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What Really Happened When I Met the Roblox CEO · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Happy Families podcast. Start of
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  Speaker 1: another week, and today it's a big one. It's an
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  Speaker 1: absolute cracker. In fact, Roadblocks is a pedophile healthscape. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I said on Parnal Guidance when we discussed the
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  Speaker 1: platform on National TV last year, and it caused a stir.
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  Speaker 1: As you know if you've been listening to the podcast
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  Speaker 1: for a while, I've been agitating against Roadblocks and a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of other big tech platforms for years. I'm an
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  Speaker 1: equal opportunity aggressor. If you're big tech, I pretty much
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  Speaker 1: don't like you because you're exploitative and you're not looking
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  Speaker 1: after the kids anyway. Roadblocks poor Parnal controls anyone gaining
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  Speaker 1: access to kids content that's extreme in violence and astonishingly sexual.
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  Speaker 1: Then there's the bullying, the allegations of sexual exploitation, the traffic,
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  Speaker 1: and a range of other I'm going to call them
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  Speaker 1: extreme concerns that make me absolutely anti Roadblocks, even if
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  Speaker 1: you are monitoring your child on the platform. So I
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  Speaker 1: was surprised to receive a call from Roadblocks last week.
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  Speaker 1: It was an invitation a one on one meeting with
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  Speaker 1: CEO and co founder of Roadblocks, David Bazouki. Today we
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  Speaker 1: unpack what happened in that meeting on the Happy Families podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're going to be very interested in how
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  Speaker 1: it all went down. Stay with us.
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  Speaker 2: It's a platform millions of kids use every day. No
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  Speaker 2: Roadblocks is a massive online universe with seemingly endless numbers
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  Speaker 2: of mini.
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  Speaker 1: This morning, Florida's Attorney General is issuing criminal subpoenas against
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  Speaker 1: rule Blocks, the popular online gaming company, citing alleged abuse
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  Speaker 1: of children by online predators.
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  Speaker 3: Wherever kids are, predators will be so kids like being.
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  Speaker 4: A twenty seven year old man's facing almost six hundred
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  Speaker 4: chargers accused of creating fake profiles to groom children online
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  Speaker 4: across multiple social media and gaming platforms, including Roadblocks.
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  Speaker 1: Coday, Welcome to the Happy Families podcast, where you get
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  Speaker 1: real parenting solutions every single day. It's Australia's most downloaded
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  Speaker 1: parenting podcast and we have got the the spill today
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  Speaker 1: Coylie and missus Haavy Families joins me for a conversation
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  Speaker 1: about what went down in the very informal meeting room
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  Speaker 1: at south Bank's Emporium Hotel, South Brisbane last week when
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  Speaker 1: I sat down with co founder CEO of Roadblocks, David Bazouki, Kylie,
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  Speaker 1: what would you ask the CEO of Roadblocks? If you've
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  Speaker 1: got to have a one on one just you and
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  Speaker 1: the CEO.
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  Speaker 3: You're asking the wrong person. I'm not interested in meeting them.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of days to think about it.
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  Speaker 1: But once I got the invite, I thought what I
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  Speaker 1: actually say here?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Do I tell him what I really think? Why are
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  Speaker 1: they invited me? It was a pretty interesting get together.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: Well. I actually had forgot that big mic drop moment
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  Speaker 3: from parental guidance, and.
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  Speaker 1: It was big.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I wouldn't have gone on miss, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: The most popular online gaming platform for young children is
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  Speaker 1: a pedophile healthcape.
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  Speaker 2: No way, what is it?
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  Speaker 1: This is a place where tens of millions of children are,
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  Speaker 1: and when there are that many children there, there will
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  Speaker 1: be people who have motivations for those children that are
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  Speaker 1: not consistent with what our motivations are as parents, Which
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  Speaker 1: means that if parents are willing to allow their children
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  Speaker 1: into that space, they have to be across what the
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  Speaker 1: game is. Yeah, and don't let them play in their bedrooms.
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  Speaker 1: So let's just set the stage here, there were some
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  Speaker 1: informal rules. I was told that I was allowed to
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  Speaker 1: make some basic notes and jut some stuff down, but
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  Speaker 1: no quotes allowed. I've skirted that real a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: just with a couple of words, but basically no quotes allowed.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to tell anybody that who was in
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  Speaker 1: the country until he had left the country because they
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to be inundated with media interview requests. And
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  Speaker 1: who knows what else might have happened. And I was
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  Speaker 1: told I had thirty minutes. So to put this into context,
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  Speaker 1: David Bazooki is a busy guy, and he doesn't need
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  Speaker 1: to be talking to people like me. He's worth. He's
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  Speaker 1: worth at least five billion dollars. I don't know about you,
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  Speaker 1: but that's more than I'm worth.
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  Speaker 3: That's really five billion dollars, and he's put done two
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  Speaker 3: a percentage my net worth as percentage of his.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that we've even got a number that small.
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  Speaker 1: And he was here to meet with some very high
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  Speaker 1: powered people, including people in the political landscape. That's as
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  Speaker 1: much as I know. Getting time with him though, and
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  Speaker 1: his chief of civility and his head technical safety guy.
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  Speaker 1: I need to say at the outset, it was a
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  Speaker 1: generous offer and it was a legitimately big deal.
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  Speaker 3: I watched you over the days leading up to this,
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  Speaker 3: and there was this kind of internal battle in me
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  Speaker 3: whether you really wanted to go and spend time with him,
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  Speaker 3: knowing for well that there were so many other things
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  Speaker 3: you could be doing with.
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  Speaker 1: Your time much more productive.
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  Speaker 3: But also recognizing this is kind of for once in
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  Speaker 3: a lifetime opportunity to sit in front of somebody and
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  Speaker 3: actually have the platform to articulate to the powers that
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  Speaker 3: be the concerns of parents around.
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  Speaker 1: I say once in a lifetime, But at the end
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  Speaker 1: of this podcast we may find out that it really was.
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  Speaker 1: There may never be another limitation again. But You're right,
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  Speaker 1: there was a tension, And I'll tell you why the
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  Speaker 1: tension was there, because I actually don't want to meet
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  Speaker 1: David Buzuki. I'm not interested in meeting big tech founders,
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  Speaker 1: not that I don't want to have my opinions of
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  Speaker 1: them shattered. I already know who they're going to be
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  Speaker 1: and what they're going to be like, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you are the CEO of a tech firm whose
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  Speaker 1: business model harms children at scale globally, I'm not really
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  Speaker 1: that interested in what your vision is for how the
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  Speaker 1: platform is going to change the world or give parents
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  Speaker 1: the secure knowledge that it really is safe. And I
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  Speaker 1: also know what to expect. If you are the CEO
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  Speaker 1: of a listed company on the biggest stock exchange in
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  Speaker 1: the world, and your company is worth billions of dollars,
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  Speaker 1: you are going to be a charismatic and intelligent and
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  Speaker 1: well spoken person who knows how to show up for
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  Speaker 1: people like me when I'm in the room and I
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  Speaker 1: have the opportunity to ask questions, so I expect to
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  Speaker 1: somebody who was going to be considered and respectful and knowledgeable.
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  Speaker 1: And I was right on all accounts, but obviously I
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  Speaker 1: had this tension there. As you've rightly pointed out.
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  Speaker 3: I'm really interested in the chief of civility's role.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but that's really the role. I am the
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  Speaker 1: chief of civility. I'm here to make sure that people
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  Speaker 1: are civil on roadblocks. I'd fire somebody who was a
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  Speaker 1: chief of civility if the in civil, uncivil non civil
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  Speaker 1: behavior that happens on roadblocks was happening under.
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  Speaker 3: My watch, So that they are in charge of civility
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  Speaker 3: on the platform, right, I thought they were in charge
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  Speaker 3: of the civility of the.
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  Speaker 1: Conversations that these you're the best. No no, no civility
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  Speaker 1: for Roadblocks.
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  Speaker 3: She was there to mass such the conversation when it
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  Speaker 3: got a bit too heated.
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  Speaker 1: Well it did. But here's the thing. The other reason
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  Speaker 1: that I had some tension around the conversation was because
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  Speaker 1: I also knew that nothing that I said was going
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  Speaker 1: to meaningfully impact how Roadblocks operates. But they came to me.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't go to them. I didn't know that he
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  Speaker 1: was going to be in the country. They came to
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  Speaker 1: me and they said, we really want to hear what's
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  Speaker 1: happening on the ground. We want to know what parents
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  Speaker 1: are worried about, and we want to know what we
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  Speaker 1: can do to help. Literally, one of the people in
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  Speaker 1: the room asked me, what can we do to help
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  Speaker 1: parents and to educate parents.
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  Speaker 3: The critic in me wants to suggest that this was
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  Speaker 3: a bit of a PR stunt, and yet, yeah, it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't because it's not going anywhere, right, there's no publicity
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  Speaker 3: about this meeting.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: They're not going to be sharing anything their end.
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  Speaker 1: But they don't need to, because when you bring people
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  Speaker 1: like me into the room. It's like saying, hey, why
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  Speaker 1: don't we sit down and just have a drink. Let's
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  Speaker 1: have a chat about things. Because when you get to
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  Speaker 1: see how reasonable everybody is, and you get to see
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  Speaker 1: them face to face, it does soften hards, it does
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  Speaker 1: soften attitudes.
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  Speaker 3: It's a nice guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's not just a nice guy. He's a delightful guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's charming, he's likable. I will say he's defensive because
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  Speaker 1: when I brought a couple of things up, and I did,
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  Speaker 1: really I could have been a lot more forthright, but
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  Speaker 1: I certainly didn't hold back. Tammy Bummick, who is the
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  Speaker 1: VP of civility, that is the role VP of civility.
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  Speaker 1: She was, as you said, the one who smoothed things over.
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  Speaker 1: I've also got to highlight Matt Kaufman, the head of safety. Reassuring,
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  Speaker 1: very reassuring and technical. I mean, I walked out and well,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you about take homes in a sec. Here's
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  Speaker 1: what I just have to say. I'm going to call
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  Speaker 1: him Dave because that's what he told me to call him, Dave,
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  Speaker 1: not David Dave Pazuki. Dave started off with a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a lecture about where it Roadblocks was like,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know the platform. So I helped him to
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  Speaker 1: know that I didn't know it, and then we moved on,
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  Speaker 1: and then he said, just one thing that I want
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  Speaker 1: to highlight. He said, I know the platform is not perfect,
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  Speaker 1: and we're working on that, but we've got all these
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  Speaker 1: recent safety improvements. I jumped in and said they're not adequate,
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  Speaker 1: and I told him why. And then he said, and
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  Speaker 1: this is the only thing that I'm quoting from the
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  Speaker 1: whole conversation, he said that their safety focus is too
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  Speaker 1: and I quote designed for the absentee parent. Roadblocks is
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  Speaker 1: being designed for the absentee parent. In other words, that
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  Speaker 1: is designing it in such a way that children can
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  Speaker 1: play it unsupervised because they know that many parents are
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  Speaker 1: not supervising their children on the platform.
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  Speaker 3: So here in line is the actual problem. It's not
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  Speaker 3: that a platform exists, it's that so many of our
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  Speaker 3: children are actually on the platform unsupervised.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to argue against that the platform is problematic.
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  Speaker 3: Of course it is, and it shouldn't be. It's not
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  Speaker 3: their role to parent my child.
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  Speaker 1: No, but it is their role if they're providing a
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  Speaker 1: product for children, to make sure that it's safe for children.
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  Speaker 3: Not a product for children.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it absolutely is. I mean, they have one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty million daily users.
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  Speaker 3: But it is not a product that has been designed
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  Speaker 3: for children.
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  Speaker 1: No, it actually has more than forty million of those
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  Speaker 1: sometimes as many as sixty to seventy million users per
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  Speaker 1: day are under the age of fourteen.
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  Speaker 3: You're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to
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  Speaker 3: say that this has not been designed with the best
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  Speaker 3: interests of children in mind.
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  Speaker 1: But it is a children's platform and it has been
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  Speaker 1: designed as one. It's just that it's been hijacked. And
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  Speaker 1: because we talked about this last week section two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and thirty of the United States Law Code, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer. They are not responsible for what
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  Speaker 1: happens on the platform because the users are responsible for it.
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  Speaker 1: But of course there are all sorts of challenges around that.
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  Speaker 1: But again, I just want to come back to this
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  Speaker 1: idea that if they're designing fro an absentee parent, they're failing.
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  Speaker 1: They're failing dramatically, They're failing absolutely, and they wanted to
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  Speaker 1: talk about that failure, and they wanted to talk about
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  Speaker 1: how they can improve things. So after the break, I
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  Speaker 1: want to share with you what I said that changed
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  Speaker 1: the temperature in the room. Stay with us, We're back.
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  Speaker 1: This is The Happy Family's podcast my meeting with David
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  Speaker 1: Bozuki and a couple of his key staff members one
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  Speaker 1: on one thirty minutes in Brisbane last week. I'm allowed
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  Speaker 1: to talk about it now that he's gone back to
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  Speaker 1: the United States, no doubt. I don't know. I'm speculating,
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  Speaker 1: but I presume that somebody worth five billion dollars is
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  Speaker 1: probably flying on their own plan. I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: he jumped on a local aeroplane. He's jumped on the
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  Speaker 1: plane and gone home. Kylie. I said something that really
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  Speaker 1: changed the temperature in the room. He talked about how
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  Speaker 1: Roadblocks is being held to a higher standard than other
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  Speaker 1: platforms because it's such a big platform. And I said,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely and appropriately, and your standards are too low. You're
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  Speaker 1: saying it's being held to a higher standard. It's not
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  Speaker 1: high enough, and your standards too low. And then I
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  Speaker 1: raised the approximate one hundred and fifteen lawsuits that are
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  Speaker 1: currently in the courts against Roadblocks because their standards are
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  Speaker 1: not high enough. And I've pointed out that there's a
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  Speaker 1: Brisbane man in court this month facing five hundred and
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  Speaker 1: twenty nine charges, many of which are related to his
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  Speaker 1: alleged sexually exploitive conduct on roadblocks. And that's when it
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  Speaker 1: got really awkward, and Dave jumped in and was very,
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  Speaker 1: very defensive. He said, well, we can't know it's on roadblocks.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't seen the police forensic report. We can't say
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  Speaker 1: anything about that. We need to be very careful here,
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  Speaker 1: although everything that I've read about it indicates that the
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  Speaker 1: police forensic report has indicated that that's where it happened.
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  Speaker 1: And that's when things were sort of smoothed over by
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  Speaker 1: Tammy and by Matt who offered that reassurance about their
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  Speaker 1: continual and ongoing safety improvements. But Honey, I couldn't shake
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  Speaker 1: this for this feeling this You talked about the tension
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  Speaker 1: that I felt. This platform, like so many others, probably
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  Speaker 1: most of the others, will continue to prioritize engagement and growth,
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  Speaker 1: that is, children's addiction and their compulsive use, even when
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  Speaker 1: it costs them over safety. And if new safety policies
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  Speaker 1: and protocols genuinely risk reducing user numbers, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: they'll implement them. In spite of the fact that they
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  Speaker 1: looked into my eyes and told me how much they care,
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  Speaker 1: and I really believe it, Like they are sincere people,
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  Speaker 1: and they are smart people, and they already know this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But if they know this stuff, why aren't they doing it?
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  Speaker 1: And this is the whole thing, right Like people say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: but they said this, and they said that, And my
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  Speaker 1: whole thing is, I don't care what people say. I
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  Speaker 1: call what people do. And right now, you're not doing it.
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  Speaker 1: You're not doing it, You're not protecting our kids.
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  Speaker 3: That's my frustration, I guess at the core of this though,
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  Speaker 3: they're not the first people to be found in this position,
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  Speaker 3: and they won't be the last. No, we are going
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  Speaker 3: to constantly be pushing against the grain when we stand
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  Speaker 3: up and hold people accountable for their poor behavior or
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  Speaker 3: conduct in relation to our children's safety.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Kylie, when I left that meeting, they probably looked
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  Speaker 1: at each other and thought, oh, my goodness, we've got
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  Speaker 1: better things to do with our time than sit down
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  Speaker 1: and talk to this guy. But for whatever reason, they
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  Speaker 1: chose me, they wanted me in the room, they wanted
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  Speaker 1: to have the conversation. And I still stand by the
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  Speaker 1: fact that number one. I really believe they're sincere people.
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  Speaker 1: They are very, very smart people, and it was a
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  Speaker 1: privilege to receive the invitation. It was good for my ego,
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  Speaker 1: I thought, very important, right, Like, how many people get
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  Speaker 1: to get an invitation like that with such limited time
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  Speaker 1: while he's here, so great for my ego. There's my
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  Speaker 1: big head. Scratch my ear in another suburb if you
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  Speaker 1: need to, because my head's gotten that big. But more
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  Speaker 1: than that, as you've said, saying yes was not about
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  Speaker 1: my ego. I said yes because parents deserve to know
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  Speaker 1: what these platforms are doing and what they're not doing
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  Speaker 1: to protect kids. I said yes because transparency matters. I
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  Speaker 1: said yes because I felt compelled to be there to
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  Speaker 1: say uncomfortable things directly to the people in charge, even
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  Speaker 1: if it doesn't change anything, at least in the short term.
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  Speaker 1: So that's kind of that's what happened.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a podcast where we actually promise solutions.
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  Speaker 3: We've got lots and lots of talking and you've shared
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  Speaker 3: a lot about this experience. But what does this actually
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  Speaker 3: mean for parents? How can we help parents if they
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  Speaker 3: have children who are already on the platform.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, the toothplace out of the tube.
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  Speaker 3: They're kind of feeling like it's too late, it's all
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  Speaker 3: doom and gloom.
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  Speaker 1: It happened a couple of weeks ago. I was at
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  Speaker 1: a presentation. I mentioned something about roadblocks, and a parent
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  Speaker 1: put up the hand and they're like, well, now, I
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  Speaker 1: just feel like a bad parent because you've told me
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  Speaker 1: that it's a terrible place for my kids. And I
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  Speaker 1: let my kids plan all the time, so and I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to make parents feel awful about things. This
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  Speaker 1: is not the purpose of why I say what I say.
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  Speaker 1: It's try to be genuinely trying to be helpful. My
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  Speaker 1: top five tips, and I can rattle them off really
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  Speaker 1: fast because I'm always going through this. Number One, You've
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  Speaker 1: got to talk to you kids about what they're experiencing online.
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  Speaker 1: You need to know what they're doing, who they're talking to,
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  Speaker 1: Ask them if anything weird happen, ask them if anyone's
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  Speaker 1: been mean to them or to their friends. Just ask
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  Speaker 1: them what they're witnessing and seeing. That's the first one
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  Speaker 1: second thing. Parental controls are important. Don't rely on them
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  Speaker 1: because they are inadequate, but they are better than nothing.
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  Speaker 1: You've just got to make sure you jump in and
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  Speaker 1: check those settings regularly, so if your kids are on
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  Speaker 1: these platforms, just jump in and check the parenal controls.
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  Speaker 1: The third thing I'd say is use the platform with
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  Speaker 1: your kids. Play with your children, and it won't take
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  Speaker 1: you very long to learn. They're pretty simple platforms to use,
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  Speaker 1: and once you see what the kids are doing, you're
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  Speaker 1: going to have much more constructive conversations. You might even
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  Speaker 1: enjoy it and see the benefits that can come from it.
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  Speaker 1: And you can keep your kids safer. Limits and boundaries,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: so no phones and screens and bedrooms and bathrooms or
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: during family time or at the table. And lastly, trust
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: your instincts, like as a parent, if something feels off
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: about your child or about the platform, then there's a
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: good chance it is. And I say this to parents
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: consistently at my parent nights when I'm giving talks around
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  Speaker 1: the country. You don't need my permission to say no.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: You can say no without checking in with the parenting
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  Speaker 1: expert first. It's acceptable, it's allwable. You can say no,
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  Speaker 1: but remember that how you say it is just as
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: important as that you say it.
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  Speaker 3: I think the struggle that I have as a parent
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: is backing myself up. Yeah, you know, you have these
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: you have these impressions, you have these feelings, and you
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: kind of think, but I'm going so counter to what
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: everybody else is doing, and it's really nice and reassuring
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: to have somebody else go. Yeah.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: But so that was my meeting with the CEO of Roadblocks,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: David Bozouki, and a couple of his key stuff on
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: my website, on happy Families dot com, DOTU and also
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: on Facebook. I've shared eleven priorities that I think Roadblocks
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: should have to keep kids safe. I got through a
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: few of those items in the meeting, but eleven was
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: too many. We only had thirty minutes, and there was
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of other stuff that came up as well.
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  Speaker 1: But if Ropeblocks or any other platforms actually do want
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: to work with me constructively rather than having a thirty
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: minute one on one which has that sense of can
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: we just be buddies and Quim be nice to each
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: other and understand each other a bit better, I'm really
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: interested in showing up for meetings that are constructive and productive,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: and I would love to be invited again. But not
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: holding my breath. If you'd like to see more information
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: about what happened in that meeting. Check out Happy families
• 17:31
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• 17:33
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• 17:36
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• 17:39
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• 17:42
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• 17:45
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• 17:48
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