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MidLife Card Talk #3- With Ash of Legacy Cardz · Sports Card Clubhouse

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What's going on? Everybody out there, I
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appreciate tuning in as always, my guy Ash, once a month we try
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to get together and have a conversation and talk about the
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industry, talk about the hobby, talk about both of it.
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And we got to see each other, Bud.
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We saw each other about a week and a half ago.
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That was great. It's it's always fun to see Greg
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and and, well, you and then everybody else that comes along
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with you, right? And it's, it's just a good time.
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So, so yeah, it's, it's a lot of fun, man.
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And, and, and you know, I, I don't ever take it for granted,
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man. It's cool to cool to see you.
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And then, and then it's funny, right?
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Cuz, cuz you know, when you're at the table, you get to see
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organically what happens. And then you ran into my buddy
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Scott who had all that fire and, and you ended up taking a video
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of his cards. And then somebody reached out to
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me about his cards cuz they saw him in your video.
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Did you did you get a deal out of it?
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I don't think it worked out, but it was still, it was still good,
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right? It was still it was still good
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and still a good time and a lot of fun.
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If you're, if you're listening at home and you haven't seen my
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day one of the West Coast Card Show episode, I think it was day
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one. I can't remember which one it
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was, but you had done a huge deal for a bunch of super high
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grade cards like a Stan Mutual Bowman rookie and ASGC 9 and a
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Seaver rookie and an SGC 9. It was some massive stuff.
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And there was a trade involved for a couple massive show hey
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cards. And so yeah, that was that was
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super cool. And, and just seeing the deals
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that are going on and it's always fun, but it's, it's just
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fun to see each other in person, get a hug in there and all that
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good stuff too. Tell me, just as a quick recap,
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when, when you were at that particular show, 'cause I know
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you're at something, you know, 2-3 weekends a month, what were
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some takeaways? Was there a take away from that
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show? Was there any sort of buzz or
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anything that you noticed at that show that stood out a
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little bit? And I just lost you.
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He just closed. I just, as I asked the question,
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my guy accidentally closes out. So I will, he'll be back in a
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second and we will, we will reboot that.
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But I, if you're listening and, and you are, if you're, if
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you're still there, I, I felt like there was something that
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happened. There was something in the room
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that was abuzz and I talked a little bit about it and he's
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back there was there was what I was saying was, was there
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anything at the particular show at the Burbank show, at the West
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Coast Card Show in Ontario that kind of stood out to you that
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was different compared to years past or other shows?
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Like what? Did you have any takeaways from
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that particular show? It's, it's almost like it's
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just, it's just so much fun, right, to, to be out there.
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And the whole show was just busy, busy non-stop, whether it
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was at the table, whether it was buying and selling with other
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dealers, you know, some cool stuff walked up and, you know,
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it's, it didn't like, we didn't get out of the show.
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Show shut down at 4:00. We didn't get out of there till
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6:00. And you know, so it was just a
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lot of fun there. You know, that, that, that, that
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show in particular, you know, they do, they do I, I think
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Southern California just craves that show and craves a big
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sports card show. And for whatever reason,
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everybody likes to attend the Burbank or the West Coast Card
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show. And if they just do a great job
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of getting people in the door and get, you know, I honestly,
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they're, they're, they, they have great security there.
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And there's security people walking all around and kicking
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people out when it's time to go. And which can be a little, maybe
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a little frustrating sometimes, but if you take a step back and
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look at why they're doing it, then it makes a lot of sense.
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And you know, it's just a, it's just a great show.
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It's funny you say that because we were doing a live stream a
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couple nights ago and the COO of the West Coast Card show was in
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the chat and he was watching it because we were kind of talking
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about the show. And so he commented in there and
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he said, what could we do to improve it?
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What are what are the areas that you think can improve?
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And I started kind of going through it and like you said,
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the facility was fantastic. It's right next to hotels, it's
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right next to an airport. The aisles are wide, it's clean,
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the security was great. There's metal detectors, there's
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people walking around there's and, and I was like, honestly,
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like it, it was, it was really well done.
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Like I, I don't have a ton of constructive criticism.
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I like that they had the corporate booths around the
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outside and they weren't plugging up in the middle of the
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show, Navigate around them makes it easier to see where you're at
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and, and kind of have a flow pattern.
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And I said the only thing you could do is, is try to maybe
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find a way to get more of the Midwest and East Coast dealers
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out 'cause there are a few that make it out, but, but not many
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east of like the Midwest, like none of the East Coast guys are
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really there. But it was, it was fantastic.
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But you touched on something I, I want to ask you about.
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So you said you had a great time doing deals with customers, but
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also other dealers. And I know that part of, you
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know, what all the dealers are doing is they're kind of
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checking out the inventory of of the other guys and seeing what
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they have. And maybe there's something
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that's kind of missing from their inventory that they want
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to add. And they do deals with each
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other. When you are walking around a
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show like that, when you are looking in cases, what are the
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things that jump out at you? Is it is it a particular player?
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Is it something that's rare? Is it something it's are they
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the cards with high? I appeal like when you're
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looking in cases and you're shopping like we're shopping,
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what are the things that get your attention?
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He's laughing. You know, I, I, I, it's almost
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the opposite. What doesn't get my attention,
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right? I look for tables that don't
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have shiny stuff and then is the person willing to sell to me,
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right? That's my criteria, Greg.
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And, and I've since we've been doing the eBay lives, I've
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become more broad with my purchases as well.
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So not only will I buy a $5000 card from you, but I buy a $50
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card or I'll buy a card that's bigger than 5000, right?
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And, and so I've become very broad in what I do.
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And yeah, I call it, so I call it supporting the dealers,
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right? I go to the show and I support
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the dealers and I just find it that with being able to to put
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cards on multiple platforms, whether it be eBay live, whether
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it be our website, whether it be eBay, whether it be Facebook,
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whether it be IG. And you know, we do a little bit
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of Twitter and, and you know, YouTube, you know, it just, it
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just lets us have a wide variety of stuff.
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And, and so if we have a wide variety of stuff, it also
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enables us to to sell a wide variety of stuff.
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And then we have to buy a wide variety of stuff.
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And man, the inner workings of this thing is, is a monster.
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Yeah, I couldn't do this by myself, right.
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I'm very fortunate that I have a good team of folks that surround
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me and they enable me and push me to do what I do best and then
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they support what we do best. And you know, which is, well,
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not, not what we do best, but they, they support the inner
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workings, right? Because when a, when a car gets
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bought, then, OK, that's, that's step one, right?
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You click the button, you buy something, but then it has to be
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shipped and then you have to get your tracking and all that kind
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of stuff. And so to be able to do that in
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a timely manner, not always the easiest thing when you have, I
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don't know, 100 packages to mail in a day.
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And then you have to pull all of those cards from different
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locations and, and places. And hey, where is this and where
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is that? It takes, it takes, takes a lot
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of work to, to be able to do that.
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And I'm just very thankful that I have people around me that,
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that can support that and, and help with that.
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So it's, it's, it's just great. When you go to a table and you
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see something that you don't see very often, it's kind of a
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little bit more low pop or it's a little bit unusual.
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Is that the kind of thing that you're more inclined to, to take
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a look at? Or is that something that you
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kind of go, well, it's a low pop and it might have a low demand?
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And so I've, I've got a way that like, is it, is it the high
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demand? Is it like Jackie Robinson cards
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that everybody wants a Jackie Robinson card?
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Like does that get your eye to sparkle?
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I mean, or is it, you say, I haven't seen one of those more
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than a couple of times. I, I got to, I got to maybe snag
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that. You know each table is different
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right? Because if I, if I walk up to a
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table, and obviously if I see a rarity, I want to try to buy it
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if it, if it makes sense. And by the same token, if I see
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a Jackie Robinson that looks really good or a Mickey Mantle
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that looks good or an errand or a maze, etcetera, etcetera, that
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looks really good, I want to try to get that too.
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And So what I try to stay away from is rats am I try not to buy
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ugly cards unless it's like an iconic ugly card.
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I'll buy a ugly mantle, rookie, maze, rookie, Aaron rookie,
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etcetera, etcetera, because you know, it's not ugly, it's well
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loved and the card, the card has a story to tell.
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And and you know, we we have there's different kind of
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collectors for different kinds of cards, right.
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And, and so some people love a well loved beat up card and some
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people love the opposite high grade, beautiful centered eye
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appeal, sharp corner card. And then then you, you have the
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middle ground there of people that want to buy, you know, twos
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and threes and fours and fives that look like they're two
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grades better. And so again, we just a wide
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variety of, of what we purchase and it's just a lot of fun, man.
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I, I, I don't really know how to, you know, so if I go, go to
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a table, my mind is open when I go to a table and I just get,
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you know, I, I see what's there. And, you know, I mean, some
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people tell me, hey, my prices are firm.
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OK, so be it. Your prices are firm.
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And, you know, I may look at like 3 or 4 cards and see if
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there's something that I might be able to use.
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And but you know, if your price is a firm and you're 25% above
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comps or 20% above comps or whatever, then there's probably
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not going to be a deal to get done.
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And so be it, right? There's, there's, you know, as,
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as they say, there's more fish in the sea.
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And, you know, especially in a big show, right, what like like
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the, the West Coast card show where there's, you know,
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hundreds of hundreds of tables. And I don't know, Greg, I'm very
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fortunate because they don't have other dealers that'll say,
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hey man, did you see this over there?
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And, or they'll come up to us and, you know, they, they may
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snag something for a certain price and want to flip it for X
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amount more and they'll, they'll sell it to me.
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So it's just just, you know, there's never, it's, it's like
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it seems to be never enough time in the day.
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And you know, we, we try to get to the show as early as
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possible. Sometimes you get there too
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early, but that's OK. You know, you get there early
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and you just get to see, see everything and see it sooner.
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Sometimes it's beneficial. And then sometimes people are
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like, Oh, it's the beginning of the show and I don't want to do
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anything. And, and that's fair, right?
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You, you know what, we, you, you can't do anything but respect
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that. And and I understand that and
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you know, that's that's it. So you know, one of the things
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when your phone was tweaking out on me, one of the things I was
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kind of bringing up is did anything stand out to you at the
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show? And, and there's no doubt the
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show is a lot of fun. And a lot of the times the fun
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is largely about who else is there.
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And so I had a blast cause a lot of my good buddies were there.
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And you did, you did a lot of big deals with a lot of them.
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In fact, Tony, as we're recording this on Tuesday the
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24th, he just posted his video today on a couple of cards.
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He did a deal with you, the the Jackie and then the the Michael
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Jordan. And is it?
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It's a great video. And if you're out there
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listening, you should check that out on Southern Collector, his
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channel. But the thing that stood out to
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me at the show was I felt like there was this thing, this buzz
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in the room about Mike Baker stickers.
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And I felt like a lot of people were utilizing that service.
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They were doing a quick turn around at the show.
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I saw multiple people go through and revealing their their
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inventory that they had submitted and what did and
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didn't get stickered. You know, and Mike Baker's been
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around a long, long time and you know, he's got there a lot of
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different people have different opinions about him and whatever
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that is is, you know, that's fine.
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But when what it really I think boils down to is that the I
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appeal movement is really kind of happening and it seems like
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it's happening. I guess my question for you is
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kind of what is your take when you have a card, buy a card,
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sell a card and it's got an I appeal sticker, like what what
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does that do to the comp? Because like a second ago you
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just said, you know, well, you know, if the guy's asking 25%
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above comp, then we may not be able to do a deal.
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But but the I appeal movement seems to be, I think blurring
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the lines of what the comp is. What's your take on the
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stickers? The the I appeal movement, The
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the, you know all how, how does that affect pricing for you when
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you're buying and you're selling and, and just so what's the feel
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you're getting out there about all that?
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So there's a couple questions there, right?
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Like first I'll address you notice that when I said the guy
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that had higher, higher prices, I still looked because hey, he
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might have a rock star that justifies that justifies the
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price and you, you know, so you always I I always try to look
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and and see see what makes sense and what doesn't make sense as
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far as so the what what were can can you repeat like?
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So what is your take on the, what is your take on the
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stickers, the Bike Baker stickers and what does that do
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to the price when you're buying and selling compared to comp?
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I mean, I think it's so new that it's hard to really gauge what
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to pay for the card just just to be honest, right?
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If you have a $5000 PSA 4 Hank Aaron, but then it's a gold
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label Hank Aaron. Well, I think we still need to
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look at the card and analyze the card.
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I mean, you know, I so Mike is a friend.
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I'll preface that. But just because Mike Baker says
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it's a gold label doesn't mean that the card is like you got to
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pay out of the wazoo. You still should look at the
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card, look at look at it overall, make sure it has has
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the attributes that you that you feel as though you want to pay
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up for. Because like at the end of the
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day, you, you know, you got to pay, you got to pay up for a
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card that looks very nice. And if it has a gold label on
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it, then it should be a total rock star, right?
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No, if ands or buts about it. And so as far as what to pay for
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stuff like that, you know, it's, it's not not the easiest thing.
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I mean, you know, you'll see cards sometimes do.
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Do. 2030% more, but then you'll see cards do 100 to 150% more or
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more. And and so there's no, I don't
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know that I, I can't really answer the what to pay for it
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part, right? Part of it is probably the card
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itself and, and is it a high demand card?
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Is it a lower demand card? Is it an iconic card?
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And I mean it, it's definite. I, I guess what I'm getting at
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or, or I'm asking you is being in the industry and, and being a
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person who is buying and selling a lot every day is how blurred
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are the lines of what the comp is now that it feels like
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there's more reliance on I appeal than the number grade.
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Yeah. Is it becoming pretty loose?
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I mean, comps are comps are what they are.
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I think you have to just take into account the card that
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you're buying and you know, if you, if you, if you look at
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auctions, sometimes you'll see stuff just go crazy, right.
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I think, I think people more so are comfortable paying up at an
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auction than they are paying at a dealer table.
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That's, that's what I, I just think it's, you know, easier
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mentally to be like, OK, well, somebody out bid me.
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Oh crap. I, I now I have to bid again to,
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to get what I wanted. And we're at a dealer table.
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It's, it's kind of like a one-on-one thing.
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And you know, there's nobody bidding for the card, but except
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for you and you know, you, you have you and the dealer.
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So I think the collector is at an advantage at that point.
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You know, and just in All, in all honesty, I think that's I
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think it's advantage collector if you can get a really good I
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appeal card from a dealer booth and not from an auction
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depending on the price obviously.
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So it's, it's it Greg, it's, it's, it's not easy, right, Both
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ways. It's not easy to buy something.
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I mean, you know, it's just crazy sometimes how these how,
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how auctions go. I mean, you know, if you look at
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the 52 Jackie Robinson that Tony got, yeah, you know, a week, a
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month, two months ago or whatever, then there there's one
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on Golden, which I think Tony's copy is a superior copy.
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And, and the one on Golden went for like 50% more.
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Yeah, you know, and yeah, you know, it, it's so it's just who
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knows what's going to do what when we don't know.
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And nobody would have guessed that a 52 mantle that was
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centered would do 122,000, right?
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Nobody would have said, Oh yeah, that card is going to do that,
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that amount of money. And it didn't have a sticker.
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Nobody, you know, So the sticker kind of helps you think, I
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think. And it and it just gives
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somebody all it gives an expert opinion saying, Hey, this card
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looks really nice. And it's it's got the attributes
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of a high appeal, high. I appeal card for the grade.
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Is that a? Is that a service that you've
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used much or is it kind of something like you just kind of
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deal with stuff as it is? Like if it comes up to you in
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APSA case, you leave it in APSA case and you sell it in APSA
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case. Or do you, do you ever look at
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things like, well, maybe for this card it's worth submitting
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like is that something that you utilize much?
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If it looks good, I submit it. It's, it's a lot more convenient
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to submit it at a show than it is to, for me personally,
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because I don't like to like, then you start to mail cards all
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over the country and stuff like that.
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And I, I, I try to just do as less of that as possible if I
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can, especially when great getting cards, evaluating stuff
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because we have cards in the marketplace and and so forth,
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right. And, but Mike's not hard to find
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either. You know, you know, he's at
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basically every big show. He'll be at the he'll be at the
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Philly show, which will be at the Philly show, which is,
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that's our next show at the beginning of March.
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And then after that, he'll, I think he'll be probably be at
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the Dallas show as well. And, and that's the week after
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the Philly show. So, you know, he's not
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undefined. He works really hard.
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And I, I like how he does it. He doesn't, he doesn't deal with
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the public very much. He stays in his own isolated
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area. And he, yeah, he.
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Really does. Yeah, well, he, you know, and
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he's, he's, remember this is a mental thing, right?
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You're, he's mentally looking at a card.
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He's looking at it through a loop.
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He's looking at it, you know, and, and saying, hey, he
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because, you know, to his, he's told me before it benefits me to
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put a sticker on a card, right? That's how he gets paid.
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But at the same time, you know, he, he doesn't want to, he
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doesn't want to compromise the integrity of the sticker too.
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So he's very picky in in that. I remember one time he gave me a
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gold label and took it away. I'm like, man.
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Well, that was one of the things I thought was interesting
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because in one of my episodes, our buddy David Chase, a great
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guy, you know, he, he had submitted 20 cards to Baker for
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stickering and he only got 8 of the 20 got stickers.
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And, and I mean, he's David's got a very good eye and he's
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got, he loves high eye, very picky and eight of the 20.
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And you know, some people would say, oh man, he's being, he's
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being stingy with the stickers, but it Baker gets paid way more
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money if he stickers all of them.
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So like what you just said, his I think people have to keep that
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in mind is when when the card doesn't get a sticker, Baker
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makes less. So he you would think he would
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be inclined to over sticker, but it does feel like he's very,
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very strict, which is counterintuitive from a business
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model point of view. So when people see man, that
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card didn't get stickered that I think they have to remind
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themselves that's that's, you know, it's disadvantageous for
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him not to sticker it. OK, so there was another thing
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that happened recently. In fact, as we're recording this
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on the 24th, there was a video that posted last night from
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Teapot. And Teapot is, you know, one of
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Jeff Wilson's main guys and he's a recognizable guy.
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And, and I like Teapot a lot. I think he's a good dude.
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And he posted a video where he a few months ago, he took the same
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card and he sent it to 1 grading company, got it back, cracked
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it. Another one got it back, cracked
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it, got it back. He did it to all of them.
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Well, he took the same card and he sent it back to all the
25:16
grading companies over the last few months and he has the
25:21
results. And so I'm going to go to his
25:23
summary. So if you're listening, listen
25:26
to Teapot describing this is an 89 Upper deck Ken Griffey Junior
25:30
card that originally started in a BGS 9.5 and what it went
25:38
through. It's about a minute clip that
25:40
Teapot's going to narrate through for us.
25:43
So this this card started out on its journey last year, like a
25:48
year ago and graded well before that.
25:52
You can see the great the the you maybe you can't see, but the
25:55
serial number was 00073, whereas now there's 001.
25:59
So we've moved a hole a hole to the 10th power in in from there.
26:06
So this was Abgs 95 and then this went to SGC and was came
26:12
back authentic evidence of trimming.
26:15
The second time that I sent it to SGC more recently it got a
26:18
nine. I had sent it to PSA where it
26:21
got a six the first time and then it got an 8.
26:24
We went to tag and they said do not hold her oversized arena
26:28
club 8.5 CGC 9. So we're we're running the whole
26:32
gamut from six up into the eights, nines 8 and a half, 9.5
26:36
true gem. And now we have officially
26:46
broken the Internet. My work is done.
26:49
So. So this card Ash Becky gave it
26:54
gave it a 9.5. Now they're saying it's trimmed.
26:58
PSA gave it a six at one point. They gave it a nine at one
27:02
point, Tag wouldn't grade it 'cause they said it was too big
27:07
to fit in their holder 'cause it was an oversized card.
27:11
But then now Beckett's saying it's trimmed.
27:15
SGC once said it was trimmed, once said it was a nine.
27:19
So when we see stuff like that, you know, we're collectors and I
27:23
know that you love the hobby and we say this is fun and all this
27:26
stuff and it is fun. But when you see something like
27:29
that and, and the problem is if the card gets APSA 6 versus APSA
27:35
9, depending on the card, it's just a monumental shift in value
27:41
when you see that. Now first of all, had you seen
27:44
that clip yet and #2 what is your take away on that whole
27:48
thing? So I I think he posted that clip
27:51
a couple months ago, right? So, so he he did a couple months
27:55
ago do it where he sent it for the first round and then he
28:00
recently resent it to all of the same companies again to see if
28:05
there was a consistency within the same company of the same
28:08
card. And that's a result of the
28:09
second round including all 2 rounds of it.
28:14
Yeah, I mean, it's it's frustrating, I think is the best
28:20
way to put that. Even the AI company got it
28:24
wrong. So we think right, the AI so so
28:30
for for the for everybody, it's like, oh, AI this and that.
28:33
You you know, AI even got it wrong.
28:36
And you know, the crazy part is it went from, let's call it a
28:40
$1300 card, which I think a 95 is probably maybe a little more
28:44
than that because the Griffey card is probably like doubled,
28:46
but maybe. So maybe it's like 151617
28:50
hundred 1500 to APSA 9 to 400 to APSA 6, which is 80 bucks to an
28:57
STC altered, which is 60 bucks to an STC 9, which is 300 bucks.
29:03
Like it's just, you know, you know, honestly, it is, it's,
29:08
it's frustrating and, but also so you can look at it from the
29:13
negative point of, oh, it's frustrating and you know, this
29:16
sucks and you know, but we need grading, right?
29:18
So we don't get ripped off. How funny is that, right?
29:24
We need grading so we don't get ripped off, but but instead
29:27
we're getting ripped off a different way.
29:29
It's just nuts and you know, because we need grading so we
29:34
could tell whether a car has been altered or yet, you know,
29:37
trimmed or whatever. But but if the graders can't get
29:40
it right, then then, you know, the experts can't get it right.
29:44
Then then who's supposed to get it right?
29:46
I mean it, it's honestly, it's just, it's just frustrating.
29:49
But from the other side of the coin, you know, there's some
29:52
guys that I know that Greg, they they bring their loops out, they
29:57
buy, I appeal, they they look and they'll overpay for cards.
30:01
Well, why? Because they state they say,
30:04
Hey, the grade does not is not justified, right?
30:08
So I'm going to buy this PSA five.
30:11
I'm going to buy this PSA 6 card and I'm going to crack it and
30:16
I'm going to resubmit it and get a seven and eight A9.
30:22
I mean, gosh, I've man, it's, it's crazy.
30:26
So IA guy I, I, I bought a Yogi Berra 52 tops and APSA eight.
30:33
OK, the guy I bought it from, he, he cracked it out of a
30:39
Becket holder, a lower grade Becket holder and sent it to
30:45
PSA. Got a, got an 8 on the card home
30:49
run, right? That's a, it's a huge come up
30:52
and, and then I bought the card and, and so, you know, it's
30:57
just, and there's stories like that all over the hobby, man,
31:01
just all over. So I mean, I think if you have a
31:03
good eye, some people have better eyes, some people are
31:06
more patient because it takes patience.
31:08
It takes, sometimes you fall on your face and you thought it's
31:12
not always, you know, a winning story.
31:15
It's it's sometimes it's a losing story of, Hey, I cracked
31:18
a card and I got an authentic altered and, or it might take
31:21
6-7 months to go through the iterations of sending it back
31:25
and stuff like that. But, but you know, it's just
31:28
honestly, it's frustrating man, to like, imagine, just imagine
31:33
being the normal person, right? Hey, I'm just a normal guy.
31:36
I, I just bought a card yesterday, this weekend from
31:39
golden, like it was a three MK from golden and the card is
31:47
beautiful, a Jackie Robinson three MK.
31:51
I'm not going to sell that as a three MK, I'm going to crack it
31:54
and send it to SG. It'd be interesting if I sent it
31:57
to PSAI, don't know where. So that's my story.
32:03
Yeah, it's, it's, I think everything you just said is how
32:08
all of us feel. I think it's frustrating.
32:11
It's we are using the experts to not get ripped off, but then you
32:16
see a car jumping around 3 grades and you don't know what
32:19
to think. And, and to me, when I see this,
32:23
this is, this is my take away. My take away is it's proof that
32:29
the number should really not be dictating what you're willing to
32:35
buy a card for. Because if this card could have
32:39
been a nine yesterday and now it's a six or vice versa or an
32:43
altered and now a 9 or an and 9.5.
32:46
If you like the looks of the card, if you are looking at a
32:49
card and you like the looks of it and you go, I don't know how
32:52
this thing is a four. Well, maybe it's not a four.
32:56
Like we use, we use grades as facts.
33:00
We, we treat them as it's a this is an 8.
33:03
This is an 8 Jackie Robinson card.
33:06
No, the opinion is it's an 8. Like I might see a girl walking
33:11
down the mall and I go, she's hot and I might look at you or
33:15
you might look at her and go, what are you talking about?
33:18
It's an opinion that one person has or maybe two people has.
33:22
And I think what you just said is so important.
33:26
I think it's patience and it's having a good eye and being
33:31
able, being able to sit and wait and wait until the right card
33:38
comes up. And when the right card comes up
33:41
then it's fine because you've been patient the whole time.
33:45
So patience, having a good eye, trusting your eye, you go, man,
33:50
that thing doesn't look like a four.
33:51
That thing looks like an 8, but they're asking 5 prices.
33:56
I could see stepping up to five prices just because the four
34:00
says it's a four. So I think that that's really
34:03
good advice. And I think the more we see
34:07
stuff like this, I think that the the Gray area between one
34:13
grade and the next is going to blur more and more.
34:16
And that leaf, Jackie Robinson that our buddy David Chase was
34:20
going after, the one that had the staple marks the staple
34:23
holes in it and it sold for like 4 prices but it.
34:28
Sold for more than it sold for 27,000.
34:31
And it was a one, right, because it had the staple holes, but it
34:35
looks like it looked like an 8. I think we're going to see more
34:41
and more and more of that moving forward.
34:44
Yeah, well, the hobby appreciates a good looking piece
34:48
of art. Yeah.
34:51
That's just that's way to put it right.
34:54
The hobby appreciates a good. I mean, the corners on that card
34:56
was sharp. The registration was good, The
34:59
color was amazing, all the IT had all the attributes of a high
35:04
end card. So I mean, if you think about
35:06
it, oh, I paid 27,000 for a one. Yes, you did a one that looks
35:11
like A6 or A7. And, you know, you talked to
35:15
David about that card and he'll tell you he's put hours of
35:18
research into that specific base, that specific card.
35:23
And, and, and so he, he looked at probably hundreds of Jackie
35:27
pictures and he was like, man, this card is just the card.
35:32
And it, that card in in, in specifically is very, very hard
35:37
to get centered to top it off with good registration to top it
35:42
off with that beautiful yellow background, then to have the
35:46
blue hat, then to have you, you know, great color and sharp
35:51
corners, white borders. Like what is that?
35:54
Like this card was stapled to a book for how many years?
35:57
And, you know, like the the stories that that card could
36:01
tell. Oh yeah.
36:03
You know, or the OR maybe not right, because it was colored so
36:07
well that it probably somebody put it in the book and forgot
36:11
about it for a long, long time. And you know, who knows man, who
36:16
who knows? Like I said, who knows the
36:18
stories that a baseball card could tell and I I think again
36:23
to my point, that's why people love to buy beat up looking
36:27
cards too, because they they have great stories to tell.
36:30
A. 100% And there is a market for all of it.
36:34
And the cards that have been well loved are a different sort
36:39
of artifact. You know, it it's it's, it's
36:42
like an archaeologist who pulls T Rex tooth out.
36:46
The one that's perfectly intact, that's beautiful for one reason,
36:51
but the one that's broken off because it's sticking out of a
36:54
pterodactyl's head, that's cool for a different reason.
36:58
And there's something, there's something to be said for each of
37:01
those. And I love that we all collect
37:03
differently. Some people want the pristine
37:05
copy and some people want the one that has that could tell a
37:10
really cool story. And, and that's part of what
37:12
makes this hobby unique and it's part of what makes it it fun, is
37:17
that we're not all chasing the exact same thing.
37:19
We're chasing different things. Well, buddy, we're 37 minutes in
37:25
again. If you're out there listening
37:26
and you've not met Ash or you've not been to his website, it's
37:30
Legacy Cards with az.net. He's very active on Facebook and
37:36
Instagram and eBay live and he's at all the big shows.
37:42
And if you go to the all the big shows and, and you find the case
37:45
with all the best stuff, you're probably at Ash's booth.
37:48
So that's how you'll know if you're there.
37:52
Any parting thoughts before we wrap up our February edition of
37:56
this? Let's see, No, I mean, I, I
38:02
think the hobby is alive, man. And people are loving, are just
38:07
loving, loving to collect and trade and transact cards.
38:13
And it's just a lot of a lot of fun and people are having a good
38:17
time doing it. I love that when people bring
38:20
their kids into it. And you know, I think I don't
38:24
know if we talked about it here or not.
38:26
Yeah, I think we did, right. We talked about Strongsville
38:29
opening it up to like modern and Pokémon and and stuff like that,
38:32
which, OK, you know, nobody really cares about.
38:35
We don't care about modern and Pokémon and stuff.
38:38
But like, at the end of the day, other people do and you know,
38:44
it's and it's OK. It's what make, you know, when
38:47
when we were kids, maybe a lot of a lot of people didn't care
38:50
about 84 tops and 85 tops or and obviously people didn't care
38:55
about 86 player basketball. And look, look at how that
38:59
turned out. So, yeah, you know, I think,
39:02
man, if you just go with the theory if or the, the fun of
39:05
collecting what you like and buying what you like and yeah,
39:09
you know, just just have a good time.
39:11
It's it's, it's a good thing. And yeah, we, we, you know.
39:17
Oh, go ahead. It's funny you said, you know,
39:19
they weren't paying attention to 86 slur basketball because I
39:23
went to a lot of card shows as a kid growing up.
39:26
And I remember being at a card show in the ballroom of a
39:31
Holiday Inn, just a regular old hotel and a dealer who had
39:36
stacks and stacks and stacks of unopened team bags of star
39:41
basketball. And the guy was crickets around
39:45
him. Nobody wanted it.
39:48
And now that's the booth that now looking back, has the stuff
39:53
that's worth the most. So you never know how things
39:57
will turn out and you know there's always a different
40:01
strategy or a different angle and and that adds an element of
40:04
interest too. Yeah, it's good, man.
40:08
We, we appreciate all the people that come out and support us.
40:10
And you know that my, my son Dalen and JB and Frankie were in
40:16
Nashville this last weekend. And, and so that, that was a
40:20
good show and lots of people coming out there to support us
40:23
there. And, you know, it's just a lot
40:25
of fun when people come and come, come and support you and,
40:29
and appreciate, just appreciate, just appreciate the hobby,
40:33
right? Like at the end of the day, and
40:35
you know, sometimes we get a deal done, sometimes we don't.
40:37
And you know, we try our best to take care of everybody and make
40:41
sure it's fair for everybody. And, you know, it's, it's just a
40:45
good time And the, the shows are shows are good.
40:48
And we're, we're really happy to do it.
40:51
I, I like doing the eBay lives. eBay lives are pretty cool.
40:54
Get to get to, you know, talk to people.
40:57
Like at the end of the day, that's what we're doing, right?
40:59
We're talking a people mostly typing, but we get to talk to
41:02
people and, and that's pretty cool.
41:04
And, and that's a lot of fun as well.
41:06
So, so it's great, man. We have a good time doing it.
41:09
And we just thank everybody for supporting us.
41:11
And yeah. Well said.
41:14
And if you're out there listening and you, you have a
41:16
question you want to ask Ash or you want to bring brought up as
41:20
a topic, feel free to message me midlifecards@gmail.com.
41:25
I'd be happy to pass on some of those topics and we can pick
41:30
Ash's brain a little bit. But this is this is always fun.
41:33
But this was a fun 4041 minutes and 30 seconds.
41:38
So I look forward to seeing you in less than two months again,
41:43
but this time in Ohio instead of California, so.
41:45
It's going to be pretty crazy there, I can already tell.
41:48
It's going to be it's going to be nuts, so.
41:50
It'll be fun, but all right, man, Good.
41:53
OK, guys. Well, hey, take care, Greg.
41:55
Have a good rest of your day. All right, bye, bye.