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The Sundown Motel by Simone St James · Books and Box Office Besties

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SPEAKER_00: Ghostly echoes up the ball.
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SPEAKER_00: Stepping so if you dare.
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SPEAKER_00: But beware.
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SPEAKER_00: They're always there.
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SPEAKER_02: Woo! How'd you like that intro, Wendy?
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SPEAKER_04: Ooh, spooky.
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SPEAKER_04: Spooky.
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SPEAKER_04: I like it for Halloween week.
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SPEAKER_04: So welcome to Books and Box Office Besties.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm Wendy and this is my co-host Kim.
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SPEAKER_04: Hi everybody.
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SPEAKER_04: Today we'll be discussing the Sundown Motel by Sim Simone St.
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SPEAKER_04: James.
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SPEAKER_04: Before we start, let's get our disclaimer out of the way.
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SPEAKER_04: Books and Box Office Besties is for entertainment purposes only.
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SPEAKER_04: Our opinions are our own and not intended to replace professional advice.
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SPEAKER_04: We may discuss major plot points, twists, and endings from books and movies.
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SPEAKER_04: If you haven't watched it or read it yet, consider this your warning.
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SPEAKER_04: You may want to pause now and come back when you're done.
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SPEAKER_04: You think they'll come back, Kim?
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SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, wouldn't you?
1:21
SPEAKER_04: Oh, of course I would.
1:23
SPEAKER_04: So, well how what's up with you, Kim?
1:25
SPEAKER_04: Have you seen any good movies or anything lately?
1:28
SPEAKER_04: Well, I saw a movie.
1:29
SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't call it good, but coincidentally you recommended it, but I'm not gonna say that.
1:33
SPEAKER_02: Uh it was Hokum.
1:35
SPEAKER_04: Yes, I liked Hokum.
1:37
SPEAKER_04: I don't know about our listeners, our besties, but I thought it was a good scary witch movie.
1:43
SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_04: You didn't like it though, huh?
1:46
SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't call it scary.
1:48
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I called it, but the popcorn was good.
1:51
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I had popcorn and gin and tonic, so still does sound good.
1:54
SPEAKER_04: I didn't have any of that, but I still liked the movie.
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SPEAKER_04: I like that it was about an author that went to Ireland and he was scattering his mom and dad's ashes, and it was in a spooky motel, and there was lore about a witch, and you know, it turned out to be true.
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SPEAKER_04: And I just I just thought it was kind of creepy and a pretty good Halloween movie, but to each his own if you didn't like it.
2:17
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, there are better out there.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, speaking of movies that aren't good though, um there's a whole bunch of them these days.
2:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, really.
2:28
SPEAKER_04: I just read Incidents Around the House by Josh Maylorman, and I thought it was a pretty good book.
2:35
SPEAKER_04: It was an okay book, maybe a three out of five, but I liked how it was told from a child's perspective.
2:44
SPEAKER_04: Part of the reason I read it was Other Mommy is out there, and Other Mommy is based on this book, Incidents Around the House.
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SPEAKER_04: And the basis of this book is a lonely child starts talking about other mommy.
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SPEAKER_04: And of course, the adults think she's making this up until they realize Other Mommy is real and coming after their family.
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SPEAKER_04: Other mommy is trying to be reincarnated by asking the child Bella if she can go into her heart.
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SPEAKER_04: Bella keeps saying no, wise choice, and chaos ensues.
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SPEAKER_04: Now, they made this book into the movie called Other Mommy, which may still be out there.
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SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_04: I saw it a few weeks back.
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SPEAKER_04: I saw it with my mom.
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SPEAKER_04: And let me tell you, save your popcorn money, besties.
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SPEAKER_04: This movie is awful.
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SPEAKER_04: It's not scary at all.
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SPEAKER_04: And the changes from the book to movie did not make any sense.
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SPEAKER_04: They even changed the entire ending.
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SPEAKER_04: I'd give it a two at best.
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SPEAKER_04: And that's because I had popcorn and I was with my mom.
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SPEAKER_04: If you're looking for a scary movie, maybe watch one of the oldies but goodies, like say Halloween.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we saw that together in the theater.
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SPEAKER_04: Remember, Kim?
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SPEAKER_04: Yes, we were underage.
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SPEAKER_04: Yes, I wasn't even old enough to get it on my own.
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SPEAKER_04: It was my first R-rated movie and it was terrifying.
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SPEAKER_04: Oldie but a goodie.
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SPEAKER_02: Um Jamie Lee Curtis, I still remember.
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SPEAKER_02: She was young, she was the babysitter, and back then I used to babysit, so oh my gosh.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, me too.
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SPEAKER_04: Even though I was probably too young to do that, too.
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SPEAKER_04: So is there anything else you did when you were too young?
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SPEAKER_04: Well, we won't get into any of that now.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay, okay.
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SPEAKER_04: Before we get into our author and the book in the flavor of Halloween and spooky season, why don't we talk about our own scary experiences?
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SPEAKER_04: Do you have any, Kim?
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I know you've asked me that, and the first response was no, no.
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SPEAKER_02: But then I thought about it.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like, well, I guess this is kind of out of the ordinary and strange.
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SPEAKER_02: It was back around 2002, I think, or 2001, something like that.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, my mom was, you know, dying of cancer.
4:53
SPEAKER_02: And I would bring my kids up in the our red Silverado.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'd drive from Maryland and up to Ohio and back and forth and back and forth.
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SPEAKER_02: And then my mom passed, we came up again.
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SPEAKER_02: And I was staying at my mother-in-law's house, and I was gonna go get a car and go over to my mom's house, and the car wouldn't start.
5:10
SPEAKER_02: The car wouldn't start.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like, what the heck is wrong with this?
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SPEAKER_02: This is relatively a brand new car for a 20-year-old.
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SPEAKER_02: It wouldn't start, it wouldn't start.
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SPEAKER_02: And then I was just getting so upset that the door wouldn't shut.
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SPEAKER_02: I I would get the driver door.
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SPEAKER_02: I'd go to the close the door and it just wouldn't close.
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SPEAKER_02: It wouldn't close.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh my gosh, what's happening now?
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SPEAKER_02: So I called my dad.
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SPEAKER_02: My dad is a mechanic.
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SPEAKER_02: I was telling my dad, Mr.
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SPEAKER_02: Logic, you know, that doesn't believe in any boo-hoo stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: But anyways, I call him up and I'm talking to him, and I'm like, Dad, I can't believe what's happening.
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SPEAKER_02: The truck won't start, the door won't shut.
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SPEAKER_02: Because I can't, I think you just need to stay home today.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't need to go anywhere.
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SPEAKER_02: Just try again tomorrow.
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SPEAKER_02: Just let it go.
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SPEAKER_02: Let it go.
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SPEAKER_02: And sure enough, the next day the car was fine.
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SPEAKER_02: I just think that was a bit strange.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, maybe I wasn't in the right state of mind to be driving just then.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, I just drove three, four hundred miles from Maryland to Ohio, and I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: I I just it's never happened before, it's never happened since, it's never happened before that.
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SPEAKER_02: And then the other thing that I think was a bit odd is that at nighttime I was at my grandmother's house who also passed away, and I was laying there.
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SPEAKER_02: I think I was taking a nap or something, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: I was laying down and I swear to God, I felt something like put a blanket on me from my head, and it went all the way up to my shoulders.
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SPEAKER_02: And I fell asleep and I had a great nap.
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SPEAKER_02: So, and and there were so many things like that.
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SPEAKER_02: I can't recall them all.
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SPEAKER_02: I've had a glass in front of me just shatter, and I'm just like, whoops, there goes another glass.
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SPEAKER_02: But I just kind of think that in our family, Wendy, that we are kind of probably a little bit more accepting to the bizarre things that happen, wouldn't you say?
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, I think so.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, Kim and I lived in a haunted house that was a monastery, converted into a home together when we were younger, up until I was three.
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SPEAKER_04: And I think you were like five and lived there.
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SPEAKER_04: And oh my gosh, the lore, the stories that come from our family and from my mom.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, she was terrified of the house of being alone.
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SPEAKER_04: And you know, we were I was too young to remember.
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SPEAKER_04: And I don't know, do you remember?
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SPEAKER_02: I don't, I don't personally remember anything bizarre happening to me in that house, but I was really young.
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SPEAKER_04: Now, my mom used to tell me that I would go up into the dark rooms because I was just toddling around.
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SPEAKER_04: And I she would hear me talking up there and she would call up and say, Who are you talking to?
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SPEAKER_04: And I would I would yell down, I'm talking to my friend.
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SPEAKER_04: And she would be like too spooked to come up and get me, and she'd be like, Come down here now.
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SPEAKER_04: And I tell and when I tell that back to my mom, she's like, Oh, Wendy, I went up and got you.
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SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, No, I know you didn't, Mom.
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SPEAKER_04: You told me you were too scared to.
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SPEAKER_04: And then I would just climb back down the stairs.
8:08
SPEAKER_04: But I have a story from a few years back, and it's just a little different though.
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SPEAKER_04: Mine, yeah, it was a few years back.
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SPEAKER_04: My husband was out of town, and it was after we lost our beloved chocolate lab buddy.
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SPEAKER_04: So I was all alone in the house.
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SPEAKER_04: And it was right before Halloween, and I decided to get into the season with the movie Pet Cemetery.
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SPEAKER_04: So I was laying on the couch, and it was a scene where the daughter and the dad were talking about where pets go after they die, and the dad was saying something about, well, some people believe they go to heaven.
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SPEAKER_04: And a little while after that, the daughter said, Well, I want to believe that, dad.
8:46
SPEAKER_04: And then my Google assist, which was right behind my head, shouts out, I want to believe that too.
8:53
SPEAKER_04: I shut up and I turned around and I was like stunned.
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SPEAKER_04: And I just said, Why did you say that?
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SPEAKER_04: And the Google Assist said, I don't know why I said that.
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SPEAKER_04: And then I was really shocked because like it answered me back, and I and I nobody had said hey Google or anything.
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SPEAKER_04: And I just can't explain it.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's just so weird.
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SPEAKER_04: I just can't explain it, and it totally freaked me out.
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SPEAKER_04: I was like, oh my gosh, now I really, really, really, really been missing my dog, and I'm I miss my dog and my husband, and I want them all back right now.
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SPEAKER_04: And then yesterday we were out with some friends, my husband and I, and we've had these friends for decades, and I asked them both if they had any stories that they couldn't explain.
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SPEAKER_04: And they both told us stories that we had never heard of.
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SPEAKER_04: And I thought that was really interesting, you know, because we had never heard of them before.
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SPEAKER_04: So we would love to hear your stories, besties.
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SPEAKER_04: Write in and let us know if we can read them on the podcast.
9:54
SPEAKER_04: We would love to hear from you.
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SPEAKER_04: We're at books and boxoffice besties at gmail.com.
10:01
SPEAKER_04: And it doesn't have to even be right away, just whenever you hear this, even if it's months, ages later, let us know because we would love to hear about them and read them on our podcast.
10:14
SPEAKER_02: You know, Wendy, I was just thinking about something.
10:17
SPEAKER_02: Uh, the more that we said that we were gonna do like spooky things that happened in our past, and then you start asking your friends and that, wouldn't it be nice to do a whole podcast on spooky things?
10:29
SPEAKER_02: Especially when we especially when we start talking about John Edwards.
10:33
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: The Eagle Weeds chess.
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SPEAKER_02: So maybe if if all of you start sending it in, maybe January could be our spooky podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, we can just have one where we just read everyone's thing.
10:45
SPEAKER_02: I I think that would be interesting.
10:46
SPEAKER_04: That would be fun.
10:47
SPEAKER_04: I would love that.
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SPEAKER_04: Absolutely love that.
10:52
SPEAKER_04: So let's get into the Sundown Motel by Simone St.
10:56
SPEAKER_04: James.
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SPEAKER_04: And to be clear, Kim and I came across Simone St.
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SPEAKER_04: James from a podcast that I love, Bookish University with Dr.
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SPEAKER_04: Amanda.
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SPEAKER_04: She did a whole episode on Simone St.
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SPEAKER_04: James books, and we decided to try the author out.
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SPEAKER_04: So Kim picked a book.
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SPEAKER_04: She picked Sundown Motel, and it was a great choice.
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SPEAKER_04: So a little bit about the author, Simone St.
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SPEAKER_04: James.
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SPEAKER_04: She's a Canadian author who worked behind the scenes in television for 20 years before becoming an author.
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SPEAKER_04: Her 2012 debut, The Haunting of Maddie Claire, won two Rita Awards and an Arthur Ellis Award, which launched her path as a best-selling author.
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SPEAKER_04: She's best known for blending murder mysteries with The Paranormal, which I love.
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SPEAKER_04: Some of her other books are An Inquiry into Love and Death, Silence of the Dead, The Other Side of Midnight, Lost Among the Living, and Broken Girls, to name a few.
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SPEAKER_04: She resides in Toronto with her husband.
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SPEAKER_04: So now, would you like to start us on the recap, Kim?
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SPEAKER_02: Certainly.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so there's two timelines, uh, 1982 and 2017.
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SPEAKER_02: We're gonna start with where the book starts, with Vivian 1982.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, the timelines were easy to follow, and the book was an easy read.
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SPEAKER_02: It started off in Fell, New York, November 1982, with Vivian working night shifts at the Sundown Hotel.
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SPEAKER_02: The place scares the bejesus out of her.
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SPEAKER_02: The lights flicker on and off, doors open and slam shut, and smells linger.
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SPEAKER_02: And worst of all, there is a killer on the loose killing young ladies.
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SPEAKER_02: Vivian is determined to catch the killer.
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SPEAKER_02: I am amazed at her inner strength and how she puts herself out there and hunts the killer.
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SPEAKER_02: Wendy, do you think that we would do that?
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SPEAKER_02: Or do you think that you would do that?
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SPEAKER_02: Because I'm sure as heck wouldn't do that.
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SPEAKER_04: Do you think we'd even take that job, that night shift job?
12:54
SPEAKER_03: No.
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SPEAKER_04: Even together?
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SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_03: Wendy, I know your strengths.
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SPEAKER_03: I have to say no.
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SPEAKER_03: No.
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SPEAKER_03: We'd both be like, you go check, you go look, you go check.
13:06
SPEAKER_03: There's just no way.
13:07
SPEAKER_03: There's just no way.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, I I remember a story where you came in, I think you were living in England, and you flew in, and we had that huge power outage.
13:18
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, yeah.
13:19
SPEAKER_04: And I think it was like a massive outage, the whole city eastern grid of the United States.
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SPEAKER_04: Something like that.
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SPEAKER_04: Ohio, Michigan.
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SPEAKER_04: For a long time, for like a week, and we went to weekend.
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SPEAKER_04: It went on even longer than that, I think, but I could be wrong.
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SPEAKER_04: It seemed like longer.
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SPEAKER_04: But I know we went to visit our cousin Guy, but it was blackout.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, it was pitch dark.
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SPEAKER_04: There was no lights.
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SPEAKER_04: So we talked to him for a while, and then we get back to the car, and I'm the one driving, and we get in, and I'm about to put the keys into the ignition.
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SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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SPEAKER_04: And all of a sudden, what happens?
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SPEAKER_04: Something pops up in front of our car with a flashlight under its face.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, we both screamed and our arms went up in the air, and I dropped the keys.
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SPEAKER_04: And then oh my god, I was never so scared of my life.
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SPEAKER_04: And then Kim has uh has the nerve to say to me, I'm so disappointed in you.
14:16
SPEAKER_04: I'm like, what?
14:17
SPEAKER_04: And she's like, You dropped the keys.
14:19
SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, you right there with the key door.
14:21
SPEAKER_04: I mean, come on right there with me screaming.
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SPEAKER_04: It's like article that's up in the air.
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SPEAKER_04: It is yes, typical.
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SPEAKER_04: It is typical.
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SPEAKER_04: But then it makes you think about all the movies we see.
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SPEAKER_04: I know, I know, I know.
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SPEAKER_04: And we're making fun of them.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, and they're so stupid because they trip and they want to look behind.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, is he any closer?
14:42
SPEAKER_02: Well, yes, that murderer is closer.
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SPEAKER_02: Or you know, or is that a shadow that's moving and had in my white?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a shadow moving head.
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SPEAKER_02: So yes, and so then, you know, you think how dumb those idiot dropped the keys.
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SPEAKER_02: It's gonna happen.
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SPEAKER_02: And you know what's gonna happen next?
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SPEAKER_02: They're going to die.
15:01
SPEAKER_02: But you know what I think about it?
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SPEAKER_02: I was in the car with her.
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SPEAKER_02: I would not go to the motel.
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SPEAKER_04: Well, you know, another stupid thing since we're talking about it.
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SPEAKER_04: I have gone out on hikes in the woods when we go to the cabin every year, and I'll forget my phone.
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SPEAKER_04: And and the one time I went out with one of the people that were staying with us, and we both forgot our phones, and we got lost in the woods and had nobody to call.
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SPEAKER_04: And I'm thinking this, and I even said this is the beginnings of a horror flick.
15:26
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_04: Like, what idiots.
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SPEAKER_04: We went out without our phones, we're lost in the woods.
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SPEAKER_04: Nobody, we can't call.
15:33
SPEAKER_04: But you know what?
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SPEAKER_04: Now I think I shouldn't be making fun of those people in those movies so much.
15:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, really.
15:40
SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh.
15:41
SPEAKER_02: I know, I know.
15:42
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so getting back to here.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, I'll just gonna repeat the last sentence over here.
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SPEAKER_02: I said, I am amazed at her inner strength, something that Wendy and I will never have.
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SPEAKER_02: And now she puts herself out there and hunts the killer down.
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SPEAKER_02: But does she get too close?
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SPEAKER_02: Why did she go missing?
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SPEAKER_02: What happened to her?
16:02
SPEAKER_02: All right, that was from 1982.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, flash forward to 2017.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, Carly, Vivian's niece, was raised by a single mom and a brother.
16:12
SPEAKER_02: When she was very young, her dad decided he didn't want to stick around anymore, so he up and left, leaving her mom to juggle, paying the bills, making eggs meet, and raising a family.
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SPEAKER_02: Unfortunately, her mom died during her college years.
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SPEAKER_02: There never seemed to be the right time to sit down and talk about family.
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SPEAKER_02: Talk about her Aunt Vivian, who 35 years ago um disappeared.
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SPEAKER_02: Why did she ever leave home?
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SPEAKER_02: And so many more questions.
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SPEAKER_02: It was a subject that her mother didn't like to talk about.
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SPEAKER_02: And now that door is shut.
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SPEAKER_02: As she went through her mother's things, she did find an envelope with her aunt's name on it.
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SPEAKER_02: Inside the envelope was news clippings with nothing holding her back except for school.
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SPEAKER_02: And she did take a leave of absence.
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SPEAKER_02: And of course, her brother begged her not to um leave school.
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SPEAKER_02: He was telling her that she's gonna get herself in trouble, or worse yet, she's gonna end up dead or missing, like her aunt Vivian.
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SPEAKER_02: But, anyways, Carly, being the person she is, independent and strong, she decided to try and solve the mystery of her aunt's 35-year disappearance, or should I say, murder.
17:23
SPEAKER_02: Carly makes it to Bell's New York library and looks up old newspaper clippings.
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SPEAKER_02: She finds the last known place her aunt lived and decides to check it out.
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SPEAKER_02: Once she arrives, by good fortune, you can kind of say, she finds the apartment has a vacancy.
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SPEAKER_02: The exact one her aunt lived in.
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SPEAKER_02: A young gothic girl is looking for a roommate immediately.
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SPEAKER_02: Carly and her headed off and she moves in.
17:50
SPEAKER_02: The rest of the book is pretty much the same with things falling into place, such as the Sundown Motel has a night shift available.
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SPEAKER_02: You know it.
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SPEAKER_02: She applies and gets the job.
18:02
SPEAKER_02: Again, things start to parallel that of her aunt's experiences as the night shift girl.
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SPEAKER_02: Even the people she encounters at the motel with the opening and slamming of the doors and the lingering smell.
18:16
SPEAKER_02: Now let's talk about the characters before we talk about the rest of the plot.
18:20
SPEAKER_02: In 1982, I have to admit, I like all the characters in the book.
18:24
SPEAKER_02: I can just about picture each and every one, each and every one of them, and who should play a part if this was a movie.
18:32
SPEAKER_02: In Vivian's time, I can picture Jamie, the cute guy who was the drug dealer of the community, but very nice.
18:40
SPEAKER_02: He called Vivian Hey good girl.
18:43
SPEAKER_02: He was soft-spoken and kind, a bad boy with a good heart.
18:48
SPEAKER_02: Wendy, do you have uh idea who you would like to see play that part as the bad boy?
18:56
SPEAKER_04: Jeannie, probably I think Timothy Chalamet would be good for that part.
19:03
SPEAKER_04: I think he'd be able to do a good job with that part as the bad boy.
19:09
SPEAKER_04: For Vivian, yeah, for Vivian.
19:12
SPEAKER_02: Now, since it was 35 years ago, uh you know, I thought about it too, and I think a really good bad boy.
19:23
SPEAKER_02: Remember everybody, Sons of Anarchy, Jax.
19:26
SPEAKER_02: I think Jax would be an excellent good bad boy.
19:30
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yes, he would.
19:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, those big blue eyes, he's kind hearted.
19:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, he rode a motorcycle, had his leather jacket, part of a gang.
19:40
SPEAKER_02: Um, super good looking.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, and he has to do what he has to do because he has to do it.
19:47
SPEAKER_02: That kind of, and you know that he's the type of guy that would take a secret to his grave, even if he had to kill somebody.
19:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying anything, but if he had to help kill somebody, you know he would be taking that to the grave.
19:59
SPEAKER_02: You could trust him.
20:01
SPEAKER_02: And of course, Jamie is probably the only person she can really trust.
20:06
SPEAKER_02: And of course, the police officer Alma, working the night shift, who she soon become friends with, is a young black woman determined to fight discrimination, the only way she knew how, by taking anything they threw at her, which was the night shift, along with slurs that came with it.
20:24
SPEAKER_02: She was happy being a policewoman, but she had to watch her back and not screw up, or it would be over.
20:31
SPEAKER_02: Yes, in the early 80s, people were still fighting prejudice.
20:35
SPEAKER_02: I can actually see her being played by somebody who is young and strong.
20:41
SPEAKER_02: And the first name that comes to my mind is Letitia Wright.
20:45
SPEAKER_02: She played in the Black Panther, if you remember, she was the Panther sister.
20:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, I could see that.
20:53
SPEAKER_02: She'd be good.
20:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then there's Marnie, the photographer, who was the photographer for the police department.
21:00
SPEAKER_02: She also had her own business on the side where she did portraits and a little private investigating.
21:05
SPEAKER_02: Yes, she followed people around taking pictures of who they were having an affair with.
21:10
SPEAKER_02: Dirty job, but she had to do it.
21:12
SPEAKER_02: She is a woman with a hard exterior trying to make a living.
21:15
SPEAKER_02: I can see, let me see, who would you say that would play her?
21:21
SPEAKER_04: Um, I feel like it would have to be somebody with a hard exterior shell or something.
21:28
SPEAKER_04: Um I'm not sure.
21:29
SPEAKER_02: Um not a not somebody who's like really cutesy wootsy, somebody who's maybe like Anya Taylor Joy.
21:37
unknown: Anya Taylor Joy.
21:38
SPEAKER_04: Oh, oh, is she the one that played in Peaky Blinders?
21:42
SPEAKER_04: Yes, and The Witch.
21:43
SPEAKER_04: And then and another thing that my husband and I were just watching, but I can't remember it was a series, but she was really good in it.
21:49
SPEAKER_04: I think she would make a really good Marnie.
21:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because she she has that cold exterior.
21:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:57
SPEAKER_02: And since we're talking about characters over here.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Who do you think would play a good Vivian?
22:04
SPEAKER_04: I think for Vivian, I am a huge Anna Kendrick fan.
22:09
SPEAKER_04: And I think she would not only make a good Vivian, like the old and the young, but she would also be a good director for this movie.
22:17
SPEAKER_02: Because I think you're right because it needs to be told from a woman's perspective.
22:23
SPEAKER_04: Oh, I totally agree.
22:24
SPEAKER_04: And she's a great director.
22:26
SPEAKER_04: So I mean she's really been proving herself to be a great director.
22:30
SPEAKER_04: I think she would be good.
22:32
SPEAKER_02: Um and who would you say that Carly would be?
22:35
SPEAKER_02: Because I'm kind of at a loss there.
22:38
SPEAKER_04: Carly's a tough one.
22:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:41
SPEAKER_04: Um, I mean, there's a lot of people probably that could play her.
22:45
SPEAKER_04: Maybe maybe Willow Shields.
22:48
SPEAKER_02: Willow Shields, why is that name familiar?
22:50
SPEAKER_02: What is she playing?
22:51
SPEAKER_02: I can't.
22:52
SPEAKER_04: Uh she's from the Hunker Games.
22:55
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, yeah.
22:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh, she was young back then.
22:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she would be good.
23:00
SPEAKER_04: I think so.
23:01
SPEAKER_04: And or there's probably some other ones too that we're not thinking of.
23:05
SPEAKER_02: Well, auditions are next month, so no.
23:10
SPEAKER_02: As of us to really can determine this.
23:12
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
23:12
SPEAKER_02: So getting on to characters in 2017.
23:16
SPEAKER_02: In 2017, Alma and Marnie are back in the picture with Carly and Carly's own bad boy, Nick.
23:22
SPEAKER_02: Nick has recently returned to Fell, New York.
23:25
SPEAKER_02: He was born and raised in Fell, New York, but when his father shot and killed his older brother and was coming up the stairs to kill him, things got a little complicated.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: He was a young teen and blames himself and hasn't quite gotten over it.
23:39
SPEAKER_02: Coincidentally, the only place he seems to get any rest is at the motel.
23:44
SPEAKER_02: Strange, wouldn't you say?
23:46
SPEAKER_02: I would say.
23:47
SPEAKER_02: Since we're naming all the characters, who do you think would be a good Nick?
23:51
SPEAKER_02: Who would you pick to play for?
23:52
SPEAKER_04: Um, I think I actually have a pretty good one for this.
23:55
SPEAKER_04: Jeremy Allen White, who played in Shameless and the Bear and numerous other things.
24:01
SPEAKER_04: I think he'd be really good because he can convey a lot with just like a look.
24:07
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
24:08
SPEAKER_04: And he he could also play a, you know.
24:11
SPEAKER_04: I think that he would just be really good in that uh role.
24:15
SPEAKER_04: I would love to see him in that role.
24:16
SPEAKER_04: I wish we could direct this movie.
24:20
SPEAKER_02: Auditions are next month, like I said.
24:22
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, getting back to it.
24:24
SPEAKER_02: There's a few red herrings that the author threw in here.
24:27
SPEAKER_02: Like she discovered her strange father lives in Bell, New York.
24:30
SPEAKER_02: Coincidence or not, I'm not gonna say.
24:33
SPEAKER_02: Also, Nick's dad was a prominent lawyer, huge career.
24:37
SPEAKER_02: The community loved him back in the day.
24:41
SPEAKER_02: But why'd he go crazy?
24:42
SPEAKER_02: End up killing his son, trying to kill his other son, and then he shot himself.
24:50
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
24:51
SPEAKER_02: So, anyways, going back to 1982 with Vivian, Vivian's at this hotel and things are just going crazy.
24:59
SPEAKER_02: Doors are opening and closing, like I said, it scares the bejesus out of her.
25:03
SPEAKER_02: And she gets an eerie feeling when this one guy comes in, like he happens to be a salesman and she starts looking into it.
25:11
SPEAKER_02: And then as she is really good at observing things, she notices that there's a car parked in front of the motel and there's a lady in the car, the photographer we mentioned, Marty.
25:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh she's taking pictures of this couple that keeps on going into the motel.
25:28
SPEAKER_02: Strange, but you know, it is a motel, it's two or three in the morning.
25:33
SPEAKER_02: And other strange things start happening.
25:37
SPEAKER_02: So she calls up the police department, and that's where she first meets Alma.
25:43
SPEAKER_02: Alma comes out, talks to her, she tells her, hey, there's some strange things going on here.
25:48
SPEAKER_02: And Alma says, Well, are there drugs going on here?
25:51
SPEAKER_02: Is this going on here?
25:52
SPEAKER_02: And of course there's drugs going on, but they don't care what goes on inside the rooms.
25:58
SPEAKER_02: She said, No, no, not that I'm aware of, but there is some other strange things going on.
26:03
SPEAKER_02: The phones are going dead and just a little bit.
26:07
SPEAKER_02: And so they're talking, and she's like, Oh, well, you know, I'm surprised they have anybody working on the night shift because there for a while they didn't have anybody that was coming in on the night shift, but they do now.
26:19
SPEAKER_02: I guess they kind of have to have somebody coming in on the night shift because Alma said that they were getting a lot of calls of prostitution.
26:27
SPEAKER_02: So, anyways, then she goes and she sneaks up to the car that's taking the pictures, and that's how she meets Marnie, the photographer.
26:35
SPEAKER_02: And she's telling the photographer, like, hey, I just saw on the paper today that there is a killer on the loose that killed this girl.
26:43
SPEAKER_02: I forget what the girl's name is, but I kind of got this weird feeling that it's this guy that's coming into the hotel, a salesman.
26:51
SPEAKER_02: And that's when Marnie tells her that's not the only girl that died in Fell, New York.
26:57
SPEAKER_02: There's lots of things that happened, but this is a small little town and nobody really cares about it.
27:02
SPEAKER_02: So Marnie actually drives her to the different areas where the other two girls were killed.
27:08
SPEAKER_02: And that just feeds her.
27:10
SPEAKER_02: That just feeds her that injustice is being done.
27:14
SPEAKER_02: Some of this didn't even spend more than a day in the news.
27:16
SPEAKER_02: There was no great search party going on because they made out the one girl to be a bad girl, a bad reputation.
27:24
SPEAKER_02: The other one was a mother, and she went to the grocery store and she was never seen again until her body was found in the underpass.
27:34
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so at that point, Vivian makes it her mission and she's got this gut feeling.
27:39
SPEAKER_02: And I'm telling you, Besties, when you have the gut feeling, you need to follow it, but not like her, okay, because she's gonna hunt the killer, and her instincts are right, and she starts slowly piecing things together.
27:51
SPEAKER_02: Where was the salesman at at the time of this murder?
27:54
SPEAKER_02: Where was the salesman at?
27:56
SPEAKER_02: So she tracks down and finds where the salesman lives, and she peeps in his window, she goes up and down his neighborhood, gets a sense of who he is.
28:05
SPEAKER_02: She calls the place that he works at, trying to figure out if he was even in the area of where these murders are happening.
28:13
SPEAKER_02: Now keep in mind the whole time the reader, me, is going, Oh my god, this is the last breath you're gonna take, Vivian.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: How can you do that?
28:21
SPEAKER_02: Wendy, if you had a gut feeling that your neighbor or someone that lived in your community was a killer, would you follow them?
28:28
SPEAKER_04: No, I'd stay as far away as possible.
28:31
SPEAKER_02: But then on the other hand, there's more, there's more killings that are gonna be done.
28:36
SPEAKER_02: So what do you feel?
28:37
SPEAKER_02: And you think that this guy, now just put yourself in her spot.
28:40
SPEAKER_02: You work at this hotel, this guy is giving you this look, this eerie look.
28:44
SPEAKER_02: Coincidentally, whenever he comes in, that's when these weird things are happening, you know, like something is saying to you, this guy is evil.
28:53
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I feel like I would want to notify the police, but I feel like she did.
28:58
SPEAKER_04: And it didn't pay attention.
29:01
SPEAKER_02: And she even gave the police officer Alma the reason why she thought the salesman was the killer.
29:07
SPEAKER_02: And again, like I said, this is back in the 80s.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh Alma is a young black woman, she's on the night shift.
29:14
SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, she gets the slurs, she gets the comments.
29:17
SPEAKER_04: Oh, she kept saying she needs more because she needs more evidence.
29:22
SPEAKER_04: Because if she takes that little bit of evidence, they're just gonna like laugh at her, they're gonna make fun of her more, which is just so set so sad, you know, that there's all this going on and nobody's and the one person who is investigating it and can find out the truth and is really going, you know, the extra mile, and the police force is not, and then she takes it to somebody, and the that policeman can't even take it to the police force either because they won't believe, you know, they'll make fun of her.
29:54
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's just right, it's all it's a lose-lose, and she keeps saying, I need more information and more information.
30:00
SPEAKER_02: And by almost saying that, which I understand her perspective in her situation, because you know, she's a young black woman that people are just gonna laugh at her, and if she screws up, it's gonna be the end of her career.
30:11
SPEAKER_02: But then it also feeds into Vivian, where okay, I'm just gonna have to get more information, I'm just gonna have to go and knock on the door, and I'm gonna have to call the house.
30:22
SPEAKER_02: And here she finds out he's married, here she finds out he's has a daughter, and she starts to piece together all these little pieces, which makes me wonder why couldn't the police department do the work that she's doing?
30:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
30:38
SPEAKER_04: But it's just like you said, the one death they they didn't even connect it to the other ones, and they just said, well, she was a person of ill repute, which I mean, first of all wasn't true, and second of all, shouldn't even matter.
30:54
SPEAKER_04: I mean, somebody dies, somebody dies, you investigate it.
30:57
SPEAKER_04: I liked the dynamic though between her and Alma, the policewoman, because you could tell the policewoman did believe her, and she knew she just needed more proof, and they did become friends.
31:08
SPEAKER_04: Right.
31:09
SPEAKER_02: So, but I mean, Vivian really puts herself on the line when she goes to the killer's house, right?
31:14
SPEAKER_02: And she knocks on the door and she's looking in the window, and then his daughter sees her, and she kind of looks at the daughter and she puts her fingers to her lips and goes, Shh.
31:24
SPEAKER_02: And the daughter looks at the door and gives her an indication that, hey, my dad's coming out.
31:29
SPEAKER_02: And that's when Vivian takes off and she runs.
31:31
SPEAKER_02: And then the guy walks outside and he's like, Something's off here.
31:34
SPEAKER_02: Like, what is going on?
31:36
SPEAKER_02: But then she calls up the place where he worked at, claiming, I forget what she was claiming she was at the time, his workplace, and asking, Was he around a certain area at a certain time?
31:47
SPEAKER_02: Because I forget what the oh about the schedules, yeah.
31:51
SPEAKER_02: About the schedules, the schedules, and sure enough, she got a hold of the schedules, and yes, he was there.
31:57
SPEAKER_02: And so she then decides that she's gonna break into his car to get his like future schedules that he may have had there.
32:04
SPEAKER_02: And sure enough, she does, and she sees that this one area, and she watches him, and she watches him watch this young girl and goes to the school because at the school there's gonna be a performance, a choir thing, and she's there and she spots him, and he's there, and so then later she writes to the school and says, Hey, I'm so-and-so, a parent.
32:28
SPEAKER_02: And I've noticed that there was this man who wasn't with anybody else who was specifically watching this young girl.
32:34
SPEAKER_02: And what is the school gonna do?
32:36
SPEAKER_02: Well, it could have been a friend of a family, it could have been this or that, and they kind of write it off.
32:41
SPEAKER_02: Then she writes to the girl's mother, Hey, I've noticed, I forget what she says, but basically, beware, don't let your daughter go out.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: And sure enough, I think the girl does go out and she does get killed.
32:54
SPEAKER_02: I think.
32:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, she goes out, she takes her bike somewhere, yeah.
32:58
SPEAKER_02: Her bike.
32:59
SPEAKER_02: So, anyways, she is hellbent now.
33:03
SPEAKER_02: And so, who does she trust?
33:06
SPEAKER_02: The only person she can really trust without questions asked is her bad boy who stays in the hotel every once in a while for the drugs.
33:14
SPEAKER_02: Who is that?
33:15
SPEAKER_02: Jamie.
33:17
SPEAKER_02: And um, this is so funny because I know she has a crush on him because like she tends to stare at him, and when he comes in like every other week to do his business, and he says, You're staring at me, and she goes, Oh, yeah, well, here's your keys, and he goes, I don't mind.
33:35
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I yeah, I think I think he liked her back.
33:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, I think he liked her back, and uh, I don't know how, but she said he asked for her name, and I don't know if she didn't hear or what, and she's and he refers to her as good girl.
33:49
SPEAKER_02: Hey, good girl, how you doing?
33:51
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's just he's just so charming, but yeah, he's a bad boy.
33:55
SPEAKER_02: So, anyway, she calls up um bad boy, bad boy, good boy, and he's there at the hotel, and so she goes, Hey, I'm coming up.
34:07
SPEAKER_02: So she goes running upstairs, she flings open his door and just gives him the biggest kiss on the lips.
34:12
SPEAKER_02: Okay, I thought she lost her mind there.
34:14
SPEAKER_02: What happened to my good girl?
34:16
SPEAKER_02: And so he's like, Whoa, good girl, and she talks to him and he goes, Okay, I'll do it.
34:23
SPEAKER_02: You're not really sure what he's gonna do.
34:25
SPEAKER_02: So, anyways, bad boy leaves, Jamie, and she goes back down to the front office, and that's when the salesman comes in, and the salesman comes in and he's looking at her and goes, Hey, you look familiar.
34:40
SPEAKER_02: Now keep in mind she's been tracking them, and there's been a quite a few close calls, and she's you know, a little nervous and sweaty, and then the phone rings.
34:49
SPEAKER_02: I don't remember if he was back in his room or if he was still there in the office, but the phone rings and she picks it up and she goes, Oh, oh yeah, hold on, please.
34:56
SPEAKER_02: She goes, Oh, a phone call and it's for you.
34:59
SPEAKER_02: And she transfers the call to him.
35:02
SPEAKER_02: And you know who's on the other line?
35:04
SPEAKER_02: It was bad boy, and bad boy accuses him.
35:08
SPEAKER_02: I saw you do this, I know you're the killer, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
35:12
SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna go to the police if you don't meet me at such and such a spot.
35:15
SPEAKER_02: And so the salesman gets in his car and leaves.
35:19
SPEAKER_02: That's when Vivian goes through his stuff and knows and finds more proof, more proof, believe it or not.
35:26
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, he comes back a little earlier than expected, they struggle, and luckily for her, she has, I think it was a knife.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: She stabs it into his chest, and she goes, Oh my gosh, it's so hard to stab a knife into somebody's chest.
35:41
SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, I never really thought about it before, but if you bring it up, I guess it would be.
35:46
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, stabs it into his chest, they struggle for a little bit, and she's like, Why?
35:51
SPEAKER_02: Why are you killing these people?
35:53
SPEAKER_02: Why are you going after these girls?
35:56
SPEAKER_02: You know what his answer was?
35:58
SPEAKER_02: Because I could.
36:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he admits to everything.
36:02
SPEAKER_02: Everything.
36:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
36:04
SPEAKER_02: And a little spoiler here: the reason why the hotel goes crazy whenever he comes in, it's because the people he's killed before that has died at the hotel are by his hands, I should say.
36:20
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so she tries to wrap up his body, and she ends up calling Alma, and then she also calls her other person she got to know, Marnie, the photographer.
36:33
SPEAKER_02: I think Marnie and Alma help her dispose of the body because I think they feel a little guilty for nothing.
36:41
SPEAKER_04: Well, I think they believe her too after she said that well.
36:45
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I know they believe her after she said that he was gonna kill that that girl, and that girl ended up dead, too.
36:51
SPEAKER_04: So it's like there was so much, so much proof.
36:53
SPEAKER_02: So much going on, so much proof.
36:55
SPEAKER_02: But back in the day, you had to have proof.
36:57
SPEAKER_02: There was no DNA.
36:58
SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, you had to have cold hard facts, you had to have pictures, you had to have basically you had to have it happening right in front of you.
37:06
SPEAKER_02: So, anyways, as it goes on, they dispose of the body, and that's the last they see of Vivian.
37:15
SPEAKER_02: Oh, another thing I want to throw in there this whole time, Vivian has taken notes on her notebook.
37:21
SPEAKER_02: So now we're gonna fast-forward 35 years, and we've got Carly.
37:24
SPEAKER_02: Things, like I said before, start falling into place for Carly.
37:27
SPEAKER_02: She moves in where her aunt used to live.
37:30
SPEAKER_02: She goes and interviews her aunt's roommate back in the day.
37:33
SPEAKER_02: The roommate really didn't have much to say about her.
37:36
SPEAKER_02: She talks to some other people who may have talked to her aunt.
37:40
SPEAKER_02: She's there working at the hotel, and things are happening for her as well.
37:45
SPEAKER_02: The lights are going on and off, strange things are happening.
37:49
SPEAKER_02: She talks to Alma, she talks to Marnie.
37:51
SPEAKER_02: They're giving her the he-ho, like, hey, let it go, let it go.
37:55
SPEAKER_02: Um, we did everything we can.
37:57
SPEAKER_02: We totally investigated, let it go.
37:58
SPEAKER_02: I don't know nothing about it.
38:00
SPEAKER_02: I really didn't know your aunt.
38:01
SPEAKER_02: We only talked to her once.
38:02
SPEAKER_02: Lie, lie, lie.
38:04
SPEAKER_02: Uh, they're trying to dissuade her and they're trying to get her to go back home.
38:08
SPEAKER_02: But much like her aunt, she's a dog with a bone and she won't give up.
38:12
SPEAKER_02: And she pursues it more and more.
38:14
SPEAKER_02: She goes to the library, she meets this library nerd there who's a historian person that knows the facts of that little town there, who gives her a little bit more information.
38:27
SPEAKER_02: Here it turns out, he is the grandson or the son.
38:31
SPEAKER_02: I don't remember.
38:32
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I you're right.
38:33
SPEAKER_04: I the salesman.
38:36
SPEAKER_04: Um, I think it's the grandson.
38:38
SPEAKER_02: I think it's the grandson, too, because yeah, um, they never found the body of the salesman.
38:44
SPEAKER_02: The rumor in town is that the salesman had an affair just up and left.
38:51
SPEAKER_02: And so after five, six years, the wife of the salesman declares that he's gone, he's dead, or whatever, and formally gets a divorce and goes on with her life.
39:02
SPEAKER_02: And she continues to raise her daughter.
39:06
SPEAKER_02: And then her daughter has a son who's this grandson who's working at the library, who pieces things together, but who is a psychopath just like his grandfather, and he's planning to kill somebody, and that's why things are happening at the hotel again.
39:25
SPEAKER_02: But all I can say is luckily for Carly, she has Nick, her bad boy, and and they've discover some things, and she continues on, and she discovers her aunt is still alive, and that's the part that I'm just not sure about because her aunt's alive, but then she gets upset that her aunt's alive.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like, what you know, my mother believed you were dead, you know, and my mother died of cancer, and that's when her aunt goes, Oh, it runs in the family, you know.
39:57
SPEAKER_02: Here her Vivian has cancer too, she finds out.
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SPEAKER_02: But, anyways, I just don't get why she was upset at finding her aunt.
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SPEAKER_04: I think because I here's my thought is because she wishes that her aunt would have let her mom know that she was alive and that she was okay and that that she would have, you know, reunited with the family, but she couldn't.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so which makes me believe, kind of, especially since her mom never wanted to talk about her sister.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe her mom did know, but she was so afraid that if she mentioned something and then Carly mentioned something, I mean, if her aunt was playing the part, like, hey, I'm dead and gone.
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SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
40:42
SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
40:42
SPEAKER_04: I just I don't know.
40:44
SPEAKER_04: That's a good thought.
40:44
SPEAKER_04: I never thought of that, you know, that maybe her I just mother was keeping the secret too.
40:50
SPEAKER_04: They were all keeping her secret.
40:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're all keeping her secret.
40:53
SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah.
40:54
SPEAKER_04: Oh, and fun fact about Vivian, who was Vivian living with all those years?
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, so when Vivian disappeared after she killed the salesman with the help of Alma and Marnie, she took off, left everything, her purse, everything.
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SPEAKER_02: And guess who she took off with?
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SPEAKER_02: Bad boy Jamie.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and they lived together for years.
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SPEAKER_02: That was true love until he died, and that's when she came back to Fell, New York, and you know, she was under a different name, a different everything.
41:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, she looked totally different, and uh yeah, but there were so many close calls.
41:33
SPEAKER_02: There's so many close calls with Vivian and the killer, which I just I and it is so funny because it parallels her niece, Carly, having a lot of close calls with his grandson.
41:47
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I normally don't give away the endings, and I'd like you to read something.
41:53
SPEAKER_02: And this book does have a lot of action pack and a lot of twists and turns.
41:57
SPEAKER_02: It'll still keep you on, you know, on the edge of your seat over here.
42:02
SPEAKER_02: But it was spooky.
42:04
SPEAKER_02: And yes, I was.
42:05
SPEAKER_02: I was telling Wendy, oh, it's not spooky, it's a fast rate, it's this, it's that.
42:09
SPEAKER_02: And I was babysitting for my daughter at her house for a couple days.
42:13
SPEAKER_02: Her boys were in bed.
42:15
SPEAKER_02: I'm sitting on the couch looking down this long hall, and it was about midnight.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm reading this book.
42:21
SPEAKER_02: She's got a glass door, and so you kind of see shadows going back and forth.
42:26
SPEAKER_02: So, yes, this book is kind of spooking.
42:29
SPEAKER_02: You might want to read it in the daytime.
42:31
SPEAKER_04: It was a great book.
42:33
SPEAKER_04: And even though we did give away, oh, you know, we did spoil it for you and if you didn't read it, Simone St.
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SPEAKER_04: James wrote a lot of other books in this genre just like this.
42:44
SPEAKER_04: And she's she's just a really great author.
42:47
SPEAKER_04: And part of the things that I really love about this book is I love the setting in the book, Fell New York and the Sundown Motel were perfect for the story.
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SPEAKER_04: It was unsettling and just creepy enough for me.
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SPEAKER_04: I love the paranormal aspect that was mixed in with the mystery and the crime solving.
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SPEAKER_04: It reminded me of my youth a little when I read my dad's old Hardy Boys books, and then I discovered Nancy Drew, but it was you know a lot more mature than those books, but still in that genre.
43:17
SPEAKER_04: And I think it was the perfect book for me for the spooky season.
43:23
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