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John Fetterman and Symone Sanders-Townsend on House Chaos (Live from DC!) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America, I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Simone Sanders-Townsend.
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  Speaker 3: I'm John Lovett.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Tommy Visor.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 5: We have an outstanding show for you tonight.
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  Speaker 1: John Fetterman is here.
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  Speaker 5: Virginia State Senate candidate Jennifer Carol Foy is here.
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  Speaker 6: Chef Jose Andres is here.
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  Speaker 5: And we are so lucky to be joined by our
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  Speaker 5: old friend, part of the Crooked family, and now the
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  Speaker 5: host of Simone on MSNBC, Simone Sanders Townsend.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 5: Would anyone here like to be Speaker of the House?
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  Speaker 5: It's competitive pay, great benefits, second in line to the presidency.
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  Speaker 5: The House of Representatives has now been without a speaker
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  Speaker 5: for 16 days. First Republicans took down Kevin McCarthy, then
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  Speaker 5: they voted down Steve Scalise, and now they have twice
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  Speaker 5: denied the gavel to a guy who never really liked.
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  Speaker 1: Elections in the first place. Jim Jordan.
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  Speaker 5: So they almost decided to give the job to interim
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  Speaker 5: speaker Patrick McHenry, at least until January, but when Republicans
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  Speaker 5: realized that would require them to do some truly crazy
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  Speaker 5: shit like work with Democrats, hold votes, govern, They ditched
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  Speaker 5: that plan. And then they started screaming and swearing at
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  Speaker 5: each other in a closed-door meeting today. Some Republicans complained
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  Speaker 5: about the death threats they were getting because they voted
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  Speaker 5: against Jordan. Some of them were waving around their pocket constitutions, apparently.
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  Speaker 5: One guy left to go pray the rosary. And then
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  Speaker 5: one guy looked like he was about to kick Matt
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  Speaker 5: Gaetz's ass.
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  Speaker 1: So, I mean... Sounds like a great workplace culture. I
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  Speaker 1: wish I was there.
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  Speaker 5: Simone, what do you think Matt Gaetz and his seven
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  Speaker 5: goofballs have accomplished by overthrowing Kevin McCarthy?
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  Speaker 7: I mean, utter chaos. They have accomplished utter chaos. Y'all
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  Speaker 7: thought it was chaotic before. It was amateur hour at
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  Speaker 7: the OK Corral last week, honey. This is something new.
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  Speaker 7: I just think it's so insane because, like, where does
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  Speaker 7: it end? You know, like, My money was always on
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  Speaker 7: that Speaker McCarthy was going to get ousted.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't going to.
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  Speaker 7: Survive the whole continuing resolution, debt limit situation.
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  Speaker 2: But where do we go from here?
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  Speaker 7: Because the only person that has managed to get enough
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  Speaker 7: votes to get close to 217 has been Hakeem Jeffries. Like,
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  Speaker 7: where are five of those Republicans that sit in districts
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  Speaker 7: that Joe Biden won? We're five of those House Republicans
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  Speaker 7: who are willing to say, you know what? We're going
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  Speaker 7: to vote for Hakeem and maybe he'll back us in
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  Speaker 7: the next year and give us a little money so
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  Speaker 7: we don't lose.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just absolutely crazy. It's embarrassing.
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  Speaker 7: And Joe Biden can send whatever packages he wants to
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  Speaker 7: send to Congress. Without a Speaker of the House, no
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  Speaker 7: package is going to pass anything.
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  Speaker 5: Dan, why has it been so hard for Republicans to
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  Speaker 5: elect a Speaker? Kevin McCarthy, by the way, he's been
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  Speaker 5: saying this every day for the last two weeks. He's
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  Speaker 5: still saying it's Democrats' fault. Even after everything that happened today,
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  Speaker 5: it's Democrats' fault that they can't.
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  Speaker 1: Elect a speaker.
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  Speaker 7: That's what got him in this in the first place.
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  Speaker 7: To be very clear, that's what got him in this mess.
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  Speaker 7: The Democrats probably, not even probably, I know for a
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  Speaker 7: fact from all of the Democratic members of Congress I
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  Speaker 7: spoke to, had Kevin McCarthy not gone on television with
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  Speaker 7: Margaret Brennan, love Margaret, shout out to Margaret Brennan, Okay,
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  Speaker 7: but gone on television with Margaret Brennan and blamed Democrats
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  Speaker 7: after they helped him fund the government, keep the government open,
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  Speaker 7: he probably would still be the Speaker of the House.
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  Speaker 3: On the blaming of Democrats, it really is this sort
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  Speaker 3: of like child of divorce. You're yelling at mom because
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  Speaker 3: you know mom cares. You know, mom is the one
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  Speaker 3: who you can hurt. And dad's fucking gone.
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  Speaker 1: BetterHelp.
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  Speaker 8: Brought to you by BetterHelp.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, Dan.
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  Speaker 3: The question was to Dan.
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  Speaker 4: It is funny that Kevin McCarthy lost his leadership 16
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  Speaker 4: days ago. We no longer have to care what the
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  Speaker 4: junior member from Bakersfield thinks.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a backbencher now.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't even have a committee. Who cares what he says?
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  Speaker 4: I think there are three reasons why the Republicans can't
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  Speaker 4: pick a speaker. The first is, and this is going
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  Speaker 4: to come as a shock to everyone, These are not
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  Speaker 4: the sharpest knives in the drawer.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, no.
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  Speaker 4: Some would say they're spoons.
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  Speaker 2: Don't disrespect spoons like that, Dan. Disrespectful.
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  Speaker 4: Gates didn't think it through. Scalise didn't think it through.
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  Speaker 4: Jim Jordan clearly hasn't thought it through. They don't really
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  Speaker 4: know what they're doing. They have no solution. Now, the
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  Speaker 4: second problem is the Republican Party is no longer a
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  Speaker 4: coherent party. For a long time, they at least organized
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  Speaker 4: themselves around smaller governments, lower taxes, let corporations do whatever
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  Speaker 4: they want, invade countries willy-nilly. But they have nothing in
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  Speaker 4: common now, right? Like just think of, it's just a
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  Speaker 4: coalition of people who largely disagree about what they stand
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  Speaker 4: for and disagree.
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  Speaker 1: On who they hate.
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  Speaker 4: And so you have people who are neocons who want
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  Speaker 4: to invade every country. You have people who are, Supporting
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  Speaker 4: Russia and opposing all this funding that Biden wants to spend.
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  Speaker 4: You have people who love Trump, people who hate Trump,
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  Speaker 4: people who pretend to love Trump. You have the people,
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  Speaker 4: the Matt Gaetz's and the Marjorie Taylor Greene's are just
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  Speaker 4: kind of there for the lulls. You have the Paul
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  Speaker 4: Ryan descendants who want to cut Medicare. You have the populists.
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  Speaker 4: They stand in front of this and they can't, there's
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  Speaker 4: no purpose, collective purpose for being there. So they won't,
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  Speaker 4: they can't, there's no urgency. There's nothing they want to
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  Speaker 4: pass collectively that would make them actually put aside petty
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  Speaker 4: grievances to pick a speaker. And the third reason is
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  Speaker 4: the House of Representatives won six of the government, and
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  Speaker 4: they hate government. They don't want to do anything. They
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  Speaker 4: exist to destroy government. And so the idea that they
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  Speaker 4: would put aside, take tough votes to try to make
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  Speaker 4: government work is such a foreign concept to them that
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  Speaker 4: they can't possibly do it. You don't hire arsonists to
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  Speaker 4: be firefighters, and that's what this is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: They make the argument that government can't work and then
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  Speaker 5: they go about proving it. So Tommy, I will admit,
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  Speaker 5: I was kind of surprised that Jordan didn't get it
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  Speaker 5: today or yesterday only because I figured when everyone was like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Sean Hannity's producers sending out letters, they're threatening people, right?
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, usually when like the MAGA wing
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  Speaker 5: of the party, which is now most of the party,
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  Speaker 5: when they start threatening more establishment Republicans, they end up
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  Speaker 5: getting their way and the Republicans cave. But apparently, were
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  Speaker 5: you surprised that not everyone caved to Jim Jordan's threats?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if surprised.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, look, we might eat these words tomorrow, but
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  Speaker 10: so far it seems like maybe he's bad at politics.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, I'm not even trying to be glib. There's
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  Speaker 10: some people, like Dan was just saying, there's some people
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  Speaker 10: who perform MAGA and then some people who believe the MAGA.
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  Speaker 10: And he believes the MAGA. And I think he has
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  Speaker 10: read one history book and he knows that.
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  Speaker 4: Congressional leaders. It was written by Brett Baer.
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  Speaker 10: Hey, I got him a $ 30 million house. Uh, Brett,
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  Speaker 10: that is, he's read like one book and he knows that,
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  Speaker 10: you know, Nancy Pelosi would like bust some heads to
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  Speaker 10: get votes, but that was once she had the power,
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  Speaker 10: not like on the way to trying to get the power.
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  Speaker 10: So he clearly offended all these moderates. Then he completely
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  Speaker 10: backtracked and he supported this, uh, short-term plan to empower
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  Speaker 10: McHenry that pissed off all the people on the right.
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  Speaker 10: And now they're just scrambling and And, you know, basically
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  Speaker 10: all they're doing is like making poor Jake Sherman just
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  Speaker 10: like sprint up and down the Capitol.
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  Speaker 1: We found the one place that gets that joke.
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  Speaker 5: Just like a lot of siren emojis all the time.
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  Speaker 4: It says so much about the State of the Republican
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  Speaker 4: Party and the right-wing media that we all legitimately believe
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  Speaker 4: that Sean Hennig's producer was going to close.
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  Speaker 1: The deal with an email.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the one thing that like sort of, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of these people... their incentive is to get
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  Speaker 3: on television and get headlines and raise money that way
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  Speaker 3: and make a name for themselves. And Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan,
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  Speaker 3: the thing about becoming this kind of basically right-wing influencer
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  Speaker 3: via Congress is it's not a team sport. It's parallel play,
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  Speaker 3: you know? And these are a bunch of toddlers who
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  Speaker 3: haven't yet learned to play together. They can sit in
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  Speaker 3: front of a camera and they can have fun by themselves.
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  Speaker 3: But they don't, like, They don't get sharing yet.
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  Speaker 1: We'll love it.
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  Speaker 5: Here's what surprised me is that some of the people
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  Speaker 5: who voted against Jordan are in safe districts and they
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  Speaker 5: voted against him for different reasons. Some of them are
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  Speaker 5: much more conservative than you would have expected. About a dozen,
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  Speaker 5: I think a dozen Republicans who are sitting in districts
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  Speaker 5: that Joe Biden won voted for Jordan, for Jim Jordan
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  Speaker 5: to speaker. They are sitting there in Biden districts and
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  Speaker 5: they voted for Jim Jordan. How much of a political
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  Speaker 5: liability do you think that will be all the way
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  Speaker 5: in 2024 when people go vote a year from now
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  Speaker 5: And if you were running a race against those Republicans,
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  Speaker 5: what would you say?
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  Speaker 3: I think, first of all, so one of those goofballs
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  Speaker 3: is a guy named Mark Molinaro. He's a Republican who
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  Speaker 3: narrowly flipped a Biden district. And here's what he said.
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  Speaker 3: He said, most people, this is why he ran as
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  Speaker 3: a kind of bipartisan Republican who isn't like these kooks.
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  Speaker 3: He voted for Jordan. Most of the people I represent
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't know the Speaker of the House if they backed
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  Speaker 3: over them with a pickup truck. Which is quite an
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  Speaker 3: endorsement of Jim Jordan. I don't think they could identify
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  Speaker 3: the body, therefore I'm a yes. I do think it's
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  Speaker 3: incumbent upon us to make it a liability. And look,
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  Speaker 3: do I think that we'll be still talking about this
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  Speaker 3: speaker's race a year from now? Probably not. But I
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  Speaker 3: do think we'll be trying to tell a story about
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  Speaker 3: Republican extremism and in one of the most important votes
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  Speaker 3: these people will ever face, a moment where voting no
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  Speaker 3: could really make a difference, deciding to say no to
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  Speaker 3: Republican extremism could really make a difference, they decided that
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  Speaker 3: for their own personal, craven, partisan needs, they were gonna
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  Speaker 3: support an agenda of someone who believes in an abortion ban,
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  Speaker 3: not at 12 weeks, not at six weeks, but at
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  Speaker 3: the moment of conception, someone who voted for the insurrection,
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  Speaker 3: who participated in the insurrection, one of the most extreme
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  Speaker 3: members of Congress, and beyond his terrible policy views, is
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  Speaker 3: one of the most radical and toxic and mean-spirited people
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  Speaker 3: in politics who practices the kind of politics that the
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  Speaker 3: vast majority of Americans say they reject and don't want
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  Speaker 3: to have to vote for. So I think we have
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  Speaker 3: to tell that story, and this is a part of
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  Speaker 3: that story.
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  Speaker 2: I think they'll be calling John to cut the ads.
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  Speaker 7: You got your ad business up, they're going to be
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  Speaker 7: calling you to cut the ads.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, sure, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I think that is correct, and on top
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  Speaker 7: of all of that, the one thing that Jim Jordan
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  Speaker 7: was in charge of this Congress, you know, the weaponization
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  Speaker 7: committee and the first hearing that they had, all of
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  Speaker 7: the Republican witnesses were like, you know, there's really no
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  Speaker 7: there there for this impeachment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, did not roll that out well.
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  Speaker 7: It didn't go well, but I just, you know, these,
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  Speaker 7: I think that every single, and you know, we've reached
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  Speaker 7: out to invite some of these members on my show
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  Speaker 7: this weekend, but I think that every single member that
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  Speaker 7: voted for Jim Jordan should be made to answer for why.
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  Speaker 2: Put a camera in their face, put a microphone in
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  Speaker 2: front of their.
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  Speaker 7: Mouth and ask them because they are accountable to their constituents.
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  Speaker 7: And I also think for the folks who voted no,
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  Speaker 7: put a camera in their face, put a microphone in
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  Speaker 7: front of their mouth and make them say it. There's
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  Speaker 7: apparently going to be another opportunity tomorrow.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so Jim Jordan has not dropped out, even though
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  Speaker 5: he met with the 20 holdouts tonight, and every single
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  Speaker 5: meeting went poorly. None of them have changed their minds.
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  Speaker 5: And so he took that to mean, keep going. So
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  Speaker 5: he's going to hold out the votes. They said they
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  Speaker 5: might hold votes over the weekend. Meanwhile, Patrick McHenry is like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to be temporary speaker. It's not going
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  Speaker 5: to happen. I don't think I have the powers of
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  Speaker 5: the speaker without a vote.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I actually don't know where they go from here, because
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  Speaker 5: it seems like unless... First of all, if there was
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  Speaker 5: a Republican who could get to 217, we would know
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  Speaker 5: who that person is by now. So I don't know
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  Speaker 5: that this gets resolved without them finally reaching out to
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  Speaker 5: Democrats or doing it with Democratic votes.
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  Speaker 7: It's literally how the government got funded. You know, we
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  Speaker 7: kept the government open because Republicans and Democrats work together,
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  Speaker 7: even though at the time, Speaker McCarthy said, I will
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  Speaker 7: never do this. We are not going to do that.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not bringing a clean, continuing resolution to the floor.
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  Speaker 7: And he ended up doing it. And again, it passed
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  Speaker 7: with more Democratic votes than Republican votes. I think eventually
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  Speaker 7: this is where they will land. It is going, it
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  Speaker 7: is already like utterly embarrassing, but it is, there are
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  Speaker 7: catastrophic consequences consequences for not having a Speaker of the House,
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  Speaker 7: for the House of Representatives not to be able to
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  Speaker 7: do business. And a number of Republican members of Congress
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  Speaker 7: went on television today and said, no, the business of
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  Speaker 7: the House is still happening. And we were on recess
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  Speaker 7: last week. No, the business of the House is actually
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  Speaker 7: not happening. And the government runs out of money on
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  Speaker 7: November 17th.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, less than a month to fund the government.
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  Speaker 2: And they don't even work that long. Let's just be
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  Speaker 2: very clear. They got like a couple more days at work.
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  Speaker 1: They go to recess.
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  Speaker 8: And they go to recess.
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  Speaker 3: So what's going on? It's mostly Tuesday to Thursday.
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  Speaker 8: Truly.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 5: When we come back, we will talk to Pennsylvania Senator
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  Speaker 5: John Fetterman. Joining us now, the junior senator from Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 5: and a friend to all of us who believe that
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  Speaker 5: every day should be casual Friday, John Fetterman.
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  Speaker 8: Hello there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm fantastic.
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  Speaker 11: Thank you. It's great to be here.
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  Speaker 5: First question, and I'm sorry I have to ask this,
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  Speaker 5: but am I speaking to the real John Fetterman?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 11: Just like in Colbert, I'm actually the body double, and
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  Speaker 11: John is looking forward to seeing it at home. But
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  Speaker 11: I've got to tell you, I found out that you
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  Speaker 11: had crudités in your green room, and I didn't. And
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  Speaker 11: I was very explicit about the rider, you know, in
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  Speaker 11: our contract.
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  Speaker 1: We like to call it a veggie track, in honor
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  Speaker 1: of you, in honor of you. I've heard that before.
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  Speaker 5: So you were last on the show about a year ago,
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  Speaker 5: after you had suffered a stroke during your Senate campaign.
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  Speaker 1: How is your recovery going, and how are you feeling?
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  Speaker 11: It's fantastic. I'm able to be here with you right now, too.
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  Speaker 11: And right now, I'm able to fully participate in my
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  Speaker 11: life as a senator.
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  Speaker 1: And I have.
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  Speaker 11: Captioning and that is effectively just like if you any
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  Speaker 11: of you in the audience wear Glasses that you see
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  Speaker 11: a book or whatever and you are not able to
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  Speaker 11: read it If you don't have your glasses doesn't mean
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  Speaker 11: you don't know how to to read of course It's
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  Speaker 11: just it's a tool and this is a tool that
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  Speaker 11: allows me to fully participate And if I just and
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  Speaker 11: if I just will say that You know it has
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  Speaker 11: made me I already thought I was a very empathetic
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  Speaker 11: kind of guy and But now after this, now just
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  Speaker 11: how incredibly important that we have the kind of technology
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  Speaker 11: for anyone with disabilities and making sure that they are
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  Speaker 11: to participate fully in our society.
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  Speaker 5: You made what I can only imagine must have been
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: an incredibly difficult decision, not only to seek help for depression,
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  Speaker 5: but to speak publicly about your struggle.
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  Speaker 1: How did you ultimately make that decision?
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  Speaker 11: I didn't really have to make a choice.
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  Speaker 1: I had to.
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  Speaker 11: I had to. After the stroke, it was incredibly difficult
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  Speaker 11: in the sense that I essentially, you know, lost my
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  Speaker 11: life briefly. And at that point after, there wasn't really,
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  Speaker 11: there wasn't a lot of, you know, kind of, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 11: it's all going to work great after the doctors. You know,
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  Speaker 11: it was just kind of like, yeah, well, But thankfully,
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  Speaker 11: I was able to make a really good recovery. And
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  Speaker 11: then after the campaign and realizing that I'm going to
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  Speaker 11: have to run for the Senate in the most visible
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  Speaker 11: and the biggest race in the nation, and the Senate
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  Speaker 11: control is riding on it, and I had to relearn
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  Speaker 11: how to speak and do it in a way that
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  Speaker 11: doesn't become the brunt of Fox News. And it really became...
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  Speaker 11: a fetish, and it was like candy for Fox News.
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  Speaker 11: And I just had to realize that's how it was
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  Speaker 11: going to be. But then throughout all of it, and
• 18:37
  Speaker 11: then after I won, and that's when the depression really hit.
• 18:48
  Speaker 11: And I broke my children's heart. And they didn't understand
• 18:53
  Speaker 11: why I couldn't get out of bed. The day after
• 18:55
  Speaker 11: the election, I couldn't get out of the bed, not
• 18:58
  Speaker 11: because I was tired, but because I didn't want to.
• 19:01
  Speaker 11: And they were like, you know, Daddy, you won. What's wrong?
• 19:07
  Speaker 11: Why aren't we enough and everything? And I continued to really,
• 19:12
  Speaker 11: and I knew that I wasn't going to come back in.
• 19:17
  Speaker 11: And after nearly dying, you know, from a medical crisis,
• 19:22
  Speaker 11: to be put on the path of, Losing your life
• 19:26
  Speaker 11: by your own hand was part of how things went.
• 19:29
  Speaker 11: And now I'm so happy to talk about mental health
• 19:32
  Speaker 11: because I want everybody to understand that if you are
• 19:36
  Speaker 11: suffering from depression or you have these issues, I'm begging you,
• 19:40
  Speaker 11: please get help. Please, please seek it out. You do
• 19:43
  Speaker 11: not need to suffer. You do not need to suffer.
• 19:47
  Speaker 11: And absolutely, absolutely, please, please, please listen. I know you
• 19:55
  Speaker 11: have a huge platform. To anyone who hears this, please
• 19:58
  Speaker 11: don't ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever hurt yourself. Because
• 20:03
  Speaker 11: it's a kind of blackness that I've never encountered in
• 20:05
  Speaker 11: my life. And you can taste it and you can
• 20:07
  Speaker 11: smell it. And it's so dark that I will never,
• 20:12
  Speaker 11: ever go back to that. And please, people need help.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: Well, we are all so, so happy that you got
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: help and that you're talking about it to help other people.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: That's very courageous.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: All right, so I heard you tell a reporter, we
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: were just talking about the speaker race. I heard you
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: tell a reporter this week that House Republicans need to
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: get their act together and decide which dick is going
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: to be speaker.
• 20:42
  Speaker 11: It was like, okay, a couple weeks ago, it was like, okay,
• 20:45
  Speaker 11: it was dick one or dick two. And now it's
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: mystery dick. Who's it going to be?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: It seems like they're still dickless right now. They're dickless.
• 20:59
  Speaker 11: That is such a sad, sad bench to pick for.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like, There's that going on.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: It seems like Congress can't do anything but pass a
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: resolution to stop you from wearing a hoodie on the
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: Senate floor. Have there been moments when you thought, man,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: I had a pretty good gig in Pennsylvania. What the
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: hell did I come here for?
• 21:23
  Speaker 11: Wait, did you, you heard about, did you heard about the,
• 21:26
  Speaker 11: the dress code issue?
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 21:28
  Speaker 12: Yes.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: No, I think we've all, I think we heard some
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah. I, I know.
• 21:33
  Speaker 11: I mean, I was, I was, I was so right.
• 21:36
  Speaker 11: I mean, my God, it's so more important if I'm,
• 21:39
  Speaker 11: if I'm, I dress like a slob that, I mean,
• 21:41
  Speaker 11: there might be Israel or Ukraine or not having the
• 21:45
  Speaker 11: government shut down. And then let's talk about, you know,
• 21:48
  Speaker 11: and also can I have a, can I have a
• 21:49
  Speaker 11: story about that?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, please.
• 21:51
  Speaker 11: So, It was kind of dying off. And then, of course,
• 21:54
  Speaker 11: my colleague from West Virginia, you know, kind of took
• 21:57
  Speaker 11: it upon it to really honor, you know, everything. And
• 22:00
  Speaker 11: he said, I'm going to have this resolution, you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 11: and and can I support this? And I was like, sure,
• 22:07
  Speaker 11: because I never I want to be clear. I never
• 22:08
  Speaker 11: asked for that. I mean, I never went to Leader
• 22:11
  Speaker 11: Schumer and like, hey, dude, you know, I want to
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: dress like this. You know, is that cool? So but again,
• 22:16
  Speaker 11: and he's like, well, here, I hope you can sign this.
• 22:19
  Speaker 11: I'm like, sure, sure. I take it. And I'm like,
• 22:20
  Speaker 11: I'll go back to the office and read it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: And then a.
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: Staffer said, hey, it's called shorts. It's the shorts act.
• 22:30
  Speaker 11: So he created like an acronym to be clever. Like,
• 22:32
  Speaker 11: you know, I was just like giggle. They were sitting
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: around their office thinking how clever.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: That was like a whole day of staff's work.
• 22:37
  Speaker 11: I know. I was, I was, I was really, I was. Well, we.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: We have this for you. There's revolting slob. I know
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: this is one of your.
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: I mean, he was really sandbagging me, and I was
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: really upset, but then I realized, hey, you're not going
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: to be around much, and I'll probably get his parking
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: space tomorrow.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: It's wild. It's wild.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: So you called out some of your progressive colleagues this
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: week for blaming the Gaza hospital explosion on Israel, and
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: you said in a statement, quote, We can talk about
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: a ceasefire after Hamas is neutralized. So what do you
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: say to people, including a lot of Israelis, who absolutely
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: agree that Hamas needs to be neutralized, but are worried
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: that a massive ground invasion of Gaza could lead to
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: tens of thousands of more civilian casualties, a bigger war
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: in the Middle East, and ultimately, potentially, a less secure Israel?
• 23:36
  Speaker 11: No, it's terrible. It's an awful situation. Absolutely as well, too. And,
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: you know, I... you know, value the, you know, my children,
• 23:44
  Speaker 11: I have three children, the lives of my children with
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: a Israeli child or a Palestinian child and all that.
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: I mean, nobody wants, you know, civilians. We have to
• 23:53
  Speaker 11: make sure of the welfare of the civilians. But, you know,
• 23:57
  Speaker 11: it's to remember that Hamas doesn't want peace. He doesn't
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: want to be negotiated with or, I mean, and, you know,
• 24:04
  Speaker 11: they massacred, you know, innocent children, women, And now they
• 24:10
  Speaker 11: have over 200 hostages with them right now as well, too.
• 24:13
  Speaker 11: So I really believe that I'm always going to decide
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: to stand on the side of Israel, you know, in
• 24:18
  Speaker 11: this place. And also after the hospital tragedy, now everyone,
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: now we know that it was, you know, it was
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: Islamic jihad. And they tried to blame it on Israel
• 24:34
  Speaker 11: on top of that as well, too, compounding that. And
• 24:36
  Speaker 11: I was disappointed by a lot of the media outlets
• 24:40
  Speaker 11: that now kind of pushed that narrative coming out immediately saying, well,
• 24:44
  Speaker 11: Hama says that it was an Israeli rocket, which we
• 24:47
  Speaker 11: all now agree that that wasn't the case.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: So speaking of foreign entanglements that are dividing the Democratic Party,
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: got to ask you about Bob Menendez, who you apparently
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: confronted on an escalator this week about his refusal to
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: resign after being indicted for bribery and acting as a
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: foreign agent for the Egyptian government.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: So first of all, good for you.
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I know, yeah. Yeah, he's gotta go. And it's astonishing.
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: Is there anyone in your audience can explain gold bars
• 25:28
  Speaker 11: in your mattress? Does anyone keep half a million dollars
• 25:34
  Speaker 11: in cash randomly across your house? You know, and he
• 25:38
  Speaker 11: claimed it was for emergencies. And then I thought, yeah, okay, well,
• 25:43
  Speaker 11: you know, my wife and I, we went to Costco
• 25:46
  Speaker 11: and got an extra flashlight for emergencies around the house.
• 25:50
  Speaker 11: So I'm sure it's pretty. And then, so let's double down.
• 25:54
  Speaker 11: Let's double down on the sleaze where now it was
• 25:58
  Speaker 11: discovered that his then-girlfriend, you know, slammed into and killed
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: a pedestrian and was just talking about how it jumped
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: on her windshield and everything, and she was never tested
• 26:11
  Speaker 11: or anything like that, and was worrying about how do
• 26:13
  Speaker 11: I get a new car? And then if you just
• 26:16
  Speaker 11: can't get any more sorted, it was like, no, he
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: was a foreign agent.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Why do you think that there are still some Senate Democrats,
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: including Leader Schumer, who still.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Haven't called on him to resign? That's what I can't understand.
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: I don't know why, and I don't speak for obviously
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: the leader or anyone else, but I do believe that
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: that's what's appropriate. And I want to be clear too,
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: it's not like we need to keep him around because
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: he need his vote like he said or anything like that. Because,
• 26:43
  Speaker 11: you know, Governor Murphy could appoint a house plant, you know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 11: and they could vote for Democrat votes, you know, until
• 26:49
  Speaker 11: there was an election. And so it's really only about,
• 26:54
  Speaker 11: it's just his own self-interest. And it's it's absolutely. And
• 26:57
  Speaker 11: if you're more offended because the way I dress versus
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: and I also want to recommend this is the second
• 27:04
  Speaker 11: the second time to the dance of being indicted by
• 27:08
  Speaker 11: the feds.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, yeah, it's a lot of indictments.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: So voters and not just Republicans and independents, but also
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: Democrats keep telling pollsters they are worried about Joe Biden's age.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: And they don't think he's done enough to bring down prices,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: even though inflation is starting to come down. What advice
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: would you give to the president on how he can
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: keep Pennsylvania blue? Very tough state, very competitive state in 2024.
• 27:41
  Speaker 11: Yeah, no, honestly, honestly, John, and it's not bravado or partisan.
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: I fundamentally know that President Biden is going to win Pennsylvania.
• 27:49
  Speaker 11: You know, I really believe that.
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: If it is Trump, you know, Joe Biden will win
• 27:59
  Speaker 11: in Pennsylvania. I absolutely, you know, allegedly, allegedly he won
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: in 2020. But but, you know, you know, Pennsylvania loves Joe.
• 28:11
  Speaker 11: And really, I will say that I don't believe that,
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: you know, some of the really pointed kind of criticisms
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: of fellow Democrats against the president aren't they're not helpful
• 28:20
  Speaker 11: at all. And I really would like to remind everybody
• 28:23
  Speaker 11: just how tough he was. And he went through, you know,
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: I thought I had it, you know, rough in my race,
• 28:29
  Speaker 11: you know, as the Senate. But, you know, he had
• 28:31
  Speaker 11: the ultimate crucible in 2020 and said that through it.
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: And he did the right thing. And he did a
• 28:37
  Speaker 11: great job after it. And he's still doing it. And
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: here he just put on a master class of diplomacy
• 28:44
  Speaker 11: going to Israel just a couple of days ago. And,
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: and again, I will say, I will say this true
• 28:51
  Speaker 11: is it's like, can you imagine what this circumstances would
• 28:53
  Speaker 11: be like now if Trump was in the white house,
• 28:56
  Speaker 11: what would be happening now in, in the middle East
• 28:58
  Speaker 11: or any of these other things too? And, you know,
• 29:01
  Speaker 11: you cannot avoid a story about inflation, but guess what?
• 29:04
  Speaker 11: They addressed it and it's going down and what happened
• 29:07
  Speaker 11: to all the, the, the articles or anything. And so, uh, I'm, I'm,
• 29:10
  Speaker 11: I'm proud to stand for, for Joe Biden with Joe Biden. Uh, and, uh, he's, he's,
• 29:15
  Speaker 11: he's incredibly strong. And I really believe he is going
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: to prevail on that.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: I do.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Senator Fetterman, thank you so much for joining us. So
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: great to have you here. Thank you so much.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the fun stuff.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: President Biden has returned from a quick trip to Israel
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: where he met with Bibi Netanyahu, convinced him to allow
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: food and medical supplies into Gaza. and pledged $ 100 million
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: in humanitarian aid to the Palestinian people. Biden is now
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: the only president to have visited not one, but two
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: active war zones. And just minutes ago, right before we started,
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: finished up a primetime Oval Office address to the nation,
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: where he asked Congress for $ 100 billion to support the
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: people of Israel and Ukraine, whose struggles he linked in
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: his speech.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Let's listen.
• 30:27
  Speaker 13: I know these conflicts can seem far away. And it's
• 30:30
  Speaker 13: natural to ask, why does this matter to America? So
• 30:33
  Speaker 13: let me share with you why making sure Israel and
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: Ukraine succeed is vital for America's national security. You know,
• 30:40
  Speaker 13: history has taught us that when terrorists don't pay a
• 30:43
  Speaker 13: price for their terror, when dictators don't pay a price
• 30:46
  Speaker 13: for their aggression, they cause more chaos and death and
• 30:50
  Speaker 13: more destruction.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: So we just watched the speech backstage. Tommy, what did
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: you think of Biden's message? overall his trip to Israel?
• 31:00
  Speaker 10: So we caught most of the speech backstage. It seems
• 31:03
  Speaker 10: like he's trying to do something very hard, sort of
• 31:04
  Speaker 10: an inside game and an outside game. I think the
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: outside game is trying to explain to the public a
• 31:10
  Speaker 10: very complicated thing, which is why the wars in Ukraine,
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: in Israel, and supporting our allies there matter to us, matter.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: To American security.
• 31:19
  Speaker 10: And there's sort of an inside game, which is trying
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: to get Congress to get its act together to pack
• 31:24
  Speaker 10: this big funding package and to do it quickly. The
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: trip to Israel, like, look, first of all, I respect
• 31:30
  Speaker 10: the hell out of President Biden's willingness to tackle these
• 31:33
  Speaker 10: problems head on, literally put himself at risk, both in
• 31:37
  Speaker 10: Israel and by going to Kiev earlier this year. I mean,
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: that takes a lot of guts.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: It really does.
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: I know people who are in the room with him
• 31:44
  Speaker 10: in Israel, had a meeting with him. Like, it's incredibly
• 31:47
  Speaker 10: meaningful to a country that's gone through just unbelievable, historic,
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: horrific trauma. And I think it meant a lot to
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: the entire country. I think that, you know, I hope
• 31:58
  Speaker 10: that behind the scenes he was able to talk to
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: Netanyahu about not rushing whatever happens next, whether it's a
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: ground offensive, hopefully reining back the clip of these airstrikes,
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: focusing more on allowing humanitarian relief into Gaza, because, you know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: there are.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: A lot of innocent people around.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Who are suffering.
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: I saw that he got on the phone with the
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: president of Egypt on the way home from Israel. He
• 32:24
  Speaker 10: convinced them to allow 28 trucks into the Gaza Strip.
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: That is a start.
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: We should just be honest, though, that 20 trucks is
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: not going to do what it takes to take care
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: of 2 million people. I think the message that he
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: brought of, like, let's not repeat the mistakes that we
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: made in America in 9-11 was a powerful one and
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: a really important one. I just want to make sure
• 32:46
  Speaker 10: that Netanyahu listens. And some of the initial reports coming
• 32:50
  Speaker 10: out of the trip suggest that it's going to take
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: a bit. It's going to take some more repeating of
• 32:54
  Speaker 10: that message. Like the Israeli war cabinet does not have
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: a plan for the day after a ground invasion. And
• 32:59
  Speaker 10: like that is understandable because they didn't know that the
• 33:04
  Speaker 10: attack on the 7th was going to happen. So obviously
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: they didn't have time to plan, but hopefully they heard
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: that note of caution. My anxiety long-term though is that
• 33:15
  Speaker 10: The picture of Biden in Netanyahu hugging at the airport,
• 33:18
  Speaker 10: sort of sitting side by side, will suggest to a
• 33:21
  Speaker 10: lot of the world that Israel's response is also America's response,
• 33:26
  Speaker 10: no matter how well or badly it goes. And it
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: just means we take ownership of something that could be
• 33:33
  Speaker 10: very scary, could lead to a lot of civilian casualties.
• 33:36
  Speaker 10: And so, you know, that's my note of caution. But
• 33:38
  Speaker 10: I hope that Biden, through this aggressive diplomacy, and really
• 33:43
  Speaker 10: bold diplomacy, is able to get Netanyahu to think twice,
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: be cautious, not act rashly, and hopefully he can save
• 33:51
  Speaker 10: some civilian lives.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: So, Simone, both the trip and the speech were high-stakes
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: moves that required a lot of planning and a short
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: period of time. Having been in the White House, what's
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: it like to put all that together? And what kind
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: of domestic... political considerations do you think went into these decisions?
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: So one, I think, as you all know, is stressful
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: to put those kind of things together. But I think
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: that this, you know, the folks I used to work
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: for the president, I think he himself, you know, Joe
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: Biden will tell you that he is his best political advisor,
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: as I think every president will tell you. And he
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: has deep, long, deep, deep, deep ties when it comes
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: to foreign policy. You know, he served as the chair
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He I think has
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: said on a number of occasions that he has known
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: Prime Minister Netanyahu.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: He's like, I've known Bibi for 40 years. And that's true.
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: And so I think that he himself, just from my
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: reading of it, felt that he had to go and
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: be there and be on the ground. And he knows
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: this issue and has such a connection to the prime
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: minister that it was important that he is very much so,
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: I mean, he's always involved, but like leaning in and
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: in every nitty gritty detail of America's not just response,
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: but our coordination with the government of Israel.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: That being said, I don't know if initially folks were
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: thinking about a domestic response. And that's what it felt
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: like from the outside looking in.
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: I think from people that I know who are currently
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: inside the administration, there were voices that did raise some
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: things about just the optics domestically. But I also know
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: that a number of Arab Americans who serve in the
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: administration initially did not feel as though that they were
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: heard that their concerns were being taken into account. They
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: raised the potential for the humanitarian issues early and it
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: wasn't until maybe a week later that everybody started talking
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: about the humanitarian crisis that we all knew if we
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: were just watching would be unfolding in Gaza. And so
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: I think the thing that the administration has to keep
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: in mind is that there is a generational divide within
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: the Democratic Party apparatus when you talk about what is
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: happening in the Middle East. And you've seen that in
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: the response over the last two weeks. And because of
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: that generational divide, I think there are some younger Democrats
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: that may view the president's trip and his speech tonight
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: differently than some older Democrats. I also think, frankly, that
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: there are people across the country who say, yes, what
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: Hamas did was terrible. Yes, we have to stand with
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: and support our friends. But also, why do we have
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: all these millions of billions of dollars for Israel and Ukraine,
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: but we don't have money domestically? Now, people don't understand
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: these two separate buckets. I'm just telling y'all what the
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: people said. I'm not saying that's how I feel. I'm
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: just reporting on the news. And so, but that is
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: a real sentiment. And so if you do not explain
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: to people Or not even explain. The president, I think,
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: did a fine job of explaining why this matters and why,
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: you know, America can't be absent here.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: But last week, it was reported in the press.
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: That the $ 100 billion aid package would have money for Taiwan, Israel, Ukraine,
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: and domestic priorities. We didn't hear anything about domestic priorities tonight.
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: And I think that that will be a vulnerable spot
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: for this White House going forward.
• 37:21
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: Love it to Simone's point about sort of the growing
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: pressure from within the Democratic Party, especially among progressives and
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: young people who want either a ceasefire or at least
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: more done to help and protect civilians in Gaza. How
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: big of an issue do you think that will be
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: for Biden going forward? And what, if anything, can he
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: do about it?
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: So there's been a lot of polling recently. that basically
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: shows there is, you know, you put aside the kind
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: of loud conversation taking place online, there is kind of
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: broad support in the United States for Israel. There's broad
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: support for Israel's right to defend itself. But when you
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: look at poll after poll, you find that as you
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: get younger, that support gets more ambivalent.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: And it reduces.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: And I think that's in part because this, there's a
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: lot of shorthand and assumptions that go into how we
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: talk about Israel and America's support for Israel. And a
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: lot of, I think, exposure to history that just hasn't
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: happened over, say, the last 10 or 20 years. And
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: what you see online, I think, is a lot of,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: I think, right-wing pro-Israel rhetoric. And then I do think
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: you see a lot of left-wing rhetoric that is if
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: not just anti-Zionist, it is anti-Semitic. I do think that
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: there is this big space for, like I draw a
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: very big distinction between protesters who were at the Capitol
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: yesterday for If Not Now, who believe in Israel's right
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: to exist, who do not believe Israel is fundamentally illegitimate,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: but for the sake of the future of a democratic
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: and Jewish state, that restraint is necessary, that Israel will
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: not be free unless Palestine is free. Palestine will not
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: be free unless Israel is safe. Israel will not be
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: safe unless Palestinian people have hope for a better future.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: And that that together... and that that story, I think,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: is not really a story that's being told. I think
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: that's the story Joe Biden has been telling over the
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: past week, and even tonight, making reference to the importance
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: of a two-state solution, making reference to the importance of
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: the humanity of the people of Gaza. But I do
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: think that it is a that that is the kind
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: of message we need to carry because otherwise I think
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of young people who don't understand this issue,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: who don't understand that it is possible to believe and
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: support Israel's right to exist and defend itself while also
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: believing in the humanity and the dignity and the rights
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: of people in Gaza and the way in which people
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: in Gaza and the West Bank have been so poorly
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: represented by their leadership and are not represented by a
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: terrorist organization like Hamas. I think that is the job.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: And I think that requires some nuance on the part
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: of those of us that feel right now, I think,
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: surprised by some of the vitriol and anti-Semitism that we see,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: and also the kind of quiet conversation and worry about
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: how fragile Israel is, especially given the fears people have
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: of what their neighbors might do or the way this
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: conflict might escalate, while at the same time understanding that
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: what we're hearing from the far right is not persuasive
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: and only pushes people away from supporting the humanity of
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: both Israelis and Palestinians.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Can I just say one other thing? Y'all can clap,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: because that's clap worthy.
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: Okay?
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: They missed that cue. They missed that clap cue.
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: I also think that to Lovett's point, there's just a
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: lack of, like some of y'all missed AP World History
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: or just World History period. It's very clear that people
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: were not paying attention during that section of the class,
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: if that class even existed in your school in the
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: first place, which is a whole nother conversation. And I
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: would just implore people to look at the videos, to
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: look at the pictures, to look to read the accounts
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: of the young people who survived that festival on October 7th,
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: because it is harrowing. And I feel as though a
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: lot of people have not actually read and looked and
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: listened and heard what actually happened, because if so, I
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: do not think a lot of my extremely progressive friends
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: would be so quick to say, oh, well, you know,
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: when people are living under occupation for X amount of years,
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: this is bound to happen.
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, no.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Two things can be true at the same time.
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: The Palestinian, there is a very complicated situation, and the
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: Palestinian people, they have been living under occupation.
• 42:17
  Speaker 14: And Hamas terrorized, killed, raped, kidnapped children, babies, burned grandmothers
• 42:29
  Speaker 14: in their homes, There is no equivalency here.
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: And I really think we just need to pay attention
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: and get off the damn internet because.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: It is, it's harrowing.
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: And I frankly was, I frankly, and the last thing
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: I'll say is I frankly was disgusted as a young
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: person who spent a lot of time near movement politics
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: for a while. I have been disgusted by what I
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: have seen from some of, not all of, but some
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: of the activist community in equating Hamas with the struggle
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: for Black Lives Matter here in the United States. Those
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: ain't our people. The people is the Palestinians. Hamas is
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: not your people.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, two things are true.
• 43:20
  Speaker 10: One, I think intersectional social justice movements should include concern
• 43:23
  Speaker 10: about anti-Semitism, one.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Two, separate thought.
• 43:26
  Speaker 10: Big picture, you can support a country and its people
• 43:30
  Speaker 10: and its ideals and dislike its leaders. I think a
• 43:34
  Speaker 10: lot of people abroad love the United States, what it
• 43:37
  Speaker 10: stands for, the people who live here.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: They didn't love Donald Trump.
• 43:41
  Speaker 10: That's how I feel about Israel. I want Israel to exist.
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: It's got an incredible dynamic people. I think it is
• 43:48
  Speaker 10: suffering from terrible leadership under Bibi Netanyahu. And I think
• 43:54
  Speaker 10: talking about his leadership and policy failings is an entirely
• 43:59
  Speaker 10: different thing that we should all do and feel comfortable doing.
• 44:02
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, I think it's your point about everyone
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: getting off the internet. It's like, there is a lot
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: of bad information out there. There's a lot of incomplete
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: information out there. There are social media algorithms that lift
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: up the most extreme examples on both sides and force
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: you to watch them all the time and consume them
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: all the time.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: And you know what?
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: Like not everyone has to give their take on everything
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: in that moment or ever. And like, this is just like,
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: it's fog of war and for everyone to take a breath.
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: And like you said, like there are, like there are
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: families and children who were massacred in Israel and there
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: are civilians and children and families who have been killed
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: for nothing in Gaza right now. And there is antisemitism
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: that we are struggling with and there's Lamophobia that we're
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: struggling with. And part of this is being able to
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: take a beat, take a pause and, give people grace
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: who are trying to understand this and recognize that there
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: is a common humanity here, which like the information environment
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: we live in right now does not really allow for.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: And that's just something, but we have the choice to
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: decide to just take a beat on that. All right,
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: so Biden's likely opponent in 2024, who is, you know, he's, he's, he's, well,
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: you know what, he's focused like a laser on this issue.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: He is as thoughtful as ever.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: And here's Donald Trump outside of the Manhattan courtroom where
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: the civil fraud trial that could bring down his business
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: empire is taking place.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: This was him yesterday.
• 45:47
  Speaker 13: But this is what we go through because they want
• 45:48
  Speaker 13: to keep me here instead of Iowa, New Hampshire.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: South Carolina and lots of other great places.
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: They want me to be here.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Will you be back tomorrow by any chance?
• 45:59
  Speaker 13: Probably not. I probably will have a very big tournament,
• 46:03
  Speaker 13: professional golf tournament at Durrell, so probably not.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I'm stuck here. I'll be at a golf tournament.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: He doesn't have to go. He never needs to go.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: So Trump is, of course, choosing to be in court.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: He seems to think these appearances are helping him. If
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: you look at the polls, they're at least not hurting him.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: His crushing lead in the Republican primary keeps growing. And
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: he's either tied or ahead of Joe Biden in nearly
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: every recent national or swing state poll.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Dan, what's going on? Answer, Dan. Help us out.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Let's go. Hey, Dan, what the fuck?
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: I was just sitting here thinking how I had dodged
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: having to answer really tough questions about Israel and Palestine.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got yours now.
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: So I get this one.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got yours now.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: So is the question you're asking me, why is Donald
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Trump becoming more appealing to swing voters after getting indicted
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: for 91 crimes, including racketeering, overthrowing an election? And all
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: these other things?
• 47:11
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. And like, I get the Republican primary.
• 47:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: We know those people.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: We know that.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: I'm going to give you two answers. One's more hopeful
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: than the other. The first is the gap between people
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: who engage with politics and the overwhelming majority of Americans
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: has never been greater than.
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: It is right now.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: This is going to come as a huge shock to
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: the people in this room, but there are millions of
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: Americans who are going to wake up in like March...
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: and be like, holy shit, Donald Trump is running for president?
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: That has not processed for most Americans yet. Most Americans
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: have not seen Donald Trump speak since January 6th, 2021.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Maybe they've seen a picture of him at a courthouse.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: They don't really know what the context is, but that
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: is it. And so people are not engaged with the race.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: And so The most optimistic, glass half full take, the
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: ones I'm most famous for, is the idea that when
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: the race engages, the anti-MAGA majority in this country will
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: reconstitute itself. And there are reasons to believe that, because
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: the reason Joe Biden is losing to Trump in these
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: polls is that Joe Biden's getting about three quarters of
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: the voters who voted for him in 2020, and Trump's
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: getting about 85% of the people who voted for him
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: in 2020. So that's the difference. And these things could
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: both be true at the same time. The more alarming
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: thing to think about, and it doesn't mean that Joe
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Biden is going to lose, now Trump's going to win,
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: but it's something we have to think about, is I
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: think most people who work in politics and think about
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: politics and podcasts and politics don't fully understand the political
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: environment we're currently in. It's a reason we keep getting
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: everything wrong. It's why we thought Joe Biden was going
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: to win by a lot, and he wins by a little.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: It's why we thought Democrats would get destroyed in 2022,
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: and we pick up a Senate seat. It's why we
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: thought Donald Trump would suffer by getting a dead anyone
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: times and he goes up in the polls. And there
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: is this poll from that Pew did last month that
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: I cannot stop thinking about.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I know you talk about it all the time.
• 49:17
  Speaker 12: It is.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: It just is. And I think everyone who works in
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: politics should read it because what it shows us is
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: the electorate right now, the American public right now, is
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: more cynical, distrustful, and angry than it has ever been
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: in the history of the Pew poll. 4% of Americans
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: think the political system is working well.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: And those people are absolute fucks. Fucking freaks.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: There are eight, the words most commonly associated when you
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: ask people what they think about, when they think about
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: politics today, what words come to mind are angry and exhausted.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: Eight in 10 Americans think that politicians think, do not
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: think about people like them. 85% of them think that
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: the system doesn't work. You have the largest share of
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: voters ever, 30% of Americans disapprove of both parties. There
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: is something that is going on. And if we really
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: step back and we, like, get it.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: It seems like there's a lot of things going on. Well,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, we.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: Keep asking why. When we get surprised by what has happened,
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: we ask, like, why didn't the old models work? And
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: we think it's just going to happen the next time.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: And there's something else happening. And it does, I think,
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: if we internalize that fact, it does explain a little
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: bit why this people are so. Let me put it
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: this way. Distrust of the federal government is the highest
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: level ever. Distrust of the Supreme Court, the disproval of
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: the Supreme Court is the highest level ever. Disapproval of Congress,
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: highest level ever. Disproval of the media, highest level ever.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: It explains a little bit why a series of indictments
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: from government entities reported on by the media is not
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: moving a lot of voters when it comes to Trump.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: And I think it does have real implications for how
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: we as Democrats think about messaging. Because we say all
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: the time, this campaign is about saving democracy. And it is. Ultimately,
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: if Donald Trump wins... We know what is going to happen.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: But if we run as the people who are trying
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: to preserve the political system that 96% of Americans don't
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: think is working well, that's a real problem. And I
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: think that we're in this incredibly volatile environment, and that
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: is lifting Donald Trump up. And we're going to have
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: to find ways to take that into account when we
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: think about our messaging. Because if all of our campaign
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: is to make him seem like someone who's not a politician,
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: an outsider who doesn't get it, that's kind of how
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: he won in 2016, and it could happen again.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm thinking about the point Simone made earlier,
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: which is like, and this is a challenge for anyone
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: who's president, right? Which is crises come up that whether
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: they fit into your political message or not, you just
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: have to deal with because that's the job, you know,
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: and you're there to make a difference and protect America.
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: And Joe Biden's up there tonight and he's like, yeah,
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: $ 100 billion for Ukraine and Israel and the border and
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: Taiwan and, And first of all, how many people are
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: tuned into that speech and are going to get the message?
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: Or are they going to get the takes about the
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: speech from both the far right and anyone on the
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: left who is critical, right?
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: That's number one. And then number two, if they have consumed.
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: The speech, are they going to think, well, I still
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: feel like I'm seeing all these headlines that inflation is
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: coming down, but the prices still seem a little high,
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: and I still have student debt, and my health care
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: is kind of expensive, and I'm like wondering... I'm seeing
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: all this chaos in Washington and the Republicans seem like assholes,
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: but I also am wondering who's going to speak to me,
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: who's going to help me. And when you start thinking
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: about that, you're like, oh yeah, how does like, how
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: does Biden, who's got to deal with all these international
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: challenges because they've fallen in his lap and he has
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: no choice. How does he do that and still have
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: a message that says, by the way, like, I know
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: that you're still hurting out there, but Donald Trump's going
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: to be a disaster.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: And I have a better plan here.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think he has to say all of that.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: But not only is Donald Trump going to be a disaster.
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: I mean, you it is not a motivational message to
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: say that guy sucks.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Vote for me. Yeah, because he sucks.
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: When candidates come on my show, I'm always like, tell
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: me why the people should vote for you without talking
• 53:19
  Speaker 7: about naming your opponent. And that is, in fact, I
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: think what Democrats up and down the ticket have to do.
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: Every single member of the House of Representatives is up
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: for reelection. 11 states are going to choose new governors
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: on top of the presidential, on top of key Senate races,
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: where I think the, the, the chamber, you know, control
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: of the chamber is going to be decided. And look,
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: I think that, look, look, the, the, the press, we're
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: not always going to ask the questions that people really
• 53:46
  Speaker 7: want to be asked.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: You know, people, you know, people go on TV and.
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: You should be getting asked about the economy and the
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: numbers when it's doing.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: Well, but it's not.
• 53:55
  Speaker 8: So boring.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: I know, the economy not, I think.
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: That Democrats should go. They should do the interviews and
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: also talk about the things that are that they also
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: want to talk about. In addition to answering the questions.
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: I also think there's a responsibility on the media apparatus
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: to not just cover everything that is bad.
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, not holding my breath on that one.
• 54:15
  Speaker 10: To your point earlier, Simone, like, yeah, I had the
• 54:18
  Speaker 10: same thought. I keep hearing Democrats talk about how much
• 54:19
  Speaker 10: we need a speaker of the House and then journalists
• 54:22
  Speaker 10: will say why. And their answer is basically, so we
• 54:25
  Speaker 10: can shovel a bunch of money out the door to
• 54:27
  Speaker 10: foreign countries. And listen, I worked on the NSC. I'm like,
• 54:30
  Speaker 10: I'm all on board with this spending. But the average
• 54:32
  Speaker 10: person's like, what? And this is very funny, because I
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: do feel.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Like we're in a bit of a role reversal here, Dan.
• 54:38
  Speaker 10: Because back in the day, Ben Rhodes and I would
• 54:40
  Speaker 10: come into Dan's office, and he'd be like, what the
• 54:42
  Speaker 10: fuck are you two looking for?
• 54:43
  Speaker 8: You know what I mean?
• 54:44
  Speaker 10: Because Dan's view on this was like any minute wasted
• 54:47
  Speaker 10: talking about what these nerds want to talk about. It's like,
• 54:50
  Speaker 10: we could be talking about something else. Normally, I would think, yes,
• 54:53
  Speaker 10: Joe Biden has to talk about Ukraine. He has to
• 54:55
  Speaker 10: talk about what's happening in Israel and Gaza. And of course,
• 54:59
  Speaker 10: like as president, people turn on the TV, they see
• 55:01
  Speaker 10: scary things. They want to know you're managing it.
• 55:03
  Speaker 8: That's fine.
• 55:03
  Speaker 10: But also, you know, Joe Biden just kind of like
• 55:05
  Speaker 10: took two big guns out of the communications.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Where do you keep guns? Holsters.
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: Holsters.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: You know, like a.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: That's where I keep mine. I guess we're not winning
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: in Montana. Arrows out of the quiver, Tommy.
• 55:20
  Speaker 10: These are two big arrows out of the quiver. The
• 55:24
  Speaker 10: Oval Office address in the 60 Minutes interview.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: Tweets out of your draft folder.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: The tweets out of the draft folder.
• 55:30
  Speaker 10: And, you know, the end of the 60 Minutes interview,
• 55:32
  Speaker 10: they're like, are you sure you want to run again?
• 55:34
  Speaker 12: Yes.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Well, why should people vote for you?
• 55:36
  Speaker 10: And Biden's message is basically, what if we could have
• 55:39
  Speaker 10: peace in the Middle East and drive the Russians out
• 55:41
  Speaker 10: of Ukraine? And like, again, things I really want, but
• 55:44
  Speaker 10: I think to Simone's point, is sort of leaving out
• 55:46
  Speaker 10: this vast domestic list of priorities that I think most
• 55:50
  Speaker 10: Americans are really focused on.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: People are like, does peace in the Middle East mean
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: I have cheaper gas? Maybe.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: It does, yes.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, it does.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think, like, normally in this, Tommy is right.
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: I would always say that every minute talking about foreign
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: policy was a minute lost. We would never get back.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: See what we did with that one in the Israel-Palestine section.
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: But I will say, you have to talk about what
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: everyone is thinking about. And unlike a lot of things
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: that happen in politics, particularly that happen in international relations,
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: this one has broken through to the American people in
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: a very powerful way, as it should. And so doing
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: this speech tonight is the right thing to do, in
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: part because... I mean, some of this stuff, you know,
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: you asked Simone about the domestic politics of it. And
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: I'm sure there are people who think about the domestic
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: politics or are deeply concerned about all the things we've
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: talked about tonight. But also, you know, what's even more
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: concerning is that Biden's running for reelection in the middle
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: of a giant proxy war in the Middle East. And
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: so if his take is my best way to prevent
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: that from happening is to go to Israel and try
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: to convince Bibi, and that's going to come with great risk,
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: then that's what we do because that's the long game.
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: And so, you know, so I think that that's, All
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: the politics stuff, what you say, is going to matter
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: less than what's actually happening, and that's the stuff you're
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: trying to affect, both by going there and then also
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: giving this address so that you can get the aid
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: that will hopefully prevent the worst stuff from happening.
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: Okay, so Dan wants more foreign policy speeches, and Tommy
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: wants to talk about inflation more. When we come back,
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: Virginia State Senate candidate Jennifer Carroll Foy.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: Joining us now is former Virginia House delegate, a current
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: state Senate candidate for Virginia's 33rd district, and a fighter
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: for all Virginia families, and a longtime friend of the pod,
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: Jennifer Carol Foy. Thank you for being here.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 57:59
  Speaker 9: Thank you for having me.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: I imagine you have a lot on your plate these days.
• 58:02
  Speaker 9: Oh, you know, just some campaigns to win, some kids
• 58:05
  Speaker 9: to feed, you know, light stuff.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: I think we first met in 2017. We did a
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: show in Richmond and we came down and we, and
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: we did a canvas event and we went canvassing for
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: your campaign. And did you have two small children at
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: that time?
• 58:25
  Speaker 9: No, I was pregnant with two small children during my
• 58:28
  Speaker 9: election in 2017.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: And one of the things I took from that visit,
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: so this is 2017, Virginia. It is the first big
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: election after Donald Trump has won. And all of the
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: anger and fear and frustration that people felt was being
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: channeled into Virginia. And when we were on the ground
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: in Virginia, I was shocked by.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: How much energy and exciting momentum. There were volunteers from
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: all over the country coming. It honestly felt like a
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: presidential election. Here we are, all these years later. How
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: does it feel in Virginia right now?
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: So I think that's right.
• 59:06
  Speaker 9: In 2017, after Trump's election, there was a ubiquitous and
• 59:11
  Speaker 9: collective feeling of what in the hell has happened. And
• 59:17
  Speaker 9: you saw in response a historic number of moms and
• 59:21
  Speaker 9: social workers and teachers and people of color deciding to
• 59:26
  Speaker 9: take the jump and run for office. Even for me,
• 59:29
  Speaker 9: as a lonely public defender, making no money, I decided
• 59:37
  Speaker 9: to run for the House of Delegates while pregnant with twins,
• 59:43
  Speaker 9: winning my seat right after I gave birth to my,
• 59:49
  Speaker 9: or before I gave birth to my identical twin boys,
• 59:52
  Speaker 9: flipping a seat from red to blue. Because that was
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 9: the feeling, that was the vibe, that was the momentum.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 9: You had support coming in from all across the country
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 9: because we knew what was at stake and we needed
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 9: to save democracy after we had elected one of the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 9: most bigoted and competent men to be leader of the
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 9: free world. So now it just feels different. It feels
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 9: different because people believe that Virginia is a blue state.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: How does your Democratic governor feel about that? And I like.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 9: To remind people that with a Republican governor and a
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 9: Republican-controlled House of Delegates, we are purple at best. And
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 9: we are operating at a slim margin. Our House of Delegates,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 9: Republicans control 49 to 46, and we have a Senate Democratic.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Blue wall, 22 to 18 percent.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 9: And we have a Republican governor who is auditioning for
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 9: his presidential bid.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: So he is, listen, you said it. That right there.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: What she said. What she said.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 9: And he's made a promise to ban abortion throughout Virginia.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 9: And let's be clear, whether you call us blue, you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 9: call us purple, you do have to call us the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 9: last Southern state without an abortion ban since Roe fell.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: So the entire state ledger of Virginia is up for
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: re-election November 7th, and there's a chance that in this
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: purportedly blue state, Republicans could hold a trifecta. Help people
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: who may not be following Virginia politics so closely understand
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: what that would mean for the people of Virginia.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 9: What a Republican trifecta would mean on the Virginia state
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 9: level is that it would undo all of the amazing
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 9: progress that Democrats have made. When Republicans Democrats got the majority.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 9: We went to work and we expanded Medicaid. We repealed
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 9: the death penalty. We passed Cometon's gun safety legislation. We
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 9: gave teacher pay increases. What we needed to do, we
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 9: did it. And that's why this is so important, because
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 9: the Republicans playbook is just to undo all the great
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 9: work that we have done. So we have to acknowledge
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 9: what's at stake. Abortion is on the ballot in Virginia.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 9: Book banning is on the ballot in Virginia. And let's
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 9: be clear that if Governor Youngkin flips the Senate, we
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 9: will have all these things happen and it will empower
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 9: other purple states to believe it can happen in their
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 9: state as well.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: So now we're all at risk. We're all in danger.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 9: So it is so exceptionally important that we show this
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 9: country what Virginia can do. And I can say I'm
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 9: excited that as a delegate, I was able to carry
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 9: and pass the Equal Rights Amendment so we can finally
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 9: enshrine women's equality into the United States Constitution.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: That is on the potential ballot.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 9: When I tell you I'm excited to chief co-patient the
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 9: Reproductive Health Act, removing politically motivated and medically unnecessary restrictions
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 9: on people's access to abortion.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: That's what we got done in Virginia.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 9: So again, we have an argument to make on the
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 9: state level, but let's also look at the federal. Because
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 9: when the Democrats had a slim majority in the House
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 9: of Representatives, what did we get done? We passed the
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 9: American Rescue Plan, providing transformational historic funds to help people
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 9: navigate through COVID-19 and cut child poverty by 50%. We
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 9: passed the infrastructure bill, providing millions of dollars to repair
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 9: our roads, bridges, our ports, right? In order to expand
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 9: rural broadband. And now Republicans have a slim majority. And
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 9: what have they done? We have a budget crisis. We
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 9: have a house with no leader. So no legislative progress
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 9: can be made because we have no elected speaker, which,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 9: by the way, is the first time it's ever happened
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 9: in our country's history. We, in less than 30 days,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 9: will have another federal government shutdown. So the choices are
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 9: very clear. You're either for Democratic progress or Republican extreme dysfunction.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: You mentioned this, but I think it's worth digging in
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: a little bit. Virginia is the last safe haven for
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: abortion access in the South. Just talk a little about
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: what it would mean for women all across this country,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: people all across this country, all throughout the South, if
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: we lose this election and Republicans put in place their
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: 15-week abortion ban, that they were one vote away from
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: passing last cycle.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 9: So in Virginia, they tried to ban abortion as recent
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 9: as January. And the Republican governor is just three seats
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 9: away from making it a reality. And right now in Virginia,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 9: we're a safe haven. We are a destination for so
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 9: many millions of pregnant people across the South to come
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 9: and be able to have that right of self-determination and
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 9: bodily autonomy, to determine if, when, and how they will
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 9: start a family. And all of that is on the
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 9: ballot and at risk if we don't take Virginia elections seriously.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Because I like to think of Virginia as the bellwether.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 9: If you care about what happens in this country, then
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 9: you care about Virginia in our elections. Because it's not
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 9: just about November 7th, 2023. It is really about President
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 9: Biden in 2024 and whether or not Trump takes back
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 9: over this country, continues to have a national abortion ban.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 9: It's really about whether we lose the Democratic majority in
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 9: the U.S. Senate because Senator Tim Kaine is up. in
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 9: 2024 and we have to send America's.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Dad back to D.C.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: To do all the good work that he is doing.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: So in the 2021 gubernatorial elections, which when Governor Youngkin
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: was elected, one of the biggest issues was parental control
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: of education and a bunch of trumped up bullshit about
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: critical race theory and all of that. How is that
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: issue playing in the race this time around?
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 9: So I always like to remind people that You know,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 9: there's two things you have to give Republicans credit for.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 9: They are great at messaging, and they are strict adherents
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 9: to it. And I tell you, they're very creative. Every
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 9: single year is something, whether it's sanctuary cities, it's critical
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 9: race theory, it is always something new and divisive that
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 9: they use to gear up their base. And it's usually
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 9: vitriol and hate fields and bigoted. But at the end
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 9: of the day, I can tell you that it works.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 9: And the challenge is that Republicans fall in line and
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 9: Democrats fall in love. And y'all know we got to
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 9: date y'all. We got to take you out. You know,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 9: you got to see us a couple times. We got
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 9: to have multiple conversations. And so that means it costs more.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 9: It's more time consuming and tedious. But we know that
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 9: it's so important. And so while Governor Youngkin has shown
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 9: that attacking our schools, defunding education, trying to attempt book banning,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 9: and saying that critical race theory is being taught in
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 9: our classroom was effective, because that's how he won, we
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 9: are now seeing what their playbook is, and it's so
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 9: important that we don't fall victim to what they're saying.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 9: We have to address it, but remember that it's always
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 9: about the fact that we're on the right side. We're
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 9: on the right side of history, we're on the right
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 9: side of progress, and we have to make sure that
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 9: we are on the right side when the day is done.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: The national narrative is that inflation and the economy are
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: what are dragging on President Biden and Democrats approval ratings.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: Virginia has one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: What are you hearing from voters as you're campaigning about
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: the economy and what are you telling them?
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 9: So what I'm hearing right now about the economy is
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 9: that Virginia, I'll be honest with you, Democrats have set
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 9: us up for a lot of success. We have, you know,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 9: I think an $ 8 billion surplus. We are fighting to
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 9: fund our schools, give teacher pay increases, shore up our
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 9: mental health services. We're doing some great things, even though
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 9: we don't have the trifecta. But what I'm hearing on
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 9: the doors, I'm going to be honest with you all,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 9: is about crime. This is the first time in any
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 9: election I've ever heard strong Democrats saying that they are
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 9: concerned for their safety. And I can tell you all
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 9: that as Democrats, we got to do better. We cannot
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 9: secede that to the Republicans. We gotta get stronger messaging
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: on how we're going to keep our communities safe. We
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 9: cannot run away from that because it is real and
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 9: I'm hearing about it. And it's also abortion rights because
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 9: that is also real. And never did I think that
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 9: in 2023, I would be living in a country that
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 9: feels like 1953, But that's where we are as well.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 9: And lastly, because of the attacks on our schools, I'm
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 9: hearing that our trans children need to be protected. Our
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 9: teachers are being vilified and demonized. There will be no
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 9: book banning on our watch. And we have to make
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 9: sure that we protect the most vulnerable amongst us at
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 9: all costs.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: Okay, before I let you go, I know that every
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: single person in this theater tonight is going to be
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: heading to Virginia at some point in the coming weeks.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: To knock doors.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: 95 South.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: So how, if these people want to help your campaign,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: they want to help Democrats prevent the Republicans from getting
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: this triumvirate and doing all this image stuff, how can
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: they help you and help other Democrats?
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: Thank you for that question.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 9: It's all about me. So at the end of the day,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 9: I'm excited to make an announcement that my campaign has
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 9: donated over $ 150, 000 to Virginia candidates up and down the
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 9: ballot from soil and water to school board to state
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 9: assembly because that's how important this election is. And then
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 9: I need all of you to take out your phones.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 9: go to JenniferCarolFoy.com and find out how you can support
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 9: some of our most competitive contested races, how you can
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 9: give us your time, talent, and treasure to ensure that
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 9: the right thing happens and we protect democracy in Virginia
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 9: because we have to win at all costs.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: Please give it up for Jennifer Carol Foy.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: Thank you for being here.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: All right, hi, everybody.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Hi.
• 1:10:53
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• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: They said this day would never come.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. Oh, no, he did it.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: There are people who didn't believe we could write something
• 1:11:05
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• 1:11:10
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• 1:11:14
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• 1:11:22
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• 1:11:25
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• 1:11:28
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• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: It's a podcast, but you write it down.
• 1:11:34
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• 1:11:37
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• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: It's pronounced book.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: You should have seen us over these last months. Oh, my.
• 1:11:43
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• 1:11:50
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• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: I am so late with my edits.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: It was like being back in the White House again.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: And so angry when anyone moves a fucking comma.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Anyway, it's a fantastic book. It's illustrated, so it'll go quickly.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: It's funny.
• 1:12:13
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• 1:12:14
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• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: people much smarter than us politicians, activists, organizers appears in
• 1:12:21
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• 1:12:24
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• 1:12:26
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• 1:12:29
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• 1:12:56
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  Speaker 3: Book announced. Okay.
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  Speaker 12: Don't.
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  Speaker 3: Don't do that.
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  Speaker 8: Don't do that. All right.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: On that note, please welcome to the stage a man
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: who has done his part to get Washington insiders to
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: stop talking for minutes at a time by stuffing their faces.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: And by being a force for good, please welcome the
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: chef and founder of the new Global Food Institute at
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: George Washington University, our friend Jose Andres.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: A man.
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  Speaker 12: All right.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 8: Hi, hi. Hola, hola.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: The man.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 8: All right. Okay. Don't get too excited. I'm not cooking tonight.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: Well, now you've lost them.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: Don't you boo him.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 8: They're all living. They're all living now. Bye. I think
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 8: I'm overdressed.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: You're not overdressed.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: We had Fetterman.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: It's great.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: That guy wears shorts to a wedding. It's actually ridiculous.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. So you founded your nonprofit, World Central Kitchen,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: after the Haiti earthquake in 2010. World Central Kitchen is
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: now the biggest food aid organization operating in Ukraine. You
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: recently said about your work there and what it's like
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: to be there that you can be afraid and fearless
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: at the same time.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: What did you mean by that?
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 12: Well, Listen, Ukraine, for me personally, has been a before
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 12: and after. And has been a before and after because,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 12: you know, I'm a cook that feed the few. Washington, D.C.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 12: was my home for the last 30 years.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 8: Washington, D.C.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 12: Is the place I met my beautiful wife, who gave
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 12: me everything I am. But I never imagined that I
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 12: will be in a situation that usually the simple fact
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 12: of trying to feed people, I will lose people. World
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 12: Central Kitchen lost six people in the simple act of
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 12: feeding people. Only because we have one person called Putin,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 12: I will not use the name President, that decided the
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 12: best action was to try to kill as many civilians, women, children,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 12: and elderly as possible. And for me, this has been
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 12: a life-changing event. Because now, in more ways than one,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 12: I give meaning to life in ways I never thought
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 12: I would. Because it takes you to go through a
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 12: process like this to understand what you're here for. What
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 12: we are here for is to understand that we will
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 12: never change anything we see in the world that is
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 12: not right without taking risk, speaking up, and have boots
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 12: on the ground. We can all clap every time everybody
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 12: gives a speech, but if that speech is not followed
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 12: by people that really are on the.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 8: Ground making change happen, nothing will ever change. We lost
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 8: six people.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 12: And I wanted to pull out World Central Kitchen out
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 12: of Ukraine. And the Ukrainians told me, Jose, we are
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 12: here with you or without you. But with World Central Kitchen,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 12: we will be better. We all need to take risk
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 12: to make change happen. At the end, you learn that
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 12: life starts at the end of your comfort zones. It's
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 12: good to have good times in the good times, but
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 12: sometimes we all need to get to the edge of
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 12: our comfort zone to make meaningful, real change. I don't
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 12: know if this answers the question you asked me, but
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 12: this is, I think it does.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 8: All I have to say about that.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: So, I.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: Was also just interested to hear, because I think we
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: hear a lot about the importance of getting humanitarian aid
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: to Gaza, and the obstacles to doing that and what
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: stands in the way of that happening. You've actually been
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: operating in Gaza. World Central Kitchen is also in Egypt, Jordan,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: and in Israel. Can you just talk about what is
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: happening right now and what you can do, what you
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: want to do?
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 12: Well, many people know that I will be there by now,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 12: but me, I like to go in the moments that
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 12: I really, I believe I can make meaningful change. But
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 12: right now we are doing already meaningful change. The first
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 12: thing we did was going to Israel because it was
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 12: the right thing to do in the very early hours
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 12: after Hamas, the terrorist organization, not the Palestinian people, Hamas,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 12: the terrorist organization, did an attack that should never happen.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 12: And we were there next to restaurants and next to
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 12: Israeli and Jewish people just doing what we do, supporting them,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 12: even they were organizing themselves very well. At the same time,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 12: many times before we've been in Gaza, And we've been
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 12: with an organization called ANERA, who they do an amazing job.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 12: You don't know who to support. ANERA.org is a great organization.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 12: And we're able to support them because American people like
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 12: you support us. And if you see my tweet and
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 12: World Central Kitchen, you will see that we were delivering
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 12: today fresh fruits and vegetables and water and other things. Why?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 12: Because ANERA is already inside. And every time everybody asks
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 12: me in emergencies, where do you get the food? They're like, well,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 12: from the food warehouses. Obviously, the situation there is very terrible.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 12: But still, we have ways to be buying from farmers
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 12: that they don't know who to buy. But if you
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 12: are able to buy from them, still they have tomatoes
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 12: and eggplants and things you can sell. You can buy
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 12: and you can give away. And so the situation is dramatic.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 12: We have teams positioned right now in Egypt, but we are,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 12: you need to understand the World Central Kitchen is the
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 12: organization nobody sees coming.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 8: We are unofficial, we don't partner.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 12: With governments, but we are in Egypt because we are
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 12: positioning ourselves behind the UN envoys to go in as
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 12: soon as it's safe and we are able to go.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 8: Why are we in Jordan?
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 12: Because Jordan has very good connections with all Palestine and Israel.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 12: And we have good friendships with a lot of people
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 12: in Jordan. And if we can, we're going to be
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 12: sending things into Cisjordania from Jordan, but also using planes
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 12: to ship to Egypt and from there go inside Gaza.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 12: And we are obviously waiting in Israel to hopefully things
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 12: become peaceful where nobody is shooting at anybody, but nobody
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 12: is killing anybody. where we believe in longer tables, where
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 12: we all respect each other, give empathy to each other,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 12: give dignity to each other, and where weapons of destruction
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 12: will never have ever again a place on earth. We
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 12: keep fighting each other for things that sometimes doesn't make sense.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 12: I'm sure many of you, I have friends that are
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 12: Obviously Catholics like me. Good thing about Catholics, I go
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 12: on Sunday and I ask for forgiveness and I'm clean again.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 12: It's a great religion to have.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: You gotta go every week. Jews go once a year.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: I have friends that are... You're paying retail.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 12: I have friends that are Jewish. And I have friends
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 12: that are Muslim. And I have friends that are other religions.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 12: And when we are together, we are we the people. Together,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 12: respecting each other, learning from each other. Let's all believe
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 12: we can build a better world and learn from the
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 12: mistakes that sometimes.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 8: Our leaders make on our behalf.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 12: We need better people in leadership.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 8: And you know one thing? What we need is more
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 8: women in leadership. Why?
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 12: Because nobody knows what it is to be a mother
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 12: and give birth. And with that, I mean it seriously.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 12: We keep losing people around the world because I don't
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 12: think men understand the magic and the difficulty of giving
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 12: birth to life. Let's make sure we put people in
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 12: the world that believe that we need to be respecting
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 12: every human life. That's the least we can be asking
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 12: from every one of our leaders.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: Last question, speaking of which, you've threatened to run for
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: office before. You have, and you just this week, you
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: just put it out there there was a representative named
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: Andy Harris who represents a district in Maryland.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: And you said, you said, I love.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 12: Come on, you need to clap for Andy Harris.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 8: Oh, my God, I love you.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: You said, you said something, first of all, this is
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: the most like you've ever sounded like a politician, that
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: this district in Maryland is a place with great hardworking people.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: Then you said, one day.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: You said, one day I will run there just to
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: unseat him. What are you waiting for?
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah!
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 8: Come on, Jose!
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: Do it!
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 12: I barely know how to cook. You want me to
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 12: run for Congress? They don't know how to cook either.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 8: Congressman Harris is a great guy. I mean.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 12: He's a great guy.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 8: I mean... What can I say? I mean, I don't
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 8: vote in... Oh yeah, I vote in Maryland, but I
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 8: don't vote in his district. Listen to me.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 15: We've got to work out the details, it seems. But
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 15: let me tell you, I mean, let me tell you.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: We run people all the time who aren't from where
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: they say they are.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 8: But you need to understand, Congressman Harris, right? I mean,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 8: I think he's Republican.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 8: I know it's a lot of Republicans in the room.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 12: And imagine, he is the congressman of a district that
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 12: the main thing are blue crops.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 7: True.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 8: Blue crops and he is red. Has to be hard.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 12: We should support him, send him to the psychologist or something.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 8: It's not easy.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 12: He only cares about the crops once they are cooked
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 12: and become red. But you cannot have red without blue.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 12: That's the meaning of bipartisanship, but he doesn't get it.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Sounds like an announcement speech.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 8: I love this.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 16: And then is the guy that doesn't want immigrants, but
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 16: then all the crap guys that they need people to
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 16: clean the crap meat don't have people to clean the
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 16: crap meat because they don't have immigrants in the country.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 8: This guy is brilliant.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: I mean....
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 12: Steven Spielberg and Ron Howard and everybody should hire this guy.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 12: He will make the most funny movies in the history
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 12: of manga. You want to support your crap industry in Maryland?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 12: Don't let the immigrants come in. Why? Because we don't
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 12: have enough employees to pick up the crap.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 8: That's crap! And that's the issue with him. I'm sure
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 8: he's a decent man.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: You've got to stop saying that part.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 12: I'm sure he's a good husband, a good daughter, if
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 12: you are a Republican. But he doesn't understand crap business. Therefore,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 12: I'm not running for congressman because I don't have time.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 12: but somebody should be running on the Maryland First District
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 12: to unseat that congressman because the people of Maryland don't
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 12: deserve him.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 8: And that's all I have to say about that.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: Well, and it was well said. Before we let you go,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: you've graciously agreed to play with us a very brief game.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: Simone and Dan are going to come back out to
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: join us because you are.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: A world renowned chef, we are gonna do something.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: Disgusting.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: Here's what's gonna happen. We are gonna rank together five
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: TikTok food trends from fifth to first, from worst to best,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: from the one you would want the least to the
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: one you'd be willing to eat, okay? You're gonna have
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: to choose which of these things is the one you'd
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: want to eat the most. I am free to choose?
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: Here's the twist. They're blind rankings. In other words, we're
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: gonna show you one, and you're gonna have to rank
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: it from one to five, but you don't know what's next.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: You don't know, if you give something five, you don't
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: know how much worse what will follow will be.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 12: Are you trying to undermine my position with my people?
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 8: This is my city!
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 12: Okay, okay, okay, I'm in your team, I'm in your team.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: You can take over at any time. We can do
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: whatever you want, but we're going to try this until
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: you sell us stuff.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: First up, cheesy ramen from Helm.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: Place our ramen noodle into the dish.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: And the last one here.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: Let's start off with a little bit of matzah. Let's
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: just cover the whole thing with cheddar.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: Let's get these open.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: Scissors.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 14: So sprinkle these.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: Packets all the way across. We're going to take our
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: tomato sauce.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: That's tomato sauce. All right, we can leave it there.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: We can leave it there.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: Jose Andres, you're world renowned for your inventiveness with food,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: your exploration of food.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 8: One to five, one being the best or the worst?
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: The best.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 8: The best of the worst of the worst.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 12: I mean, it's like Congressman Jordan or....
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, so here's the thing.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: So basically, we're giving you five of the worst things
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: that you could ever make Speaker of the House. And
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: you're going to have to pick which of these is
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: the best of the worst.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 12: So do you want me to do a slam dunk?
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 12: I think Jordan, Speaker, I mean, Speaker to be Jordan
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 12: is the worst guy called Jordan. He'll never even be
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 12: able to do a slam dunk.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: Well, now we're just.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 8: It's the first Jordan.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 5: You'd put Jordan in this as like a five because
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: you're like, there's no one worse than him.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 8: So.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 12: One is the best of the best, but you want
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 12: me to rate the best, but this will be the, okay.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 8: So I get it. This is like politics, people. We
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 8: never understand anything.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: Here's the good news.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 12: Vote for me because I'm going to be non-protecting your rights.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 8: And we know who those people are.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: I'm going to need a number between one and five. Really,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, that's all you'll have
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: to do.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 8: People of Washington, because we believe in democracy.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 12: If you were me, what would you vote?
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 8: A one or a five?
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Three, yeah, do three.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 8: Three, let's do three. Bye-bye, stop it!
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: I see a lot of threes.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 8: We suck at democracy.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: It's a three?
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 8: I'm taking over. I'm going with a four.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 10: Four.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 12: Four.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: Well, that's... I go quicker next. There's optimism in that.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: All right, so cheese ramen.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 8: Oh, this was cheese ramen? Oh, shit. Let's see. Hold on.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 8: Where is the cheese from? It's from Wisconsin? Oh, from California? Oh,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 8: this is getting complicated.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: Jose, the cheese is from a fucking bag. Next clip.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: Everybody's so creative.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 7: If you don't have time to stand up over the
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 7: stove with all these different pots and pans to watch
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 7: in the end, just do a one-pot meal.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: Get yourself some tortilla shells.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: And put them in a little pan.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 8: You see that?
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: That's a big, big pot of ground beef raw.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: Put it right in the middle.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: Jose, what I thought you'd appreciate about this is I
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: think this is inspired by you because this is a
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  Speaker 3: deconstructed burrito.
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  Speaker 8: Hold on. Who are you rating? The TikToks or me?
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  Speaker 8: You're not on.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, you're nowhere. We can't find you on this scale.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, my God. It's a lot of red sauce in
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 8: this podcast. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: So you're saying it's a little too southern.
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  Speaker 12: I was expecting more blueberries.
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  Speaker 8: More blueberries. But OK. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. OK.
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  Speaker 7: OK.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, guys, what do you think this is? Better or worse?
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  Speaker 8: I mean.
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  Speaker 3: What are we thinking?
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  Speaker 8: Oh, shit.
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  Speaker 12: I don't know because the cheese ramen was bad. We
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  Speaker 12: didn't let her finish.
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  Speaker 8: It didn't get better. I know you disagree with me,
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  Speaker 8: but I am a centrist at heart. I'm putting her.
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  Speaker 12: And number three, because I'm giving myself room to.
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  Speaker 8: Become a Speaker of the House. Which, by the way, you.
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  Speaker 12: Don't need to be American to be a Speaker of
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  Speaker 12: the House.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the speaker analogy would help us. Let's see
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  Speaker 3: what's next. This is called Leprechaun Chicken.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, is that chicken?
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  Speaker 4: And now we're just going to dredge it lightly in
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  Speaker 4: this seasoned flour here.
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  Speaker 12: And then straight into our buttermilk.
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  Speaker 3: And then from the buttermilk, right.
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  Speaker 4: Down into those crumbs. It's sort of like a chicken hand.
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  Speaker 13: Those Cheetos crumbs.
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  Speaker 1: Are gonna create a nice, chewy, crunchy texture.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's gonna get some sort of a crust.
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  Speaker 1: And now, we're gonna skewer it.
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  Speaker 5: Octopus chicken tender.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, now the chicken hands are getting deep-fried. We're gonna
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  Speaker 3: gently remove them from the oil, shake the excess off
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  Speaker 3: onto our plate here.
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  Speaker 5: All right, what do we have here?
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  Speaker 3: There's also a face that you get to.
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  Speaker 8: Dip it in.
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  Speaker 3: It's sort of a face.
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  Speaker 1: What the fuck? Do you see?
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  Speaker 3: It's like a little beard of chicken. Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 8: So this is festive.
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  Speaker 3: So this is festive.
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  Speaker 1: All right, all right.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a leprechaun, you see? By the way, this
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  Speaker 3: is called Chef's Club, which I think you're a member of.
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  Speaker 8: You know one thing, guys?
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  Speaker 2: What y'all mean, one?
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  Speaker 12: I am sorry, but I didn't ask you for your
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 12: opinion this time.
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  Speaker 2: What do they mean, one?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God, no.
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  Speaker 8: But you sound like a lobby right now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm lobbying for it not to be one.
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  Speaker 1: That ain't the best.
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  Speaker 12: And I follow your lobby, but let me tell you,
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  Speaker 12: if we serve this food in Congress, they will pass
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 12: immigration reform. They will pass the farm bill that they
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 12: will pass school lunches for every children. And we will
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  Speaker 12: have some senators and congressmen will leave the country immediately
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 12: to Mexican vacation after a hurricane.
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  Speaker 8: All right, okay. And again, and again.
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  Speaker 3: Again, Jose, it's a number one through five.
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  Speaker 12: No. What I'm going to do is this, because still
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 12: I need to give myself room.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 12: And I'm following your guidance and your expertise. I'm going
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 12: to give it a two.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Tommy, how do you feel about that?
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: You feel good about that?
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  Speaker 8: I respect the two, chef. I respect the two. Please, two.
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  Speaker 1: Two, two, two.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 12: Pray for us, whatever religion you are, because what is
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 12: about to come can.
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  Speaker 8: Be the end of America. All right, let's see what's next.
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  Speaker 5: I have been dying to try this viral fruit roll-up
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: ice cream situation.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: You just take a fruit roll-up, put some ice cream
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: in the middle, and then wrap it up.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 9: Within seconds, the fruit roll-up gets hard and crunchy and amazing.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: So this is a dish. This is a dish.
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  Speaker 1: This is a dish.
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  Speaker 3: Could be a one.
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  Speaker 4: Could be a one.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, listen.
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  Speaker 12: Every time I go to a hurricane, the best moment
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 12: in my life, you know, two, three, four days later,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 12: when there is.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 8: Stop it. Where there is.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 12: Where there is destruction is one moment that the rainbow comes.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 12: And that's a happy moment because it's like things began
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 12: running and functioning better. I like this one because it's
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 12: been the shortest and the quickest.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: I was afraid the rainbow meant you were going back
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: to the leprechaun chicken.
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  Speaker 8: Everybody can understand. I'm going for one.
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  Speaker 4: That's the right choice.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 8: Who doesn't like fruit?
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: No one.
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  Speaker 4: And a roll.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 8: And an up.
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  Speaker 1: And ice.
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  Speaker 8: And cream.
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  Speaker 12: I am creating the new political party, Fruit Roll Up
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  Speaker 12: Ice Cream Party.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, let's see what we got for number five because
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 8: you didn't give.
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  Speaker 1: Me any option.
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  Speaker 3: I think you'll see that your strategy, I think, has
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: paid off. Let's see what's the final option. It is
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: counter nachos.
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  Speaker 11: And we're just going.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: To completely get it all on the counter.
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  Speaker 9: You want this really wide.
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  Speaker 3: Spread it around as much as you can. That's right,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: count your nachos.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, really good, okay. The thing you're gonna do, I
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: like to pour a.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: Lot of ground beef.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no!
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  Speaker 4: Just right, right, right there.
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  Speaker 1: Don't do that. Okay.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna pour black.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: Beans all in here. Is that ground beef?
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just pour a little bit more of butter in this.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 7: I don't participate in those potlucks at work.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: It's right here.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: We need a wall, people.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: We need a wall.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 8: Donald Trump, where are you?
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: It turns so quickly. How did that end? How does
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: this end?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 12: With E.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: Coli. It ends with a trip to the urgent care.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 8: You are not telling us the entire story. What is
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 8: the ending?
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: The ending is counter nachos. You eat the nachos off
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: the counter. Have you never, as a chef, decided to
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: use the counter?
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 12: Yeah, when I do my manicure, but especially when I
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 12: do my pedicure, that's what I do with my feet.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 12: because the nachos and the cream and the cheese gives
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 12: you this extra layer of silkiness to your nails, and
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 12: they don't break.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 8: I mean, they don't break. And it's very good to
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 8: your hair.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 12: When you have blonde hair and you do like this,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 12: you do nachos, cheese.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a couple of guys on TV often in
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 8: a couple of courts that they do nachos.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: It's good for the skin.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah, cheese, yeah.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 15: I can't believe this is where we're ending the show.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 15: That is the perfect spot. So people counter nachos, I
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 15: think this is what's wrong with democracy. Because now they
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 15: don't give me any other option.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 12: What if I want to change my political views on
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 12: the chicken hands?
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: Well that's, and unfortunately that's the system we have to
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: do the best we can inside of. Counter nachos five,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: cheesy ramen four, deconstructed burrito in the style of Jose Andres.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I take that back. That was a horrible
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: thing to say. I take it back, I take it back. Three, two,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: chicken hands. And number one, with a bullet, fruit roll
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: up ice cream. Which we would actually like. Support World
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  Speaker 3: Central Kitchen and their incredible work around the world. Jose Andres,
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  Speaker 3: thank you so much.
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• 1:39:11
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• 1:39:15
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