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So, How Good is 'The Odyssey'? · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Speaking of things we pay attention to. Yes, sure the
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  Speaker 1: world is in turmoil, American politics, is it a standstill?
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's only one thing I care about. So
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  Speaker 1: here's the setup. I don't think I was even aware
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  Speaker 1: of the really weird back and forth, especially among some conservatives,
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  Speaker 1: about the honesty.
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  Speaker 2: I did something crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I said, at least we were going to go, let's
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  Speaker 1: just go see if it's a pretty good movie, and
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  Speaker 1: we really thoroughly enjoyed it. So coming out of that,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen all of the carping and the sniping in
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  Speaker 1: the back and forth, and here you were ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: You went last night. We'll talk in detail about what's
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  Speaker 1: behind everybody's war of words about it. We'll do that
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  Speaker 1: in the M and M Extra podcast or to whatever
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  Speaker 1: extent you want to right now. But the first thing
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  Speaker 1: I need to know, just purely as art, did you
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  Speaker 1: think it was okay?
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's start with just saying that I did what
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  Speaker 3: you and Lisia did. I decided to ignore all the
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  Speaker 3: chat or in the narrative, in the noise, and say
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go see a movie that is obviously everybody's
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  Speaker 3: talking about, must be popular. It took me a week
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  Speaker 3: to be able to get a seat at the theater
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  Speaker 3: and went into that big Imax thing with all my gosh,
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  Speaker 3: wow yeah, And incidentally, that's the way to see it
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  Speaker 3: and hear it and hear it. My goodness, what allowed movie.
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  Speaker 3: Let me just put it this way. You've got to
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  Speaker 3: work really, really hard. You gotta really work. It's some
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  Speaker 3: real heavy lifting to hate on this epic movie. If
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  Speaker 3: you hate this movie, you're going out of your way.
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  Speaker 3: You're you're twisting yourself in more pretzels than a visit
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  Speaker 3: over at any ends. That thing is an epic of
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  Speaker 3: incredible scope and magnitude. It is beautifully shot. Incidentally, no
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  Speaker 3: cgi I read they went out and shot that thing
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  Speaker 3: on the boat.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, that one you're on the ocean.
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  Speaker 3: You're on the ocean and you get the waves. That's
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  Speaker 3: all real water in there. But but the movie is epic. Now,
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  Speaker 3: let me and I loved it. I loved every minute
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  Speaker 3: of it. If it was three hours, I didn't notice.
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  Speaker 3: But let me fifty three and I need to look
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  Speaker 3: at my watch once, not one time, not one time. Now,
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  Speaker 3: But let me stipulate something, Mark, and let's be obvious
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  Speaker 3: about this. Where you're going I'm gonna say, it's not
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  Speaker 3: everybody's cup of tea. There's all. It's three hours for
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  Speaker 3: some people that won't, that won't, that won't pass the
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  Speaker 3: smell test. They don't want to sit in a movie
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  Speaker 3: for three hours. Okay, it's violent, very violent movie. Not
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  Speaker 3: going to be everybody's cup of tea. There's language in it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not real sure people of that era slung around
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  Speaker 3: the F bomb.
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  Speaker 2: I know it is modernized in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 3: Correct so and but that, but listen, that won't be
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  Speaker 3: everybody's cup of tea. But if you can ignore being
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  Speaker 3: told you're not supposed to like something, and it is
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  Speaker 3: and and Mark, I could you know we don't need
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  Speaker 3: to break this down on the podcast. We can try.
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  Speaker 3: It takes five seconds. It's all to do with the casting,
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  Speaker 3: that's all it is. It's the casting. People don't like
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  Speaker 3: a black Helen of Troy. People don't like Ellen Page,
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  Speaker 3: people don't or Elliott Page, whatever. People don't like it.
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  Speaker 3: That's what they don't like. And so they're going in
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  Speaker 3: there saying, I'm gonna hate this. Let me tell you something,
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  Speaker 3: let me get this off my chat. I'm a little
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  Speaker 3: fired up about this today.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: If you start worrying about the personal lives of movies stars,
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  Speaker 3: you better go back to the twenties and the thirties
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  Speaker 3: and go check out the history of Fatty Arbuckle or
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  Speaker 3: any of these other people who lived ridiculously hedonistic, horrible lives.
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  Speaker 3: If you obsess about the personal life of an actor,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta go. You gotta go touch some grass, You
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  Speaker 3: gotta go gaze at the stars a little bit and
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  Speaker 3: take a breath, and just just stop looking for things
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  Speaker 3: to be mad about. They are actors. They are Johnny
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  Speaker 3: Depp is one of the most brilliant actors of our time.
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  Speaker 3: I loathe him. I hate his politics. I hate the
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  Speaker 3: way he moved out of the country because he hated
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  Speaker 3: America so much, the country that made him rich and famous.
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  Speaker 3: I resent that. But I can go to a movie
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  Speaker 3: and be entertained by and I'm gonna go see and
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  Speaker 3: did you see how they're ebenezer? Do you see how
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  Speaker 3: they're bagging on the trailer already? Oh, it's the worst
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  Speaker 3: trailer in the history of tailors. It's terrible. It's Johnny.
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  Speaker 3: It's all about the casting and people get it in there.
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  Speaker 3: It's social media it's I am so tired of everybody
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  Speaker 3: looking for a reason to get mad.
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  Speaker 1: Mark had enough to get genuinely met and by those
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  Speaker 1: so here this is this that was a step away
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  Speaker 1: from where I thought you were gonna go. You went
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  Speaker 1: to a very good place. See if you'll come with
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  Speaker 1: me on the place, I'll go. Okay, It's not like
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  Speaker 1: they're wrong. If somebody wants to be persnakety and go
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  Speaker 1: Helen de Troit wasn't black.
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  Speaker 2: Fine.
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  Speaker 1: If somebody wants to say that that the casting of
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  Speaker 1: Elliott Page is kind of a wink and a nudge
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  Speaker 1: to Hollywood wokeism, they're right about that too. But it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't come up in the movie at all. There's nothing
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  Speaker 1: preachy or woke or anything in the actual movie like
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  Speaker 1: at all. If there is that woke messaging, woke politics,
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  Speaker 1: things in a film that seek to beat you over
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  Speaker 1: the head with a certain ideology, I'll be there too, Sam,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have any need for that. But the movie
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  Speaker 1: but does none of that people, as you say, cherry
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  Speaker 1: picking looking for reasons, it's my word of the year.
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  Speaker 1: It's performative. It's like, look how sensitive I am to
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  Speaker 1: all the issues on trans ain't nobody more twisted off
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  Speaker 1: about trans than I am. And I didn't give two
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  Speaker 1: flips about Elliott Page on screen for three minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Let me go with you and I enthusiastically. I respect
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  Speaker 3: people who say, I'm not gonna pay one dime to Hollywood.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna rent, I'm not gonna order cable. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not gonna go to Disney World. I'm gonna sit in
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  Speaker 3: my house and be kind of upset at the world. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: that knock yourself out. I mean, I hate to be
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  Speaker 3: mean spirited here, but you I want to go out.
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  Speaker 3: I want to leave my apartment. I want to go
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  Speaker 3: to a movie. I like Disney World. Sue me, you
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  Speaker 3: know you, but but I don't bag on people who
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  Speaker 3: choose not to do that. You want to call me
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  Speaker 3: a hypocrite for wanting to go to a getting out
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  Speaker 3: of my huvele and go to a movie once in
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  Speaker 3: a while, Okay, all right, knock yourself out, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to bag on you for choosing to live
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  Speaker 3: like an Amish person. Okay, don't go anywhere, don't don't
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  Speaker 3: don't get TV, don't go to a movie, don't go
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  Speaker 3: to a theme park. Make sure you get all bent
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  Speaker 3: out of shape over all the ideological stuff. I'm okay
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  Speaker 3: with that, and I really and in a way, Mark,
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  Speaker 3: I respect that. Look, I kind of respect the Amish.
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  Speaker 3: I do. I do.
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  Speaker 1: They're framed it in some really they're really condescending ways.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, they're lovely people. They're lovely people. They're not
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  Speaker 3: on social media both sides. Yeah, yeah, there's good people.
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  Speaker 2: I mean there.
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  Speaker 3: They're not fighting on social media. They're not. They're not
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  Speaker 3: hyperventilating over a black Hellen of Troy or Matt Damon
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  Speaker 3: didn't speak the right dialect. They're just living their lives
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  Speaker 3: and farming and making furniture and and enjoying life. You know,
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  Speaker 3: God bless them.
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  Speaker 2: You want to.
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  Speaker 3: Live that way, live that way, God bless you, And
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  Speaker 3: I promise you. I don't mean to be condescending, but
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  Speaker 3: leave us alone, those of us who want to go
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  Speaker 3: to a movie once in a while, the heck alone.
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  Speaker 3: Because that has.
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  Speaker 1: Been that has been the line that some people have drawn.
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  Speaker 1: You're you're being very live and let live, which is
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  Speaker 1: the way to be. There are people who have said,
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  Speaker 1: not only am I going to tell you the the
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  Speaker 1: the the triggers that I have about this film. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you there's something the matter with you, right.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mentioned Disney World one time. You should
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  Speaker 3: see the hate I get, Mike. No, they're so woke.
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  Speaker 3: What'd you do? Go see snow White with the beard? Why?
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  Speaker 3: What are you doing? I mean, I mean, look, I've
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  Speaker 3: got to I love that place, my wife and kids
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  Speaker 3: and say, we're a little boys. We went there. That
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  Speaker 3: was our place. And now I go by myself and
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  Speaker 3: I think about my wife and my kids and our memories.
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  Speaker 3: News I hate. I'm going to probably get arrested. I
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  Speaker 3: scattered some of her ashes on Main Street, USA at
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  Speaker 3: Disney World. She loved that place. Our pastor John McKellar,
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  Speaker 3: at her eulogy, stood up there and put a picture
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  Speaker 3: of the Disney Cinderella Castle and reminded the congregates that
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  Speaker 3: Denise Gallagher, when she was dying and we were all
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  Speaker 3: there together, looked up at that castle and said, I'll
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  Speaker 3: bet that's what heaven looks like. Now, John did that,
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  Speaker 3: and so you want to take that away from me,
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  Speaker 3: because I want to go once in a while and
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  Speaker 3: gaze at Cinderella Castle and think of my Denise. You
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  Speaker 3: knock yourself out I know they're woke. I get it,
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  Speaker 3: I get it, but please leave people alone who just
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  Speaker 3: want to kind of live their lives. All right, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 3: I'm off my soapbox.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: There's a sixty second addendum on the culture, and that
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  Speaker 1: is you may remember that of some weeks ago, I
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  Speaker 1: said it would take time for me to finish it.
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  Speaker 1: I said, I think I'm in the middle. Lisa and
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  Speaker 1: I are in the middle. I think we're in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of one of my favorite TV shows of all time. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: come on a week time we I mean one of
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  Speaker 1: it is probably a top ten lifetime and I'm not kidding.
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  Speaker 1: On today's podcast, I will reveal it. I'll come back money.
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  Speaker 1: Oh come on, you can tell me now. Nope, nope, nope,
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  Speaker 1: all right, podcast, Well guess what.
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  Speaker 2: And it is? It is.
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  Speaker 1: There's history, there's some sci fi, there's some romance that
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  Speaker 1: but Lisa found it now. It's sure, honey, I'll watch
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  Speaker 1: your cute little Hallmark show with you. It ain't no Hallmark.
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  Speaker 1: They are curious about a number of things. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: loved it in ways I will describe in the podcast
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  Speaker 1: and I'll come back on money.
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  Speaker 2: Tell everybody, all right, check it out.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yo, go to the podcast apples, Spotify YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: There we go.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, sixty no, give me, let me ten more seconds
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  Speaker 3: edition to Odyssey. Real quick? Did you see the story
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  Speaker 3: about the Odyssey popcorn buckets? Were there? Were there co
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  Speaker 3: memorative popcorn buckets when you went? No?
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  Speaker 1: But because here's the thing you're talking about Imax, I
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  Speaker 1: know I wanted to I should do Imax.
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  Speaker 2: There's oh my gosh, she had a pretty normal suburban theater. No, no,
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  Speaker 2: and I was blown away. So I can only imagine
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  Speaker 2: what the Imax.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's like. But every theater. The popcorn bucket is
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  Speaker 3: a bucket that goes for seventy bucks as much as
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  Speaker 3: seventy bucks. It's it's the it's the trojan horse, and
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  Speaker 3: they shove popcorn up it's belly, and people are buying it,
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  Speaker 3: and people are buying it to the tune of they're
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  Speaker 3: now expecting that it's going to make the movie studios
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  Speaker 3: one hundred million dollars alone.
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  Speaker 2: That's true.
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  Speaker 3: They think seventy dollars. They think it's going to generate
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  Speaker 3: one hundred million dollars in revenue, according to AMC Theaters.
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  Speaker 3: AMC Theaters is what's selling and that's where I went,
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  Speaker 3: and it was, yeah, we.
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  Speaker 1: All, we all know what. We all know what the
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  Speaker 1: Trojan horse is, right. It's a bunch of soldiers crammed
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  Speaker 1: into a a fake horse horse for the purpose of
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  Speaker 1: getting through the gates. Blah blah blade and yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: know what that is, right. The way that is portrayed,
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  Speaker 1: what it took to do that, what it took to
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  Speaker 1: do it in ancient times, and what it took to
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  Speaker 1: I've heard Matt by the way, Matt Damon acting job
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  Speaker 1: of a for the ages, and I didn't think I'd
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  Speaker 1: had that sentence in me.
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  Speaker 3: How about how about that? How about that? That insufferable
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  Speaker 3: John logan'sam.
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  Speaker 1: He'sash, he makes my teeth itch, he's made woke me.
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  Speaker 2: Too to the movie and it's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: But the way they film that, I've heard Matt Damon
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  Speaker 1: talk about this is the way Christopher Nolan wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do it. It's a bunch of people very uncomfortably and
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  Speaker 1: awkwardly stuffed into a horse. So to film it, he
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  Speaker 1: took a bunch of actors and stuffed us awkwardly into
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  Speaker 1: a horse.
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  Speaker 3: It was well, Look, in my life, I always think
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  Speaker 3: about where i'd be in if I lived in that era,
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  Speaker 3: in that mythical era, I'd be I'd be one of
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  Speaker 3: the rowers on the boat, and I can you mae,
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  Speaker 3: that'd be my lot in life. I'd have to row
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  Speaker 3: what an awful, awful thankless that would be row row row,
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  Speaker 3: and by and quick. I don't want to be a
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  Speaker 3: spoiler alert, but how many times could they get get
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  Speaker 3: on that boat and escape all the danger they were on?
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  Speaker 3: That boat? Would take an hour to get off of shore.
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  Speaker 3: And but that's just okay, well, and just one final word,
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  Speaker 3: and just one final word for everybody to remember if
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  Speaker 3: they if they go do Odyssey this weekend, if they
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  Speaker 3: go do Odyssey, you're gonna come away thinking one thing,
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  Speaker 3: talking about one thing, because you also know what this is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say something. You know what this is
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  Speaker 1: in mythology, not till you've seen it in this film,
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  Speaker 1: and that is cyclops.
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  Speaker 3: Oh boy, gosh, that's it. That's the stuff. That's the
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  Speaker 3: stuff of the nightmares.
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  Speaker 2: That's the stuff is ten minutes I've seen in any
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  Speaker 2: long tip.
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  Speaker 3: Go knock yourself out or don't be prepared. All right?
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  Speaker 3: I love you see on the podcast, have a great weekend,