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Discernment in an age of deception · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  The people overlap with a never ending force.
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  So watch it with this call, my friend, because this is well.
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  It's time and this is why.
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  Hello and welcome to this episode of The Nurses Report here on the America Out Loud.news Network.
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  I'm today's host, Nurse David Wayne, joined per usual by nurses Nicole and Ashley.
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  Hello, Nicole, what's up?
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  Not too much, Dave.
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  How's it going?
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  It's pretty good.
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  It's pretty good.
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  Ashley, what's new in your neck of the woods?
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  Man, I'm just mad about the headlines and a little angry, spicy, feeling feeling on Ray.
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  So today's show should be good one.
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  Yeah, that is the topic for today.
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  We're gonna be looking at a bunch of different headlines relevant to nursing and to the themes that we often discuss here on the nurses' report, and we're going to do that through the lens of discernment.
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  We've mentioned a quote before by British philosopher and Professor Stafford Beer.
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  He's the one who coined the phrase the purpose of a system is what it does.
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  And that's the lens through which we view systems like the VARS system, which is supposed to be about tracking vaccine injuries, but what it actually ends up doing is obfuscating vaccine injuries because it's just so terrible.
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  That's kind of like a system that they have to track opioid prescriptions.
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  The purpose of that was to rein in the opioid pandemic.
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  But what pharma ended up doing was using that system to find specific doctors where they thought they would be able to supercharge sales of drugs like oxycottin, leading to tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of overdose deaths.
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  Another system is just the medical system in general.
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  I mean, we're sold as lie that the purpose of the medical system is to enhance and extend people's lives.
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  But what we really see is that the purpose of the system is to generate revenue for shareholders.
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  All these big companies involved in healthcare, these are corporations, and their primary function is to generate revenue, not to make people's lives better, healthier, and longer.
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  So I'm gonna try and weave that theme in as we look at some of these different headlines.
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  But the first thing I want to talk about is uh a very impulsive meetup that Amy and I had with somebody that we met online.
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  They are a podcast who talks a lot about the harms of psychiatric medications.
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  Everything you've been told about addiction is a lie.
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  There's no biological marker for you're an addict, the you're born with this statement.
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  It's probably the biggest gaslighting statement of the entire thing.
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  I would probably but it's a lie.
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  It's a lie.
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  We are your whistleblowing sharks Dr.
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  Terrellyn at Therapist Jen.
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  Terrellyn and I are deprescribing consultants.
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  What does that mean?
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  It means we can help you get off of psychiatric medication safely for the brain and for the body.
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  So if that's something that you are interested in doing, shoot us an email at the Gaslit Tree Podcast at gmail.com and we will help get you started.
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  They're a couple who walk the walk in their professional lives.
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  They have a deprescribing practices where they help people get off of psychiatric medications, but they also work really hard to spread awareness.
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  So cut from the same cloth as me, I would say, people that uh see the world in a very similar way.
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  Like when we get together, it just clicks.
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  We just like understand each other, even though we've only really known each other very, very recently.
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  And you know, in some ways it kind of reminds me of Ashley and Nicole.
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  These are people that I've never met in person, but they've become some of our most cherished and valued friendships, even though, you know, again, we have never met, but just because of all the craziness that's happened over the last few years.
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  Like when you find people that you click with, you really value those relationships.
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  And there's a flip side to that, and the flip side to that is actually quite painful.
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  It's the friendships and the relationships that we have lost.
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  I think a lot of the COVID dissidents, and certainly this has been my personal experience.
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  We have lost friendships that were very long-standing that were very deep and true for a long time because of things that happened over the course of the pandemic.
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  And for me, that started before the pandemic.
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  It started when I started to kind of have my eyes opened up about psychmeds and what they were doing to the patients that we're we were seeing every day in the hospital, and uh it's been very painful.
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  It's something I'm still processing, and you know, trying to look at things through their point of view.
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  I'm the one who's changed.
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  Like they're the they haven't changed, so they're looking at me like what happened to Dave.
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  He believes all these things that are completely different than he believed, you know, six, seven, eight years ago, and they're right about that.
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  It is me that's changed.
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  It it is not them who have changed.
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  And have you two had that experience?
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  I I feel like I know that both of you have, but I'm just gonna pause and let either of you weigh in if you're ready at this point.
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  You know, it's weird.
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  I'm not I'm not a normal female, I don't travel in a pack, uh, kind of a lone wolf.
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  And I have good friends in, you know, some of my oldest friends.
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  I have some that are totally with me.
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  I have some that are, you know, heavily vaccinated.
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  And thankfully, the important relationships I've not lost.
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  Somehow we've managed to navigate that.
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  This is not new to me, and so maybe for me, this is why I haven't lost those friendships, is because when we quit vaccinating, you know, I even stopped taking the flu vaccine before we quit vaccinating our kids.
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  And so I'm just like, take it or leave it.
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  Like this is who I am if you don't like it.
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  Like, there's the door, see you bye, no hard feelings.
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  If you decide you want to be friends, that's great, you know.
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  But I'm not gonna chase you.
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  I don't need you.
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  Like, so I feel like I'm kind of coming from a different perspective.
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  There have been, you know, some friendships that have been strained as far as professional relationships.
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  There are people who I meet and work with in certain aspects professionally, and then they find out that I'm an anti-vaxxer or whatever they want to label me as.
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  And I'm just like, I think people people have come to expect, and I'm so comfortable in where I'm at and where I stand that I'm just like, it's either gonna be a friendship or not, and that is what it is.
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  But I'm just like, it's either gonna be a friendship or not.
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  And that is what it is.
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  And so I I can't really unfortunately relate to that.
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  And so I I can't really unfortunately relate to that.
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  Nicole, you've been in the establishment system a lot more recently than Ashley, just just like I have.
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  Nicole, you've been in the establishment system a lot more recently than Ashley, just just like I have.
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  You know, we both have jobs in the establishment system still.
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  You know, we both have jobs in the establishment system still, so maybe this resonates a little more temporally for you.
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  So maybe this resonates a little more temporally for you.
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  I mean, I was very different, even though we had exposure to vaccine injuries early with my brother.
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  I mean, I was very different, even though we had exposure to vaccine injuries early with my brother.
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  And so we I knew about.
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  And so we I knew about it, but I still wasn't somebody who was what they would call anti-vax.
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  So it did really affect things when the pandemic happened, and I saw kind of exactly what was happening, and then realizing a lot of people did not agree.
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  And so just like both of you said, like it's kind of a you grieve something because it used to be a certain way, and you miss kind of that understanding that we don't always have to agree.
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  I'm really big on that.
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  Even though we do not see eye to eye, I can still coexist with people.
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  I can still make you feel seen and heard, and I feel that that's the discernment and the gift that I have when it comes to being able to read people really well.
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  Again, even if we don't see eye to eye.
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  And so that really did hit pretty hard to know that there was a lot of people who, you know, I think it started at one point with Trump.
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  They were like, can't believe you're voting for this guy, and then it's like then the pandemic, you know, and all this other stuff, and now you've changed completely your stance, and people are dying, and you know, like right now we're trying to ban the mandates.
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  And uh there's measles outbreaks that are occurring and being brought up.
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  And so people are like, you're absolutely insane, right?
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  Like, so you're wanting to ban these mandates, and it's like what kind of person are you?
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  So, you know, they come after your character, they come after your integrity, and they say a lot of things about you because they don't really know what else to say, right?
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  It's so we can agree to disagree.
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  Um, so yeah, I definitely think it's a it's an important subject to bring up because it's it's something that most of us still go through.
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  And seeing what I see in the hospital, the harm and everything that's happening with the highest amount of strokes and heart attacks we've had over the past few years and the more complex cases, like it's right in your face.
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  So it's trying to navigate and balance what that looks like being in this particular field, being exposed to things that most people don't get a front row seat on, and then being able to still coexist amongst people who at one point gave me death threats and wanted me and my family completely wiped off the planet.
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  So, you know, it was it's been really challenging.
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  But the discernment, I actually posted this the other day in a video, which is interesting that I talked about that is one of the biggest gifts that I think God has given me is discernment when it comes to situations and people.
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  And I can read that very, very much so within, you know, 99% accuracy.
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  And like actually, I don't really run in packs.
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  I might have a friend or two here and there, but that's just not how I am because it can be really intimidating for a lot of people.
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  But they also know when they get to know me that you know I'm pretty ride or die in that.
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  So it's kind of an all over the place, you know, trying to figure out what works for people and what doesn't.
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  But I am who I am, and they know that that's not going to change, and I stand ten toes down on business and say it with my whole chest.
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  So most people appreciate that, but you know, there has been a lot of people who uh will tell you tell me they're very disappointed.
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  Like I I thought better of you.
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  And it's sad that you went this way, but here we are.
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  It's interesting that discernment's been on your mind recently.
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  I had no idea that it was, and it's also doubly interesting that you brought it up through the lens of your religious beliefs, because that's a journey that I'm on as well with my wife, and one of the ways that I've been kind of looking at things recently is things like the DSM, the Bible of psychiatry, or the Lancets, or the FTA or the CDC.
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  I'm kind of seeing these things as the golden calf, the false idols, the things that we were essentially taught to worship when we were going through nursing school, the way that doctors are also taught to worship and taught to be obedient.
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  And now that we've seen how these things are actually great deceivers and are causing so much harm, you know, you you pull back and you start looking for the truth and trying to practice that discernment.
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  And there's there's a religious theme there as well, where we're seeing some kind of um wisdoms and eternal truths that come from a book that's thousands of years old and teachings that are thousands of years old, but they really do apply to what we're seeing in the modern world.
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  Ashley's holding up her copy of Aaron Seary's fantastic book, Vaccines, Amen, which speaks to the way that vaccines have become their own essentially religious belief, and that is the perfect lens through which to view that belief and see the people who so rabidly and vehemently believe in the safety and efficacy of vaccines.
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  It's a religious belief that cannot be challenged, and they have such incredible faith, and there's really like that's really hard to break through about.
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  So again, to return to where I started the Gaslit Truth podcast.
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  Shout out to Terry and Jen for doing really good work in platforming people and getting stories out there of people who have been hurt by psychiatric medications.
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  It's there's a lot of moral injury involved in that, which you know, I could cue up Ashley who could speak on that for a long time, but they're not just doing the work in their professional lives, they're also getting the message out there and spreading awareness about it to a wider community, which is so useful and so helpful and so appreciated.
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  So they have been guests here on the nurses' report.
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  You can go back and find that episode.
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  They are hilarious.
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  They cover some really dark stuff in their episodes at times, but they bring in humor and swearing and things things that we don't always do here on uh the nurses report, or we'll add a duck quack or something like that.
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  To stay on that theme of discernment and psych med injury, I want to talk about somebody near and dear to my heart and something that was posted about him recently on social media.
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  It's Jordan Peterson, Jordan Peterson is the Canadian psychiatrist who really became a controversial public figure very suddenly back around 2016-2017 when he started speaking up about compelled speech and Bill C16 out of Canada, and that was at the exact same time on my psych unit.
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  We were seeing this incredible explosion of air quotes non-binary and trans identities on the adolescent psych unit.
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  He made the world make sense to me, and I saw the way that he suffered for it.
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  I've I've bought his books, I've seen him speak in person, I've met him.
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  I cannot even explain how much admiration I have for him.
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  Um, but he has also been suffering greatly because of psych med injuries that he has suffered.
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  And I'm gonna read what his daughter Michaela posted recently.
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  His daughter Mikayla posted recently.
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  She released a video, and this is her ex post that went along with it.
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  She released a video, and this is her ex post that went along with it.
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  We figured out that dad has a psychmed induced neurological injury and has been suffering from acathesia.
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  We figured out that dad has a psych med-induced neurological injury and has been suffering from acathesia.
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  So this fact check true so far here.
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  So this fact checked true so far here.
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  This is a very real thing.
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  This is a very real thing.
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  It's been six years since any psych medications.
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  It's been six years since any psych medications.
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  Last summer his symptoms started after a flare-up, likely induced by mold, SERS, CIRS, that's in parentheses here, and stress.
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  Last summer his symptoms started after a flare-up, likely induced by mold SRS, C I R S that's in parentheses here, and stress.
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  So this topic serves as something that comes up a lot in the carnivore and keto communities that I frequent.
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  So this topic serves.
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  Just a reminder, my wife is somebody who put an autoimmune disease in full remission on a very low inflammatory carnivore diet.
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  And um we're not we're not looking back for her at this point.
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  It's been absolutely amazing the benefits that she's received from it, benefits that she did not see over decades of the establishment healthcare system throwing different medications at her.
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  It's been absolutely life changing, and this this kind of theme of mold-induced kind of autoimmune disease.
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  It it we're we're seeing it talked about more and more and more.
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  There's something there.
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  I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert in it, but this is a very real thing.
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  Michaela goes on to say, it's been horrible.
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  Neurological injuries from psycheds are far more common than people know.
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  Again, fact check true.
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  I made this video to explain what they are and what akathisia is because they're not talked about enough.
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  They're misdiagnosed, nearly impossible to treat, and hidden by the pharmaceutical industry.
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  Again, fact check true.
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  All of the all of this is very true.
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  We've done episodes before.
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  I interviewed a woman named Kim Witzak.
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  So what Michaela is saying here is spot on.
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  But she said, I don't plan on making another update about my dad.
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  It stresses my family out and myself, and there's nothing more to say about it until things get better.
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  I will be jumping up and down about psychmed injury awareness from now on as it's impacted my health as well and is devastating.
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  Prayers are appreciated still.
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  So Ashley or Nicole, do you either of you want to weigh in about Michaela or Jordan, Ashley?
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  First of all, acathesia, for those of you who don't know, is that involuntary spasm and like an inability to sit still, and so it's quite disturbing, not only for the individual, but also for those around them.
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  And I want you to think about, as a listener, I really want you to take a minute and just think about a time where you've not been able to control your own body and how upsetting that is and how overwhelming that is.
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  And to be in a position of public authority and to be so respected and to be seen as less than because of this issue has got to be incredibly unsettling.
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  And so I just I want to put that in people, the forefront of people's minds.
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  As, you know, an independent fact checker, though, I do not have the shirt like Dave does.
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  This all checks out.
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  I mean, and it's absolutely wild because these things go hand in hand and they tend to compound my heart goes out to this family because I cannot imagine the struggle.
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  And it's like all those we see with COVID vaccine injury.
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  Um it's an assault on that nervous system.
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  That's you know, a big problem with mold is the way that the mycotoxins go after your nervous system.
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  And so I I just I mean, I I can't say enough that we're definitely praying for all of you who are facing these issues out there because I cannot imagine and to have that happen at the hands of people that you trusted were doing the right thing for you, especially for the Petersons, you know, this is his life work.
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  We talked about Dave talked about moral injury for a second there.
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  You know, the things that probably have to be going through his mind as he is living this suffering and carrying this cross, so to speak, has to be tremendous.
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  Absolutely.
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  And you know, a lot of the patients who end up suffering from acathesia, it's not recognized by their doctor.
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  It's painted as being another part of their mental illness, and it's not recognized as a devastating medication side effect.
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  And in terms of being devastating, I want to play a video here from Dr.
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  Joseph Wittdorren, who's also been a guest here on the nurses' report.
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  He's gonna describe acathesia a little bit.
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  Hi, I'm Dr.
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  Joseph Witt During, and today we're gonna talk about acathesia.
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  Akathia is probably the worst side effect that you can have from a psychiatric medication.
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  Usually the ones we think about when someone is having acathesia, uh, antidepressant and antipsychotic medications.
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  The word akathesia comes from Greek, and it means the inability to sit still.
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  Uh however, it's really much more than that.
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  So when we describe acathesia and and how it's used in modern clinical psychiatry, uh, there has to be two components.
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  One is intense inner restlessness leading to compelled motion, and the other one is um dysphoria.
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  So the inner restlessness, the way this usually manifests is that you'll feel like you need to move.
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  Some people will pace kind of side to side like this constantly throughout the day.
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  It can get to the level where people actually feel the need to walk several miles a diet because they are so uncomfortable.
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  A lot of patients will describe uh feelings uh inside their muscles.
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  At times they'll say they feel this writhing discomfort, this kind of turning of their muscles, which is uh really uncomfortable, and the way they get rid of it is by moving.
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  And so they're kind of compelled to move to dispel some of that pain.
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  When we see it in the hospital setting, patients are usually in their beds and they're kind of kicking their legs up and down because they're so uncomfortable.
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  The second part of it is this dark intense dysphoria or depression, and it's usually characterized by these um obsessive, negative, ruminating thoughts.
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  Um what you have is a lot of severe depression and anxiety mixed with this intense inner discomfit.
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  And it's these types that can lead someone to uh act in a way they normally wouldn't.
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  And and sometimes this can be a suicidal behavior.
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  And um it has also been associated with aggressive or homicidal behavior as well.
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  It really doesn't do it justice, you know, to hear people describe it as restlessness and you need to move and that sort of thing, because I've worked with patients with this, and it is absolutely horrifying.
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  And so I want to give you an example, a video example.
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  Michaela said, you know, I don't have time to um I'm not gonna share an actual example of somebody experiencing acathesia, but uh I'm gonna I'm gonna share one here.
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  Yes.
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  Come here.
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  Again, it is so distressing that people would rather be dead than continue to experience it.
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  Again, it is so distressing that people would rather be dead than continue to experience it.
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  And that is not me saying that.
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  And that is not me saying that.
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  That is actually straight from the words of Pfizer Dr.
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  That is actually straight from the words of Pfizer Dr.
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  Roger Lane.
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  Roger Lane.
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  It was a side effect that they knew about and talked about internally back in the 1990s when they were bringing their antidepressant Zoloft to market.
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  It was a side effect that they knew about and talked about internally back in the 1990s when they were bringing their antidepressant Zoloft to market.
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  And one of the things that they discussed about acathesia is that yes, it is so.
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  And one of the things that they discussed about acathesia is that yes, it is so distressing, it causes people to kill themselves.
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  Death is a sweet release from acathesia.
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  And we shouldn't let primary care doctors know about this side effect because it will create hesitancy from them writing prescriptions for people.
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  So however much you hate and distrust pharma, like it's it's not enough.
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  It's not enough with things like this.
• 21:51
  So to think of um Jordan Peterson going through this and going through this for months, and he is himself a psychiatrist, and and there's a I don't know whether to call it an irony to that, or you know, he I believe also certainly had blinders on about just how corrupt and bad some of these systems have gotten until his personal injury came along, and and he's had profound problems getting effective treatment for this.
• 22:18
  He did the first time that he kind of went uh he kind of disappeared from public life for a long time, a few years ago, and and this is this is what he was dealing with back then, and he's been gone for months again, and this is again what he's dealing with now.
• 22:32
  Unfortunately, establishment psychiatry often again gaslights people, there's that term again, and they try and treat this with the same medications that cause it, and it just it sends people spiraling and and they're lied to, and it's one of those um blame the victim type scenarios.
• 22:48
  Nicole, I see you nodding here.
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  What are your thoughts at this point?
• 22:51
  It's just it's horrific.
• 22:52
  I mean, I see it every day with my father in law because he has really bad Parkinson's, there's medications that he takes, he has it really bad.
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  Uh, same mindset, right?
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  We've had conversations that are very difficult that he would rather not be with us because of the intensity of it, how bad it is.
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  Uh, the worst part about it, in my opinion, is that they are fully aware mentally that this is going on.
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  It's just their body that they cannot control and not being able to signal that to the to the body.
• 23:18
  You know, they're aware that all this is happening, they have no control, and so like you said, to be in this loop where you don't know when it's gonna hit or when it's gonna start, when it's gonna stop, and then as things progress, it becomes to the point where you have zero quality of life, and they start piling on more medications, right?
• 23:34
  More big pharma, let's do this for this symptom, and actually identifying it's more or less just another pill to fix it, but it is exactly what you said it is.
• 23:43
  My father in law, who's an absolute saint, struggles every day to want to be present with us because there is just no way to make it stop unless you're completely out of it.
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  And I mean, we're getting to that point in our situation.
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  It's it's pretty bad.
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  So I can't imagine, you know, Peterson who's aware, who comes from this background, who knows all the ins and outs.
• 24:04
  You know, if it it's like if it happened to to you, Dave, like you're a psych nurse, you kind of know how all these things work, and like mentally you're all intact, right?
• 24:10
  You know it's them.
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  Yeah.
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  The helplessness associated with that.
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  It's it's just uh it's just horrifying.
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  It's been interesting to see people's reactions to this video by Michaela Peterson.
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  We've seen, of course, the DEI warriors, the blue-haired, shrill women posting online.
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  You know, you can just they are clowns, you can just ignore them.
• 24:32
  They're they're always going to jump on Jordan Peterson because you know, he went against the trans agenda, so you know, we're not even paying attention to what they're saying.
• 24:40
  What's been interesting and at times very disappointing is to see how other people have reacted to what happened to Jordan Peterson.
• 24:49
  One of them is New York Times journalist Alex Baronson.
• 24:53
  Alex Baronson has been involved in incredibly important journalism about the hidden side effects of psychiatric medications.
• 25:03
  He is the journalist who made the book, The Zyprexa Papers, possible.
• 25:08
  Back in the early 2000s, there was an ongoing lawsuit about the side effects of antipsychotic medications like Cyprexa.
• 25:17
  Manufacturers like Eli Lilly were intentionally hiding side effects that can be fatal from doctors and from the public.
• 25:23
  There were people involved in that lawsuit who thought that it was criminal that all that was happening under gag order and that the advocate for people who've been harmed by the mental health establishment.
• 25:33
  And Alex Baronson is the reporter at the New York Times who ended up publishing it.
• 25:38
  So he knows, he knows that the pharmaceutical industry lies about the side effects of psychmeds.
• 25:44
  He has seen it firsthand with some of his best award-winning journalism, and yet he decided to post on X.
• 25:51
  I don't know what's with Jordan Peterson, but the Occam's razor is that this is nonsense and he's back on benzos.
• 25:57
  By the way, benzos don't cause long-term neurological injury.
• 26:01
  He put that in square coat quotes, unless you OD and stop breathing.
• 26:05
  But they're very addictive and it's easy to relapse.
• 26:07
  So he's basically calling Jordan Peterson an addict and completely ignoring the side effect of acathesia, which is so profoundly disappointing.
• 26:18
  You know, Alex Baronson got a lot right during COVID, but he also got a lot wrong.
• 26:23
  So when we're talking about discernment and a topic comes up and you want to know more about it, you want to go to sources you trust.
• 26:29
  It's like, okay, Alex Baronson has kind of outed himself as somebody where I don't trust his discernment because he was so adamantly against ivermectin during COVID.
• 26:41
  He got some stuff right about the vaccines, but then on Ivermectin, he was just so dogmatic and uncurious about it.
• 26:48
  And now with this situation with Jordan Peterson and the injuries that can be caused by medications like benzodiazepines and antidepressants that can last for years and years.
• 27:00
  He's just like, no, I'm gonna agree with uh Pfizer and Merck on this one, and and I I don't get it.
• 27:06
  Ashley, what's your take on this?
• 27:08
  I'll just say that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
• 27:12
  You know, and we're never gonna agree on all the different things, right?
• 27:16
  So this is why it's important.
• 27:17
  You look to those sources, but you also gather differing opinions.
• 27:22
  This is one of the most important things that we talk about in our homeschool, my kids and I is gathering different sources, analyzing the facts and seeing what is verifiable because you sit here and it's really easy to jump to conclusions, it's really easy to be hateful.
• 27:37
  You know, can I change anything about this?
• 27:39
  Does this help or hurt people?
• 27:41
  Like, where are we going with this?
• 27:43
  And where's the information coming from?
• 27:45
  So it's sad to see somebody who got quite a few things right.
• 27:49
  Get something so very wrong and be so hurtful in the process of of somebody who's suffering.
• 27:55
  Yeah, absolutely.
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• 33:02
  I'm your host, Nurse David Wayne, joined today by nurses Nicole and Ashley.
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• 33:11
  Before the break, we talked about a post and a video by Michaela Peterson, who is his daughter that talked about things like SERS, which is chronic inflammatory response syndrome caused by toxic mold exposure, which for some reason some people there seems to be a genetic component to this.
• 33:29
  They just can't clear those toxins and and it can result in a lifetime of issues like autoimmune disease.
• 33:36
  It's talked about a lot in the carnivore communities that I'm involved in because of my wife, and we're also talking about psych med injuries, which is absolutely my wheelhouse as a psych nurse.
• 33:47
  There have been a lot of different reactions to this.
• 33:49
  Some of them are pretty predictable, but I've been very disappointed by some of the reactions by people like Alex Baronson, who's a reporter who has covered how big pharma hides psych med injuries, and he just had a terrible take on this.
• 34:05
  And speaking about terrible takes.
• 34:07
  Nurse Nicole, this one will be interesting to you because I think you like this person.
• 34:11
  Candace Owens has had just a terrible take on Jordan Peterson.
• 34:16
  Regarding his acathesia.
• 34:18
  I struggle with Candace because I think that she's done some good work on different topics, some topics that are near and dear to my heart.
• 34:28
  She had her entire series on vaccines called A Shot in the Dark that she actually completely redid on the Daily Wire when she was on the Daily Wire, but after she left the Daily Wire, she obviously had a serious falling out with some of the people there, and she took a lot of shots at um Jordan Peterson.
• 34:46
  She basically released an entire video calling him an addict and completely dismissing the side effect of acathesia.
• 34:54
  She was, I feel being manipulative to people because she wanted to associate the negative connotations that come from calling someone an addict.
• 35:00
  Negative connotations that come from calling someone an addict.
• 35:03
  There is moral failing assigned to that that she wanted to paint Jordan Peterson with.
• 35:03
  There is moral failing assigned to that that she wanted to paint Jordan Peterson with, and to me it was really unforgivable.
• 35:09
  And to me, it was really unforgivable.
• 35:12
  I've never trusted her since then because she was either doing that intentionally or ignorantly.
• 35:12
  I've never trusted her since then because she was either doing that intentionally or ignorantly.
• 35:18
  And neither of them is acceptable for somebody who has such a big audience as her.
• 35:18
  And neither of them is acceptable for somebody who has such a big audience as her, and she was saying it so incredibly confidently, and you know, she's somebody that I I would not want to debate her.
• 35:23
  And she was saying it so incredibly confidently.
• 35:26
  And you know, she's somebody that I I would not want to debate her.
• 35:30
  You know, we could if I was on the other side of a debate with her, I don't care what the topic is, I would lose.
• 35:36
  But to see her go after Jordan Peterson and to be so completely in my mind manipulative, it it makes me not trust her discernment on any other topics because obviously when she has some sort of inner personal interpersonal relationship or interpersonal vendetta or agenda, she is completely willing to not be truthful to be manipulative.
• 36:01
  That's that's my opinion.
• 36:02
  Nicole, let me let me tap you in at this point, because I I believe you're a big Candace fan.
• 36:07
  I wouldn't say like a big Candace fan, but I do I like the fact that she is bold in her stance, right?
• 36:13
  Even though we don't always agree on everything.
• 36:15
  I like the fact that she does for the most part bring receipts.
• 36:19
  I am not familiar with that particular episode that you're speaking of.
• 36:23
  Um so I can't really speak on it, what she's saying about Peterson, but from what you're saying, obviously that wouldn't be something that I agree with.
• 36:28
  Um because we know that it's a lot deeper than that.
• 36:30
  There's a lot more that goes into play.
• 36:32
  I know that she has taken a very strong stance about Charlie Kirk, that it's not popular and where that's going, and of course, Israel and a bunch of other things.
• 36:41
  So, you know, I I have to give it to her that she's bold and she stands, she stands with her chest out and basically says what she says.
• 36:48
  But again, we don't always agree on everything and how she does it.
• 36:51
  So, you know, to hear that particular situation about Peterson is a little disappointing because that's that's something different.
• 36:58
  That's something that is not you can't control that.
• 37:01
  And you know, people make mistakes, people have histories and different things like that, or or you know, may not have known as best, and then they learn and then they try to fix and rectify.
• 37:12
  And I think as hard as that can be sometimes to acknowledge that, we should.
• 37:16
  And so, you know, for that particular situation, I can't say that I would be too thrilled about her response on that.
• 37:22
  But yeah, I can see where you feel that way, and I and I respect it, because like I said, sometimes she can be a little, she can be a little intense.
• 37:29
  She can be intense.
• 37:30
  And that's and that's good sometimes, right?
• 37:32
  Like, you know, she does try and speak truth to power.
• 37:35
  She certainly did with vaccines, and that's partly why I was so disappointed with her take on Jordan Peterson's situation.
• 37:42
  She was also on an episode of Piers Morgan where she and Michaela Peterson argued about it.
• 37:48
  And Michaela's trying to educate her and the audience about acathesia, and Candace is just having nothing none of it.
• 37:55
  She's just like, no, he's he's an addict, and just being that dismissive, and that that lack of curiosity about the side effects of pharmaceutical medications when you have done entire series about the side effects of pharmaceutical medications and how they're hidden, and it's all the same manufacturer.
• 38:13
  The companies who make the vaccines are the exact same companies who make the antidepressants, and she's just like, I trust them on this one.
• 38:19
  Like, no, there was that was because she had a uh personal vendetta going on.
• 38:23
  All right, I I won't spend more time on Candace, I guess it gets me it gets me fired up.
• 38:29
  But um, let's move on to we promised to bring updates about, you know, I just mentioned vaccines and vaccine injuries.
• 38:37
  Pam Bondi is out at the Department of Justice, so she was a huge barrier to the Brooke Jackson Keetam lawsuit moving forward at the Department of Justice.
• 38:47
  Just a reminder, this is the lawsuit against Pfizer for lying and misleading the government about their so-called safe and effective COVID vaccine.
• 38:59
  Pfizer was in a contract with the government to provide a safe and effective vaccine, and they provided a vaccine that is unsafe and ineffective.
• 39:06
  And Brooke Jackson has filed a uh lawsuit against them, alleging fraud on their behalf, and she would know because she worked at one of their clinical trial sites and has documented proof of fraud by Pfizer.
• 39:19
  And one of the biggest disappointments out of this Department of Justice under Pam Bondy was that they were taking the same position as the Biden administration.
• 39:28
  They were sitting on it.
• 39:29
  The Biden administration actually intervened in the lawsuit and said, actually, we support the dismissal of this lawsuit.
• 39:36
  And Pam Bondi took that same position.
• 39:38
  Pam Bondi didn't want this lawsuit to proceed forward to discovery.
• 39:42
  So now that she's out, has that changed?
• 39:44
  No.
• 39:45
  No.
• 39:46
  Uh this Department of Justice is still not interested in that lawsuit proceeding forward to discovery.
• 39:54
  They could do things like withdraw their motion for dismissal.
• 39:57
  They could move to support Jackson instead of being on the same side of the courtroom as Brooke Jackson, they are on the opposite side of the courtroom from Brooke Jackson as this case is being appealed.
• 40:09
  So incredibly disappointing.
• 40:11
  But to return to that theme of discernment, it's like, okay, yep, we clearly still have huge problems at the Department of Justice.
• 40:19
  Either of you have thoughts on Pam Bondi or anything that's going on there.
• 40:22
  I feel like I want to skip ahead in this conversation because I think I know what's coming next, but discernment is a big key.
• 40:29
  And I've been there have been a lot of issues swirling around the failures that are happening right now.
• 40:36
  I really I'm wrapped up in some primary battles here in Indiana.
• 40:41
  My organization has sent I raised $15,000 in two weeks, and I spent almost all that money on mail.
• 40:48
  Like little bit left.
• 40:50
  And it is to oust some of these bad Republicans.
• 40:52
  And I look around and I see what's happening, and we see some of these headlines where they're saying don't talk about vaccines.
• 40:59
  You know, those people don't, you know, are only three to five percent of the thing.
• 41:04
  And it's like, is Trump getting bad advice or is he doing this intentionally?
• 41:09
  And I feel like that's where we're at with this whole Pam Bondy, and I don't even know the name of her predecessor.
• 41:14
  But it's really infuriating and frustrating to see these things time and time again just fall flat.
• 41:19
  And I think that's where we have to pick up the slack, and that's where I'm really glad that we get together and talk about these issues because it's inspirational to me.
• 41:28
  It drives me forward, it keeps me focused, and I see all the evil that is happening, but I also see the good that's happening.
• 41:35
  The the truth that's coming to light.
• 41:37
  And so I'll say that without jumping ahead.
• 41:40
  That's that's my two cents, Nicole.
• 41:41
  No, I I I agree.
• 41:42
  I know where we're going next, so I think we should hit that because it's important that we we bring it up because it's it's very much a thing right now, and uh people are really questioning what this administration is doing with it.
• 41:54
  Are you two talking about the new CDC director nominee Erica Schwartz by chance?
• 42:00
  Yeah, so this was somebody I had never heard of before.
• 42:00
  Yeah, so this was somebody I had never heard of before.
• 42:04
  And so when I was trying to form my opinion about her, I turned to sources where I can trust their discernment.
• 42:04
  And so when I was trying to form my opinion about her, I turned to sources where I can trust their discernment.
• 42:12
  So I turned to two different places.
• 42:12
  So I turned to two different places.
• 42:14
  One, I saw Aaron Seary post about it, and then he said this is a terrible pick.
• 42:14
  One, I saw Aaron Seary post about it, and then he said this is a terrible pick, and it's like, okay, I trust Aaron Seary.
• 42:18
  And it's like, okay, I trust Aaron Seary.
• 42:21
  He hasn't burned me like Alex Baronson and Candace have.
• 42:21
  He hasn't burned me like Alex Baronson and Candace have.
• 42:24
  And then the other source I turned to was stat news.
• 42:24
  And then the other source I turned to was stat news.
• 42:27
  I wanted to see what they thought about her and.
• 42:27
  I wanted to see what they thought about her, and they absolutely love her.
• 42:31
  And that between those two tells me all I need to know because again, you know, we talked about the purpose of a system is what it does.
• 42:38
  Stat news is the propaganda wing of big pharma, and whatever they are happy and excited about.
• 42:45
  It's generally a safe bet that it's a bad and terrible thing.
• 42:48
  So they are extremely excited about this pick to run the CDC.
• 42:53
  And it's like, okay, I actually don't need to know more about her at this point.
• 42:57
  I know what I need to know.
• 42:59
  I guess for the purpose of being thorough, we can dive in a little bit and and talk more about her.
• 43:06
  One of the things that the stat article said, uh even supporters fear Erica Schwartz won't be given free reign to run the agency under RFK Jr.
• 43:15
  So they're they're afraid that RFK Jr.
• 43:17
  is going to have too much influence over her.
• 43:20
  Okay, that's uh that tells you a lot about what they're what they're afraid of.
• 43:24
  Another quote from the Stat article the nomination of a new leader for the centers of disease control and prevention, one who has scientific credentials and no public ties to the anti-vaccine movement has generated size of relief from the public health world.
• 43:38
  You mean the same public health world that supported COVID vaccine mandates and says that all vaccines are safe and effective and that supported the lockdowns and that supported the school closures, like the masking all the things that same public health that they're excited about her, like okay.
• 43:55
  The people who haven't reckoned with anything that happened during COVID, the profound harm that they did during COVID, they're excited about her.
• 44:04
  So yay.
• 44:06
  What the hell is going on with this administration?
• 44:09
  He said, Yay.
• 44:11
  Well, you know, that's how everybody else feels, right?
• 44:13
  As soon as it came out, I was like, wow, you know, what series of punked are we on?
• 44:17
  Because she is the driver, has been the driver, has been heavily involved, and not only vaccine mandates, but surveillance and everything specific to like the military and you know, just really pushing all the things.
• 44:33
  And so this is like a liberal dim's wet dream, right?
• 44:36
  At this point.
• 44:37
  Wow.
• 44:37
  And so it's really concerning that we have learned nothing.
• 44:41
  And so I'm not really quite sure how that would have even been brought up to go, you know what?
• 44:47
  I think that she's it.
• 44:48
  She should be it.
• 44:49
  And everyone's like, cha-jing, let's go for it.
• 44:52
  So we're all looking at this going, is this is intentional sabotage?
• 44:57
  Is this to try to appease the other side to make it look like like Trump is like actually appointing people that are not just like anti-everything?
• 45:05
  Also, she's a she's an African American female, so that's a win to the other side.
• 45:10
  So it there's just a lot about it that people are like, oh, she's super qualified.
• 45:14
  And I'm like, she's super qualified to make sure that you have an injection in your arm at every step of the way, uh, with zero bodily autonomy.
• 45:22
  Yeah, not a fan, disappointed about that, and not looking forward to what's to come further from that situation.
• 45:29
  Yeah, so she was deputy surgeon general under Trump in his first administration, and she went on to serve for a few months under Biden before resigning, and after she resigned, she went on to become the president of insurance solutions at United Healthcare.
• 45:44
  Yes, the same United Kel Healthcare that has such a bad reputation that thousands of people literally celebrated the ghoulish assassination of its CEO.
• 45:54
  She is president of insurance solutions over there.
• 45:57
  She's also on the board of directors uh at Aviana Healthcare Holdings, which is this multi-billion dollar company that specializes in home health and hospice, and guess where a couple of their big communities are?
• 46:09
  Minnesota and California, where we're seeing all the home health and hospice fraud.
• 46:14
  So, yeah, great pick, Trump.
• 46:16
  And this is obviously somebody that Pharma and the ghouls are super excited about discernments.
• 46:24
  What do you think?
• 46:25
  Are we being unfair or is this just red flag after red flag after deal breaker?
• 46:30
  Ashley, what do you think about this pick?
• 46:31
  I mean, if you can't see the red flags at this point, like don't go to Spain because you're gonna get charged by a bull.
• 46:37
  I mean, legitimately can somebody who believes in the whole Trump 40 chess thing please explain this to me.
• 46:45
  Like email me, nurses at America Outloud.news because I want to understand and I want to believe that we haven't just been betrayed, whether that is by his own doing or by bad advice that he has received, I don't know.
• 46:58
  But how can you rectify all of this information?
• 47:02
  The way she really pushed in the National Guard to maintain these vaccine mandates.
• 47:08
  I mean, even after things were starting to be reversed, she was still all for it.
• 47:14
  I mean, that tells us the direction that we're going.
• 47:17
  And I am the type of person where I'm gonna look at this.
• 47:21
  I'm obviously seeing all of the red flags just shoot off like fireworks.
• 47:27
  It's time to double down.
• 47:28
  Like we have to double down on these efforts.
• 47:32
  We have to make sure that we are voting in the May primaries.
• 47:36
  We have to make sure that we are out there once these people get into office because the states hold the key to this.
• 47:43
  Like we need to be prepared because this person is being installed.
• 47:46
  If she stays, it's teeing it up for the next administration.
• 47:50
  Is that gonna be Republican, Democrat?
• 47:53
  Does it really freaking matter at this point?
• 47:55
  You know, we think about all the things with Palantir and what they do.
• 47:58
  We've talked about that on the show before.
• 48:00
  And yeah, are the Republicans gonna put up JD Vance and how is that gonna go?
• 48:05
  Like what kind of digital ID are we gonna have?
• 48:08
  Is this part of the whole, you know, new world order, world economic forum plan for one health, one ID, you know, world health, all the things.
• 48:18
  And I don't know.
• 48:19
  But right now, the states have the power to reject these things, so we have to be fortifying at the state level.
• 48:28
  We're gonna what we've seen over the last couple years is the advancement of the quote anti-vax movement, the Make America Healthy Again movement.
• 48:37
  And any time you step on your enemy's head, it lashes out, right?
• 48:43
  We are going to continue to see this pattern where we feel like we take one step forward, two steps back.
• 48:49
  We have to keep our eyes on the prize.
• 48:52
  We have to keep looking forward.
• 48:53
  We have to continue to use that discernment to identify those sources that are good, the people that are going to help us along the way and not stop until we get there.
• 49:00
  Along the way and not stop until we get there.
• 49:04
  You know, in in Indiana, and I'll just speak to Indiana.
• 49:04
  You know, in Indiana, and I'll just speak to Indiana.
• 49:07
  In 2022, we had this huge influx of candidates run.
• 49:07
  In 2022, we had this huge influx of candidates run.
• 49:11
  Most of them lost the ones that did get in turned out to be big old flops.
• 49:11
  Most of them lost the ones that did get in turned out to be big old flops.
• 49:15
  They did not help us advance things at all.
• 49:15
  They did not help us advance things at all.
• 49:18
  Well, maybe just a tiny little bit in the very beginning.
• 49:18
  Well, maybe just a tiny little bit in the very beginning, but then that two steps back.
• 49:20
  But then that two steps back.
• 49:22
  24, we had a smaller number of people, you know, we've been able to apply pressure.
• 49:27
  We've seen this flux happen.
• 49:29
  Here we are, 26.
• 49:30
  We're having a new round of elections, and it is hot.
• 49:33
  I mean, medical liberty is the issue, and we're seeing people that I never would have expected to fill out our survey, fill out our survey.
• 49:41
  I they know I'm not playing.
• 49:43
  They know that I believe in accountability, and they know that I will activate my people and we will cause havoc if they don't uphold the promises that they've made.
• 49:52
  So something has shifted.
• 49:53
  When we look and see these failures up there, we have to remember that the local level is where the power is, and that's where we need to focus.
• 50:00
  So while I am definitely knowing and watching my enemy cross the ridgeline, I'm also focused on the battle right here in the valley.
• 50:08
  Yeah, you're right.
• 50:09
  It is so important to fight locally and to, you know, affect what you can at the local level.
• 50:16
  Those are all very worthy fights.
• 50:17
  Some of these things, it just it's such a feeling of helplessness, you know.
• 50:21
  We got this administration and had this administration sweep in and saw RFK Jr.
• 50:26
  take over as head of HHS, and that that was such an important moment, and we're all feeling so hopeful.
• 50:32
  And then it's just been it's just been so much uh sabotage and the uh enemy fighting back so powerfully and effectively, and this is a really good example of that, and and it's uh disappointing.
• 50:43
  And I'll segue that uh because it's a similar theme to talk about a recent oval office event.
• 50:49
  I was kind of flipping through the channels and stopped because I saw Trump talking live, and I said, Wow, that guy behind Trump looks a lot like Joe Rogan.
• 50:58
  Turns out it was Joe Rogan.
• 51:00
  They were having an oval office event talking about psychedelics.
• 51:04
  Trump signed an executive order giving states a whole bunch of money for psychedelic research.
• 51:09
  And I was like, okay, this is this is interesting.
• 51:12
  You know, as my background is a psych nurse.
• 51:14
  It's we know that um the current medications available to people with depression, anxiety, PTSD, etc.
• 51:20
  are just absolute garbage.
• 51:22
  Pharma themselves, like they're not working on the next generation of antidepressants.
• 51:27
  We had the first generation back in the 50s and 60s.
• 51:30
  We had the second generation, you know, Prozac came out in the eight.
• 51:35
  Like you would think here we are decades later, they're working on Gen 3, but they're not.
• 51:40
  They know that those medications are garbage and a dead end.
• 51:44
  I mean, they still plan to profit from them enormously over the coming years and decades, but they have been looking for something else.
• 51:52
  And my first take on this was well, they must have figured out a way to monetize it to the point where it's now acceptable that this uh that this is happening.
• 52:02
  And when I start to look into it, it seems like that is exactly what has happened.
• 52:08
  All these uh big pharma companies are buying up the little startups and they're setting up the infrastructure and they're doing the research to the point where you know the futures markets and stuff like that, they all project that this is going to be a multi-billion dollar business yearly for them very soon.
• 52:25
  And hate to be so cynical because I do think there's something there.
• 52:30
  I I do believe a lot of the anecdotal story.
• 52:33
  I mean, you you have to believe that people when they say that their personal experience with these is that it has been absolutely life-changing, people with PTSD veterans, people like that.
• 52:45
  And I believe them and I believe that there is something there.
• 52:48
  I'm just very sad to see that an entire drug class that pharma has intentionally repressed for years and years, they're now suddenly embracing, and that has to be something that you look at with a bit of skepticism and cynicism to see what's what's really going on.
• 53:03
  Nicole, I see you nodding.
• 53:05
  What are your thoughts on this?
• 53:06
  Well, we all know that they're gonna regulate it, surveillance it, all the things are gonna happen so that the federal government can have full control and what's happening with it, and that's part of the thing, you know, with like marijuana and different states, you know, regulating it for medicinal versus you know, recreational and what that means when you have the government now in your business.
• 53:27
  So, you know, it's not like they're doing us a favor and then there's there's not going to be stuff to come with it, but it is eye-opening to see, you know, that there are going to be other options, and you know, I guess some people would say, you know, the devil's in the details, take some of the what you can good out of it.
• 53:43
  But we all know at the end of the day that this is gonna be the the caveat, right?
• 53:47
  They're going to be putting their hands in it and trying to regulate it even more and still profit off of it and all the other things.
• 53:55
  So, you know, we only hope that it stays as pure as possible, but we know in time, uh, these these very agencies and three letter organizations that demonize and criminalize uh what they have for years now are going to make money off of it.
• 54:09
  And um, you know, I guess at that point it's you know, it's the lesser of two evils for as long as there's helping, there's some help for people.
• 54:17
  But again, at what cost, Ashley?
• 54:19
  Yeah, so this makes me so livid because they demonize psychedelics, which some of them are fat soluble, uh, you know, psilocybin and stuff like that, water soluble.
• 54:28
  So that's good because that means your body can clear it.
• 54:31
  But one of the things that I think Joe Rogan really pushed on was Ibogain, and I've known a couple people who've done Ibogain journeys, and they find it profoundly helpful.
• 54:41
  I am too scared to lose control, so I've never dabbled in any of this stuff, like very type a control freak type of personality.
• 54:50
  But what bothers me about this because I do truly believe there is great healing, God put medicine in plants.
• 54:58
  We know this, it's in the Bible, like this is fact.
• 55:01
  I'm sorry.
• 55:01
  If you don't believe, but the Bible is fact, go start reading it if you don't believe me.
• 55:06
  Um, come back to me in a year.
• 55:07
  Read the Bible during that year.
• 55:08
  But anyways, so sidetracked.
• 55:10
  But anyways, when when pharmaceutical industries get involved in this, what they do is they have to make it a profit.
• 55:16
  They have to quote, make it better.
• 55:18
  They think that they can do better than the Lord.
• 55:21
  And I'm here to tell you that that is incorrect.
• 55:24
  And they've started out this episode talking about, you know, discernment and also how, you know, all of these things are so corrupted and it becomes a religion.
• 55:33
  And I'm telling you, the one thing that we can count on is God.
• 55:37
  We know that Jesus has won this war, but we have to remember that when we start playing God, we start to think that we've outsmarted him.
• 55:46
  We are gonna get smacked down, and that's what happens with these products.
• 55:49
  They don't work as effectively.
• 55:51
  There are side effects, complications from using them, and so we we morph something that is meant for healing, and humans have this nature about them even when we haven't altered it chemically, but we have the way of screwing it up, and so I really look for this to turn very very poorly, to turn out very poorly because even the best of tools in the wrong hands can be extremely dangerous.
• 56:00
  Even when we haven't altered it chemically, but we have the way of screwing it up, and so I really look for this to turn very, very poorly, to turn out very poorly, because even the best of tools in the wrong hands can be extremely dangerous.
• 56:15
  Well, a relationship with a higher power is part of the evidence based treatment for a lot of different addictions.
• 56:15
  Well, a relationship with a higher power is part of the evidence-based treatment for a lot of different addictions.
• 56:22
  I think that's a nice note to end on.
• 56:22
  I think that's a nice note to end on.
• 56:24
  That is all the time we have for this episode of the Nurses Reports.
• 56:24
  That is all the time we have for this episode of the nurses' reports.
• 56:28
  Until next time, this has been nurses.
• 56:28
  Until next time, this has been nurses David, Nicole, and Esh.
• 56:31
  It's time and this seems well.