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Ben who? – Obi-Wan Kenobi, Johnny Depp Verdict & Stranger Things 4 · Multiple Nerdgasm

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and welcome to pride month thanks I don't know everyone seems to be doing
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that now so I thought we would okay that's good it's also National
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reconciliation week so if there are any gay Aborigines listening um shout out to
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you double yep if if there are right in because that's interesting yeah we'd
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love to love to know that there just let us know how the [ __ ] did you find this
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podcast welcome to multiple
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nerdgasm with your hosts mat Luke and
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Dan multiple nerdgasm your guide to All
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Things nerdy sorry are you saying are you saying that gay Aborigines like are just
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so far out of the main stream that no I just maybe that's that's a niche that
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we've not targeted maybe we should be are you saying that we should lean into
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that and kind of our content to be a little bit more gay and a little bit
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more indigenous well let's wait and see if we hear from anybody
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first I preemptively sure why not some terrible stuff happened this
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week oh God go on and I'm just going to L off with it Johnny Depp wins I don't
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think he wins oh he he I don't think anything W and i' like I'm interested to
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know why you think that's terrible versus the alternative which is an
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apparently lying woman who lied about domestic abuse wins which seems worse to
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me there are some interesting polarized opinions on this and and I definitely
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want to go into it so go ahead I wasn't hoping that he hit her or anything had
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actually happened to her no one suggested you were hoping he'd I'm not
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sure why you started with that L we haven't accused you of that it's also
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not great that I'm also not sort of it's not great that if she did lie about it
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and all that but also they're both just terrible people I know but that's not
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the point of the lawsuit like I know but a lot of people are going like they
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can't the jury couldn't just come back and say in the account of defamation we
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find that you're both awful so yeah I know that but a lot of people just uh I
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don't know I seemed to be I sort of think Johnny je Johnny Depp is still
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charming and everything I'm sort of like I mean seems like an [ __ ] no I don't
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know Charming [ __ ] yeah I think he's I think he's definitely Charming I think
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that's got a lot to do with with how he's won back the public everything to
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do he's good if you don't know him sure I don't know man he brought a lot of
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character Witnesses in that were like he's the top guy like yeah oh yeah he's
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an alcoholic and a drug addict for sure and he and he definitely yeah and he
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definitely has rage issues yeah and he's not perfect but I think what it come I
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mean the court case comes down to did he hit Amber herd and they seemed to have
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convinced the jury that he didn't and then it also came down to did she say
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that he did and did that affect his career and they also said yeah that also
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happened so that's really well I think the big the big part wasn't actually
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even if you did hit her not did it affect his career that's what it really
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came down to well I think cuz part of it was was it a lie cuz it's important that
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it was a lie I don't think cuz there's already been a trial about whether he
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hit her or not I don't think there could be another trial for no no that was in
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the UK that was in the UK this this when they read the verdict the the questions
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were did they sa were you satisfied that the article was about Johnny Depp yes
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were you satisfied the article was untrue yes do you satisfied that that
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meets the the character of defamation yes and that's why he won I think it
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would be hard to prove that it was defamation if it was
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correct yeah so I think I think like as far as the case goes He they've decided
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that he did not hit her I read a very interesting article in the New Yorker
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this week that said that Johnny's win is bad news for women because now they're
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going to be in fear of not being believed and I guess that does make a
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certain kind of sense except that in this in it was him who was the victim and it was
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him who was not being believed how is that his fault anyway how is that not
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Amber herd causing Amber's fault because she she came out and gave a statement
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that said oh this is going to set back you know women who've been abused I'm
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like yeah it is and that's your fault cuz you cuz apparently you lied about it
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yeah so don't you know if you did in fact lie about it as Johnny Depp has
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proven that you did that's on you yeah yeah it's an ugly Affair though it's an
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ABS abolutely ugly situation I agree with you on that Luke I'm glad this is
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over I'm glad this car wreck has been cleaned up now I hope I hope he it's
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true that he didn't hit her otherwise this is awful yeah you're correct yeah I
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really hope that he really just didn't look I'd stopped watching the Pirates of
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the Caribbean movies long ago I loved the first one absolutely loved it um but
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I think they my interest in them tapered off at a certain point and I I didn't
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give a [ __ ] that Captain Jack bar was no longer in them they let him back in and
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he makes another one good for him is K ja Pirates of Caribbean anymore no they
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fired him because of all this how do I have p i i I stopped watching them after
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the first how make PIR car without him I think they canceled it but then now they
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just they just can't speculators are speculating that they'll make another
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one with Johnny Depp now well I mean he's got two options doesn't he he's got
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the option to allow himself to be welcomed back with open arms and and and
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just Embrace that he's got the option to give him the finger and say [ __ ] you I
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was right all along well um from the way he spends money he'll be signing any CL
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I think he should anyway I think as a as a sensible if he is in fact a sensible
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person he can he should understand why they did what they did like I don't MH
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oh yeah yeah yeah yeah lawsuit was about well I know and I saw some um some legal
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commentator saying the other day that now she's unemployable as a result of
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this so oh for sure but does that that mean she can sue him for defamation well
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no well she she did counter Sue and uh she was awarded 2 million oh not because
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of anything he did but and so because people were kind of focusing on that and
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apparently like I said I'm not a lawyer but what I as it was explained in this
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video that I watched he won pretty much everything she won 2 million because his
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lawyers made some comment that was defamatory during the case that was not
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true was nothing to do with him it was his lawyers said something about she
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trashed the apartment or something some some silly thing like that and
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apparently that was she intentionally trashed the apartment she was able to
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prove that that was not true okay she got 2 million but she did poop the bed
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she did poop the bed yeah and she also admitted that she lied about pooping the
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bed in the other court case so I'm not quite sure how how that legal
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ramifications for that cuz that's perjury so I I tuned out at this point I
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I was all in at the beginning and then I just I couldn't watch it anymore it was
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too awkward but I watched none of it was there a moment where Amber herd
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literally sat on the stand and went oh fine it was me I the bed I I I have not
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seen the clip but my understanding is that yes she said it was a
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prank okay she said she pooped in the bed because of a prank I mean that's a
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hell of a [ __ ] prank it was her poop that she put in there as a prank as my
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understand it was a prank it was a joke that got out of hand but the problem is
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that in the problem is that in court in the UK in court she had previously said
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she didn't do it and it was the dog so I I whatever pistol or Bandit I know their
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names because Australia was going to kill them you could I know what you mean
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Luca it's a shame that he's all charming and whatever and everyone's loving him
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and I know that annoys you but have you seen any clips of her like she's like
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the opposite awful and I so I really hope that this isn't just a case of
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she's just so uncharismatic in these situations even though she's telling the
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truth she just sounds like a li ask bad advice from her lawyers cuz her lawyers
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didn't seem the greatest and it could have been her lawyers were going look
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just play it this way just be so stick to the facts be like this it's it's just
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advice she got from them cuz I know I've heard there were a
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few times where like lawyers was started to go down the line of questioning they
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going hold on no this makes Johnny look better and sort of diverted type of
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thing I know and then and every time she answered a question am Amber her I mean
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she would just seem like was trying to she never give a straight answer and
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like she was just kind of dodging all it's like she was trying to remember
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what she was meant to say yeah she just came across really badly which can you
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just be that she was coached too much could be or I mean or it could be
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that she literally was just lying which is it seems what that's what the way
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she's proven to not be the the great actress that she wants us to think she
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is have you seen there is a PO uh Paul what is that thing that you sign a
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petition petition to get Bruce Campbell to replace Amber herd in Aquaman 2 get
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Bruce Campbell Bruce Campbell he has said s me the script I love that my
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every 3 million people have signed it well evidently there were they were
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talking about removing her entirely from that movie and the cast were like I
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think that goes a bit too far but evidently her role has been cut down to
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um just over 10 minutes worth of screen time now so she's been reduced they may
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even regret that after this turnout it's very possible but I hear they're not
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going to replace Ezra Miller in the flash is that true yeah apparently so
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they've come out and said that that's not uh that's not something they're
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considering they still think releasing an Ezra Mela movie at this point is
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although I did say it does say barring unforeseen developments Oh you mean like
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the several times now he's been arrested for assaulting people randomly
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unforeseen developments see I think I think they're just they're stuck in a
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corner they want to sort of not but this is so pivotal in restarting their whole
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franchise that they're sort of locked in yeah well this says it would not be
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possible to replace Miller without re-shooting the entire movie they're in
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just about every scene and there's not enough digital technology in existence
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to configure that magic without going back to square one redoing the entire
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film is not realistic proposition Y no then you're right Luke they would
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desperately love love to get out of this [ __ ] mess they
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in oh man I I'll watch it I mean not at the cinema I mean maybe it the only
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thing that's making me watch this movie is Michael Keaton oh absolutely yeah I
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still record that should got the actor who played The Flash on the CW and just
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brought him in because has he who got drug and assaulted anyone no no Bruce
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Bruce Campbell as the flash just Bruce Campbell comes in and replaces anyone
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who's had misconduct I I'd watch it amazing he's in House of
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user replacing uh it's just every time it cuts to a different angle of Frank
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LEL it's Bruce Campbell yeah or tign nataro depending on what they need to oh
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yeah oh tign nataro did a great job as well that yeah that was that was pretty
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amazing I got say and that was that was an easier fix though sure because the
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whole film was CG basically mind you the flash has most of his face covered
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wouldn't you just have to CGI the lips although then again they tried that with
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Justice Le you know what I'm going to shut up about that that didn't go so
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well I was going to see if anyone's caught up an Obi-Wan yet yes and I want
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to talk about it well I haven't caught up to episode three which is out now but
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I did catch up on episodes one and two which I hadn't seen last week when I was
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getting fairly critical about it so I do want to just wind this back a little bit
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and say that by the time I'd watched to the end of the episodes that were
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available I was kind of in I must admit yeah I'm starting to starting to grow on
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me yeah I got to say I am enjoying it but I can't help I know them the the the
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original movies too well and I just find myself going hang on a minute like every
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10 minutes or so I just I can't help it and I wish I could be one of those
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people that are like just chill out like I wish I could well even if they kind of
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like oh technically if this happened and this happened and this happened that
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could be true it's like okay sure but it's still a logic hole even if it's not
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a plot hole and like and some of this stuff is not their fault George
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writing himself into Corners one thing that came yeah we're talking about this
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week at at at at trivia game and someone reminded me of just the Ridiculousness
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of the idea that that and it didn't have to be this way that that Owen is
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literally his uncle yep yes that's right that's ridiculous yeah yeah not only
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that he so so they they wanted to hide his child so they gave it to his only
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living his actual uncle and they didn't even change his name
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so that if he ever if he came by looking for his kid he'd be like no this is
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coincidentally and child they put a Jedi Knight within ey view of it so that he
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could look after him they changed his first name but not his very famous last
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name that's one of my that scene in the first episode I really wish when he bump
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when the other Jedi comes up and goes you're Obi-Wan and he goes no just Ben I
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wish the other guy said Ben what though yeah Ben who
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yeah don't take anobi don't take anobi don't take ridiculous but like that's not their
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fault but then there's other stuff like what's her name River kidnaps has Leia
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kidnapped right because she thinks Bale and Obi-Wan are friends and that'll lure
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Obi-Wan out which it does and so she kidnaps Leia and she's right right so
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clearly B Orana is in contact with obiwan Kenobi and apparently between now
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and A New Hope there don't appear to have been too many consequences for that
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four Bale Orana or layer yeah yeah she's still a senator do we know what happens
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to Bale Orana though we don't we don't see his fate at any point do we well
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they they do blow up alderan in in yeah but we don't know that he was still
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alive they might have blown up his corpse when they blew up all the r
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because at that stage remember that um Leia was the senator for Allan at that
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stage okay when we first meet her all right but what you're saying is right
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but we we don't know what's going to happen because odds are she didn't tell
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anyone no I know that's possible no but Vader knows she told him the plan didn't
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she did she I I feel like she did like so you haven't seen episode 3 so I don't
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want to talk about episode 3 too you know you know you know Vader's in this I
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will be the one thing with Vader they nailed the voice this
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time I think that's James L Jones I think that's no I've seen I've seen him
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like when Revenge to the Sith when they got they still got James Jones to come
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back it didn't sound like still wasn't quite right no this was spot on yeah
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this was perfect oh okay Vader's too powerful now what if why are they doing
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that right he's doing stuff that I'm like why doesn't he do that later you
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know cuz I didn't have the special effects for it back then well there's
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there's I mean there's a whole lot of that why why doesn't Obi-Wan do the
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[ __ ] Jedi fast run that he did in the in the start opening scene of Fantom
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Menace why does he never do that again yeah it just just watching it I was kept
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finding myself squinting being like wait what V can do that I mean all right even
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though this is quite prequel adjacent it it the tone of it is quite good I I I
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must admit and I was watching and I had my daughter in my lap and I was watching
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like [ __ ] Obi-Wan and a little girl you know going around having adventures
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and my wife was like man they know their [ __ ] audience don't
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they no I look I'm I am enjoying it it's just little things like like why is he
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wearing his lightsaber if he's especially if he's not planning on using
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it and he has to reach to get to the gun it that's what I mean cuz he put the gun
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behind it put the gun in front mate I love the fact that we see him shooting
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a gun because it's proving that guns are just incredibly more effective than a
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lightsaber yeah despite what he says later well all he said was it's more
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civilized to use a sword he doesn't say it's better I think the big problem with
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him not using going to the gun over lights at the moment is that he's out of
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practice yeah and like even when he like Capt like saves layup with using the
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force that's like the first time he's used to force in a long time but why is
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he still good with a gun I mean whatever I don't it doesn't matter
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little things like that that annoy me I'll say one other thing that annoys me
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just because this one's still really bugging me and I don't see how they
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going to explain this one away right Leia in A New Hope knows him as general
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Kenobi Obi-Wan Kenobi and Ben Kenobi I've verified that this week by
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watching does say Ben Kenobi okay when she's in in her video message to him she
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calls him General Kenobi at first and then she says help me obiwan Kenobi
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you're my only so she knows those name and then when Luke comes in and says I'm
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here to rescue you I'm with Ben Kenobi she goes Ben Kenobi where is he right
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she knows who he is yeah but not only that the weird thing now is her message
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to Obi-Wan Kenobi is you served my father during the Clone Wars blah blah
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blah she doesn't mention any of this stuff hey it's me remember me we were
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great mates yeah it's me I need your help again if you look at it she's doing
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a very formal request at that stage she's she's acting as a senator a Luke's
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an apologist not yeah if he's he's being paid under the table she she he really
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wants this to work she was the youngest set sen in 1999 I went to see The
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Phantom Menace with Luke and this was the exact kind of tone he had when he
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was trying to explain to me why I didn't hate it I spent a whole like like we
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could say probably weeks worth of time arguing with Dave about this so mhm but
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no it is good it's not you're wrong you don't
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hate it you love it yeah I just we just could have accepted at the time it's
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just odd and I I'm like well you didn't have to do that you didn't have to do
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any of this like why are you doing this any of these spin-off shows stop it
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imagine imagine if there was nothing other than and we were you know in our
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40s still remembering some movies from the late 70s early ' 80s you know what I
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mean I think it's what you said last week when you you nailed it when you're
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talking about how babyon 5 are like five and done like we've seen we've seen it
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it was all good we loved it till the very end and now we can just wear the
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t-shirt and say we love it mhm but I'd like more careful about wanting more I'm
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checking my list of annoying things some of these are specifically about this
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episode don't want to ruin the episode for Dan or what's that something from
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episode three yeah but I don't want to it's not important it's just a little
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niggly thing we can talk next week I'll definitely watch it yeah in fact I was
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going to watch it last night but instead I watched the first episode of season
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four of stranger things I've only watched the first episode seen the first
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epod how is it it might be my favorite season so far yeah it's good it's very
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good they are leaning into the horror aspect of it which I love oh yeah
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they're really leaning into that there's some great stuff going I'm I'm really
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looking forward to watching the the production values are so good it's like
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they are they really are I'm in the ' 80s yes it's it's not it's Nostalgia
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done right even like Jenna pointed out there's little things like when when I
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think Dustin's using the pay phone and someone scratched ET phone home into the
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pay phone it's just like little touches it's just so like well done and now it's
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getting on in the 80s now so now there's modems and BBs stuff that there wasn't
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in the earlier ones there's an igga in this episode I know this igga 1000 one
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Dan over instantly yeah that's right I was like bam igga all right we're in
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we're in yeah now what's scaring me is these episodes are quite long like the
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last episode in this episode 9 it's like 2 and 1 half hours great then this is
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only volume one of season 4 there volume two how many episodes are in the first
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volume I didn't want to look I think there was 10 oh wait 10 in the first
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volume oh no there's nine in the first volume that's still a lot especially if
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they're 2 and a half hour I know I think no that episode 9 volume 1 is 2 and 1
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half hours then volume two comes out in the month but will volume two be be
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another Nine episodes or is it going to be a shorter uh seven episodes um the
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hold on let me let me actually that's season so there's I apologize I didn't
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want to look on Netflix because I didn't want to see the
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anything volume one will have seven and then volume two is going to have like
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two long episodes ah that makes a bit more sense so it's going to end on a
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movie okay that does make sense right okay and will that be the end are they
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saying that this is the end I think it will be because this isn't even what
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they' originally planned for no cuz remember they originally planned for
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this is going to be 780s and then we're going to do second season going be set
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in the '90s it's going to be like 10 years on but everyone went we love these
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kids we want to see more of these kids yeah more kids mhm the kids did really
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make the show I mean don't get me wrong everything about it was great the
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writing the atmosphere the production design was great but like I don't know
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if I'd watch this if Dustin wasn't in it you know what I mean it did take me a
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little bit to get back into it because they they do look older now and they all
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look really odd like intentionally cuz they're a well they're that age yeah
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also that age where you do look a bit odd but also they don't necessarily all
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look the same age as each other now but I guess that's that's accurate too to
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your kind of adolescent years well yeah one of your friends will just suddenly
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be really tall and have a mustache we're smoking at school some of could go buy
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cigarettes and others couldn't yeah that's true I'm sure Dan you could probably
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guess who my new favorite character is oh it might might well be your new
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favorite character as well man oh not only that but I I I'm petitioning him to
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to be casting the crow remake that they keep AR about who the I'm like bam this
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guy is in this this guy is awesome yeah who who great you'll you'll you'll know
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as soon as he shows up you'll know man he is [ __ ] there's a couple new
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characters there's one in particular you'll be like yeah as soon as he shows
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up you'll be like oh they Matt and Dan love this guy sure yeah that's right
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they were like yeah yeah what about the alternative kids from the 80s who would
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they like yeah what what if there was a guy who liked D and D but also was like
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a heavy metal yeah SL drug dealer yeah
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that's right mhm all right I I think I'm going to try and watch it this weekend
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SL just charm Charming extrovert yes [ __ ] it's so good yeah and it's like
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yeah we I want to we have to go on about he's weird but he's like charming and
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nice like he just doesn't he doesn't seem like he's a dick in any way like
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cuz he's clearly the Billy replacement right but he's just not a [ __ ] with but
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he's not like Billy cuz Billy was a respects his customers he's a good he's
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a good character he does he's [ __ ] Charming to his customers yeah oh
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they're all good the [ __ ] the characters in this are written so so
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well I was going to say yeah cuz you know when yeah he's talking to the girl
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and she's starting to get nervous and he just totally
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like you know he's like oh you know what what you call it lightens the mood and
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everything like that I like this guy's great yeah he's gonna die totally it's
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cuz he's been that I thought I was worried I don't want to say anything cuz
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someone was going to die you knew someone was going to die yeah yeah and
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actually I liked both the characters in that scene so I was like actually don't
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want either of these to die I'd like to see these to continue which they very
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way I've only seen one who [ __ ] knows yeah look Dustin will be missed
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obviously but uh but you know there's there's plenty other kids in the show so
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yeah I just can't believe that he got [ __ ] to death you know what I mean
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like unbelievable Yeah by 11 no l and the the fact that you s I know that's
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right that's right I do love the the warning that uh Netflix had to put on
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this um it's something the wording of it was to like extreme violence towards
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children or something Jesus Christ yeah given the recent events of Texas is what
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it said here and then Jenner and I were both like okay well we know what's going
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to happen in this opening scene now so
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spoilers I mean it's a flashback we already knew that that happened but yeah but still
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yeah um that has it and Obi-Wan now has it too did we talk about that last week
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Obi-Wan has the same warning now because yeah if you remember what the opening
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sequence of the Obi-Wan was of course yep it also has a warning now you are
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about to see in two seconds you're about to see a bunch of children be attacked
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little kids running yeah for their lives
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yeah yeah wow so true [ __ ] me I mean if you're going to put a warning about
25:00
anything I guess that that is quite traumatic yeah oh The Stranger Things
25:04
One in particular I was like and you know what I probably wouldn't even have
25:08
thought of it but because it had the warning and then I saw the scene I was
25:12
like yeah jeez I yeah warranted on the nose yeah yeah yeah yeah not spoiler
25:19
it's literally the opening scene for a flashback yeah and they and they warn
25:23
you about it yes it's not before you watch the show anyway I also had a
25:27
little look of something this week because I've talked on this
25:30
podcast before about my love of the docu series the staircase yes and so I
25:35
decided to check out the drama series that they've just made which stars Colin
25:40
fth and Tony Colette and uh it's quite good it's
25:46
quite good it another one of those ones where I was like I'll watch the first
25:49
episode just to kind of Judge the tone of it and ended up binging the entire
25:53
show it's not very long I think it's six or seven episodes so I have questions
25:57
about it is it yeah set around the court case or is it set around the it's set
26:03
around the murder itself or the the the the incident itself flashbacks before
26:10
the incident the trial and the involvement of the documentary crew the
26:16
documentary crew are all characters in this so how do they address the fact
26:20
that we don't really know what happened ah in a very interesting way if if you want to
26:27
know see I don't know maybe I I'll be back in a minute but you decide oh we've
26:33
bored L he's leaving yeah we F he's gotten Jack of us it's
26:39
taken us almost 500 episodes for him to just be like I didn't watch that show
26:42
guys [ __ ] off don't care about the staircase or any murder
26:46
show he's gone pretty fast for someone who has to be on crutches so this is
26:51
clearly some kind of I always imagined the stairs were right there and he's
26:54
just jumped down them from my perspective yeah that's right yeah
26:58
um so I won't spoil it if you don't want to but there are two interesting things
27:02
that happen in in this show I probably will watch it I'll yeah okay then I
27:07
won't spoil it but but if there's something else that you're wondering
27:11
whether or not they address it it takes them a while something with wings but
27:16
yes they do yes they do yeah all right
27:20
yeah because this is after all a who who done it you
27:25
know that actually my first introduction
27:29
to the case the the story you know the real life case was a podcast criminal
27:35
yes phe Jud just about that particular aspect of it which which when you watch
27:41
the documentary they don't even really mention it because they don't mention it
27:45
at all because his lawyers said well it's a bit weird we just thought we prob
27:50
and it was still pending I think at that point too we just didn't want the jury
27:53
to have to think about it cuz it's weird so um listeners you can't see this
27:58
but Luke's camera's on Luke just left the room Luke in all his red bearded
28:02
Glory just left the room and then moments later a red cat walked in oh and
28:08
I so I mean I'm not I'm not literally saying that he's yeah a shape shifter
28:13
but I'm just saying that no one would be surprised yeah that
28:17
he probably is yeah he's like Mrs mcgonagal that's a Harry Potter
28:22
reference which one's Mrs mgon speaking of which we've got some got some
28:26
transphobia news coming up from I yeah well I was going to say I watched
28:30
something else this week too but I do want Luke to be here when we talk about
28:35
it just to prevent us from accidentally getting in trouble no it's it's because
28:42
Luke becomes strangely conservative at times sure when we're talking about
28:47
these type of of woke issues um okay and
28:54
I'm I'm just never quite sure what his stance is going to be because on one
28:58
hand he's very very reluctant for us to talk about any what's the word
29:05
uh controversial issues yes yes but then at the same time he'll say things like
29:11
well from a certain point of view Frank Lela had every right to do what he did
29:15
and it'll just blow my [ __ ] mind I'm not sure I heard Luke say that but but
29:18
he didn't say it in those exact words I'm I'm I'm paraphrasing maybe this is half his
29:23
problem maybe he's like stick to the facts boys while he's uh while we're
29:28
still waiting while we just waiting for him um I did want to mention one other
29:31
thing with obiwan that I feel like you probably spotted as well because it's
29:35
more of a technical thing is that there's some odd editing in it in
29:40
particular some odd choices around the the chase in the forest in the first
29:45
episode oh yes where I was like what is going on who who filmed this and then
29:51
edited it and went yep that looks good that's convincing yeah these two large
29:56
men chasing a small girl struggling to keep up that looks convincing to me that
30:02
was part of the 10 minutes that I had seen when I wasn't sure if I was going
30:06
to like this um and it reminded me
30:11
tonally of something more like Zena or Hercules where they just want you to
30:17
accept what they're showing you on the screen like she Ducks under a little
30:21
branch and then the bad guys like oh I can't get through we're [ __ ] yeah yeah
30:25
and it's like wait what and and they just up with her um just OD if you do
30:31
that well it it's fine it's only when you let it go I remember when when I was
30:36
making my feature film The Tail job
30:39
which you are in if you recall um Brian
30:45
the co-writer Brian and I were trying to end a Chase sequence um a car chase
30:50
sequence and we couldn't figure out how to logically end how to logically say
30:56
the chase will stop now that the pursuant will will let the chase go and
31:02
so the one of the best chases that I could possibly think of was Raiders Of
31:06
The Last Arc Indiana Jones is in a truck Nazis in trucks are chasing him right
31:11
yeah and there's a whole lot of action and then eventually he gets away do you
31:16
know how he gets away because I was baffled when I went back and watched
31:21
this I don't remember the car chasing him
31:25
skids the chase music stops and is replaced by he got away Style music oh
31:31
and he just drives away so the C they just tell Cinema language no it does not
31:38
crash it just stops the chase is over and the and the John Williams beautiful
31:42
score and and the editing and Spielberg's Spielberg's uh yeah exactly
31:47
Spielberg's Tri had joh William score your film problem Sol yeah that's right
31:52
exactly and then no but but to Luke's point we did have them crash because we
31:56
were like unless they crash they'll just when the van hits the pole I'm assuming
32:00
correct that's what we came up with at the end yeah because like when when when
32:04
a when a I think in car crush a lot of time you would be a lot safe if you just
32:10
stopped yeah sure like especially theyy to I think all the time slam on the
32:15
brakes slam on the [ __ ] brakes they will keep going a body in motion yeah
32:20
exactly we're just talking about the the chase scene in the first episode of Ian
32:24
where they chase her through the forest and how I thought that was just a little
32:30
strange did Luke just have to inject himself now I think we're gonna watch
32:34
him do it live okay right into the dick did you just go to get that so you could
32:37
do this live yes also I forgot I hadn't done it
32:43
yet all right he's got a little needle now Luke only twist it the amount you're
32:48
allowed to I stab myself it is into the dick this a part I
32:53
hate yeah I mean stab part right yeah it's the only part of it given your
32:59
I hate the where I have to shove a piece of metal into me I stab
33:04
myself and then there's the part I love stopping stabbing myself with this
33:08
smells did you just what you just smell it yeah the stuff I'm injecting myself
33:14
with smells it's quite
33:17
potent like heroin I
33:22
know oh so Luke um we were going to move
33:25
on to another topic and I insisted that we wait until you're back because you're
33:30
the moral gatekeeper of this podcast and I wanted you to be what did I miss but
33:34
also because no no no you haven't missed it we haven't started yet so last week
33:38
we talked I think it might have even been in the Afterparty but I'd love to
33:42
address this here in the main show this week Ricky jaes an actor and comedian
33:47
that we've all been fans of in the past I think that's fair to say absolutely
33:51
has I still am crucified crucified on social media this week for a clip that
33:57
was posted on Twitter of him criticizing trans women or seeming to
34:03
criticize research and you got the content making jokes making some
34:07
negative some fairly negative jokes about them yeah well negative jokes is a
34:12
hard thing because when I re watched it he actually is saying only good things
34:18
about them his language is very carefully chosen so that you can't
34:22
actually say he's criticized but that wasn't the problem because clearly he
34:26
was making fun and and I think we all accepted that and and even L you were
34:31
you were pretty quick to go to the I think he's just gone too far Matt and I
34:36
wanted proof that there's no context for this and so I went and did the the
34:41
research I watched the entire show I'll say this I'm a bit over standup comedy
34:48
in general these days watching an hour of just a guy making jokes I I don't
34:53
have the stomach for that it's not very good okay you might disagree but I just
35:00
I don't know if so I've got two things
35:03
to say number one this is very offensive
35:08
from start to finish right so sure if if you watched this and just took away he's
35:13
a trans fob you didn't watch enough of it because there's one bit where he
35:18
talks about how he can only ejaculate when he's jerking off if he's imagining
35:23
baby Hitler's corpse now if you think that is less offensive than him saying
35:28
there's differences between women and trans women then you you've just got an
35:33
agenda you know what I mean like you sure you're focusing on something that
35:36
maybe personally he is trying very hard to be very offensive but but I think
35:42
what Dan's saying is that's not he didn't just make a bunch of jokes about
35:46
that he made it's not the Ricky ja hates
35:49
trans people special right but also before he makes and in fact directly
35:56
before he makes the trans joke he makes a statement about how the show will be
36:01
made up of what he calls ironic humor which is where he says he will tell a
36:06
joke purposely the wrong way around knowing that you will know what the
36:13
right way of that joke is you laugh at the wrong bit because you know what the
36:17
right bit is and I think this does add some context to what he then says I'm
36:23
going to say one thing fair use fair use yeah well this is fair use because we're
36:26
journalists here we go welcome to my show uh it's
36:32
not a show there's no dancers or jugglers it's basically a bloke talking
36:36
um which is essentially what stand-up comedy is isn't it a bloke talking sexist
36:45
um what about all the funny female comedians like
36:51
um no no no right no no no no no I'm not
36:56
doing that okay right that was irony okay there's going to be a bit of that
37:00
throughout the show see if you can spot it okay now that's when I say some I
37:04
don't really mean for Comic effect and you as an audience you laugh at the
37:08
wrong thing cuz you know what the right thing is it's a way of starzing
37:12
attitudes like that first joke I use the oldfashioned sexist Trope that women
37:16
aren't funny now in real life I know there are loads of funny women like
37:23
um I did it again well spotted
37:26
good I I get it but look it it's it's
37:32
still the joke is still making fun of people's prej that people's Prejudice
37:37
but you're not making fun of people Prejudice you're using the fact that
37:39
people are Prejudiced and that's the joke and the problem is is people who
37:44
are prejudice they don't take it in context or anything they'll go this
37:48
person's on my side that this group of people this religion is terrible you are
37:53
100% correct but you could also argue couldn't you that those people aren't
37:57
audience that he's currently talking to what Luke's saying he's talking to
38:01
people who do know the difference because I would
38:05
say that's what we did a lot we used to do the same kind of thing a lot what
38:10
he's what he's describing as particularly is why my wife has told me
38:15
I'm not allowed to do Foreign Accents anymore because we grew up where people
38:19
like would say things like that who weren't joking and we thought it was so
38:25
ridiculous that it was funny and so we
38:28
wean it were just that but then yeah
38:34
I've had explained to me you just sound like you're saying that stuff yeah to to
38:39
anyone who doesn't know to someone who doesn't know yeah and the people who do
38:43
hear it who do think like that they think that they see everyone agrees with
38:48
me yeah so for example we used to get called certain derogatory things when we
38:53
were young so we would just call each other those derogatory things cuz we
38:56
were like that's so silly it's funny right yeah yeah but but obviously if
39:00
you're an outsider you just think we're just calling each other a bunch of fids
39:06
exactly yeah correct yeah and not Matt's not going to say the
39:11
words and neither am I but if you're wondering what they are it's all the
39:14
worst words you can think of right because we grew up in penth in the 80s
39:18
and '90s and that's what people used to
39:20
call callers yeah yeah um so I agree
39:26
with you Luke and actually as I said before I didn't find this special
39:31
particularly funny I think that's sort of also working with what I said like
39:34
this 10 years ago or longer would have been perfectly acceptable but now people
39:41
have an understanding of the repercussions and what it can do I think
39:44
that's where the outc that's like I said I've been convinced of that that's why
39:48
I've I've made an effort to stop doing like I I mean every now and then I still
39:51
slip into it I make some stupid joke when I'm talking to you guys in
39:54
particular because I feel comfortable with you guys and I'll say something and
39:56
then I'll think can we cut that out cuz it's like it's not funny unless it's you
40:01
to specifically like yes correct yeah yeah exactly and I think that was Luke's
40:05
Point as well and that's certainly what H always tells me when she was she's
40:08
like she's like not everyone is as smart as you and the boys Dan like she thinks
40:12
I'm smart you can't give everyone the bit Yeah well apparently you are I think
40:17
she's just trying to make Dan feel better about the fact that oh no my wife
40:22
does not try to make me feel better about
40:26
anything so I think you're oh Luke's got a visitor he does it's got to go back in
40:32
the fridge oh ah y she knows what would you
40:39
lucky she's there what would you do without her honestly I'd probably be
40:41
dead by now you'd be dead he'd be dead no 100% list is listen we've worried
40:47
that he was we've literally worried we have yeah called his mom we've called
40:52
his mom and she's like well I thought I thought you guys were talking to him I
40:56
haven't talked to him so I I think um I think my Takeaway on
41:02
this is yes there was a context no he's not a bigot but yes it's probably a bit
41:09
too late for this kind of humor that said I'm sure he would argue that is
41:14
important to still make fun of these and I've heard other comedians make that as
41:19
well Jerry Seinfield famously came out recently it said comedians should be
41:22
able to make fun of anything they want that's how we kind of keep the comedy
41:25
going but I've noticed it's only comedians who are saying that the
41:29
general public aren't necessarily saying oh we want comedians to still push the
41:33
envelope it's it's only comedians who are disappointed that they can no
41:37
longer make look I mean I I agree with you Matt I I've spent half my life
41:43
trying to come up with the worst things to say to make you guys laugh like now
41:48
now even you guys don't laugh at them so there's no
41:51
point we've just yeah we've finally come around as well and then
41:55
uh I mean looks been there for a while that's why mind you you guys know Jimmy
42:00
Carr right yes of course yeah so Jimmy Carr does this Great standup special
42:05
where where he says I'm going to let you judge when I've gone too far so I'm
42:11
going to start off very very mildly offensive I'm going to escalate the
42:16
offense and when you stop laughing I'll stop talking and at one point so he's
42:21
made he makes a holocaust joke and they laugh of course because he's very very
42:25
clever and in fact he does what Ricky probably wants to do it's it's very
42:30
obvious what Jimmy car means when he makes satire you know exactly why he's
42:36
Prim Time television H that's right right but nowhere near as much as the
42:41
Fallout for sure yeah yeah but the thing
42:46
is they laugh and he's like okay so the Holocaust is not off limits to you guys
42:50
apparently okay now I'll I'll try a pedophile Joe he makes that they laugh
42:54
he's like okay let's let's ramp it again so there is a there is a space I think
42:59
for that type of humor but I do agree with L that maybe I mean I didn't find this
43:04
offensive but I also didn't find I just find because of the internet now people
43:09
and because people get themselves into Echo Chambers people will take parts of
43:14
it and go look like this this sort of person sort of is it like they'll take a
43:19
bit and go look it's okay for us to say this and do this CU this person's doing
43:22
this as well and sort of justify it to themselves I think cont matters too and
43:27
it's fairly obvious that it's fairly obvious that right now is not a good time for that
43:34
topic Hill you [ __ ] die on is like yeah why why'd you go there
43:39
like if when the dust settles if you think it's still important to make a
43:43
joke about it try it then yeah go for it yeah exactly but like why like now you
43:48
know no no no the problem with the echo chamber you say then go out and say it
43:53
to others but when they go back and talk to their Echo chamber their Echo chamber
43:57
in him saying no you've done nothing wrong there is Nuance here to be
44:00
problematized and discussed but I think Matt's right also when he says now it's
44:04
just not the [ __ ] time for that topic in particular it's
44:08
it they're literally trying to figure that out in the real world it's not like
44:12
you know yeah yeah yeah and we have no there's there's no clear answer to this
44:16
other than to just let let people have the rights they ask for and see what
44:20
happens and if anything NE negative happens out of that which hasn't yet we
44:24
can deal with that as it comes yeah it's just such a raw nerve it's like you know
44:28
you he has made you know jokes about you know gay people and that kind of stuff
44:34
and it's kind of like yeah okay fine like cuz they're okay now you know what
44:38
I mean well mostly not not everywhere and not everyone I don't mean to imply
44:42
but like particularly in in the areas we live it's kind of
44:45
like you know we've all moved on and it's it's more acceptable whereas this
44:51
is still literally like the battle is going on like and I think in battles
44:56
culture battles the pendulum has to swing too far the other way before it
45:01
can settle in the center you know what I mean as I said that I was like it
45:05
probably shouldn't say that because I'm almost certainly just not aware that
45:10
people are still horrible the gay people remember it was only a few years ago in
45:13
Orlando that that person went in and shut up that gay bar yeah so there you
45:18
go so even that even on that one I'm I'm I'm inor yeah but that wasn't cuz they
45:22
were gay I mean that guy that shot up the country western concert in Las Vegas
45:26
didn't hate people hate like country western music like people are just [ __ ]
45:30
to each other that's the worst thing know like even in Scotland a lot of like
45:36
hate crime and people got and Street just to bash people and stuff so it
45:40
still is a thing it's just Scotland is still very straight white males we don't
45:45
experience any of this that's true not since the 80s and '90s and even then it
45:51
wasn't yeah they were just calling a that name no I know no and you know what
45:55
I didn't care because I wasn't any of the stupid things exactly it it didn't
45:59
it hurt us cuz we were being bullied but it didn't hurt us because they were
46:03
attacking our very absolutely and it was just just calling us a name they weren't
46:07
following up with what was happening to a lot of other people during that time
46:11
and getting the [ __ ] kicked out of you yes I I got bashed a couple times but
46:15
that was mostly because my girlfriend at the time told them that I was going to
46:19
bash them oh no offense mat but she wasn't the best girlfriend you've had no
46:26
we wait which one are you talking about oh wait which one are you talking about
46:30
I'm talking about Nikki oh I just assumed it was that other she went to
46:35
Kingswood high and apparently cuz she was you know she was a freak like we
46:40
were and uh she told a bunch of the the homies at kingsw if they didn't leave
46:45
her alone I would bash them didn't tell me that and so I I stopped in there to
46:50
see one day that's quite sweet actually in a way yeah but she should have warned
46:55
you yeah that would have been nice yeah and so I stopped in there one
46:58
morning on the way to school say Hi and then as I was leaving the school they
47:03
bashed me cuz the problem withies is they do stuff in
47:08
groups what and and I was just me yes yeah so yeah yeah I mean look I was fine
47:15
but they they they did have well I mean you would have been more fine if they
47:18
hadn't bashed you yeah yeah exactly
47:23
yeah um speaking of bullies um and Star
47:27
Wars um there is a there is a person of color in this Star Wars as there are in
47:32
most Star Wars and um as in as in most instances um since in the modern era at
47:39
least she's getting bullied online which is so I don't understand it I I don't
47:45
understand it either the only thing I would say about this is that that before
47:49
this came out I did see a bunch of Articles talking about how she'd been
47:53
warned that she was going to be bullied and I was like don't print all that [ __ ]
47:56
[ __ ] like now it's a self-fulfilling prophecy don't give people ideas like it
48:01
was going to happen anyway people just [ __ ] with not it when did it when did we
48:05
establish that it should only be white people in Star Wars like no one I'm sure
48:11
no one bullied Billy D Williams Wait you you remember when we decided that then
48:16
it was on this show I reckon Billy D William probably would have CAU some hate back then
48:21
Ean if he did if there was social media he certainly would now no I just right I
48:27
don't understand how people's minds work because I watched it and went okay she's
48:30
playing B inquisitors whereas people have gone oh she's black she's black
48:34
she's black I know and I'm what didn't even I didn't even think of it it's
48:38
[ __ ] weird it's weird that you think of that when you watch a show you that
48:42
person's not the same color there are so many things to notice before you get to
48:46
that I mean she's got a [ __ ] she's got a laser sword that guy gu green who
48:52
gives a [ __ ] like [ __ ] off yeah I don't I don't get it
48:57
so weird but yeah oh well it's just an excuse just an excuse to be a [ __ ] but
49:03
who who sits around looking for excuses to hate black people racists I guess I
49:08
guess I don't know but I don't know it's 2020 man I know like yeah didn't even
49:14
occur like it didn't even occur the only time I only and I only became aware of
49:17
it wday actually she came out and she posted some of the stuff she's been
49:20
getting in you and McGregor came out and went kamonga it's like really yeah yeah
49:26
yeah I know youan McGregor who's like obv one of the most loved actors in the
49:31
Star Wars cannon he came out and said if if you're one of the people that has
49:35
posted racist stuff online I don't consider you a Star Wars fan I think
49:39
that's if you if you and McGregor said that to me i' I'd be burned you know what I mean
49:45
so humor oh that's right did you ask him out or
49:52
just just actually I met him once too but I mean in Far Far
49:58
lesser meaningful context than have I met him no I don't think when I met him
50:02
he was learning it was just as he was Landing uh Star Destroyer or whatever
50:07
they were calling their Capital ships back then on corusant oh far less far less dramatic
50:13
then mind you he was on a Harley Davidson when I met him yeah wow well I
50:18
was cuz I was I was working at Fox Studios I was just a [ __ ] Backlot mon
50:23
when he was filming Star Wars but um he would he brought his bike him cuz he's a
50:27
motorcycle Enthusiast so he would just he got in a lot of trouble and he had to
50:31
fight to be able to ride to work each day cuz they were going Insurance way
50:36
riding yeah yeah that's right but also he would just ride around the lot the
50:41
back lot right um and I was walking with this friend of mine once who I I didn't
50:45
even know I knew he rode a bike but I didn't know that people who ride bikes
50:49
know the other people who ride bikes because um Yan was parking his hog and
50:54
then my mate was like hey Yan and he's like like oh hey Simon how you going and
50:58
I was like are you [ __ ] serious he's like oh yeah it's KN him from [ __ ]
51:02
you know bike for being aik they probably yeah I guess so right yeah and
51:08
he was like oh you got bik nice I like bikes too
51:13
yeah yeah I did read I read that the actually the the the actress playing rev
51:19
um apparently cut him off or something on the way to the studio and then she
51:24
she cut off someone on a bike and realized and went oh God I hope that
51:28
guy's not following me cuz she pulled in the studio and it was you and McGregor
51:31
and she was like oh and then she said he just was like oh good morning didn't say
51:35
anything do you know I I got followed home by a biky once for cutting him off
51:40
really yeah In Summer Hill and um cut off this bike I OB obviously didn't mean
51:46
to and then was very aware he was following me so I pulled up at a parking lot of a
51:53
wallworth hopefully that has made you become more aware it really has and he
51:59
and and he pulled up beside me and he got off his [ __ ] bike and he yelled
52:02
at me MH yeah I and I humbly I humbly took the criticism I don't know if I've
52:08
talked about this on the podcast before I read an article that was really
52:10
fascinating it was about this and it was about how you know when you drive like
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if you drive to work in the morning sometimes you get to lunch you be like I
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don't remember driving oh yes that incompetent competent thing that you do
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stuff you do it on autopilot right and because hum are patent recognition
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machines so what it said was that the reason more people on bikes get here is
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not because necessarily people are like [ __ ] you you're on a bike it's because
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when you pull up to an intersection your mind you got the radio on you're singing
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along you your brains looks and it goes any cars coming no and then you pull out
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because your brain and your brain's like oh you didn't say bikes like I wasn't
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looking for a thing that looks like a I was looking for two headlights I didn't
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see two headlights and so that's apparently like like they've done
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studies where it's like people will literally just say oh I didn't see him
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and they're not lying their brain just filtered it out proc that someone who
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rides well I don't ride a motorcycle I ride a scooter because I can't that's a
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motorcycle it is terrifying when people just pull out in front of you just move
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yeah yeah yeah I know and I and and I'm I if I hadn't read this article I'd
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probably be less charitable about it but apparently it's literally just like
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they're just not looking for you they're looking for a they don't see a car and a
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lot of people like will complain that oh it's because motorcycles moving in and
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out of traffic they they sort of we sometimes there are some people who do
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that sometimes for the most part we we don't the only time we will do that is
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at light and it's called Lane filtering and that's when you're stopped you're
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allowed to do that though yeah yeah but there are people who do I've seen a lot
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of YouTube videos where people I think in California you're allowed to do that
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while you're literally driving along a highway which is seems crazy to me
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hold on hold on before you move on I just want to I just want to make one
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comment to what Matt said that autopilot that you've just described there's this
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professor in the 70s called Julian Jane Dr Julian Jane who wrote this immense
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book called the development of Consciousness in the breakdown of the
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bamal Mind where he posits that up until a certain point in human development and
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he he says it's about 3,000 years ago so there's eons of time before that
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obviously with human beings he said that was the way we all thought about
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everything right and that this kind of very very conscious self-aware mind is a
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very very new Ur a new phenomenon to us that makes sense Yeah so basically the
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kind of Hunter gather eras it was people going around looking for berries and
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[ __ ] clubbing or whatever they're doing it's it's all just reacting and if
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the if you heard a voice in your head you would just assume that it was Spirit
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of the river talking to you or something you would not know to think that's a
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thought in my brain you get into like four groups there's incompetent
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unconscious uh mhm competent conscious incompetent conscious and competent
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incompetent UNC where you want to be is competent and conscious but the problem
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is is like with the driving thing that's where you become competent but
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unconscious so you know what you're doing sh that is that autopilot thing
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that you're not thinking about anymore you're not worried about it CU this is
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just what you do well Matt will know this as a musician if the second you
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start thinking about where you put your fingers on that fretboard you'll [ __ ] up
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if you just play sure yeah you'll play as soon as you start going what comes
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next nah now you're [ __ ] mhm maybe not you cuz you're an excellent guitarist
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but for me like if I'm in the zone if I'm in the zone Once Upon I still
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remember one day we're playing a ball game you go wait I've got to just
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rehearse from my show you picked up a played like for like 10 seconds went yep
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all okay I'm ready and then went back to playing the
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game that just that's just evidence that I'm lazy yeah it doesn't sound like much of
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a rehearsal M but I've seen your live shows and they were excellent to oh
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thank you I never have and you never will cuz now I'm old I don't ever [Laughter]
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been some people don't you know you said if you heard a voice in your head some
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people don't some people don't have internal di monologue internal dialogue
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I learned from an article and it's not 50/50 it's it's most I think I think on
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average most people do like you know you you know when you think about something
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you kind of have a conversation that does the voice sound like you or does it
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not I think it sounds like me but but like you know you know you think in sentences
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right some people don't they just have they just have abstract thoughts yeah
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yeah yeah and I was like [ __ ] what's that but also I cannot know how can you explain
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how you're thinking what's going to someone else it just it's hard to
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explain that's a fair point yes you've got to you've got a create maybe I don't
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have what everyone else has and I'm I just think I do yeah I was about to say
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I bet Ricky jaes doesn't have the the conversation with himself um based on
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his comedy but then I suddenly remembered one of the Xfm episodes where
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kyl pilton says to Ricky when you think do you think in your own accent and
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Ricky was like what the [ __ ] are you talking about [ __ ] and he was like well
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I've got a Manchester accent when I talk but I've also got a Manchester accent
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when I think and Ricky was like you're an idiot and it's just occurred to me
57:41
maybe Ricky doesn't think in full sentences
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maybe like obviously I don't always but if I'm like if I stop and I'm having a
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think about something I will yeah sort of do it in I just keep talking until
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like what I'm saying I'll start a sentence and it's
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friend iend I try to stop doing that I had a friend once back in the '90s uh in
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high school who had escaped from the Yugoslavian war and um basically she had
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lived in all of the different countries that represented the the former
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Yugoslavia and she spoke Slavic and Bosnian and Russian and and Croatian and
58:21
all of these different things right to the point where she didn't have a native
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language she just spoke but I her what language do you think and
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she had consider it she could and eventually she was like Russian I was
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like huh there you go that's interesting and also what does she her dream on what
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you said Luke about how you just keep talking until you fig things out I think
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I tend to do that too and it's one of the things I I want to I wish I could
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stop was just talking too soon before I've F especially you know in a work
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situation or something I'm too eager to start talking before
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form and one of the things I worked with a guy in syney who one of the things
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that I was like this gu's [ __ ] rad because if you asked him a question he
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would just stay silent sometimes for like minutes at a time yeah until he had
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something say until he knew exactly what he wanted to say and then he would just
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say that and I was like [ __ ] that's awesome you know who would I agree with
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that he just he just he just like it's an enviable quality just yeah
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exactly you know we've got in common with the flat earthers they don't
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think they they'll ask a question and someone will go to explain it and
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they'll be one sentence in and you know the explanation is going to be like we
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need to explain this it's not just a onew answer but they'll say one sentence
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and then they quickly straight well no no but you got to think of this now they
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have to back up if you stop and listen to the full explanation I can explain it
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oh I definitely do that because I am incredibly reactionary so if you start
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saying something I'll start talking in fence before you've even got your the
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thing is you may what they may say you may actually be about to agree with but
1:00:01
because you're not waiting for it and now I've ruined it because I've already
1:00:05
turned it into an argument but back to bikes I watched a
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movie that involved go on go on bike
1:00:14
movie Tom Cruz on a bike Top Gun oh
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Maverick oh yeah one thing wait you watch the new
1:00:24
one oh actually quite good it's just
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yeah I want to watch this it's it's fun it's a modern day 80s movie like it's
1:00:34
and it even goes back to the original Top Gun like you're just fighting
1:00:37
generic enemy it's the same here we're fighting generic enemy could be I think
1:00:42
it's I think it's I think it's Russia in the first the first one they don't say
1:00:46
who it's implied they just say Bogies they say a bunch of guys in migs wink
1:00:51
yeah right well the fair enough but no but I'll hammer your sickle generic
1:00:58
enemy the one thing I found quite weird was he was riding he's riding his
1:01:01
motorcycle doing the whole thing where Chase jet but just riding it
1:01:04
around in general no helmet and I just that stuck out to me then it's then it's
1:01:10
not Tom Cruz mate hang on you haven't spent enough time in America if you
1:01:14
think if you think that's unusual really nobody on a bike wears a [ __ ] helmet
1:01:19
here and it it's like Bing to me terrifying asri say nobody I have
1:01:24
friends who ride who ride who do wear helmets but I see so many people like
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driving down the [ __ ] highway at 100 mph on a highley singlet [ __ ] shorts
1:01:35
thumbs no helmet [ __ ] just cruising I all the time I just don't understand
1:01:41
that there's no laws I know try and try and enact a law go on dare you yeah the
1:01:48
laws we've got will fight to the death over but the ones that you think are
1:01:52
relevant now [ __ ] off oh they want to take my guns away and put a helmet on me
1:01:56
that's interesting Luke that you say that because I that's a movie about
1:02:00
planes obviously arguably but but you still have to have Tom Cruz on a
1:02:05
motorbike and I watched Days of Thunder last week which is a movie about cars
1:02:09
arguably but he still rides onto the NASCAR track on a motorbike I think he's
1:02:16
just one of like no helmet he looks [ __ ] good on a bike
1:02:20
and if you want to get him in there just put him and you wouldn't put a helmet on
1:02:24
but I will say like the Top Gun it's pretty good they do I always
1:02:30
wondered like how they're going to make out that he's still in the Navy because
1:02:34
and they s the story that they went with sort of I think explained it well he was
1:02:39
still in the Navy still a pilot it's just a captain cuz he was a test
1:02:42
pilot cuz he doesn't want the responsibilities he doesn't want to go
1:02:45
up so say Lev and a test pilot would sort of make sense because well we're
1:02:49
not going to send this old guy to war or anything and or active duty so yeah yeah
1:02:53
you're not Frontline he can risk his life flying these new planes and yeah
1:02:58
but no I recommend watching it it's a but I hope they don't go back and TR do
1:03:03
sequ to a lot more' 80s movies I just just because this one worked doesn't
1:03:07
mean others will oh right they almost certainly will now probably are already
1:03:12
yeah yeah I was going to say several just entered development you want to
1:03:15
know an interesting fact about the Singaporean Air Force don't in Singapore
1:03:20
they have mandatory military service right sure so you turn 18 you do two
1:03:24
years in the military and then you do I think it's a month a year until you're
1:03:28
40 right yeah a lot of European countries do that too yeah yeah actually
1:03:32
there are some some some pros to it and now that I wouldn't have to do it
1:03:35
because I'm too old I might even vote to bring it in but
1:03:40
uh but when you join and you have to join you get to choose whether you do
1:03:46
Army Navy Air Force whether you do intelligence whether you do mil military
1:03:50
police and I say choose but you you get
1:03:53
coached to where you should how much ofice
1:03:59
get yeah and there's more than others yeah exactly well actually probably is a
1:04:04
bit like that um if you
1:04:08
are Malaysian or Indonesian by Heritage you are not allowed to join the Air
1:04:13
Force because the air force is the first line of defense in a war if it was to
1:04:19
break out the Air Force go in first and Singapore knows that even though they're
1:04:23
py Wellies with all of their neighbors in southeast Asia if they were going to
1:04:26
go to war with anyone it would probably be Malaysia or Indonesia for whatever
1:04:31
reason right so no Malaysians or Indonesians are allowed to join the Air
1:04:35
Force just in case they like turn the plan just in case correct yeah right or
1:04:41
don't want to fly or whatever sure yeah yeah yeah or just hang back and shoot at
1:04:45
you wingman yeah yeah yeah any number of undesirable
1:04:51
uh scenarios now to to be clear they've never been at war with either of those
1:04:55
two countries complete peace treat they're just being practical well
1:05:00
pragmatic that yeah and there's yeah pragmatic is is is the way to describe
1:05:03
literally everything that happens in Singapore so that doesn't make sense if
1:05:06
something happens in Singapore there is a reason for if anyone pretty much if
1:05:09
anyone was sort of going to evade it's either going to be those neighbors or
1:05:14
don't be aware of it because their neighbors have already been
1:05:18
invaded that's yeah cuz the Japanese have come down again through Malaya likely the last
1:05:24
time just brief talking about cars and stuff I put in under the under car news
1:05:29
which is a we have car news as a segment yeah yeah yeah go down no look this is a
1:05:34
car that Luke expressed I want this car I've seen now do you want this
1:05:39
version this does look a little different and it is an e car as well
1:05:44
right this is the new DeLorean it's an electronic it is very
1:05:49
pretty yeah it looks cool looks cool yeah I I want this car wi doors as they
1:05:56
call them all right okay that's what I wanted to know it does look enough like
1:06:00
the old DeLorean that you could still say it's a DeLorean sure but it looks
1:06:05
very very contemporary doesn't it it's I would argue that the Cyber truck looks
1:06:10
more like the old DeLorean I would say the same thing too oh man I saw that
1:06:15
there's another uh another camper add-on for the Cyber truck that
1:06:21
is just ridiculous it basically just goes straight up so you got a couple of
1:06:25
stories when you go camping yeah yeah yeah I guess you sleep at the top of
1:06:29
your kids down there and then a little kitchenette or something I'm interested
1:06:32
to find out how much the DeLorean would cost DeLorean more than so this just a
1:06:38
concept but they've released some um you know some images oh yeah I mean these
1:06:42
are pre-rendered real um and then you know like these kind of like blueprint
1:06:46
looking and they are sort of taking you can sign up to sort of be notified when
1:06:50
they've got more information and exactly and yeah so number one
1:06:56
this will this will come to Australia if at all years from now oh absolutely
1:07:01
maybe Never B it will be prohibitively expensive um yeah I would say so it's
1:07:06
sort of not like I could couldn't easily buy but like about
1:07:12
100,000 in austr you can get a decent electric vehicle it's not impossible really they
1:07:19
that much oh yeah yeah the the the cheapest Tesla is over 100 Grand Matt
1:07:23
for sure cuz I was looking at um you know we talked the other week about the
1:07:27
cybertruck versus the you know the new electric Silverado the the Chevy and
1:07:32
then the other day I forget why I ended up on uh cuz Ford's got the new F-150
1:07:37
which is electric and I'm just looking on here now that's 40,000 starting at
1:07:41
40,000 all electric oh I know why I looked because I was watching that rust
1:07:46
valley restorers and somebody had the new electric Mustang and I was like how
1:07:50
much are those they're 43 and um I was like which still sounds
1:07:56
cheap to me because I'm from Australia yeah I was about to say that's about 70
1:07:59
or 80 grand Australian any anyway right to begin with that's fair and and that
1:08:04
would be 100 here because I'll tell you and the other thing about the the
1:08:08
electric Mustang It's actually an SUV which is [ __ ] weird yeah like Ferrari
1:08:14
have an SUV coming do they yes now now
1:08:19
two years ago 20 2021 I think there was CEO Ferrari said he'd rather be dead than see
1:08:26
SUV on the Ferrari line um he has since been replaced and now they have no he
1:08:31
didn't die but he's he doesn't he's not the CEO anymore but he um far now have
1:08:36
their SUV because SUVs are the what sells pors they're everywhere here I see them
1:08:42
all the time the cayen are nice the Maan from the Porsche is even nicer I like
1:08:46
the the little one I kind of want one of them mind you they're 100 Grand here
1:08:50
like so [ __ ] expensive even Lamborghini have a SUV I saw one of those parked at call the
1:08:56
other day yeah Lamborghini SUV I've signed up for the DeLorean oh you signed
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find something always talk about we got lots of stuff I I kind of feel like we
1:09:41
should let Luke pick some topics because we've AB we've been kind of uh' had some
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downers let's let Luke pick some positive topics for the Afterparty if if
1:09:51
that's all right I'm sure he'll want to talk about Kevin spy yeah ja just
1:09:56
always to talk about those guys apparently been been having to go
1:10:03
at women that's a sad one that's a sad one yeah pick any one of those or or you
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