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PODCAST: Episode 847 - Jeff Tuttle (ex-Dillinger Escape Plan) on Shock Narcotic’s Return & New Album · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  We had no deadline for the first record or for for this second
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  one really, but had we not made the conscious choice to say
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  like, hey, we need to stop messing around with this thing
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  and just like finish it? That was mostly on my end.
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  I just, you know, re recording guitars for the third or fourth
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  time or, you know, buying this pedal that I'm 100% sure is
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  going to fix everything. That's that sort of thing.
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  But it was all good, man. It was I'm I'm extremely happy
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  with the finished product. Hearing it now.
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  I don't see how it could have been done any other way.
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  You know, I like to say it's the, it's, it's the journey, not
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  the destination. What's up everybody?
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  It's Kefi from ghostcultmag.com. I am super stoked to be joined
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  by Jeff Tuttle of Shock Narcotic.
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  How are you doing? Doing well, man.
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  Thank you. Yeah.
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  Thanks for being here. What a what a big time for you
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  and the band. Just got off tour with Pantera
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  and Amanomarth, which we covered one of those shows in Long
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  Island. My partner Omar went out and
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  reviewed the show and covered the band and made sure to get
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  there early. As a fan of your band also and a
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  fan of all the guys in your band.
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  So what was that experience like for you?
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  I. Mean that's like every dream
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  that I had as like a 10 year old kid, like coming true, you know
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  what I mean? I grew up a big, big Pantera
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  fan. Hearing Cowboys from Hell for
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  the first time was was like a game changer for me.
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  You know, never heard anything quite like that probably.
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  I mean, in all honesty, still haven't heard anything quite
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  like that. They just have a way of doing
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  things that is completely their own style.
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  So yeah, been a huge fan for a very, very long time.
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  Sharing the stage with them was was an incredible experience.
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  Right on. And even though you guys are a
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  little bit heavier probably than the average Pantera fan or even
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  a Monomarth, as brutal as they started out, you know, I feel
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  like they've kind of found a lane to be in for maybe the last
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  decade. But hopefully people showed up
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  early and supported. I think it's well known that you
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  know, Phillip, the last few years since Pantera has had this
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  resurgence and and tribute reunion has put house corps
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  bands on. You guys are on the House corps
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  label, which has, you know, all Killers bands that I love,
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  including one of the bands of your bandmate Child Bite,
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  another, another Detroit band that I'm a huge fan of, a love
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  Sean so much as a person and as a vocalist.
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  And Philip has been a great mentor to those bands.
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  I've interviewed quite a few people associated with the label
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  and it seems like everybody's had the same experience.
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  Like whatever he can do to put you forward, he will.
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  Absolutely, yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's crazy
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  at, you know, for, for as long as he's been doing it and
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  however many 10s of thousands of bands that he's heard in his
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  life, he still hasn't heard enough, you know, he's still,
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  he's still out there scouring the earth, pun intended, for
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  stuff that he's into, stuff that excites him, all that stuff,
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  man, It's, it's, it's the only way to do it, if you ask me,
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  because, you know, as fans of music, you know, what's better
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  than finding that then new exciting thing, you know, and
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  some people lose that, you know, some people get older and
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  they've seen it all, they've heard it all.
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  So what's the point, right. But I don't ever feel like I'm
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  going to be that way. I'm always, I'm always on the
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  lookout for news stuff. And, you know, just seeing
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  somebody at Phil's stature still out there doing it makes me feel
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  good, you know, that the he sets a good example, you know, and
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  there's not a lot of people on and his level that are still out
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  there repping as hard as he does.
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  Right on. I see what you did there
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  scouring the earth and then in general like obviously coming on
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  1st setting up the. I will say that like the few
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  times that I've seen Pantera in the last few years, they, you
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  know, I, it's not like the old days were like, you know, the PA
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  is only half on for the opening band and the sound guy doesn't
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  care. It seems like the production is
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  full on every band and it's nice to get afforded that again,
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  We're we're not kids anymore. It's nice to be afforded that
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  grown up respect. For sure, yeah, yeah, We
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  traveled with our own sound guy. No limitations as far as I know,
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  which like you said, you know, that's a very, that's a very
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  common thing, you know, whether it's like, yeah, DB limit or
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  yeah, you're not, you're not allowed to use the Subs or
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  something, you know, because at the end of the day, you know, we
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  could be 10 times louder, but we're still not Pantera, you
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  know what I mean? We don't have the pyro show.
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  We don't have. You don't have, you know, those,
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  those massive rigs that they have up on stage.
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  I mean, they just, they do it up, man.
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  It's I went, went out to Grand Rapids to see them the first
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  time they came through Michigan, my wife and I drove out and I, I
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  had, I had, I tried not to have any expectations, you know,
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  because sometimes with these reunion type tours, they can be
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  a little bit of a let down, a disappointment.
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  If anything. I think they've they've they've
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  raised the bar. You know, I'll respect obviously
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  to The Avett Brothers, but I mean you guys, Zach Wilde, you
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  got Charlie Benate. I mean, that's I mean, I don't
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  know if there's any other two people that could have stepped
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  into those shoes and done them justice, man.
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  They're they're just out there crushing it, man, And it's I can
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  watch it every single day and that could sick of it.
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  Right on. I love hearing that.
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  I'm personally been on record as saying like I can, I close my
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  eyes and I hear Vinnie when I hear that drum kit just sounding
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  just like Vince's drums. And, and Daryl is extremely hard
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  to replace. And those guys are like brothers
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  to the brothers. They were brothers, close, very
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  close friends. So I think it's really special
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  and I'm glad you got to experience that.
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  Just out of curiosity before I delve into a few other things,
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  was there anything you personally needed to adjust to
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  to play these big amphitheaters? I've been to the Jones Beach
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  venue myself a bunch of times. It's it's cavernous and the
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  sound is not always favorable to a very aggressive, heavy band.
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  But did you have to change anything about your personal
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  playing style or maybe the rest of the band in terms of just
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  adapting to those type of venues?
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  No, I didn't. I really didn't.
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  You know, Mighty, my days with Dillinger, kind of, you know, we
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  ran the gamut from everything to I mean, we, there were, we
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  played a couple of basement shows that were insane, highly,
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  highly unsafe in retrospect, you know, all the way to like
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  playing, playing places similar to the Jones Beach.
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  So I've got, you know, I'm, I'm comfortable at at most levels.
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  You know, I didn't, I didn't have any doubt that I'd be able
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  to go out there and just kind of do my thing without any
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  problems. You know, we had, we had a good
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  crew with us. The Panteras crew honestly was
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  very helpful, made it, they were accommodating, they made us feel
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  welcome. So that's always a good a big
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  help too. Right on.
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  I love you. Love to hear it again.
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  I've heard nothing but the best about them from any sources, so
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  I'm glad they're taking a lot of care and everything is being
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  done. You know, I don't think they
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  would bother if it wasn't going to be right.
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  You know, they're half ass anything, as we say here it goes
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  called we full ass everything. So like, I don't think they
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  would half ass anything if it wasn't going to be just so and
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  rewarding and rewarding for the fans and a tribute to the
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  brothers. But I digress.
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  Before we talk about the recently released new album, let
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  me dial it back for a second. This is our first time meeting
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  and talking and I I feel like we met.
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  I've I followed Dillinger super heavily through all eras.
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  And so like I saw the band a bunch when you were in the band.
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  I love option paralysis. Probably one of my favorites top
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  2-3 records from them. And but how did this band is is
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  it's wild how this band is loaded with like a sort of
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  Avengers Assemble of underground metal in the best way.
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  And I know obviously you got some Detroit guys in there, so
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  that helps you Michigan peeps. But you know, how did you guys
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  put it together for the first record back in the day?
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  Sean and I have been friends for a long time.
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  He was the common denominator. He was friends with Don.
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  I was familiar with Battle Cross, had never met Don, was
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  familiar with. I was familiar with Zach
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  Gibson's work with his band Shit Life.
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  So I was, you know, you know, his drumming.
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  I was big, big fan of his style. And Sean and I, you know, we've
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  been wanting to do something for a long time.
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  We've talked about it. For whatever reason, it never
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  worked out. And then, you know, he came to
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  me one day and he's like, I think I've, I think I got it.
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  I think I got the one that's going to work, you know, So he,
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  he, he linked us all together. We got, we got into a room a
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  couple times, jammed out a few things and then went right into
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  writing that first record. So like everything, everything
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  with that first record happened super fast.
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  From the formation of the band to writing and releasing the
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  record. It was a very quick process.
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  It was unlike anything that I had ever done before.
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  Prior to that, you know, it was always banging it out in a
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  practice space for hours and hours and hours and taking
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  months and months and months to to write.
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  This one we kind of with, with with the writing, it was almost
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  more of like a stream of consciousness type of approach
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  where pressing record, playing some riffs and seeing what came
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  out and then working with that. You know, not a whole lot of
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  thought, not a lot of second guessing happening with that
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  one, which was a lot of fun for me.
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  You know, I'd like I said, I'd never, I'd never taken that kind
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  of approach. So it was different.
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  And it was, yeah, it was different kind of energy and it
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  was exciting. Rad.
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  I love to hear it. And yeah, that first record was
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  all bangers and obviously the whole world stopped so many
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  plans that you probably had. It was good, good to get a
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  record out. You we couldn't know, right?
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  But right, right at that year, right at the end of that year,
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  it was good to get a record out before everything Hunter went to
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  shit, right? And, you know, a very good time
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  for introverts, not a great time for extroverts or people like to
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  play music in front of people. But then I imagine you had time
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  to kind of, you know, foment and work on this new record.
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  Yeah, yeah, the, you know, we were already thinking about the
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  second record around the time the first one came out.
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  You know, we were like, let's follow, let's just ride this
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  wave. You know, we we got some good
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  support shows. We were doing some festivals and
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  stuff. So it was kind of like an hour
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  never situation. So we're like, let's just keep
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  this ball rolling. Yeah.
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  And then the ball just completely stopped along with
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  everything else. So yeah, bit of a let down in
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  that regard. But it was it was, it was a good
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  time to take the opposite approach of the first record and
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  then really marinate on things a lot and take those second
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  guesses and those third guesses about the, you know, the
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  direction that a song could go in.
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  The intention was definitely never for it to take six years.
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  But what are you going to do? It is what it is.
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  You know, if if we didn't make the conscious choice, you know,
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  we did, we had no deadline for the first record or for for this
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  second one really. But had we not made the
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  conscious choice to say like, hey, we need to stop messing
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  around with this thing and just like finish it?
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  That was mostly on my end. I just, you know, re recording
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  guitars for the third or fourth time or, you know, buying this
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  pedal that I'm 100% sure is going to fix everything.
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  That's that sort of thing. But it was all Goodman.
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  It was. I'm I'm extremely happy with the
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  finished product. Hearing it now.
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  I don't see how it could have been done any other way.
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  You know, I like to say it's the, it's, it's the journey, not
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  the destination. Right on.
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  I appreciate that, especially as a recovering perfectionist where
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  I battle with myself all the time about letting things go or
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  not being able to. I really, honestly, I really
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  respect that because I think the you know, I know that's a cliche
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  that the proof is in the pudding, but the proof is really
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  in the pudding here. My flesh is afraid, but I am not
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  as the new recently released album, nicely timed for the tour
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  and it's a bit. It's all bangers again, man.
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  And and considering all the players and the parts, right?
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  Obviously you write how you write and I don't know if you
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  know. I know you have other interests,
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  filmmaking and other things, you know, probably other projects we
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  don't know about. But obviously all the players
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  are busy. Slater's a huge session guy.
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  Jarvis. Of course we know Sean.
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  Yeah, you know, also is all the time busy.
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  So like, you know, how do you one, how do you write together?
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  Do you come in, you and Sean again back to the the lab, the
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  two of you and then share it with everybody else?
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  Did you put down a lot of stuff in pre pro and demo, which is
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  what I suspect first? How do you kind of put it all
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  together in the big gumbo? Yeah, We figured out pretty
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  early on with the first record that the way that we worked best
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  is I would write the guitars and really shape the tracks.
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  And then Sean, Don and Zach for the first one, Adam for the
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  second one, put their personality onto it, you know?
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  And then, you know, if anybody has any like, major ideas or
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  like, hey, maybe we try it this way.
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  There was very little of that, but you know, what did happen?
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  But for the most part, it's yeah, it's it's, it's been an,
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  it was an easy process. And I actually joked towards the
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  beginning of the band where I was like, I didn't know that
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  being in a band could be this easy because art.
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  Art is supposed to be hard, right?
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  It's supposed to be painful. I think you, I think it's easy
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  to get lost in that kind of mindset that, you know, it's
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  it's all sweat and blood and everything, but doesn't have to
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  be. You can have fun with it, you
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  know. And it was, yeah, it was.
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  It's a good workflow. And I've worked on other
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  projects in the past where, you know, you, you record the demo
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  and then when you go in, it's time to go and record the real
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  thing. And then you you're like
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  disappointed because like, well, I like, I like the way the demo
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  sounds, you know, it doesn't, this doesn't sound like the demo
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  anymore. So the demoing process double s,
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  as, you know, these are going to be the finished guitars, you
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  know, at some point, which I think worked really well
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  because, yeah, there's going to be things that you capture that
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  you can't be replicated, you know, under any circumstances.
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  So yeah, you get those little bits that you just don't want to
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  let go of when you're recording in more like that traditional
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  sense. So I chose to just, let's just
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  get rid of that. Let's record it.
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  I want to hear it this way and only this way.
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  And yeah, I don't see us. I don't see us going about it
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  any other way at this point. I think we found our workflow
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  and I think it works. Right on out of curiosity
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  because obviously if you demo and pre pro stuff before you
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  presented to people you in your mind you're like I hear it this
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  way. Did anybody surprise you once
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  they got to put on their own parts or contribute?
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  Like, was there a particular performance or anything that
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  just took you by surprise and improved the idea you had?
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  Absolutely. You know, I mean, I'll do like
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  demo drums in MIDI, but you know, I'm not, I'm not my brain
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  doesn't work the way that Adam's brain works, you know, so
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  they're mirror. They're like sketches to say
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  like, you know, here's here's the general outline.
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  But I want, you know, definitely add your flavor to it, man.
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  And then on definitely on mass suicide and progress, there's
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  that that extended bridge section where I I basically told
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  Don, like, if you think you're doing too much, I can guarantee
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  that you're not. And what he ended up delivering
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  was just I mean, I, I love it. You know, he's such an
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  incredibly talented bass player. So he letting him like kind of
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  have free reign and just just let go, you know, and just
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  explode. You, you can hear it in the
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  performance, man. It's just, it's, it's wild.
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  Right on. I was gonna say Jarvis is a
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  beast that he doesn't even look like.
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  I know he's like concentrating fully immersed when he's
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  performing, but just having watched him a lot, it doesn't
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  look like he's even trying hard to be awesome.
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  I think he's just naturally gifted.
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  And I was going to say I'm really glad about you told that
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  Don story, because I feel like as wildly incredible as he is
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  and and versatile, I think there are songs where he lays back and
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  really, you know, sits back in the groove and is not over
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  playing at all and is kind of playing playing for the song,
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  which he I don't think he gets to do a lot of because people
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  want him for whatever while shit he can do.
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  For sure, for sure. And that's why there's a time in
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  a place for for for bands like that where it's just like an
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  entire band of people going off the entire time.
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  To me, that can kind of, I don't know, it gets old.
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  It's not stuff like that is not a lot of times the stuff that
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  I'll put on when I'm driving in the car or something, you know,
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  because you know, you need you need the the interplay of both
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  because it makes those parts where they there is that
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  explosion, the fury of notes. It makes to me, the contrast
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  makes it it accentuates everything, you know, and that's
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  definitely when, you know, once we kind of figured out the
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  potential of like what we could do and what we wanted to do with
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  shock narcotic, that was that was definitely part of the
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  discussion where it's like, yeah, let's let's get, you know,
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  especially more so on this second record, like let's let's
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  do some longer form songs. Let's really get into a groove
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  and we don't always have to play 1000 notes per second.
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  Let the wrist breathe a little bit.
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  And then when it's time, you know, Adam, blast your glass
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  here to your heart's content, you know, or yeah, we're done.
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  Just do this. Whatever you do, whatever you do
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  this. That sounds so awesome.
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  Do that. More of that, please.
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  I also want to say it's a little unfair for me to talk about Sean
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  because again, I just like with no, I just love that dude so
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  much and I love his vocals. His vocal performance on here is
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  not just great, it's very unique from his other work and I feel
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  like the material allowed him to stretch out over it a little
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  better. And I don't recall if you
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  written any lyrics for this stuff because I know you did in
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  the past if it's all Sean. But tremendous storytelling, at
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  least song to song. And I love that he can go from
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  his hardcore scream to like death metal to almost like a
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  Neil Fallon sing singing, which I really didn't know he could do
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  that. Well, I've heard him do it, but
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  not as well as here. So I just want to single out him
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  again, a little unfair. I am biased at how much I really
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  adore that guy. But like what?
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  A great performance. Yeah, yeah.
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  And it was funny when when Sean was laying down his vocals, he
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  was working with this guy named Zach Shipps.
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  Phenomenal, phenomenal dude. He's worked with Sean many, many
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  times. And at one point he just kind of
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  turned around after a take and was like, I didn't know that you
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  could do that just because the performance.
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  I mean, you know, as artists, you know, you never want to, you
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  never want to like go down that the same path over and over
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  again. So with Jock, he definitely
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  wanted to separate what he does with US versus what he does with
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  Child Bite. You know, there's going to be
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  some crossover. But yeah, the performances,
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  there's more, there's more rasp, there's more aggression in the
• 19:59
  performances to kind of give that separation.
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  And I think it works really well.
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  Right on. And I think, you know, obviously
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  having that second album, you knowing Sean so well even before
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  or this band helps you write with him in mind, because I
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  think that's a thing that does get overlooked.
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  Like if you have the ability to write with somebody in mind,
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  like, you know, Jarvis is incredible and you could have
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  gave him anything and you know, he can play it right.
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  But I think like a singer has the opportunity, especially with
• 20:28
  the material, to kind of stand out and take it someplace else
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  You didn't expect kind of like an actor with a screenplay.
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  You know, I always I always say, like a good actor can make a bad
• 20:38
  screenplay into a good movie, but some times not vice versa.
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  Sean is one of those guys who I really feel like he can take
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  something given to him and do a wild amount of variation on it
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  and and, you know, improve and, you know, craft on top of it's
• 20:53
  not something that comes naturally to most vocalist.
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  I was one or Amber sort of yeah, right.
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  He's he's just so killer. And I really love what he did
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  with this music. And I want get greedily make
• 21:06
  more. Like please make more.
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  You just did this one, but make another one just for me.
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  Yeah. We're planning to take 12 years
• 21:12
  for this next one so well. Hopefully there won't be another
• 21:17
  fucking global pandemic, but you never know what these yo yos in
• 21:20
  charge we're. We're probably doomed, but in
• 21:24
  the meantime, apocalyptic music more.
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  Let's just spoon feed it into me.
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  That's how I cope. But what else you have going on?
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  Obviously you did the record, release show and this Pantera
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  Mana Mark tour. Do you have any other things you
• 21:37
  can talk about? What else is going on with you
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  personally that you? At the moment, we have nothing
• 21:42
  else lined up. You know, you know, the good
• 21:45
  thing about having a guy like Adam Jarvis in your band is
• 21:49
  you've got Adam Jarvis in your band.
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  But then at the same time, Adam Jarvis is in like 1000 bands and
• 21:54
  he lives in Baltimore. So that definitely complicates
• 21:57
  things. We'll have some more stuff
• 22:00
  happening in the, you know, soon.
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  Nothing on the books right now, but yeah, right now we're just
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  kind of enjoying the reception that this new records been
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  getting. It's been really positive so
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  far. And, you know, after such a long
• 22:14
  wait, we're just, we're just glad that people are able to
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  hear it and stuff and that it finally did see the light of
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  day, you know? I like to end these with a wild
• 22:23
  card question. So I asked a buddy of mine to
• 22:26
  chip in and asked me to ask you if you could be any character
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  from The Wizard of Oz, which one would you be?
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  I mean my immediate knee jerk reaction was to say the tin man
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  cuz he's metal as fuck. I love it.
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  I love it so much. Sometimes you just got to get
• 22:44
  wacky and and ask something out of the, you know, out of the
• 22:47
  realm of normalness. Thank you, Zach, for the
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  question. Thank you, Jeff.
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  Yeah, man, this interview, I really appreciate you.
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  Congratulations on the new album and everything else, man.
• 22:57
  Yeah. It's been great talking to you.
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  Thank you.