Latest / Luke's English Podcast / Remembering Cody Haney_ Kaci _ Chad_s Account of the Weekend That Changed Everything

Transcript

Remembering Cody Haney_ Kaci _ Chad_s Account of the Weekend That Changed Everything · Luke's English Podcast

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: In Tragedy a True crime podcast, we discuss missing persons, cases,
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: violent crime, and other sensitive topics that may be difficult
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: for some listeners. Listener discretion is advised. Our show is
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: a place where every story matters and every voice deserves
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: to be heard. To support this podcast, you can subscribe
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: at www dot tragedyatruecrime podcast dot com for early access
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: to new episodes and join our Facebook community Tragedy a
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: True Crime Podcast for updates, discussions, and ways to support
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: the families we feature. As we continue learning about Cody
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: Haney and his disappearance, we'd like to welcome Chad, his coworker,
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: and Chad's fiance, Casey to the podcast. Welcome to the show.
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: Hello, Hey there, And before we.
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: Get into Cody and his disappearance, tell us a little
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: bit about you and your relationship to Cody.
• 1:12
  Speaker 3: Me and Cody was coworkers and we were friends before
• 1:16
  Speaker 3: we started working together. We were good friends, but we
• 1:21
  Speaker 3: started working together and we just became closer and started
• 1:24
  Speaker 3: seeing the kind of person he was, and we just
• 1:27
  Speaker 3: got closer.
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: And I actually knew Cody before me and Chad got together.
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: We used to work together and then we hung out
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: and we were good friends as well.
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: And what would you like people to know about Cody.
• 1:48
  Speaker 3: He had a big heart. He cared about other people
• 1:51
  Speaker 3: more than he cared about himself. He's a very outdoorsy guy,
• 2:02
  Speaker 3: happy to go, and very energetic. He's just overall a
• 2:07
  Speaker 3: good person.
• 2:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, despite what you know people might have heard about
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: him or anything, you know, he he was a pretty
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: good guy, a good dad, or at least tried to
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: be as the best.
• 2:20
  Speaker 4: As he could. You know, he was a good employee.
• 2:25
  Speaker 4: From what I know, He's just a good person.
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: Something that we have found as we've continued this journey,
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: it is the importance of talking about someone as a
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: person and their heart and their character as opposed to
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: maybe a decision or a behavior that may really stick
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: with them because it's kind of been a bad choice
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: or a negative choice. And we've seen this before and
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: some of our other stories where it feels like maybe
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: someone's disappearance wasn't attended to in the way that we
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: would want it to be because of some behavior that
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: they engaged in. And so that is why it is
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: so important that we are speaking with with you and
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: with Selena and with Michelle and everyone really close to
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: Cody because we want to know about him as a
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: person and not necessarily about some of the I agree.
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: So can you tell us what did a normal workday
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: look like?
• 3:23
  Speaker 3: It started out at seven point thirty every morning. We'd
• 3:28
  Speaker 3: get to work and I'd usually be there before him,
• 3:31
  Speaker 3: and we'd load up our truck and we'd go out
• 3:34
  Speaker 3: to people's properties and survey their properties and make show
• 3:38
  Speaker 3: them where their property corners are and stuff like that.
• 3:41
  Speaker 3: We were out in the woods a lot. It's pretty
• 3:46
  Speaker 3: hard work, but we had a good time while we
• 3:49
  Speaker 3: were doing it, just because the friendship.
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice to work with somebody that you like,
• 3:58
  Speaker 2: get along with and you can hang out with at
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: all your working, not working, Yeah, having fun.
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there are you know so many times in our
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: lives where we get we don't get to choose our
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: co workers. Sometimes we'll say right, and so those times
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: when it is fortunate that it's someone that we really
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: click with. And sounds like you all had a relationship before,
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: which I think really helped a lot. From speaking to Michelle,
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: it seemed like things were going pretty well at work
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: and Cody was was doing a great job. Can you
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: tell us more about that?
• 4:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was doing a great job. He was. He
• 4:33
  Speaker 3: was actually running the crew that me and him was on.
• 4:36
  Speaker 3: He was, he was in a supervisor position. He was
• 4:40
  Speaker 3: working to run a crew and get pay pay raise,
• 4:46
  Speaker 3: So he was very determined on doing that and pretty
• 4:52
  Speaker 3: much he just he was a go getter.
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: So it would have been unusual for him to be
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: late or to not show up for work or something
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: like that. He was on time and all those kinds of.
• 5:02
  Speaker 3: The last time, the last time I seen him, he
• 5:05
  Speaker 3: said he'd see me at work on Monday.
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: And was that Friday? That was the twenty first, was
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: the last time?
• 5:11
  Speaker 4: Sorry Friday, No would see what works every day? Yeah,
• 5:15
  Speaker 4: it's working the work Saturday.
• 5:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, he was on a Saturday.
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a Friday that he well, y'all got
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: off work Friday and then y'all was gonna work extra
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: that Saturday.
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna make up more hours and he
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: never showed it. Yea, that is what we understand as well.
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: That Friday, typically Selena would pick him up and take
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: him home, and she was not available, and so he
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: was able to obtain a work.
• 5:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he asked that bar the work truck, and the
• 5:49
  Speaker 3: boss man said it's fun.
• 5:53
  Speaker 1: And then he was going to bring it back Saturday
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: morning and then you guys would continue, yes, ma'am as
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: normal on Saturday. Yeah, So in the days and weeks
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: kind of leading up to these events that happened over
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: the weekend, and we definitely want to get into those events,
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: did you notice anything unusual or different about Cody leading
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: up to this sort of interesting weekend that happened.
• 6:16
  Speaker 3: Not particularly, I mean, he seemed a little bit troubled
• 6:20
  Speaker 3: about his child, because he's dealing with his child then
• 6:25
  Speaker 3: at that point, but nothing other than that. He seemed
• 6:32
  Speaker 3: very strong, willed and wanting to do better.
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: So can you tell us what your recollection is about
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: that weekend? So let's just start with Saturday when you
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: showed up and he wasn't there. Sort of what did
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: the rest of that weekend look like for you? So
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: what had really happened? Okay, So they had got home
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: or he had got home on Friday, Chad had and
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: he said that they were going to work on Saturday,
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: and it was probably like what like seven or something
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: in the morning when Grice called you and had asked
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: if Chad had heard from Cody because the truck was
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: there and the door was open. The truck looked like
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: it had been rummaged through Cody's I believe. Yeah, the
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: window was busted out of the office and Cody's phone
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: was left inside, but there was no sight of Cody.
• 7:27
  Speaker 4: So then.
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: That phone call loke me up and Pad was like
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: explaining everything, and I'm like, well, what the heck? So
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: I texted his mother, Michelle, and I had asked if
• 7:40
  Speaker 2: because me and her were good also good friends when
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: me and Cody used to hang out prior me, I
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: used to go over to Michelle's house and we also
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: worked together small town, and so I had asked her
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: if she had heard from Cody that morning, and she
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: had said no, And I didn't say anything else because
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: I'd didn't want anybody to get panicked, because I didn't
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: feel at that point in time it was cause for concern.
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: Then about an hour later, she said that she called
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: or texted and had said that she hadn't heard from Cody,
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: that he was supposed to be at work, asking if
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: Chad had heard from him, and that's when I was.
• 8:22
  Speaker 4: Like, no.
• 8:23
  Speaker 2: Griz had called earlier and asked if we had heard
• 8:26
  Speaker 2: from Cody, because you know, the door was left open,
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: his stuff was left there, but no Cody in sight.
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: She was like, well, I can't get a hold of him. Well,
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: Chad ended up not going into work that day because
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: of the best mess that had transpired, so and they
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: couldn't get a hold of Cody. Still, we tried calling
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: his friend. Who is that his best friend, the Wagner boy.
• 8:52
  Speaker 4: I guess, so.
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: Josh Wagner that's who it is. That's like his, like
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: I guess, long time childhood best friend and that he
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: was really close with. So we tried getting up with him.
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: We also got up with and said that he hadn't
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: seen him at all either or heard from him, so, which, yeah,
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: this was Saturday. What.
• 9:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm having.
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: A big reaction to that because it's not aligning with
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: kind of what so let me just clarify pulled you
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: guys on Saturday. That correct, he had had no contact
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: with Cody.
• 9:38
  Speaker 4: Yes, that was about Saturday morning. It was before noon
• 9:41
  Speaker 4: for sure.
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: Because everyone's kind of sort of doing their due diligence
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: to try to figure out what's going on. So we're
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: just sort of for his landscaping company, surveying company.
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: Was he technically still working there at this point or
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: was he He was.
• 9:59
  Speaker 4: Okay, so are brothers.
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: Yep. And they had worked together as well, well, I
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: had Well, he didn't show up for work for like.
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: A week, yeah, and then showed up and he boss
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: told him to leave.
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, basically he got fired. Well then like I'm not
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: going to continue to work this job without him, and
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: you know he ended up, you know, still coming, but
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: you know, he.
• 10:24
  Speaker 4: Freaked out, flipped out.
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: And then after the whole everything that went over the weekend,
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: like into Saturday and then Sunday, and then the police
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: got called and all that stuff, and Michelle ended up
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: getting in contact with She says she saw them at
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: the gas station and asked if they had her from Cody,
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: and I guess one of them said no, but then
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: there was a girlfriend in the back who said yes.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: So it was just really confusing information. And I guess
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: Griz the boss man on Sunday when they all had
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: to meet up there at the shop because the police
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: had been called at this point because the truck had
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: been missing. Now, I guess Cad said that they had
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: been in contact with him, so they lied. Well, I
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: guess Grizz fired for lying because he was had seen
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: Cody and like knew at this point where that he
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: had taken the truck. Like it was just it's just
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: a whole mess, and a lot of this information is
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: not out for anybody to really know. And I think
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: this just everything is just swept under the rug, like
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of the I feel are important details. Pretty
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: much most of what is out there is that he
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: is a criminal. I mean, at one point they released
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: an article saying that not to approach him because he
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: was dangerous.
• 11:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, if anybody.
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: Truly knew Cody like he he is not a dangerous person.
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: Like it just it blew my mind all the things
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: that we have seen and read about him and what
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: they're posting. And then after that it just kind of
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: faded away. And I don't know what they're still doing
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: because they haven't really released any more information that I
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: am aware of. But I mean, it's been so long
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: and there's nothing new. It's just it's a whole it's
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: a mess. It's just a mess.
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: Here's what I'm gathering from that that this lines up
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: with the Saturday and Yes shop getting broken into apparently
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: and Cody's phone in enough some clothes, Yes we're there,
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: and everything was all.
• 12:43
  Speaker 4: I think everything was.
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: In the Yeah, okay, And it doesn't make sense why
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: the shop would have been broken into because Cody had
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: a key.
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: And I had. The truck that went missing is not
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: the truck that he borrowed exactly. The truck that went
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: missing is a different truck. Are one truck and you're
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: supposed to return come back to work Saturday. Well that
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: that truck was back. It was a whole different truck
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: that was tooken.
• 13:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've actually a theory on how that happened, but
• 13:12
  Speaker 5: not something I'm ready to broadcast yet.
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: I don't even think I know that theory yet.
• 13:17
  Speaker 5: I've been working on this, so.
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: Kind of keep telling you. I think you said something
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: really powerful. And what you said was there are a
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: lot of things that have been swept under the rug
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: or aren't out there because there's this perception of Cody
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: that you know is just a part of him rather
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: than him as the whole person. So tell us more
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: about what you think isn't out there. What do people
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: need to know?
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: So Cody had gotten into some trouble at some point.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: This was before he was like he was when Chat
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: and him work together. He had been doing really good
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: at this point, you know, like he wanted to better
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: his life, be more involved with his son, you know,
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: work toward a brighter future. Now, before all that, he
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: got into a little bit of trouble, and I think
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: when all this stuff had come out, they really took
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: that and ran with it.
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: I know that.
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: One point I had been told that he had worked
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: for the police department, and like, I don't know if
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: it was blunt'stown, Panama, I mean, I don't know, but
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: he worked for some sort of police department. So I
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: feel like that had a play in why people want
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: believing some things that were said. Or I had even tried,
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: like talking with some of the deputies around town, and
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: you know, they could give the me very little information
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: because I worked at the gas station I managed there,
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: and the deputies would come in all the time and
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, hey, you know, what's the updates?
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: Have we heard any updates?
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: And very limited information for sure. I will also say
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: that there is one thing that strikes me as really odd.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: So when his truck or the work truck that's not
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: the one he was allowed to borrow, but the one
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: that had actually went missing like the next day or whatever,
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: the one that was found in the woods off of
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: like but one oh nine or whatever that road is
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: down there. They said that they took the dogs out
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: there and to try and pick up on scent, and
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: they couldn't pick up on anything out there from what
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: I understood, And it's just crazy to me because if
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: your dogs are as good as you say they are,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: then why didn't they pick up on anything out there?
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: They should have picked up on something if he was
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: in that truck.
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting. We were told a slightly different story
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: but still very strange as well, that they the dogs
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: picked up on Cody sent in the truck, but not.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: Outside of the truck exactly.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: To me, I'm like, that possible.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: He had to Yeah, unless he was never in that truck.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: That was my theory behind that, that his scent was
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: in it, because he's probably actually used that work truck before,
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: we used multiple trucks.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: It's just I mean, I'm no investigator, but sometimes I
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: feel like I should have, you know, chose a different
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: career path.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: It's funny, that's been kind of our life since we
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: started this podcast, because it started out as an interesting hobby.
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: Then it's awesome. Now we do this every week, sometimes
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: multiple times during the week.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: So I'll just talk a little bit about kind of
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: where I am sitting with this right now, and maybe
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: you can all respond to that. Like, I don't have
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: really any hard evidence to prove that this story that
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: we're being told from whatever happened starting let's say Saturday
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: morning until Tuesday, is like accurate, right, I mean, we
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: do know that there is some sort of footage from
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: a Dollar General where we do see Cody.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I was told that by one of the deputies that
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: at some point, I can't remember if it was I
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: think I was told days before he had supposedly went
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: missing or went on the run or whatever they're trying
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: to say he did, that he had purchased like a
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: new phone. I also was told by one of the deputies.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Mind you, this deputy no longer works in Liberty County,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: so I'm not quite sure how true or you know,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: valuable this information is. But they said that they could
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: not pick up anything on any of the cameras except
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: for the subway camera. The camera at the subway, they
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: saw one of the trucks. I can't remember if it
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: was truck or the work truck, but they saw all
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: the boys in it together, Cody. They had drove like
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: by the subway and it had picked up on one
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: of the subway cameras.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Do you remember them saying like a date or time
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: on that at all.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: I think it might have been Saturday, but I truly
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: cannot remember because it was so long ago. I'm sure
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: if I could go back in my messages, cause I
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: have this group chat with a couple of girls, my friends,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: and we're like FBI engines up in there, like we
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: we were on this whole kick for weeks, just like
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: well what if this happened, or what if this happened?
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Well this is what I heard.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Well this is what we heard, like just back and
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: forth and back and forth. So I'm sure I could
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: like remember some you know, crazy things in there if.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: I went back.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when we talked to she'll say something and you'll
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: hear it. She says, oh, at one thirty two, they
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: said blah blah, blah blah, like she is keeping all
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the receipts this call. She has gotten rid of anything.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: We also heard something about a picture of a truck
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: coming across the bridge from Calhoun County, but we don't
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: know the date we don't know the time, we don't
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: know which truck, and we don't know like who was
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: in it, right, But this image of the truck in
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the subway is a new one for us. It's really interesting.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of similarities between Cody's disappearance and
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Ian Rodgers, who's been missing out of Walcola County. We
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: have similar things with trucks being captured on cameras but
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you can't really tell who's in there. We have this
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: similar idea of the Sheriff's office saying, don't approach this person,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: they're dangerous, because they said the same thing about Ian.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: We have them similarly going miss potentially with Cody and
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: definitely with Ian in a work truck.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: And we had two businesses that did not put any
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: kind of GPS trackers on their work trucks.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I just thought of something else
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: that I thought was kind of weird. So Saturday, at
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: some point in the morning, after Grizz which is the
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: boss who owns the surveying place, after you know, they
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: had found out that you know, Cody's all his belongings
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: were left, he had asked Chad if he knew what
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Cody's like pin code was to get into Cody's phone,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: and like, I just find that really weird, because like
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: why do you need that?
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: And as it turns out, if I'm getting it correctly,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: this was actually Selena's phone. Yes, right, she tells us
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: how she I think took the SIM card. I don't
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: really understand how the phones work, but he was in
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the process of getting a new phone or something like that. Yes,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and she went up there and she got her hands
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: on that phone, but then I think it ended up
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: getting turned over.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: To the to the show's house.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: But she did have it for a short time, and
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of course was looking to see what was on that phone.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah too.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we ever got into it, because
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I remember we were trying to figure out like how
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: to get into it, and you know, I literally we
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: could not figure out what the pin was. I remember
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: a deputy saying they couldn't get into the phone because
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: they had to figure out how to get somebody that
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: could like tap into it because they didn't have the
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: pin for it.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: I literally remember somebody saying that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: It was his lunch number from school, so I literally
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: called up to the school. I don't know if I
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: should even put this on here. But I called up
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: to the school and I'm not going to say any
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: names because I don't want to get anybody in trouble.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: But I had them look into file and find out
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: what Cody's lunch number was, and I gave that information
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: to Michelle to give to the police so that they
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: were able to get into the phone. So I don't
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: know if they ever did.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Then did they tell you what they found? Did you never.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Got no information.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I even told one of the deputies that I had
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: like given that information to Michelle and that she says
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: she was going to take it to the police, and
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: he couldn't give me any information.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: So he just looked at me that was like, what
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: do you guys think?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: What do you think happened? You know, let's say, let's
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: just start with Saturday morning, Like, I know you've kicked
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: these ideas around, talked with your your girlfriends. What's your suspicions?
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I think after all this time has passed by and
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: just like the chain of events that happened. So right
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: after all this happened, ended up in jail for possession
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: of drugs, left the state and moved to Georgia.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: And I find that very odd, Yes, I do.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: So there was a post on the Panhandle Sip and Chat,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: which is a group that this local, miss Kaira, she
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: had created and there's like like thousands of people in
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: surrounding counties in this group and it's called the Panhandle
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Sip and Chat. And somebody had posted about if there
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: was any more information on Cody because they hadn't heard
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: anything for a while, and I had put a comment
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: on there about and I guess he had saw the
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: comment because he called Chad shortly after that later on
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: that day and was freaking out, asking Chad why I
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: was posting all this stuff with his name in there
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: and all this, And to me, I just thought that,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: you know, if you had nothing to worry about, then
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: why are you freaking out? And so I think sent
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: are liars. Ye, straight up, I think that they had
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: something to do with this, and it's just a yeah,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: they had supposedly gotten to an altercation that day, and
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: can somebody say something about Kody like backed into their
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: truck or something like that, and I think it just
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: got maybe taken too far or they set him up.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I truly don't know like what exactly happened, but I
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: do think that they are behind this and the truth
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: will come out eventually, just for like peace of mind,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: for his family's sake, you know, like he has siblings
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: and he has a son, and you know, I think
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: that they truly had something to do with him going missing,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: whether whether he's alive or not, you know, like who knows,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: but who's who goes missing for this long? And I
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: know for a fact he would have some way contacted
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: his mom for sure, know that, and just the fact
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: that he has not is just very alarming. But I
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: truly think that then definitely definitely had something to do
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: with all of this, and they're not speaking on it.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: And if it was one of them, I'm sure their
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: family would like to know, you know, if the roles
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: were reversed.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: And do you feel like there are leads or rumors
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: that you have heard about that have not been fully investigated.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sure that there is. What was that thing
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that somebody had said something not long ago, It was
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: a few months ago, if I heard it at the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: gas station. It was something about saying that.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Like they had.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Somebody had brought up some sort of information about how
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: they had something went wrong and they had killed Cody
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: and buried him, and then they planted the truck somewhere
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: and then moved his body. They planted the truck down
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: there at like one oh nine so that they could
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: move his body elsewhere, like as a as a setup
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: or something like that. And like, I mean, it's just
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the rumor mill, you know, like it's going to continue
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: and you know, until we get some information answers.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: But I mean, who knows what's true.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: I mean literally, there's free sights to every story. You know,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: his hers, theirs and you know whatever and the true side.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: So I mean, I don't know if we'll ever know.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: I hope we do, and I hope we.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Find out more information or you know, peace of mind,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: just anything, any any kind of information, just this sliver
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: would be you know, helpful for his Cody's family. I mean,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: it's it's I can't imagine, like one my kids go missing,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Like I have three kids of my own, and I
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: just could not imagine that.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: What do you think is, well, let's walk down the
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: path of these two guys have something to do with it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: What are the pieces that are missing? What do you
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: think the Liberty County Sheriff's Office might need to be
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: able to.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: I think they're biased.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I think that they you know, I heard that failed
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: a light detect or polygraph whatever you call those. I
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: feel like that right there, Like what were the questions
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: that were asked? You know that like caused them to
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: fail it? You know, were they important questions?
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Was it vital information or was it just stupid questions?
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Like I mean, I don't know, because there's just, like
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I said, there has not been very much information surface
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: and the things that we do know any anything that
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: you look up is oh, well he's a he's a fugitive,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: he's wanted for this, he's wanted for that. Well what
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: about you know, like all this shady stuff that happened
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: that weekend, Like why how come that's not like you got,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: like me, all the things that I've heard, the things
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: that I you know, know because of you know, what
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I've seen, or the things that I've heard when on
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Chad's phone calls with the boss man or you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: he worked directly at that office or at.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: That shop, so he knew a lot of information.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: You know. When the truck was found, one of the
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: other guys that worked there called Chatt and was like hey, yo,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Like they found the truck and Chad was like, no way.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: And we saw the truck and what it looked like,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: and it just I mean it was it was beat up,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: but it didn't look like I mean, it looked like
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: it was intentionally beat up.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: I guess. I mean, I don't know.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I just I have my suspicions of my own opinions.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I think that the police department could do better, but
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I think that they are so wrapped up in catching
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: all these people for doing drugs around here that they
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: are missing out on important cases like this, any any
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: important case. I mean, there's been multiple missing people around here.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: This lady was found in like the marsh down the
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: river after she had been missing for like what two
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: three weeks? No, No, this was Yes, it was a
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: different lady. She lived right down the road by the
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Bristol Boat landing and a camper down there, and she
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: went missing and then next thing you know, they had
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: found her in the marsh up up the river. And
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: then there's Lacey Ammons that was you know, found in
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: a ditch in Hosford. And then there was a per
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: La Alvare that was found over there in once Town.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Uh in her truck that was sunk in water. She
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: was found like floating in the car. Her truck was
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: supposedly put in park. They think that she had ran
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: through this gate. Like it's just I mean, and nobody.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: We don't know any more information on that case either,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Like so much stuff has happened. Somebody's tesla was found
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: in a freaking hunt and lease down Turkey Creek Road
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: with nobody in it, and the man that had it
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: is missing. Still never found him, no more information on
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: that case, Like they don't care about anything other than
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: people doing drugs around here.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I feel that's the guy from Louisiana, right, the tesla. Yes,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing all these kinds of things. Yeah, and it's good, right,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Like this is what we want to know. We want
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: to hear what's going on in our neighboring counties and
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: maybe put our heads together and see if we can
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: make some hadwagh on some of these things. I think
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: is great is the idea.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: All this stuff will make you not want to move
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: to Bristol.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: We're just about to head back to Crawfordville, so metwhere
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: it's everywhere.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I know. It's just because it's a small town, so
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: it's it's close to home. It's close to everybody because
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: everybody knows everybody and everybody's.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Family around it.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: So you know, m hmm, that happened to us. The
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: first case that we covered is the Jody Kilgore un
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: soft homicide in Wilcolla County, and that's Michael's uncle. And
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: we would be talking to people I know about the
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: next case, which was Ian Rodgers, and then someone would
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: go hold on before you guys, hang up. We want
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: to tell you what we know about Jody Kilgore because
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I know, you know his mom cut my hair or whatever, right,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: And I'm I'm from a big metro area. I'm from
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the Denver area, and so this is just wild to me,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Like somebody will just grab the phone from sitting. Oh
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: wait wait, we want to tell you about this because
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: we babysat.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: So and so, Yes, dog groomers whatever. You know, it's
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: really crazy not to me, Like it seems so strange
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: to me that when you have these tight knit communities
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: and people know what's going on, why aren't we solving
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: these things right?
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Like why does it take so long to find Ian
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Rodgers truck? Why do we not know where he is?
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Why do we not know where Cody is? Why do
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: we not know who who killed Jody Kilgore? Like people
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: talk all the time, So what's.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: Mismitally and what's crazy is you know, we've broadcast quite
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: a bit on a lot of these different, you know cases,
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: but it would be shocking for you guys to know
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: how much people tell us that we never record. Yeah,
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: and that's that's super common and so yeah, but it
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: goes right back to what Alisa is saying. The information's
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: right there. What are we waiting on?
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Literally, like you can't tell me that, Like, after all
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: this time, nobody knows anything like it.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: M h.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: I just don't believe it. I just don't believe.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: It, particularly with what we're supposed to believe is one
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: of the last people to see him is currently incarcerated.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: So this person is easy to access, don't We don't
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: need to figure out where they are. We know where
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: he is, so let's ask him. I'm gonna need to
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: do my little investigation. This is easy to actually find out.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: You just have to go to clerk or the courts
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and you can literally grow Jinny, Florida.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: I live on that website.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they'll tell you, like, you know, who's incarcerated,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: where when is their release date? So I mean I
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: can definitely, I can definitely check that out because that
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: is of concern to me. If he's no longer incarcerated
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: and has been released from there, but is probably someone
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: who knows a lot about this information, he's just going
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: to to just walk away and probably make.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: States literally honestly, I mean I literally like I was
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: looking for them one time, like me and.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Was it me and Kelly?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: I think it was me and my sister in law.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: We literally like drove around and we were like looking
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: for their vehicles, like We're like, where do they live?
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Like something suspicious, Like I want to see if he
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: even did back in because they said that Cody was
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: in the work truck and like they got into an
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: altercation at the job what Saturday morning or Sunday or
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: whatever the day that Cody took the truck or whatever
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: because Cody had like backed into.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: So we were like, Okay, well let's see this truck.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: So we literally got in our carme.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: We don't know where these boys live, but I mean
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Bristol on one sounds small enough.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: We'll figure it out.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: We were literally driving roads like trying to see like, Okay,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: this is what truck he supposedly has. I've seen it
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: at the job.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Let's go see if we can find it.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Driving just down all these roads trying to see if
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: we can find it, googling like their names to see
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: who they're related to, to see like the parcels, to
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: see who lives where at what address.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you we do all that.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a ben verified account, and then we
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: have a very close friend who is in the real
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: estate business, and we'll just be like hey, and then
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: we can get Yeah, we're doing similar. Yes, I think
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: it seems like to talk more about you're the first
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: people who have said anything about some potential crash, not
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: crashing of the truck, but backing up of the truck.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Can you tell us more about what you've heard?
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: So, I don't know how did that part even come up,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: because I truly don't remember.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure either.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I just somebody had said something, was it?
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Somebody had said something.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to google it on my phone to see
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: if I can find it. Something about an altercation, and
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure. Some I don't know if it was
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: because they back he back supposedly backed into his truck,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: or if he like they got into the altercation and
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: then he like tried to like speed up out of
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: there and hit his truck and like fled and that's
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: like what they were saying. I can't truly remember, but
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's in these messages.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Carl, Can you tell us if Cody hung out with
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: these guys a lot, or if it was unusual for
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: him to spend what feels like to be an extended
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: amount of time with them, it.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Was new, like because they started working with us later on,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: so it was new that he was hanging out with them.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: That was like the first time.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the sense we get as well. To me,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: this feels like super obvious unless we're using something like
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: that just hasn't been brought to us, you know, when
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: we have talked about some of our other cases, like
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: particularly with Ian, where there were several different directions we
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: were thinking about, and in this one, I mean, I mean,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: this is a pretty clear direction for me as well.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: So one of the things We've done this already, but
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: we haven't gotten a response back yet. But we're already
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: reaching out to law enforcement. And one of the things
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: we're doing is we're putting all this together and compiling
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: all the information what's similar, and we're gonna send it
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: to them and say, Okay, what's going on and what
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: needs to be communicating out with the family. And so
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: what we've learned through this journey we've taken, you know,
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: even just creating a podcast is you know, putting pressure
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: on law enforcement is something that does first of all,
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: does work, but you have to be very consistent about it.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: You have to do it all the time.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: You cannot let up.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Even some of the you know, various experts we've had
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: on the show have indicated the same idea. They're like,
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: just stay on it and don't don't let them. Don't
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: let their apathy get you to go away, because what happened.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: It's like I said, we've been pretty consistent with this
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: now is we've been able to get these cases elevated
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: even to the national level. And that's great, and so
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: that's what we intend to do with this one.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: So one last thing I did, for sure want to
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: mention about, like the deputies, just like in the investigation,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: just how they went about doing all this. I find
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: it very weird that in the midst of all this,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: you know, supposedly for at least Saturday and Sunday, until
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: finally fested up to saying that they had been around Cody.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I will say that the police never once, you know,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: questioned Chad about you know, like how Cody was or
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: when he last saw him, or he was one of
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: the last people as well to have seen Cody, Like
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: they worked together Friday and then Chad went home and
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Cody had supposedly went home or whatever he wherever he
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: truly went, and.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: He was.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: They never questioned Chad. Chad don't think ever got brought
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: up like I mean, I don't know if that could
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: have been, you know, he could have given any information,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: but I mean, I they didn't put the effort in
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: exactly I would have, you know, been contacting anybody that
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: had been seen with him or had been around him
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: in the last like however many days, forty eight hours,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: the first forty eight you know what I'm saying, Like,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: and I just think it's crazy. Yes, I just think
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: it's crazy they did at all.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, we see something similar again with Ian and Willcolla
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: County that the person that he his girlfriend at the
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: time that he went missing, me he's actually living with,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: is not someone that the we'll call a county sheriff's
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: office spoke with at least initially. In fact, from what
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I remember her saying, they never actually even went to
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: her house to like to like see where he was living,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: and there's some sort of belief that he was in
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: his work truck in the driveway. They never went and
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: talked to the people who were at the house that
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: day that Ian went missing to find out if that
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: was accurate.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Like then, And I mean maybe that's just I mean,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: who knows if it's like missed information, But I mean,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: you never know until you talk to that person. There
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: could have been some sort of missed information, and you know,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: you just never know.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: But who who knows. I'm no investigator.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I'm actually thinking about getting my private investigator license. I
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: don't really know what it takes. I think I can
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: just you know, I'm sure there's some what do you like,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: you know, buy a diploma thing right something like that.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: Well, I would say that's pretty far from the truth,
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: but that's not what this episode's about, all right.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: As we kind of wrap anything else that you wanted
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: to talk about, that you know, has maybe come to
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: you while we've been talking now, just any like you
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: had said earlier, any sliver of information could be the
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: information that is.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Needed exactly in this moment. I can't think of.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Anything that I haven't already said, but I'm sure that
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I will think of something after we get off this
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: podcast of like, oh my.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: Gosh, I didn't mention this. I should have mentioned that.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: I know it'll happen, just even if it's just.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Things that like I thought of back then a year
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: half ago when all this was going on. You know,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: it was just so much crazy stuff going on in
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: that whole moment, like for just weeks and then it
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: kind of just like dissipated and that was it, Like
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: and then, I mean, you haven't heard any other information, right, hope?
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Yea, I mean either.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: You've been listening to Tragedy a true crime podcast. Our
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: purpose is to honor victims by sharing their stories through
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: the voices of friends, family, and those whose lives were
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: forever changed. If today's episode resonated with you, we encourage
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: you to subscribe, leave a review, and share the podcast
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: so these important stories continue to be heard. Together, we
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: can preserve their memories and ensure their voices are never forgotten.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: If you have ideas for cases we should cover, or
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: questions about what you heard, you can connect with us
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: through our Facebook group Tragedy a True Crime Podcast on
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: x at Tragedy Podcast, by email at Tragedy a True
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Crime Podcast at gmail dot com, or by visiting our
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: web site www dot Tragedy at true Crime podcast dot com.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, and we hope you'll join us
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: next time