
40:51
things at this point, but but you know, there are ways around
40:55
some of this. But you can do this without
40:58
medication. Honestly, you really can, as
41:01
long as there's not anything else systemically going on.
41:04
I love that you mentioned that you.
41:05
Know so I think you know when we talk about activity with cats
41:08
like it's great and I really do hope that people kind of look at
41:12
this is not as play time, but prioritize it as as under as
41:18
under stimulating their little predators that live in their
41:20
house. It's it will help their house
41:23
man. I think that we do run into
41:25
challenges when we get into the senior cash, which I'm glad that
41:27
we kind of walked through and with our cats that are already
41:30
overweight, sometimes I think it feels like they think the only
41:34
thing they can do is caloric restrictions.
41:38
Do you have have you worked with a cat that's kind of a chunk
41:43
that you know? What are some ideas that you
41:46
have to kind of get that little one moving?
41:48
Is it kind of like what Jay said about it's it's dinner time,
41:51
let's move your food around, We're going to make you walk all
41:53
over the house? Or do you have any ideas like
41:56
for? I think I think so many things
41:59
that we. Talked about would be pertinent
42:01
in that world, but again, in starting very small and and you
42:05
know, people don't realize that when we talk about caloric
42:08
restriction, we don't mean starving your cat.
42:10
What we mean is getting them off of high caloric poor diets where
42:16
we're using the the threshold food or the lightly cooked diet
42:20
or the freeze dried or frozen raw diets because these are
42:24
protein and veggies and they're get their carbs from the veggies
42:28
they don't need, you know, cats are obligate carnivores.
42:30
They don't need carbs, you know, not in the way that we're used
42:35
to doing it, you know, so you're absolutely right.
42:38
And then, you know, slowly doing things.
42:40
I mean, like Jay said that moving that dish around is a
42:42
great start and then working into other play toys or whatever
42:47
would be really, really wonderful.
42:50
But I tell people the most important thing that we have to
42:53
consider is slow. It's not, we don't want them to
42:57
lose 5 lbs in a week. That's not healthy.
43:00
You know, that's what we where we do get into the hepatic
43:03
lipidosis, the fatty liver syndromes and what not.
43:06
So you know it, each one of them is an individual.
43:09
But also I think checking blood work is a very important thing
43:12
in this situation because I have found cats that are hypothyroid
43:17
where their thyroid glands not producing enough hormone so
43:20
their metabolism is off. So everything they eat, they're
43:23
incorporating, you know, or I have, you know, corrected their
43:26
Biome and on all of a sudden they're starting to lose weight
43:29
because they're not getting into this leaky gut syndrome and
43:31
absorbing stuff that they don't need.
43:34
So it all interplays. Everything we've talked about
43:37
really works together hand in hand.
43:39
So what for all? Of us for for for those of us
43:43
with cats that are 8 and under, still very active.
43:46
Those are the senior cats. Maybe cats that are already a
43:49
little chunky. What one small activity do you
43:53
think that we could all start incorporating?
43:56
Like if we're going to put on a schedule, what, what's your one
43:59
suggestion for all of us that we could start?
44:03
Well, you know, I I don't. Know that I would have a one
44:05
answer that's such a great question.
44:06
But I think so many things we talked about, it really is what
44:10
the the cat will love more than what I would suggest, you know.
44:14
So whether it's, you know, whether it's a catnip toy,
44:17
whether it's moving a plate around, whether it's a laser
44:21
pointer, whether it's aluminum foil ball, I mean, we have so
44:25
many options. I just kind of like, I leave it
44:28
up to my cat a lot of times because I think they tell us,
44:30
you know, what they love and then just do it, you know, just
44:33
doing it. You know, I think so many times,
44:37
Adrian, this is falling on us and not on the cat.
44:40
You know, it's falling on us because we're not doing it, you
44:42
know? So if we just do it and even if
44:45
it's in small amounts, it'll make a big difference and make a
44:48
huge difference. Yeah, I do have a comment.
44:51
I've seen a. Couple of these comments that I
44:53
thought I would react to. So floppy cats has asked about
44:57
GLP one for cats. Will I be game for this?
45:00
I want to see what the research shows us down the road.
45:03
I'm not going to comment that I would be game or not game that,
45:07
you know, basically we have to see what that shows us.
45:10
And also Jr. mentioned that he did have a cat that had an
45:13
adverse reaction to Adequon. It does happen.
45:16
I, I, I, I think Jr. is great for mentioning that.
45:19
And Kim talks about working for a holistic vet and they do
45:23
underwater treadmill for cats. Of course.
45:26
It, it, it, it can go very, very well taking the right steps and
45:29
taking it slowly. So I just wanted to comment on
45:31
some of the, some of the comments we've been getting.
45:34
I love that I. Love that so much.
45:36
Yeah, there there's. It's just, I think like the main
45:40
take away is get your cat moving right, like and maybe that
45:44
means. You get moving and.
45:46
But maybe that means that you. Do say when.
45:48
I get home from work, but when my day is done, we're going to
45:51
do 20 minutes or maybe it's in the morning.
45:53
You get up 20 minutes earlier. I I really do think that play
45:57
time, no, no one in this modern world has time for play time
46:02
unless they're super Ballers at this point, right?
46:06
For our cats, it's not play time.
46:07
It's part of their what they need.
46:13
Yeah, I also. I also.
46:15
Just want to throw out real real quick because when our Oliver
46:19
Twist, when he hit his senior years and he he was the the door
46:23
dasher, he's the one that always wanted to go.
46:26
Thank you. Excuse me?
46:28
He's the one that always. Wanted to go outside.
46:30
I'm sorry, babe, when when he hit those senior years and we,
46:34
you know, we didn't let him go outside because he was also
46:38
like, I want to go explore the world and then, you know, but do
46:44
think you know, when you when you have like a geriatric cat.
46:47
One of the things that we did as he got into those geriatric
46:52
years is we did let him go outside with us and we would sit
46:56
outside and we would, you know, watch him, but he was no longer
46:59
going to jump the walls, no longer going to, you know, like
47:02
in our, but he was so enriching for him.
47:06
He would. Walk he would.
47:07
Run he would. He would move because and we
47:10
couldn't get him to move as much inside, but when we brought him
47:13
outside, he would move a lot. And that's something that, you
47:16
know, like maybe we should think of if if anyone listening that
47:20
has a senior cat that you know, you're still might, you still
47:23
might be scared like, you know, we are that, you know, they're
47:26
going to be attacked or run away or whatever it is if you let
47:31
them outside. If, if they're in those
47:33
geriatric years, supervised time outside, not even necessarily on
47:37
a leash. He really did not like the
47:39
harness. He kind of fell over.
47:42
We tried that. But but supervised time outside
47:45
is, is another great thing that is both mentally stimulating and
47:50
physically stimulating for our kitties, for our senior
47:52
geriatric kitties. Yeah.
47:54
And you know. There's definitely something to
47:56
be said, as we all know, because we live in this kind of
48:00
environment. You guys in Vegas, me and
48:02
Tucson, the sun in the air are so important, you know, and I
48:06
feel for my cats a lot of times that I don't think they get
48:09
enough of that. And, and it's hard.
48:12
I mean, I love, I have clients here that that create cattios
48:16
and you know, they're outdoor enclosures so that the cat can
48:18
be safe but can be out there. And I think that does help too.
48:23
But yes, absolutely on the senior cat that we know we're
48:28
not gonna lose because it's not gonna jump the wall.
48:30
Like you said, it's a great, it's a great way to go.
48:34
Obviously outdoors is a great way to go.
48:37
Yeah, real quick A. A comment that I just saw come
48:39
in, I know we gotta wrap it up and I want you to give us a
48:42
teaser on our next episode with you, but Susan is asking, well,
48:46
PEA for joints, palmatory ethnolamide.
48:49
What are your thoughts on that? You know, I don't know enough.
48:52
About it, I think that's, I saw that question and I probably
48:58
have to look at it more. Quite honestly.
49:00
I, it is something that I really don't know that much about.
49:03
So you know me, I'm always very transparent about this.
49:06
If I don't know, I'll look and I'll come back and tell us.
49:09
But I love that. I love that.
49:11
So much so, so Doctor Judy Morgan is a, is a huge advocate
49:15
for PEA for both cats and and dogs and people.
49:21
But but yeah, it's, it's, it's proven to really, really help as
49:26
far as joints are concerned, as well as the nervous system and,
49:29
and lots of things. We advocate for it, for
49:32
cystitis, for feline idiopathic cystitis, because there's so
49:36
many studies on that with EA, but that I believe there's
49:40
probably also, I'm sure there's probably a ton of studies on
49:43
joints too. I'm going to have to look for
49:46
sure. I would.
49:46
Definitely take a look at that for sure, I love.
49:49
Hublers, my lazy play tip. I think we can put this one in
49:54
our pocket right when I'm busy. I tied a long string to my belt
49:59
loops and so when I was walking around she would chase it lol.
50:03
See, it can be as simple as that.
50:05
Guys, thank you. Thank you, Hubler.
50:08
Thank you so much for that. Absolutely, Absolutely.
50:10
What a great listener that that's a great suggestion and
50:14
that kind of stuff. It doesn't have to be
50:16
complicated. It doesn't have to be an
50:18
expensive thing. Yeah, that's a great.
50:20
That's a great way to go. I love it.
50:23
Amber was. Crickets.
50:24
Moving, I said. Walking.
50:25
In PEA did. Wonders for cricket post
50:27
bilateral lux. They did Patella surgery
50:30
surgeries. I love that Amber.
50:32
Also, we need to follow up with you because you won the VIP
50:35
giveaway and we still need to know what product you want.
50:38
Doctor Randy. Yes, ma'am.
50:42
He called me ma'am. There you go.
50:46
I'm. Do you feel old?
50:48
No, I. Kind of like disrespectful.
50:50
I just kind of liked. I know, yeah.
50:52
I mean, I grew up in Michigan but spent a lot of time in the
50:54
South. So ma'am is a is a thing,
50:58
respectful thing. And so let's give a little
51:00
teaser for our next episode coming up next month because
51:04
this and it's perfect timing, right?
51:08
February is dental health awareness month and this is
51:12
something that is very important for our cats.
51:15
Can you give us a little sneak peek?
51:18
Absolutely so. In my cats, pneumonic tea is for
51:21
teeth and people say like, well, why do you want to spend all
51:25
this time talking about teeth? It's because in my world, and,
51:29
and once we start looking at this, this is so critical
51:33
because again, our cats have stomatitis, they have resorptive
51:38
lesions. These are incredibly painful.
51:41
They can be incredibly problematic.
51:44
They're very inflammatory. And we need to talk about this
51:48
because they're hiding this a lot of times.
51:51
And again, I'm not trying to just strum the veterinarians,
51:55
you know, guitar here, but you know, an exam sometimes is
51:59
really important to find these because I have clients that have
52:02
no idea. And I open up the cat's mouth
52:05
and here is this resorptive lesion and all they have to do
52:08
is take a very light Q-tip and touch it and the cat just
52:11
twitches. And I don't do that to hurt the
52:13
animal. I do that to make people
52:15
understand how bad this is, how your cat is just suffering with
52:19
this and not letting you know. So we're going to talk about
52:22
teeth because I think it's so critical and, and the, the Biome
52:27
in the mouth and the Biome and the bow and how that all effects
52:30
it. But that's definitely coming up
52:31
and, and we'll have a whole segment on that and have fun
52:34
with it, just like we've had fun on these first two.
52:37
I'm I'm very excited. Because it is such an important
52:39
subject when it comes to teeth, I will tell you just off the bat
52:44
and and as more of a teaser, we didn't find out that there was
52:47
any. Like we didn't even think about
52:48
our cat's teeth whatsoever until one of them we found a a rotted
52:54
tooth of one of our cats in our bag.
52:57
A canine tooth. A cane.
53:00
Sheets. In our sheets, in our bed.
53:02
And it was like, oh, we should do something about that.
53:07
And then you went around hunting to see.
53:09
Who lost a tooth? If one of us humans lost a tooth
53:12
like that, you know, well before that tooth fell out, that's the
53:17
right. Like, that's how stoic our cats
53:20
are. Yeah.
53:20
So it's going to be especially. Especially a canine.
53:23
Tooth that's up in the maxillary sinus and Oh my God, that's got
53:27
to be so painful. And it's the root of so much
53:30
infection that. Yeah, how does that happen?
53:33
And we don't know it because it does.
53:35
I mean, I've seen it a lot of times and, you know, I'll go
53:38
into an examination and I'm just kind of, you know, looking at
53:42
their mouth and I'm just touching it and it's already
53:44
moving and I'm. Oh, God, you know, that's just
53:46
that it hurts. It really hurts.
53:49
It hurts me. It hurts the owner.
53:50
When they find out, let's not let that happen.
53:53
Let's talk about that next year. We'll do that.
53:56
Yeah, and that's. Why we we all?
53:57
Do what we do right, like we we've learned.
54:00
Most of the stuff the hard way. So absolutely excited to have
54:03
you back on next month, which is National Dental Pet Health
54:08
Awareness Month or Dental Awareness month.
54:11
Nailed it, whatever. But we're we're very excited.
54:15
Yeah. And one of the things I just
54:16
want to. End with is, you know, a lot of
54:18
people say, well, how did you get to this point where you kind
54:21
of know the things that you know and and doing the things you do?
54:24
I tell people because I made every mistake in the book, you
54:27
know, when you make mistakes and you learn from them, you'll
54:30
never do them again, especially in my world when it can really
54:33
affect an animal's health. And thank God, none of them were
54:36
so bad that I, I, I don't forget about it.
54:39
But you know that it really helps to learn from those
54:41
things. And that's how we all learn that
54:43
we learn from these kinds of situations.
54:46
And we're laying this out there for our people so that they,
54:49
they can pass it on to others. So make sure you watch this.
54:52
If you, if you haven't watched it or you haven't watched the
54:54
sea, tell your friends about it. We're going to keep so please
54:59
join us yes, so I'm so. Grateful.
55:02
For you, especially from a place of veterinarian, which I think
55:05
you know you, you come from veterinarians are you know that
55:09
that authority that really help us be better parents.
55:14
You, you come from this. Very beautiful, understanding
55:17
place. I love that you just kind of
55:18
said that about all of us making mistakes and you know, and how
55:24
how helpful it can be in our journeys.
55:26
And it's not, it's not necessarily a failure.
55:28
It's really a step up and you're so non judgmental and you're so
55:31
helpful in helping us better understand our cats.
55:34
We love you, Doctor Randy and. We love you so much.
55:37
I love you guys too and. Happy New Year and for all your
55:40
listeners, thank you for coming along with this journey.
55:43
You know, we're going to spread the word.
55:44
We're going to get more of this out there for all of our cat
55:47
people to understand. Yes, absolutely.
55:50
Absolutely. So we will see you guys again
55:52
next month. We will see you Doctor Randy
55:54
again next month to discuss and thank you so much.
55:58
And then again, take away, get your cat moving right now.
56:01
Go play with your cat. Go play with your cat.
56:03
We love you guys so much. Happy New Year, everybody.
56:06
Happy New Year.