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#32: Intuition, Creativity, and the Nature of Consciousness — Michael Collins · Love Conquers Fear

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  There's no doubt that there's a consciousness awakening
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  underway. We're constantly stuck in the
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  intellect, in this world of activity, in this world of the
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  five senses, where we're bringing in information and
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  saying this is what's true, this is what's not true.
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  This is what I like, what I don't like, my preferences, my
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  desires, all that. We're limiting our perception of
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  reality to a very specific well. We're seeing young people move
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  through the world in a way that's really connected,
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  connected to themselves, connected to this sort of deeper
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  source of knowing that's beyond the intellect.
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  And when you do that, you're moving through the world not
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  only a lot more joyfully and with more confidence and more
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  creativity, but with more service, because I think that's
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  also our nature. When you feel like you're
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  connected to everything and everyone, you very quickly start
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  taking responsibility for everything and everyone that's
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  around you, but not as a burden as your very nature.
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  Hey everyone, welcome back to the Love Conquers Fear podcast.
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  Last episode I was talking about the brilliance of season 2 of
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  The Telepathy Tapes which really is almost like a mirror
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  reflection of Where is My Mind by Mark Gober which came out in
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  2018. That podcast is based on his
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  first book on how our brains receive consciousness.
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  If you haven't watched episode 2 of this podcast, make sure you
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  do. And the Telepsy Tapes Season 2
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  really discusses non local consciousness and all the
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  different evidence of it being received.
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  And so definitely check that out.
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  And the reason I mentioned it again is not only because I love
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  it, but today's episode is really a deep dive on the same
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  subject that Mark Gober discusses as well as the
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  Telepathy Tapes. And I am very excited to to
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  share our guest with you today. Welcome.
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  Thank you bro, thanks for having.
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  Me. It's so good to have you here,
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  Michael. Really, really love you,
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  brother. And we had such a good time in
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  the Grand Canyon thanks to Arjun Gupta.
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  Maybe we should start there. Like, that was an incredible,
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  incredible trip. I mean, when when human beings
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  get together and have nothing but presents, you know, no
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  electronics really depending on each other, you know, making our
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  camps each night and just going down that 277 miles of the Grand
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  Canyon together, it created a bond, you know, which was
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  really, really special. And you and I really got to know
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  each other there. And I'm so happy that we were
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  brought together. Me too.
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  That was such a gift. I mean, sleeping under the
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  stars. I I know you feel so humbled but
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  also so connected to everything simultaneously.
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  It's just like holding that contradiction and you just can't
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  avoid it every day. So beautiful.
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  Yeah, it was really beautiful. And you were such a Mensch there
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  because the whole time you were videographing the the whole the
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  whole thing. And you put together that
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  beautiful video that you sent to us all.
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  And it moved me to tears. It brought back all the memories
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  of the Grand Canyon and and just the group that we were part of.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just special to be able
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  to to share that with everyone. I love that.
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  I love, you know, being able to kind of sit and, and try to find
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  a way to create a little poem from a moment in life.
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  And I think that's why I'm attracted to, yeah, to
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  filmmaking in general. Yeah.
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  What was one of your favorite moments in the Grand Canyon?
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  Was the standout moment. There were so many.
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  I'll tell you every day, as crazy as it is, just looking for
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  somewhere to camp and setting up and just laying there because it
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  was like I felt like a little kid again.
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  Like on an adventure, like, where am I going to sleep?
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  Where's a good place? And you know, when you're a
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  little kind of going through your grandmother's attic,
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  opening up, you know, old boxes and things like that, it always
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  felt like that. I always felt like there was
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  this element of play and discovery because every camp
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  that we stayed at felt like it was just magical.
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  It was so magical. You know, so I just, I can't
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  really say I just absolutely loved every, every minute of it.
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  Yeah, You led our meditations out there too, and you really
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  have an incredible developed skill set in that area.
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  And one of them I had was really just absolutely transcendent.
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  Any any memories for you on that front, on the meditation side?
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  Yeah, you know, I'll say that. Just that that place alone has
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  such a powerful kind of sacred energy.
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  I didn't have to do very much, you know, it was like, but I
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  also used my intuition. Like there were certain moments
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  where we would walk somewhere and I was like, oh, I think we
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  need to do a meditation here. And I would think that.
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  And then Arjun would turn to me and he's like, I think we need
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  to do meditation here. I was like, I was just thinking
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  that. And I think that was the place
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  where you had that particularly deep experience, so you would
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  kind of hear it. I think, like you said in the
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  beginning, when you're disconnected from everything and
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  you're so close to nature, there's an inner knowing that we
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  always have that you're able to hear even more.
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  And so it made it very easy to navigate that stuff to, you
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  know, and to get quieter and to guide everyone.
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  And you can't design A more perfect place to leave
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  meditations than at the, you know, the bottom of the Grand
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  Canyon with a small group of people.
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  Yeah, one of the books I've mentioned on this podcast
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  several Times Now is The Celestine Prophecy, which is
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  phenomenal. And the most mind blowing moment
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  for me in the Grand Canyon was I was sitting next to Becca at the
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  campfire and we had one of our campers in the middle.
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  I'll, I'll keep him nameless for now because I haven't asked him
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  for permission to share the story.
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  But I did ask Becca and Becca was talking about signs that she
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  receives from her dad. And I love the book Signs by
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  Laura Lynn Jackson. She's actually in season 2 of
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  the tale of the tapes and she was in Mark Gober's podcast
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  Where is My Mind? But she was giving all these
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  inexplicable stories about how her dad, since her signs be a
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  pennies and they were just like way beyond random chance.
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  I mean, it was just totally inexplicable.
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  And the guy in the middle who I really love and we, we really
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  became good friends on the trip. He's, you know, he's, he's, he's
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  getting very curious. And then she says, well, So what
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  are the signs that your parents send you bread?
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  And I said, you know, it's things like goats and deer,
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  sometimes birds and and I can always feel like when it's, it's
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  them and their presence. And at that moment, a goat
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  appeared at the sunset. And everybody looked, you know,
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  looked up. And it was just the most
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  beautiful, majestic sunset with this goat standing up there on
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  the Cliff, totally stoic, you know, undisturbed by us looking
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  at it. And it lasted for quite a while.
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  It's like, you know, a good, good minute or two.
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  And I said to him, yeah, it's kind of like that.
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  And he's like, yeah, that's very interesting.
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  And you could tell he was getting more curious.
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  And he said, OK, this is going to sound really weird, guys.
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  But I found a coin when I was setting up camp, and this was
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  the first time this ever happened the entire time we were
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  in the Grand Canyon. It's actually pretty pristine.
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  Like, they really limit how many people can come there.
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  And it's such a treasure of the United States.
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  And he, he pulls it out and it's super weathered.
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  And he's like, you know, this is really interesting.
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  Maybe it's like a Navajo coin or something like that.
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  And him and Becca go to the river, rinse it off, come back,
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  and it's a freaking penny. And his mind is blown.
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  And it all happened, you know, within the span of a couple of
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  minutes. And that is exactly what the
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  Celestine prophecy is all about, that these synchronicities,
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  these signs from the divine, these signs from the universe,
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  however you want to look at it, You know, I think the divine is
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  very playful, very loving. Sometimes it really hits you
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  over the head where it's like wake up, wake up, wake up.
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  Yeah, that wasn't very subtle. That wasn't very subtle, no.
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  That was a hitting, hitting us over the head and it wasn't
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  meant in, in my opinion. It was it was cool that Becca's
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  dad sent her a sign and my parents sent me a sign, but it
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  was actually meant for him. I think it was meant for his own
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  spiritual journey to get him to realize like, hey, this is real.
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  So it's just a. I'll never forget that memory.
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  You know, it's funny, I actually think about when we first
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  arrived there, there was a big group of us and none of us knew
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  each other. And we were in Vegas the night
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  before. But I'll just arrived there.
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  We're getting settled. Like, Oh my God, what did we
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  sign up for? Who are these people?
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  And then I had to break up into groups to go to dinner and we
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  sort of self selected because we couldn't all go as one.
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  And for some reason, you were one of the first people that I
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  was drawn to. It's just like we, we kind of
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  went and you were like the only other vegetarian, I think on the
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  on the trip and we went out to dinner together.
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  I think there are signs everywhere.
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  And then there's always just little, little intuitions that
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  if you can listen to, are going to guide you towards your best
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  self and you know whatever's meant meant for you on that on
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  the journey. You may remember that, that the
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  younger Zach, not the Zach, the captain, you know, came with us.
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  And Zach and I became really good friends on the trip, too.
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  And there was a really beautiful meditation moment for Zach where
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  I was there with him. And it was really cool.
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  We both shared a lot of tears and a lot of hugs, and it was
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  just a incredible, incredible moment.
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  Yeah, yeah, I got, I got this beautiful handwritten note from
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  him and reached out to him recently to just to express
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  gratitude. So we're here in the movie room.
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  I always think it's so cool that this room was not designed by
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  me. It was, it was designed by the
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  woman who built this home. And this is over 200 year wall
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  from India. And this is apparently,
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  according to Mark Gober who was on episode 2, the Chinese deity
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  Kuan Yan, which is the unification between male and
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  female in the ascendancy of humanity.
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  And the reason I describe it for the first time on this podcast
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  is that last night we hosted dinner together and we had
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  amazing guest over here, some of my very close friends.
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  And we saw a 13 minute segment of your upcoming documentary
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  film on intuition. And it really blew people away.
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  And really, I mean, I, I teared up again seeing it, you know,
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  even though you and I had looked at it the night before as we
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  were selecting, you know what, what to show the group.
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  Why don't we, why don't we start there?
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  Because you know, the, the reason I wanted to have you on,
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  we're talking about getting together to discuss intuition,
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  you know, in the Grand Canyon. I, I, I knew that I was going to
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  start a podcast at that at that time.
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  And, and I think I asked you on the trip if you would be a guest
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  on the show. So that, that, that segment
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  really blew me away. And I, I can, I can describe
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  some of the moments, but let's, let's just first set it up.
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  Sure. Well, for the past three years,
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  my filmmaking partner Benjamin Henry Tig and I have been on
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  this journey where we're traveling all over the world,
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  but we've really honed in mostly on the US, India and Australia
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  to cover this phenomenon of intuition, which is, you know,
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  the, the lens through which we're looking at it or we have
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  the most access is these these students who are between ages of
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  five and 17 through a program called the intuition process
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  that the Art of Living Foundation is offering.
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  You know, I'm a long time meditator and, and that's where
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  I learned how to meditate. And that's where I kind of, you
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  know, we do breath work and meditation and all kinds of
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  stuff. There's like probably 52 or
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  something different programs under the Art of Living kind of
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  umbrella. And one of them that has come up
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  in the past years has been intuition.
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  So I'll be off on these meditation retreats and
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  everyone's out doing their own thing during the day.
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  And then at night they get together and the kids would come
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  and share what they learned that day and they would take a few
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  minutes and do what kind of looked like a magic show, you
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  know? And in a way, it was a little
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  bit like, you know, skeptical. You know, they would put on
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  blindfolds and do things that required vision, basically.
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  That was the main thing that they would do.
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  They would say what someone's wearing behind them.
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  They could copy pictures that people were drawing.
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  They could play tag with other kids on stage.
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  They could do all these things. And I didn't really know what to
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  think of it, to be honest. And then one time I was walking
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  down the hallway and a kid was about to go in and give one of
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  these demonstrations and he's like, I need to practice.
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  Do you have a, do you have something on you?
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  A card. And I, at the time, I was
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  touring with my film on my sunrise, and I had a card with
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  the movie poster, which was 2 veterans who kind of looked like
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  Forrest Gump. They had big beards and they
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  were wearing backpacks, hiking across the country.
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  And then in their backpacks was a superimposed image of them at
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  war. And so he takes it and he's
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  holding it and he's like, it's travellers.
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  No, it's soldiers. No, it's travellers.
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  And he's like, oh, I don't know why I'm not getting it right.
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  It's soldiers, it's travellers. And then he looked at it and I
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  was like, well, it's a photoshopped image of both.
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  And he's like, oh, OK. And so I was like, what is going
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  on here? Right.
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  How is this possible? So I started talking to his
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  mother and what I realized was this is a nice little
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  demonstration that there's something more, you know, that
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  that they have an ability to perceive things beyond the five
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  senses. But what's really the benefit of
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  that? Like they're what I discovered
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  quite quickly is that these kids were living from the heart.
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  They were living very creative, confident, playful lives where
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  where they also had access to really deep wisdom, you know,
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  and that's been my experience getting to know these kids over
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  the years. And I just felt like someone has
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  to tell the story. There's something going on here
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  that's really important, you know, and it was things that I
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  knew as a meditator of 22 years, experiences that I've had
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  personally, that have shown me that consciousness is
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  fundamental to reality. And this materialist sort of
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  worldview, this paradigm that we've been locked into through
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  our intellect for so long is really working against us as a
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  species, as individuals, in so many different ways.
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  And I thought telling this story could be an opportunity to have
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  these discussions and really treated it as an investigation.
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  So, and that's how Benjamin and I have really approached this
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  with curiosity, with skepticism and, and honestly just with a
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  lot of joy and playfulness, because all of my other films,
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  as you know, are pretty heavy, pretty serious things.
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  And to, to make something that is exploring our potential
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  possibility has just been such a gift.
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  So it's, you know, we've, we're looking at students, teachers,
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  scientists, all who are in orbit of this phenomenon, you know,
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  and of course our approach is with individuals.
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  You know, it's going to be character driven and going on
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  journeys with people, but it's covering a lot of ground.
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  So we've been shooting now for three years and we just started
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  about a month ago organizing all the footage, all 100 and nearly
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  80 days of production that we've had so far to start to think,
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  OK, how are we going to turn this into the most compelling,
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  exciting, accessible story that we can share with the world?
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  I'll, I'll tell you, there's so many mind blowing moments for me
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  just in the segment, but the one where I got goosebumps when I
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  saw it was the one where the little girl was making an object
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  move on a table with her mind. What is it like to be the person
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  videoing that and seeing that and like, you know, the
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  skeptical mind, you know, you're looking up.
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  Are there any other strings or anything here?
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  It it really just, it just shot up, you know, my arms when I saw
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  that. There have been so many moments
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  like that, and it's funny because at a certain point you
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  start to normalize it and take it for granted.
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  And there are moments of skepticism for sure.
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  And I think there has to be. We have to have some healthy
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  skepticism. We have to like push on things
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  and really make sure that it's going to stand that scrutiny,
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  you know, of the rational mind, as it should.
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  That moment in particular, I remember this young woman and
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  she's a little teeny, tiny, adorable girl.
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  She must have been 8 years old or something or.
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  And she's sitting there and she's making straws move one at
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  a time. And of course, Benjamin and I
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  are, yes, we're looking at each other.
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  We're like, is this really happening in front of us right
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  now? And then I remember the teacher
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  saying, OK, now, now blow it with your breath, use your your
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  nose. And she does it and they all
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  move at the same time. And then she's like, OK, now do
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  it again with your mind. And it would be 1 straw at a
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  time going. So, you know, again, to the
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  extremely skeptical mind, yeah, there there's, you're always
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  going to be able to, to hold on to that scepticism if that's
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  what you need. But for us, it's really fun when
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  you see this stuff and it just is, you know, it's, it's just
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  part of the ride that we're on. I, I think one of the moments
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  for us very early on where we had a lot of these, Oh my God,
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  moments like, is this really happening was when we went to a
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  blind school, you know, because we had, we had seen this and
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  there's always going to be some skepticism around a blindfold,
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  right? Because there just will be, it's
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  just such an easy thing to, to be skeptical of.
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  So one of the very first shoots that we went on was we were in
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  India and they were bringing this program to a school for,
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  for blind students. And the students didn't even
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  know what they were, what, what was going to be offered to them.
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  You know, they had made an arrangement with the with the
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  school and they went there and we're watching kids who were
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  born blind, who have no ability to see, whose eyes are
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  completely white, who have no reference for color, who only
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  know how to read using Braille. And it was a big room.
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  So we had three cameras and we put certain people on Lavalieres
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  who we thought, you know, we would monitor, but we're also
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  going to move around. So I, I remember the teachers,
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  there's a couple of teachers, but then they have assistants.
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  They want one assistant either per every two kids, sometimes
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  per every one kid because they want to practice with them.
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  So the program itself, you know, just to this is always a
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  question that comes up. What is this program?
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  And it's a bit of body movement, a little bit of breath work and
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  a guided meditation. And then it's just practice.
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  They, they just, they're sort of activating their intuition and
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  then they're doing exercises to help them discern, I would say
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  the sound of their intuition versus their intellect, which is
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  why with kids who have vision, they're putting a blindfold on
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  them. They put the blindfold on, hand
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  them these cards and they're like, alright, what's your first
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  thought? What are you seeing?
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  What are you seeing? And then they see that they're
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  getting it right. They'll say, oh, I see a dog or
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  a blue or whatever and they're like, wow, I'm getting it right
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  over and over again. And they start to trust that
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  with the blind, that. That that inner spark.
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  Of that that inner voice, they start to be able to really hear
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  it and and trust it 100%. And then with the kids who are
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  blind. So we go in there not having
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  covered this, this is very weird stuff to even learn how to cover
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  as on film. And so I just remember saying to
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  the assistants, if a kid starts getting it right, raise your
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  hand and we'll come over there. And I'm thinking it's going to
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  happen a couple of times throughout the afternoon.
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  Very quickly, all the hands start going up.
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  So Oh my God. And so we focused in as best we
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  could. And I will say that there was
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  one young man who really stood out.
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  And he he stood out to me from the second that we arrived.
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  I would just describe him as like sunshine.
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  This kid was just beaming. He was probably 14-13 years old,
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  had one of those smiles that just had so much gravity to it.
• 21:32
  You just wanted to be around him.
• 21:33
  He was just so, so joyful and so kind.
• 21:37
  And he was working with one of the main students who we had
• 21:40
  already been following, who has vision.
• 21:42
  She came to assist and I so I could hear her microphone and
• 21:46
  she's talking to him. She's like, what?
• 21:48
  Whoa. And she, her mind is getting
• 21:50
  blown. She has these abilities and
• 21:52
  she's can't believe what's happening in front of her.
• 21:54
  So I go over there and he is reading, you know, without
• 21:59
  Braille. And some of it was by
• 22:00
  association. She handed him a card.
• 22:03
  It said banking. He put his hand on it and he's
• 22:05
  like accounting. So we're always trying to figure
• 22:08
  out what is even going on, right?
• 22:10
  How does this work? I've, I still to this day really
• 22:13
  couldn't tell you. So for him, there was some kind
• 22:16
  of association going on. He was saying accounting and it
• 22:19
  said banking. She handed him a card of a
• 22:21
  golden pear that was cut in half.
• 22:24
  He he touched it. He's like, it's golden jewelry.
• 22:27
  So he wasn't getting it 100% right.
• 22:28
  But then he was getting it and then he was starting to get more
• 22:32
  and more things right. And then at one point they do
• 22:36
  different exercises that are kind of playful.
• 22:38
  He moves up to the very front of the room in front of the
• 22:40
  teacher. And two of the students go to
• 22:42
  the way back who are assistants. And the teacher says, OK, do a
• 22:46
  yoga pose. And everyone in in the class
• 22:49
  just catch your first thought and imitate that He was the
• 22:52
  first one up doing it exactly like they were doing it, like,
• 22:57
  you know, 50 feet or even more behind him.
• 23:00
  And he knew he was shouting out to the teacher.
• 23:02
  Correct. I got it correct.
• 23:04
  And we're on we're watching this stuff.
• 23:05
  So you know it's. And just to be clear, he's
• 23:09
  blind. He's completely blind.
• 23:11
  Some of the students weren't completely blind.
• 23:13
  Some of them had different degrees of vision.
• 23:15
  He did not. And you could see it by looking
• 23:17
  at his eyes. And he just got it, you know, So
• 23:21
  you start to see the implication.
• 23:22
  Obviously, kids who have vision, wearing a blindfold and doing
• 23:26
  activities is not very useful. You don't need to do that.
• 23:29
  So I think it, you know, to be honest, that the blindfold can
• 23:32
  become a bit of a distraction for outsiders kind of looking at
• 23:35
  this phenomenon. I would say the most incredible
• 23:39
  and important things and the reason why we've devoted all of
• 23:42
  these years is because we're seeing young people move through
• 23:47
  the world in a way that's really connected, connected to
• 23:50
  themselves, connected to a this sort of deeper source of knowing
• 23:56
  that's beyond the intellect. And when you do that, you're
• 24:00
  moving through the world not only a lot more joyfully and
• 24:03
  with more confidence and more creativity, but with more
• 24:08
  service because I think that's also our nature.
• 24:12
  You know, when you feel like you're connected to everything
• 24:14
  and everyone, you very quickly start taking responsibility for
• 24:18
  everything and everyone that's around you, but not as a burden
• 24:21
  as your very nature. And that's how these kids are
• 24:24
  moving through their communities, their families.
• 24:28
  As we're talking to the parents, they're looking to these young
• 24:31
  people who are in their early teens as leaders in the family.
• 24:35
  They don't worry about them. They're like, OK, what
• 24:37
  extracurricular activities are you going to do?
• 24:40
  What college do you want to go to?
• 24:42
  What career do you want to pursue?
• 24:45
  And it's, and the kids know with such conviction, but in such a
• 24:50
  light way, they're like, I'm going to that school, I'm doing
• 24:53
  that. This is what I want to do.
• 24:55
  And it's so a matter of fact, it's like, it's like they're
• 24:58
  living their Dharma, their purpose.
• 25:00
  It it's very clear to them. And they're not like so many of
• 25:05
  us always struggling. Well, should I do this?
• 25:06
  Should I do that? What am I supposed to do?
• 25:08
  What's expected of me? What does society want of me?
• 25:11
  What does success look like? All of these things they have
• 25:15
  that inner knowing that's guiding them and the ripple
• 25:18
  effects of that and their family and their schools and their
• 25:21
  community. It's like these just waves of of
• 25:25
  peace that you see and enjoy and not that hard things don't
• 25:29
  happen. Not that they don't face
• 25:31
  challenges, but their buoyancy is just absolutely incredible.
• 25:37
  So I think that's why Benjamin and I were just like, this is a
• 25:41
  story worth telling. Yeah, it's amazing and you know
• 25:45
  it. It reminds me a lot of the book.
• 25:48
  Do you know the book The Seed of the Soul by Gary Zukov?
• 25:51
  No, I don't. So Oprah Winfrey said that it
• 25:54
  was her favorite book and really transformed her life.
• 25:59
  She wrote the 25th anniversary preface to it.
• 26:04
  Love the book. I read it, read it this year a
• 26:06
  couple of times. And you know, what Gary Zukov
• 26:10
  says in that book is that a lot of the suffering we have in the
• 26:14
  world is because of this framework of the five sensory
• 26:20
  human that there's that there's nothing beyond, you know, our
• 26:24
  five senses and to become multi sensory and realize that there
• 26:30
  is this, you know, source beyond, you know, the divine,
• 26:35
  you know, heaven, however you want to look at it, that the
• 26:37
  universe is playful. Really would just that alone, if
• 26:43
  everybody could wake up and see that would alleviate so much
• 26:47
  suffering because people would would would be able to grasp at
• 26:51
  that. And I think that that's why the
• 26:53
  telepsy tapes has been so popular.
• 26:56
  It's not just the it's not just the on wonder of how are these
• 27:02
  children that are profiled on telepsy tapes for the first
• 27:07
  season that can't speak? You know, they don't have that
• 27:11
  auditory ability, but they have this ability to to speak to
• 27:15
  someone's mind, You know, whether it's their caretaker or
• 27:17
  whether it's their mom. It's actually a message of hope.
• 27:21
  You know, the the thing that I loved about how season 1 ended
• 27:25
  is the non speakers give their message to humanity in terms of
• 27:31
  what they wish for all of us. And one of the things that they
• 27:34
  say is it we all have these abilities, it's just for
• 27:38
  whatever reason, they're turned off in US.
• 27:41
  And why do you think they're turned off in US?
• 27:44
  I just absolutely agree with everything that you said.
• 27:47
  And I wouldn't necessarily say that they're turned off.
• 27:51
  I would say that maybe we're not honoring them the way that we
• 27:57
  should. Maybe we're distracted by this
• 28:00
  outer world of our five senses so much that we've equated that
• 28:04
  to reality and we're ignoring this other, this whole other
• 28:07
  side of reality. I think that we all have these
• 28:10
  abilities. That's been my experience.
• 28:12
  I think it's easier for kids to strengthen them, to exercise
• 28:16
  them at a younger age. There's less unlearning for them
• 28:19
  to do. Their brain isn't so wired in
• 28:22
  such a binary way of this is what's real, this is what's not
• 28:25
  real, and this is what's possible and locked into the
• 28:28
  intellect where they can have this more holistic experience of
• 28:34
  perceiving the world in themselves and their connection
• 28:37
  to it. So how has it happened?
• 28:40
  I think you have guests on who are a lot more experienced and
• 28:45
  smarter than me that could probably tell you.
• 28:47
  You know, if you look back at our recent history over the last
• 28:51
  couple of 100 years and our education system and, you know,
• 28:54
  the Industrial Revolution and all of the things that we've
• 28:58
  done to really just focus becoming the same.
• 29:02
  Becoming sort of, you know, cogs in a machine that can repeat
• 29:06
  tasks over and over again, to behave, to fall in line, All of
• 29:11
  that kind of stuff that we've we've ignored this other side of
• 29:16
  us and I. Couldn't agree with that more.
• 29:18
  I mean, I, I think that I, I want to emphasize that there has
• 29:23
  been so much good that has come out of the rise of science, that
• 29:28
  has come out of the rise of the industrial revolution, the rise
• 29:30
  of capitalism, billions of people alleviated out of
• 29:35
  starvation, poverty, But we have to get back to becoming more
• 29:43
  human again. And I think that's a really,
• 29:46
  really important aspect of the work that you're doing with
• 29:50
  intuition with this documentary. The work that Flopsy Tapes is
• 29:55
  doing is getting back to that, really learning how to use, you
• 30:01
  know, our bodies and minds. You know, episode 9 with, with,
• 30:06
  with John and Lauren, where they're talking about Evolve,
• 30:09
  which is an amazing device. We, we experienced it here in
• 30:13
  this room. It's a meditation device that
• 30:16
  can take you into really deep States and it's guiding you the
• 30:21
  whole time and measuring all your brain waves.
• 30:24
  You know, John made the point of our bodies are amazing, that we
• 30:29
  need to unlock those powers again.
• 30:32
  Yeah, and I mean, it's just what you said where those brain waves
• 30:37
  work. If we're constantly stuck in the
• 30:38
  intellect, in this world of activity, in this world of the
• 30:42
  five senses, where we're bringing in information and
• 30:45
  saying this is what's true, this is what's not true.
• 30:47
  This is what I like, what I don't like, my preferences, my
• 30:51
  desires, all that. We're limiting our perception of
• 30:54
  reality to a very specific realm.
• 30:57
  And there's a whole other when you can quiet the mind and move
• 31:01
  to these other dimensions of yourself through practices like
• 31:06
  meditation, you're going to experience a heightened
• 31:11
  intuition in yourself, you know, And that's, that's been my
• 31:15
  experience. I think working with these kids,
• 31:16
  you know, witnessing these kids the last few years has allowed
• 31:19
  me to give myself more permission to do that.
• 31:23
  But I think as someone who's been meditating for so many
• 31:25
  years anyway, you know, we all have that deep inner knowing
• 31:29
  that that's the truth, you know? And it can be little things like
• 31:33
  what, You know, I'm thinking of someone that I haven't thought
• 31:35
  of for a long time and suddenly a text comes through on your
• 31:39
  phone. Very little things to much more
• 31:41
  profound things, like why did I stop before driving around that
• 31:45
  corner and then come to find out there was an accident right up
• 31:48
  there? I mean, there are just so many
• 31:50
  wild stories. And that's what I've been
• 31:52
  hearing more and more after I've started this film.
• 31:55
  You know, as I said, my background was much more has
• 31:58
  been much more traditional social issue documentary.
• 32:01
  And so I'm almost a little apologetic when someone's like,
• 32:03
  what are you working on now? And I feel like I'm coming out
• 32:06
  as a meditator. I'm like, well, it's a little
• 32:08
  different. And it's about, you know,
• 32:09
  consciousness and intuition and kids with these abilities.
• 32:13
  And I'm waiting for people to roll their eyes.
• 32:15
  And it's 95% of the time it's been just the opposite.
• 32:20
  People are waiting to tell me their story of intuition, inner
• 32:24
  knowing that they have inexplicable things that happen
• 32:26
  in their lives. So I think in a way, we're
• 32:30
  ready. We're ready to kind of take
• 32:32
  these conversations out of the margins and, you know, and start
• 32:37
  having them in. Yeah, in a more mainstream way,
• 32:40
  because we understand that this is the way to peace within
• 32:44
  ourselves, to peace in our society, to peace in the world,
• 32:47
  we have to acknowledge that we're much more than just these
• 32:52
  little transmitters of consciousness, but in fact,
• 32:56
  we're receivers. There's no doubt that there is a
• 32:58
  consciousness awakening under way.
• 33:00
  I mean, I see it all over the place and I've experienced it
• 33:04
  too, for sure. Well, what's your thesis on why
• 33:07
  that's happening? You know, because it really,
• 33:09
  really is coinciding with many factors.
• 33:11
  It's coinciding with the rise of AI.
• 33:14
  It's coinciding with a real assault on our senses.
• 33:21
  I think that that there's a 24/7 kind of hijacking of our
• 33:27
  amygdala underway, which is our fear center.
• 33:32
  You know, I always like to remind people that we're in the
• 33:35
  Homo sapiens that for .1% of our existence here on Earth are
• 33:41
  experiencing electricity. And that doesn't mean everybody
• 33:43
  in the world's experiencing electricity, but, but most
• 33:47
  people have experienced it or they have it all the time.
• 33:51
  Of course, we, we have it for the most part in America all the
• 33:53
  time. And so that that means that our
• 33:58
  scarcity mindset and our amygdala, our fear center has
• 34:02
  been really well developed for real scarcity.
• 34:06
  You know, we have abundance today that people couldn't
• 34:09
  imagine, But you know, you have this, this coinciding with this
• 34:13
  24/7 media barrage on can we make you scared versus all the
• 34:20
  amazing stories that are happening all over the world
• 34:25
  that are beautiful acts of, of love, you know, and connection.
• 34:30
  The constant social media hijacking.
• 34:33
  You know, Jason Karp was here at our home yesterday, as was Mark
• 34:38
  Gober for the dinner. Jason was on episode 3, you
• 34:42
  know, and he talked about the constant hijacking of our bodies
• 34:45
  with, with food, you know, chemically engineered food to
• 34:48
  keep us just addicted to it. You've got the pharmaceutical
• 34:53
  complex. So you have all these challenges
• 34:56
  happening at the same time as this rise of AI and this
• 35:01
  connectivity that we've never had before in human history.
• 35:06
  But yet, you know, and, and it was in your, it was in your
• 35:11
  segment last night, this, this, this epidemic of loneliness and
• 35:15
  depression. So what do you think is
• 35:17
  happening with this consciousness?
• 35:19
  Consciousness awakening? Out of necessity, I guess, you
• 35:22
  know, my, my teacher, my meditation teacher, who you saw
• 35:26
  in that clip also Gurudev Sushi, Ravi Shankar, you know, talks of
• 35:29
  how opposite values are complementary, you know, and
• 35:33
  you, you can't have the light without the shadow.
• 35:36
  You know that one exists because of the other in contrast to the
• 35:40
  other. And in this moment where we are
• 35:42
  talking about some of the most extreme things that we've
• 35:45
  certainly experienced in our lifetimes, where our kids and
• 35:50
  our own consciousness is being hacked, you know, where fear is,
• 35:54
  has become this way for our companies to profit and to, you
• 35:59
  know, and, and so I think if we know and we have this experience
• 36:05
  that we are all connected, then an answer is going to rise, you
• 36:09
  know, in response to that. You know, I always think that
• 36:12
  some of my greatest teachers in my life on my journey so far
• 36:17
  have been the people who have been the worst to me, that
• 36:19
  they've caused the most pain in my life.
• 36:21
  If you're able to show up to those experiences and survive
• 36:25
  them and get through the other side and then reflect on them,
• 36:29
  you can kind of turn that into gratitude.
• 36:31
  And you realize, wow, they sparked real growth, real
• 36:35
  spiritual growth, whatever it might be, in so many different
• 36:38
  ways. And I suppose we could say that
• 36:40
  about what's going on on the planet where we now have social
• 36:44
  media, We have we now have the ability to see the most horrible
• 36:47
  things simultaneously all over the planet, which I also think
• 36:51
  is a little shocking to our system.
• 36:53
  I don't know if we're really wired to know about everything
• 36:55
  all at once in that way because we're such empathetic creatures
• 37:00
  and we want to, you know, respond to that.
• 37:02
  But I would say it feels to me like it's nature correcting
• 37:09
  what's going on. You know, if we are all truly
• 37:15
  connected to each other, then our, our response is, how do I
• 37:20
  help you? When you, when you see a kid,
• 37:22
  you know, at the playground and he falls, you want to run over
• 37:25
  and pick him up. You're not just like, is that
• 37:28
  my, is that my kid? Is that someone that I know?
• 37:30
  Like it's our instinct to help each other and to uplift.
• 37:35
  And so I just feel like this is consciousness's way of, you
• 37:40
  know, as people are going into this loneliness epidemic, kids
• 37:44
  are cutting and they're the suicide is on the rise and all
• 37:48
  of these things. There's also such beauty and
• 37:52
  connectivity and, you know, people like Jason and and who
• 37:57
  are just finding all these other ways that we can care for
• 38:01
  ourselves, we can care for each other and we can support each
• 38:04
  other. Yeah, yeah.
• 38:06
  Well, you're part of it, brother.
• 38:09
  You're definitely part of the consciousness awakening.
• 38:12
  This is your life's work. I mean, I know that this project
• 38:16
  is the most important to you in your life.
• 38:19
  I mean your your entire career. I I definitely feel that way.
• 38:23
  I feel like the past 20 something years making films and
• 38:27
  as you know, it's been everything from like wrongful
• 38:30
  conviction in the Philippines, you know, the veterans suicide
• 38:35
  epidemic in the US, gay rights in the Middle East and all over
• 38:39
  the world and environmental rights, like it's, it's spanned
• 38:43
  the whole spectrum. And I think, you know, as you
• 38:46
  know, also with every single one of my films, I do an impact
• 38:49
  campaign and we try to use this piece of media to go out and,
• 38:54
  and move the needle on whatever issue it is that we're trying to
• 38:57
  raise awareness around. So we partner with organizations
• 39:00
  and we're like, how can this film supercharge what you're
• 39:03
  already doing? And we see how effective it is.
• 39:06
  And I think that's what's kept me in this game for the past
• 39:10
  couple of decades because it's not a glamorous life.
• 39:13
  It's, you know, I, I love it and I'm learning and it's
• 39:16
  challenging and all those things, but, but it's also a lot
• 39:20
  of work, but it's been very rewarding.
• 39:23
  And I think what's happened recently is I've realized that
• 39:28
  it feels like triage what we're doing.
• 39:30
  I feel like as I point to all of these different things that are
• 39:33
  going on, we're putting band aids on them.
• 39:36
  And what's underneath it all is our consciousness, you know, the
• 39:41
  quality of our consciousness, this feeling of disconnectedness
• 39:47
  that we have from ourselves, therefore from each other,
• 39:51
  that's leading to all of these things.
• 39:53
  So, yeah, it's going to manifest as as greed in this politician
• 39:57
  who's now destroying the last rainforest in the Philippines,
• 40:01
  or it's going to lead to fear in this community that's trying to
• 40:06
  oppress and and hurt the LGBT community.
• 40:09
  It's it's coming out in all of these different ways, but
• 40:11
  there's something at the root of it.
• 40:14
  That we need to start getting to and that for me, is why making
• 40:20
  this film feels like the most important work I will have ever
• 40:23
  done. You know, because it's, it's
• 40:26
  showing that from a very young age, we can start to move
• 40:30
  through the world differently. That when, you know, if they're
• 40:35
  going to be organizations out there that are trying to hack
• 40:37
  our consciousness, that our kids have the ability to discern
• 40:41
  what's real from what's not real, that have the capacity to
• 40:46
  put the phone down and walk away and go play and do all the other
• 40:49
  things. And that's what I'm seeing.
• 40:51
  And then they're going to be the ones that are growing up to
• 40:53
  become business leaders, innovators, doctors, you know,
• 41:00
  in, in these technology companies, all of that kind of
• 41:03
  stuff. And when they're seeing like
• 41:06
  when they see the world through this lens of we're all
• 41:09
  connected, we're all in this together.
• 41:11
  It's not just how much can I gain from myself, it's going to
• 41:15
  be a much different world. Yeah, yeah.
• 41:17
  Well, they're, they're going to be the embodiment of what Gary
• 41:20
  Zukall was talking about in the Seat of the Soul that they're
• 41:23
  they're going to be able to navigate that much better and
• 41:26
  with a lot more love and lead from the heart.
• 41:28
  You know, we're talking about that at dinner last night that a
• 41:32
  huge part of what they're being taught is how to open the heart.
• 41:36
  That was in that amazing book into the Magic Shop by James
• 41:40
  Doty. I was mentioning that book to
• 41:42
  you on this trip. Incredible book where, you know,
• 41:47
  Ruth, the the the mother of the owner of this magic shop taught
• 41:52
  a very, very troubled 12 year old in a horrible situation with
• 41:56
  an alcoholic father, you know, constantly, you know, attacking
• 42:02
  his mom and just horrible things happening at home, you know,
• 42:06
  really taught him how to find his own intuition.
• 42:10
  That's he didn't use the word in that book, but that's what he's
• 42:13
  talking about. How to how to breathe, how to
• 42:16
  meditate, how to quiet his mind, how to open his heart, how to
• 42:19
  manifest, you know, very fairy Joe Dispenza like in terms of
• 42:24
  what he was learning. And if the whole world got to
• 42:30
  see that we're not just locked in this world of form and these
• 42:34
  five senses, then I would be 100% positive that we were going
• 42:40
  to make it to the age of abundance for all.
• 42:42
  I agree. And I think it's more than just
• 42:45
  seeing it, it's experiencing it and it's not that difficult.
• 42:49
  It's exactly what you said. How are we going to, how do we
• 42:51
  move from the head to the heart? What are the practices that we
• 42:54
  can do to get out of our intellect for a little while and
• 42:57
  get in, get into our heart, get into our gut?
• 43:00
  And they're simple. There's breathing techniques
• 43:02
  like as you know, we did some of this stuff yesterday.
• 43:04
  I know. That was so cool.
• 43:06
  Yeah, my, my sister and niece were over here.
• 43:08
  And you. Really helped Deborah too and my
• 43:12
  wife, like she loved the meditations.
• 43:14
  We we all loved it. But that was such a cool
• 43:17
  experience with you. Yeah, I think that's the secret.
• 43:20
  I think there is going to be a million books written about
• 43:26
  this. There's going to be lots of ways
• 43:28
  for us to prove that we need to be living more like that.
• 43:32
  But I think the actual work is having that experience and just
• 43:35
  doing it, you know, getting quiet.
• 43:38
  Like having the discipline in our own daily life to say, I'm
• 43:41
  going to sit, I'm going to find a practice that works for me,
• 43:45
  whether it's a meditation practice, breathing technique,
• 43:47
  whatever it is to get into that space.
• 43:49
  And then the more you do that, the more you bring that into
• 43:52
  your into the world of activity, into your daily life, and the
• 43:56
  less I think that grip of the material world and the intellect
• 44:00
  has on you. You get to move into that sort
• 44:03
  of witness consciousness a little faster.
• 44:05
  You know, when your emotions come up and your anger and your
• 44:09
  fear and all of these things, you start to notice them as
• 44:12
  opposed to just being, you know, having them dictate all of your
• 44:17
  behavior for the next couple of weeks.
• 44:19
  You get back to your center, your buoyancy is a lot is a lot
• 44:23
  better. So I mean, that for me is like
• 44:26
  feels like what the whole game is all about.
• 44:28
  How are we raising our our prana, our chi, our energy?
• 44:32
  How are we getting into our heart?
• 44:34
  How are we celebrating that, normalizing that, bringing that
• 44:39
  into schools, bringing that into workplaces?
• 44:41
  Like, what are we doing to make space for that?
• 44:45
  And the intellect is important and our ego is important.
• 44:48
  I need to know, you know, that we're separate from each other
• 44:51
  in certain aspects of life. And then I also have to have
• 44:55
  that experience of oneness too, because you learn so much from
• 44:59
  that. And so that's what I feel like
• 45:03
  we're moving into when you talk about the age of abundance for
• 45:05
  all, I think it is, it's a it's a new moment where we're
• 45:08
  honoring the heart as much as the head, where we're moving
• 45:13
  from both places. We don't need to need to move
• 45:16
  away from capitalism and democracy and all of these
• 45:19
  things. I think it's all important.
• 45:21
  But we also there needs to be some spirituality too.
• 45:25
  I think we're spiritual beings. And you know, so many of those
• 45:29
  conversations and we're taboo for so long.
• 45:32
  You know, it's just, oh, that's superstition and that's
• 45:35
  nonsense. But the second you start to
• 45:37
  experience these deeper levels of yourself, the more you just
• 45:43
  value it and the more undeniable it is as just such a deep source
• 45:47
  of of joy. Yeah.
• 45:49
  So I'd love to ask you about the founder for the Art of Living,
• 45:54
  because we've talked about him some over the past couple of
• 45:58
  days and I'm really fascinated with him.
• 46:02
  I as, as you know, you know, I went to India with Deborah, had
• 46:07
  studied Vedanta with Swamiji Parthasarathi.
• 46:12
  Vedanta really changed my life. It taught me how the mind is a
• 46:17
  very noisy place and you can be stuck into a constant, you know,
• 46:23
  worry about the past and anxiety about the future and just
• 46:26
  completely miss the present moment.
• 46:30
  And that helped me a lot as a leader, as a CEO over multiple
• 46:35
  companies. Just be in the present and you
• 46:39
  know, really help helped me make good decisions to listen to to
• 46:43
  people, not just be thinking about, you know, the next thing.
• 46:48
  And I know he's had a big influence on you and now he's
• 46:52
  having obviously he's got a great team for the art of
• 46:55
  living, but it's having a compounding influence, you know,
• 46:59
  worldwide with helping these children realize their gifts.
• 47:04
  And I've seen clips where he is emphasizing, look, everybody,
• 47:09
  this is like a human right? You, everybody has these
• 47:12
  abilities. They just need to be brought
• 47:14
  out. So tell, tell us about him.
• 47:17
  Sure. Well, his name is Guru Dev Sri
• 47:20
  Sri Ravi Shankar. And Oh my gosh, I would say, you
• 47:26
  know, he was not someone honestly that I was looking for
• 47:29
  in my life. It was just someone who I, I, I
• 47:34
  came to learn about him through the practices that he shares in
• 47:39
  the world, which it's kind of like what you said, this
• 47:43
  tendency that we have for our mind to be stuck in the past,
• 47:46
  whether it's, you know, regretting or glorifying or in
• 47:50
  the future either worrying or again, planning.
• 47:53
  And it's that vacillation that causes so much stress in our
• 47:56
  nervous system and that inability to be in the present
• 47:58
  moment. Him recognizing that and knowing
• 48:03
  that there are techniques, very powerful, simple techniques that
• 48:07
  everyone should have access to, no matter your background or you
• 48:12
  know. And so he made it his life's
• 48:14
  mission to share that. So it came to me because I was
• 48:17
  an insomniac in my 20s. I had a horrible time sleeping.
• 48:23
  And I was kind of, you know, in living the New York City dream.
• 48:27
  I was an art director some years out of art school.
• 48:30
  I was doing great. And from the outside I looked
• 48:32
  very successful. And I had a lot of stress,
• 48:35
  wasn't sleeping, all that kind of stuff.
• 48:36
  And my partner at the time had some friends visiting from the
• 48:40
  Philippines and one said, oh, I do this thing called the
• 48:42
  Sidarshan Kriya. It's called sky meditation for
• 48:44
  short. And now I sleep like a baby.
• 48:47
  So we just signed up for this course blindly.
• 48:50
  There happened to be an art of she's like, it's through this
• 48:52
  organization called the Art of Living.
• 48:53
  Like, OK, whatever, whatever it is, I'm just going to do it.
• 48:56
  So we found that there was an Art of Living center in New York
• 48:59
  City. We went and took this course.
• 49:01
  Over the course of a few days, I learned this breathing technique
• 49:04
  and it changed my life. It was like someone took, I
• 49:10
  don't know, it was like I had been seeing through like a dirty
• 49:12
  window that was all black and white and it was like someone
• 49:15
  just came and washed it and I was like, whoa, this is
• 49:18
  fantastic. It it's, it's a purifying
• 49:21
  technique really is what it is, the Sedarshan Kriya.
• 49:24
  And it just, it gets rid of a lot of the stress, you know,
• 49:29
  from your nervous system. The more you do it, the deeper
• 49:32
  it goes, you know, because we accumulate it.
• 49:34
  I mean, some would say over lifetimes.
• 49:37
  And I quickly was just like getting back to myself.
• 49:40
  It wasn't that I was suddenly now becoming this, this monk or
• 49:44
  this like Yogi. I was just feeling like myself
• 49:47
  again, like that kid again, you know, that that part of me that
• 49:52
  hadn't gone through so much stress and trauma that had been
• 49:56
  accumulated over the years. So I just stuck with that
• 49:58
  breathing technique. It worked for me.
• 50:00
  And I can go into this more later.
• 50:02
  But you know, three months later, I quit my job and jumped
• 50:04
  on a plane to the Philippines to make my first film.
• 50:06
  And I'll tell you, if I didn't have this practice, I wouldn't
• 50:09
  have survived that. I wouldn't have finished that
• 50:11
  film. Tell me about that film and
• 50:12
  that. Sure, because I know that was
• 50:14
  really on the surface it seemed extremely stressful.
• 50:17
  Oh yeah, it was, it was, it was stressful on every, on every
• 50:20
  level. OK, not just on the surface.
• 50:21
  OK. I had the.
• 50:23
  Breathing technique, thank God, which I mean was total divine
• 50:29
  timing. I couldn't.
• 50:30
  And I really believe that. So my partner and I, you know,
• 50:35
  so he's, he was Philip. He's Filipino.
• 50:38
  His brother's brother-in-law was on death row in the Philippines
• 50:43
  for a crime they claim he didn't commit.
• 50:47
  You know, Marty, who was my filmmaking partner, his his
• 50:50
  brother reaches out to me and he's like, listen, my brother in
• 50:53
  law's on death row. The Supreme Court just upheld
• 50:56
  the decision. He's going to be executed in 18
• 50:58
  months. I know you do animation.
• 51:01
  I know that's part of your background.
• 51:02
  Could you look at some of the injustices that happened in his
• 51:05
  trial, make an animation and put it up online?
• 51:07
  This is the early 2000s. And I'm like, Marty, is this guy
• 51:10
  really innocent? He's like, I mean, I think so,
• 51:13
  but it's, I don't know. It's a really complicated case.
• 51:15
  I've been living away from the Philippines for so long.
• 51:18
  I do all this research. Not only is this guy innocent,
• 51:21
  but it's just like, it's like a Kafka novel.
• 51:24
  It's just completely insane what has happened to him.
• 51:28
  And I felt an immediate connection to him.
• 51:31
  You know, he had been in jail for seven years at the time.
• 51:33
  I had been in New York City for seven years.
• 51:35
  I think about all the lifetimes I had lived and, and how much I
• 51:38
  had grown and how much my life had changed.
• 51:40
  And I think he's been stuck in jail.
• 51:43
  And it was like I just felt a connection to him and like a
• 51:45
  responsibility. We had no choice.
• 51:48
  I bought a camera. I had some experience with
• 51:52
  video, I would say in time based to media, but not documentary
• 51:55
  filmmaking. Quit my job.
• 51:56
  Marty quit his job. And we flew to the Philippines
• 51:59
  and we began this investigation. And it was terrifying.
• 52:02
  I had no idea what I was doing right, Right.
• 52:04
  But I had a lot of conviction and, and there were, you know,
• 52:08
  it was scary. There was a drug Lord behind
• 52:10
  this that really used him as a scapegoat, him and his friends
• 52:14
  to get the attention off of them.
• 52:15
  And they made it a big media kind of frenzy and everyone was
• 52:21
  against him. The whole country believed that
• 52:23
  this kid was a monster and he wasn't.
• 52:26
  And we were, that's what we were working against.
• 52:29
  And we were working against forces that were pretty
• 52:31
  terrifying. And people were scared to come
• 52:33
  out and talk to us. We just spent months and months,
• 52:36
  like trying to navigate all of this.
• 52:39
  So I'll just Fast forward a bit. We got through it.
• 52:42
  If I didn't have the ability to come home at the end of each day
• 52:45
  and do this breathing technique and clear my system, I wouldn't
• 52:49
  have been able to be present. You know, I remember the first
• 52:51
  time I sat in front of his parents in the beginning, they
• 52:55
  said that they weren't going to allow me to interview them.
• 52:56
  They're like, we'll connect you to other people.
• 52:58
  But they had been so burned by the media that they said, and
• 53:03
  they didn't know me. So they I was probably just some
• 53:06
  other person who was going to come in and take their story and
• 53:08
  twist it and do something terrible.
• 53:10
  They got to see me interviewing other people.
• 53:12
  And then they were like, oh, we trust this guy.
• 53:14
  So I sat down with them. I wasn't even prepared to, if I
• 53:18
  didn't have a meditation practice, if I didn't have that
• 53:21
  ability to get centered, I wouldn't have been able to be
• 53:24
  present for them. And I think that was something I
• 53:27
  learned very quickly was how I showed up on set, how vulnerable
• 53:32
  I got, how much I was present and there from the heart and not
• 53:36
  from the head. I wasn't thinking, what if this
• 53:38
  is the thing I need you to say? It was like, how can I sit here
• 53:42
  in front of you and, and be completely naked in a certain
• 53:46
  way so that you feel like you can share yourself with me?
• 53:51
  And it's from that that we're going to be able to tell the
• 53:53
  best story. And that was my experience.
• 53:56
  It was just doing that time and time again throughout this
• 53:59
  process. It's a, it's a long story.
• 54:02
  It's a long journey. That film took us six years to
• 54:05
  make. Ultimately, we did a short
• 54:06
  version that came out on television that helped to to get
• 54:13
  him out of the Philippines. He was half Spanish, half
• 54:16
  Filipino. So we brought it to Spain and we
• 54:18
  did something that was very targeted to a Spanish market.
• 54:21
  Their politicians got involved. They went and petitioned and it
• 54:25
  helped to get the death penalty abolished there.
• 54:27
  You know, we partnered with Amnesty International and the
• 54:29
  Innocence Project and all of these groups.
• 54:32
  And then we went on to make an, a film that premiered at Tribeca
• 54:36
  and it really showed the whole world that this guy was
• 54:38
  innocent. So while he, after he was
• 54:40
  transferred to Spain, ultimately he gained more and more freedom,
• 54:46
  you know, because they, they believed that he was innocent.
• 54:48
  And I know you're, you know, one of the things I love about you
• 54:51
  is you're so deeply humble that I do want to pull this out of
• 54:58
  you. The film did really well.
• 54:59
  Let's first of all the name of the film.
• 55:02
  It's called Give Up Tomorrow. Yeah.
• 55:05
  And yeah, I mean, at Tribeca, we won two top prizes.
• 55:07
  We got the audience award. I got a best new director prize.
• 55:10
  And that film played all over the world.
• 55:13
  It was kind of a festival darling, and it won audience
• 55:15
  awards all over the world and other things.
• 55:17
  And it was nominated for an Emmy.
• 55:18
  So it was it, and I'm not just saying this to sound humble, but
• 55:24
  it's, I mean, these are every single one of these projects is
• 55:27
  a community effort. It's the result of so many
• 55:30
  people showing up. But yeah, you have to show up at
• 55:32
  the center of it too, and kind of hold that intention.
• 55:38
  But I find with every film that I've been a part of, when you
• 55:43
  say this is our goal, this is what we're going to do, it gives
• 55:46
  people the opportunity to join you and be of service in some
• 55:50
  way. It gives people an opportunity
• 55:51
  to be their best selves. And I feel like that's when
• 55:54
  we're aligned towards a common goal.
• 55:57
  You just see the best in people, and documentary filmmaking and
• 56:01
  production has that built right into it, you know?
• 56:06
  And while it's hard and we're not sleeping much and we might
• 56:09
  be out before dawn trying to catch this shot and do this and
• 56:13
  sneaking cameras into a maximum security prison and running from
• 56:17
  drug Lords and all the different things, you just know that it's
• 56:21
  exactly what you're supposed to be doing at that moment.
• 56:24
  And there's that. And I'm grateful for that.
• 56:27
  I'm grateful to Paco, who was this young man who we were
• 56:30
  making the film about because I feel like he gave me that gift
• 56:38
  to see what what was my Dharma? What is it that I'm doing here?
• 56:41
  Am I meant to be in New York City making a lot of money for
• 56:44
  these other guys at this communications company?
• 56:48
  No, you know, it was like I got to be of service to create art,
• 56:53
  to build community to, you know, and just to be on this journey
• 56:58
  where to this day it's like I just can't believe how lucky I
• 57:03
  am to be doing what I'm doing. To be of service, you know,
• 57:07
  that's the whole point of the human project is to be of
• 57:11
  selfless service to each other, to ultimately allow each other
• 57:16
  to allow love, to conquer our own fears, to manifest love in
• 57:21
  each other. To walk, to walk, walk the way,
• 57:24
  you know, walk with the Dow, however you want to look at it.
• 57:28
  That that's why we're here. I agree.
• 57:31
  And it's, and it's beautiful seeing your heart that way
• 57:34
  because I do have to pull it out of you.
• 57:38
  And, and I, I want to reframe it.
• 57:42
  It's, it's different than humility.
• 57:44
  It's actually because you're so deeply service and purpose
• 57:48
  oriented with it that to you that's the reward, not the
• 57:55
  success that comes with it. Yeah.
• 57:58
  The two, the 2 are so intertwined though, because
• 58:01
  people can see that, you know, that's, that's the beauty of a
• 58:04
  documentary is they can feel, they can feel it.
• 58:07
  You know, we could feel that last night in this room.
• 58:10
  Well, I appreciate that, yeah. And and I equate the success of
• 58:14
  these. That just means more that
• 58:19
  whatever this issue is that we're trying to get out in the
• 58:21
  world, it's going to be have more visibility, it's going to
• 58:23
  have more impact. Success equals impact.
• 58:25
  So and you have to say it sometimes you're like, yeah, it
• 58:28
  was nominated for this and this and this.
• 58:30
  But and that allows you to do the next thing and and it just
• 58:34
  brings more attention to it. But you know, you said something
• 58:38
  earlier that resonated with me a lot about being able to get
• 58:43
  quiet to listen, right? Because if we're just stuck in
• 58:46
  our head and what we think we should be doing or shouldn't be
• 58:49
  doing or planning or regretting, we're not hearing what's going
• 58:52
  on. And I think that's one of the
• 58:53
  greatest lessons that I've gotten by making these films
• 58:58
  coupled with my meditation practice is like I realize I
• 59:02
  have it's I have no control of what's going to happen.
• 59:05
  I don't know what's going to happen with this intuition film.
• 59:07
  Is it going to go to some big festival?
• 59:09
  Is it going to go where is it going to land?
• 59:11
  I have no idea. But I just need to be able to
• 59:13
  show up every day 100% and recommit to making it and then
• 59:19
  listen to where it wants to go. Listen to what's needed next.
• 59:23
  Listen to my friend who says they come out to Austin and, you
• 59:27
  know, spend a couple of days with me and meet people or
• 59:30
  whatever it is and be able to move towards that.
• 59:35
  I'm so glad you answered the call.
• 59:37
  Yeah. This has been such a beautiful
• 59:39
  trip together. Yeah.
• 59:41
  You know, I know you're a fan of Rick Rubin and you know, last
• 59:44
  night over the dinner here, we're talking about the creative
• 59:47
  act and, and the the reason I bring that up is that you've
• 59:52
  been talking about that the universe wants you to make
• 59:55
  intuition. Tell tell me about that.
• 59:58
  You can. Feel it?
• 59:59
  Yeah, I think that's it. I think that's part of making
• 1:00:04
  space to get still you can hear, you know, what's what your next
• 1:00:10
  move is supposed to be. And I think especially for
• 1:00:11
  creative people, I would say that we're all creative.
• 1:00:14
  Rick Rubin makes that point in The Creative Act, really makes
• 1:00:17
  the point that they're there are people that are labeled as
• 1:00:21
  creatives, but everybody has innate ability to create.
• 1:00:25
  I agree with that 100%. That's been my experience.
• 1:00:28
  I think that, you know, when I was talking, one thing that I've
• 1:00:32
  noticed with all these kids who are doing these intuition
• 1:00:34
  practices, the number one thing I would say across the board is
• 1:00:37
  their creativity just surfaces and goes through the roof.
• 1:00:43
  Parents were like, Oh, my kid was much more of a scientist and
• 1:00:47
  into this and, and more on the other side of the brain and
• 1:00:49
  suddenly they're playing with the piano or whatever.
• 1:00:52
  And it's not to say that being a mathematician is not creative
• 1:00:54
  because 100% is, but they're just seeing that their need for
• 1:00:59
  creative expression is just, it's something that they make
• 1:01:03
  space for. They just can't help themselves.
• 1:01:06
  So, you know, in my own life, I, I've just, I've known since I
• 1:01:10
  was very young. That's like oxygen for me.
• 1:01:13
  And I think that's why I was suffocating so much when I, I
• 1:01:16
  got out of art school and I went into New York City and from the
• 1:01:18
  surface I looked, I was in the marketing department at like
• 1:01:22
  Bear Stearns for a little while. Of course, I was making creative
• 1:01:24
  things. And then I moved to much more
• 1:01:26
  creative position at a smaller, more boutique company where I
• 1:01:31
  was an art director and out of animation and doing all kinds of
• 1:01:34
  different things. But still, it was so driven by
• 1:01:40
  corporate kind of greed, if I'm being honest.
• 1:01:45
  And it was just a part of me that was just suffocating.
• 1:01:49
  So I think the quieter I get, the more I make space for that
• 1:01:54
  and the more just the same way that I guess we make space to
• 1:01:59
  take care of different aspects of our our life and ourself.
• 1:02:02
  Like I, I try to hold sacred a little bit of time for creative
• 1:02:06
  play in my life. You know, it's been a lot more
• 1:02:09
  time painting and writing now that stuff that no one may ever
• 1:02:13
  see. But for me, sometimes it's the
• 1:02:15
  most joyful part of my day and it just changes everything
• 1:02:19
  throughout the rest of the day. But I, I don't know, I like
• 1:02:24
  that. You know, if you think about
• 1:02:25
  this organization, we started this kind of thread by talking
• 1:02:28
  about the art of living. And Sri Sri Ravi Shankar
• 1:02:31
  Gurudev, that's the way that he sees it, like living is an art.
• 1:02:36
  We are creative beings, you know, and this life is a play.
• 1:02:44
  And are we the director? Are we the main actor?
• 1:02:48
  Are we both? Who knows?
• 1:02:51
  But it is an element of play. And everything that we do, we're
• 1:02:54
  creating. We're Co creating.
• 1:02:57
  And to ignore that I think leads to, for me, it led to, yeah, you
• 1:03:03
  know, addictive behavior and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:03:06
  You know, I was drinking a lot, doing a lot of things that
• 1:03:10
  weren't actually nurturing my creativity, right?
• 1:03:14
  You know, over the years, I never tried to, I never said I'm
• 1:03:16
  going to give up drinking or recreational drugs or all
• 1:03:19
  smoking or all, all the other things that I did in excess.
• 1:03:23
  They all just naturally fell away.
• 1:03:25
  And I just feel so much more myself.
• 1:03:26
  I feel like there's so much more space to be creative, to be
• 1:03:30
  connected, to be of service. And, and at this point in my
• 1:03:36
  life, it's it's effortless. Like to a certain degree.
• 1:03:40
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I found the same thing
• 1:03:42
  as I've walked more and more of a path of service to humanity
• 1:03:47
  and spirituality, which is different than religious dogma,
• 1:03:52
  and I've covered that a lot on this podcast.
• 1:03:56
  I noticed that the bad habits have just fallen away.
• 1:04:00
  I get sick almost never. I stopped drinking alcohol.
• 1:04:06
  I, I've been a vegetarian for about 15 years now and I just
• 1:04:11
  feel great. You know, my biomarkers at age
• 1:04:14
  53 are better than they were at age 40.
• 1:04:17
  And I just feel alive. You know, I feel happy now.
• 1:04:21
  Of course I get stressed. Without a doubt.
• 1:04:24
  I will tell you, you know, before that meditation yesterday
• 1:04:28
  I was in AI was in a state of stress because right now I'm on
• 1:04:33
  the clock for, you know, my book Love Conquers Fear with the
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  subtitle Humanity, AI and the age of abundance for all.
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  And I'm on a writing deadline. And so, you know, after, after
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  you fly out and after I have this really important meeting
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  with, with one of my best friends in Dallas on Sunday, my
• 1:04:56
  next week is just boom. Just like I'm just going to lock
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  myself in a room and be writing, writing, writing because because
• 1:05:02
  I've really got to get that done.
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  And I really want to get it done.
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  I'm writing with it with a lot of love.
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  I'm pouring a lot of my heart into it, you know?
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  So I'm, I don't want to make myself sound like I'm superhuman
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  because I'm not. But when you walk that path, you
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  just have such a different level of energy.
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  And I, I just, yeah. I mean, a huge part of the
• 1:05:26
  reason why I'm doing this podcast, maybe the reason I'm
• 1:05:29
  doing this podcast, you know, I'm self funding it.
• 1:05:32
  There's no ads or anything is just to help humanity have a
• 1:05:36
  heart shift. That's that's what I think is
• 1:05:39
  required for us to make it to this beautiful age.
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  Whether you look at it mystically or metaphorically,
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  this heaven and earth merging. I mean, you know, it, it's just
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  imagine if, if a country like Chad, you know, which has a GDP
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  of $660 per person, could have the type of abundance we have in
• 1:06:02
  America and what that would do to the world.
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  Like if Chad had that kind of abundance, we'd have abundance
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  everywhere. And I think that we're in this
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  time where that's upon us. But we, we have to choose it,
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  you know, we have to grasp at it.
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  And it's interesting when you say, you know, in a way, these
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  life choices that you've made that, you know, seems to have
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  made you your best self, where you're now moving so much from
• 1:06:24
  the heart, so much in service. You could also say that that's
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  intuition. You know, you let go of these
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  things because they weren't serving you.
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  And it's not like, you know, you go to go back to grade dev.
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  I've heard him say once, you know, when you're a kid, you
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  want ice cream all the time. It's the most important thing.
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  And you'd have it every day if someone would give it to you or
• 1:06:43
  you want to be right by your mother, like kind of tugging on
• 1:06:45
  her skirt. As you get older, you let go of
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  these things. It's not a conscious effort, but
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  now it's just you're, you just know.
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  There's just this inner knowing that's like, I am not, this is
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  not serving me anymore. So we're able to let go of all
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  of these other things and be ourselves.
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  And I think when we are our best selves, we're automatically
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  moving from the heart. We're automatically moving in
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  service and in creativity. Yeah, well, fear is for sure a
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  contractor, and love is an opener.
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  And, you know, Jason Cart made a really good point at the dinner
• 1:07:20
  last night where he said it's very hard to tap into your
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  intuition if you're just in a constant state of stress and
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  fear. And then, you know, that can
• 1:07:30
  just be such a downward spiral where it's not just that, it's
• 1:07:34
  that you're in pain. You know, you're suffering and
• 1:07:37
  so alcohol use goes up, you know, you start binging, you
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  know, a bunch of meaningless TV and just on and on and on.
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  And there's just no end to that. It's it's very hard to kind of
• 1:07:47
  break out of that cycle. Right.
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  And I think that's why, yeah, we call it a practice.
• 1:07:52
  Like if you have a practice, there is an element of
• 1:07:55
  discipline. But the same way that we brush
• 1:07:57
  our teeth every day for sort of dental hygiene, once you start
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  to feel the benefits of it, it's no longer like this thing that
• 1:08:04
  you're fighting to do. Like, I know you exercise almost
• 1:08:07
  every single day and you enjoy it, right, Because you feel the
• 1:08:10
  benefits. Yeah.
• 1:08:10
  We're some doing that together. You get to see my routine.
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  Right. And I think it's the same with
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  things that enhance your intuition and your state of
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  mind. Like you're saying, if you start
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  and if you're just binge drinking and watching all this
• 1:08:22
  mindless stuff, your, your energy is going down and you can
• 1:08:27
  say your prana is moving from the top is from high to low as
• 1:08:30
  opposed to low to high. And there's a contraction that
• 1:08:33
  happens there. And that's what it's all about.
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  It's like, how do we just keep on moving it up?
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  So you, you make a little discipline, you do it a little
• 1:08:42
  bit every day. And then it becomes your nature,
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  you know, And then when you don't do it, you're like, why do
• 1:08:48
  I feel a little bit foggy this afternoon?
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  Oh, I didn't do my practice this morning.
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  And it just becomes more and more simple.
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  Yeah, yeah. And also, you know, I think
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  everyone also has access to their intuition.
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  That's another question that comes up a lot.
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  I think when you make time to do that stuff and it's like, why is
• 1:09:04
  it for kids, Just for kids, You know, you were saying how Jason
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  says when it's a stressor, you don't have access to your
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  intuition. 100% That's right. These kids are getting a
• 1:09:15
  practice that's very simple. They do it on like an app on
• 1:09:18
  their phone every day. The young ones for like 7
• 1:09:21
  minutes, the old kids probably closer to 20 minutes, and it's
• 1:09:24
  just that it's just getting the stress out of their nervous
• 1:09:28
  system. The more you're in that space,
• 1:09:31
  the more intuitive you are, and that goes for absolutely
• 1:09:34
  everyone. Yeah, yeah, I think that's the
• 1:09:36
  that's the genius part for this modern age of this Art of Living
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  program is that it's very time efficient is people.
• 1:09:47
  There's this false belief about people that walk a spiritual
• 1:09:52
  path that you have to give up capitalism and you have to give
• 1:09:56
  up all these things you're good at.
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  And you know, I even saw it with Vedanta in India.
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  So, so with, with, with Vedanta, I was hanging out with some
• 1:10:06
  white PO friends. You know, I'm in young
• 1:10:08
  president's organization. I've been in it for 16 years and
• 1:10:11
  it's a huge worldwide organization of, of CE OS
• 1:10:14
  essentially. And they were like, oh, you're
• 1:10:18
  studying Vedanta. Like what are you going to go up
• 1:10:21
  to the top of the Himalayas and just like meditate, etcetera.
• 1:10:24
  And that's how you're going to live your life.
• 1:10:26
  And, and I said, no, you don't get it.
• 1:10:28
  Like if you visit a place where there were people there that
• 1:10:33
  live in the Vedanta Academy, which is where I went to study
• 1:10:39
  and they're, they're there. That means that their natural
• 1:10:42
  calling is to be a teacher. That's why they're there.
• 1:10:46
  My natural calling is to be a creator and business and it'll
• 1:10:51
  make me better at that. So you know, you're you're,
• 1:10:57
  you're under a false assumption because you're seeing, you know,
• 1:11:00
  the structure and saying, Oh, I don't want to be like that
• 1:11:04
  because it's not your core nature.
• 1:11:07
  And you know, people assume that walking a spiritual path is 1
• 1:11:12
  where you know you're going to be spending all of your time.
• 1:11:15
  You're doing that. And the reality is you can get
• 1:11:18
  recentered in a very time efficient type of way.
• 1:11:23
  I mean, just the breathing exercises you were taking us
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  through yesterday, that was 12 minutes.
• 1:11:28
  Yeah. And I, you know, again, to bring
• 1:11:31
  up Gurudev, the reason why he calls it the art of living, he's
• 1:11:33
  like, you need to be living in the world.
• 1:11:35
  He's like, this isn't the art of going and hiding in a cave in
• 1:11:38
  the Himalayas. No, you do these practices, you
• 1:11:43
  become you, you de stress yourself, become your best self.
• 1:11:47
  He's like you're needed in the world.
• 1:11:49
  He's like whatever you do, you do it 100%.
• 1:11:52
  And maybe you're a student or a doctor or a homemaker, whatever
• 1:11:57
  it is, you do it 100%. You know when you have these
• 1:12:01
  practices that are practical, that fit into your daily life to
• 1:12:04
  de stress. And that's what it's all about.
• 1:12:07
  It's not about, yeah, you have to put, you know, adopt robes
• 1:12:11
  and grow a beard and do all that certain people will.
• 1:12:14
  That's some people's calling. And they'll be the teachers.
• 1:12:17
  And they're really just there to reflect, you know, certain
• 1:12:21
  aspects of your own potential. That's all.
• 1:12:24
  But it's the whole thing is about, and my experience, it's
• 1:12:29
  about being in the world. And, you know, there are
• 1:12:33
  practices. Yeah, you could.
• 1:12:34
  You can go, you know, on some of these retreats, which I've heard
• 1:12:38
  about, where for 10 days you're just in complete silence and
• 1:12:42
  you're just diving straight into the deep end and then meditating
• 1:12:44
  twice a day for an hour each. And for some of us, that's not
• 1:12:48
  so practical. And my experience is you can
• 1:12:51
  have really, really deep, profound experiences through
• 1:12:57
  techniques that are that fit into modern life much better.
• 1:13:03
  It's a really important point to emphasize because because again,
• 1:13:06
  people have a very false assumption without even
• 1:13:10
  investigating it to know that that's possible.
• 1:13:13
  And and the amazing thing about these schools is again, they're,
• 1:13:17
  they're, they're, they're going global.
• 1:13:19
  I mean, you know, your, your, your segment.
• 1:13:22
  I think it's already that occurred in all 60 countries.
• 1:13:25
  Is that right? And that's it's gone up since we
• 1:13:28
  made that. Yeah.
• 1:13:28
  That this intuition program is in I don't know how many
• 1:13:31
  countries now. And the number of kids and just
• 1:13:34
  all of the other programs for adults, too.
• 1:13:37
  It's all over the world, Yeah. So we've kind of we've kind of I
• 1:13:40
  think addressed this, but I want to ask you what, what do you
• 1:13:45
  think this reality is that we're in right now?
• 1:13:48
  You know, how do you even how do you, how do you think about the
• 1:13:52
  world that we're in and the reality, you know, the veil that
• 1:13:57
  we, we are, we are under right now?
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  I guess at this point I've had enough experiences where I think
• 1:14:04
  that veil has gotten very thin and sometimes been pulled back
• 1:14:07
  at certain moments. And so I think what we're seeing
• 1:14:14
  in this world is, you know, is a very, it's, it's only, it's a
• 1:14:20
  very small percentage of what's actually in front of us.
• 1:14:23
  And my sense, my experience is that it feels more like school.
• 1:14:31
  It feels more like we come to work out some karmic lessons
• 1:14:37
  where we come to really be our best to, to get over past
• 1:14:43
  traumas and to kind of move together towards the next level
• 1:14:48
  and, and bring as many people along with us as we can.
• 1:14:52
  I think it's a place, you know, I, I don't think that there is
• 1:14:55
  this afterlife that is just heaven that we just have this
• 1:14:58
  one life and then we go on to live forever, you know, and in
• 1:15:02
  some magical place. I feel my experiences that it's
• 1:15:07
  a little more cyclical, maybe a little more spherical that that
• 1:15:11
  we're coming back and, and ideally we're moving forward
• 1:15:17
  with lifetime after lifetime towards something that's beyond
• 1:15:21
  our comprehension in a lot of ways, you know, and that's it.
• 1:15:28
  I just feel like we're here to care for each other and the
• 1:15:34
  planet and, and to, to find peace within ourselves, to bring
• 1:15:38
  peace in the world around us and to live the most expanded kind
• 1:15:43
  of joyful life as possible. And doesn't mean that there
• 1:15:48
  aren't horrible painful things going on in the world and that
• 1:15:51
  there aren't horrible, painful things that we'll experience
• 1:15:54
  ourselves. But when you have that, I think
• 1:15:56
  it's important to have a wider perspective, you know, so that
• 1:15:59
  you don't get stuck into thinking I'm a victim that
• 1:16:02
  shouldn't be happening to me when you can start to see this
• 1:16:05
  is a part of a bigger story. My life is very small.
• 1:16:09
  This life is very small in comparison to the bigger picture
• 1:16:13
  that I can that I can't really comprehend.
• 1:16:16
  But I know that it's a part of something bigger in that helps
• 1:16:20
  me to get back to my center and and to, to move on again and to
• 1:16:24
  continue to fight against everything, you know, and not
• 1:16:31
  lose hope. I would say, you know, when you,
• 1:16:33
  you talk about this really optimistic version of the future
• 1:16:37
  and age of abundance for all, I'd like to think that that's
• 1:16:42
  our potential. That's all of our potential.
• 1:16:45
  And there's no doubt in my mind that it is.
• 1:16:47
  I mean, you know, one of the ways to think about it.
• 1:16:51
  By the way, I agree with everything you just said.
• 1:16:53
  So I don't want to just parrot it back to you because I
• 1:16:57
  completely agree. It, it, it is completely
• 1:17:02
  possible. Because if we, if you and I, you
• 1:17:05
  know, went in a time machine and went back to 1925 or 1825, you
• 1:17:10
  know, 100 years ago or 200 years ago, we would not be able to
• 1:17:14
  fathom, you know, how little abundance we had back then to
• 1:17:20
  now. I mean, it's not even, it's,
• 1:17:23
  it's, it's hard to even reconcile like what we have
• 1:17:26
  today. Like, you know, you were talking
• 1:17:29
  about on one of our hikes, just the magic of a hot shower alone.
• 1:17:33
  It's like, you know, an amazing, amazing, you know, luxury for
• 1:17:37
  humanity. The fact that we have
• 1:17:39
  electricity, you know, we've talked about, we wouldn't even
• 1:17:42
  be able to fathom like being able to go into a supermarket
• 1:17:45
  like Whole Foods and everything that's available there or Amazon
• 1:17:51
  or, you know, Uber or any of these things.
• 1:17:56
  I mean, mobile phones and time is getting very compressed right
• 1:18:02
  now. We're in an exponential curve.
• 1:18:05
  So, you know, 10 years of tech progress, that's probably going
• 1:18:09
  to feel like 100 years of technological progress.
• 1:18:13
  It is completely possible. The downside of the amazing
• 1:18:21
  inventive capability we have right now with AI is that also
• 1:18:27
  every technology can be used for bad too.
• 1:18:29
  It's all up to us in terms of how we use it.
• 1:18:33
  So it also will have great destructive potential as well.
• 1:18:37
  And it's all about us making the right choices with it.
• 1:18:41
  And that's that's where you and I are, are totally aligned on
• 1:18:46
  team humanity. You're doing your part to help
• 1:18:49
  humanity have a heart shift with intuition and your work.
• 1:18:53
  I'm doing this podcast and the businesses I've started and the
• 1:18:57
  businesses that I will start and the books I'm writing.
• 1:19:00
  You know, the Lattice, my science fiction novella, is a
• 1:19:05
  positive vision of how humanity could make it, how humanity
• 1:19:09
  could unite. Realize that, realize what our
• 1:19:12
  reality is. If, if we could prove to
• 1:19:15
  everybody what our reality actually is, which I think will
• 1:19:19
  happen because this technology acceleration, then humanity
• 1:19:26
  would see, oh, wow, there is this world of light and love and
• 1:19:30
  the beyond. And our actual reality isn't
• 1:19:33
  this cold, dark, you know, lifeless universe.
• 1:19:36
  It's full of energy. And we're energy, you know,
• 1:19:40
  we're souls having this physical experience and we're deeply,
• 1:19:44
  deeply rooted in love. But then we're just under
• 1:19:47
  assault in this world of form, just this constant barrage.
• 1:19:51
  And you want us to be need to be like Neo in the matrix and just
• 1:19:54
  stop the bullets. And one of the things I love
• 1:19:57
  about your work is that focusing on young people, this this next
• 1:20:04
  generation, you know, their alcohol use is plummeting, their
• 1:20:08
  social media use is going down. They are.
• 1:20:12
  They're just kind of like, no, I don't want the world that.
• 1:20:15
  I, I, I don't want, I want the best parts of the world that,
• 1:20:19
  you know, my predecessors have created, but I don't want this
• 1:20:22
  manipulation machine. And humanity, I think will
• 1:20:26
  increasingly make that choice, realize that putting profit over
• 1:20:31
  people is not, is not sustainable.
• 1:20:34
  It's leading to a lot of suffering and it's just, it's
• 1:20:39
  just not, people are not going to feel good for working for
• 1:20:42
  companies like that. I mean, just like you left the
• 1:20:45
  job to do this, you know, the next generation, you're not
• 1:20:50
  going to be able to hire them. If you're saying, well, let's
• 1:20:53
  let's just put everybody in an algorithmic manipulation machine
• 1:20:56
  and try to get just keep them, you know, almost stimulated in
• 1:21:02
  this fear response all the time because then we can just sell
• 1:21:05
  ads and ads and ads. I just, I just think, I think
• 1:21:09
  this next generation is going to be like, no, I'm not going to
• 1:21:11
  take that. So that gives me great, great
• 1:21:14
  hope. If you really look at the data,
• 1:21:16
  the stats are there. I agree.
• 1:21:18
  I agree 100%. And I think as you know, we're
• 1:21:22
  also nurturing our own consciousness and our capacity
• 1:21:28
  to tap into that source. The more that that's normalized
• 1:21:32
  and shared and grows, that's going to, if that's rising at
• 1:21:38
  the same time as our technology is advancing, I think it'll be a
• 1:21:41
  counterbalance. You know, good dev is
• 1:21:45
  establishing something he calls the Institute for absolute
• 1:21:48
  Intelligence, which this intuition process is going to be
• 1:21:51
  housed in and there's going to be a lot of research that
• 1:21:54
  they're kind of aggregating there with some of the top
• 1:21:56
  universities. Absolute intelligence, AI.
• 1:21:59
  Exactly. So it's a play on words because
• 1:22:01
  what he always says is like, don't be afraid of the
• 1:22:04
  technology. He's like the, you know, the,
• 1:22:07
  the artificial intelligence is taking everything that's in the
• 1:22:12
  material world in in a sense, and he's like, you have access
• 1:22:15
  to something so much deeper. All of us, we have access to the
• 1:22:20
  source. He's like, all of us are like
• 1:22:23
  these, you know, cell phones that have the ability to turn
• 1:22:25
  the Wi-Fi on that can connect to everything.
• 1:22:29
  And he's like in we have those experiences, how can we do that
• 1:22:34
  more and more and more and then you start to fear the technology
• 1:22:39
  less, you know, and even just to go back to creativity, we've we
• 1:22:45
  were talking about that earlier. I don't think that it's going to
• 1:22:48
  replace so many different aspects of us.
• 1:22:50
  I do think that there's something so human about the
• 1:22:53
  ACT, but the creative act that can never be replaced by AII
• 1:23:00
  think it can mimic things. But I think that there's
• 1:23:04
  something from our soul that gets imprinted and great works
• 1:23:08
  of art that we really are, in a way, downloading that we're
• 1:23:12
  listening for and we're showing up to and like getting out there
• 1:23:16
  in the world, whether it's a painting or writing or a film or
• 1:23:19
  music or whatever it is, you can tell when you listen to it, you
• 1:23:23
  know? And I think we assume it you
• 1:23:25
  can. Feel the love.
• 1:23:26
  You can feel it. You know, I had this experience
• 1:23:30
  when I was super, when I was young and I was in Paris and I
• 1:23:34
  got this museum pass and I was studying art at the time.
• 1:23:37
  And I was not big into the the, you know, the classic artist and
• 1:23:41
  the Impressionist. But I ended up somehow standing
• 1:23:44
  in front of Monet's water lilies that he had painted and into the
• 1:23:48
  the walls of this specific museum in town.
• 1:23:51
  And I just started weeping. And I was like, that wasn't me.
• 1:23:54
  I wasn't someone who would go stand in front of an
• 1:23:56
  impressionist painting and cry, had no idea what was going on.
• 1:24:00
  And many, many years later, actually only just about a year
• 1:24:03
  or two ago, someone told me, oh, he painted those because his
• 1:24:07
  wife loved them so much and she had passed and his son who had
• 1:24:11
  passed and all of this, like it was in a way it was for them.
• 1:24:16
  And it was him dealing with his own grief and sharing his love
• 1:24:19
  with them. And so I feel like there's
• 1:24:21
  communication that happens on such subtle levels across space
• 1:24:25
  and time that we can never really explain from the rational
• 1:24:29
  mind. But when we're present, we can
• 1:24:32
  experience. And it's.
• 1:24:35
  Yeah, no technology can ever take that away from us.
• 1:24:38
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. Have you ever been to the
• 1:24:41
  Sagrada de Familia? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:43
  Oh my gosh. That's a place where it moved me
• 1:24:45
  to tears. Just it's the awe and wonder of
• 1:24:48
  that place is amazing. Must a must do for people in
• 1:24:53
  their lifetime, you know, Speaking of absolute
• 1:24:57
  intelligence, you know, in in the film, the children sometimes
• 1:25:02
  are just downloading an entire new language to speak as well.
• 1:25:06
  Yeah. What?
• 1:25:07
  What's the most amazing example you've seen of that?
• 1:25:11
  You know, I've, I've been there and these a lot of times they'll
• 1:25:18
  just come as shapes and symbols and the kids will have no idea
• 1:25:22
  what it is, you know, So as far as the language stuff, I've seen
• 1:25:26
  it and I've seen it written a number of times from a couple of
• 1:25:28
  different kids. And they'll have to send it off
• 1:25:32
  and like they'll do like Google searches that can't even find it
• 1:25:35
  and it'll come back some months later.
• 1:25:37
  Someone be like, oh, that was a ancient Chinese script that
• 1:25:40
  hasn't been used for 500 years. Like, you know, and some of it
• 1:25:44
  is much more recent and some of it's a different language.
• 1:25:47
  And they'll be these beautiful more, you know, benevolent
• 1:25:51
  messages that are coming through just like more like blessings or
• 1:25:55
  scripture or something like that.
• 1:25:57
  Just advice or things like that. But it's really wild.
• 1:26:00
  I'm now seeing. It's been about a year or more
• 1:26:03
  since Benjamin and I have been to India.
• 1:26:07
  They've now gone to do to do intuition Process 2, which is
• 1:26:10
  more advanced, and they're doing all kinds of new stuff.
• 1:26:13
  So now instead of teaching the kids to see things in front of
• 1:26:16
  them, they're teaching them behind their head.
• 1:26:18
  They're doing more of the telekinesis practice.
• 1:26:20
  They're doing all kinds of stuff.
• 1:26:21
  So I'm curious, I'm going back to India in February and I'm
• 1:26:27
  just curious to see what is happening now that I didn't see
• 1:26:31
  before. Think it's thinking about this
• 1:26:33
  AI moment, you know, and being in the quote UN quote, you know,
• 1:26:39
  creative field, right, because again, we're all creative, but
• 1:26:43
  you certainly would fit the classical definition of a
• 1:26:46
  creative. How do you, how do you think
• 1:26:49
  about this, this moment with regards to, you know, this, this
• 1:26:55
  fear in Hollywood about, you know, is just everything going
• 1:26:59
  to be made by AI now? You know, things like Sora, you
• 1:27:02
  know, Open AI Sora and, and you know, Google's VO3 and you know,
• 1:27:08
  do you think, do you, what do you think about all that?
• 1:27:10
  I think it's something that we have to pay attention to.
• 1:27:12
  I think it's something that the different guilds are are doing
• 1:27:16
  their best to stay in front of and to get, you know,
• 1:27:19
  regulations in place that aren't going to remove the human
• 1:27:22
  element. Like I was just saying before, I
• 1:27:24
  think that our need for art to be coming from a very human
• 1:27:29
  place. I think it's like, in a way,
• 1:27:33
  it's like our densest form of communication that that we're
• 1:27:37
  our heart is always going to long for.
• 1:27:38
  So anything that starts to mute that I think that there is going
• 1:27:41
  to be some correction to it for, for me right now, you know,
• 1:27:47
  Benjamin, who I'm making the film with is has his eye a
• 1:27:51
  little bit more on that space. Like he tracks all of that stuff
• 1:27:54
  and he's helping me understand ways that we can use it to help
• 1:27:59
  streamline some of our processes just to to for efficiency,
• 1:28:03
  right? So I think for that, you know,
• 1:28:05
  coming from a field that's underfunded, like notoriously
• 1:28:11
  where we're always struggling, where we're wearing too many
• 1:28:13
  hats, I'm always thinking, how can I get into my whatever, you
• 1:28:18
  know, I might perceive as my, my zone of creativity or genius or
• 1:28:22
  whatever. How can I get into that space
• 1:28:25
  the quickest? Because then I'm going to make
• 1:28:26
  the work the work that's the most effective in the world.
• 1:28:29
  And if I'm typing out transcripts and I'm searching
• 1:28:32
  through notebooks and doing all this kind of stuff.
• 1:28:34
  But if we can create, you know, a companion that's taking all of
• 1:28:39
  our transcripts that I can then interact with and it's like,
• 1:28:42
  here are the five times that so and so said this thing and
• 1:28:45
  here's the time code. And so just I think more
• 1:28:49
  efficiency to me allows for more creativity.
• 1:28:53
  So I'm all for these tools when so far, you know, I mean, and
• 1:28:57
  like you said, these changes are happening like on such an
• 1:29:00
  exponential curve that who knows what it's going to be like 6
• 1:29:03
  months from now, a year from now.
• 1:29:05
  But the way that I'm welcoming it into my life is when it has
• 1:29:08
  to do with efficiency, when it has to do with things that I
• 1:29:10
  couldn't afford anyway. So if it's going to take me 3
• 1:29:14
  years to get out, get through this edit as opposed to 1
• 1:29:17
  because I'm able to use some of these tools and it's not because
• 1:29:20
  I'm cutting out people who I would pay otherwise.
• 1:29:23
  I don't have them. We don't have the resources
• 1:29:25
  anyway. It just means I'm going to be
• 1:29:27
  taking jobs in between and doing all this other stuff.
• 1:29:31
  When it comes to making creative decisions or looking at it to
• 1:29:36
  make creative choices, that's when my stomach turns.
• 1:29:40
  You know, I find even in the edit.
• 1:29:42
  So if I'm just there, one of my favorite things to do after we
• 1:29:45
  shoot hundreds of hours of footage is just sit with it for
• 1:29:48
  days and days and get really quiet.
• 1:29:50
  And sometimes I'll play music that I feel like has to go, you
• 1:29:53
  know, that kind of might go along with it.
• 1:29:55
  And I'll just kind of do what you said earlier.
• 1:29:57
  I just listen to it, I play it, I start to pull, this is good,
• 1:30:00
  this is better, this is better. I start to pull selects from it.
• 1:30:04
  And I think that there is a communication that's happening
• 1:30:07
  there. There's a signal that comes
• 1:30:08
  through there that I always want to be present for.
• 1:30:11
  I don't want to outsource that. I don't want to ask some AI bot
• 1:30:17
  to like tell me what's what are the best shots that I have or
• 1:30:20
  any of that stuff because part of my process is reingesting
• 1:30:24
  those into my system, right? That's the writing process for
• 1:30:28
  me when you're in the edit room. But the beautiful thing is, you
• 1:30:31
  can get to that creative work much faster if the kind of wrote
• 1:30:39
  manual labor work is more taken care of.
• 1:30:42
  Exactly. Which is, which is great.
• 1:30:44
  I mean that that's the way I look at this moment is the
• 1:30:47
  barrier to creativity is being shattered.
• 1:30:50
  Yes, The the other thing is that there are people that are not at
• 1:30:54
  all as experienced as you are at, you know, doing the camera
• 1:30:59
  shots and everything else and they can prototype at least an
• 1:31:03
  idea. And, you know, I one of one of
• 1:31:07
  the people that went with us to the Grand Canyon, he is a pretty
• 1:31:11
  famous TV writer and I spent a lot of time talking with him
• 1:31:16
  and, and at the beginning of our trip, he was pretty dystopian
• 1:31:20
  actually about that, you know, about the AI could take take it
• 1:31:25
  all. And then by the end, I learned a
• 1:31:29
  lot about what it takes to make ATV show or a movie.
• 1:31:35
  And he said, you know, one of the big problems is that you
• 1:31:39
  have a budget and you can have your ideas for the types of
• 1:31:44
  shots that you're limited to that budget.
• 1:31:47
  And so if it doesn't work, like you've kind of blown the budget,
• 1:31:52
  right. And at the end, he, he turned
• 1:31:56
  really optimistic with me. I, I, you know, it wasn't like I
• 1:32:00
  was making it my mission to turn him into an optimist.
• 1:32:03
  I was just trying to educate him on, on it.
• 1:32:08
  And he really, by the end he was like, oh, wow.
• 1:32:10
  Like, yeah, you could test out like so many different types of
• 1:32:14
  camera shots and concepts, you know, prototype them to make a
• 1:32:19
  much better product when you actually went to do the shots
• 1:32:23
  themselves. And I think that's super
• 1:32:27
  exciting. And that that really makes me
• 1:32:29
  think that we're going to have a future of much better
• 1:32:35
  educational entertainment as well as just plain entertainment
• 1:32:39
  when it comes to watching documentaries, movies, TV shows.
• 1:32:45
  And we're going to have a lot more of it too, because the
• 1:32:50
  efficiency is going to go way up.
• 1:32:52
  You know, the a lot of the like, if if we could have the creative
• 1:32:56
  act, you know, the channel Rick Rubin for a second, if we could
• 1:33:00
  have that happen a lot more, great.
• 1:33:04
  And and I agree with you. You know, it needs to, the
• 1:33:07
  deeply, deeply creative part of it needs to come, as Rick Rubin
• 1:33:11
  would say, as a download, right? And then to be acted on that the
• 1:33:16
  companion piece of AI to make you more efficient where you can
• 1:33:19
  get to that creative act over and over again.
• 1:33:23
  I think it's really going to be beautiful.
• 1:33:25
  Technology, in my experience, you know, over these past
• 1:33:29
  whatever 25 years, it democratizes like certain
• 1:33:32
  things, you know, as like an independent filmmaker, I'm able
• 1:33:36
  to do things that doesn't require a millions of dollar
• 1:33:39
  budget, right? Like technology has made I can
• 1:33:43
  edit on my laptop A4K film while I'm sitting on a plane, you
• 1:33:49
  know, it's like things, yeah. So I'm all for it.
• 1:33:53
  And I think as these tools come U and people learn how to
• 1:33:57
  incorporate them into the palette of creativity as opposed
• 1:34:00
  to a replacement for creativity, we're going to see new
• 1:34:04
  innovations and new forms of creative expression and the
• 1:34:07
  things that are just generated by art that look familiar, that
• 1:34:13
  don't have that heart behind them.
• 1:34:14
  I think they'll exist, but I think they're going to remain in
• 1:34:18
  their place and be their own kind of thing.
• 1:34:20
  I mean, you could have a you could, you could have any one of
• 1:34:23
  these, you know, like ChatGPT write a book on any topic right
• 1:34:26
  now. And it's going to be different
• 1:34:27
  than if a person took a year of their life and wrote on the same
• 1:34:31
  topic. It's going to have a different
• 1:34:33
  quality to it and I know which one I'll I'll always gravitate
• 1:34:37
  towards. In in terms of US entering this
• 1:34:39
  age of abundance for all, how confident are you that that
• 1:34:44
  humanity makes it to that age? I think just the fact that we're
• 1:34:49
  here and we're on this journey individually, collectively means
• 1:34:55
  that it's it's our future. I'd like to be that optimistic
• 1:35:01
  and to say that that it's, it's our, it's our, I want to say
• 1:35:08
  our, our destiny. It's, it's the, it's the goal,
• 1:35:11
  it's what we're working towards. I do think that there are some
• 1:35:14
  bumpy roads ahead. I think it's happening right
• 1:35:17
  now. And I think those will continue
• 1:35:20
  to be great teachers. I think that those will continue
• 1:35:24
  to catalyze more awakening, and as long as we can maintain that
• 1:35:32
  perspective and continue to move forward, taking care of
• 1:35:39
  ourselves, taking care of each other, keeping our eyes on the
• 1:35:42
  prize, which is, you know, uplifting everyone, then I think
• 1:35:49
  it's inevitable. Given this consciousness
• 1:35:51
  awakening underway, I would actually even posit that we're
• 1:35:56
  at the earlier part of the curve and of an exponential there to
• 1:36:01
  and that technology is going to take us into that nature of what
• 1:36:06
  makes us most human. You know, this chase for
• 1:36:09
  sentients, you know, we're talking about this last night
• 1:36:12
  over dinner, this this chase to like make an AGI try to make AI
• 1:36:18
  as sentient as we are. I'm just going to take us to the
• 1:36:22
  nature of really understanding how consciousness works.
• 1:36:26
  And the reality is nobody knows how it works right now.
• 1:36:29
  You know, we can all just grasp at it.
• 1:36:32
  You know, you and I both believe, you know, we're all one
• 1:36:37
  and that we all are in this, in this reality as a part of the
• 1:36:42
  divine, as a part of source, getting all types of divine
• 1:36:45
  nudges. I think our awareness of that is
• 1:36:48
  going to accelerate too as we as we go down this path.
• 1:36:52
  But you know, as Mark Gofer would say, I know you're a big
• 1:36:55
  Mark Gofer fan. That was a beautiful moment last
• 1:36:57
  night Scene seen him give you his books, you know you'd
• 1:37:02
  already read them but giving you the signed copies you know we
• 1:37:07
  only know what 4% of the universe is even made of and
• 1:37:10
  that's observable universe. Not to mention if we live in a
• 1:37:13
  multi dimensional reality or there's parallel universes and
• 1:37:18
  that that 4% we call matter. We have no idea today what dark
• 1:37:22
  energy and dark matter is. Zero clue.
• 1:37:24
  Everything that we can observe, observe in our intellect, I
• 1:37:29
  mean, it's limited by what we can observe.
• 1:37:33
  So it's limited to that 4%. And, you know, this conversation
• 1:37:38
  about intuition, it's, it's another way of knowing that's
• 1:37:42
  beyond that, you know, and I think so that's really just
• 1:37:46
  coming back to acknowledging with humility that we can only
• 1:37:52
  know so much by experiencing the outer world through these five
• 1:37:55
  senses and that there's another way of knowing that's connected
• 1:37:59
  directly to source. And, you know, as you're saying,
• 1:38:02
  it's you. You feel like technology's going
• 1:38:04
  to help us as we move forward more and more.
• 1:38:07
  Yeah, I think perhaps that's true.
• 1:38:09
  It's going to free us up to have these experiences to turn
• 1:38:13
  inward. And I think it's all about
• 1:38:16
  having that experience yourself, where it becomes an experienced
• 1:38:19
  truth as opposed to an intellectual idea.
• 1:38:22
  Well, I love your heart, brother, and I really, really
• 1:38:24
  appreciate our friendship a lot. And I cannot wait until
• 1:38:30
  intuition is out there in the field.
• 1:38:33
  People are seeing it, you know, at movie theaters and and you
• 1:38:38
  know, whatever streaming service picks it up.
• 1:38:41
  I mean, there's, there's so many of them now.
• 1:38:44
  And you know, Deborah and I are glad to be a part of it.
• 1:38:47
  You know, we're, we're really excited to be, to be investing
• 1:38:50
  in you And, and just really, yeah, just I, I'm very, very
• 1:38:54
  honored and grateful that you and I were brought together in
• 1:38:59
  the Grand Canyon by by Arjun. And, you know, I'm going to
• 1:39:03
  start sounding like an advertisement on this.
• 1:39:04
  I say that there's no ads on the podcast, and it's true, but
• 1:39:08
  Grand Canyon Expedition Company, we should give a shout out to
• 1:39:11
  that team. You know that teamgcex.com
• 1:39:16
  people should take that trip. That was a beautiful, beautiful,
• 1:39:19
  beautiful trip together. Unbelievable.
• 1:39:21
  I mean, just one last quick story about intuition is I
• 1:39:24
  wasn't sure I was going to go on that trip.
• 1:39:26
  Arjun invited me. I didn't really know him.
• 1:39:28
  He was at Mountain Film in Telluride.
• 1:39:30
  That which I'm going to go to, yes, yes, you're on the board.
• 1:39:34
  Yeah, my favorite festival in the world.
• 1:39:37
  And I was leading a little hike, meditation and Arjun afterwards,
• 1:39:41
  you know, some sometime after inviting me on the trip.
• 1:39:43
  And I was like my knee jerk reaction was I'm so busy, I have
• 1:39:46
  so much I should be doing. I need to be working on this
• 1:39:49
  film. I can't stop for 8 days and
• 1:39:51
  unplug and I'm busy being busy and getting stuff done.
• 1:39:55
  And then I was like, all right, I, I keep on telling myself if
• 1:39:58
  I'm making a film about intuition, I have to practice
• 1:40:00
  it. And I remember where I was, I
• 1:40:01
  sat down, I was visiting my parents.
• 1:40:03
  I sat down at the dining room table and I got really quiet.
• 1:40:07
  And all of a sudden I got choked up and my whole body, it was
• 1:40:10
  just such a yes. I was like, I have to go on this
• 1:40:13
  trip where my intellect was like, I don't know these people.
• 1:40:18
  I'm going to be trapped at the bottom of a Canyon with all
• 1:40:20
  these strangers. No electricity are they might
• 1:40:23
  drive. I don't.
• 1:40:24
  Know where's the bathroom? Exactly.
• 1:40:26
  I'm like, Oh my gosh. And it was such a resounding yes
• 1:40:29
  that I was like, I just let go of all those other little
• 1:40:32
  stories in my head about why I shouldn't go.
• 1:40:34
  That's just like, Yep, I'm going, you know, I'm and
• 1:40:38
  immediately it became clear. And the fact that I'm sitting
• 1:40:41
  here today, you know, and it keeps.
• 1:40:43
  On I feel the same. Way revealing itself.
• 1:40:45
  And there was someone else from the trip who has come on to
• 1:40:49
  support the Intuition Project, which I do want to share is yes,
• 1:40:53
  it's going to be a film, potentially a series, and we're
• 1:40:57
  also doing a podcast simultaneously.
• 1:40:59
  So cool. Yeah, so that is all in the
• 1:41:01
  works. And the podcast will probably
• 1:41:03
  come out before the film because we can do that a little bit
• 1:41:05
  faster. So we'll we'll do everything we
• 1:41:07
  can to keep you posted and keep everyone in the loop.
• 1:41:11
  Awesome. Thank you for having me.
• 1:41:13
  Thank you so much. I really, really appreciate it.
• 1:41:15
  Appreciate it. Thanks everyone again for tuning
• 1:41:18
  in to Love Conkers Fear. Please keep on showing your
• 1:41:23
  love. You know, the share of the
• 1:41:24
  podcast, there are no ads. I'm self funding this.
• 1:41:29
  This is my love letter to humanity.
• 1:41:32
  And people need to hear about us needing to have this heart
• 1:41:37
  shift. And there have been so many
• 1:41:40
  amazing guests already on here that that really can help teach
• 1:41:45
  you how to do that. And so many books mention and
• 1:41:49
  there's so much more to come. I am so excited about the lineup
• 1:41:55
  and I can't wait to share those future episodes with you.
• 1:41:58
  Thanks again.