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AEW Full Gear Fallout & More! · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
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  Speaker 1: ignition with the aw Fat podcast team. And we just
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  Speaker 1: saw Full Gear this past weekend, and part of this
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  Speaker 1: show is going to be a fallout from the Full
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  Speaker 1: Gear show. But we've got a lot more to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: But let's start with our thoughts on Full Gear. What
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  Speaker 1: did you guys think of this a w pay per view?
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  Speaker 2: If I were a betting man, I'd say that Sutton
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  Speaker 2: and I are probably gonna be on the same page
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  Speaker 2: about bringing this up. But I want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: the end of the pay per view.
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  Speaker 1: God forbid. I want to break it here and apologize
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  Speaker 1: to everybody listening because this is not going to be pretty.
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not.
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  Speaker 2: Let's knock the toughest thing off the list right now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to say Full Gear was underwhelming. I
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  Speaker 2: thought there were a lot of good matches. I thought
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  Speaker 2: there was a lot of good stories being told to
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  Speaker 2: the end of the pay per view. Kelson, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: to your chagrin, good call on Christian coming out. Man,
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  Speaker 2: Christian comes out to cash in his contract. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: interferences all over the place. You got a hangman and
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  Speaker 2: a page out there for whatever reason, you got Jay
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  Speaker 2: White out there. Makes sense that Jay was out there
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  Speaker 2: because he has unresolved beef with Christian. He was probably
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  Speaker 2: the only guy in that ring other than Christian who
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  Speaker 2: had a reason to be out there. So now I
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  Speaker 2: want to say, it didn't make a lot of sense
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  Speaker 2: to me because you know, obviously Hangman is supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be on that right that I'm going to crush everyone
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  Speaker 2: that got in the way of me and swerve campaign,
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  Speaker 2: and I guess he just decided out of nowhere that
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  Speaker 2: he wanted to be a w World champion again.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, the reason that Paige was there has asked himutely
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  Speaker 3: nothing to do with that. It asked the fact that
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  Speaker 3: Christian paid him. According to the way I saw it,
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  Speaker 3: Christian paid him to do what he could do to
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  Speaker 3: John Moxley to make him vulnerable to Christian. He just
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  Speaker 3: didn't count on j White.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think the other part of the puzzle
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  Speaker 4: you guys are missing is I think it was a
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  Speaker 4: few months back Christian promised Hangman the first title shot
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  Speaker 4: once he won the World Championship, So it totally made
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  Speaker 4: sense why Hangman was out there with Christian Cage. I
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  Speaker 4: loved the ending. Actually, because you got Christian in the
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  Speaker 4: World title Picture. You got Hangman who's now in the
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  Speaker 4: World title Picture. You got Jay White, who it appears
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  Speaker 4: is going to be the next challenger to John Moxley, which,
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  Speaker 4: please give me that match. I will take that every
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  Speaker 4: day of the week, Monday through its Sunday, thank you
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  Speaker 4: very much.
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  Speaker 5: And then and then you've got Darby Allen.
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  Speaker 4: So you got all these factors in the World Title Picture.
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  Speaker 4: We're not one hundred percent sure how the pieces going together.
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  Speaker 4: We we each have an idea, but I like this.
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  Speaker 4: I really like this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna shop White go ahead, right all right, So
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna make like the phony statement.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Finally, for the first time in a w programming, we're
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  Speaker 2: getting an actual battle to belts, battle for.
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  Speaker 1: Hell.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Jay White, Hangman, and Christian the only one that's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be involved in the title shot or the title
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  Speaker 3: picture from from now until Marshley loses. It's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: Christian only because he's got that stupid match. The other
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  Speaker 3: two aren't anything to do with that. It's all about them.
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  Speaker 3: That's the battle that they're gonna see. So it world's
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  Speaker 3: in You're gonna see what round three of Hangman and
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  Speaker 3: Jay White. So basically from the ending and the way
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  Speaker 3: it wents, I think we're still all pretty much we're
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  Speaker 3: on that page before this is gonna be. The next
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  Speaker 3: step is Derby.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think they do the Derby match and next year, Laura.
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  Speaker 1: Uh. A couple of things, Lauren, if you want to talk,
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  Speaker 1: just raise your hand. Second thing, that was not Max,
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  Speaker 1: that was talking. That was something even though I called
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  Speaker 1: on Max something, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry I didn't you call him.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I was looking at I was
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  Speaker 6: looking at the card for a full gear and and
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  Speaker 6: yeah with the Cassidy Mosley match, yeah that I feel
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  Speaker 6: she could have been a lot more polished because to
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  Speaker 6: me it seemed at times just a big mess. Like
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  Speaker 6: the direction wise, they could take this in many different directions,
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  Speaker 6: like because now you have Christian, you have him teasing
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  Speaker 6: his cash on was a contract, so that I think
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  Speaker 6: is going to really like be part of the whole thing.
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  Speaker 6: You like, May a month or two May, post post
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  Speaker 6: Maine in New Year, we might see Christian and the
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  Speaker 6: patriarchy taking on to death Riders and Moxleby before the
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  Speaker 6: elite guys come back like Kenny in the Bucks for
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  Speaker 6: that whole showdown with Box.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Max, she made really good points there.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing in my thought process on this. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, does how do I put this question? Do
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  Speaker 1: you guys think that what happened at the end of
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  Speaker 1: Full Gear justified the last four weeks was of the
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  Speaker 1: whole Moxley five weeks, six weeks of the Moxley and
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  Speaker 1: Death writers thing? Because to me, it didn't. I just
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  Speaker 1: don't feel like it's anywhere. I just don't think that
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  Speaker 1: there was anything. But I think that that show, and
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  Speaker 1: I've read a lot of comments that echo this, the
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  Speaker 1: ending of that show was just all over the place
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  Speaker 1: and cluster exactly.
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  Speaker 6: It was me asking more questions than what we had answered.
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  Speaker 1: He's here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: It was a bad thing, you know, let me speak here.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing the question that I want answered. Then,
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  Speaker 1: because Max again made a good point and left a
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  Speaker 1: lot of questions. Are they good questions? Are they interesting questions?
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  Speaker 1: To me?
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  Speaker 5: No, they're not. I disagree with that.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, I love that they brought Willow back
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  Speaker 4: in this fashion, because you needed somebody like a Willow
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  Speaker 4: nightingale to counteract for lack of term what Marina Shaffir
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  Speaker 4: has been doing for Moxley's group. Again, I couldn't think
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  Speaker 4: of a very term than counteract.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's a good that's a good expert that I
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  Speaker 1: agree with you. That was really good because we've all
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  Speaker 1: been wondering what's Marina spear doot other than trying to
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  Speaker 1: steal Boxley from Renee.
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  Speaker 6: Willow? Are we gonna see a build to Willow versus Marino?
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  Speaker 6: Is that in the cards for Tony?
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's another way to look at it. Are we
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  Speaker 1: going to see the conglomeration still against the Death Writers? Still?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, but I don't want to see that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we are because Willow is a part
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  Speaker 3: of them in some portions of the story, but she's
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  Speaker 3: really not. I mean, if you were gonna go, if
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna pick one of the women on the roster,
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  Speaker 3: that would have been a that I would have picked
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  Speaker 3: as a fit for the congomeration. It would have been
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  Speaker 3: Stat instead of Willow, because Stat has a history.
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  Speaker 1: Do you watch Stat though with the Men's channel?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, that that has nothing to do with it.
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  Speaker 1: That is the only woman on the roster that you
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  Speaker 1: like something.
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  Speaker 3: No, there's a bunch of them I like. But no, seriously,
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  Speaker 3: she's the only one that has a history with the
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  Speaker 3: best friends, which is Orange Cassidy. So there's more of
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  Speaker 3: a history with Statlander in there than there is with Willow.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying that. But what it comes down
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  Speaker 3: to the questions that are there. Yeah, there's more questions
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  Speaker 3: than we got answered. But the thing is you want
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  Speaker 3: more questions than you have answers for it, because if
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  Speaker 3: you have all the answers, now, what's the point in
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  Speaker 3: continuing the story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have to expand on that stat didn't
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  Speaker 2: make up with Orange Cassidy after betraying him with Trumperetta
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  Speaker 2: when Trimperetta joined the Don Calls family before his spinal fusion.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, like that have to backpedal on a
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  Speaker 2: whole bunch of story part telling to get her into
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  Speaker 2: that faction. Willo seems like a better fit.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: I love stat too, one of my favorite wrestlers on
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  Speaker 2: the roster, But like, I can't see it right now.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe in the future, maybe they're working towards reconciliation between
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  Speaker 1: Stat Willa. You never know. Slowly towards I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I personally wait want to see that not after the
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  Speaker 4: absolute war they went through it all out, which I
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  Speaker 4: loved that match, the street fight it all out, that
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  Speaker 4: was one of my favorites personally.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I will say this that we were all right
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  Speaker 1: that Orange Cassidy wasn't going to win that match. Congratulations everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Such an intelligent pick.
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  Speaker 2: And who would have thought we dah oh god.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I'm not no on that note. No, Shane, Like,
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  Speaker 5: and I've been saying this for a little while.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody's like one hundred percent convinced that it's gonna be
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  Speaker 4: Darby Allen who takes the title off of John Moxley,
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  Speaker 4: and that's most likely the direction they are going. But
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  Speaker 4: I'm not one hundred percent convinced about that because they're
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  Speaker 4: gaslighting Wheeler. You do so much that it feels like
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  Speaker 4: something big is going to happen. And that's why I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: maybe it could be Wheeler that takes the title off
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  Speaker 4: of Moxley. I'm just playing it out there as a possibility.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think you can completely dismiss it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Wheeler, you have Stockholm.
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  Speaker 2: He's Stockholm syndrome, dude, Like he took direct defense during
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  Speaker 2: or two Orange Cassidy during that match with no other
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  Speaker 2: reason other than screwing him over. He didn't have to
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  Speaker 2: get involved. Max was gonna win and get the pin.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, Wheeler did the COUDI gran him. I
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  Speaker 2: don't see the Wheeler turn coming anytime soon. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't think that they're gonna pull the you know, pull
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  Speaker 2: the trigger on a belt on Darby until, like all
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  Speaker 2: in seriously next year. I think they're gonna drag this
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  Speaker 2: thing out. One thing we did get from this is
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  Speaker 2: faction warfare there for warfare though one where we had
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  Speaker 2: four factions involved with you know, the Death Riders at
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  Speaker 2: the end of this pay per view, So one way
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  Speaker 2: or the other, you know it's gonna make CE two
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  Speaker 2: really interesting.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, Well, what's.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing, Max, before you jump in, I had another
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  Speaker 1: thought process? Okay, question on this going back to Darby Allen,
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  Speaker 1: Claudio Castic Noley dismantled Darby Allen. That was not even
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  Speaker 1: a contest in my opinion. I mean, if they were
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  Speaker 1: going to put a belt or a championship opportunity on
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  Speaker 1: Darby Allen, don't you think that they would start building
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  Speaker 1: toward that with at least a decent showing. That was
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  Speaker 1: a glorified squash match for Claudio Castignole. I mean, seriously,
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  Speaker 1: to Shane's point, if they started now Darby Allen had
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  Speaker 1: Darby Allen's back at square one, I mean he's a
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  Speaker 1: zero for me. I mean, the most impressive thing he's
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  Speaker 1: done in a w is outside of the ring. He's
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  Speaker 1: not been impressive in the ring in recent memory. So
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  Speaker 1: he's got to get in the ring and start doing
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  Speaker 1: some matches. Maybe the C two is where he gets
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  Speaker 1: going Wednesday night, He's got brody King.
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  Speaker 3: That was that he was impressive in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if brody King beats beats him two, Darby.
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  Speaker 6: My thing is that the only time I've really been
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  Speaker 6: sold on the Darby Owen character and his whole thing
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  Speaker 6: is when he's with Sting and then we have no
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  Speaker 6: clue when he's coming back. He's enjoying retirement. But I
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  Speaker 6: wanted to I wanted to circle back to to that
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  Speaker 6: brand warfare thing that we're just talking about. Warfare, Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: the faction of warfare, because right now you have like
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  Speaker 6: four SO factions involved four SO groups. But here's something
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  Speaker 6: you guys got to keep in mind, especially getting into
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  Speaker 6: the new year and potentially building to the Spring. You
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  Speaker 6: remember at some point the Bucks are gonna come back. Oh,
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  Speaker 6: Kenny's gonna come back. All those guys are gonna come back,
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  Speaker 6: and and they're gonna fight Moxley.
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  Speaker 3: I have a feeling the Bucks are coming back at
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  Speaker 3: Wrestle Dream.
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  Speaker 5: You mean World End, a World's End?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, World's End, That's what I meant. Yeah, they've
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  Speaker 3: said that they're coming back at World's End, which is
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  Speaker 3: the next pay per view, So they're not going to
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  Speaker 3: be gone for much longer.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but I know they said that they're also going
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  Speaker 1: to be wrestling at Wressell Dynasty.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, but the big question is are they going to
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  Speaker 6: bring Omega with them? Is going to come back down here?
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  Speaker 1: But that's if. If if Omega came back with the Bucks,
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  Speaker 1: it would be next year at this time, because there's
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  Speaker 1: just no way with how much that they are enemies
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  Speaker 1: right now, it would take a year's worth of reconciliation
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  Speaker 1: probably to set that back in the place.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Kings already said he's not wrestling in aw in
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  Speaker 3: near future. His first match is going to be in
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  Speaker 3: New Japan next year, and he's not coming back to
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  Speaker 3: aew right now because quote him, they don't need.
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  Speaker 1: Him true what he said. No, No, Tony Kahan, I
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  Speaker 1: believe yesterday, or at least on the media call for
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  Speaker 1: Full Gear, said that he does think that Kenny Omega
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  Speaker 1: is going to wrestle before Russell Dynasty. I'm not mistaken.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that was that so.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, I agreed. But what I was trying
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  Speaker 6: to get at it was, I'm not saying Omega in
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  Speaker 6: the Bucks are going to reunite immediately. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 6: obviously gonna be a long burn, but it's still a
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  Speaker 6: something that might happen around all out next year. Possibly,
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  Speaker 6: Like that's something that I think would be in the
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  Speaker 6: cards for twenty five, is the elite versus the deaf
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  Speaker 6: erence possibly in stadium stampede.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can't discount that Kenny Omega may
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  Speaker 1: work begrudgingly with the elite because they have a comp goal,
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  Speaker 1: meaning the destruction of the death writers. You never know.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, And like I said earlier, it's like on the
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  Speaker 6: ww GUD we're doing the same thing over there. It's
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  Speaker 6: a similar bi.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, is there anything else in the
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  Speaker 1: Full Gear pay per view that we want to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we could talk about I thought that there
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  Speaker 1: were great match.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, can we talk about the pre show? Then let's
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  Speaker 6: talk about QT versus AJ.
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  Speaker 3: So so I did a little research before that started.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to check something on the numbers, and according
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  Speaker 3: to Google, the average concurrent viewers of the pre of
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  Speaker 3: the pre show on YouTube is normally one hundred thousand people.
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  Speaker 3: They never got that high this time. I was watching
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  Speaker 3: on the YouTube and the most it got to was
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  Speaker 3: like seventy five thousand. So the thought that AJ and
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  Speaker 3: then We're going to bring in this large number of
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  Speaker 3: viewers never panned out.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that that's a good barometer something. And
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I watched the Zero Hour. I
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  Speaker 1: know a lot of people to watch the Zero Hour
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  Speaker 1: that was that were in the live chat, and none
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  Speaker 1: of us were watching it on YouTube. I was watching
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  Speaker 1: it on Trouler along with a lot of other people. Right,
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  Speaker 1: keep a mid that that I think early on, I
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  Speaker 1: think YouTube was basically the advertised method to watch Zero Hour.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Shane, you had a thought.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I also have to throw it out there
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  Speaker 2: that that clip of QT versus AJ is the third
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  Speaker 2: most watched YouTube clip on aw's page, currently next to
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  Speaker 2: uh punk at, MJF and Cassidy.
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe they still got the Punk and MG
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  Speaker 3: have one on there.
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  Speaker 2: It's number two for some reason.
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  Speaker 6: In AW or are we talking like in general, because
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  Speaker 6: in general from what I've heard, it's the third most
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  Speaker 6: watched clip.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's the third most watched clip, like straight up
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  Speaker 2: on on a w YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 6: I thought it was in regards to like wrestling as
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  Speaker 6: a whole, because I know one.
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  Speaker 2: Was Yeah, no, hold on, you're talking about the Twitter analytics.
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  Speaker 2: That's Twitter. I was just talking about you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you.
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  Speaker 6: Never mind.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you're right, because that that also announced it.
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  Speaker 2: It's Joe and Hendri and nx T and then Punk's
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  Speaker 2: return and then a J for the a J and uh,
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  Speaker 2: what's his face?
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  Speaker 6: Marshall?
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  Speaker 3: It comes you're saying, it's Marshall, Marshall, Marshall.
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  Speaker 1: When it comes to Big a J. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that there's any argument that that was it was a success.
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  Speaker 1: I think yeah, I tell you exactly what they what
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  Speaker 1: they were.
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  Speaker 6: It was a great.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's what did you guys think of of the
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Chris Statlander Mercedes Monette match? I mean that was uh,
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  Speaker 1: that was something.
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  Speaker 6: That was something, Kelson, that was something. And I've seen
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: Mercedes Monet at her best and at her worst in
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  Speaker 6: and outside of aw.
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  Speaker 1: And what did you think.
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  Speaker 6: I think that that carried that match? And that personally
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: this is me. Mercedes Money has lost her touch. She
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  Speaker 6: has lost her touch on on the product and on
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  Speaker 6: the business. And it's and it's hard to see, you know,
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  Speaker 6: because I I grew up with fake and I was
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: a teenager when she was Sasha Banks and she had
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: some really good matches back like ten years ago. And
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: for me, it's sad to see.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, what did everybody else think about? We already know
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: what something is going to say because.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Everybody else, No, no, this is not my problem with
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: that matches. Okay, discuss this with my son. I keep
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: trying to tell him I have no problem with Mercedes
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: winning that match. The problem I have is what they're
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: going to do with that title after that match. Because
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: everybody talks about how they're going to make Camille is
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: going to be the one to dethrone Mercedes. That is
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: one of the that's going to be just as bad
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: as when Cargio had the title because in the matches
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: that Camillo has had.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Every everybody isn't saying that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: That's what I've been hearing from a lot of people.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: I would love to see Julia Hart come back and
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: take it.
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: Okay, joy Heart would take it.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: I agree, but certainly seems like they're going in the
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: direction of a Julia Hart Jamie Ader feud instead.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I just agree with that too, So I and I
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: will share my opinion after other people have shared theirs.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: So give me match. Steve or Shane, do you have
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: any thoughts on the christat Lander and Mercedes Monet match.
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: I was really hoping that that would win, but she didn't,
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: and I'm getting pretty bored of Monet by now, So yeah,
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: just just gives the belts to someone else on board
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: of it.
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: Know what, what what Jamie hadn't take it, Let Jamie
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: take it off for.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I don't want to see I don't want to see
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Jamie with the TBS title.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Well, you got all these women and the mid card that,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: like the women's locker room is so confusing because you
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: got all these women on the mid card that should
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: be on the you know, in the world's title scene,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: you got all these women in the world title scene
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: that should be on the mid card or or mid
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: card or in r o H like Britt Britt Baker.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Sorry boy, I baited Sutton. No, I'm just this match
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: was sloppy, it was poorly telegraphed. Chris Chris carried of monet.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I have to agree with Max. I mean, like, like
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite w WE matches from almost pre
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: pandemic era was Bailey Sasha Banks hell to sell like
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: it's it doesn't I don't think it's her touch. I
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: don't think she has any incentive to perform because she's
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: already made for money. She's like the Deshaun Watson of
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: a W. You know, she's minus allegations, minus the allegations.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just saying. I mean, she's already been paid,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: if she's gonna be paid, She's two years with a
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: W and she could go back to sucking on Disney too.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I mean like it's just just.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Makes her look like I don't want to have the
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: problem with the mask if they had her win no clean.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: The last thirty seconds were a sloppy mess.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah that I mean, she didn't cheat to get the wins,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: she didn't get help to get the win. That's what
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about. It was not a very much. I
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: didn't like it. I thought it was terrible that and
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I'll say it again, and you can rag on me
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: all you want to. Dat Leander has done so much
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: for this company. Mornee has done nothing. She's been there
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: since March. She's done absolutely nothing to elevate the women's division.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: All she's done is elevate herself. And people are tired
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: of it.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I like, I totally disagree with you. The Mercedes Mercedes
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Monette or just being in AW has elevated the women's division.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: She's gotten more promo time for the women, She's gotten
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: more matches for the women on TV. Uh. The women
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: are more exposed as far as good exposure on TV
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: because of Mercedes Monette. Plain and I disagree with it. Well,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: you can disagree with all that's.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: I disagree with that.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: In the weeks before Mercedes Monet and look at look
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: at AW sins you were lucky.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: But what about the champ back then, Well it doesn't matter.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: You were getting possibly one minute or what about you
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: were getting possibly one match for seven minutes or eight
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: minutes every show.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: That's it. This was the longest women's match in a
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: w history. And you're not only getting that, you're getting
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: promo after promo. Do you really think that somebody like
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Harley Cameron would have a shot to do what she's
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: doing if Mercedes Monet was not with the company? I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: can guarantee you no, I can guarantee you. I don't
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: think that Anna j goes the start of a Mercedes
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Monet isn't with the company. I don't think you see
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of you. I think that people look at
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Mercedes Monet with a little bit of a jaded glasses.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I guess that's the best way to put it. I'm
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: gonna say this, and I'm gonna say this good, say
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: this right now. This was a great match for Statlander,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: who was a great match for Monette. Yes, there were
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a few botches, but what wrestling match doesn't have botches.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: People are so critical of Mercedes Monet that they see
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: what they want to see. I mean, you guys are
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: treating Mercedes Monet like she's if you guys could seriously
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: watch it, Eddie Kingston match and you can't watch it,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Eddie king watch a Mercedes Monet match. The right there
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: in my estimation. I'm sorry, but you're full of shit
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: because Eddie Kingston is the worst wrestler at aw period.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Kelson Mercedes's she just doesn't seem what's the word inspired,
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: or like, she doesn't seem to, you know, want to
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: do it. Like it's like she she's just.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you were watching. She was hitting,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: she was hitting her spots, she was doing some moves,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: she was taking some bumps, she was selling really really well,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: she was acting, she was doing everything. And at the end,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: what she hit her? What what's that finishing move of hers?
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: The money maker, the money no one, That was probably
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: one of the best ones she's done in the history
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: of that move in this company.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, so no problem. If she did so well in
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: that match, why is it only in that match She's
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: not done that in any of the.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Mass had I didn't say that saying that this match
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: was a decently good match.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Frankly, I thought it was a great match. Yes, there
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: was the botches, but you can't go back and watch
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: it again. I had a problem with what's that move
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: that she does, the case door or whatever. It sounds
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: like an Italian canoli, a brand I don't know, but
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: but she did that way too many times. But there
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: were some counter moves that you did. Yeah, the media
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: or I don't know why, I was like a kidchen
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Tis Yeah, yeah, I mean that was a little bit,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: a little bit much, but all in all, I thought
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that she was fluid, she had some counter wrestling that
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: she did. And look, I'm not saying that Chris Statlander
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: did not do well in that match, because she did
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: fantastic in that match. I would not have been upset
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: if Chris stat Lander won it, however, And I mean
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I have something to say about Mercedes Monett when we
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: get to topic a little bit later in the show
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: as far as the Women's International Cup and what I
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: think is in store for that. Is there anything else
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: in the full Gear fallout portion of this show before
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: we move on that anybody wants to talk about it
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: full Gear? Well?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, hold on before I just want to. I
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: don't want to interrupt, but Kel said I did want to.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I did want to express that your assessment of the
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: women getting more time on TV because of money, it's
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent true. Tony has to pay his investment forward,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: so he has to create the programs to keep her
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: on TV, which is involves more women in the locker room.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: You're a hundred percent right. That's not a bad thing
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: for everyone that's been for everyone that's been crying that
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: the women need a better front face in the audience,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: we certainly have gotten that. Now I will I'm going
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: to go back to my original criticism of this is
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: that money continues to have to be curried in matches,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: and she has more tenure and professional wrestling than most
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: of the people in aw let alone. You know, the
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: people that she's facing that looked like more compelling challengers.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, for someone who has her level
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: of experience in training, she shouldn't be watching her debut
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: in New Japan, right, or more stuttering on a mic.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: So I'm not thinking I'm not thinking that.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: But i will say this again. When Mercedes Mondet was
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: first hired at a w and I don't remember if
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: it was Fightful or if it was Wrestling Observer or whatever,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: but one of those people said one of the things
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: that was in basically the pitch for Mercedes Monde, the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Mercedes Monett requested was that the women have at least
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: one or two matches on every show, and if they
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: only had one match that they she wanted the women
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: to have promos back backstage or in ring promos, at
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: least like two of them. And if you watch the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: show since Big Business, that's exactly what's been happening. If
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: you watch Collision, you watch Rampage, and you watch Dynamite,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the women are getting much more time. Thank you, Mercedes.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Monette Lander would not be anywhere near what she's doing now.
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: So I see that, and I am appreciative for Mercedes
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: money on that front. But then again, it's gonna was
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: that it's gonna take time, because like it's gonna take
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: time for this Defloyd paint.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: Out, So I'll have to go back and watch the match.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: But from what I heard and from what I saw,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: it looked like it was a really good match, maybe
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: even close to great. But in terms of other stuff
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: on the full Gear Car, how about Daniel Garcia walking
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: away with the TNT Championship.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: I think that's a very interesting.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Development, not only because of the John Moxley stuff, and
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: you know he's been directly involved with that. You know,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: you could go back to Jack Perry and whether he's
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: the guy really driving Moxley, But it's also like Moxley's
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: kind of getting what he wants.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: You know, Private Party is not sitting on.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Their morals or laurels whatever the word is there anymore.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: They're the tag team champions. Daniel Garcia another young guy.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Guess what, he's the TNT Champion. Now it's kind of
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: you know, tying into that story. But you also have
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: a number of contenders, Adam and JF and just to
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: name a couple.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Sure, And did you notice that the post show media
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: scrum that when Daniel Garcia came out, he was like
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: one of the first ones to come out too. I
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: think he was the second one. Uh. The TNT Championship
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: was restored to its original tn T Championship. It was
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: no longer the black painted with the blood spatter that
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Jack Perry has been carrying around. Just how I point
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: that out.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I also like that after Daniel Garcia won that match,
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: when he was going back up the ramp, he had
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: the aw flag wrapped around them.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: He took that, he took that from somebody in the crowd.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: He apologize for it at the media scrub that he
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: you know, in the excite that he took it basically,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: and it didn't belong to him if he stole it
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: from a fan. Yeah, I'm sure they got to fans
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: compliment some way.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: But I I I think this is gonna really elevate
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Daniel Garcia. But I'm more curious to see where Jack
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Perry goes from here. Does he kind of disappear with
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: the rest of the Elite, does he get involved somewhere else.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: That's where I'm kind of going with this, is like,
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: where does Jack Perry go from here?
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: To be honest, I never really bought him as a
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: member of the Elite. He just doesn't seem to be
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: that kind of character, you know what I mean. He's like,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: it's like they put him there because they wanted a
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: fourth member, but he really doesn't belong And I kind
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: of see him going with the Death Riders.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I have a personal statement to make against that. I
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: see one hundred percent why I see one hundred percent
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: why Jack Perry joined the Elite after everything that happened
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: with Sampunk. That was the perfect group of people to
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: join up with because they were all the most jaded
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: people that had issues with all of that situation.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: So I mean that very exactly.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was connective tissue to bringing him back
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: from New Japan from the House of Violence, which is
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: sad because he ruled in that faction. Uh you know,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: uh rollins. I actually have a question for you. Do
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you think that do you honestly think that Jack Perry
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: is about to sit or do you think he's about
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: to escalate his bad behavior.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: That's the thing.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I'm really not sure, Shane, because I could, like you
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: make a very valid question, and I think you can
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: make a solid argument for both sides of it.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: Really, you know, I.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: No, no, go ahead, I mean fantasy booking, this would
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: be next week. Jack cuts a promo. The belt was
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: just an object. I'm coming after everybody. I don't need
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: no friends, and like he can, I love his character.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Escapegoat goat thing was one of the best things that's
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: it's taking taking the loin cloth off of Jack Perry
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: was the best thing that happened to this dude's career.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Like serious, I love I love Jungle Boy. He was
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: like half It was like very heartwarming and the whoa, whoa, whoa,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: that's all you know. Yeah, But like I just he's
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: more convincing as like an asshole.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: If you don't mind. I want to make a comparison
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: real quick, Jack Parry, Jack Perry, jungle Boy Jack Perry.
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: The evolution of that character reminds me kind of Bail
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: you over in w w A. Going from like the
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: lovable baby face to gritty heel.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: Gosh, that's kind of what I want to see.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Will Nightingale, Dude, Max, Like, you know, Bailey for a
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: while was like, you know, I'm a hugger.
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah he had he has a way you see, a
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: powerful dealership. Yeah, okay, okay, so no, but with Bailey,
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: that character worked in the on X obviously wasn't the
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: long term on the main roster. This is what I'm
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: seeing in Jack Perry. The whole jungle Boy character was
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: just like for Drastic Express with Lucasaurus and Marcos Stunt.
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: Once you broke away from Drastic Express, I feel that
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: was essentially the same as Bailey turning heel and coming
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: out with the acts, but except Jack Perry as a
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: heel has been all over chaotic and I will live
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: for chaos.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well what comes to Jack Perry. You know where
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Jack Parry isn't going to be. That's in the sea too,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: because they didn't put him in there. And there's been
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: a couple of pretty interesting emissions into C two. Hang man,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Adam Page isn't in there? Why there's some interesting You
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: can't put everybody in there. I actually like the rosters here.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: We have the Blue League and the Gold League, and
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I'm interested to see right now because last year when
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: they had the C two, every single one of us
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: correctly picked every one of us, I because they telegraphed
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: it so bad when they made it, you know, three
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: belts thing. But this year, I think we can all
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: agree they haven't telegraphed it. I think that it's up
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: in the air to sure there's there's some that seemed
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: like their favorites. I mean, I think a lot of
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: people are, you know, thinking that Kyle Fletcher and Will
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Osprey or at An on a collision course, uh to
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: face each other in the finals.
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: Something.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Don't think at Katta is gonna be there and he's
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: not going anywhere. But hey, who do you guys, well,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: who do you guys think are going to win the
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Blue League and the Gold League? And if are there
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: any omissions that really get your goat.
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: Okay, okay, got okay. I think we I think a
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: good solid you know they picked for Blue, would be
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: Shelton Benjamin because he's he's a vet of like a
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: billion years. He's with MVP, who's by far one of
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: the greatest talkers we've seen ever. And and for or
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: for Gold, I think it's either a Claudio or will Aspray.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, change you had something to say.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna predict this whole entire thing now,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: all right. Uh, Fletcher's gonna Fletcher.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Everyone else is tough. Look look at the lineup. The
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Ricochet's working, Brodie King's working, Robert Juice Juicer is working,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Claudio's got too much going on overseas, and if you
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: look at the other side of the card, you know
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Garcia's working, Brisco's definitely working. I love Shelton, brilliant, I'm
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: glad to see him in a ring again. But he's working,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: so is Beast Mortos. I think the only people that
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: are important in this are Darby, will Uh, Catt, Fletcher,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: and Okada being that Okata Ho's the belt helds the belt,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: but there's so much heat behind will Ospray and Fletcher.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I think this goes to Ospray and Fletcher Ospray wins
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: takes the takes the Continental, and then the rubber match
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: for them is that the is that the World is
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: gonna be the pay per view, then the pay paper
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: be Voltling.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Do you think it would better to put that on
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: the Russell Dynasty pay per view or do you think
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: it'll be at World's end?
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, like the the final match is at
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: World's end, So I don't think it's gonna make it
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: a dynasty.
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I think they're they're going to keep the Continental on
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: a e W programming And I think, you know, this
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: is a way to get the get a belt back
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: on Osprey unless we forget you know, Will's Osprey said
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: if he was going to carry an international championship in
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: any promotion, he's going to defend it everywhere. So if
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: they put the Continental on him, it gives him an
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: excuse to go back to Japan, go to c z N,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: go to Triple A, kind of get weird with it.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: So no one, no one from AW go to GCW
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: anytime soon. We'll say that for Pope.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but what do we think? I mean, anybody else
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: want to give their predictions?
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Sure, so here, here's the thing. Last year, it was
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: so predictable because Eddie was the tempt he knew he
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: was going to keep it this year and that you know,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: and you could say, well, they're not gonna take the
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: title off Okada, so he's gonna end up winning it,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: but that's not necessarily true. I don't think that's gonna
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: happen this year. Blue. I've got Yeah, I'm gonna have
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: to say I either got Fletcher or Shelton and uh
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: in the in the gold you're looking man, this is
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: so it's either gonna be Derby or Osprey. That's just
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, those that could be the final four. That
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: would be an amazing final four. But it's really not
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: as predictable this year as it was last year.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: Okay, see see for me.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: I actually got the final being Okada and Claudio, and
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: that's where Claudio takes the title from Ocada. We did
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: that match on the Dynamite before all In for the
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: Continental Championship. I thought that was a solid match and
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: personally I think that should have been at all In,
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: but whatever, and I think it makes a lot of
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: sense for you have Moxley hold the world championship, you
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: have Claudio hold the Continental Championship.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: It just gives the Death Riers more fuel.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: All Right, anybody else with the Blue and Gold league
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: pick for the C two before I give mine?
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: Oh me, me me?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: So with the Blue.
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: Kyle, uh, of course, amazing and Gold. It's between will
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: Osprey or Ricochet, one of those two. And a big
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: disappointment is yeah, Jay not being j White not being
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: in the C two. That kind of bummed me out.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess I'll give up. And I have to
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: say right now at observation and that we had kind
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: of a diverse picks here, whereas last year it was okay,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: well it's Eddie and we just got to figure out
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: who's going to be challenging him from the other league
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: that he's in. We all knew it was gonna be
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Eddie last year. This year we got the first picks.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I think that we could possibly have another Eddie this year.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: And let me explain Darby Allen. He's the one to
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: me that looks like he could be the underdog. We've
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: got him on Dynamite facing brody King tomorrow night, and
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: if he loses this match to brody King tomorrow night,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: if this isn't sound insane. If Darby loses to Brody,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I have Darby winning the Gold League because that's the
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: underdog making a huge comeback to win. Now I have
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: to kind of agree with Shane. You know, in my picks,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: you know, in the oddest picks, it would be Kyle
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Fletcher and Will Osprey winning the winning the Blue and
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Gold League respectively. That's just the way I look at it. Uh,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: who do you we picked the winners of the Blue
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: and Gold League? Anybody want to come right out and
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: say who's going to win the tournament?
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: If it's Aspray and and and Fletcher, it's going to
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: be Auspray. He can't lose to in a row, Shane.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: It's Ospray straight up.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: He's not gonna lose the Fletcher again, Yeah, I mean
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: like we'll see him off a te if we might
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: get a promo or package from him on Wednesday, but
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: he's going to be recuperating and licking his wounds until
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: World's end and only performing in his matches, so in
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: his kind of matches. So it's it's gonna be Asprey
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: all day.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: I got Claudia, got Audio, Okay, I got.
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: I got.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: It?
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: Would it would add more what's the word. It would
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: add more fuel to the Hurt syndicate, and it would
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: honestly boost the Hurt syndicate more than they already needed
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: because they already have all the momentum they would need.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Just Max Max Shelton is the middle guy in that faction.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: If it were lash Lee in the C two, I
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: would I would have voted for Lashi. Lastly, straight up,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think Shelton's gonna make it.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, quarters uh win it all.
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: I would say, I'm just gonna go with someone Ricochet,
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: why not.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Chet Hey, why not? Why not? Why not? I gotta
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: tell you something right now. And this I got to
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: totally disagree with Max and Shane on this. For me,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it was Shelton, Benjamin or Bobby Lashley.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think either of them have a prayer of
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: winning this simply because not this year, simply because they're
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: WWE guys, and there's no way Tony Kahan is gonna
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: put a belt out a WWE guy. Right after they
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: arrived at this company, they both Bubbera saidis Mode is
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: not a w w WEE guy.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: The other thing about Shelton and I love Shelton to death.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: He's not he's not. I mean, he's participated in New Japan,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: he's been in other places, but when you look at
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: who's in this, he doesn't be. He's not the first
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: one that I would say would be a candidate to
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: go international, especially since he just got the aw.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: He also just turned fifty.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: I don't think Shelton, I don't think he has to
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: do with much.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, I have. That was a
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: shitty statement. I mean, he had like his matches, his
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: matches are, dude. He he's got the heavy guy moves,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: but he could also throw a super kick like a
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: like a middleweight like dude.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: He looks great. I love him.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: I wish they put him over Bobby, but that's not
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: gonna happen.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I don't understand here that I am not talking poorly
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: about Shelton, Benjamin or Bobby. I think they're phenomenal. We're
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: also the same thing as w W E guy. It's
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I just I just don't see Tony pull the trigger
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: And I understand that, like the objective of the death
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: riers isn't to like hold all the gold in a
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: w but there's just something about the idea of Moxley
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: holding the World championship and Claudio holding the Continental championship.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: That just is super intriguing to me. There's just something
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: about it.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: That stands for Yeah, well, Madio has been floundering a
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: little bit, but as I said earlier, he did just
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: absolutely destroy Darby Allen. Oh god, it was scary. That
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: was not pretty hey, And for all we know, they're
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: setting up a Darby versus Claudio the winner wins the
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Gold League kind of thing. You never know. I want
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: to move on to another tournament that's coming on. This
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: one is really interesting to me. Basically, what you've got
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: is the Women's International Cup, which culminates in a four
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: way match with one woman from ae W, one woman
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: from Ring of Honor, one woman from Stardom, and one
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: woman from CMLL, all meeting at Russell Dynasty on January fifth.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: The winner of that match gets to gets an automatic
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: championship match against a champion in any of the four
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: promotions to that's never been double before as far as
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I know, and especially not in a major major promotions.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: This is really fun out We know the four qualifiers
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: already for CMLL. We know the four qualifiers are ready
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: from Ring of Honor. We do not know the four
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: qualifiers from stardom or the four qualifiers from a W.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Which four women do you think first of all would
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: be what I mean, they'll have four women in a
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: qualifying the four way qualifying match for a W and
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: the winner of that match will then go to Russell
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Dynasty representing AW in that in their four way match. Okay,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: so we need to figure out who's going to be
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: the four from a W of Honor. By the way,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: it's Red Velvet, Billy Starks, Athena, and Layla Hirsh.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: I'm a little confused with that. Why are you putting
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Athena in that match? I mean, you know she's not
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: gonna win it. It's kind of weird that they put
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: her in there instead of somebody else that they could have,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: like Queen Queen on Them Nolina could have been in
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: that because you know she can't take the loss, because
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: then that says your champion is not that good or
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: she couldn't handle that match. So it's kind of odd
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: that they put her in that to me.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: But I don't think that having the champion lose against
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: four other women or three other women necessarily will erase
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: eradicate a Theta's incredible run and ring of honor. I
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: disagree with you there, yeah anybody. I mean, so we
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: talked to you. You didn't answer the question though, sudden.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: So I have no clue who would be in from
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Stardom because I don't watch Stardom, so I don't know
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: who they are in ae W Willow.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: If if Julia was back, I would put Willow Julia.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Uh probably, Well, Julia's back so well yeah.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: But she hasn't been on any matches yet, so I'm
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: saying if she was back in the ring, she would
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: be my second pick stat Lander and probably the fourth one. Man,
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: There's just so many people you could put in it.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Cheetah could go in there. Uh, there's just so many
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: you could actually have Tony come back and be the
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: fourth person.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: That's true too.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: I mean there's there's there's such a wide open I
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: don't want to put the champions in there. That is
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: to me, putting champions in the tournament like this just
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: don't make any sense, you know, like you know, it
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: just doesn't make any sense to put Mercedes and Mariah
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: in there. You could put you could put in you
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: could put in Mira Ermina, you know, so there's that.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: This is just so hard after the first three, but
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: you definitely need stat and Willow, and I'm saying Julia
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: and the fourth one is up in the air.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Ohbody else?
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I do.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: I agree with Ston. I agree with you about Willow
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: and Scat. I'm gonna from three and four. I'll go
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: with Jamie Hayter. And my wild card actually would be
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: Anna j Yeah.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's that's for anybody else.
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Okay, my picks, yeah, Ana j Jamie Hater, Uh.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Who's that? Yeah? Okay, And I don't know.
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: I have no idea Nyla Rose or something like that.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, glad somebody picked Nyla Max. Did you have
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: any picks?
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's gonna be Chris stall Lander. So
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: we've got Stlander, Willow, joya Heart, and No, that one.
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: It's a toss up, But again, so could joya Heart
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: be a toss up? So it's definitely Willow Statlander.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: No.
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: I think they somehow find a way to thought Tony
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: Storm in there along with it. Could be anyway, It
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: could be Anna Jan, it could be Jamie Hayter, Gina Fo,
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying. I'm just saying that there's so many
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: women that they in there, That's what I'm rattling off.
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: A bunch of the names out I know could slot
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: into that and have a really good notch. But personally,
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: for like a settin Stone nine up, it's got to
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: be stell Lander, Willow, Cheta, and Hater.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, how about you go ahead?
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Uh An a j uh Willow and Stat for sure?
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: I mean a Willow and Stat makes sense because it
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: gives that you know, we just talked earlier about the
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: potential for them reuniting. That would definitely be a gateway
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: to that being. I mean, depending how it plays out.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: But if they put Tony Storm in this contest, it
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: automatically gives her her revenge at Mariah May, which if
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: that were to be the endgame, it'd be sad that
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: they'd put over an aw person. I actually want to
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: see someone from Stardom go over in this competition. But
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: I got Stat and a j Willow and Tony Storm.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So before I get to my picks, I want
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: to ask you guys, based on your picks, who wins.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Who's your pick to go to Russell Dynasty represent a
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: W in this Women's International Cup based on your picks. Statlander,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: stat Lander, stat Lander for Max, what about you, Steve
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Chetah okay, and uh so.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: It depends if Tony's in it. I'm thinking they'll probably
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: put But if she's not, it's Statlander this one.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you go with Tony Tony, but stat Lander, okay.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Shane picked one. Karen Jarrett.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Karen Jarrett's going over. It's gonna be It's not gonna
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: be Taya. It's not gonna be Sorea. It's not gonna
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: be Rebel who's still for some odd reason on the
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: a W women's roster. It's not gonna be Leila Gray.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: It's gonna it's gonna be Tony.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I my picks for the four, I have to say,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I want to see somebody that will actually be able
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: to go to maybe stardom and have a feud after
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: this something, you know, set something up afterwards, maybe something
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: happens in this match, you know, or there's some kind
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: of feud going on. But my four would be I
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: would have to go with Julia Hart, I would have
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: to go to krit with Chris Statlander. I am not
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: picking Willow I am not picking Mercedes. I am not
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: picking Tony's storm. And the reason I'm not doing and
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not picking Maria May. I'm not doing that because
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: I don't want to see somebody who's already been over
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: there or has a belt right now in this. I
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: am gonna pick Shamie Hater and just to piss Sutton off,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick Britt Baker.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Why are you gonna waste the spot like that? Man? Seriously?
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Well, but anyway, I'm gonna be honest with you here.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have Julia Hart win it. And the only
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: reason that I'm gonna have her win it is because
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: and Shane could probably back back me up on this,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: because Shane, you watch stardom, correct, sure? Do Can you
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: think of any other a w woman whose total presentation
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: is more stardom ready than Julia Hart an A.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: J Yeah, but she was there already, yeah Hart, straight up,
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Julie Hart.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I mean that's that's the only reason I think that
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Julia Hart goes there. She doesn't win this by any means,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: shape or form. I want to Shane. I mean, you
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: and I are gonna probably have this conversation privately. I
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: don't know if anybody else even watches the other other.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Watch all four.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I think that whoever started puts out there. As long
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: as Mayo Iwatani is in the picture, she's gonna win it.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: She's gonna be the representative representative from stardom. Watani has
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: said that she wants to come to a W and
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: wrestle Mercedes Bonet for the TBS Championship. Uh. And she
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: wants to wrestle in a W. What better way to
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: get a shot at Mercedes Bonet in a W than
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Mayu Watani winning on January fifth, and that's who she
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: goes after in AW.
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: I just want to I just want to for out
• 58:38
  Speaker 6: a name just to get to Coggs turn, especially since
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: you said the possibility of jumping over to stardom, what
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: about Harley Cameron?
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: No, no, Uh, here's the thing. And again, Shane, you
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: can back me up on this, I believe uh. And
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: here's the reason behind that as far as I'm concerned.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: And again, Shane, you may disagree with me. Mina Shira
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Kala is over in the United States, She's really not
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: that over in Japan. She's a big time mid carter.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: The reason why is she's just not cultural culturally, you know,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: popular there. I mean, she's more like she's just too sexy.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: She's over the top.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: She cares to she caters to the Western culture. May
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Aahani is is a weeves wet dream and she's fantastic
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: and she's holding but she's already holding gold, dude like
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: like that. That's my only thing, Like I could see
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: it happening. Yes, you know, the title.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Can make it interesting.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, why are you going to put a for title
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: when you've already got manet with three two titles already?
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Belt collecting collector, Yeah, multi promotional belt collecting is still
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: a thing.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: But but anyway, the only thing I could say. I
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: thought that Ada j would be a little bit too
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: sexy for Japan. But she carried herself as a wrestler
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: and not as a sex object. Harley Cameron is is
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: a sex objects herself as a wrestler. She she would
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: not go over. I don't think in Japan she would.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: She would make people uncomfortable, much uncomfortable, much like Mina
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Shirikawa does. They love her in Japan, they won't admit it.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: In the shows, she has a split audience. She does
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: a lot I mean, she has a lot of haters,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: but she has a lot of lovers too. I mean,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: like she's never she'll be full time agent. Contracts runs
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: out as soon as she hits a free agency.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if she was healthy, I would I would say
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: sky Blue should be including the conversation.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: But she's not healthy.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Sky Blue would be perfect simply because she could go
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: to Japan and start them and she's their signs. I
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: don't mean that with Julia. Not the same with Julia.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Julia is one of the taller women in a W
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Julia Julius five seven Really yeah, Julius five seven weighs
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five pounds or something like that.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: She's yeah what go back and watch the Chris Statlander
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Julia Hart match. They're they're not that far apart. Julia
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: is much taller than than she She just seems I
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: think she has a baby face, and I think that
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: kind of sets people off. But Julia is not a
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: not a tiny person.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: I think they should decide to a W one with Dave.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: Women's over the top.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's a it's a four. I know, but yeah,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. I even mentioned that, you know,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Casino Battle Royal. There you go, but it's four you know, uh.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: Four by that you know, have it like the next couple,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: like a couple of weeks from now on, because this
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: isn't gonna probably happen until world's end. Yeah, so you
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: could do a women's uh casino battle royale to just
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: decide the four last four opponents are the ones that
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: are in. That would be amazing.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yo, you know Kelson, if you were to guess
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: four first stardom right now, would it be Starlight Kid?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Want to?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: I be uh hold on, I couldn't think I could.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I would definitely starlight Kid Startlight Kid would be one
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: of mine.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Would be see what Tommy would be? One tom a
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Tommy would be would be a possibility? Is is you?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: Is Yamashida still start up or just kind of like.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: The j p W.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would go Starlight Kidwatani uh for And the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: only reason I picked MAT's a boy is because I'm
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: gonna marry her when I grow up. I want I
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: want in my life. I want to, I want to.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: I want her on in a W I want her
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: on reruns of Friends, I want her on the Big
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Bang Theory. I just I've been loved and frankly, and
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna base this on something that Kenny Omega said, Uh,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: and I love her too as I knew. Uh. Kenny
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Omega just said in an interview earlier this year that
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: of all the stardom wrestlers, he thinks that he thinks
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: that a w fans would just absolutely fall in love
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: with it with Saw And I can see why because
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: her character is just so awesome. Her character is basically
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: a stone wall. She's like the phoebia undertake her. Everybody
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: tries to make her laugh, and frankly, a lot of
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: them were very successful in doing so. But she tries
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: her hard. It's not the break character and just never
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: smile and it's it's amazing. And the thing about Siria
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: do is that she's only like five foot three, but
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: when she comes out to the ring, her presence makes
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: her look five to ten. You know, I don't know
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: how she wrestles bigger than she is. But she's this
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: tiny little thing.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Not Tam not Tam Nakano, like you don't think like.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I think Takano is his daughter. Thing already I want
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: to see somebody different.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that but that would definitely be a
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: front runner. No, no one from fucking hate Like excuse
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: me my language. Uh, Like I told Doug MoMA wants
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: a Nabi would be perfect.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Like if I had somebody from hate, it would be tackling.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Of course it would. Okay, we can. Let let's get
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: back on it because.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: I'm already because I already said that's the point. If
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: you have the way, you gonna have that there mortal enemies.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Hum hm hm.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: So we have to we now we have to have
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: a stardom podcast.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Oh I could do a start a podcast, man, that's yeah,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I love me some startup. I always say, we paid.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: We made polls. I think I've shared this before. He
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: made polls a Greatness of Wrestling. We made polls at
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: a w saying which company has the best women's division, Well,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: the greatest wrestling they picked w W E. At aw
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: fan Hub they picked a W with great with w
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: w E b second, and the Greatest of Wrestling a
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: W was second. And I'm sorry, but if you like
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: women's wrestling and you watch stardom once, you're not gonna
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: like a W.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: It's a him in centric promotion, of course, and it's
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: surrounded by people who predominantly have booked women for most
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: of their career. Understand that leg of you know, professional wrestling,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: and they're putting up the best people both.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Both they're so damn good though.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: But both the Kaijus and the Japanese nationals like that.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, like some of the best wrestler like Mariah May,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Miriam May was great in stardom, dude, like like like
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: they they churn out rock stars, it's a thing, dude, Like.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: I really think the start of Prepared to Storm to
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: be timeless Tony Storm, I agree that she's great. She
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: had to she had to emulate, you know, or not emulate.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: She had to project the character without being able to
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: speak the language. Well, I think that's what you did.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: I think you and uh. I think you and Tony
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Kahan both the same to share the same affinity for
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: Jochi wrestling. So but I mean, like employed employing Emmy
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Sakura as a as a women's trainer, both for the
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: standard locker room and the Joshi's is like genius.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, come on, I I just think it's
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: I would I would actually love to see Shida go
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: win win this and go to that match and and
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: just perform in Japan and see the I just want
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: I would love to see that. I would love to
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: see Shida and Mayu Wa Watani in the ring at
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: the same time, even if it's in a four way
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: I really would. Well.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: I think that they're going to loop stardom into Forbidden
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Door this year, so I mean we did. I think
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: we'll get started New Japan and I mean, and you
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: guys are welcome to chime in on this. I think
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: we're gonna get started New Japan and CMLLL this year.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: I think that Homicide's grip over Triple A is loosening,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: so we could see some you know changes.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: The Triple A thing has more to do with them
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: being affiliated with eight WW, doesn't it.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Please don't give you a reasonal watch for it in
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Door again?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: No? No, no, I mean yes, yes to some degree,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: because homicide is a t N a w W guy,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that has a factor and TN and and
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: homicide specifically is a very staunch and stark, you know,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: the hater of ae W. For some he's he's Bischoff.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: He's he's you know, how do I Spanish Bischoff? I'm
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: trying to say it with this, so like I like, like,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: you fail one company and what are you gonna do?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Hijack another one? Get the hell out of here. You know,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: at least Bischoff stays in his lane on podcasts, on podcasts,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: not involving himself with the business anymore, because I'm not true.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: He made his return to m x T the n
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: and he's gonna be back on TV next week.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, Eric Bischoff.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: Yes, Well, it's a good thing that he's good.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: It's a death note, it's a death.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: Match come back.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Well, god, you know one thing, One thing I will say.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: There have been a lot of discussion on the aw
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: fan ups. I've read it about and I know shanees
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: a Vibe is a proponent of this having a show
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: dedicated to women only. Now, I don't believe a weekly
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: show would work with women only, to be honest with you,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: because that would prevent them from being on the main show.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Hey we've got them on this one hour show. You know,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: because you know that's what he said, what was being
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: said to the it would be a one hour women's
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: only show. Then they're not gonna be on Dynamite Collisions.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: That doesn't that doesn't work for me. But if they
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: did a special, like a Battle of the Belts type
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: style thing where it had CMML and stardom on that special,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: I sure as hell lot.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: So something like so something like WWE's Evolution show like
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 6: a billion years ago when you had all the females.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but not to AW but CMLL and start them
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: in there as well as well as you can bring
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: t JPW in if want, you know, chiple A if
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: they have.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: Women, And I know that, but I'm just saying like,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 6: like pretty much just the same premises of it's an
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: all women's show and they're gonna have title matches and
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 6: a bunch of froids.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, special maybe like a quarterly special or something like that.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: You mean, I was thinking europe Max.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: You mean like when WWE did that one time premium
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: live event.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 9: I think it was called Evolution Evolution back in twenty
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 9: back in twenty eighteen, I remember because Ronda Rouse was
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 9: and they had freaking Lizzie Hal and Nita Stress Open
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 9: was playing the song.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: I remember that much.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I want to I want to move on
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: because we're gonna talk about one more topic and then
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do our pot pirie. Uh. The topic that
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: I want to bring up is flight for the following
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: has been announced for January first, twenty twenty five, and
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: that will be simulcasts, I mean, the first of many
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: simulcast on Max. Now, one thing that I do want
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: to point out to our listeners and to our panel here,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: if you do not have Max, they're running a special
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: from now until December second where you can get MAX
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: for six months at two ninety nine a month. So
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: if you don't have Max, get off this podcast what
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: we're done and go order MAX. You'll get it for
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: six months for two ninety nine a month. So you
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: can get it for basically for six months for three
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: dollars what's at eighteen bucks under twenty bucks for six months.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: That's a that's a damn good deal. Now that is
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: not the version. That is the version with ads. So
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: but the ads are really I mean, if you're watching
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: a movie on Max, you get it like two or
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: three minutes worth of ads, like in the middle of
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: the movie, which is good because you can go to
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: the bathroom or something, you know, So it's not that big.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: It's not like a hindurance. So that's a great deal.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: So who's going to be watching on Max and not
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: on TBS.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Now, Uh, let me let me tell you something, Kelson.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: I unfortunately, I'm unfortunately one of those guys that subscribes
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: to Hulu plus with with a lot who live with
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: ads without ads, and it has ads, which drives me crazy.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: But I literally do it for NFL and for AW
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: and to have the NFL potentially on Netflix, which I
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: also pay for, and AW on Max, which I also
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: pay for, saves me seventy dollars a month to just
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: cancel who live and say kick bricks I'm pumped and
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: their live sign account.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: I do have a post on the aw fant hub
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: subreddit chain and about this, you know, the two ninety
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: nine a month. Go look it up, because I do
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: believe it says that it is also available for current subscribers.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, I'm like it. If I were
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: to screen share with you right now my other monitor,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: I'm literally reordering Max right now.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: It's hey, you can't be of course, it goes up
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: to seven hundred and forty three dollars after the first
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: six months. Roes. Oh god, it's very reasonable. Yeah, so
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: at least you'll be able to obviously doesn't start streaming
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: on Max for another month, but you'll definitely get five
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: five months of Max for what fifteen dollars.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of shox, they really do.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: They have a lot of stuff on Max, including football
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. So so there you go. Uh
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: who else is anybody else gonna be watching AW on
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Max and not on TBS and TNT. Me.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: I don't have cable, so I don't watch, And like
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: I said, I have to go watch the other friend's
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: houses to watch it on there to do that because
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: I just pay for Internet. But that'll still be cheaper
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: than even if Pool Praiser. It will be cheaper than
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: what my cable bill was.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right by Sea Boss, Probably we'll start watching on
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: Max so he doesn't have to come over to my
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: place every Wednesday to watch Dynamite.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: As for me, I don't know.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: I didn't watch it on Max the first night just
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: to see if it's better. I mean, it would be
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: cool if if the commercial breaks are different than it
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: is on TBS. I I'd like to see not picture
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: and picture for maybe if they just did it the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: middle of the show, you know what I mean. I
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: don't know. We'll see. So let's move on to our
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: pot Pourri segment, and the pot prise segment is where
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: you could bring up a topic about anything in AEW
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: and we'll discuss it. Who wants to go first? Y, Well,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: I know what you're going to talk about?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, no, I mean day you know where I'm
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: going with this.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know how to feel about all this Ricky
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: Starks news. Whether I should be because he's been pulled
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: from all of his g c W dates.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: Because of a W stuff. I don't know how to.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: He it's nothing. The latest is is that Ricky Starks
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: was pulled from g c W dates because of something
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: that Fie, a wrestler for a for g c W,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: said something that Fie said on a podcast about Shod
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Khan uh. Tony Con did not like that and he's
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: prohibited Ricky Starks from participating in gc W. However he
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: did what was this is what was reported. Ricky Starks
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: is able to take any other in the wrestling. It
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: has so. In other words, wallins, it has nothing to
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: do with Ricky Starks. It has everything to do with
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: the wrestler at GCW who disrespected shot.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: Con understood which isn't tag been annoying because I kind
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: of wanted to see Matt Cardona and Ricky Starks have
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: that match.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: It seemed like it would have been good.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: And now it looks like we're not GA gay because
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: it seems like Cardona is appearing in AW was a
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: one off and Tony Kahan doesn't want to use Ricky
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: Starks for whatever reason, is assigned to GCW or did
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: they able to have side wrestlers.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know enough about GCW.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: GCW has their own roster. They're kind of like on it. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: Cardona is on it. They're a landing well. But GCW
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: contracts give a lot more freedom to work indies. That's
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: kind of like the did stick with most indie contracts.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: But you know, uh, I don't want to efie. The
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: wrestler in question has a known history of being a
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: shit talker and ruining things for other people. And I
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: think he's fantastic. I love him, love love his platform,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: love what he uses his platform for. I just sometimes
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: he could get a little off the coff and say
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: things that are not.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Real.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: But I think to punish Ricky for that is. You know,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: if if that's something Ricky wanted to do. You know,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: I think they should have still allowed him to have
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: that opportunity. I mean, Tony Kahn wants to maintain a
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: good working relationship with the Indies if he wants to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: continue to draft some of their more you know, successful talent.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: And then blood Sport was over the weekend, which is
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: a GCW event that Marina Shaffir, John Moxley and Speedball
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Mike Bailey. We're all of Adam. We know that he
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: at some point is going to be aw bounds, so.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 5: He was also a blood Sport.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's probably not a good idea to have
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: a falling out with that promotion over one person's uh,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: you know, one person's opinion, you know, one dude that
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: has very little pull on the entire roster. I don't
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: think that for Tony Kahan to say.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, this is no cool.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: I'm mad at you, you know, come on, dude, like.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Like, but from all we know, Ricky Starks came out
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: and you said, I don't like this at all. You know,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: I don't like that guy. You know, I need out
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: of this. Tony helped me out.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: But and that's the thing, and that's the thing. Everybody's
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: gonna say it's done that. It's one guy's idea. This
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: is what happened, that's what happened. We don't know what
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: really happened. You just to go based on what you
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: know about the people involved. And I kind of think
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: what Kelson just said makes more sense that. You know,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: I don't see him doing that because unless you've done
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: something drastic in front of the fans or said something
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: that is known to ben said by you, Tony usually
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: doesn't do anything like that. He lets things go to
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: the point where you have the c him punk kind
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: of shit happened, you know what I mean? So, yeah,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: who knows what really happened.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe this is Tony Kahan finally like standing his ground
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: and so, you know what, I'm not gonna let these
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: guys walk all over me.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 6: You know, I couldn't be too okay. I just wanted
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: to circle back to GCW because they also do business
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 6: with WWE, and I personally in surprise, that wasn't the
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: strong that broke Tony's.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: One more time. Yeah, you broke up really bad there,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: but I'm sorry.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: No, So GCW especially was there blood sports stuff They
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 6: will bring in WWE guys, and I'm surprised that really
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 6: hasn't been a turn off for Tody from GCW.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean in gc GCW for blood Sports specifically,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: has had five separate promotions there including WW all at
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: once you had a WWW. Yeah, you had a WWE
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: person fighting an aw person during a blood Sport three
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: years ago.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: Exactly exactly. That's That's That's where what I'm saying, like,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: is j c W literally like where AWWWE somehow coexists
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 6: is GCW blood Sport where we've had Shana Bazeor show
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: up on blood Sport twice this year and this past
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: week we had Carmen Petrovitch show up on blood Sport.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, let's circle back to rawlins.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Do you want to wrap up your potpourri? Or you
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: said everything that you needed to say.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: It's just unfortunate that guys like Ricky and Miro and
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: others are just kind of sitting on their hands doing
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: nothing when they could be utilized on the ross during
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: some way like there was a reason, like I invested
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: so much of my fandom in Ricky starts, and I,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, it was validated.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: You know, personally, I.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: Would have had him take the title off of MJF,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: but that's neither here nor there. So I just don't
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: like how Tony conn is just like, Yeah, I have
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: nothing for you, so I'm just gonna make you sit
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: at home and do nothing.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Well, this may rawlins workout Ricky Stark's benefit, because maybe
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: to throw him a bone, Tony Connell say hey, we've
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: got a collision coming up, let's put you on it.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 6: You never know, I just want to I'm sorry about Miro.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 6: But does Miro actually want to come back and like
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 6: do aw or.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Does he just want We don't know?
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 6: Or is he like or is he content with sitdying
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 6: at home, wedding is contractor and potentially going back to WWE,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: or just retiring from wrestling at all.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: I could expand on that. So Miro attributes his fallout
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: with his wife to them both being with a w
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: at the same time. You know, I don't, I I don't.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: I can't confirm because I'm not in their marriage. I
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: could tell you what I've researched and found. But it
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: seems to be that he might have some ground to
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: stand in making a statement like that, because you know
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: what probably brought on the end of their marriage was
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: a product of relationships she developed within AW. So he
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: is volunteerly sitting on his hands. He's getting paid to
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: sit on his hands, but he's voluntarily sitting on his hands.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. It's this is touble speculation
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: on my part, but i'd don't think that we're going
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: to have receive Hero in a wrestling ring again, or
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: I think he wants to retire. I think this has
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: hit him hard, and uh, I think he's just If
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: we do see him again, I don't think it'll be
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: even if his contract runs out. I don't think it'll
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: be in any ring until for a couple of years,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: and he's not a spring chicken anymore. This may be
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: the end of him in the wrestling ring, which is
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: a shame because I really enjoy it.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: I think we'll seem as Russov. It's more likely we'll
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: seem as Russov. I think he's going to go the
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: route of Androtti, but I don't think they're going to
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: run him straight to the main roster. I think he'll
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: head back to NXT, rebuild himself, maybe hold a mid
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: mid I mean it's hard to say a mid card
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: title in NXT say that five times fast?
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: What is that? That's the men NXT World Championship. But like, sorry,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: anybody else.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: Does anybody else have a pri Let's go ahead and
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: move on. Let's let's get another pot pourri discussion going.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Anybody I have twenty, I always have Pope Prix.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: Make your best one saved the other nineteen for next year.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: Oh god no, that's why we podcast on our own, right,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: you know I want to like, this is just a thought.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: My Pope pri is a is a expressing a thought
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: for everyone that's crapping on Kenny Omega right now for
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: going back to New Japan. First, shut the hell up. Please.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: This dude literally like has been fighting to be in
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: a wrestling ring for us his entire career, through tragedy
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: and relocation and and and serious injury. Every time this
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: dude turns around, something is serious. He seriously injured or
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: he's sick. He's fought seriously injured for three years and said,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: I'm taking a step back and get crapped on this
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: guy then too. Let him go back to Japan. Man,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: it's his life, it's it's what he wants to do.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Stop being a jerk, he'll be back to AWB patient
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: and if you have a problem with him not being
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: an aw go watch New Japan like a big boy.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: Amen, way off. Kenny Punk, Kenny Omega.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: You say, Kenny Punk, Holy Ship, Kenny, Kenny Kenny's Kenny's
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: reasons for going to New Japan make perfect sense. And
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: what he said, you know he doesn't need they don't
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: They don't really have a place for him in a
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: W right now. Where are you gonna put him?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: If he comes, you can make a place for him,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: You could instantly.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: It's Kenny Omega gonna do. They're gonna be on Dynamite
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: tomorrow night.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: He'll be. He'll do more good in you Japan that
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: right now than he will in a W because you're
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: not gonna want to throw him in a major thing
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: right now in a W because he's still recovering and
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: he's not. You know, they do that sometimes too often.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: Or he'll bring somebody back and say, Okay, well you
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: you're not injured anymore. We're just gonna throw you right
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: into it. And then you know, you got guys like
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: Adam Cole that are nowhere near where they should be
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: to be able to wrestle. Again, but yet he gets
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: thrown into a major thing to try to go up
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: against them. JF, why would you do that to one
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: of your big superstars.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: Sudden, you took the words right out of my mouth,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: because that's exactly where I.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: Was going to go with it, Like.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: There's no need for Kenny Omega to come back, because
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: if he were to return to AW, let's say tomorrow,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: you're gonna put him into a major storyline because it's
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: freaking Kenny Omega, and he's just not in a position
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: to do that, like the New.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: Japan uses and with this much issues that New Japan
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: have had over the past year, him going to New
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: Japan and starting back again there will allow New Japan
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: hopefully to recover some of what they.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: Lost, not even not only that that they built the
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: aw's entire product was built in New Japan, the entire thing.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: So so give Kenny some time to rebuild himself, recruit
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: garner interest over there, and then they bring it back
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: to America for Forbidden Door. But like there are so
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: I see on the forums, like so many people who
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: are like it's not even decisive, Like o F, Kenny Omego,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: why is he not coming back to a w like
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: probably because you've never seen him on New Japan before.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: And you you're I want it almost liked cook You're
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: you're like, you're an idiot, You're a grifter.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 10: Go away, And I'll tell you what the fact that
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 10: not only is he coming back to New Japan, but
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 10: he's facing Game Kids.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: Like that's not that's not exactly you know.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: Just making like I'm little returned like Game Kids is
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: a serious wrestler.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well there are implications beyond that, good rollins. It
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: is a form. It is the former best leader of
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Bullet Club going against Bullet Club's top guy and potentially
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: the next leader of Bullet Club. Like yeah, like that's great.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: Like the stories bill themselves.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: And I know they have a connection between the two,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: but with Kenny going to New Japan, you could build
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: an even stronger connection that could allow more interaction between
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: the New Japan and AW than they have now, not
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: just with guys like Ecee and the Murder Grandpa, but
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: you could start bringing in more guys like Jeff Cobb
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: or Gabe Kid or any number of the young guys
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: that don't come over here.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: Exactly seton and like for somebody like me, who's not
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: as familiar with, you know, the New Japan product Kenny
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: Omega going up we're there, like gets my attention, like, oh,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: maybe I should tune into New Japan to see what
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: Kenny Omega is doing.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: And you know that gets more eyes on New Japan.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Hey, Sutton, to be fair to all the New Japan
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: guys here in ae W, they're all homicide elders. She
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: is not a spring chicken.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: Dude, I know, but you know what I mean.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just it as forties.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, like all of these guys are like homicide
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: Grandpa's But she.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: About being in his forties isn't old. When you come
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: about wrestlers, you can't talk about guys that are under
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: fifty or above forty but not quite fifty to fifty five.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: You can't talk to them about being old. Because Shabona
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: can still go with anybody, and the only reason that
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: he had issues was because of the injury he had.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: I'm projecting because I'm almost forty and I feel old.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: I'm over fifty five, so shut up. You know that.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: The kind of weird thing is you were talking about
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: how the New Japan most of the people who came
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: from or the bill aw were did their thing through there,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: but people don't mention how many of them can from
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: r o H and r o H to me just
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: never after they just they shut it down the first
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: time before Tony bought it. That kind of killed r
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: o H for me.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: Well, it killed r o H for.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: A lot of people.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well the reason are you know why r o
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: H shutdown?
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I can't remember it.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: So their owner and promoter was involved with a uh
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: a scandal that evolved the word that rhymes with s metophilia.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so like uh so the company was Yeah.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: Now, I just it's just amazing to me that now
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: that Tony's brought it back, I just don't think it's
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: getting the the the necessary love that it needs to
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: be getting. Well, I mean, like it's I think there's
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: too much interaction with people from r o H being
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: on a w L, especially the men women sat up
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: a big deal, but you don't ever see except for
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: pay per views. Most of the title defenses for the
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: ROH titles are done in aew You.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: Know, I've said this before and this is a pretty
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: you know, extreme critique, but I feel that Tony Kahn's
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: presence in ROH is cheap in the product completely and
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: if you look at Ring of Honors Heyday, you got
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: keny Omega, Adam Cole, Kyle Riley, Bobby Fish. That's to
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: name a few. I can name a few more since
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: Gay Nakamura, Kazuko, kata Uh, Penta, Kevin Owens, Kevin stem Yeah,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: Al Jenerico, Yeah, that Tyler Black the stuff it was
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: now Rollins. I mean, like all of these guys like
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: these huge names like like see him Punk Samoa Joe,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: you know, or to dip even further in you know,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: EXCaliber you know, like look at Excalibur, you know, like
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: like yeah, like ROH has had some of the world's
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: greatest wrestlers involved with them. But to wrap this back
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: into New Japan, most of these guys in ro OH
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: actually started with New in Japan and leaked over to
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: r H. Like the Elite disputed. They were New Japan
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: guys before they were rh guys. I mean AJ Styles
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: was the first peer Champion, like straight up yeah, like
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: and that's aj Styles one of the greatest wrestlers on earth.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: So, by the way, just saw this tweet from New
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: Japan Global after a challenge from the Young Bucks was
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: accepted by the Great o'conn and and raw.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: Excuse me if I mispronounced that name.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: And Hi w GP Tag Team Championship Match has been
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: added to January fifth at Russell Dynasty.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna be great. These guys have all
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: runned before. It's gonna be a banger.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: Well, let's let's move on to Sutton and Steve have
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: not done their pote marie yet, neither of I.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 7: So, jeez, I don't know what to talk about. There's
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 7: you guys, like you guys covered all what I was
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 7: gonna talk about, like the the Ricky Stark stuff, and you.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: Gotta be aggressive, Steve, come on, buddy, how everybody else does?
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: How about how? How? I don't know?
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 7: I like, uh, Will Hobbs coming back and like I
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 7: and like I think he's good in the ring now
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 7: and like I think he's going somewhere now that he's back.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: And do you like him as a face better than
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: as a heel? Yeah?
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 7: I think that's it. That's what I'm liking.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you see his interview with Renee Renee Pikata
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: was posted on YouTube earlier today? No, I'll watch it.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's really good. Did you know that
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: his brother was murdered right in front of him? Matter
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: of fact, his brother he pushed him out of the way.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: Hobbs got shot in the arm. His brother took six
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: in the chest. Boom oh, and Hobbs talked about this
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit during the interview. It's really good because
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: I've always said that Hobbes is he always strikes me
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: as just one of those guys that I want to
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: hang around with. He just seems like a genuine good dude.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: That's how I feel too, you know. And he was
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: just all the way to put it, he was balling
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: his eyes out during this interview. He was belfore it
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: was a really good interview. It was really really something.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: He was walking around fright night and Jim Schwartz and
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: the tank Top just high five and strangers. I didn't
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: I personally saw him, but didn't get to say hey
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: to him. But a bunch of people I were with
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: like got to talk to him for a couple of minutes,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: and I guess he was like super cool.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: Everybody that ever talks about him outside of the ring
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: say he is the nicest, most most amicable person you'll
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: ever meet. And what he said earlier this year when
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: he first came back, he wants to try to put
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: his real personality into his character. Now he's going to
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: go away from the other stuff and become more like
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: he is in real life, which could be a lot
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: of fun.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this interview, he talked about not even being able
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: to like take his kids to school. He's got an
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: eighteen year old son, he's got a daughter that's younger
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: than that, and heah, but anyway, No, he was talking
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: about not even being able to put his shoes on
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. You're not not putting be able
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: to put any weight. He went to physical therapy three
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: hours a day for six days a week. He was
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: going to the gym still, just even though he couldn't
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: do much, he still went to the gym, you know.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: And and he said that his goal was to come
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: back better than he was when he left. And you know,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: and he did lose it. What he was talking about
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: his kids having to take care of him, you know,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: and that they did a good job, you know. And
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: he just strikes me. He talked about being a dad
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: and you know, a man's responsibility as a father. The
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: guy just said everything right, I mean it's a really
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: good interview.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: It's on YouTube.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: It's with Rene Paquette. It's on the AW official AW
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel, or you can go on AW Final because
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: I put a link cord up there. It's definitely worth
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: a view. Even if you're not what you would consider
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: a fan of Will Hobbs, you will be after this.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: I mean you'll you'll get it. He's just a good
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: He's just a good dude. He really is.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: Hey, Keel said, all I will say is this. You
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: mentioned how he saw his brother get murdered right in
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: front of him.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: MJF better not find out about that because you know
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: how kind of promo and mentioned that.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: Well neither should Nick wayn Nick Wayne is gonna probably
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: be like I'll be your step brother.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 6: What's wrong?
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: That's wrong?
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 7: Like yeah, Like I only seen Will Hobbs as just
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 7: like someone who would always squash or like in always
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 7: the Squash matches. I'm like, well, come on, there has
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 7: to be more to this guy and than when he
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 7: comes back and returns, it's like I totally see something
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 7: different in him. I'm like, oh, now I want to
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 7: watch him sort.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: Of yeah, but does anybody else have a potpourri sudden.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: I I do have a potpourri, and I men ask
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: everybody that's listening and everybody that's on the panel tonight
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: tomorrow night, to get out your lamb chops, your pork chops,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: your chop sticks, because we're gonna have Chris Jericho and
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: Tamo Heroishi in a chop fest. There's no other way
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: to put it. Oh yeah, what's what's the over under?
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: I'm saying two hundred chops at least tomorrow night, believe
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: it or not. The last time they wrestled, I did
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: count it, and I stopped counting at one hundred, and
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: that was only about maybe a third of the way
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: through the match. But that was a little bit of
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: a differause if you remember they spent the first ten
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: minutes of that match, they didn't remember that. They didn't
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: even attempt the wrestling move. I didn't even do a
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: half long They just started right chopping with each other.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: And they just stood toe to toe and chopped. You know,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: Jericho was bleeding through his ear. You know. It was
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: just like, I'm like, we're gonna see red chests had
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of chopping tomorrow night, and I hope it's
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: a good long match, and I hope it's right at
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: nine o'clock because that would be the perfect time to
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: take my dogs out because I have no intention to
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: watching this match.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 6: To me, over five hundred, I.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: Don't think they can go that long. Don't break their
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: hands if they do it that much, buddy, But yeah,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: I mean it's tell me hero Ishi now this is
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: for the rig of Hoter World Championship on a w TV.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: Tell me hero Ishi is right now? Oh at eleven
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: and a w singles matches. Why is he in this match?
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: That hasn't wrestled Erico under the Learning Tree, isn't he?
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: Did he wrestle him? Was that last match with Jericho?
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: And in the with Jericho the Learning Tree at the time?
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: Pretty sure it was.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 6: All they got to.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: You've got to get all the conglomeration into this eventually,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: that's what this is.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: They need to decide whether the collaboration is going to
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: be going after the Death Writers or they're going to
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: go after the Learning Tree, or if they're going after
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: the women's division. Who the hell knows what they're doing.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: They're all over the damn place.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, I see them kind of I see them
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: kind of breaking the conglomeration down a little bit now,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: because for the next month, you've got uh, You've got
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: what was his name in the in the C two,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: and then Mark he's in the C two and Ors
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: Cassidy got the crap beat out of him. And if
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: you watch the mjf Roddy match, then you've got Kyle
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: O'Reilly going weird on that one. So you might not
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: see the conglomeration together anymore, at least.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Not like that, not like that. But I'm still I
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: mean that's what they're doing. I mean, look, the fact
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: of the matter is it's gonna be a chop best.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: It's a totally mirorless match. I do have another potpourri, uh,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: and it kind of goes along with this. I made
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: a post on aw fan Hub and I said something
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: that is so poetic, and so it got questioned right away.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: I said that the Orange Cassidy match against John Moxley
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: at full gear was pointless but necessary, pointless but necessary,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: and somebody, how could you have a match be both
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: pointless and necessary? That's and so I explained it to him.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: It was pointless because nobody that I've talked to expected
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Orange Cassidy to win that match. Everybody expected Orange Cassie
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: to lose, So in that regard, it was kind of
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: pointless putting him in a World Championship match as a
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: main event on a pay per view when there was
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: literally no hope from anybody that I talked to, whether
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: it be on this podcast or in the different social
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: media rounds that I do. Nobody, and I mean this sincerely.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: Some people said they wanted Orange Cassie to win, but
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: nobody thought he was gonna win that I talked to. Now,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: now that's what made the match pointless. Why was it necessary?
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: Because somebody had to do it, And frankly, Orange Cassidy
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: has a history with John Moxley, so that's why Max
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: that Cassidy was put in that position. But still it
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: was totally a of the matches that were on full gear.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: That one was like absolutely certain there was no way
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: to win going into it.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: The only way Max would have lost that masters if
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: he would have got a broken leg or something in
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: the middle of it. Yeah, but I mean, like you said,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: it wasn't it wasn't it. It wasn't necessary, but it
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: was or it wasn't needed, but it was necessary for
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: the simple fact that that was the stepping stone to
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: the next level of the Death Riders storyline.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: And that's why the pay per view ending kind of
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: made people a little bit upset because it was no
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: clear the step. The next step wasn't made clear. It
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: was very open ended because you had multiple people out
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: there that could then be the next challenger.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: So yeah, but I think the whole Derby thing is
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: the is the next step and if it's not him,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: it's it's gonna be either Christian or somebody else, because
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: I still think the will the uh the uh uh cowboy.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: Let me say something, No, let me say something to
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: you here, sudden look at the C two. Look at
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: the C two roster right right? The C two ends
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: at World's end, right right, that's the final right that,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: in and of itself, that tells me that nobody in
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: this C two roster is the next step for John Moxley,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: because the only way they could be is by being
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: failures in a lesser championship.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're not picking Darby to win.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: But why would you Derby Darby challenge for the World
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: Championship but he's losing so goddamn much.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the same thing saying that the same question
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: that can be asked. Everybody says that Stylander should be
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: into women's world title match, but she keeps losing because
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: he Shouldn't you say that.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think that she'd be in the world title match.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: She loses too much. She's got enough to win there.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: But you know, the only person in that match, the
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: only person in the C two that would be the
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: next step for him is Derby if they want to
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: go with Derby now, but it could be somebody else.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: We don't know. It's not gonna I know it definitely
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: not gonna be Christian because it's sorry. Ask ain't gonn
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: challenge him unless he knows he can beat him?
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: Exactly? Well, you can. You could argue that Osprey could be.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: But I will say this, nobody in the C two
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: is is Boxley's next step. They can't be. There's no
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: way they can set it up. How are you gonna
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: have because the C two is a round robin, so
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: even if they're eliminated, they're still gonna be fighting up
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: until like the week before the finals in the C two.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: And why would you put a loser in the C two?
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: Is as the world champion.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: This is one of the reasons why I said that
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: this whole Death Riders storyline and the C two don't
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: mix because you're eliminating you're eliminating twelve people from that,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: and you're putting people in the C two. The big
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: thing right now with the Death Writers is they attack people.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: You can't do that in the C two. So Claudia
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: was on his own.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: Something tells me get ready for hangman at him page
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: and John Moxley, what is it? Four or five? Four?
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: Could be?
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: Could be?
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: But he's got problems with Jay White. I mean, well,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: I guess Jay White's going after Christian maybe.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: Well at the end of the pay per view he
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: was screaming pack Yeah, that's right.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: And the thing about that is that could lead except
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: for the fact that Juice is in it too, So
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: that puts them a man down, even if they have
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: the entire Bang Bang gang. So that puts him a
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: man down going up against the Death Writers. So the
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: Death Riders are still well I guess not because Claudi's
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: in there. So it makes it even I.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: Don't just scount lastly, right, And and.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: That's and that's the most that's the best part of
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: that whole thing. Everybody's like, oh, it didn't make it
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: clear who cares. It gave us so many options that
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: we don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow night when it
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: comes to Moxley. Moxie could come out and declared that
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: he's going after the Bang Bang Gang. He could come
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: out and declared he's going after the Hurt Syndicate. He
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: could come out and declared he's going after anybody Derby,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, there's there's so many options for this,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: and that's what makes it exciting because it's what everybody wants.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: Everybody wants there to be that unknown factor in a
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: W and I'm by god if there ain't that unknown
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: factor right now.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, suck you brought up, you know, Chris
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: Statlander for whatever reason going after the World Championship. I mean,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: we are going to need somebody to go after the
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: World champions It could be mean as shere Kala, that
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: could be true.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: The way they.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, CALLA is not on a winning streak. Tony Storm
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: certainly isn't on a winning streak. She's lost three matches
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: in a row, singles Matches'll be it not a W
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: but she still lost three matches in a row and
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: singles petition. Only two women in AW that have some
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: kind of momentum going into to uh A possibility of
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: challenging Mariah may Is, Mercedes Modem Jamie Hater. I mean,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: am I wrong there?
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: Well, Jamie hasn't really been in a match. I mean,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: she's had what two matches since he's come back. In
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: the one they drug her off before she got involved
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: in it, and the other one she went up against Penelope.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: So you know, that goes back to saying earlier about
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: how they.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: Bring people in beat the Carsheta.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: I don't think she wrestled cheated.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know, so sheida loses to everybody these days.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: But but that's that's part of the problem is that
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: that I have with the way they do things in AW.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: You know, you're not using you're not using the win
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: loss records, so throw that out the door. But they
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: have so many people who are losing matches that shouldn't
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: lose matches, and you're not giving yourself a clear cut
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: person to put in a title shot, especially in the
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: winner's division, because everybody's losing if they're if they're and
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: and when they do get a shot at the titles.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: They're losing, Yeah, and A one and a Jay Wonder
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: Magic against Mariah the first time and then got beat
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: the second time, and her momentum is killed. You got
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: Queen Amnada going up against Mercedes Money and gets beat.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: She's got no momentum anymore. Chris lost to her. She's
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: got no minimum anymore. The only ones that have momentum
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: that aren't there is Julia.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: They killed Penelope for its momentum as well.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was ridiculous. Yeah, I mean I agree with you. Well, look,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: we need to wrap this up because we're heading on
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: to two hours.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: Now, go for three minutes, go to midnight.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: Well, anyway, I do have a couple of announcements, one
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: being is that we will be doing our Dynamite post
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: show review show right after Dynamite on our discord. The
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: link to the discord will be in this podcast description.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: The second announcement is is on Friday at noon. Black
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: Friday at noon the nomination start for the aw fan
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: Hub twenty twenty four Awards. We've got the categories all
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: set up. We're going to post them up on all
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: of our social media. You can nominate three wrestlers in
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: each category. We'll keep that going for a week and
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: then after the nominations are talied, the top four from
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: each category will then be put the vote and you
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: will select the aew fan Hub Award. So be sure
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: to look for that on all of our social media
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: Blue Sky, aw fan Hub, our Discord, YouTube, put it
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: everywhere so you can cast your boats for your nominations
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: in each of these categories. And we did it last year.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: This is the second annual one and it was a
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: lot of fun. We had thousands of votes last year
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: and our community has grown strippled since last year at
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: this time, so this could be really fun. It could
• 1:50:20
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• 1:50:22
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• 1:50:26
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• 1:50:31
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