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Episode 43: More On Moony · Revelio: A Wizarding World Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to episode forty three of Ravellio for
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  Speaker 1: April thirtieth, twenty twenty six. I'm Amy and I'm Nicole.
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  Speaker 1: Guess what this episode finally is.
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  Speaker 2: We're finally going to be talking about Remus Lupin after
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  Speaker 2: he has gotten pushed aside for the last couple episodes
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  Speaker 2: because of news of the TV show. But nothing new
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  Speaker 2: has broke regarding the show, so we are finally going
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  Speaker 2: to be talking about.
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  Speaker 1: As of recording. Who's to say what will happen after
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  Speaker 1: we hang up.
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  Speaker 2: This call, but either way, the converse about Remus is happening.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's his moment to shine saddle it.
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  Speaker 2: But first listening to w W in the Wizarding Wireless Network.
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  Speaker 2: Now for the latest headlines, pretty slow like news cycle,
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  Speaker 2: I think since our last episode, but there has been
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  Speaker 2: a few things announced. So there is going to be
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  Speaker 2: a drone art show starting on June thirteenth in Los
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  Speaker 2: Angeles and this show will be then continuing on to
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  Speaker 2: twenty six cities worldwide. So we talked about a drone
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  Speaker 2: show like a couple episodes back, and I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that happened in like February or March, because I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I remember it talking about it was in Florida,
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  Speaker 2: and it was like around the time that I was
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  Speaker 2: in Florida and kind of near that, but I was
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  Speaker 2: just missing it. So I don't know if I missed
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  Speaker 2: an announcement somewhere that we were always getting another one
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  Speaker 2: going to more cities, or if the one in Florida
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  Speaker 2: just did so well that they're expanding it. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if this is the same show a different show.
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  Speaker 2: I either way, it sounds like it's the same show
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  Speaker 2: that's just going to be touring to a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: cities in the United States and Europe. So that's really exciting.
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  Speaker 2: So the show, there's a lot of like But then
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  Speaker 2: like at the same time, I've seen news outlets say
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  Speaker 2: we don't know a lot about this show, which is
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  Speaker 2: weird because like we knew about the other show, and
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  Speaker 2: I think that other show already happened.
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  Speaker 1: So I was the same show, Like all the videos
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  Speaker 1: and stuff on social media would be of it.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And I never saw anything on social media about
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  Speaker 2: that drone show in Florida, So like, did it even happen?
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  Speaker 2: Like it's a mystery. We're going to file it in
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  Speaker 2: the Department of mysteries because I'm confused. But either way,
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  Speaker 2: there is a drone show that's going to be happening.
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  Speaker 2: It's part of this celebration of the twenty fifth anniversary.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, it's going to start in Los Angeles,
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  Speaker 2: I believe at Dodger Stadium, and then it's going to
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  Speaker 2: continue on, like I said, to twenty six cities between
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  Speaker 2: the United States and Europe. This show will contain around
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  Speaker 2: twelve hundred drones. It's an hour long show. I saw
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  Speaker 2: there is going to be like a live violinist as
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  Speaker 2: well as part of the show.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, an hour that's a lot other than I would
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  Speaker 1: have thought.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, that is a really long
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  Speaker 2: time because I remember when there was the drone show
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  Speaker 2: at Disney Springs. I feel like that show was like
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  Speaker 2: fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I would think of it as like a fireworks
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  Speaker 1: display kind of length. Yeah, like an hour is very long.
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  Speaker 2: It is because it does take a lot and like
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  Speaker 2: if the drones run out of bad or like I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know if an hour long. I
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  Speaker 2: saw that from what I think is a reputable source,
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  Speaker 2: but I guess we'll see. But that's what they were reporting,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm curious because I also think an hour is
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  Speaker 2: pretty long too, But it looks like after it's in
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  Speaker 2: LA in the United States, it's going to be in Phoenix,
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  Speaker 2: San Antonio, Austin, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, Alberquerque, Zagcramento, Denver, Dallas,
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  Speaker 2: and Houston. So if you are around any of those cities,
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  Speaker 2: definitely check it out. I think if you just search
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  Speaker 2: like Drone Art Show, Harry Potter, the website will come
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  Speaker 2: up so you can figure out like when it'll be
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  Speaker 2: in your city. And then in Europe it will be
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  Speaker 2: in France and a few cities in Germany and a
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  Speaker 2: few cities in Italy and a few cities in Spain
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  Speaker 2: and a few cities and also a couple of cities
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  Speaker 2: in the UK as well. So exciting and hopefully this
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  Speaker 2: one we see more about it after it starts happening.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a cool idea, and kind of
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  Speaker 1: they're doing it like in stadiums so a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people can watch it, which is nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be really cool. And then sticking with the
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  Speaker 2: like experiences front, we also finally got some more details
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  Speaker 2: regarding this Harry Potter Hogwarts Express adventure that we've been
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  Speaker 2: talking about I feel like we forever and we just
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  Speaker 2: haven't gotten the details. But like we've recently talked about
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  Speaker 2: a few episodes back now that a casting call went out,
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  Speaker 2: and now we finally have still not a lot of details,
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  Speaker 2: but more details than we had. So we know that
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  Speaker 2: the experience will be from July twenty fourth to September seventeenth,
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  Speaker 2: so actually coming up pretty quickly here. It's going to
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  Speaker 2: be happening at the Southern California Railway Museum, which is
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  Speaker 2: in Paris, California. Tickets are going on sale. Actually by
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  Speaker 2: the time this episode releases, they will have already been
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  Speaker 2: on sale, so they go on sale in April twenty eighth,
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  Speaker 2: and that's kind of all we know. So I'll be
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  Speaker 2: really curious to see if this is going to remain
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  Speaker 2: just a very limited experience and only happen in California
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  Speaker 2: during these dates, or if we'll eventually see it move
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  Speaker 2: around like the Forbidden Forest experience. But I also feel
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  Speaker 2: like this one, I feel like will be limited because
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  Speaker 2: they're using like a real train. Obviously they're doing it
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  Speaker 2: at a railway museum, and so don't I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be very curious to see how much this extends
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  Speaker 2: to other cities.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, this is a more difficult one
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  Speaker 1: to tour around, but there are different railway museums throughout
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  Speaker 1: the United States and other countries. I'm sure that have
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  Speaker 1: like those, like you know, old steam engines that you
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  Speaker 1: get to take a ride on. So like you could,
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  Speaker 1: in theory, tour it to these different museums and be like,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to take over your train for a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, So I guess we'll see. I mean, now
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  Speaker 2: maybe we can kind of like speculate on where it
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  Speaker 2: could maybe go because you know where they have those
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  Speaker 2: railway museums.
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  Speaker 1: Steamtown, Pennsylvania, is my guess, right, Yeah, I'm putting it
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  Speaker 1: in the ring right now.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So, yeah, I don't know. I guess we'll see again.
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  Speaker 2: Still don't have a lot of details about this, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm just glad to see that it hasn't gotten scrapped
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  Speaker 2: and they are kind of moving forward with it. And
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  Speaker 2: apparently the casting call was successful and they got people,
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  Speaker 2: and I think I remember we talked about that casting call,
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  Speaker 2: like specifically mentioning California, so I think we already kind
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  Speaker 2: of had a bit of a heads up that it
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  Speaker 2: was probably going to start in California. So yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: can still go to their website and like sign up
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  Speaker 2: to like learn more, which is really interesting because I
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  Speaker 2: know that I did that the second it was announced,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't remember ever getting an email about tickets
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  Speaker 2: going on sale, like I saw this. Uh yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: had said I saw it on social media, so I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how much their newsletterlink actually works. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean tickets go on sale in literally two days
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  Speaker 2: from when we're recording this, so we got some information,
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  Speaker 2: but we still also do not know a lot about it.
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  Speaker 2: And then other than that, there's just like some retail
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  Speaker 2: news that I found. So there's as always, there's always
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  Speaker 2: new Lego Harry Potter sets coming out. We talk about
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  Speaker 2: them so much, right and the fact that they're still
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  Speaker 2: coming up with so many ideas is so crazy. But
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  Speaker 2: there's four new Lego Harry Potter sets that are coming
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  Speaker 2: out in June. So we're getting Dobby the Free Alf.
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  Speaker 2: I think we've got and Dobby before, but this is
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  Speaker 2: him as a free Alf. There's a Hogwarts House Crust,
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  Speaker 2: which I feel like there's no way there hasn't been
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  Speaker 2: a Hogwarts House Crust before, right, but there is a
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  Speaker 2: Hogwarts House Crust. There's a Nocturne Alley, which is probably
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  Speaker 2: my favorite of the four sets, yep, and it's got
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  Speaker 2: all the little like storefronts and everything. And then there's
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  Speaker 2: a Forbidden Forest Expected Patronum version which is really cool.
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  Speaker 2: It has like the Stag patronis, there's a little dementor
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  Speaker 2: like minifigure, and then it also comes with serious and
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  Speaker 2: hairy minifigures, which is really cool. So I don't know
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  Speaker 2: exactly when in June they're coming out, but I saw
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  Speaker 2: that they're coming out in June, So if you're a
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  Speaker 2: Harry Potter Lego fan, keep your eyes out for those.
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  Speaker 2: And then if you like a nice sweet treat, Cinnabon
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  Speaker 2: is coming out with a butterbeer flavored collapse. Obviously, right
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  Speaker 2: now we're in butter Beer season, the official trademarked butter
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  Speaker 2: Beer season, and I guess this is going to be
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  Speaker 2: in participating select participating locations, and also it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a very limited collaboration. So it's available starting on
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars Day, May the fourth, and it's only running
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  Speaker 2: for like two weeks I saw, so if you want
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  Speaker 2: to it looks like they're having obviously a butter beer
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  Speaker 2: flavored cinnammin bun. It's really hard to say that because
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  Speaker 2: you want to say sinnabon a cinnamon bun, which I'm
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  Speaker 2: assuming the icing maybe is just like a butter beer flavor.
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  Speaker 2: And then in the picture it looks like there might
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  Speaker 2: also be like a drink as well, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: know the deats about exactly what that drink is. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it looks cool and they're running on the official like
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  Speaker 2: cinnabon Instagram account. I don't know how long the entry
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  Speaker 2: period is for this, but there are running a promotion
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  Speaker 2: alongside Cursechild where you can basically go and enter through
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  Speaker 2: commenting on their post to potentially win to tickets to
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  Speaker 2: go see Kurse Child. So that's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Nicole and I tagged each.
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  Speaker 2: Other, right, we entered for each other, so maybe one
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  Speaker 2: of us will win because you know, we'll just take
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  Speaker 2: the others, so we doubled our chances. So yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: really that's kind of it. Which it seems pretty pretty
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  Speaker 2: light after how much news has come out in the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of weeks, so a little bit of a breather,
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  Speaker 2: and this is probably the shortest news segment we've had
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  Speaker 2: in a very long time.
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  Speaker 1: com slash for Velio podcast. All right, so for our
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  Speaker 1: long awaited main discussion about Remis Slopin, we wanted to
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  Speaker 1: dive into his backstory a little bit and give him
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  Speaker 1: the time he deserves. Big Remis Loopin fan here. I
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  Speaker 1: know there's a lot of haters out there, but that's
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  Speaker 1: all some Remus.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, this is news to me. There's Remis haters. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I understand there's a lot of people that have issues
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  Speaker 2: with sirious, but I did not realize that there is
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  Speaker 2: so many issues with Lupin Lupin's I mean, for the
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  Speaker 2: longest time, I always said my like two favorite Harry
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  Speaker 2: Potter characters were serious and Remis Remis is definitely my favorite.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, do I want to say he's my
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  Speaker 2: favorite professor? I used to and then like mcgonaga I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know, but like he's up there,
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  Speaker 2: he's definitely my favorite DA DA professor. Not that he
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  Speaker 2: has really tough competition, but wow, I did not know
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  Speaker 2: that there was.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of the hate comes from his
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  Speaker 1: attempt to basically desert pregnant talks. Okay, but but and
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  Speaker 1: we'll discuss it. I think there was a lot of
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  Speaker 1: a lot of turmoil going on there. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: cut the guy's in slack. Yes, I don't think he
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  Speaker 1: was really intending to desert his wife and child. It
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  Speaker 1: was more of a self punishment and yeah, but.
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  Speaker 2: You know, okay, okay, I can see, Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So going back to the beginning, Ramis was born on
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  Speaker 1: March tenth, nineteen sixty to a wizard, Lyle Lupin and
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  Speaker 1: a muggle, Hope Howell Lupin, So he was a half blood.
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  Speaker 1: It's unknown where the family actually lived, but Lyle Lupin
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  Speaker 1: did work for the British Ministry of Magic in the
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  Speaker 1: Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures, So
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of ironic, yes, yes, so obviously that
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  Speaker 1: they lived somewhere in Britain, we'll put it that way.
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  Speaker 1: So actually it was a run in at work that
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  Speaker 1: kickstarted Lupin's son's fate to become a werewolf. In the books,
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  Speaker 1: we learned that Remus was bitten by friend Fenry gray
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  Speaker 1: Back when he was only five years old after his
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  Speaker 1: father had offended Back, and some Potter Moore writings expanded
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  Speaker 1: on that a little bit more and what actually happened
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  Speaker 1: for that offense to take place. So, according to Potter
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  Speaker 1: Moore or wisitingworld dot com, in the nineteen sixties, two
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  Speaker 1: Muggle children were killed. Gray Back was the suspect, but
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  Speaker 1: he denied killing them and denied that he was even
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  Speaker 1: a wizard, claiming to be a Muggle tramp. Well, Lyle
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  Speaker 1: Lupin kind of saw through this, and he suspected that
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  Speaker 1: gray Back was a were wolf and he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: keep him locked up for twenty four hours until the
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  Speaker 1: full moon happened to see if he would transform, but
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  Speaker 1: his colleagues overruled him, laughing off his suspicions, and this
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  Speaker 1: made Lyele angry, and apparently, in a very passionate monologue,
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  Speaker 1: he said that all were wolves are evil, soulless and
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  Speaker 1: are deserving of nothing but death, and gray Back overheard this,
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  Speaker 1: and when he escaped custody before a memory charm could
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  Speaker 1: be placed on him, you know, he took that impression
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  Speaker 1: of Lyle Lupin with him. So he went back to
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  Speaker 1: his pack of fellow werewolves and told them that Lyle
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  Speaker 1: Lupin had insulted their kind, and as revenge, gray Back
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  Speaker 1: waited for the full moon and sought out the Lupin's
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  Speaker 1: home and attacked five year old Remiss while he was sleeping,
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  Speaker 1: therefore turning him into a werewolf. So that is the
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  Speaker 1: long story of woe of what happened there. So obviously,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when your kid's a werewolf, you're probably thinking
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  Speaker 1: that they won't be able to attend Hogwarts, because, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that seems like a bad idea all around.
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  Speaker 1: But Dumbledore ended up visiting the Loopins when Remis turned
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  Speaker 1: eleven to explain what precautions would be taken, And we
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  Speaker 1: know that those precautions included the construction of a tunnel
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  Speaker 1: from the Womping Willow to the Shrieking Shack where Remis
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  Speaker 1: would be able to stay during his transformations, you know,
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  Speaker 1: keeping him away from other students and the Womping Willow
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  Speaker 1: really guarding that passageway. You know, we know there was
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  Speaker 1: some problems with this down the line, but.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and it's so weird to me to think that, like,
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  Speaker 2: in all of the years that Hogwarts was open in
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  Speaker 2: an operation, was remis the very first were wolf child
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  Speaker 2: that they had to deal with and figure out accommodations for.
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  Speaker 2: Like that seems really surprising in a way. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I guess it would be very rare for a child
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  Speaker 2: to become a were wolf, but it's also not completely
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  Speaker 2: like outside of the realm of possibility, So it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of weird that they didn't already have or not it
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  Speaker 2: had never come up before.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's weird to me that this is so
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  Speaker 1: rare because if there's a whole pack of wear wolves,
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  Speaker 1: and like we know there's a lot of wear wolves
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  Speaker 1: because they like join the death Eaters and stuff, so
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  Speaker 1: like they're around when you think that like there would
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  Speaker 1: be more kids that would have gotten attacked and bitten.
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  Speaker 2: Right, m.
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  Speaker 1: Or do they maybe wear wolves go after mugglemore because
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  Speaker 1: then like they avoid persecution.
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  Speaker 2: So funny that you say that we'll actually talk about
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  Speaker 2: that more in our extended conversation that we're going to
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  Speaker 2: do exclusive or Patreon where we're going to be covering
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  Speaker 2: were wolves in jkr's Wizarding World. But I guess a
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  Speaker 2: little spoiler to that is that actually they don't typically
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  Speaker 2: go for muggles because they this is a little gruesome,
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  Speaker 2: but we're talking about were wolves here, so I guess,
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  Speaker 2: like warning, like a trigger warning, muggles don't taste as good.
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  Speaker 2: Of this is according to the writings from JK Rolling
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  Speaker 2: in Potter More, which again, if you want to hear
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  Speaker 2: more about this, join our patreon and we'll be talking
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  Speaker 2: about it. So they actually do tend to go for
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  Speaker 2: like wizards. More, I think that where the difference might
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  Speaker 2: be is like the personality of who becomes the werewolf,
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  Speaker 2: because again kind of we'll talk about this a little
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  Speaker 2: bit too in the extended conversation, but looking at a
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  Speaker 2: were wolf like fen Rear gray Back, he's different and
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  Speaker 2: that as a human in his human form, he's also
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  Speaker 2: not a great person, right, and like he still attacks
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  Speaker 2: people in his human form, and so I think if
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  Speaker 2: you compare him to somebody like Lupin, who is, in
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  Speaker 2: my opinion, a good, kind hearted person, he is going
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  Speaker 2: to take the precautions when it's the time of the
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  Speaker 2: month to be isolated and to be locked away in
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  Speaker 2: a place that he can't hurt people. And again in
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  Speaker 2: our extended conversation, we'll talk a little bit about how
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  Speaker 2: the Ministry of Magic has tried to put regulations on
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  Speaker 2: were wolf's in that way to limit how much they attack.
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  Speaker 2: But when you have bad people who turn where wolf,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like those are where more of your attacks
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  Speaker 2: are going to come from, because they're not going to
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  Speaker 2: take those precautions to shelter themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and didn't like somebody in the books or something
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  Speaker 1: or I don't know where I read this, but didn't
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  Speaker 1: Gray Back like purposefully position himself near targets, like not
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  Speaker 1: just in the loop in situation. But wasn't that just
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  Speaker 1: kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Like a thing he did, Like Yeah, because he's near.
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  Speaker 1: Enough people before he turned so that when he turned,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: he'd have victims.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Right, It's just who he is, I mean, And there's
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: a reason I mean, And I think, like Jakerrah mentions
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: this in the The Werewolf Extended Writings on Patimore two,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: is that like he's somebody who literally keeps his The
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: film did a good job depicting this and kind of
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: depicting him still kind of looking animalistic even when he's
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: in human form, right, and like keeping his nails long
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: and almost like claws, and he's just like, I think
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: he's not maybe a good Repper presentation of like, Oh
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: he's not. I think he's just not a good representation
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: of the were wolves in general. I think they're more
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: maybe like Lupin's. So I think that that I could
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: see the like attacks on people still or wizards and
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: stuff still being maybe more rare because in the grand
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: scheme of things, people are taking the precautions to not
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: attack people, and then people are being turned and attacked
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: by the few that like enjoy it and don't take
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the precautions, which I'm sure is probably those group of
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: were wolves that then end up aligning themselves with Baltimore,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: which in the grand scheme of things I mean, might
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: be a small subset still of the entire werewolf population.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, But you know, either way, Remus does
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: go to Hogwarts. Whether he's the first or whatever, I
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: don't know, but he does attend Hogwarts. So he attends
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: From nineteen seventy one to nineteen seventy eight, he was
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: in Gryffindor House. We know that he was also a
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: prefect and obviously befriended James Potter, Serious Black and Peter
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Pettigrew at some point during his time at Hogwarts. He
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: did hide his condition from them at first, but they
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: did eventually find out about it and became anime guy
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to spend time with him and keep him company during
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the full moon.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: That's such a good fun move. I mean, like obviously,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: like ignoring Peter in this scenario, I mean, obviously he
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: still did this right, But like we've talked about this before,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Like becoming like an animegus is like very difficult, and
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: to have these four children be able to do it
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: is so crazy. And I think also just like the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: fact that they did it, like for like for Remus
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: because it and it works out well too because and
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: not to go too much into spoiling our extended conversation
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: because we want you to go listen to that, but
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: like this was such a good, like smart thing for
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: them to do, because like werewolves in Jkr's Wizarding World
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: like don't really attack regular animals, like they're very targeted
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: towards humans. So like the fact that these three even
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: like new and like learned enough to be like if
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: we become animals, even Peter becoming like a little rat that,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: like our big werewolf friend is not going to attack us.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's really sweet.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I did. I find it really interesting too, because obviously
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the Marauders, they've got their issues in regards to the
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: whole snape thing, but clearly they you know, here's a
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: situation where these teenagers or well these kids because you know,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: they probably met when they were like eleven, but they're
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: kind of taking in this situation where there could be
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: this prejudice and there is this prejudice in the Wizarding
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: World against wear wolves, and they don't care because they
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: know him, you know, that's their friend, and to them
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: that it just doesn't matter. I think that's a really
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: nice like I feel like when youth can kind of
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: get over so of these hurdles the society puts in place,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that's where things shift. So I think that's like a
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: really nice representation of that of like young people not
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: falling into those traps of prejudice that maybe the generations
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: before them did.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think that the whole way that where wolves
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: are written and represented in this story is one of
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: those moments that's just really good and really reflective of
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: real life in terms of just like mental health struggles
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: that come from having like a condition, feeling socially outcast
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: due to having a condition. What you just said, kids
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: not seeing that, being so innocent that they don't see
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: that and don't let that affect them is a really
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I really like the deeper meaning of like what Remus's
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: story kind of tells without explicitly saying.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: It, if we see that that happen again when he's
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: an adult with Hermione, she finds out, but in her
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: mind it's like he's an amazing teacher, He's a great person. Like,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to let this bit of information then
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: become the thing that like does that all in I'm
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: going to keep it to myself because as far as
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I'm concerned, he's great.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Right, So she doesn't care until all of a sudden
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, you're aligned with serious your friend telling everyone, yeah, yeah,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you know, but obviously it's got a protection for Harry, right.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: They think at this point that Sirius is looking to
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: murder Harry, which you know, obviously couldn't be further from
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: the truth. But yeah, and I think, like, because she's
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: also in eligent enough to know that. And again we'll
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: talk about this a little bit more in the extended
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: conversation about kind of just a general like prejudice that
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: kind of happens amongst were wolves and thoughts that people
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: have about them in were wolf form also transcending to
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: them in human form. But I think Hermione is smart
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: enough to know that, Like, you know, she's the one
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: that's going to like extra research were wolves, right and realize,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: you know, as a were wolf, you're not your human form.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: And I think that that is what helps her to
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: be able to see Remiss in that way. And then
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: also too, Yeah, our trio gets to really kind of
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: get to know Remis in a deeper level than others do,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: and so they know like who he is as a person, right,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, in my head, I'm like seeing the
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: you know, the scene in especially in the film. I'm
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: seeing like Gary Oldman in my mind, and when we're
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: seeing Lupin's transformation, and you know, what is serious immediately
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: do right, like tries to talk reason, knowing that it's
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: not going to work once he's a full blown werewolf,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: but trying to talk this reason of like hey, as
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: you're transforming, Please don't forget who you are this, you
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. So I think that always was
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: such a driving factor to them. It's like, we know,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: we're not going to be scared of him because we
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: know who he really is. And they weren't scared of him.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: In fact, they like, yeah again, they did what they
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: could do to help him through that situation, which is
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: just I don't know, it's just very sweet from like
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: a friend perspective, even given Peter. Now again, did he
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: just do it because he wanted to remain in the
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: friend group or did he genuinely care. That's up for debate,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: but either way, he was there, and.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so obviously, you know, not only did the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Marauders become anime anime guy and a magi and a
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: me guy. I don't know, but you know what we're saying, Yeah,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, but they also invented the Marauders map,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: and they documented the grounds and the castle as they
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: discovered its secrets during their nighttime wanderings.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Which this is also crazy. I mean, I know that
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: we talked about the Marauders map and definitely talked about
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: like our items and like artifacts in the Wizarding World.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: But like again to think of like four children like
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: somehow coming up with this magic that literally is perfect,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: like we hear like the map never lies. It's just
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think sometimes like the four of them,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: like they like deserve their credits for like how intelligent
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: they are. I mean again, between figuring out how to
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: become animegus anime guy again, you know what we're talking about,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: and then like making this map, Like I just God,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I want that Marauder's story so much because I just
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: want to see the creation of this, Like I just
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: want to know how did they do it?
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I I think too, like kind of bringing this background
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: to Remis, it's interesting to me, like knowing how the
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: rest of that friend group is that Remus is part
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: of it because he's so much more like serious than
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: they are. I feel like, and he's the prefect. He's
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: kind of like the voice of reason in the group,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: but at the same time, he's the reason they're breaking
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: like so many school rules.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: But like the thing is though, like to parallel Remis
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: a little bit with like Hermione, Like I feel like
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that's the same, Like she's such a intelligent rule follower,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: like right, but like if you really think about it,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: like how many times, like did they actually break rules
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: because of Hermione? Like let's just think of the whole
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: polyjuice potion thing, Like she was in there brewing up
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: that polyjuice potion, which is like wildly against school rules.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: So it's like, I think, like the good kids can
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: also be a little bad, especially when it comes to
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: like their friends. Yes, and I just love that. I
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: think there's so many parallels between like school adreamus and
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: like Hermione in that way. But I think he still
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: was probably the moral compass of the group.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact quote, but when I was
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: researching for this, I found a quote from JK. Rowling
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: from an interview where she basically said, uh remas Sloopin,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: as this character flaw in, that he so desperately wants
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: to be liked by people that when people do like him,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: he kind of overlooks quite a bit about them.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: You don't want to lose that, Like I could totally
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: see him.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: So he overlooks some of the stupid things that like
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: James and Sirius do.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Because it's better than not having anybody.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and he cuts that slack.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I would too, I think, especially like being given like
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: his situation is so much more than just I don't know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I think like again to I don't know, I guess
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: to compare him to somebody like Luna, Right, So we
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: see Luna, who doesn't really fit in with a lot
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: of people, doesn't really have a lot of friends, because
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: it's just like she's just unique, right and has in
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: a little like her quirks, which we love her for
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: but obviously know that that doesn't always make for fast friends.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: But I think like in Lupin's scenario, it's so much
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: more elevated in that way, like because of his condition
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: of being a were wolf, Like it's so hard to
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like if I was a kid and
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: a were wolf, like I would just so much want
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: as much of my life as possible to feel normal
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: because it's so not normal. And then to find people
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: who you can actually share that secret with, Like just
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: the power of being able to like confide in somebody
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: and them not like you said, not judge, not run away,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: like not be scared. Just the amount of like relief
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: that like he must have felt just knowing that like
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: these three, these three guys know me, they know what's
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: going on with me. I have somebody here when I'm
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: away from my family that can support me, like I
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: would do anything to not lose that too. But I
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: could also see him being like, Okay, you guys, go
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: do that, and I'm gonna go hang back, tell me
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: how it is after, and I promise I won't tell
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: on you, but I'm gonna pretend like I don't know
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: what you're doing. Like, I also can see him being
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: that kind of person. And I could also see like
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: James and serious, just like teasing the heck out of
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: him for being such a like goodie two shoes or
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: like a good boy. I don't know if I see
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: him participating all the time in the mischief, but I
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: can see him being like, I don't see what you're doing.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: If I don't see, I don't know. Yeah, have a good.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Night, right, which I think to speaking of like not
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: really participating. Like I think the loopin snape dynamic is
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: so interesting because Lupin's not actively engaged in this whole
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: snape bullying situation.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: No, he's just like guilty by association.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: He's just kind of there, Like the issue is really
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: between Snape and James and serious, but it's like.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Snape is going to form that grudge because
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: it's like they're just seen as like this unit.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: And do we think, like, because obviously we know about
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the whole prank situation, Lupin was not in on that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Obviously he was transforming on the other side of the tunnel,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: But do we think that Snape believes that Lupin was
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: in on that as the werewolf of the group, and that, like.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I think, so that's what I'm saying. I think for Snape,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: it like Lupin was always going to be guilty by
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: association because they were just again, like I said, they
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: were just seen as such a like umpenetrable unit that
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I think absolutely Snape believed that Lupin was in on
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: it in some way and wouldn't have ever been convinced otherwise.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: And I think that's why we continue to see there
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: being this tension between them as adults, because I think
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Snape still has that grudge. I mean maybe too, I
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: mean maybe maybe the grudge comes from you knew what
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: they were doing and you didn't stop them, Like it
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: could also be that too, like even if I didn't
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: physically see you there. You weren't physically part of it.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: You were their best friend. You knew what they were
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: doing to me, and you never stood up. And I
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: could also see that being or causing a grudge that
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: continues on as well. So I don't know, maybe he doesn't.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I think it could be either way. I think he
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: could believe that Lupin was also directly involved even if
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: he wasn't physically involved. Or it could be like I said,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: he just is upset that Lupin didn't step in. Yeah,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: either way, we know he hates some so.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So after Lupin graduates Hogwarts, he joins the Order
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: of the Phoenix, so he was an active member during
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the First Wizarding War. We do know that his leycothropy
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: made it really difficult to hold a regular job, which
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: is probably why he in his possession are usually described
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: as tattered or worn. So he is, unfortunately, due to
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: his condition, experiencing poverty in his adulthood.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Which this this It's as funny as somebody who in
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: like my Muggle life, has worked in a HR like.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I've been an HR manager before, and I've worked with
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of team members on eighty a accommodations right
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: in their job. And I think of this, and you know,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: again to not bring into too much of when we
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: talk about like like anthropy and the Wizarding World, but
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: it's not just a this one night I'm incapacitated. Like
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: we know that leading up to the night of transformation,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: you're not really feeling your best, and then after the
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: transformation is over, you're still not really feeling your best.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: So if you think about it in terms of like
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Muggle life, like current Muggle life, and I think about
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: it in like my job when I was an HR manager, Right,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: you have this person who's going to be missing work
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: for sure once a month, but also probably the days
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: leading up to and definitely the days leading after, and
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: so then you start to establish a pattern and lots
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: of times, you know, without an accommodation. If there's a
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: pattern that's established in the workplace, it leads to accountability, right,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: And so I can think that it would be very difficult.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: And I think the other problem here is that you know,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: the where wolves were not necessarily open about their condition
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: or wanting to be open about their condition because there
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: was so much shame and like societal ostrisation. If that's
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: the right word. That happens, so like to even go
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: to your employer to request the accommodation, Now you don't
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: always have to, like, and now I'm talking about real
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: world examples here, right, Like when you're when you're requesting
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: an accommodation, you don't necessarily always have to share your diagnosis.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: You just kind of need to share a little bit
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: more about what your restrictions are. But let's also be
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: real here, right, Like if you're saying, well, every month
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: when there's a full moon, I can't work, Like I like,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: how do you go about describing this very uh like
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: repetitive kind of thing at the exact same particular time
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: to an employer who's also in the wizarding community and
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: is aware of werewolves? Like, how do you even approach that?
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: So I feel like sometimes it's easier to just not
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: bring it up at all, or not bring up the
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: And of course I don't know what ada accommodations are
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: like in the wizarding world, but sometimes I could see
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: how it's like maybe easier to not even bring it
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: up because you don't want to create suspicion. I mean,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: look at like even what happened when he had this
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: job at Hogwarts, Like people who were aware of like
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Entropy suspected he was aware of because of the patterns
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: they were picking up. Right, So then you just don't
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: tell your employer and then you end up getting terminated
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: because you're having attendance issues.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: And if you're not terminated because of attendance issues, you're
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: terminated because somebody found out the real reason.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: So it's like, right and either day you're being discriminated
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: against in the work Sorry, this is what I don't
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: think the wizard also, they don't they're not they don't
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: have an integrity hotline doarment like we do in the
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Wizarding World. But I think about this so yeah, so much,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: because it's like literally, like my everyday muggle job is
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: that like one percent? I think like then, I think
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: it's very easy for were wolves to start experiencing discrimination
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: in the workplace. And instead of there being uh laws
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: and protections in the Wizarding World like we have, you know,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: in the real world, I think it's just a hey,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: you are causing too much of a disruption in this workplace,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: we need to terminate your employment.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean we do know that. He you know,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: is a great employee other than that, because he was
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: an excellent teacher when Dumbledore hired him. But again, that
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: situation ended when you know, it came out about his
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: condition and he decided to resign rather than.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Face the Yeah, and it's just like it's, you know,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: it's one of those things that's just a shame that
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: there is just so much prejudice that has developed in
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: the wizarding world around it, which again I under like
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: I get, like I could get how like parents of
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Hogwarts kids would be kind of nervous that one of
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: the professors turns into a were wolf every month.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: And giving at the school, is.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Living at the school. And again, as we know, I
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: think if I think if when you transformed into the
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: were wolf, you still maintained your human consciousness, we would
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: not have the prejudice and societal outcast, uh fear negative
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: feelings about were wolves that we do, right, I think
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: it's really because you do not maintain your human morals
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: and values and consciousness and you do kind of just
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: become this animalistic creature. But also at the same time,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, but like, do you really think that
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Hogwarts is not going to put something in place? To
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: accommodate and protect the other students, which they did and
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: we know that they did. And then but I guess
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I can see, I can see why there's so much
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: fear around were wolves. But I also at the same
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: time think it's unfair how much I don't know, I guess,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: like right, I guess just how much prejudice and shame
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: there is about it, because again I think it comes
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: from a fear and a lack of understanding. Yeah, and again,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: it doesn't help that there's were wolves like fen Rear
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: gray Back that don't try to protect other people and
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: actually uses their werewolf is in an evil way. It
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: does not help that there are were wolves that are
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: like that. I think if all the were wolves were like,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: we're going to make sure that we're locking ourselves up
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: once a month so that we don't hurt anybody, then
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: maybe like the wizarding community wouldn't feel so strongly and
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: be so afraid of them. But I don't know. I mean,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: then to imagine you get the timing wrong and you
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: think it's not the time that you're going to transform,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: and you're like on vacation with your family, but then
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: it is the time, like there's a lot of like
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: scary unknowns there. But yeah, it's just a shame because
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I think Lupin could bring so much to any employer
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: just from his how smart he is and just the
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: type of you know, person that he is. But unfortunately, yeah,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a condition that was always
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: going to impact.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: That, and it's unfortunate because you know, he's already got
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: this condition that makes him an outcast and people form
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: immediate judgments about him based on the condition. Now you've
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: got the added situation of being impoverished at the same time,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: which also comes with its full gimmut of judgments in
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: itself too, So it's like.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: He's just.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like he only kind of had to battle
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: the one as a child. But then I'm assuming, you know,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: his parents probably didn't live forever. They couldn't take care
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: of him once he reached adulthood, so it's like, then
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: he's in the another situation, and it's yeah, it gets
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: hard to climb out of.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: That, right, especially because it's just a perpetual cycle and
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: you can't break out of it because you have this
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: condition that can't be treated, and it's like, you know,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: regardless of how many potions have been developed to try
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: to help. There's nothing the wizarding world has not found
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: a cure for it, right, So, like it's something that
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: you know you're going to have to deal with, And
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I would really love to know like how his father
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: handled it, and like what the relationship with his father
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: maybe looked like, because, as you mentioned earlier, you know,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: his father had this you know, you're referred to it
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: as this passionate monologue, you know, where he talked about
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: wherewolves being evil and soulless and just you know, deserve
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: nothing but death. And then he's faced with the very
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: real reality that his son is now part of that group.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Did that change his perspective? Did it not? But he
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: tried his best to not let that perspective affect his
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: relationship with Remis, which is probably hard to not let
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: it fully affect it. Did Remus know how his what
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: his father had previously said, Like, I'm just I want
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: to know more about like how Lyle's perception or thoughts
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: about it changed after Remis was turned.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: And I feel like that's such a hard situation because
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: in a way, gray Back proved him right by taking
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: that going after his son. But then it's like, yeah,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: he knows his son is not evil and soulless, but
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: the other were wolves out there in his probably still
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: are because this happened.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Right, It's like it only in a way what happened
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: only further cements his opinion about it. But then it's
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: just like, you know, as Remus was growing up, like,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: could he still look at his son the same way, like,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you have such if he if he
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: felt that so strongly in a way that became even
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: more stronger and solidified after what happened to Remis, Like
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: was he able to fully put that aside when talking
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: with Remus or was it always in the back of
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: his mind that like, well, once a month you become
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: that creature too. You know. It's just I would love
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: to like understand more the like psychology of the father, right,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: and just how can you like I can't even imagine
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: like kind of like what that mental battle maybe that
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: he had about it, especially if you know, we don't
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: know enough about them as parents and enough about them
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: in terms of you know, how like their relationship with
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: remas like we just don't know enough there. But yeah,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: like I mean, was it he had to put on
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: a brave face every time he was, you know, talking
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: with Remus about his lic nthropy or helping him come
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: out of a transition like I just.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: And he had to deal with knowing that it was
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: his fault that his son now has a.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is such a like heavy burden
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: to bear, but while at the same time, like to
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: your point, probably still like being like, okay, but it's
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: not enough for me to to say I'm sorry I
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: said that. It's more of a I even feel that
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: even stronger now, and like, how do you work through
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: that feeling of I feel so strongly against these things
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: that my son has now become because of something I said.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: But I still feel those very things, and I still
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I still believe what I said, but look at the
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: consequences of my action, but I still believe. Like it's
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: a mental gymnastics of how you handle that, And I'm
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: sure some of that had to affect how Remus felt. Again,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: were wolves in general, most of them do feel shame
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: and do keep their condition hidden for these very reasons.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: But I can't imagine that, like I don't know, It's like,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: did Remus ever overhear a conversation between his parents or
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: hear his dad say something, or like I just wonder
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: how much like his dad's opinion also impacted just his
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: thought process, like for his whole life, even more than
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: it already would have been impacted just by being a
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: were wolf. You know, I don't know. I think there's
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of there's a lot of interesting things that
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: could be there in terms of like his parents and
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: how yeah, how do parents of werewolf children navigate that situation?
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Things I've never thought about relevantil just right now. But
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: it's like but then it's like, you know, as he
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: started to you know, to kind of go back to
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: what we were talking about, like having trouble holding a job,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: like when his parents like were still around, Like what
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: did that look like?
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Did they support him because they knew the reason it
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: was hard for him to hold a job was because
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: of his lic entropy? Or did they were they discouraged
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: that their son had become this person unable to hold
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: a job and really take you know what I mean,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: like what did that? What did that look like? I
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: would hope that they were supportive in that, like knowing
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: the reason why it wasn't because he was lazy or
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: you know wasn't trying to put any effort in, but yeah,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: I think like his did he have support, did he
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: have a strong support system outside of James, Sirius and Peter,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: because then obviously we know Peter then goes on to
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: break that trust and which is a whole other thing.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I want to know more about his parents
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: because I think that there's a lot of like I mean,
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: we'll never I will never know, like we'll never learn
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: more about his parents. I don't think that's a hot
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: story to tell.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: But unless we get the Marauders TV.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Show, unless we get the Marauders TV show, absolutely I
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: think that's such a good thing to explore because I
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: think that would fully impact the rest of his.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Entire life, is what that support system looked liked from
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: his family, right, because his friends can only go so far,
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, well, I don't even
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: remember what we were talking about before we tangent.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so I mean, oh yeah.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Him having trouble holding a job, that's that entire.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: But I mean obviously traditional employment not going well. But
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: he does work for the Order of the Phoenix again
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: a second time during Valdemort's second rise to power, and
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: his job within the Order is kind of this assignment
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: to go try and infiltrate this group of where wolves,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: and specifically I believe they're connected to gray Back, which
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: must have been difficult for him to kind of be
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: among them and associate with them, knowing what gray Back
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: did to him. But the idea was if he could
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: get in with these wolves and gain their trust, maybe
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: he could learn a little bit about Voldemort's plans.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: And I could see this being a I could see
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: this being a positive thing to feel like, I'm this
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: this condition has negatively affected my entire life, but here's
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: like the one thing that I can use my condition
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: like for good, right, And I hope that for Remus
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: this was a positive thing for him in that knowing
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: basically what I just said, right like that I can
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: I can help out this cause in this way that
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: no one else can. And it's such an important it
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: is such an important task, and it's such an important
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: thing because we know how much we know how important
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: gray Back becomes in the Death Eater sphere, right, So
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: like this is a very important thing for him to do.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: And I just I don't know. I just hope that
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Remus felt that and how important he is, and how
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: I agree that that must have been very challenging, knowing
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: that you're having to try to befriend the person who
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: made you what you are and has literally ruined like
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: your entire life for lack of a better term. But like, yeah,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: like of course he of course he was going to
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: be part of course he was going to be part
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: of the Order of the Phoenix, Like of course he was.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: And just yeah, I don't know, to be able to
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: help out in this way, like it's like when you
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: are able to turn a negative into a good. And
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: I just hope he thought of it that way. I
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: know he's not a real person, like he's a real person,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: but I hope he thought of it that way.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I do feel like we start to see the toll
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: that this takes on him though in the books, like
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: he's always like described as looking tired and drawn and
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: like all that, and like so he probably like I'm
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: sure he knew that what he was doing was important,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: but I do think that he sort of resented being
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: sent into this situation and for sure, like yeah, it
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: had to have been difficult too, like just knowing what
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: kinds of were wolves these were and for him to
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: have to sit there and be like, Okay, I've spent
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: my life trying to convince people that I'm not like
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: this just because I'm a were wolf. But now I'm
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: sitting here and I'm listening to the things that these
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: were wolves are saying and seeing what they're doing, and
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing and understanding why wizards are scared of people
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: like me. Like that can't have been easy.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: I think that I know, and like again, I mean,
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about this more in the extended conversation, but
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: like things, there were attempts made in history to kind
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: of like uh form support groups for wear wolves, but
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: people didn't join because they didn't want to out themselves
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: as a were wolves. But I think of how important
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: that actually like would have been, because I think to
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: your point, right, like obviously these like bad were wolves
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: kind of all found each other because of a being
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: part of something larger, right, So like it's like I
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: feel like they didn't necessarily find each other because they
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: were were wolves. It's kind of like we joined this
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: club of death eaters and then we're this like subset
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: click in the death theater club. Right, Whereas I always
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: I think about, you know, how much if if where
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: wolves weren't so afraid to share their conditions so that
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: they could find others like them and build a support
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: system of others like them. I mean, we see in
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: real world the benefit of that, right, Like, you know,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: I think of, you know, I'm part of Facebook groups
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: for like my chronic illness, right, and to be able
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: to like even read about other people's stories and experiences,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: or just seeing how many other people you know are
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: dealing with the same condition that I have. Like, I
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: just think about how beneficial that could be for were
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: wolves and for remiss right to like think of how
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: mentally impactful it could be for him to sit around
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: a table with were wolves like him and realize, like, okay, no,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: like we aren't all bad. The majority of them probably
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: aren't bad, right, But it's like it's so hard for
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: them to find those connections because they're such shame of
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: outing yourself, and you have to out yourself to be
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: able to find those connections, and so it's this vicious cycle.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: And so I could I could totally see how if
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: he's never really had any like any he has never
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: had any good experiences with other good kind werewolves to
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: then sit in the space with everybody who is living
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: up to the stereotype. I think I could see him
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: internalizing that as well and being like, wow, like we
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: are just as bad as everybody says we are, and
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: like forgetting like who he truly is.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like we start to see the
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: effects of that on him mentally in how he conducts
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: himself with Tonks, absolutely, because you know, we know that,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: like there's romantic feelings there. She's like very much like,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: let's give this a go, and he's very much like,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not good enough for you, you don't want me right,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: And I think that that environment that he's in has
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: really contributed to that. Like I'd be curious to see
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: if a lot of their issues would have been there
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: at all had they met another different time, or if
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: or again, if.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: He had some werewolf friends, good werewolf friends that were
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: in relationships or married to humans or witch or wizards
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: or witches, and then I think that would affect how
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: he approached that relationship with Tonks because he would have
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: seen that represented before. But it's like all his representation
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: is really just this negative side of it, and so
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: of course he's gonna think I'm not good enough for you,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: And of course Talks is going to be like, you know,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: let me be the judge of that. Who are you
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: to tell me? How? I think? You know?
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Like, and this is one of those side stories that
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: I feel like I want to know so much more about,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: like just their progression as a couple, because we don't
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: get to see that. We only get to see Tonks
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: being like upset and then like we get the big
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: reveal when you know Bill has bitten and Fleur is
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: like I don't care and marrying him anyway, and Tongs
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: is like, see.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: You idiot, why can't you be like that?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: So like I would love to see like the full
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: like progression of how this all took place.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Well, right, because it's like we know, we know, like mentally,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: what is driving remus to feel that way? It's all
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: the things we've talked about, right, I mean, whether it's
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: his the things with his dad, like the fact that
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: he's being a he has to be around these other
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: werewolves that are not good, the fact that he never
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: really you know. But it's but at the same time,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: it's interesting because like he has experienced being accepted, right
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: because he was accepted in this friend group but then
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: ultimately what happens there too one of them literally turns
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: on them in the worst way possible, and I think
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: things like that. Of course that had nothing to do
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: with Lupin being a were wolf, but like I guess,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: imagine psychologically how that can affect somebody where it's like
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: I finally met these people that you know are fully
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: supportive of everybody, and then literally one of them does
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: the worst thing imaginable next to actually you know. So
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: it's I just think that his his just upbringing and
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: everything in his life one hundred percent affected how he
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: approached him with Tonks, And I think that if he
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: had had more support or more positive experiences throughout his life,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: I think that it would have been very different.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: And I think too we have to think this isn't
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: just the were wolf issue that's at play here in
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: the relationship. This is also the age. And also if
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: he can't hold a job, I would imagine he be
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: scared that he's going, yeah, that she's going to carry
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: that whole burden, and if they have a family, it's
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: going to be down to her to financially support the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: entire family. So I think that there's a lot more
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: at play here than just you know, I don't want
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: you to marry me a were wolf. I think there's
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: more layers than that. And this is also where it
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: comes back to his parents, and I would be curious
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: is obviously him being a were wolf probably socially affected
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: his parents as well. I'm sure they became societal outcasts too.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: I think he has this fear that his family tunks
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: her parents, like everyone connected to them, were they to
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: get married, would also be societal outcasts. But it's funny
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: because they already are in a lot of ways because
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: they've aligned with Dumbledore because Tonks's father is a Muggle
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: and her mother was the pure blood who married the Muggle,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: So they're already outcast in like cast aside from the
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: entire Black family. So it's like, it's just so interesting
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: that that's what he's worried about, but in so many
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: ways they already are that, so like, what does it matter?
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: Just's in a different way, right does he think his
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: does he think his reason for being outcast is worse
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: than her reason? So it's like, Okay, you're already kind
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: of outcast, but you're going to become even more outcast
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: if you then associate with a werewolf, like, what are
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: you doing? And I think too, it's just I think it.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: I think, of course he's does not feel that he's
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: deserving of love, or deserving of having a family, or
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: deserving of any of that. And I'm glad that, you know,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: again like to your point of like wish we knew
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: more about what changed? Did he eventually open up to
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: her more about things so that you know, or what
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: like what happened to you know eventually change this because
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: we know they do end up getting married like they
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: do end up you know, starting a family, which again tragedy,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: but like something happened, right, something changed where like he
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: realized I don't know, I could see him still thinking
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: he's not worthy of it and in anything, but obviously
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: something changed enough for him to be like, Okay, I'm
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: going to finally give in. We can be together.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: And it does seem like the Bill and Fleur situation
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: was the catalyst for that, and he did kind of
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: believe that that was something that could be possible. But
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: when I started questioning himself again afterwards, its.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Right, because at the end of the day, his root
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: problem is that he thinks he's such a problem But
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: that's what I mean too about I think that if
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: he had been able to have more like positive experiences
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: with other werewolves throughout his life, I think he would
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent would think differently because to that point,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: as soon as he saw this positive thing between Flur
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: and Bill, it made him start to be like okay,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: like I okay, we can do this. But then he's
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: too like the negative is too ingrained. It's like he
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: he was never going to be able to fully change.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he accepted the possibility of a happy ending for
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: him in talks, but then as soon as a baby
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: was introduced into the mix, I was like, oh no,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: oh boy, another person. No no, this one can't be
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: an outcast too. I'm out of here.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: And which I mean, I get that though, right because
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: it's like, you don't not to bring up like curse Child,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: but I'm gonna bring up Curse Child if you I mean,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: if you got like to our listeners, if you've been
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: listening for a while, you know, I'm gonna bring up
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: Curse Child. But like, there's so many things that we
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: so many themes that we explore, and Curse Child that
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: like also it could apply to like Teddy Lupin right,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: And I think that like Remus saw it in this way. Right,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: It's one thing for for Tnks, an adult, to say,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: I am standing with you, I don't care what people think.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: It's another to then have a child who Again, the biggest,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: one of the biggest themes we explore in Curse Child
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: is how how like Elvis and Scorpius are like affected
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: by the idea that people have about their fathers and
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: the legacy of their fathers, both good and bad. Right,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: So I think one hundred percent like Remus is going
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: to think, Okay, we're going to bring this innocent child
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: into the world. He's immediately he or she you know,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: is immediately going to be burdened by oh I heard
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: your dad's a werewolf, Like you know what I mean?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Like kids can be me like and it's like and
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: then you've got this kid who can't. The kid didn't
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: choose it, right, The kid didn't choose to be born
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: into a family with a were wolf, where Tonks is
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: choosing him. And I can totally see how Remus is, like,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: so we're going to bring a child in, They're going
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: to have to deal with the burden of their dad
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: being a were wolf. They're going to have to deal
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: with the burden of like having to keep that secret
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: from their friends and everyone around them.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: They could potentially have traits of being a werewolf at
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: that point, they didn't know. That's another worry.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Again, I don't want write and I don't want to
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: again get too far into our extended discussion, but that
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: also is part of the extended discussion. But right for them,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: they didn't do enough research to really find out, like,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: is this genetic? But I could totally see Remus being like,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: I don't want to test it out, but I don't
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: want to test if it is, and I don't want
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: to inflict it on somebody else.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: All of your points they've just brought up. That is
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: exactly why I can never be a Remis hater, because
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: as much as it sucks, I understand why he had
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: this meltdown and why he tried to go run off
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: with Harry, because it's heavy, it's a lot, and I
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: think he was ready mentally fragile in oh, of course,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: the entire situation anyway, and then he just I could
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: see him initially being excite about having a baby but
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: then just immediately spiraling, which I think once.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: You take the time, yes, once you take the time
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: to sit and actually think about it, right, Like I mean,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: that's anybody with any big decision. Right at first it
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: sounds so exciting, but then once you stop and actually
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: like think about it, and we know Remus is so intelligent,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: like you know that he was. He was going through
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: and thinking of every option and like, you know how
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: all this can can look And I think the last
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: thing and again kind of going back to his father
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: and why I wish we knew more about what that
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: relationship looked like after because I wonder if his father
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: had ever expressed to him feeling like, you know, I'm
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: the reason that you, like we said, right, I'm the
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: reason that this is what you're dealing with. You know,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: you're the I'm the reason that you now have this burden.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: And if his father ever expressed that to him and
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: verbalized that one hundred percent, I can see Remus internalizing
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: that and being like, I don't want to become my father,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Like I don't want to feel for the rest of
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: my life that even if his even if his son
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: was not going to become a werewolf, right, but even
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: just the mental load, the mental burden the societal anything
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: that could have happened. I can see Remus being like,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be like my father and now
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: spend the rest of my life feeling like I'm the
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: reason why you don't have friends while you're being picked on,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: why you're outcast, because he one hundred percent would blame
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: him and say that I'm the reason for that. And
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: that does make me wonder if his like again, if
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: his father ever expressed that to him.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: I wonder too, if he had a bit of a
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: fear of what things would look like after this war
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: was over, because the were wolves well we know, you know,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: at least the Gray Back aligned where wolves aligned themselves
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: with Voldemart and the Death Theaters. So I could see
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: him thinking, too, Okay, if we win this war, obviously
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: we need to win this war, but what does that
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: mean for me and my family when all the other
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: werewolves were on the other side? Are we going to become,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: you know, these pariahs of the good side of the
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: wizarding world, because they're gonna want nothing to do with
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: us after fighting off all these other were wolves with
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: the Death Eaters, Like, I can see you trying to
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: think through that and what does that look like too?
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: I think also like the opposite side too, like what like,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: let's just think like what happens if Valdemore wins this
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: war and then I don't know, I think of like
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: and again here I am always bringing up other things, right,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: but I think of like the Lion King, right, think
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: about when like Scar takes over Pride Rock and just
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: you know his minions the hyenas, right, Like, let's just
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: let's just make the comparison of like the hyenas being
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: like the were wolves, and like how much the hyenas
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: just took over the place. And you know, if you
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: weren't aligned, you're against us, and I just I could see.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: I also think like again, I think of like Star Wars,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: and I think about like when the when the Empire
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: like kind of does take over and then you know,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: they form this you know, I'm going to try to
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: not nerd out too much here, but they you know,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: under Darth Vader, they form this inquisitorial squad and they
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: go out and they seek out you know, Jedi to
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: like get rid of them. And I just think of like, okay,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: let's just think like Voldemor wins, right, and then all
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: of these bad gray back aligned were wolves are sent
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: to go seek out and find the other were wolves
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: and like, either you join us or like right, you know,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: like and then I could see loop and having that
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: fear too. What happens to me and my family if
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: if we don't win and I don't and I refuse
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: to align with those werewolves that now become this higher
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: place in society because they have a leader who is Yeah,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: dark creatures, go have at it. Like, I can see
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: both sides being really really scary either way. Yeah, I agree,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: it's a tough position. Like, I don't think there's any
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: I can see how to him, there was no right
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: choice but to not have a kid, to just not
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: even introduce that that element. There's too many unknowns.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, at the end of the day,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: he does go back to Tonks in his unborn child,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: and I think that speaks volumes about his character and
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: that he had this panic moment. But when kind of
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: confronted and given the tough love from Harry that he
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: needed in that moment, he did go back to his
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: family and he stayed with them for you know, the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: rest of his time. That's sad and depressing, but he
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: you know, he yeah, he ended up you know, joining
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: with the Potter Watch Crew and trying to contribute to
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: the cause in that way as well, getting information out
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: to the wizarding world, and ultimately we see him celebrating
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: the birth of his son at Shell Cottage.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: So because I think it's just another example of like,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: obviously we know one of the biggest themes of Harry
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Potter is like, like as cliche as it sounds, like
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: love conquering all and being familiar logic, Yeah, familiar love
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: and being the ultimate magic. And we know that really
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: the whole catalyst of this whole story is a mother
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: sacrifice and love for a kid. Without that, we wouldn't
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: even have this story, right, So I think that it
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: makes sense that in the end, Remis came around and
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: realized when really confronted with it, like the love that
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: I have for my family, and like the love that
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: my family, and I think that even goes beyond it
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: goes beyond just Tonks and like a baby they might
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: have together, right, I think it goes to like this
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: extended family that he also gained in like Harry and
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: all of them, because especially like you just talked about
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: like not only does he go back to them, but
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: he also joins the extended family, right and Potter Watch
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: and everything. So like, I think that he probably had
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: this moment of like that triumphs my condition, and I
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: think that it really probably just took like really finding
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: like again like that community and that support system to
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: like really really like what was really important here, Like
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: He's not just and I'm such a component of like
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: anybody that has any condition, right, Like, You're not your condition.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Your condition is one I don't want to get emotional
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: talking about this, but any condition that you have is
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: only one part of you, and it's not who you are.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: You're not defined by it. There's so many other aspects
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: of you that are important regardless of any condition that
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: you have. You know, something that like we talk a
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: lot about in like the mental health community, and like
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: when I was in college, I ran a chapter of
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: a mental health organization that was really focused on erasing
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: the stigma of mental health. And one of the biggest
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: things we talked about is like, you know, saying something
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: like changing the narrative, right, instead of saying, like, you know,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: if I'm like hi, I'm Nicole, and I am an
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: anxious person, you know, and just the different connotation to
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: that to saying, like, you know, I have anxiety. Right,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: There's something very different about saying like, you know, this
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: is something that's part of me, rather than using that
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: to define yourself. And I think that's the same with
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: like people that in the wizarding world that have like
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: anthropy and our were wolves, like you know, and I mean,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: I guess like I've been thinking about it the whole
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: time because we've been just like referring to them as
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: were wolves. And I don't think of Lupin as a
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: were wolf, right right. I think of him as as
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: right as a human wizard who sometimes is a were wolf.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: And I think that like that's that's a way that
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: he and other were wolves need to start thinking again.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: I'm talking like this is a real thing, and like
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: I'm telling something to do this, but you know, to
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: us it's real, right, you know, Dumbledore even told us
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: just because it's happening inside our head doesn't mean it's real.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: So I think that, you know, he maybe he had
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: that moment of realizing, like there is so much more
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: to me and so much more to life than this
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: condition I have that affects me a couple days out
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: of the month, right, And I hope that he had
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: that realization because it's so true, like he's not were
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: wolf Lupin, He's Loopin who sometimes is a were wolf, right.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: And I think that maybe Tonks and Harry and all
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: of them maybe finally got him to see that about himself.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: And then it's so sad that that tragically was cut
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: so short after that.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: But I do think, yes, I think by the end,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: I think he maybe hadn't fully come to terms with
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: who he is, but I think that he he did
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: accept the love. I think he accepted the love from Tonks.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, they were fully their little family unit,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: and I feel like we see that in the end,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: and we see that in the interactions at the Battle
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: of Hogwarts, and like at least that happened before their
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: end end.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's so sad we couldn't. I feel like
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: he was making such a turning point, and it's like
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: so sad that like we didn't get to see like
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: what that turning point was turning into. And I just
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: I am such like a believer that like if he
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: had survived the Battle of Hogwarts and was able to
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: be like there for parenting Teddy and all of that.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: I really feel like in the long run, like he
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: would have made like such strides, Like I think that
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: like actually becoming the parent would have erased I think
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: he would have still had a lot of those fears
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: and you know, of being the burden and what his
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: condition would would how it would impact his child's life.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: But I truly believe it really wouldn't impact Teddy's life
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: as much as he thinks. And I think that it's
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: like right, like we're so and I'm the same right way, right,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Like I live so much in my head and I'm
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: trying to plan out everything in my head, and sometimes
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: you just need to experience the thing to really see
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: what the outcome was. And I truly believe if he
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: had just been able to experience that with Teddy, like
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: I think we would have really seen like such positive
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: like future for Lupin because it just I just think
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: his worst fears were in his head and they weren't
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: going to actually play out.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean think about it, Like Teddy, Lupin is
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: surrounded by all these people that his parents were connected to,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: so when he went to school, he would have had
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: the Weasley's, the Potters, the love Goods, Like you know,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: he would have had all these kids of the people
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: that his parents knew, and those kids would accept him,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: so oh absolutely, So like I don't think he would
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: have had problems at Hogwarts, like maybe here and there,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: but like I think he wouldn't have been like shunned.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: He would have had his group and he would have
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: been accepted in and a lot of I think he
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: would have been accepted by a lot of people by
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: extension because those big name people accepted him. I think
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: he would have reaped the benefits of that.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: So when I hate that, like Remis couldn't and again
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: obviously were in his head, so we don't know, and
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: obviously this whole thing is speculation, right, But I hate
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: that like he struggled to see that, because yes, I
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: can see like Remis thinking about it as when I
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: first went to Hogwarts, I was alone, and I had
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: it hard because not only was I alone, but I
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: was also awarewolf. But then despite that, again circling back
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: to what we talked about at the beginning, he found
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: this amazing group of friends who accepted him and loved him.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: And literally, like we've talked about did crazy magic to
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: be able to support and be there, And so it's
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: it like pains me that Remus still felt like or
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: possibly again still felt so much like he his like
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: his child was maybe not going to find that when
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: he did, right, you know.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: And it's not an adult not like he was surrounded
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: by the Order of the Phoenix. He had this like
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: found family that's all accepted and loved him, but he.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: Had so much self doubt that like, and I understand that,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Like I understand how you could have people literally looking
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: at you in the face telling you how much they
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: love you, how much they care about you, and you
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: still feel that self doubt or you still feel like
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: alone in it or whatever. Like I completely understand how
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: he could have still felt that way despite all these
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: people being there and being to bat for him. I
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: can imagine like James and Sirius especially but also Peter too,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: having so many conversations with him about like buddy, like
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: we're not going to leave you, like you're stuck with us, right,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: We're not going anywhere, and and Remus still not believing
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: it even though they were telling him, they were showing him.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: It's just sometimes like that seed of self doubt can
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: just be so strong it doesn't matter. But like, but
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: I think deep down he knew. That's why, like we
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: talked about, he wasn't going to do anything to lose that.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: But it's just it's sad that, like he's still worried
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: so much about again, yeah, how a child would be affected.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree, Teddy would have been just fine.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: He's just I mean, he still is just fine. Yeah,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure he's I don't want to say
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: he's fine. He literally lost both of his parents, but like,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: but he's able to be okay because he has such
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: a support system and they do have. He has such
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: a extended family, and at the end of the day,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: like why like just like you said, the whole reason
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: why he has that extended family is because of Remis,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: And I just wish Remis, Like I hope he like
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: died like knowing that, like you know.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: And I think I think this might be a good
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: way to kind of wrap up our main discussion. But
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: he is recognized for all of these efforts in a
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: really monumental way too. After his death, he was awarded
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: the Order of Merlin First Class for his work in
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: fighting Valdemort, which I don't think he ever would have
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: thought that that would have been a possibility, or that
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: he would be recognized at all in any way for
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: his work. I think he saw himself as invisible for
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: most of his life, but he wasn't. So I think
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: that just goes to show that, you know, you might
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: have a different view of yourself than while other people
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: see you as. And I think that held very very
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: true for remss Slopin.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: I agree, And I gosh, I was just thinking, we
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: get so emotionally deep with the character deep dives. Let's
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: all take a breath.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, they're fine.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: Dry your tears. I know I was tearing up a
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: little bit there talking about in the end, and man,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: we need to start starting. I feel like we need
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: to start these character deep dives with like, hey, grab
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: some tissues, we're going to get deep. I mean, we
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: were going to talk about some other things about Loopin,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: like you know, wand and Patronis and all of that,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: but like we just got so deep there, we just
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: took right off in the backet. We don't need it, no,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: And I just hope that, like if anyone listening is
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: someone who doesn't like remiss that maybe we've given you
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: a different perspective, just like our do just like our
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: curse child. This discussion I think been our on Bradge discussion.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, we still ended that episode disliking that woman,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: but we also gave her a benefit of the doubt
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit too. So I think that, like I
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: think Remus is a much, there's so much depth there
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: that the books only get to really touch on because
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: again it's from Harry's perspective. And yeah, I don't know.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: I just hope that we gave some people some things
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: to think about here, because we definitely talked about some
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: things that I have never really thought about before until
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: this very moment.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: Same.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, well that was our main discussion, y'all. Specialis Ravilio,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: so keeping up the Remis loopin theme, but don't worry,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: this will not be as heavy as our main discussion
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: ended up being. We decided that for our rotating segment
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: this episode, we were going to do Specialis Ravellio and
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: of course do a little bit of a Remiss loupin
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: name etymology. So I think the most now that we've
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: talked a little bit more about like Lyle Lupin you know,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: and his kind of thoughts about were wolves and everything
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: is so ironic because, as we know, JKR does put
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of effort into a lot of the names
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: that we have in the Wizarding World, and a lot
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: of them are you know, direct relations to things we
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: learn about the characters, and Lupin is literally one of
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: our most textbook examples of this. And I think it's
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: so ironic that, like, his father's last name was Lupin,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: which has a lot of wolfy things, and then he
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: obviously developed such a we could say, I think he
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: developed a prejudice against were wolves. And it's just funny
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: because his last name was very much tied to wolves.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so with Remus Lupin, we have a situation
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: where both his first and his last name has a
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: connection to wolves. So the name Remus is of course
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: very well known for the Roman myth Romulus and Remus.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: If you're not familiar with this story, it's a tale
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: of twin brothers who were abandoned at birth and they
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: were raised by a she wolf and then they went
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: on to found the city of Rome, so pretty important story,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: and Remus died. Yeah, so it pretty much is a
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: it was a spoiler. We were like, we should have
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: already saw it coming.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: She's done this with other characters too, So yeah, I
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: remember this being speculation when people were trying to figure
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: out who was going to die, and Remus's name was
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: getting tossed around a lot because of this. But there
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: was also a crazy fan theory where people thought maybe
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: Remus had a twin brother, Romulus.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: I remember that did not come like a secret twin brother.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: Actually to come out and be like, yeah, he doesn't
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: have a brother.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah that would be that would be really cool though,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: But yes, but the thing is, that's really cool, And
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: I think, again, I don't know why. Like obviously, when
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: I was reading these books, I was a lot younger,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: so I don't think I would have necessarily picked up
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: on the Romulus and Remis kind of connection. But I mean,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: JKR pretty much slaps Us in the face to say
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: that this one hundred percent is what drove this whole name,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: because we know that Remus also uses the name Romulus
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: in the book as his alias on Potter Watch. So
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: if you ever had any doubt that JKR got inspiration
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: from Romulus and Remus as it came to him, there's
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: no doubt there one hundred percent. That is one hundred percent,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: so very very interesting. Now, his last name Lupin, So
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: this is derived from the Latin words loopinus, lupinius. I
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: don't know Latin, but something along those lines, and lupus.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: So lupus means wolf andus lupinius. Again, however, you say
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: it means like of or belonging to a wolf or
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: wolf like, so it's kind of a way that you
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: could describe characteristics. So either way, the name Loopin is
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: riddled with wolf isms. You could say that the name
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: Loopin is lupinius, using the word in a sentence. And
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: then I thought that this was really interesting too. So
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: I saw too that in the folklore of Northern Grants,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: the word loopin is also the term used to refer
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: to a type of wear wolve. So the loopen were
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: wolves or to wear wolves that are described as loopin
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: are noted particularly for shyness, which I think is very
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: interesting because I think shy is a very good descriptor
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: word for our character, Remus Lupin. And so these loopen
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: were wolves can be very much juxtaposed with the more
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: aggressive loop garu, which is the French name. Definitely not
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: how you say it, because that is I did not
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: say that with any kind of French accent or anything.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it sounds gorgeous actually in French, but that
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: is the name for the classic were wolf that we
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: think of, you know, who goes and terrorizes and kills
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: and bites and all of that kind of stuff. So
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: I thought that was really interesting too, that one hundred
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: percent in life we can even use this description right
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: to like we've been comparing the whole time, like Loopen
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: as a were wolf to like gray Back as a
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: were wolf, and I think Lupin is very much this
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: Loopen type werewolf and gray Back is very much this
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: Loop Guru type werewolf. So I thought that was very
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: interesting as well. So again his name is just completely
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: riddled with uh, were wolf and wolf connotations. And how
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: Hermione didn't pick this up sooner? Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: None of us should have been surprised at all when
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: Lupin transformed into a were wolf. No, so nice?
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: All right? So last episode we asked you what were
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: you most excited or surprised to see in finding Harry
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: the craft behind the magic, and we got a response
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: from Jerry, who says the part the most interested Slash
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: impressed me in the documentary where the details provided about
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: the animatronic creatures, especially the owls and Scabbers, and Jerry
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: mentions about the biting it is needed for the first
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: season Scabber's bites crab or Goyle when Draco and the
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: Sidekicks come into Harry's compartment in the first book, which
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: we realized like right after recording that episode. The reason though,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: the reason I was thinking Prisoner of Azkaban is because
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: when Scabers goes missing and is presumed eaten in Prisoner
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: of ask Band, Fred and George declare him biting crab
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: or Goyle. I forget which one it was as his
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: finest hour. So that's why I was thinking prisoner. But yes,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: Jerry's right, it happens in the first book. Goes on
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: to say, what I am wondering about is the flopberworms.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: The trio don't take defense against the dark Arts in
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: their first year, in fact, not until book three. I
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: think she means care of magical creatures, Yeah, because they do.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: I just pictured like flabber worms being like a dark terrifying.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: That would be scary somehow there's like a really scary
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: evil to us, to the flowberworm.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: They open their mouth and their mouth is like full
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: of like clawtie.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: Oh gross. Yeah, so, Jerry says, a possible place maybe
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: where flabberworms come back come up could be in diagon
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: Alley or maybe when they visit Hagrid. Yeah, I don't
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: remember either if they're mentioned.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, like I never thought about this before,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: but maybe we'll see classroom scenes that don't involve the
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: trio right older potentially other students or you know, would
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: or would we ever maybe follow some of like our
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: older characters, like stud like we think, you know, we've
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: got like Fred and George and stuff like that that
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: are obviously more in a higher year at Hogwarts, that's true?
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: Or would that take up time? But then we also
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: have a lot more time because it's a show like.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: Right right, Jerry says, I loved the entire documentary interviews
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: how they decided on the Golden Trio, eight episodes and
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: so much more. I hope we will eventually get more,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: but unsure if it will be before or after the
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: series is released. The teaser trailer combined with the documentary
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: We're a delightful package with months to go before the
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: eventual release of the first episode or episodes.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: I know they tease us so strong back to back
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: and then now we're just like, how you must wait?
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I feel like there's got to be more
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: coming this summer, right, Like I feel like they're going
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: to have a press tour and all that stuff.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: There's still going to be an actual trailer, like we
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: still it's technically only a teaser trailer. There's probably gonna
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: be more than one trailer. I think we're going to
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: see a lot in the next couple months, like especially
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: as we get closer to December. To belove that how You.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: Back to Hogwarts Day is going to be insane this year.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: I hope, so, I bet you. I mean, we're going
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: to get a.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: Dump that day because September. If it's coming out in December,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: two months ahead, like that's like primetime.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: So for this episode, we want to know what are
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on the character of Remus Lupin, So we
• 1:40:46
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• 1:40:48
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• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: continue our discussion on not necessarily loopin but like wear
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: wolves in general. If anything, you know, I gave a
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: little bit of spoilers in this episode of some of
• 1:41:24
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• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: to that.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so another character deep dive in the books, and
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: as usual, I feel like we yeah, we just got
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: very invested.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't even realize. I like it reminds me of
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: our head very deep dive where we just got richly deep.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Lupin deserves it. And yeah, yes we do love.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: We do love Rimuslupin here, we.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: Do big fans. Yeah. Well, until next time, I'm Amy
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: and I'm Nicole Mischief managed