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EP 491: Stud Standards feat. Carter the Body · Decisions, Decisions

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  Speaker 1: Decisions, decisions. Hey, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Decisions, Decisions.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your girl, Mandy B., a.k.a. Peg the Stallion, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 1: Peggy Bundy, a.k.a. that bitch.
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  Speaker 3: What is this, baby?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 3: You know, every time we have an actor on, she
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  Speaker 3: try to do shit like this.
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  Speaker 4: Oh. First off.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Weezy, by the way, everybody. Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 1: Do I always do this with actors? No, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I do it with people that could or could not
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  Speaker 4: get fucked. I just want to be a little sexy
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  Speaker 4: for a little bit. Well, nice to meet you, Weezy.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Carter.
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  Speaker 4: And I heard about your classes in NYC. Congratulations as
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  Speaker 4: a black woman.
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  Speaker 1: They're coming to LA?
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  Speaker 4: Well, extra congratulations because, you know, that's my city. But
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  Speaker 4: also being in New York as a black woman and
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  Speaker 4: having a business... Freaking hard.
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  Speaker 1: Hello.
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  Speaker 4: I'm waking cuss right? Girl! I'm so serious right now.
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  Speaker 4: I don't say freaking. I'm so.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, actually, wait, wait, wait.
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  Speaker 4: I'm so monetized with.
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  Speaker 2: I was about to say, say freaking for the first
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  Speaker 2: seven minutes because we are on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: And we would like to make some money.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and as you should.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so freaking until about the 6.55 mark.
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  Speaker 1: Got it.
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  Speaker 4: That's freaking awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Freaking awesome.
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  Speaker 4: As a black woman, not even just black because black men, period,
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  Speaker 4: in NYC, but a black woman, you have a double...
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  Speaker 4: a standard as far as like you can't win we can't.
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  Speaker 1: We can't win ever no well.
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  Speaker 4: Fuck New York ever well I got three I'm black
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  Speaker 4: woman and stud so oh we.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna talk about that what about sometimes STEM no wait
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  Speaker 1: you're never a.
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  Speaker 4: STEM no no But I have femininity that I don't
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  Speaker 4: even recognize. Is it because you just asked for awkward for? Wait,
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  Speaker 4: is it because you just asked for awkward for? First off,
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  Speaker 4: I take care of myself and I suggest all men
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  Speaker 4: do that too.
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  Speaker 1: Hello. Period.
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  Speaker 4: I don't like, like, even like getting your nails done
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  Speaker 4: and getting your feet done as a male. Women like that.
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  Speaker 4: I know women be like, oh, I like my men
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  Speaker 4: to work hard. They can work hard, but also have,
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  Speaker 4: you want, you want them nails in your, in your
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  Speaker 4: vagina for YouTube?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's because we use our hands so much.
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  Speaker 3: as women that have sex with women. That's why we're
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  Speaker 3: so conscious about nails.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm also a woman at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think straight women are. And I don't think
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  Speaker 1: they care. Wait, what? Wait, wait, wait.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on, hold on.
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  Speaker 1: Let me introduce the guests before we get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Because now you're about to goddamn just drop some goddamn
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  Speaker 2: hot takes.
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  Speaker 4: I got to praise my black women first. Listen.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, girl. I love that.
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  Speaker 4: It's NYC.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, my kitty came out because she was playing with me.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all, the third voice that y'all are hearing on the
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  Speaker 2: microphone and in this episode is of.
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  Speaker 1: Carter the Body. Woo!
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  Speaker 2: And if you are unfamiliar, she is an actress, entertainer,
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  Speaker 2: and fitness personality best known for playing Trouble on BET Plus'
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  Speaker 2: drama All the Queen's Men.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. But also up-and-coming producer and developer.
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  Speaker 1: Very exciting.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 4: Right now, so I just found out another niche, so.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. That's fire. I love that. Now, we
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  Speaker 1: are going to get into it, too. Now, I read this.
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  Speaker 4: You are also a former exotic dancer. transitioned into acting.
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  Speaker 1: I love this. I could see it too. No holes.
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  Speaker 1: No holes, Bard. That's our New York Times bestselling book.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, yes.
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  Speaker 1: But I want to get into that a little bit
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  Speaker 1: too as well.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely. I'm very open.
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  Speaker 2: And if you are unfamiliar with everything she's doing recently,
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  Speaker 2: she has also appeared on Love & Hip Hop Hollywood
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  Speaker 2: and the Lipstick series and is establishing a presence across not.
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  Speaker 1: Only reality television but clearly scripted.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: A passion.
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  Speaker 2: With a character that Weezy's mom just screamed to the
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  Speaker 2: rooftop about.
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  Speaker 1: So, love that.
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  Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many celebrities I've run into
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  Speaker 3: in L.A. with my mom, including Pharrell, and she did
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  Speaker 3: not scream like that. No, she just screamed.
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  Speaker 1: And I was mad that she didn't have her face beat.
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  Speaker 4: I was literally, she was like, oh, you done got
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  Speaker 4: me on the phone with trouble. And I was, baby,
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  Speaker 4: I'm a whole woman.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay.
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  Speaker 4: I was in my bonnet earlier, too.
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  Speaker 1: Girl, my mom probably hit me. This is the thing.
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  Speaker 3: As, you know, my mom is a Studio 54 girl,
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  Speaker 3: very open, knows about my sexuality, my non-monogamy, all of it.
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  Speaker 3: My mom is fantasizing right now that one day, trouble,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm doing that in quotations, y'all, to be respectful
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  Speaker 3: of people. Because I hate when someone says the actor,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the character the whole time.
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  Speaker 4: I actually like, it's okay, I like it.
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  Speaker 3: My mom is waiting for trouble to wake up.
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  Speaker 1: My mom is, I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 4: Your mom waiting to see how trouble eat that cake. Well,
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  Speaker 4: she needs to wait until part two of season five.
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  Speaker 1: There we go. Boom. Where you will see Trouble eat
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: Wheezy's cooch.
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  Speaker 4: That is not. I don't say too much, but part
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  Speaker 4: two of season five, that is the most. Erotic most.
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  Speaker 4: And it wasn't uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. What? You said the most erotic.
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  Speaker 4: What? Oh. What?
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  Speaker 1: So it's coming soon. What made it so erotic?
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  Speaker 4: I can't say too much.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: But it's something I ain't never done on anything. Wow.
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  Speaker 4: And I say that because even on the lipstick series
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  Speaker 4: that you mentioned, I was going wild on there.
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  Speaker 2: Can I ask you, did you have and is there
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  Speaker 2: an intimacy coordinator on All The Queensmen? And what is
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  Speaker 2: that like for you representing, like, only because we've had
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  Speaker 2: so many conversations with intimacy coordinators as far as, like,
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  Speaker 2: heterosexual engagement and making sure a woman feels comfortable with
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  Speaker 2: a man.
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  Speaker 4: Or either or.
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  Speaker 1: Or either or.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: What is an intimacy coordinator like working with you during
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  Speaker 1: your season?
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  Speaker 4: They are amazing. They make sure we are comfortable, make sure.
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  Speaker 4: And the thing is, even so, when we get our
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  Speaker 4: script and I'm reading it, I'm just especially usually I'm like, OK, cool.
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  Speaker 4: This last one, my anxiety and my ADHD, I feel
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  Speaker 4: like I can see my heart doing this when I'm reading,
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  Speaker 4: you know. So stay tuned for season five of part two.
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  Speaker 1: You ready for that one?
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  Speaker 4: It's going to go viral.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Bad. Like, not bad, but, like, in a good way
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  Speaker 4: to the point where men are probably be mad, but
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  Speaker 4: it's okay.
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  Speaker 1: I fuck with y'all. It's okay. Oh.
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  Speaker 4: Not like that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wait, hold on. You pulled the strap out? You
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  Speaker 1: was about to take this episode somewhere else. No, you
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  Speaker 1: pulled out the strap. Well, well, well. Why are you
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  Speaker 1: niggas so mad about a strap?
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  Speaker 4: Hold on.
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  Speaker 1: Because when you said that, I knew it. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about it.
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  Speaker 5: Hold on.
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  Speaker 4: But, no, we're going to talk about it because of
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  Speaker 4: what you said because I got questions. And we'll be
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  Speaker 4: talking about it in the bathroom, in essence.
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  Speaker 5: I know.
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  Speaker 4: So, um. Intimacy coordinators are there to make you feel comfortable,
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  Speaker 4: even if you change your mind at the last minute.
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  Speaker 4: And I was going to be, they help direct.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: But also whatever you're comfortable with, they like, okay, do
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  Speaker 4: you have something in mind? Let me see it. If not,
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  Speaker 4: if they don't see the vision for it, like to
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  Speaker 4: make it more like not raunchy and like porn-ish. Because
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  Speaker 4: I don't want none of my scenes to be.
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  Speaker 1: Trashy.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely. Classy, but nasty.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting that you mentioned intimacy coordinated. So the last time
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  Speaker 3: we had this conversation was with Chloe Bailey for that movie.
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  Speaker 1: For Strong.
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  Speaker 3: And frankly, and this is no shade to Chloe, she
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  Speaker 3: doesn't seem to have as much sexual energy as you.
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  Speaker 1: And I think when we.
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  Speaker 4: She's young. She's young.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I was young.
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  Speaker 1: She's a baby. I think being sexual energy is a
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  Speaker 1: different thing. I don't... I think I know... She's a baby. Baby,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a grown-ass woman. I know sexual energy when I'm around.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I'm not saying she isn't sexy. She's got a
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  Speaker 3: beautiful body and she bad. I'm talking about the energy.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: I bring that up because I wonder if an intimacy
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  Speaker 3: coordinator would assume that, like, they're good.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 4: So that's exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Does that one happen?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. So, even with my past sexual scenes with all
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  Speaker 4: the Queen's men, it was regular. And it was like, okay.
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  Speaker 4: But this major one that's coming up, I can't say
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  Speaker 4: too much.
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  Speaker 1: We know. Just keep going, though. I want to hear.
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  Speaker 4: They was like, you okay? But one thing about it is,
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  Speaker 4: if it doesn't... So, Tyler Perry. Shout out to Tyler
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  Speaker 4: Perry Studios. And shout out to the intimacy coordinators. Because
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  Speaker 4: if it doesn't align with who you are, especially that
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  Speaker 4: I am a masculine presenting woman... And I'm like seeing
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  Speaker 4: things that don't fit in the script that is like, um,
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  Speaker 4: I would never do that. Or Trouble would never do that.
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  Speaker 1: Or Trouble would never do it either.
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  Speaker 4: Mainly Carter. But is YouTube done? I can say what
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  Speaker 4: I want to say? Yes. Okay. So as it's some
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  Speaker 4: white people shit.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, girl, that was not the best word.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. So when I read it, I was just like, um,
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  Speaker 4: as black women or masculine or even just men, we
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  Speaker 4: would never use that. It wasn't cock. I hate that word.
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  Speaker 4: I can not stand it. I don't even like penis,
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  Speaker 4: but I'd rather.
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  Speaker 1: You say dick.
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  Speaker 4: I just see cum around somebody's lips when they say cock.
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  Speaker 3: It's so whitish. There was a woman sucking my man's dick.
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  Speaker 1: Black. And she said, cock?
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  Speaker 3: She said, you want to suck his cock with me?
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  Speaker 3: And me and him both looked at each other like this.
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  Speaker 1: I would have laughed in the middle of the goddamn break. Girl,
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  Speaker 1: that's not. Do not call my nigga's nigga cock. When
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  Speaker 1: she left, the first.
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  Speaker 3: Thing he said was, when was the last time you
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  Speaker 3: think she fucked a nigga.
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  Speaker 1: That looked like me? And I was like, bro.
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  Speaker 4: Or a nigga period, because what the fuck? Or it
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  Speaker 4: could be an Oreo man. They'd be like, yes. What? That's, no. But, no,
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't that. It was, I don't want to say,
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  Speaker 4: because that's not going to show. Let's say I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to give too much.
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  Speaker 1: It was a dildo? It was just a word?
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  Speaker 4: It's, I can't say too much because I got to like,
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  Speaker 4: I want people. Yes, but it was a deal that
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  Speaker 4: we would, as a black person, would never fucking use.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like that you're saying this.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you right now, as a black woman. Purple, blue, green.
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  Speaker 4: It was worse than that.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, no, no. Now I feel like you're judging.
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  Speaker 1: Was it a tentacle? Because I use tentacles. I use
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  Speaker 1: Tyrannosaurus Rex. And I also have a purple one.
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  Speaker 4: No. Oh, I'm just saying. It was none of that. Oh.
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  Speaker 4: It was something that I don't even think you would use.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even think white people would use.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think I wouldn't use? Wait, did they
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  Speaker 1: think the color matched you?
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't even. No, I would. That's the thing. I
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  Speaker 4: wanted it to match.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I have a unicorn one, too. It's like.
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  Speaker 4: It's a unicorn.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a unicorn dildo?
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  Speaker 4: I like natural, baby.
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  Speaker 1: I got a. I have really. I like. Flesh comb.
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  Speaker 1: Flesh tone.
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  Speaker 4: Not too dark, not white. I need to be, what
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  Speaker 4: is it, mulatto.
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  Speaker 1: That is problematic. That's why she changed her name.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't say her.
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  Speaker 1: But mulatto, you can't use that word. But that's what
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  Speaker 1: it's called on the dick. I ain't never bought no
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  Speaker 1: mulatto dick.
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  Speaker 4: It says mulatto.
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  Speaker 1: It do? Yes. Oh, that's problematic.
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  Speaker 3: We still like Gypsy Woman and so on, but we
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  Speaker 3: can't say Gypsy.
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  Speaker 4: It's a confusing term. Yeah, no, it does not say
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  Speaker 4: light skin. It says mulatto. That's how I know y'all
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  Speaker 4: just be doing whatever the fuck y'all want.
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  Speaker 2: I just told you I have a purple and blue
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  Speaker 2: Tyrannosaurus Rex dildo with a tail and feet.
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  Speaker 4: But why? Is it silicone?
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Jacob. Yeah, he gave it to me
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  Speaker 1: and then I bought.
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  Speaker 4: So because I peg men.
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  Speaker 1: There's men who.
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  Speaker 4: That's why I want to talk about it. So there
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  Speaker 4: are men who, when I want to deal with toys
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  Speaker 4: or play with toys, they don't want toys that look
• 11:24
  Speaker 4: like dicks. So they're fine with being fucked by a dinosaur,
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  Speaker 4: a tentacle, a unicorn horn. So they won't think they gay?
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  Speaker 1: But no, I get it.
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  Speaker 3: Penetrate me in an asshole anal-y butt. It has to
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  Speaker 3: be purple.
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  Speaker 1: It's an octopus.
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  Speaker 3: Don't you dare let it have a mushroom top.
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  Speaker 4: I get it, but it's the stigmatism of what we
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  Speaker 4: put on men. Because first off, that's where their G-spot is.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't think it's fair for people to judge. Like,
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  Speaker 4: we can have a G-spot all day. But being in
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  Speaker 4: this But unfortunately, in their ass, I don't think that's
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  Speaker 4: gay because that's their height.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's crazy about that? Listen, none of us
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  Speaker 1: in this room probably think that's gay. You don't want
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: to know what's crazy about that.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, I have to argue with a gay
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  Speaker 4: man to say that's gay. I'm like, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but my gay friends do that too.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it's just a fantasy of them wanting
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  Speaker 3: to fuck straight niggas.
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  Speaker 4: I can't stand it. It's like, it's not fair.
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  Speaker 1: They be like, listen, if you fucked them in the ass, bitch,
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  Speaker 1: I know I can get them. Oh, I don't like
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: that argument. Oh, well. I don't like that argument. No, I.
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  Speaker 4: I be going out of my way to let them
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  Speaker 4: know you are not gay because I did it.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: No, but that's.
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  Speaker 1: I did it.
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  Speaker 4: But that's the truth.
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  Speaker 1: It is the truth.
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  Speaker 4: It's the truth. It's a woman. It's not another man.
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  Speaker 4: Regardless if, regardless if it's the ass.
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  Speaker 1: Now, on the flip side, you know, women do this
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  Speaker 1: with studs all the time. What they do? What they do?
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  Speaker 3: I've had two straight homegirls, when they talk about being women,
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: they be like.
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  Speaker 1: But she was. Do they? That's a thing? Is she what?
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  Speaker 3: She was with a stud? Basically saying they was with
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  Speaker 3: a stud.
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  Speaker 4: So they don't want to claim that they're a lesbian.
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  Speaker 4: You could have fucked a nigga, but you didn't. You
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  Speaker 4: let her go down on you. You let a woman
• 12:58
  Speaker 4: fuck you. Well, first off, we are ADHD as crazy.
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: All of us.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: It's insane. We need a list. We talked about, okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into all the things. From the start.
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  Speaker 4: Mama, I love you.
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: From the start.
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  Speaker 4: All the moms and the grandmas love me. We can
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: start from there. We talked about your role. My who?
• 13:21
  Speaker 4: My role.
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  Speaker 2: Your role, but I want to go back a little
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: bit before then.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, let's start with a quick icebreaker. Okay. Especially since
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: you are.
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  Speaker 4: In scripted television.
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: We got to stay on topic. We are.
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: Because the thing is, we could do this for three hours.
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: No, because I'm going to a party and I got
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: to eat dinner. What do you be like on a date?
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: Now I want to know. So, icebreaker, let's have fun here.
• 13:39
  Speaker 4: Don't let me be on my ass.
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: It's three hours already?
• 13:42
  Speaker 4: Listen, right.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: We did this with Tank. You are in Hollywood.
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: You've been knowing me for over 12 years.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: And so I want you.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: to give us your Mount Rushmore of lesbians in Hollywood.
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: So if you had to name your Mount Rushmore of
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: lesbian or queer women in Hollywood, who would be on
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: your Mount Rushmore?
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't have to be Hollywood. Maybe we just
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: say famous.
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: That's what she means.
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: So the thing is, I'm in awe when, and the
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: thing is, again, as an older stud, and I had
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: to say like, oh, you're not a stud anymore because
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: you're grown.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, who?
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: But that was from a man.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: But as a term, yes, the masculine presenting woman, I'm
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: a woman all day. Mount Rushmore of Lena Waithe. Okay.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: Ooh, great one. Okay.
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: I think old when I think of Mount Rushmore, but
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: she's so accomplished that I should have asked.
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: On Tank's Mount Rushmore, he had Chris Brown. No, of course.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: But sometimes when I think, I'm like, I was like
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: Queen Latifah.
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, well.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: Oh. She was... So that's on your Mount Rushmore CIS.
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: So first off, she followed me. Shout out to the queen.
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: And that was the only representation. So I'm born in
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: the early 80s. I'm not going to say, but early 80s.
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: They say OG to me type shit. So, yeah, they do.
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: I'm Auntie Auntie.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: So you wouldn't put Queen Latifah on there?
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: Why? So the thing is, as the representation.
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: We wasn't represented.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Her roles weren't ever. You're right.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: Because we didn't know.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: We assumed. We knew.
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: But as far as I get why, but at the
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: same time, I felt like who she was, she could
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: have still been out and still doing her thing because
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: of who she is.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: She kept it very private.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: But I get it. You know what I'm saying? Especially
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: in the entertainment industry, we have to suppress ourselves, which
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: fucking sucks. Not only as black, but as women as well.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: You think she ever would?
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: She was out here loving on Common, bitch.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: That's what I know. That's the role I remember her.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: You know, but it's also being her authentic self. The
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: first time I ever saw her authentic self was on
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: my favorite movie of all.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: Set It Off.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Yes. That was.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: That's why I was just like, finally.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, no. I don't think that's fair. Just
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: because she had straight backs, didn't know makeup.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Makeup. No, no, no. But straight backs and no makeup
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: does not make you queer.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: She was just the homegirl in a little rough.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Nah. She would have been a tomboy. No, facts. Dick down.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: But facts.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: But no, see, no.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: She did not play a queer woman on Set It Off.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: We not gonna do that.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, she did.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: She's like the stud.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: We knew that she had a girlfriend or she was
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: just an ex and no makeup.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: No, she had a girlfriend.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Don't set it off. Okay, wait.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: I know you haven't watched the classic. First off, I've
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: reenacted myself. All right, now I don't want to talk
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: to you. What do you mean she had an actual
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: girlfriend and kissed and was making love on top.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Of a car? I'm trying to remember. I'm like, maybe
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: this was a while ago.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: She didn't speak.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: She had a girlfriend, though. She had a buzz cut
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: like you. Or was she bisexual? God.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: On set it off?
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: On set it off.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: How young are y'all?
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Babe, I've been fucking bitches on cars.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: Wait, wait, wait, wait a minute. I feel like that
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: was the thing. That was like how we were like,
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, now she's in her bag.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: We see she's gay. Because she had straight backs, no makeup. No,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: because she had a whole girlfriend. Girlfriend just hates the
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: pussy on the car. It was her. It ain't the same.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: It ain't the same. She just didn't speak.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: She had a whole girlfriend and they were mad because
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: she was like all up on the girlfriend.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: All right, pay attention. You don't remember her with the
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: buzz cut?
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: That was, I thought that was why we all called
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: her gay back then. No, she was. Okay, I'm. No,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: we called her. We saw it. Okay, said it all. Okay, okay, okay. Okay,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: so you're not adding her to your Mount Rushmore.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: It's not that because she is the queen and, but
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: also she had to do what she had to do.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, I had to endure a
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: lot in high school as of being who I truly
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: was and being the only out masculine woman and being
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: confronted on, even though it was other women that were gay,
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: I was the one that's like, oh, I'm not going
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: to say my first name, but Carter, my last name
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: is Carter. Carter is a lesbo in the bathroom. And
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, spray painted, like graffiti. How old are you?
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: And it happens.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: I was like 16, 15. I was in high school.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: But I was the only out one. Even though I
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: knew there was others with me, they still dressed like
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: a little feminine to like uphold their like, oh, I'm not.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: They just weren't ready yet.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: They wasn't. But I wasn't ready either. My girlfriend at
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: the time was like, bitch, if you don't kiss me,
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh. Oh.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you're not putting Queen, but you have Lead
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the Way. Lead the Way, absolutely. Let's go to your
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: other three.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: Sway.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I'm going to keep you on.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Track here to show y'all that I'm autistic and not ADHD.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: Say less. I was about to go through my background.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Okay. Sway.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Sway the pro.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Sway.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Portia's girl. And I say that because... Wait, as a
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Mount Rushmore? Yes, because of... because of what she represents
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: as far as who she is, and also a millionaire. Okay.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: We are not, we, as masculine-presenting women, regardless of how
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: smart we are, we are still, like, black women, and
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: now you're gay, but look like a nigga. So, like, no,
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: you're not, you don't, I don't give a, they, we
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: push through, we push through the hardest things to even
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: get to where we are.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Uh-uh.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Don't go there yet, because I got that to get
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: to as well after Essence Weekend. So Sway, now can
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: I get the other two?
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: And then we're going to get into that. Because I
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: think that that could be very controversial, what you just said.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Okay, say less. If I know another millionaire that pushed
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: through that was masculine, then I don't know.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Besides Lena Waithe.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: So Lena Waithe. Give me two more, though.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Snoop.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were going to say Snoop.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: And I say Snoop because even though it was The Wire,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: a lot of people don't watch The Wire. But they
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: didn't put makeup on her. They didn't dumb her down.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: And that's what they do with like especially masculine presenting
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: women and that's why shout out to Tyler Perry they
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: didn't do that to me like oh we gonna put
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: the blue line I absolutely not they didn't do that
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: to Snoop either but I yes she was her authentic
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: self and I was like we can do that oh
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: say less you know what I'm saying so I'm definitely
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: putting Snoop out there regardless of how where she's at
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: right now being that I feel like as her authentic self,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: besides Queen, her authentic self, for real, for real, Snoop
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: should definitely be on that.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: What about, and last one. Is there a white one, maybe?
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: White people. They're not white studs.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, are there any white mask
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: women in Hollywood that you think are going up?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying. Because I can't think of any.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Like, what's a white mask?
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of who's the most famous. She's problematic,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: but Ellen. Who? Oh, she counts?
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Wait, wait.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: First off, all the.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: She's not like a mask away.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: She's a what? You know what?
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: No.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I'm agreeing with Mindy. I do think she was masked
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: for that. She's masked for what?
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: For TV. She wears Sperry's and Cardigan. I'm just trying
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: to think of them both.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: How much more fucking masks do you get than Sperry's
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: and fucking Cardigan.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Every day of your life?
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Because I brought up white because I'm like, who's the
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: most famous mask-presenting woman we know?
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, Ellen is mask-presenting. And they call, but she's not,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: of course, a stud because stud is only black. Yes, right. So, Ellen...
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't put her on Mount Rushmore. So on the
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Mount Rushmore, do you have anyone who's like lesbian or
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: just queer that you do feel like pushed down the doors,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: especially for you? For me? Or just... I'm going in.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: The early 80s.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: For everyone. Like, is there.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: And real quick, do you allow bisexuals to be on there?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Do we get any representation on a Mount Rushmore of
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: breaking down barriers?
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, but who was really out for like actually
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: representation at that time?
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Ooh.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: You get what I'm saying?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like Lisa Rae was having some threesomes. You
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: feel like Lisa Rae was having some threesomes?
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: If anything, Jada was really moaned.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Jada Pinkett! Bitch, because Jada was seven.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Jada! I was trying to get to the parties, but
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: I was too young, I think.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Which parties? Will and Jada had? Absolutely. Ooh.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Come on, L.A. Look, when Cheyenne was around, that's my dog.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Shout out. Cheyenne who? Bryant. No, baby. Oh.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: I was around when she was young.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: You were around before she was a doctor that's not
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: a doctor?
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I was around before who?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Who she became as a narcissist.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: A liar.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I don't know about that part.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: You ain't got to agree with me. That was just
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: my friend.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: I didn't, it wasn't a relationship.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: It was your friend.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: It was my, I said that was, she, she.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Hey, she look good. We know that for a fact.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: When she was in her 20s, I was around. That's
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Okay. Look, just so you know, I'm shady boots and
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: And that's fine, you know, but.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: You know, she ain't did me wrong ever.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Hold on, just so you know.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: The people on this show, although we are sitting here
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: on the same show, our thoughts, views, and opinions do
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: not intertwine with one another.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: And I respect everybody.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: We all represent only our own. It don't matter. Yes,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: we all represent our own thing.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: All I know is what I was given from her energy.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: I don't care what she gave anybody else. Not saying
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: I don't care. Because I like when people treat other
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: people like good or whatever. But I never, I don't,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: regardless of what they perceive her to be, it wasn't
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: like she was speaking like negative on, in my opinion.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: If she did, I didn't see it. But it was
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: just more of like women empowerment in my perspective.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: You know, I actually... Women empowerment, but she only went
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: on male podcasts. We all have one.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: So I don't recognize that. So being that you're on
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: a podcast, that's different. I don't see that because I'm
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: not thinking of a podcast. You get what I'm saying?
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: So now, if I was on a podcast and I've
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: been like, damn, that's different.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: No, but we all have.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: One problematic person in media that we'll cap for.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Who's yours? Chris Burrell. He's not a media. He's an artist. Period.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Person in the world.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Bitch, Charlamagne. He's an alien.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Bitch, we always get work. He's very problematic.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: He's an alien.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I love Charlamagne. Charlamagne's an alien?
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: No, Chris Brown's an alien. Oh. And I say that
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: because he's fucking great at everything.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Great at everything. Who's my problematic fave? Your problematic fave?
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: It might be Kodak.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: I'm going to definitely get canceled if I say mine.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, we know it's R. Kelly, baby. Wait, who is yours?
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: We know it's R. Kelly. First up. You say 80s, baby.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Talk about it. You're going to get canceled, bitch. It's R. Kelly.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: You know me so well.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: The hell? You said a media person, not a celebrity. No, no, no.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: In media, just in the media, if someone canceled it, we.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: All canceled it. I'm in that era, so it's like
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: I was around when it was okay.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Man, my best friend just said if he get out,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: she going to the concert. What?
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Same? And I still play the music. No, I'm not. Yes,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: I am.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're going to step into the name of love.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Into our, we're going to step into, I do want
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to talk about this.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Yes, we can go wherever.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: So, you, during Essence Weekend at the Queer Space Party.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Oh my God, yes, I hosted, shout out. You had a,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: you hosted, you came up on stage, and you actually
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: said a speech that had quite a bit of people
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: rumbling afterwards.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Not the rumbles.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: There were the rumbles. And as you were speaking, I'll
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: show you the video. You got a video of me?
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: I have a video of you saying the speech. Why
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: are you saying it to me? Oh, you're not a friend.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Because the people behind.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Was talking shit. Say that.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: No, the faces.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: It was very clear that they were in disagreement with you.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: So I do want to ask you. Well, I think
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: I was checking somebody of respect. Oh, no, no, no, no.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I'll show you. So was.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Well, once I get there, you'll know maybe why. And
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: I would love to hear your rebuttal for it.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: So.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: At this Queer Space event, your hot take during your speech,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and I quoted it as I listened to the video
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: that I caught.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: So this is your verbiage verbatim.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Say less.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Masculine presenting women are the lowest of the barrel within
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the community amongst opportunity and succeeding. I believe these are
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: members of the community. I said, I believe that there
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: are members of the community who would disagree.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: And this is why there was that conversation because unfortunately,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: while I love you dearly, even as you said that
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: I highly disagreed only because the conversations around mass presenting
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: women are not even nearly as close to the trans women.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: That are being killed.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: And so there were, you were also standing next to
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: trans women while you stated this.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: And so knowing the fight that they have currently with
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: their lives and how they're being targeted. And even right
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: now with the WNBA bullshit, um, I would love to
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: know if you agree with that, if you misspoke, or
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: if you genuinely believe that mask-presenting women are at the
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: bottom of the totem pole within the community. I genuinely
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: actually believe that. Okay, tell me why. And I say
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: that because trans women, especially gay boys and trans women,
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: being in the media and highlighted since the beginning of time.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: We just now started as.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Being recognized, but trans women are the ones... That, like,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: not even trans men, right?
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Trans women.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: And to me, a lot of my stud friends have
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: become trans men. I don't feel like they are at
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: risk like trans women are. Like, I feel like you
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: straight walking down the street. My trans homegirls, they Ubering
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: when we go out. They're not fucking walking block to block.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: They're terrified.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: And I, so, so are, are, are, uh, women are
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: terrified walking down the block.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: We are. They are.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: So, even just me.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: That's fair.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Being how I look, right, out of the trans women,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: they already, not saying like they won't be skeptical, like, oh,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: but they're already feminine and they like won't blink an eye, maybe.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: But as far as me, always immediately, that's a girl
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: who wants to be a man.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Do you feel targeted by that?
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. Well, not anymore.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Back in the day, absolutely. I done got almost in
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: a fight where just I'm walking with my woman to
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: the beach and I'm holding hands like.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, You think you are, whatever.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: What? Oh.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Automatically. So they try to test your.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Yes. And it's just like, I'm not trying to, I'm
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: just walking with my girl. I'm not even, I don't
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: even look at you. Like, you know what I'm saying?
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: So with trans women, they, some men or people might recognize.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Some men mostly won't because it's like.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Depending on how.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Depending. But it's also some trans men are like very flaunty.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: And like extra. I think probably around the laws, right?
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: We know trans women aren't as protected or more scrutinized. Now,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: what you were talking about, if you were talking about
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: recognized for opportunities.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Opportunities. Maybe actually.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I could agree. Exactly what I was talking about. And
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: you did say success and opportunity. Exactly. That was the...
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Success and opportunity. When I added that in the thing,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you did say success and opportunity.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I can see opportunities.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: They will absolutely pick them over us.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: And is it because... I can see.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Do you think there is just less storytelling around because.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: you.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Know, maybe they don't view your life as having a
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: story to tell. Like, in terms of even being on
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: now All the Queen's Men and us seeing, even in, again,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Tyler Perry films, if we go to, like, Beauty in Black,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: and he's representing it in a way that I think
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: is new, but I think also we're in a place
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: where in television and film that we're able to see
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: more of the community than we ever had before. Even, like,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: people are saying that children are being.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Like, told to be gay now because.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: They're allowing gay but yeah first off i'm born in
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the 80s again speciality was fine but gayness wasn't make
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: it make sense.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Make it make sense beauty uh beauty beauty and the
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: beast um stockholm syndrome oh oh.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Because he was an abuser that's right and one.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: And he kidnapped her. And now I'm a fall in love.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Pocahontas left her whole community for that white man.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: Snow White, Seven Dwarves. Why is she sleeping with seven
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: men in a bed?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, sorry. Dwarves.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Dwarves. I just said men, so. But even that. Yeah.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Sleeping Beauty. There was no consent. Ooh.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I just watched Richie Rich or one of the... One
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: of the... Some kids movie where the lady kissed the
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: little boy?
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: It wasn't Richie Rich. It was Blank Check.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Thank you. And I remember the scene as a kid. Yes.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: And it was okay for her to do it. But
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: guess what? If it was vice versa, oh, but it's
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: okay for a woman? Why?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Not until I became an adult did I understand how
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: much women couldn't be trusted around kids.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Not as I came out an adult where I seen
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: this nothing but pedophilia of us watching teenagers fuck all
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: the time and we think it's okay because of Oh,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Lose Your Virginity at.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Or Love.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Lose Your Virginity. No, at the main, at prom. Lose
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Your Virginity at prom. You are 17, 16 years old
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: at prom. Why are we watching that Lose Virginity? And
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: it's also being sexualized.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: But again, Topanga and Boy Meets World, kissing, like, we
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: were programmed.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: But again, guess what? I grew up in that era.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: I've seen all of that. And guess how I turned out?
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: With no representation, even though Quincy, you know, none. The brat,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: I was like, ooh.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. The brat. The brat got to be
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: the number four.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: The brat is on the restaurant line.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Damn, that was one that I feel like.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: We all know. Although, isn't the brat bisexual? Because she
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: was dating men. Yes, but I feel like. Okay, but wait,
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: hold on.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Mask presenting women, are we just talking about lesbians now
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: or actually women?
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: That's right, because we can't fit into main categories just now.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Because I'm not going to hold you. That's one.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck if the brat end up
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: with a man forever.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I heard that.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: But I know the brat was more the representation more
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: than Queen Latifah or what's the other one? She's still
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: not gay and I thought she was. MC Lyte. I
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: thought she was gay all this whole time.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: She's not? You know who else? I thought Chili was gay.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: You know who I just found out was straight and
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: this is not a podcast for them but apparently Caitlin.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Clark got a boyfriend.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's not real.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I just thought she was.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, they do... That's another... No, the only
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: gay confusing not gay is Natasha Lyonne.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: How the fuck is that white lady straight? My whole life,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I thought she was the... I just.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know who that is.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you?
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: What?
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know who that is either, by the way.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: American... Fucking Russia... Okay, let me.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Well, yes, absolutely.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't put Brittany Griner on your Mount Rushmore?
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: No.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: That was my first, where I was like... Wait, we
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: don't know this, but I'm a cheerleader? The lesbian movie
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: when she was in even? See, I don't think I
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: knew her sexuality. Bruh, she played a lesbian that had
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: to go to conversion camp. You're actually a real lesbian.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: No!
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: And she literally was doing an interview like, I know everybody.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Thinks I'm a lesbian.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: No, that's not representation.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: We're talking about representation.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: No, I sang in straights that I didn't like.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: No, the only representation growing up where I was just like, oh,
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: I kind of feel like I identify was the brat,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: even besides Queen Latifah.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Wait a second, are you wearing... Bikini tops? No, not
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: your tits now.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I'm asking. Because Da Brat had some jugs. And I
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: remember this. She was on the beach.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: I don't remember what goddamn music video it was. But
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: she had these red.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: What you like? A whole lot of. And she go
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: like this.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: I ain't gonna lie.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, who is that? Did Bright look fine
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: in that video?
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: She did.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: But I was like, wait, wait, wait. What about me?
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: What happened to my representation? But I can't. You were
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: mad at that video?
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: I wasn't mad to skin her money. Hold up. I
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: felt like.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about fluidity?
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: We really do need to put it in a box
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: to feel connected.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: But I felt like it was more of the men
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: were making her that way. I don't know that. But
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: being at who she was when starting off.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Being a maker of sex theory. What?
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: And how she was, even though she still had the makeup,
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: but it was just like nothing but mask. And I
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, I think this is, I think this
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: is me.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Because you're young.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: But you were also, that was the only representation.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: The only.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: As far as like, because.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Again, my mom, shout out to my mom now because
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: back in the day, she didn't suck with it.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: But she was like, I think you were born gay.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: I don't feel like nobody's born gay.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: You don't? Oh, let's get into it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: I don't. But, different perspective. We are all different, have
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: different brains.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: How do you think you were influenced then? I wasn't.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Then you were born gay. You were born gay then, no?
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: But I also had sex with boys well boys they
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: weren't men.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: But did you like it or did you feel pressured
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the same way we just talked about right the Disney
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: movies and films that's a good question did you not
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: feel pressured to be with men I liked it until
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: it was in.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: My mom told me she knew I was gay when
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: I was she was like oh four or five basically
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: her theory is the way that I reacted jealous and
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: to women friends and like the emotional like Feelings I
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: would get like, no, why is she leaving?
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Or the way I'd want to be around them. She's like, oh,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: that's when I knew.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: See, no, mama, I was a tomboy. I didn't want
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: to wear a dress at seven years old. It's a
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: picture of me throwing a tantrum of my dad forcing
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: me to dress. And I'm seven and ain't no representation
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: of anything, but it's just like I was uncomfortable. So,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: but I was also very sexualized as a child. My grandpa...
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: rest in peace, was a pastor. So I grew up
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: in a church.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know where that was going, girl. I'm
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: not going to lie.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: So you know what the fuck was going on.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't know where you were going.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: You said that. You said Harvard.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: So you know, I was in a church, but there
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: was no church. So I was with deacons and pastor's
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: sons and where that it was, the church was not
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: as what I expected.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: What I tell you about that therapy.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: You know, oh no, I have therapy, psychiatrist, and life coaching.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: All the things.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Now, you brought up men earlier.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: We have a clip Wait, wait, wait. We still ain't. See,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: we already. No, we are.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: We get in there.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: We get in there because I want to ask, especially
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: you bringing up men not enjoying it. Right now, there's
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: like this narrative and I want to get into some
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: fun about the girls who apparently be done with the
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: boys after the boys don't act right.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: So I want to play this clip and I would
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: love to know your thoughts on it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: So what's your take?
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: Straight men should go back to being men. so so
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: many women can stop being gay.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: Wait, what?
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: I think straight men should go back to being men,
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: so therefore so many women can stop becoming gay due
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: to the lack of men being men.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: 100% agree.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: I don't understand.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's break it down.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: We're in a world now where straight men are doing
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: a lot of feminine things. As the women say, they're
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: being sassy.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: They're being sassy boys. Yes.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: Which is making women decide they don't want to date
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: them anymore. So they're becoming gay, but they're not really gay.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: They're just doing it.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Holy shit.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: Because dating men also feel like you're dating a lesbian.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Holy shit. She's speaking all sorts of shit. Holy shit.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: I get it. I get it. You get it now?
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Let me ask a qualifying question. Are you gay?
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: I am gay.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: And so you are upset that you have fallen in
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: love with a lesbian.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: I haven't fallen in love with them. I'm upset that
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: they're polluting the gay community.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: But the lesbians that you're sometimes dating, you're like, you
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: are not even gay. You are literally just a scorned woman. Yes.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Because all the dick out there is bending.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: The dick. It's going straight down and into the butt.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: They're getting their asses beat. They're not building houses anymore.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Like, they have to go back to being men so.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Women can go back to dating.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: I'm shocked.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, and do you feel like this is an epidemic
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: in your community where the girls are leaving the men
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: only because they've been so heartbroken that they're like, I
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: gotta try out a woman because death's gonna save me?
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: See, and then I also watched that also where she
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: was also talking about women who has also had kids,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: plethora of kids, and now they're gay. The thing is,
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: so I agree with her in some point as far
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: as I do agree that it's a trend.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: It's a trend. Okay.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: I do feel like... To be what?
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: A little feminine?
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: To be with us as studs. I feel like the
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: studs are trends.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think the studs are starter kit. I think
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: the studs have actually always been an experiment.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Wait, a starter kit?
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about this day and age.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think that that's always been a thing for women. Like,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I want to.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: But it's more because of social media... You didn't?
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: What?
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: That's your algorithm because you studying in your algorithm. I'm
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: telling you as a girl.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: What have I been through?
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Any, okay. I've been bisexual my whole life. And when
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: you were mentioned.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: And how young are you?
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: 35. When you mentioned the brat wearing a bikini top.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: When I had a girlfriend while podcasting, it was a
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: few years and I felt more connected to the queer
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: community and lesbian community that I feel.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I don't have anymore.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: But that's you.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: But it's not a real thought, right? It's not real.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying it's a.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: It's not a real thought for you.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: But your girlfriend wasn't a stud. No, she wasn't.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: But I was loving a woman. I was talking about
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: having children. But that means she's actually like women is
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: the point is what I'm trying to make. You actually
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: like women.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: And you're saying the women now, they don't know. But
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: when that was going on with me... It's not scorned.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: And I don't want to give men that power ever.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Ooh. Okay.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Ain't no man going to have a power like, oh...
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: I don't, men are so bad, I'm going to go
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: to women because first of all, we, we, we, nobody
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: perfect are as a masculine as stud or masculine presenting women.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you for me. It's the same.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: The bitches is fucking just about, want to know how
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: much lesbians are whores? It doesn't matter. Watch the ultimatum,
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: the queer version. They fucking more on that one than
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: they are on the straight one.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, human is human, but the patriarchy, like that
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: essentially is where people think that becomes dismantled when you're
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: with another woman.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: And the thing is, if you're going to be with
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: a woman, it's like you're already curious. It's not like
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: because a man made you go there. No. It's like
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: if you're going to make that an excuse, no. You're
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: trying to appease that that perspective of, well, because he's
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: not treating me well, I'm going to, no, bitch, you
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: actually like women for real. You just using that as
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: an excuse. Ain't no man got that much power.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Let me ask y'all this.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: If you actually like a woman for real, you're going
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: to do it, especially in this day and age. I
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: do think we're a trend as far as studs because
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: a lot of celebrities are like, you know, oh, figuring
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: it out. Or we give, especially women, the grown ones,
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: the older school ones and born in the early 80s,
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: We were born in the, we're our hearts on our sleeves.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: And my favorite movie, we're going to go with Pretty Woman.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: So we like the romance.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: So as older, like masculine presenting or studs, we are
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: very romantic. Men are not that no more. So it's
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: just like they'll experience a woman. It's like, damn, I
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: don't get that from a man. But it's not because
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: a man don't do that. But it's also, again, women
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: have different perspectives. We actually make you feel heard. Not all. Yeah.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Some men make you feel heard. I have top tier
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: one men in my life that are my best friends.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: And that's why they're my best friends, because I see
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: how they treat that woman. That's why I like you.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: That's why I love you. Oh, you're my brother. I
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: love the way you treat your woman, nigga. You, what?
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: But then they'll get me out. Like, oh, how can
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: I be romantic? And they respect me, like, because they
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: know I'm a romantic ass nigga. Oh, I'm a, definitely.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: I'm a court. I'm a court of women all day.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I want to ask you something about the first comment
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: with like, because I said it's the first time.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: I love our ADHD.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you and your friend, who I
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: would assume.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: That's my best.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: One of my close friends.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Now, do both of y'all as studs, masters, anyone, whatever
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: you feel comfortable being called. Do y'all have experiences with
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: being in your lifetime frequently a woman's first time?
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Do you like that?
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: It's not that I like it. It just happens.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: When do you find out? Before or after? And is
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: it a turn on or turn off?
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Is it the thing of before if they're like trying
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: to get you?
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Like, but I never.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, in my younger days, we definitely fetishized. Absolutely.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: That's what I meant by I felt like it was
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: bullshit because most of the times that I've seen it happen,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: it's like, I want to try it.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: It's the easy way in, whatever. And then sometimes it
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: works out.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Sometimes I feel like it's left with that woman who's
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: actually lesbian being hurt.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: But if you know that someone is coming in and
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I say this from.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: A standpoint of being a woman of a certain size
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: where men have said they've not.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I was 100 pounds bigger than.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: So I've had men literally say they hadn't dealt with
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: anyone at my size and wanted to experience it.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Right. And I was not turned on by that.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: So as a woman, when someone comes to you and
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: is like, so I've never done this before. And there's
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: a level of fetishism or excitement around doing something for
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: the first time. How do you not get turned off
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: by even someone leading with that?
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: I feel like a whore.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: So being that I was, again, an exotic entertainer.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: So again, so as Trouble, all the Queen's men, I'm
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: the only female, right? So in Compton, in LA, it
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: was one, me, and another stud, but she didn't turn
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: out to be as popular.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I'm going to stand out. So
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: I got a lot of women that were there for
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: the men. They were straight. Not looking for women. To
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: the point where they didn't even know I was a
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: woman at the time. And I'm just like, hey, you know,
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: I had to learn how to court. Like, hey, would
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: you like me to buy you a drink?
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, I'm good.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm here for my, I'm here.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Did you stuff your G-string? Like, how did you?
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Okay, so it's another story.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: You were dancing, though, at a male strip club?
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Male exotic, yes.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Wait, so can you wear boxers with a strap?
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: I eventually got to that.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: That, wow.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: That's another story. Because one of my, so where I was,
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: I'm from, I'm from Compton. The strip club that I
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: was brought up in, they were all gangbangers.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: The dancers were gangbangers?
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: Bloods and Crips.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: This is exactly why.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: No. All them, the gay, what they be calling homo thugs,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: when they be doing exotic dance, I be like, bro,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: these niggas kill you. Bloods and Crips, but they were
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: not like, no. Was the game.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: At this strip club? They said the game was a
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: part of the answer, too, at one point.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Well, see, so y'all heard of Ever the Right Track?
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: No, what's that?
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: In L.A.? So, but I went to, I was at
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: the Boom Boom Room because I was younger. Right Track
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: is the older generation at that time.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, I thought it was a program when you get
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: out of jail.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: No!
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: Everybody in L.A., they know exactly what I'm talking about.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Because she was talking about gay men.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: You ever heard about the Right Track?
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: What, did they send them like a halfway out?
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: Nah, no, dead ass. Growing up, like, I was actually asked,
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: I don't even know, I didn't even know how to
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: dance at that time. I was doing a lot of,
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: I was doing drugs and alcohol. And I was like, oh,
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: I can dance. I feel the thrust. You know, and
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: then I got a lot of attention. And then a
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: stud at the time was like, hey, I'm at this club. Like,
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: you know, would you? I was like, okay, nervous as hell.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: It was me and her, the only studs. And sometimes
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: it was just me, but I got so popular to
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: the point where I'm getting booked around the country, Paris, London,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: New York, Canada, where I'm the only woman. And then
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: there's big-ass men. But it's like I give a different
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: dynamic from them. And I'm also the only one, and
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: I'm so proud to say, the only one that never
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: showed her yiddies ever. I never took my sports bra off.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: What?
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Never. Never.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: How much money how much money would.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: You need and the thing is and the crazy thing
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: is it was just like for the sports bra to
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: come on it didn't matter it's my integrity like but
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: the thing is I knew I was the only one
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: and I'm also being the only one being booked in
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: London Paris Canada South Africa I was in Cape Town
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: you got booked for South Africa Cape Town wait with
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: the sports bra yes and not even taking my underwear
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: off either you've never danced nude ever ever not even
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: not once you cannot no that's for my whoever i'm
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: with wow not even not even for the person i'm
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: just fucking you not no that's a privilege i take
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: my i take pride in my everything hold on wait
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: not the when you said not for the person i'm
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: fucking no you know are you fucking them and you
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: you saying it wasn't my relationship uh yeah i fuck
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: with my sports bra if you were not my girl.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Wait a second. Casual sex ain't even seeing the titties?
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to hold you. I have fucked a
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: stud today.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: But it's just like, I get now, it's like I'm
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: a higher standard. Like, she didn't do this.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: When did you fuck a stud? You want to share
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: that story on here? Oh, no.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: Now things is coming out. No, look. Carter comes in.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, shoot.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: And I'll hear a story 10 years later, bitch.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: One in Orlando.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, more than one?
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: More than one?
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: It was a stud?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: And you ain't told me? I heard this shit. Cut, cut, cut.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: You for real? I'm not even trying to be funny.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I'm so confused.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: We never talked about... Maybe I didn't call them studs? Damn,
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: I'm just bringing them out.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe I said I let this girl fuck me.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: That's the same thing.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe I never said the word.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: And I ain't a stud. Like they were studs or
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: did they just fuck you?
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying maybe I never said the word stud,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: but I've definitely described these women.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I never heard you say that you.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: It could be a masculine presenting woman.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Is she black? They're all black. Okay, then they said, okay.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Like that, yes.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: But the one in Orlando didn't take her bra off
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: and she was a no touch. Oh, so I was
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: until I started. Never mind. That's another.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Come on, no touch. Shaving wet?
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: No. No, I was like, even with like, because, you know,
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: I lost my virginity at a very young age. I
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: was very sexualized in my life, especially in high school.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: And Dylan, you know, what? First off, we had Lil'
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Kim hardcore album in high school.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Don't be blaming hip hop.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Don't blame hip hop. Come on.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: But the deacon would be picking me up. He 30
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: and I'm 15 type shit. I didn't have sex with him,
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: but it's still crazy. Right. So that's what I'm saying.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: Growing up in the church, what I'm like is the
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: hypocrisy of it all. You know, I'm not Christian anymore
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: because of my grandfather. He was a pastor. Like I
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: witnessed a lot of unchristian like.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: How did you navigate the church life?
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: While also navigating your sexuality where you knew it wasn't acceptable? Well,
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: I didn't start knowing until, because I was confused and
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: still like, you know, like boys. I'm just used to that,
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: especially in the 80s. But I was like, why does she,
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: why I feel like she fine? But it's like, I
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: never had, you know, I'm like, what the fuck? So
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: I got to suppress it because, of course, ain't nobody
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: in my family, not one person was gay. It was
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: no representation. I'm born in 82, so shout out, I'm 44.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, I say that too. But it's just like
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: with no representation in L.A., especially counting eating the hood. Right.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Like in the 90s.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: But you know what it seems like to, seemed like
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: to me when I was growing up? And so, okay,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: I was born in 91. I always thought that the
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: studs was cool because they was down with, like, man.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: But the thing is, guess what? You didn't, you seen
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: studs in school. In my, I was the only one
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: that was out as a senior.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: Out.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: Like, to the point where I'm kissing my girl and then, like,
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: teachers and shit and my coach has to be like,
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: because I play basketball, of course, all lesbians play basketball.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: I was great, MVP and all, varsity, freshman type shit.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: But to be had to sit down and talk to me. Meanwhile,
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: I can see all my homegirls kissing their boyfriends and
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: nobody talking to them. But I'm causing an uproar because
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: I'm kissing a girl. And then that's where I'm like
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: getting spray paint.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: And this is high school in the 90s. Is this
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: only because.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: So I didn't see, it wasn't like a lot of
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: representation of others.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: But is it because you're mass presenting?
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: And I say that to say, if we're even leaning
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: back into hip hop, Men love seeing girls kiss. I
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: remember when me and Weezy used to go out with
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: fake IDs at 16.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: We'd be like, we're girlfriends, get away. And they'd be like,
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: let me see you kiss to even prove that we
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: were gay, right? So there was always this thing where
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: they liked it.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I got so much to say about that. You would think.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: I got so much to say about that.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: They liked it.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: And that's what I'm saying. That's exactly what I meant
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: when I said as mass presenting studs, we are the
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: bottom of the barrel. Two women can kiss all day.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: It's just like... Boosie, two red bones kissing, but he
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: don't like gay.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: You know what though, Mindy?
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: She's right because, I'm going to be honest with you,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: my ex-girlfriend and I never had issues. And that one
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: time we did when we was in Paris together- A
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: dude came over and said, can.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: I pay for you guys' meal? My wife is feeling bored.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: What?
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Weird shit. But for the most part, because she was like.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Feminine.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: You know, skirt, heels, whatever. Everybody was excited by it.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: But again, back in.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: The days, in the 90s... But maybe if I was
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: walking around with Carter, would they be like, oh, this
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: is ridiculous. Absolutely not.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Why are they doing all that?
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: That's why I said, bottom of the barrel. Because guess what?
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: You do see trans women in the entertainment industry. And
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: they also have jobs and careers in the entertainment industry.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: As far as makeup. wardrobe they had all of that
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: guess what we didn't they don't even know about us
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: until recently I mean yes but actually like as far
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: as entertainment until not I'm not going to even say
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: Queen Latifah because she was still playing a role and
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: she's still herself but maybe like a snoop maybe like.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: You're just feeling like there's not really a place in
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: television or characters written in.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: Now it is now I'm the first masculine presenting stud
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: on Tyler Perry Studios at first you know what I'm
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: saying But also accept it. I get more men than
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: women now. It's crazy.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: They be wanting you. What? What do they... Are you
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: feeling fetishized? Do you think that's crazy? Yeah, do you?
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Because remember that thing... And do they want the pussy
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: or do they want the strap?
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: That I don't know.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: That part you don't know.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: But it's also to the point where I will set
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: a boundary. Are you doing too much? Because I don't
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: mind a man coming up to me because I'm still
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: a woman at the end of the day. I'm not
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: the type of... Because their sons does. They be like, oh,
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: you tripping. You gay. I don't think a man is
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: gay because they are attracted to a stud because at
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: the end of the day, we're women.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Just like when lesbians say.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: When a man say, oh, they want to be a man,
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: then their backup is, at the end of the day,
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: she's a woman.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: For trans women, yes.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: How contradictory.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: I actually think I know what it is only from that.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: How contradictory?
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: That foursome we had in Mexico. Me and my man
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: fucked this lesbian couple.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Was it stud too? No, she ain't fucked.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: She started crying when him and his wife was fucking.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: But... Then why are you accepting everything? Because I.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: And she the one who brought it up. Like, oh,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: if y'all want to come back with us. Then she
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: start crying. Then I leave. Oh, there's a whole story. Carter,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: he was fucking the bitch. And not... Anyway. And literally,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: she had to go consult.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: She must be young.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: But the main thing when we left, I was like.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: He was like, yo, I actually really wanted the other one.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: And I was like, really?
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: And he's like, just because.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: it felt in my brain like so untouched and she
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: would get to have this experience with me. Like, that
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: to me is sexier than fucking this bitch who.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: I knew was like, yeah, I miss dick. He's like, no,
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: I want the one that ain't never had no dick.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: And that's what men, they do fetishize off of that. Like,
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: she's being untouched or she don't want it. But at
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: the same time, it's like the same fight. The same fight.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: Men say, well, at the end of the day, she's
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: a woman. But then when a man say, oh, you
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: want to be a man, why you would have stood? Well,
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, she's a woman when
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: she take her clothes off. Make it make sense. It's
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: the same fucking verbiage at the end of the day.
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: At the end of the day, she's a woman regardless
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: of what she looks like. But also, if, like, I do, like,
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: I am, I'm a stud. I'm masculine presenting. And I
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: have feminine ways that my friends tell me. Like, oh,
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: you still soft in ways. But I also give them
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: that side of me. Like, where, I cry a lot.
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: Most of them.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: What's your sign?
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: I'm a Gemini.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, Gemini.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: But I'm a, I'm a, I'm a Gemini.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: We go with the stars and moons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wait, wait,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: you said Taurus moon.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, yep, I'm a Gemini sun,
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: Taurus moon, and then Gemini rising, so I'm a double Gemini.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Being a stud and having femme ways, but mainly stud.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: See, I don't know that.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: I don't, that's the thing.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Why have you never, I'm just me. You're just, in
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: the era of now.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: If you was to tell me to put on high
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: heels and shit or or walk feminine i don't know
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: how to do that but how.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Come you've always stayed in the stud because i really
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: feel like you know the liberal agenda quote-unquote is trans
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: men are happening right have you in your life ever
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: thought about that.
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: No and why or why not the only time i
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: cannot stand being a woman is when i'm on my
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: fucking cycle and literally shout out to eva she was
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: like bitch why you just don't get an iud But
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: that doesn't necessarily stop it all the time. I mean, no, no,
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: she explained everything.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: But I have problems when I'm, like, I can't, the
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: first two to three days, I'm out of, like, this nigga, no, nigga,
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: I'm on my, don't call me, I don't even want
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: to talk. And, you know, that's the only time I
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: don't like being a woman. You know what I'm saying?
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: But other than that, like, I love being a woman. Like,
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: regardless of my masculinity, and I'll shout out to Tyler
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: Perry because he's seen, like, There's one time I was
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: just like, I know my masculinity, but I know I
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: have my femininity.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: He's like, talk that shit.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: Shout out to you, my guy.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: That's my boss.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: You know, but it's like when I show my femininity,
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know that because I'm just being myself. So
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: it's like, damn, you feminine. Oh, really? Because I don't
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: walk feminine.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: I also think they're looking for it in you.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: They waited for you to do something. And then your
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: face is like, oh, you're beautifully handsome. And I'll take that, please,
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: because I don't want to be ugly, period. I want
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: to be beautiful in both categories. You know what I'm saying?
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: The more the merrier.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: That's interesting because I have always noticed with women I've
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: gotten close to that are studs or mass presenting, they
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: want to reject their woman's side a lot.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: And I do not. So that's when I'm like, because
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: it's like, again, I'm older and I have my own mind.
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: And again, just like all men ain't the same men.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: All women ain't the same women. All studs ain't the
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: same studs. All feminine, all bisexual ain't the same. They
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: have the same things. It's just like a lot of
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: studs be like, oh, you gay.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Because you complimented me. Like, don't, I'm not beautiful. That's crazy.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: Nigga, nah, nigga, I'm beautiful, the fuck. I'm handsome, too.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: I'm beautiful. I'm sexy. Like, but it's just like, I
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: get compliments from both sides, and I'm cool with that.
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: As long as you don't cross my boundaries now. Like,
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: a nigga will come up to me like, damn. Or
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: I'll compliment a man, and he don't even know me. Damn, nigga,
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: you dress like you fly. Oh, you fine, nigga? I
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: don't want to have sex with him. I'm not sexually attracted,
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: but I can admire someone's, like, beauty. Don't matter if
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: it's a trans man, trans woman. Because I've seen the
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: trans woman.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: Or trans man. Damn, nigga. Like, I have a trans
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: man friend now. That's my... Nigga lathe.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Nigga.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: That nigga fine as fuck. Like, you know.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: I gotta look this nigga up.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: Nigga.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: So, you only date women, though, right now?
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: Yes, no.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: And have you ever dated another masculine presenting?
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: No. Oh. I'm not attracted.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of that. Is it two tops?
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: The crazy thing is, I was just like, stud on stud. Ew,
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: that's extra gay. But.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: As... As I have grown, again, I'm 44. Like, you
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying? Like, energy is energy. You know
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying? And I've seen a stud-on-stud relationship. I'm like, oh, shit,
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: y'all cute.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: But stem-on-stem, well, I mean, obviously. No, stem-on-stem. You and y'all.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: No.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Y'all are stem-on-stem.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: No, but I've seen two studs where I was, like, again,
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: I was ignorant to that. Like, ugh. Like, that's, you
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: know what?
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, that's like, A man saying like, ugh,
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: why you want a woman to look like a nigga?
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: But she would be with a.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Stem? Depends.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: She got to have more femininity than masculinity.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Which one?
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: The thing is more of like, I like a woman,
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: the way a woman walk. I like her presence as
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: a woman and like the femininity of it all. The
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: way she talk, the way her confidence is. That shit's sexy. Now,
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: if you walk like a nigga, and you pretty, it's still,
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: I don't have that. I'm just like, You know that's
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: what confused my friends about the mask? It don't matter
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: how fine you are.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: I can't believe you. It's the femininity that slaps me.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Not dated, sorry.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: I don't want to sound like a whore, so I
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: don't want to say the bitch was a whore.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. What was that one Brazilian, the bottle
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: bitch I was fucking with? Didn't you have something like
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: a whore decision? Horrible decision. Oh, I'm sorry. Bro, if
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: she's over here, I don't want to sound like a whore, but... No,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: but basically... It was spelled as a whore.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: My friends would be confused because they're just like, Okay,
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: but if you're bi, what's the point of a stud
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: or a girl that looks.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: Still a girl at the end, a woman at the
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: end of the day. That's to me when you really gay.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. So studs be like, or when
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: a man is like, well, that's a woman at the
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: end of the day. Oh, you gay. But a woman
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: can say that?
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: That was actually the thing that made me not interested
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: in no touch.
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: So no touch, that's whack. Definitely. That's how fun is that?
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: We were young, too.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: So maybe I'm wondering if she was growing into herself
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: a little bit. But for me, I was kind of like, damn, well,
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: I'm so interested in women because of pussy and body.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: No matter like how it looks.
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: That means you're absolutely.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: But not being able to touch was mentally not it
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: All I know is I was really interested in studs
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: for this much of a time because I was going
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: out to Coco Cabana in New York City.
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: What?
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: I'm serious.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: And I went.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Shout out to my girl Mia at the time. The
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: gay night.
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: We would be out at the gay clubs and the
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: studs would approach me and then I literally identified as bisexual.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: And they hated me. They did not like that I
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: wanted dick with a pulse.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: I cannot stand that.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I would have got suds.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: I cannot stand that.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: So is that a myth?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: No, it's a real thing in our community.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Suds do not appreciate me.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: I cannot stand that. Because again, I've been cheated on
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: by a lesbian. I've been cheated on by a bisexual.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: I've been cheated on by a straight woman that I had.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? It don't matter if you're
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: going to get cheated on regardless.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: She was straight? Well, if.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: I know what you mean.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Okay. Presenting to the people. Presenting.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: But it's just like I got cheated on as young
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: that even though, like even young, like, well, shit, I
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: love you, but now I'm confused. Am I gay? So
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: I'm going to have sex with this man. You know
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying? But I don't feel like it's okay. Bisexual, again,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: so LGBT. They don't like to be. But it's just like, oh,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: they just greedy. No. No. The thing is, a bisexual
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: can commit and be okay. But again, I have friends
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: that have children or I've dated women that have children,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: but also couldn't be themselves back in the day and
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: were confused because of our society back then to, like,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: people pleasers. And they had kids, even though, like, they're
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: a blessing. But at the same time, now I'm an adult.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: Now I can be who I want. Now I'm confident
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: because especially that is more normalized. Now I'm confident in
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: being who I am. Now I'm gay. I know someone,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: shout out to her, and I'm not going to say
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: her name because I had to comment on her shit and, like,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: have her back. They do. Bisexual, I feel now, are, okay,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: studs aren't bottom barrel.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Bisexuals are. Thank you. Thank you. I don't feel seen. No, no, no.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: I don't feel loved out here. Bisexuals are very glamorized.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: They are, but men. They're so.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: By men.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: By men.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: Not by the community.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: The whole gay community hates bisexuals.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: And I don't think that's fair.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: No, the gay community hates them, and I was going
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: to say straight girls when I was growing up.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, you want to get into bed with
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: me or you want to have a sleep with me?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: Everybody acts like they want to fuck. We always want
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: to eat that coochie and something.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you're greedy. Oh, you get.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: The thing is, you're not confident enough because... She can
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: get both. Regardless if it's a lesbian, you don't think
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: that the lesbian would cheat on you with a man
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: regardless if she says she's a fucking lesbian or not?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: That has happened. One question. I know you may have
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: a final one too, but this one I'm very curious about.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: Say what?
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Because I feel like you could be honest enough.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: I'm always honest.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: You've been in the game.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: For a long time. For the 90s.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Has there been a time where a woman in your
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: life has made you feel like you weren't mask or
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: man enough?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: Yes. Oh my God.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: And how?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, well, it was me growing up, too.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Growing up.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: I was, like, as far as, like, coming into myself
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: as a stud. I was always a tomboy, but I wasn't, like,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: stud enough for her. And she was so, she was
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: a stripper. I ain't going to say her name.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: Bitch.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: But I will say where she worked at in L.A.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: Not the right track.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: Not the right track. No, that's a male, you know. Oh, oh. But, no,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: it was called Stars on Rosecrans.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: You know. Rosecrans.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Rosecrans.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Yeah, Rosecrans. And she was so fire to me.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: And I took her on a date. We went to
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: the movies, and I was like, you know, ooh, you know.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: And she was like, you know, you cool and all,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: but I like women that's like this. And I wasn't, like,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: hard enough.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: And it made me like, okay. But I was also, like,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: also young and also... like still fighting my mama and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: my daddy. Like it's being like, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, like I'm still, I'm young.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Now, what about as an adult? Like in your thirties?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: I'm perfect. Oh, I'm perfect. Not like that. So the
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: thing is what women do appreciate about me is just like,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not, again, I don't know my feminine side, but
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: it's just like, I'm just being me. And you're like, oh,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: you know, you like a soft stud.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Like when you see a bug.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: I'm not a soft stud. First off, I'm not a
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: soft stud.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: All right, all these words. Wait, so you're killing bugs.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: That's what she just said.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: You changed your thong? Oh, okay, that ain't a thong.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: Now, a yellow jacket?
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: You cooking? You crying? Like, are you doing, like, what
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: are you?
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: So, no, no, no, I'll take out the trash.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: You cooking?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: I'll pay the rent. I'll pay the bills.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: You cooking? What are you talking about?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: Stop. I'm engaged, but I want to go back. So
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: people thought I was a soft stud because I did
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: show my femininity. It's like sometimes they want a stud
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: to just be like masculine.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: But you keep saying that. What is it? What things do.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: You think are feminine? I don't think that's a thing anymore.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: Now it's like a sassy because I'm not sassy as fuck.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: You know, they be like, oh, I can't even do
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: it right. Like, you know.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: But you really didn't do it right.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: Or like, or like when they walk, like, or twerk,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: I don't, if I twerk, it's like a masculine twerk. Like, Nigga, no.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: So you never had a feminine twerk? And you was at.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: The wrong side?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to do it. Bitch! What you
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: talking about?
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: I don't know how to be feminine.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Your ass don't jiggle?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: Wait, jiggle automatically. That's a fucked up thing. So my body,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: my body, that's one thing. You got a jiggly booty?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: That's why niggas like stuff.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: You got the jiggly booty? Yeah. I just thought it's
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: got jiggly booty.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: I'm thick from the waist down.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: You see this?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: From the waist down, it's just like. Like, so I'm
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: Tyler Perry when I'm getting dressed and the niggas be like, damn.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: I'll be like, aight.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: Or when I was getting dressed with the boys at
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: the Middle Exotic Club, damn, Carter. I'm like, aight, chill. Aight.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: There is such a... So it's just like, but I'm like...
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Look at how the.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: Popularity of women wearing shorts, all the girls trying to
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: dress like tomboy, the culture, like, but.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: But it's just like normal... I have actually.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Who you didn't mention. Who? The first thud that I remember. Who?
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Amanda Perez.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: She knows Stud. She's not black.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: But she... Oh, wait. Okay, that's fair. So she's not a.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: No, Stud is black.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: I forgot about her.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: Would she not be considered a Stud? She's a... So
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: Stud had to become a term as far as... Because, again,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: it's still about racism.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: That's not a black and brown word then. It's just black.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: Racism still. It didn't matter. It's just like... We still
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: experienced racism in the gay community back then. Okay. So
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: it's just like all separate. Okay, say less. Y'all butches.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: Y'all mask. Mask.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Okay. Butches or.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: Fucking nitty-gritty. Like, you the finest bulldagger.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I ever met. No, she did not. Yes, I swear
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: to God.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: I said, oh, you old. Bulldagger. And I took it
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: as a compliment because how old she is.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: It's okay. It is.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: Not how old she is. I mean, what did she say?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: What did she say? What is that? A white refrigerator. Ooh,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: the ghetto.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: But I mean, I'm up there, too. But I'm up there, too.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: So she is. You know, she can't be my mom.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: So I'm up there.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: But when she said it, I took it as a compliment.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: It's okay.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: I don't say. Last thing I want to ask you, too,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: for anyone, listen, because we could go.
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  Speaker 4: Nigga.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: We need to 58, girl. I know. I do want
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: to ask. We can't do two hours?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: And then cut it? See, we should have had it,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: brought you for the last hour.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you, for anyone listening to this.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: I still feel like we got questions that needs to
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: be answered.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: All of the things.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: I think we need a part two.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: We do. Well, tomorrow, the next time.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: You never in Atlanta no more.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Don't do that. I'll be here. I'll be here. When
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: you be in LA?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: Look at me like, you said you pay for rent.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: When you be in LA? No, I'm... I'm over here
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: planning my way non-monogamously.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: So that's the thing. Like, with some studs, they like...
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: I like being treated like... Like, I want to be courted, too.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, again, pretty woman. Like, I
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: want my heart on my sleeve. The thing is, I
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: want to experience that, too. So I'm going to do
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: it because I want to experience it. I'm going to
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: do a whole picnic, like, a surprise or... I ain't
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: telling my secrets, so. But she know, because I didn't like.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: I ain't going to lie. When a bitch with money
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: want to do a picnic, I'd be like, damn, this is.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: Not even that. But it's just like. But if you
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: broke and you do a picnic, I'm pissed. What did
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: I tell you to do for your boo? When I
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: was trying to be romantic, it was a mystery.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: It's a mystery picnic.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: Or a mystery picnic, but also when you like, I
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: had to write my own cards like at the door.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: Scavenger hunt in the house.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Scavenger hunt in the house.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: The last thing at the last card is just like, oh,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: get ready. We going to like out of the country.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: Let me get out of my phone. Hold on.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: No, see, no more. No more. I ain't telling my secrets.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: But I'm romantic like that.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: What would be.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: Your advice to any mask presenting women listening to this?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: Oh, be your authentic self and don't matter. The thing is,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: I know generations change. Again, I'm an OG and born
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: in the 80s and 90s. We grew up different. So,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: they don't really like us because they like, oh, we
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: too feminine for y'all. And the thing is, you, fuck it.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck if y'all twerk. I don't
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: give a fuck if y'all sassy and just like walk
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: with it. You know what I'm saying? Like, people gonna
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: judge regardless of what you do. Just be a good person. Yeah.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: And generally, you know what I'm saying? Just like even
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: the trans men, trans women, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: I'm getting a lot of hate even in that community.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: The thing is, yeah, I don't want to talk about it.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And we can another time. But it's just like,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: if you're being disrespected, and then I'm also, being cool
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: at that point, but you're still disrespecting me. Now I'm
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: just going to disrespect. It's not even just your trans,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: but fuck you. You know what I'm saying? But be
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: a good person. Be your authentic self. Fuck whatever anybody think.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: Because honestly, where I'm at right now, even Tyler Perry being, like,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: I have options. Like, even for the role when I
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: was telling you, even you being, having sex with a
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: dildo was a certain type of dildo. I'm like, that's
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: not what we do. The intimacy coordinator was like, are
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: you okay with this? I said, no. And it's like, okay,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: what would you like? Speak up. But the thing is,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: not every production has the speak up. But like I said,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: Tyler Perry, I have options. Even like if it's a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: wardrobe that's like too tight and I don't like it.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: You okay with this? You comfortable? No. No. I'm not
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: feeling this. Okay, well, we have this. You have options.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: I got options, and I'm getting paid this much.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: Now I can do this.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Everybody really does speak highly of Tyler. They do speak
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: highly of him.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: You know, changed my life. He changed a lot of lives.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: And I'm just little me, and I'm not little me.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: I get it. People are like, you're not little. But
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: out of all the actors, you're.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: Not that tall.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: And I'm talking about money.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, come on.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: My wallet was absolutely tall working with Tyler, okay? And
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, even with just me with that wallet.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Period.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: Changed my life.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: Making this money in a week?
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Who?
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: The fuck? So be yourself, okay? Don't give a fuck
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: what nobody says. Again, it doesn't matter if you're trans, bisexual, okay? Lesbian, straight,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: it don't matter. Stay your authentic self. But also, if
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: you want to make it, you have to stand out.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: That's the part. Don't be like nobody else. That's how
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: I made it in the male exotic. I stood out.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: Even though I got my muscles. But I'm also clean.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? Dirty. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: But I had to stand out. Look at you throwing that.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: Not the feminine ways to be in the shower. I mean,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: a lot of men don't even, they don't even know
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: how to clean their booty nowadays because they think it's gay.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: That's weird. Yeah, I don't like it.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: That's a whole nother topic. But stand out. It don't
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: matter who you are. Stand out to be different. And
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: that's hard nowadays. But you got to find your niche.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: That's how you will be recognized. And that's how I
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: got my shot at Tyler Perry for standing out. Like, oh,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: I'm basically playing my life, literally. on the show.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, our niche was being whores before it was cool.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: And now it's not cool anymore.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: That's why Weezy doesn't want to be called a whore.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: I used to be one and I used to do
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: something strange for a piece of change back in the day.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: I still am.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: I can't. I got shit to lose now, so I can't.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: Where can they follow you? Where can they support you?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: Where can they watch you? They can't follow me again
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: on a part two of Decisions Decisions. You just.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Hello. Let's do it when the season comes out.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: We ain't stop.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: So we can talk about that scene. Yes. Oh, we
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: got to do it when the scene come out. Oh
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: my God, yes. But that's when we going.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: To do it. The thing is, that's going to be
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: a whole. No, we playing it right here. We actually
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: going to watch it.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Wait, another what? Three months? And voice it.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: No, it's going to be longer. But the thing is,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: we have still shit to talk about because of our autistic.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: You said ADHD.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Both. I'm on the spectrum.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: Y'all are ADHD. I feel like we are. That's still
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: the spectrum. I still got shit to talk about. So
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: part two before that, before the next year, because 2027
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: is when it's coming out. So, yeah, they're bringing me back.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: Maybe a month or two. That's fine. But no, Instagram
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: Carter underscore the body. See Carter. I am now starting
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: to produce and develop films. And we have to. We
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: have to create our own now being especially like BET
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: has been sold. We don't have our own no more.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: So now we have to actually use our brains to...
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: That's why autism and ADHD, we are winning because we
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: are so creative and smart.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Not that they winning over the bisexuals.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: You look just like your Instagram. I'm going to tell
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: you right now, she just is fine. She just is fine. Oh, well,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: I'm in the pictures where you ain't got no clothes on, basically.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I have a sports bra. I would say better,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: but you not no catfish. Hello.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Because the girlies do be that.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: You know, I have my sports bra on. I ain't naked.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: Because I would never.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: That's naked.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: You would never catch me on any.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: We talking stud talk. That's naked to me. Oh, my God.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: That's naked. Right.
• 1:13:22
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• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: quick shout out to you black women and no no
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: no because i want to highlight you guys and the
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: thing is i don't feel like you guys are highlighting
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: enough just for the simple fact that we are again
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: we're not men and we're not white so even though
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: i got the third of the stud that's worse but
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: being that you guys are extremely um successful especially in
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: this because you guys been doing this for a long
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: time again i've been um down yes um thank you
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: been there where it was horrible decisions but also i
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: know what you're doing at nyc shout out to you
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: you got a truck the thing is i had to
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: talk to uh my friend that lives out there And
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: she was talking about you, and I'm just like, being
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: successful and black and a woman in NYC is extremely hard.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: That's not a thing. Just like L.A. Shout out to
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: you also being who you are and standing on business
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: of who you are, both of you guys, because you
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: guys don't give a fuck, and that's what makes you
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: who you are and stand out. Because when you don't
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: give a fuck, It's literally when you stand out.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: That's a fact.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: And guess what? I don't give a fuck about you
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: pussy ass hoes. So, thank y'all. And thank you, Carter.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: That's so sweet.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: Thank you for the kind words.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: That's that feminine side of you. Thank y'all so much
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: for tuning in to another episode. And I will receive, okay?
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: I ain't got, you know.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Not a compliment having to be the girl at home.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: I will receive. Being nice.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: And I'm okay with that because, you know, a lot
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: of them, they like, oh, it's your girl. No, I'm
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: still a woman.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Period. Thank you. Thank you.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: Bye, y'all.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: Thank you.