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The Intel With Greg Cosell: Breaking Down Riq Woolen's Fit In Eagles Scheme, NFL Free Agents On Defense · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome back to another season of The Intel with
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Speaker 1: Greg Cosell.
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Speaker 2: I'm Jeff Mosher with Adam Kaplan, and of course with
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Speaker 2: us we have Greg Cosell, and we are about to
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Speaker 2: start about six to seven weeks of breakdowns. We're gonna
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Speaker 2: start with NFL free agency and these few podcasts, and
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Speaker 2: then we'll go straight to NFL Draft prospect breakdowns with Greg,
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Speaker 2: as we do every year. Now, Greg, you don't know this.
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Speaker 1: We almost traded you to another podcast platform for two
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Speaker 1: really nice microphones, but apparently something didn't check out, and
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Speaker 1: you're back with us.
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Speaker 3: So you know, I'm going to the gym and my
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Speaker 3: knee's been bothering me the last couple of times, so
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Speaker 3: I didn't know by past the physical to join you
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Speaker 3: guys today.
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Speaker 2: Well, we're glad to have you back because you're invaluable.
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Speaker 2: We shouldn't have traded you in the first place.
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Speaker 4: No good stuff.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's been a really crazy free agent period,
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Speaker 2: not so.
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Speaker 1: Much for the E that we'll get into, but for
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Speaker 1: the NFL, and of course the Max Crosby thing threw.
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Speaker 2: A whole monkey wrench into that.
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Speaker 1: But we wanted to go and start with you getting
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Speaker 1: your breakdowns on things that happen on defense right first,
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Speaker 1: because that really impacted the Eagles. They obviously lost Jalen
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Speaker 1: Phillips to the Carolina Panthers. They added a cornerback that
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Speaker 1: will ask you about as well, but let's start with Phillips.
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Speaker 1: He is gonna, you know, second straight year the Eagles
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Speaker 1: lose their one of their top defensive guys to another team, to.
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Speaker 5: An enormous contract.
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Speaker 1: Knowing what the Panthers do, right and knowing what Jalen
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Speaker 1: Phillips is, how does he fit that scheme and what
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Speaker 1: will the Eagles be missing?
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, Jalen Phillips at his best is a
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Speaker 3: really good four to three defensive end. And that's what
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Speaker 3: Caroline is because you know, their defensive coordinator is is
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Speaker 3: still ever O, who's basically somewhat of a Vic fan
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Speaker 3: Joe Disciple. So ultimately, what they want to do is
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Speaker 3: play with four down lineman and rush with four if
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Speaker 3: they can. And now they actually have a pretty good
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Speaker 3: D line when you look at it. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 3: adding Phillips, you know, it's gonna be really interesting what
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Speaker 3: they do up front. But they have Phillips now. They
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Speaker 3: obviously added Devin Lloyd as well. The linebacker position was
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Speaker 3: probably their weakness. A year ago. Trevin Wallace was playing
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Speaker 3: pretty well and then he got hurt, and then they
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Speaker 3: were playing with Rose Boom with Cherylis. So now they
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Speaker 3: have Lloyd and assuming Wallace will be back, they have
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Speaker 3: the second year player Scouron who started to come on.
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Speaker 3: Who's an edge player, So they'll have Phillips and Scouron
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Speaker 3: on the edge. This is actually a really good defensive
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Speaker 3: front now. But for the Eagles, if you just look
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Speaker 3: at it from their perspective, we know what Vic Fangiel
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Speaker 3: wants to do. We wants to rush for and play
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Speaker 3: with seven on the back end. Right now, they do
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Speaker 3: not really have anybody on the edge. I spoke with
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Speaker 3: an Eagles coach at the combine who basically told me that,
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Speaker 3: uh that Jylex hunt and and Nolan Smith are nice players,
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Speaker 3: but they're not those guys. So you know, the Eagles
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Speaker 3: at this point, but the coaching staff does not believe
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Speaker 3: that they have an age player that is a factor.
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Speaker 4: They're not a dominant factor, and that's what they need.
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Speaker 4: You need at least every team needs at least one
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Speaker 4: guy who they know they could rely on. Who's gonna
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Speaker 4: be a factor down and down out.
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Speaker 5: But yeah, a two way guy right at him.
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Speaker 1: I mean, someone who's gonna The thing about Jalen was
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Speaker 1: that he was equally good against the run as Yeah
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Speaker 1: he's yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah he he he had because I know the Panthers
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Speaker 4: and and you know, they outbid the Eagles. They went
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Speaker 4: way above what they probably thought they were gonna have
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Speaker 4: to pay. But they think he's a complete player and
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Speaker 4: that's that's that's something that Carolina needs.
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Speaker 3: He is at his best. He is at his best,
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Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, it's funny how the game there's very
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Speaker 3: few guys now and we'll get into this in the
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Speaker 3: draft because there are a couple in the draft, but
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Speaker 3: there's very few you know, sort of six five, two
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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty five seventy pounds deepfensive ends because the
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Speaker 3: game has kind of changed. Yeah, you know, now a
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Speaker 3: lot more teams play with that five to two front
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Speaker 3: where you don't really where your edge player can be
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Speaker 3: two forty five, you know, I mean just look at
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Speaker 3: what the Broncos do. Who' led the league in sacks
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Speaker 3: the last two years with Cooper and Benito. You know,
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Speaker 3: guys who are not two seventy two seventy five. You know,
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Speaker 3: so Phillips is I don't want to say he's a
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Speaker 3: rare breed, but I mean there's not a lot of
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Speaker 3: those guys in the NFL now that are six five
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Speaker 3: two sixty five, two seventy and particularly if you want
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Speaker 3: to play a true four man front and not have
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Speaker 3: to blitz, you know, those guys become really really important.
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Speaker 4: So Greg's staying on the edge, right, and you're talking
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Speaker 4: about guys with size.
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Speaker 3: I live on the edge, Adam, I live on the edge.
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Speaker 4: I you, well, the Bengals, look, they spend some money.
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Speaker 4: They need to spend money. Boy, Mafey goes there. What
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Speaker 4: are your thoughts of mafe with the Bengals here?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think you know, look what free
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Speaker 3: agency is is you're trying to prove your team, Okay,
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Speaker 3: and I hope people understand that. Forget about the money.
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Speaker 3: People say, well, it's a guy worth it. That is
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Speaker 3: totally an irrelevant statement because the salary cap goes up.
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Speaker 3: You either want a player or you don't want a player.
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Speaker 3: So if you want the player, this is what you
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Speaker 3: gotta pay. So the money, the money doesn't matter, you know,
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Speaker 3: because if you don't get the player. If you live
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Speaker 3: in Cincinnati and you know their defense hasn't been good
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Speaker 3: and they don't get players, what are fans say, Oh
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Speaker 3: my god, they didn't do anything to get players, So
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Speaker 3: then they can't You can't go ahead and get players
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Speaker 3: and then say they spend too much money. You know,
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Speaker 3: that's the cost to get the player. So you know,
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Speaker 3: my point is is that the reason I mentioned that
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Speaker 3: with my Fey is because he's a nice player. He's
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Speaker 3: not a star. But the point is is they don't
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Speaker 3: They didn't have anybody. Well, I will say this, Miles
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Speaker 3: Murphy did come on a bit last year toward the
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Speaker 3: second half of the season. They really have no idea
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Speaker 3: what they have with Shamar Stewart, who was their first
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Speaker 3: round pick in twenty twenty five, because he was hurt
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Speaker 3: a lot, so they don't really know. So they really
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Speaker 3: needed to get an edge player that at least has
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Speaker 3: experience and meaningful production in the NFL. So while Mafe
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Speaker 3: is not never going to be talked about, you know,
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Speaker 3: as a top five or six edged player in the
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Speaker 3: league right now, he is a clear upgrade for the Bengals,
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Speaker 3: and that's what they were looking to do to upgrade
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Speaker 3: a position that is a clear need because they're not
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Speaker 3: going to have Trey hendrickson right.
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Speaker 5: And then they also lost I believe Osiah Joseph.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, who is Yeeff? Who? I mean? I don't think
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Speaker 3: from from speaking to some people at the combine, I
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Speaker 3: don't think they view that as a major loss. But
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Speaker 3: the point is you still need to line up with people. See,
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Speaker 3: that's the thing sometimes I think fans forget, is you
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Speaker 3: still need to line up with people. So you've got
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Speaker 3: to You've got to put someone out there. And they're
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Speaker 3: not all going to be Miles Garrett. You know, You've
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Speaker 3: got to put people out there, right.
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Speaker 4: You know what's interesting, Jeff with Osaia Josah is going
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Speaker 4: to start for the Jets, Like he went from being
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Speaker 4: a third edge right and good backup to now he's
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Speaker 4: going to make over eleven million. Contracts always tell you
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Speaker 4: the roles. It's usually pretty self explanatory. So yeah, uh,
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Speaker 4: Mafay's is an upside guy explosive. But I found it
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Speaker 4: interesting that the Seahawks didn't extend his contract.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, that's interesting.
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Speaker 1: Now they did have to get they got to give
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Speaker 1: money to Witherspoon, they got to give money to.
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Speaker 5: Jackson Smith and Jigba.
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Speaker 1: They'll probably have to do something with sam Donold's contract now.
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Speaker 3: That that's good. A factor too is you know, teams
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Speaker 3: look ahead to see what's upcoming. I mean, there's no
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Speaker 3: question Smith and Jigba is going to be the highest
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Speaker 3: paid receiver in the league. When when you know, so
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Speaker 3: you know they know what's up, what's coming. And and
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Speaker 3: also when you have a defensive head coach and Mike McDonald,
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Speaker 3: who obviously is very very good, I'm sure he believes,
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Speaker 3: as he should, that he can scheme up some things
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Speaker 3: and that, Yeah, does he want a great edge rusher,
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Speaker 3: of course people always want that, but I'm sure he
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Speaker 3: believes that he can do some scheming and that he
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Speaker 3: doesn't need to have he doesn't need to pay Mafey
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Speaker 3: you know, X amount of dollars because he probably feels
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Speaker 3: he can get another Mafay. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Also a very strong, stronger than an average draft I
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Speaker 5: believe this year for the edge rushers, So those should
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Speaker 5: probably be some good ones.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty good in that, you know, And we'll
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Speaker 3: start talking about the draft, you know, next week. But
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Speaker 3: you know, one thing I'm really coming to believe as
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Speaker 3: I watch, you know, I've been grinding watching players and
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Speaker 3: there's just too many. I'm doing the best I can,
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Speaker 3: but you know, because you know, I will not take
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Speaker 3: any shortcuts when I do this. But is so much
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Speaker 3: as I had great conversations with the Combine, and so
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Speaker 3: much is dependent upon team and scheme, you know, because
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Speaker 3: you know it's like receiver. This year, there's no Jamar
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Speaker 3: Chase in this draft, but three or four receivers will
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Speaker 3: be drafted in the first round and maybe five, So
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Speaker 3: their first round players, you know, but they're not Jamar Chase.
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Speaker 3: They're not justin Jefferson. They're not at that level of
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Speaker 3: prospect or player. But so much then depends on where
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Speaker 3: they go and how they're deployed, you know, and and
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Speaker 3: and they could you know, some of these guys could
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Speaker 3: go somewhere and catch eighty five and people say, wow,
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Speaker 3: he's a great player. You know, that's that's the way
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Speaker 3: so much of this works. But when you evaluate a player,
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Speaker 3: you're evaluating him, you know, more as trades and attributes
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Speaker 3: as opposed to, well, if he goes to the Rams,
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Speaker 3: he'll catch ninety balls. You know, you're not thinking that
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Speaker 3: way when you evaluate them great.
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Speaker 5: Let's let's stay within the division on edge.
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Speaker 1: As I brought up, both the Cowboys and the Commanders
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Speaker 1: made him move. The Cowboys trade for Rashawn Gary. I
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Speaker 1: believe they give up a fourth round pick. I thought
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Speaker 1: that was a little pricey, but he's a he's a
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Speaker 1: proven pass rusher in this league. And then the Commanders
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Speaker 1: pay a pretty fine price there for odafe Oway, who
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Speaker 1: struggled earlier in his career and really seem to come
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Speaker 1: come along the last year year or two. So let's
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Speaker 1: let's talk about both of those, yeah, additions, and which
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Speaker 1: one you think is more impactful.
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Speaker 3: And well, the Cowboys obviously needed an age player, so again,
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Speaker 3: you know, you made the point that there are some
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Speaker 3: some edge players in this draft, but they're not likely
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Speaker 3: to get someone as good as Gary in the fourth round.
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Speaker 3: You know, again, I don't work for a team, and
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Speaker 3: I know teams hoard their draft picks. That's sort of
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Speaker 3: the unwritten code in the NFL that draft picks. You know,
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Speaker 3: it's like gold, you know, but they're not going to
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Speaker 3: get a player as good as Gary in the fourth round.
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Speaker 3: So he's a quality NFL defensive end and a quality
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Speaker 3: pass rusher. And they needed that, so you can argue
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Speaker 3: it's a good trade. You know, it's a position of
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Speaker 3: need and they're not going to get that guy in
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Speaker 3: the draft in the fourth round, so it's a good
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Speaker 3: move for the Cowboys. Oway is a really interesting player
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Speaker 3: because as you know, you know, he's a Penn State guy,
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Speaker 3: as you well know Jeff who did not have a
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Speaker 3: lot of production either in college or his first few
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Speaker 3: years in the league, and it didn't match his trades,
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Speaker 3: which are off the charts as far as pure athleticism
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Speaker 3: as you know, I mean, this guy's kind of an
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Speaker 3: athletic freak. But then all of a sudden last year
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Speaker 3: it started to come together and I believe he had
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Speaker 3: double digit sacks last year with the Chargers. So you know,
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Speaker 3: you're dealing with a guy that, in an ideal world,
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Speaker 3: if he continues to get better, you're dealing with a
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Speaker 3: guy that is a really strong edge pass rusher. I mean,
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Speaker 3: the traits suggests that he could be a thirteen fourteen
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Speaker 3: to fifteen SAC guy. I mean, those are the kinds
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Speaker 3: of traits that he has, so you know, and I'm
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Speaker 3: sure the Commanders are looking at him and thinking, well,
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Speaker 3: that's the trend for him. You know, he's not an
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Speaker 3: old player, so you know, you know, they also just
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Speaker 3: sign Leo Chanal, who's a really intriguing player because he
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Speaker 3: can do a lot of different things for you. He
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Speaker 3: can line up on the ball, he can line up
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Speaker 3: off the ball. At Wisconsin, he was used primarily as
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Speaker 3: a pass rusher, so he can rush the quarterback, but
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Speaker 3: the Chiefs used him in multiple ways. He also could
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Speaker 3: could defend playing his own coverage. He's one of those,
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Speaker 3: you know, to use the cliched term now that's out there,
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Speaker 3: one of those positionless type players that defenses have now become.
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Speaker 3: You know, they're using and deploying more and more in
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Speaker 3: different ways. But way, you know, if the trend continues,
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's a pretty interesting player on the edge.
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Speaker 4: Greg want to get back to Rashan Garrett. Did you
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Speaker 4: notice on his tape with Green Bay they line him
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Speaker 4: up in different spots?
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Speaker 3: Uh? Rarely. I mean he wasn't technically a move. He
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Speaker 3: wasn't like he was Micah Parsons. You know, he predominantly
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Speaker 3: played left defensive end. Okay, you know, I don't have
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Speaker 3: the numbers right in front of me, but he was
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Speaker 3: not necessarily a move guy, gotcha, And that was in
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Speaker 3: Jeff Haffleys. See there's another example that's Jeff Haffley's defense.
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Speaker 3: Now he goes to Dallas because he's got that kind
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Speaker 3: of skill set, because he's a good athlete, they could
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Speaker 3: move him around. You know, these are the things we
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Speaker 3: don't know how he'll be deployed in.
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Speaker 4: He's a big dude, like he's got rare side for edge,
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Speaker 4: and he's athletic.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what's really interesting about we're talking about
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Speaker 1: the Commanders and the Cowboys. They both have new defensive
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Speaker 1: coordinators from way different sort of backgrounds in Trees. So
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Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see if Dallas's defense looks a
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Speaker 1: lot like Vic Fangio's Hereladelphia because Christian Parker, and then
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Speaker 1: in Washington you add Oway and you're you're mentioning Greg
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Speaker 1: that the Commanders don't have a ton of like a
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Speaker 1: level pass rushers, but now hire Derante Jones from the
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Speaker 1: Brian Flora school. They do have multiple guys who can
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Speaker 1: like line up all around, like now and Oway and
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Speaker 1: Dietrich Wise and probably you know, uh, Chanelle, like you
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Speaker 1: were mentioning probably kind of confused quarterbacks of what they're
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Speaker 1: going to do schematically.
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Speaker 3: You made, Jeff, you just made a great point because
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Speaker 3: you know the floor is school with Chanelle and Frankie Louvu.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you have two guys that can really do
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Speaker 3: you know, move all around and and sort of fit
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Speaker 3: that that positionless mold that that I assume Jones is
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Speaker 3: probably going to you know, deploy somewhere along the line
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Speaker 3: given his background. So that was a great point that
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Speaker 3: you made because again now it comes down to, you know,
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Speaker 3: the coach how he wants to deploy deploy players. That's
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Speaker 3: why someone like Chanell and again I have no idea
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Speaker 3: what they paid. I don't care. Maybe they paid more
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Speaker 3: than someone else wanted to pay. But he fits that
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Speaker 3: kind of scheme because he's one of those guys that
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Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to sit here and say
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Speaker 3: he's exactly Andrew van Ginkel, but he's kind of in
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Speaker 3: that mold, you know, the way he can be deployed
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Speaker 3: in a defense.
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Speaker 4: Sure interesting, you know, Jeff, this this division now with
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Speaker 4: the coaching changes and schematic change. You look at the
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Speaker 4: Giants by the way, you know they're going to change up.
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Speaker 4: It's kind of it's it's interesting you know, I think
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Speaker 4: this coun look a little different this year.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny we're talking on obviously, you know,
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Speaker 3: early to mid March, and it's a great time of
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Speaker 3: year because of all the signings and and and you know,
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Speaker 3: and obviously the great thing about the NFL is it's
14:45
Speaker 3: it's really twenty four to seven three sixty five because
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Speaker 3: you know, with the combine with free agency, the drafts
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Speaker 3: coming up, then the schedule comes out. I mean, it's
14:53
Speaker 3: it's phenomenal, but it's so hard to know exactly how
14:56
Speaker 3: all this stuff's going to play out. It's just so
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Speaker 3: much fun to talk about it is it is.
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Speaker 1: And you know, sticking with the theme of being in
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Speaker 1: the division, Greg and another new defensive coordinator who also
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Speaker 1: again comes from the Eagles tree. The Giants now have
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Speaker 1: Denard Wilson and they make a big signing of Tremaine Edmunds.
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Speaker 1: We already know the Giants have a very good front
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Speaker 1: four with Burns and Lawrence and Abdul Carter, and now
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Speaker 1: they add Tremaine Edmunds. What did you see from him
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Speaker 1: on tape last year? I know he was banged up
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Speaker 1: a little bit, but can he still play?
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Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you just what the tape showed. Okay,
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Speaker 3: you know that's what I do. Beyond I don't think
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Speaker 3: Tremaine Edmunds is a very good player. And the Bears
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Speaker 3: had no problem letting him go, zero problem letting him go. So,
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Speaker 3: you know, for a guy his size, he's not very physical,
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Speaker 3: he's not very good in his own coverage, he's not
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Speaker 3: a very good blitzer. I think the tape shows that
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Speaker 3: he's not a very good player. Now, you know, again
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Speaker 3: it's a case where they you know, they don't have
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Speaker 3: a Carica anymore. I don't know did he sign anywhere? Yeah,
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Speaker 3: but he obviously he's a free agent right at him.
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Speaker 4: Yeah he was released.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was released. Okay, So I mean they need linebackers,
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Speaker 3: and you know this is what free agency is. You
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Speaker 3: sign guys that are available. But you know, I'm just
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Speaker 3: telling you what the tape shows. I don't think Tremaine
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Speaker 3: Edmunds is a very good player at this point in
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Speaker 3: his career.
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Speaker 4: Greg, there are a bunch of them and this one,
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Speaker 4: and they're paying Trent McDuffie the Rams over thirty mine
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Speaker 4: per season. What are your thoughts of Trent McDuffie Now
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Speaker 4: with the Rams.
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Speaker 3: Well, the Rams decided that they wanted the chief secondary apparently. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's right. Jalen Watson too, Yeah, yeah, I mean those
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Speaker 3: are going to be. You know, there are two, there
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Speaker 3: are two outside corners. I would assume, you know, McDuffie's
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Speaker 3: another one of those guys. He can line up anywhere,
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Speaker 3: you know, inside or outside, and I'm sure in certain
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Speaker 3: packages that's what they'll do. Because Raheem Morris is you know,
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Speaker 3: he he has a lot of background with different kinds
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Speaker 3: of ski teams. So you know, it's it's it's easy
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Speaker 3: I told you about three four years ago that Cam
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Speaker 3: Crow was a good football player.
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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, no, Greg, They've gone from a really shaky
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Speaker 4: quarterback group to now deeper and then you just we
20:22
Speaker 4: just talked about the guys that they've added, Quinton Lake
20:24
Speaker 4: and the way that they move him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is they got a really good defense now,
20:29
Speaker 3: you know, even on the back end, because you know,
20:32
Speaker 3: Curl is a good player, Kitchens is solid. They played
20:35
Speaker 3: I don't know if Marris will play as much dime
20:37
Speaker 3: as Shula did, but Jalen McCullough was a really good
20:40
Speaker 3: dime safety, you know, so you know this is this
20:44
Speaker 3: is interesting.
20:46
Speaker 4: MORBs, is there still still there?
20:48
Speaker 3: Yeah? I do. I don't know if he'll be there
20:50
Speaker 3: when it all starts, I hear.
20:51
Speaker 1: But hey, you know one thing they did greg is
20:55
Speaker 1: they made they did no favors to the Eagles by
20:57
Speaker 1: giving McDuffie that kind of a contract, because at this
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Speaker 1: time next year, not only will the Eagles have to
21:02
Speaker 1: pay Quinyon Mitchell if they want to extend his contract
21:05
Speaker 1: something north of thirty million a year because of the
21:09
Speaker 1: way that McDuffie has been used in the way that
21:11
Speaker 1: the Eagles.
21:11
Speaker 5: Use Cooper to Gene.
21:12
Speaker 1: If Cooper to Jen has anything like a year three,
21:16
Speaker 1: like one and two, he's now a thirty million or
21:19
Speaker 1: in that neighborhood a year corner. Because I know McDuffie's
21:22
Speaker 1: played more outside than Coop, but the way things have
21:25
Speaker 1: been trending, Coop might play more outside this year, so
21:28
Speaker 1: he was I mean.
21:30
Speaker 3: It seems as if this might be Vic Fango's last season,
21:33
Speaker 3: assuming the defense is still good. I would assume that
21:37
Speaker 3: someone from that staff would end up being the DC
21:39
Speaker 3: and they'd stay with the Fangiol model. Oh yeah, So
21:42
Speaker 3: if that's the case, I mean, I can tell you
21:45
Speaker 3: from talking to Eagles coaches that they viewed the Gene
21:48
Speaker 3: as God. I mean, he is a really important important player.
21:54
Speaker 3: So that's one reason, Jeff. Another great point you just
21:58
Speaker 3: made is That's one reason why they probably couldn't be
22:00
Speaker 3: super active in spending a lot of money in free
22:03
Speaker 3: agency because they know, you know, they just paid Davis.
22:07
Speaker 3: They're going to have to pay the Gene. Mitchell's going
22:09
Speaker 3: to get top cornerback money maybe number one cornerback money.
22:14
Speaker 3: And you know it raised on the question and we
22:17
Speaker 3: can discuss this, you know, when we do the Patreon group.
22:19
Speaker 3: I'm sure they want to discuss it. You know, is
22:23
Speaker 3: Jalen Carter going to be here? I mean, you can't
22:25
Speaker 3: pay everybody. You can't pay everybody. How he actually set
22:28
Speaker 3: the combine, You just can't. But since you brought up
22:31
Speaker 3: the Eagles, let's go to it. They're signing only for
22:33
Speaker 3: one season? Is the animatic that surprise you guys that
22:39
Speaker 3: made a multi year deal?
22:40
Speaker 4: He's it's interesting with treequall and Greg will give us
22:44
Speaker 4: what it's takee looked like, so he was very available
22:47
Speaker 4: to trade deadline. Enigmatic means sort of mysterious because you know,
22:52
Speaker 4: this guy's talented. I was talking to a receivers coach
22:55
Speaker 4: that I really respect the other day and his team
22:58
Speaker 4: over the course of the season went against them and
23:00
Speaker 4: they targeted woln not so much Josh Job, which is
23:03
Speaker 4: kind of funny. He goes we like, we thought Joe
23:05
Speaker 4: was an improved player. There were things you could do
23:07
Speaker 4: against Joe, but Woolen, from their tapes set of Gregg
23:12
Speaker 4: and You'll let us down a second, they saw things
23:14
Speaker 4: where he'd go for certain throws and he fall step,
23:19
Speaker 4: make a mistake. So what did the tape show about
23:21
Speaker 4: the trique Wollen.
23:22
Speaker 3: Woolen is a rare individual because there's not many six four,
23:25
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifteen pound corners that move like that.
23:29
Speaker 3: And don't forget he started his first two years in
23:31
Speaker 3: college he was a wide receiver and then he became
23:34
Speaker 3: a corner. So he's a rare guy in terms of size, speed,
23:40
Speaker 3: athletic traits. But he has major technique, fundamental and concentration
23:46
Speaker 3: issues and they just haven't really gone away. And he
23:50
Speaker 3: basically got beaten out by Job, although there wore games
23:53
Speaker 3: down the stretch in which Wollan played more snaps than Job,
23:56
Speaker 3: but he essentially got beaten out because they just resigned
23:59
Speaker 3: Job and we're letting Woolen walk. So so this the
24:03
Speaker 3: Seattle coaching staff made a decision that Joe was a
24:06
Speaker 3: better player. So one if you can get it out
24:10
Speaker 3: of them, guys. I mean it's all there, It's all there.
24:14
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no one like him at corner in
24:17
Speaker 3: the league. There's no one like him at six four
24:19
Speaker 3: two fifteen with those kinds of athletic and physical traits.
24:24
Speaker 3: So you know, now, can you get it out of him?
24:28
Speaker 3: There's nothing more needs to be said. If you can. Boy,
24:31
Speaker 3: do they have a good corner group with Woan, Mitchell
24:34
Speaker 3: and Djene. I mean, if you can't, then you're just
24:37
Speaker 3: going to be frustrated all the year.
24:39
Speaker 4: Jeff's size on the outside, Oh my god, Mitchell, I
24:42
Speaker 4: mean that that's important. I know we talked about this
24:45
Speaker 4: with Vic when it came in, and just everyone else
24:48
Speaker 4: wasn't so it wasn't very important that they have size.
24:50
Speaker 4: But it's great. You look, you'd rather have it and
24:52
Speaker 4: not have it, and that's a good thing.
24:54
Speaker 5: Yeah.
24:55
Speaker 1: Did you ask us Greg if we were surprised he
24:57
Speaker 1: didn't get a multi year deal?
24:58
Speaker 3: Yeah?
24:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean he was, he was benched.
25:03
Speaker 5: Oh no, I'm not surprised at all.
25:06
Speaker 3: Yeah.
25:07
Speaker 1: I think it's a proven kind of signing, and you know,
25:11
Speaker 1: we've seen these kind of signing signings a lot before.
25:13
Speaker 1: And they tend to go the unfavorable way as opposed
25:16
Speaker 1: to the favorable Forever Zach Bond, you get more the
25:20
Speaker 1: the the who's the linebacker, the Devin Whites of the world,
25:23
Speaker 1: or the Josh Chas who did a nice job, but
25:26
Speaker 1: you know he was he's I actually predicted you were
25:28
Speaker 1: going to say about Woolen what you said about that.
25:32
Speaker 5: There's something in there.
25:34
Speaker 3: Oh my god, because the traits.
25:36
Speaker 1: Are there, but I think playing that position requires a
25:39
Speaker 1: lot just why would we see it said this about
25:41
Speaker 1: kieler Ringo. Traits are important, but you got you can't
25:45
Speaker 1: have mental lapses. You gotta be able to and and I'm.
25:48
Speaker 3: Sure a lot of people in Philly are thinking, well,
25:50
Speaker 3: if Mike McDonald couldn't get it out of him, then.
25:52
Speaker 5: That was one of my thoughts.
25:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and that's a valid thought, you know. Yeah,
25:57
Speaker 3: But so we'll see. I mean, the bottom line is
26:00
Speaker 3: Eagles needed a corner opposite onee. The question is now
26:03
Speaker 3: will they still draft one? You know, and that becomes
26:05
Speaker 3: the question, you know, so you know, obviously we still
26:08
Speaker 3: have the draft to go, so we'll see.
26:11
Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, that has been a good look at
26:14
Speaker 1: the major free agent signings on defense across the NFL
26:18
Speaker 1: and the first wave, and of course the Eagles as well.
26:21
Speaker 1: In the next part two of this, we'll talk about.
26:23
Speaker 5: The offensive signings in the NFL.
26:25
Speaker 1: That's going to do it for this episode of The
26:27
Speaker 1: Intel with Greg Cosel for Greg co Sell and Adam Kaplan.
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Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Mosher catch all on the next one.