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Scamanda Recap: "An Facebook Thumbs Down That Changed Everything" · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Drama, Darling Drama, Darling Drama, Darling.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome in. Today is a very special episode.
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  Speaker 2: We are going to be talking about the Scamanda documentary
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  Speaker 2: series that is on Netflix. Is it Hulu?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you?
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  Speaker 2: Don't know where I've been watching it? Thank you, Emily,
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  Speaker 2: Emily teresis everybody the crowd goes wild?
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  Speaker 3: Oh so wild.
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  Speaker 2: We listened to the original podcast probably about a year ago.
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  Speaker 2: Emily had probably listened to it. How long ago when
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  Speaker 2: it first hit the podcast came out, you knew of it,
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  Speaker 2: and you has told me about it, which I listened
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  Speaker 2: to it eventually. So when did you listen to the podcast?
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  Speaker 3: I've listened twenty three? Is? I think when it came out? Okay,
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  Speaker 3: full disclosure. I have a full time group text thread
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  Speaker 3: dedicated to just finding Munchausen adjacent news stories. So I
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  Speaker 3: was alerted right away. I think Jessica Joy, friend of
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  Speaker 3: the pod, probably yeah, or somebody in the in the
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  Speaker 3: text thread that I'm in, and we are just we
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  Speaker 3: are dedicated to these kinds of stories because we've been
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  Speaker 3: touched by one such story that has not made the
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  Speaker 3: light of day yet.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Foreshadowing to cut to Emily as a talking head
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  Speaker 2: on who Lo's next documentary. Now that brings me to
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  Speaker 2: my next question, because obviously we know who the whistleblower was,
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  Speaker 2: and this is obviously going to be complete spoiler for everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I assume you've seen it. If not, you can just
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  Speaker 2: ride along with us. But the incredible Lady of the
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  Speaker 2: hour is Lisa Barry and she actually said that she
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  Speaker 2: found a post from Nancy from Yes, Nancy the detective.
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  Speaker 3: Right, she's the reprostigator, Yeah, investigative journalist.
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  Speaker 2: So she's the one. Lisa saw the post on a
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  Speaker 2: group looking for interesting stories about people who have scammed
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  Speaker 2: and where she saw the story was in a group
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  Speaker 2: called people who Fake Cancer Scams or something like that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, Lisa, I think you started this group.
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  Speaker 2: I'm guessing, And Emily, I'm guessing you were in this group.
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  Speaker 3: I cannot believe Lisa is not in our text group. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we are willing to add one new member. Lisa, if
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  Speaker 3: you're listening, please let us know well. And Nancy Muscatello,
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  Speaker 3: we would also really like an audience with you, especially.
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  Speaker 2: And Charlie Webster, the original woman who brought this podcast
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  Speaker 2: to the forefront, because she partnered with Nancy. Yes, so
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  Speaker 2: those are the big players. And throughout this now that
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  Speaker 2: we you know, we listened to the podcasts that gave
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  Speaker 2: us a great foundation, and now here we are with
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  Speaker 2: the amazing documentary series which you've got all the great
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  Speaker 2: talking heads here. You've got Charlie, You've got Nancy, you've
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  Speaker 2: got Lisa Barry, you have all some some ex friends
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  Speaker 2: coming out of the woodwork from the church that she
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  Speaker 2: was a part of, the Family Community Church, the Mega
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  Speaker 2: Church she has, uh, there are several different people that
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  Speaker 2: come to the forefront and get come out of the woodwork.
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  Speaker 2: And really this was the first time that Lisa Barry
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  Speaker 2: actually decided to put her name out there as the
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  Speaker 2: one who was in fact the whistleblower, because she was
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  Speaker 2: the anonymous source the entire time that the podcast was
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  Speaker 2: going on.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. It's interesting too. I would say, if you
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  Speaker 3: loved the docu series, absolutely listened to the podcast because
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  Speaker 3: I went back and listened after watching and I could
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  Speaker 3: I forgot a lot of things and it's much more
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  Speaker 3: dense and it's really well put together. But one thing
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  Speaker 3: that with like Lisa and not exposing herself in the podcast,
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  Speaker 3: but exposing herself on the series. Is that I remember,
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  Speaker 3: and still people are afraid of Amanda Riley still to
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  Speaker 3: this day and Corey Riley. So there are still a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people that are taking they that are trying
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  Speaker 3: to press charges, but they don't want, you know, to
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  Speaker 3: publicly be in the line of fire of them, even
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  Speaker 3: though Amanda is in prison. So that is crazy to me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, she she was released and she she's like she's
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  Speaker 2: in a re entry facility of some sort I'm guessing
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  Speaker 2: like a halfway house or something along those lines. So
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how long she is going to be
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  Speaker 2: there for, but she's not completely behind bars, but she's
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  Speaker 2: she's on her way.
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  Speaker 3: Right after the podcast came out, people were still leary,
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  Speaker 3: and then when the series, the docu series was coming out,
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  Speaker 3: people didn't want to talk. So it was still pretty brave,
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  Speaker 3: I guess for people to talk on cameras.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy that they would still be scared about this
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  Speaker 2: little lady who's now been completely exposed on multiple platforms
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  Speaker 2: like that she would even have and she's been charged,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean now she.
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  Speaker 3: Was still doing it. That's the crazy thing.
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  Speaker 2: Emily, Like, I don't know how I missed this on
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  Speaker 2: the podcast. But when we were you know, this documentary series,
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  Speaker 2: when she finally like the irs was onto her, they
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  Speaker 2: were poking around the megature, which was starting to you know,
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  Speaker 2: be like, we're not going to give her any more donations.
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  Speaker 2: So we was starting to get it was bubbling over
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  Speaker 2: and the fact that she sort of disappeared from the church,
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  Speaker 2: got a job as a principal at an elementary school
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  Speaker 2: and then started again with I have cancer too, right
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  Speaker 2: I can't.
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  Speaker 3: And well yeah, and then taking donations from the other
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  Speaker 3: woman that actually had cancer. They split all those donations.
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  Speaker 3: That woman died, Miss Cindy, Miss Cindy. But like so
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  Speaker 3: that was in Gilroy, which was about forty five minutes
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  Speaker 3: from San Jose. Then in like twenty twenty, they had
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  Speaker 3: moved to Texas. This story was on the news, and
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  Speaker 3: I guess in Texas they do in the hospital system
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  Speaker 3: talk to each other across hospitals, which they don't do
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  Speaker 3: in California yet, And they flagged her in Texas and
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  Speaker 3: then they looked her up and it was like she
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  Speaker 3: was trying it in Texas.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so like she is.
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  Speaker 3: Like the judge said, she will not stop, She will
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  Speaker 3: not stop.
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  Speaker 2: No, and and so and for that matter, and which
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  Speaker 2: is the judge gave her a very serious he gave
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  Speaker 2: her five years, which.
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  Speaker 3: Is she gave her five years.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. She yes, thank you, thank you. I have
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  Speaker 2: to mention that well, doctor Judy Hoo, who's a clinical
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  Speaker 2: and forensic neuropsychologist, said, you know on this documentary series
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  Speaker 2: that you know, we know this as a munch house.
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  Speaker 2: We we've called this Munchausen in the past. It is
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  Speaker 2: no longer really referred that way. They call it fictitious disorder.
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  Speaker 3: And there she said, doctor host sat down, that's the
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  Speaker 3: one that was like texting with the color palette up
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  Speaker 3: or the leanne lock in eyeshadow square to get the
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  Speaker 3: color correction. And she's like texting and it was like,
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  Speaker 3: excuse me, we're not going to record you now. Remember
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  Speaker 3: that in the documentary. Yeah, like too busy to sit
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  Speaker 3: down and do this.
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  Speaker 2: She's she's a woman who is working, honey on the go,
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  Speaker 2: Yeah she is, but she you know, she made it
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  Speaker 2: clear and I appreciate that because it really isn't like
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  Speaker 2: Munchausen is an old term, you know, so it's Munchausen related,
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  Speaker 2: but but really we and in fact, I knew this
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  Speaker 2: because my now fictitious disorder.
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  Speaker 3: Well factitious disorder imposed on self or right, factitious imposed
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  Speaker 3: on others, the byproxy. Sorry what we're going to say?
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  Speaker 2: She yes, and she just vicked fictitious disorder because she
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  Speaker 2: didn't impose onny anybody else, imposed on herself. Yeah, she
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  Speaker 2: imposed it on herself. She didn't impose it on anyone else. Well,
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  Speaker 2: my therapist. The only reason why I knew about it
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  Speaker 2: being called something different is because my therapist at some
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  Speaker 2: point told me that, and I was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know that.
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  Speaker 3: I will say, I watched that twice and you can
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  Speaker 3: keep this or not. She doesn't clarify. She says it's
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  Speaker 3: under the category effectitious disorder. It's called Munchausen or Munchausen
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  Speaker 3: by proxy. And I watched it twice because I was like,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not called that anymore. Why is she saying that?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, so I didn't understand that in the doctors.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't very clear because she kept she did
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  Speaker 2: say Munchausen related, But I think that, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: can only say for my own self what my therapist
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  Speaker 2: told me. And it's like, you know, how they start
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  Speaker 2: to have new titles for conditions, mental conditions and things
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  Speaker 2: like that, So.
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  Speaker 3: That factitious disorder is so much better than Munchausen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know why they are changing it.
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  Speaker 3: But Munchausen is like an old fake character that would
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  Speaker 3: like make up stories like it's an old like eighteen
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  Speaker 3: hundreds or something fairy tale things.
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  Speaker 2: Well that makes sense. That does sound like I mean
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  Speaker 2: it does. It sounds like what tangled with the long hair?
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  Speaker 2: And that the gold the Guyspunzel Rapunzel, Like who's the
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  Speaker 2: one spinning the gold? Yeah, maybe that's a different one. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: it sounds like he's Munchausen. You know, I agree.
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  Speaker 3: Because like if somebody said you have a factish like
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  Speaker 3: you have a disorder with facts, that's so much more
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  Speaker 3: like whoa instead of like oh you're like, oh no
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  Speaker 3: crazy yeah, German cancer in a hut.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And and doctor Judyo said that this is their
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  Speaker 2: way of feeling special and important is through a pretend illness.
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  Speaker 2: So when we start to look at it through that lens, Emily,
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  Speaker 2: it makes so much more sense. When we learn that
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  Speaker 2: she leaves this church, she goes to this elementary school
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  Speaker 2: the second the day that she found out that this
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  Speaker 2: Cindy woman's cancer came back and they had a fundraiser.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. The day she found out that they had
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  Speaker 2: a fundraiser for Cindy at the school the literal next day,
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  Speaker 2: the actual next day, she said, my cancer came back
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  Speaker 2: to and that's how bad. Like, that's the that is
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  Speaker 2: the illness.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what she did to Linda. Early on in
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  Speaker 3: twenty ten, Linda had some connection some family or friend
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  Speaker 3: that had it. And then the next day, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: She did the same thing, right, like Linda, Yeah, she
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  Speaker 2: found out that they had a fundraiser right for this
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  Speaker 2: person in the community, and they raised a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: And then she was like, I have cancer too. I've
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  Speaker 2: just been diagnosed. And that's why I just think this
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  Speaker 2: is for me when I look at this, I don't
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  Speaker 2: understand why this person isn't in a mental institution, in
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  Speaker 2: a hospital that is caring for her mental health, because
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  Speaker 2: this is not normal, and why they didn't use the
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  Speaker 2: insanity plea here. This is what because this is truly
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  Speaker 2: an illness of the brain. It's a scam, of course,
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  Speaker 2: it's a scam, and everyone's like, how could this horrible
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  Speaker 2: person do this? Well, yes, of course she's a horrible person. However,
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  Speaker 2: it comes from a place of mental instability and a
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  Speaker 2: major mental health condition, which is that she is completely
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  Speaker 2: obsessed with being a victim and being sick and therefore
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  Speaker 2: taking advantage of people to get the attention and love
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  Speaker 2: that way. It's not normal.
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  Speaker 3: No, but I mean, I don't think you can institutionalize her.
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  Speaker 3: I think she's just going to go back to prison
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  Speaker 3: again because she will keep doing it, because that's what
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  Speaker 3: she willaught about it.
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  Speaker 2: Because like, and this is where I have you know,
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  Speaker 2: we all have issues with like the way prison is
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  Speaker 2: and the way mental health is, and because I mean,
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  Speaker 2: most people who commit crimes are probably mentally unwell, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But then there's also the burden is also on us,
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  Speaker 3: and we should take that burden on because it's in
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  Speaker 3: some way in terms of like I don't blame the victims,
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  Speaker 3: I'm but I I am. But no, I'm just saying,
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  Speaker 3: get it. It's sometimes helpful, like you could google her
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  Speaker 3: at some of these points and figure this out, and
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  Speaker 3: we can google her now, So I'm not saying like
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  Speaker 3: the first ten years of her doing it were but
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  Speaker 3: now that we know, now that she's in the system.
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  Speaker 3: We if you see a charity for her or you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean, like I mean, or in general,
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  Speaker 3: like a charity, like if you're going to donate money,
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  Speaker 3: maybe look around a little bit, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know that I agree, now, you know,
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  Speaker 2: But when you're in a church, Yeah, you're in a
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  Speaker 2: church like that, and you're believing like whoever would take
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  Speaker 2: advantage of church members like that? You know what I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Like yeah, up on the sorry to laugh, but like
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  Speaker 2: you're up on the pulpit. And by the way, when
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  Speaker 2: you texted me that line that she said, don't ignore
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  Speaker 2: Jesus because he is always there and it would be
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  Speaker 2: unfortunate if he brought you your miracle and you weren't watching.
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  Speaker 2: And then like the guy who was interviewing her is
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  Speaker 2: like Mike dropping. And the way that she delivers that
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  Speaker 2: is just like so angry, you know, and it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you can tell she's really overcompensating for what she's covering up.
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  Speaker 2: But to sit on the pulpit like that and to
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  Speaker 2: say that Jesus is like bringing you a miracle his
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  Speaker 2: next level terrible.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah it is, and she is. And I guess that's
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying is like, now we know about her,
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  Speaker 3: so I don't know if we can I think we
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  Speaker 3: just have to keep prosecuting her. When you have an
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  Speaker 3: Amanda Riley in your life and you don't realize it yet,
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  Speaker 3: you can't really prosecute them like until you have enough evidence,
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  Speaker 3: and that is really hard.
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  Speaker 2: The lesson is, I mean, you got answer questions, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean you really do. Like But the other thing
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  Speaker 2: is also at the end here when they told us
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  Speaker 2: that when she was in prison, Charlie told us that
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  Speaker 2: she went to the emergency twenty four times, like she
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  Speaker 2: was in prison. Charlie did an interview with her on
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  Speaker 2: the phone because she allowed it. Yeah, she learned that
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  Speaker 2: she like had health issues in prison, has been there
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  Speaker 2: twenty four times. So it's continuing in prison, which shows
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  Speaker 2: me that she has the fictitious disorder more so than
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  Speaker 2: the scamming disorder. Do you know what I'm saying? Like,
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  Speaker 2: it's like the fictitious disorder coms first, and the scamming
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  Speaker 2: the money is a part of that. That's a really ugly, nasty,
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  Speaker 2: nasty little thing.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I almost because it wasn't it when you really
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  Speaker 3: look at it, It wasn't. They didn't say this in
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  Speaker 3: the documentary, but they said it in the podcast. The
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  Speaker 3: Irs woman arlet Lee, this was this was not enough
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  Speaker 3: money one hundred five thousand dollars, yeah, for the IRS
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  Speaker 3: to take it on the way that they did. But
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  Speaker 3: they made an exception and they called it an honorary.
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  Speaker 3: They put it in like a separate category because they
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  Speaker 3: they realized that it was doing such a disservice to
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  Speaker 3: the community and they could make a difference. But normally
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  Speaker 3: this was not enough money for them to step in
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  Speaker 3: that way. And so it's like, and I don't it
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  Speaker 3: is a lot of money to me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, but hundred thousand dollars was shocking to hear because
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  Speaker 2: I was like, that's it. I had forgotten it was
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  Speaker 2: that little. But she said that that doesn't include cash.
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  Speaker 3: Shift cards, all that gifts in kind.
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  Speaker 2: Right, like so maybe even airline tickets, hospital I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: hotel stays that type of thing.
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  Speaker 3: So then in the documentary they did a scroll through
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  Speaker 3: the documents and they had like the parts of it
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  Speaker 3: highlot and so it had one hundred and five thousand,
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  Speaker 3: and then it said and they just scanmed through it
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  Speaker 3: and then it looked like approximately ninety five thousand dollars
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  Speaker 3: in cashing gifts. So okay, all together, we're talking like
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  Speaker 3: two hundred thousand dollars, And I'm like, I think that
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  Speaker 3: the money. Getting the money was a payoff and an
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  Speaker 3: adrenaline hit, but I don't think it was the goal.
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  Speaker 2: Like to what you're saying, that's what I'm getting at.
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  Speaker 2: You're picking up exactly what I'm utting down right. It
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  Speaker 2: was a result of her goal, but it wasn't the
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  Speaker 2: intention to begin with.
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  Speaker 3: Necessarily, Yeah, because like there are other ways she could
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  Speaker 3: have scammed people out of a lot more money, and
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  Speaker 3: so she was clearly diabolical and a great liar, so
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  Speaker 3: she could have done much more financially, better for herself financially.
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  Speaker 2: Where it comes to where it really blows me away
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  Speaker 2: is the nerve that she has when the other teacher
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  Speaker 2: has cancer and then she jumps in and then is
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: now splitting. Now they're fundraising for both of them, so
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  Speaker 2: they're splitting it. Like we had just said earlier, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that that she in her conscience was okay with taking
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  Speaker 2: money away from somebody who she knew had cancer.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, she was okay with taking someone's child away
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  Speaker 3: from them. I mean, this whole thing started with right
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  Speaker 3: in infiltrating Corey's family. But she did that because Corey's
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  Speaker 3: stepdaughter Alita. The core family was Alita and her daughter,
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  Speaker 3: Jamie's daughter Jamie from a different marriage, who had cancer
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  Speaker 3: as a child. Yes, and then Corey and Alita had
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  Speaker 3: Jessa as a daughter. And if you remember, Amanda comes
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  Speaker 3: into their life as like a cheer coach to help
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  Speaker 3: this child with leukemia, Jamie.
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  Speaker 2: Right, because they bombs to her house because she can't
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: like go out and do activities. So it's like a
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  Speaker 2: you know, stay at home, you know, teach cheerleading and dance.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think at that point, Amanda's like a
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  Speaker 3: teenager late like maybe.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Nineteen nineteen something like that exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And so then she and Corey get together. I mean
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Alita and Corey split up. I don't even that Timeline's
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  Speaker 3: a little iffy with me. Corey's twelve years old than her. Whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like putting it all out. And then
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: they go so hard that they get full custody of
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  Speaker 3: Jessa from Alita. So Amanda for no payoff financially, right,
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  Speaker 3: It's like I'm going to get that kid from me, right,
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  Speaker 3: So it's like.
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  Speaker 2: A whole other level of being diabolical and really evil.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: And so I don't know how to split those two
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: things up, you know, I mean, I think it's all
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: it all has to be in one big clinical diagnosis.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: How she was willing, why she and how she was
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: willing to do all of these horrible things and really
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: set up it sounds like Alita for failure by telling
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: all these lies about her. And you know, we know
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: she obviously lies, so she's lying about everything, but she
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: when she got custody. This is another gray area that
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: we weren't we couldn't really nail down because Alita is
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: not giving us the details on this, so she's protecting
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: this information for obviously a reason. So we don't know
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: exactly why Corey got full custody of Jessa to begin with.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: From what we understand, Corey was set out to prove
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: that she was an instable and unstable mother. But we
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: that's all we know. And somehow, okay, sorry, little sweetie
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: had my air podcase and flipped it open in the
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: other room, so we had a little we couldn't hear
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: each other. Mattie was like, I can hear Emily, I'm like, okay,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: we need to rerecord this part, so let me just
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: see if I can pick up where I left off,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: which is about the custody. There are things that we
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: don't understand or that we have full information on, and
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: that is that, according to Alita, Corey hired this high
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: powered attorney and was able to prove that she was
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: an unstable mother and he got full custody. We don't
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: know the details about that. Then. The other part of
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: that is that Alita was able to gain full custody
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: of Jessa back again after a cruise took place when
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Jessa went on a cruise with Amanda and her family,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: and the way that she said it in the documentary
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: was some things happened where Jessa felt uncomfortable with some
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: behavior that made her feel uncomfortable, and I was able
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: to get custody of her again. So she doesn't explain
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: what the hell happened on that cruise, and she's obviously
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: trying to protect her daughter, which is why she's not
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: giving us that information. But that is very sus very scary,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: and the fact that two parents can go from full
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: custody to full custody is really concerning. To me, I mean,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: talk about it tumultuous and a very unstable situation for
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the children.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I get the vibe that whatever happened on Alita,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: it seems that Amanda was creating these stories about Alita too.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Because Jessa always wanted to stay with her mom. She didn't.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: It wasn't like Jessa had any problem with her mom.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: She wanted to be with her mom and her dad.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: And then Amanda created something and we don't know what
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: that was.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Well, what's sad is that when Alita said, I had
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: to bring her to the courthouse and leave her there. Ye, Jessa,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just when families have to deal with
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: custody issues and when you are the blameless one and
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the other is not, I mean, I just torture that
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you have to ensue is beyond my comprehension. But I
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: want to mention Corey because he is the one that
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: we have the least amount of information about, not only
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: in the podcast but also in the TV, in the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Hulu documentary series, and yet still to this day, he
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: has not been charged with anything. It's very difficult for
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: them to prove it because his name wasn't on anything.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: He also, I don't even think was a member of
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: that mega church. I don't really know. They they never
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: mentioned him being a part of it.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Well, he's around at all these events and everything. He's
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: had all the fundraisers, he is supposedly he's and also
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: like ps Amanda's mom Peggy and right, yeah, and Peggy,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: that's Hamilton. Oh but yeah, like Corey really is in
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: literally the driver's seat on a lot of this because
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: he's taking her to things. He's going to New York.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: He's on all these like basically make a wish trip said,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: everybody's paying for. And even in all that, like Detective
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Martinez is like he has deniability. She fooled everybody else.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: His argument can be he she fooled me too.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Right, And I mean none of us believe that. No,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: it's impossible, and not to mention, we can't get a
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: handle on what his job was, but we do know
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: that at some point he was let go, right, we.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Know that from the Nancy Meyer restraining.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Order Nancy Meyer allegation.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry Nancy from Twilight.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the inn of movie. Now, oh my god, lucky guy.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Second, wait, also we Nancy Meyers Nancy Meyers, director writer
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: for didn't she Wait, now.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Nancy Myers does like as good as it gets movies
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: and things like okay, okay, right, we then who's a
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Sandwich books? Twilight Books? She's like Nancy Myers, she inspired
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: the sandwich Shop something.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Right, I'm wasted, right, I'm so drunk.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: That's because we're talking about something that has a lot
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: of crazy detail and a lot of people.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Nancy Muscatello, thank you.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Oh Nancy Muscatello, who is.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Her restraining order goes. Part of why they were requesting
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: a restraining order is that she got him fired from
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: his job, and you and I cannot figure out what
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: that job was or what he did.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: People on Reddit are saying he sold fire sprinkler systems.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, fulls, full stop.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know. And then they also said
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: he was at the gym all the time and not
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: doing anything.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah that. Oh I thought he was a firefighter.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Oh I thought he was a professor. Like nobody knows.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Nobody knows, but we do know that he had a
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: lot of time on it hands, and that he they
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: say he had a flexible job because he was able
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: to care for Amanda, which this is where I think
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: like her I think you were going to say something
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: and I don't want to cut.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Stephanie Meyer, and I was gonna say, Stephanie Meyer wrote
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: the Twilight books.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Go on, is that who wrote it?
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure?
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, do you did you have something else to say
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: about that before I go into another Corey thing.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Oh no, just that like the the the the allegations
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: that they were making against Alita and whatever led to
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: that custody of them getting full custody. When when Nancy
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Muscatello goes into her restraining order and breaks down all
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: the allegations they were making against her, and she's like,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: not true, not true, not true, not true. I'm like,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: God only knows what they did to Alita in that
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: custody thing, and the real versus that she had to
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: blow through. By the way, that to fight that restraining
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: order and those allegations cost Nancy Muscatello two hundred thousand
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: dollars in court. Yeah, to fight that.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: She's like thousands, but I didn't know it was that much.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So like which, by the.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Way, she won because she did a job.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's right, So like that's the other thing,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: like God only knows what Alita was pumping into this thing.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Also having to like pay full child support, like I can't.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: The money that they made from cancer is like mini
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: school compared to what they cost people trying to fight
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: them on these lies. So, by the.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Way, the reason why they wanted to put a restraining
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: order on Nancy is because Nancy was onto them. And
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Nancy called the elementary school and was like, Hey, I'm
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: gonna have a child. I would love to know more
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: about your school, and I think I might enroll my child.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I'd love an appointment. Well, the fact that Amanda was
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: able to figure out who that was that called shows
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: you what a diabolical person that she actually is. Anyway,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: to have figured out that that was the woman that's
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: trying to troll her and investigate her, that she caught
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: on too, that was very telling.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: And yeah, like so when Nancy won that court case
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: against them, they were going to appeal it, and the
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: judge said, right then and there, that's fine, that's your right.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Just know that Nancy Muscitello will have full access to
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: all your medical records for discovery, because you know, so
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: that they didn't, Oh my godness. And by the way,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: that's all they needed to provide in that entire court
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: case all.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: They wanted this whole time.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Well, Nancy Muscitello was like, it's very easy to show
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: that I'm in wreck. Judge like her, that was her,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: you know, her attorneys. Very easy to prove. Just show
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: us she had cancer. That's it. That's all you have
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: to do.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: And oh yeah, that Jose Fernandez, the detective Martinez. Yeah, sorry,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Jose uh Martinez is that his name. I love when
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: he finally was able to get get the case, when
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: he was like, and now we've got a case because
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: something happened that with Hippa.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Like he was like, yeah, you can, you can disclose
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: to me. You're not violating Hippah Hospital or Cancer Research
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Center if you're telling me someone's not a client.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Oh I know, not a client, right, Yeah, I know
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: what it was. So so he finally went to the
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: church and was like, you know, kind of poking the church, like,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: hey have thisda gal. I think that she's like, you know,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: just keep your eye out for her. She does she
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: have cancer or not? And they're like, oh, no, we
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: believe it. And I think it was something along the
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: lines of he he called Kaiser and said, I know
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I can't get the medical records. I just need to
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: know if she was treated there or whatever, did she
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: have cancer or was there a letter.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: They sent him a fake letter. Amanda sent him a
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: fake that's right.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: That was okay, So she, oh, her attorney, I know
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: what it was. So he was poking around. Then Amanda's
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: attorney contacted Detective Jose and said, you know, lay off,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: and then the attorney said. Then Jose said, well, all
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: you need to do is just tell me that she
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: does have cancer and then I will step off. So
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: then they sent a letter from a doctor at Kaiser
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: that said, you know something very very similar that very succinctly,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: she has been treated. She's been in treatment for cancer
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: and is recovered as of February twenty second, sixteen. Wow.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Great to know she's recovered because nobody knew that, right,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: and she can return to school and work full time.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: So then he called Kaiser and said, there is this
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: letter written by a doctor there and it says this,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: So you just need to tell me whether or not
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: this doctor wrote this. The doctor called back and said
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: there was a letter, but it was not written for
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: that and the and then Jose said, we got ourselves
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: a case because she now forged a medical document, so
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: that's what really pushed forward, which was amazing. And then
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: they discovered obviously this is a federal case now because
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: of the wire fraud. So then that's when we got
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: special Agent ar Let not Alita, which by the way,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: that was a little confusing for a while. Two women
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: in the same documentary who have very similar names. And
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: she's subpoena the hospitals for records and got thousands and
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: thousands of pages.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Well a lot of that was the blog too, because
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: the blog was the timeline that Amanda was setting up
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: with all the lies and saying like I'm doing this trial.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I'm doing like this medical trial, this clinical trial. Also
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: like that she was saying she was administering these things
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: at home.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: From New York. Yeah, that was bonkers. My doctors in
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: the blog type type type type type. My doctors are
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: so amazing that they're going to let me do this
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: clinical trial from my home. They're going to send me
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the chemo truda. And then she called them like, yeah, no,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: we're not even doing a clinical trial on ki trudah.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And also, we would never eva send this like during
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: the clinical trial. We wouldn't send it to someone's own.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: They have to be under supervision. We have to like
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: record everything.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: And it has so I guess that that specific thing
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: had super temperature regulation, like it has to be at
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: exactly negative ten degree. Like there was so much going
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: on with that, but like nobody, nobody, Like I don't know.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess people, how would you ever figure
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: that out? If you were just trying to like help
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: your friend, like you would never know any of this.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, you know, when these reenactments in
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: this series were killing me. They nailed those hospital selfie
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: thumbs up peace sign ones like no one's business. They
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: trolled her so hard with those. Because I think we've
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: said it before, or at least I have, and maybe
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: you remember or not. There's nothing that I can't stand
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: worse than a high hospital selfie that's like giving the
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: peace sign. I can't stand it. It is the most
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: attention seeking, you know, and there's never an explanation about
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: like why you're there. I just can't stand a hospital selfie.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not into it. I'm just not into it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: So the fact that they would just have the slow
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: mo of her in there and just doing the thumbs up.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I just was I was dying. That was so hilarious.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: But I wanted to mention something about Corey before I forget,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: which is that, just like we had kind of were
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: coming to our own conclusion that her main goal was
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: not necessarily to scam people out of money, although she
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: knew the importance of that, because there was money that well.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Her explanation later was that, you know, there was money
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: that needed to be They needed money for Corey's divorce,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: for Corey's custody and spousal support payments.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: That's what she's saying now.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: That's what she's saying now. But right, and so that's
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: confusing because he wasn't paying, like, I don't know what
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: he was paying at that point.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Well, at some point when the custody changed back, yeah,
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: he was going to have to pay all that. Oh
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: so yeah, but I don't the whole thing doesn't line up.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: And also like it's not enough money to cover a
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: lot of that.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: And that's the other thing is that I think not
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: only did she think, perhaps, oh, I'll save us, I'll
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: save our family, and I'm sick anyway, so hopefully this
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: money will help us. Maybe that's where her head was,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: But then I have a sneaking suspicion that Corey was like, well,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: looks like she's going down this road. Looks like we're
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: getting money for it. So I'm going to kind of
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: lean into the money aspect of it and really start
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: to push hard in that direction that he may have
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: been the one spearheading the fundraising type of thing. I
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: don't know, what do you use Tha?
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Do you remember MAHASTI she was the daycare gal she
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: like was she had nan. Yeah, she she ran a
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: daycare and that's where the kids went. But then she
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: ended up being really involved with their kids.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and yes, I do remember her. Yes.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: So she said that in the documentary that she thinks
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: that you know, Corey or even Peggy that Amanda maybe
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: if they did figure it out, she may have threatened
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: them like, well now you're in it too, like and
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: I will you know, especially with Peggy, Well then you
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: can't see the grand kids anymore or whatever. I So
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: I do wonder. I mean, I don't want to say
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: that she wasn't capable of doing some of that, because
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: she was clearly capable of a lot more than people
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: gave her credit for. Oh, yeah, but I also agree
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: with you that like at some point.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: It could have been pushing it.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I this is just like hearing the voiceover the reenactment
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: voiceover reading all of her blog posts. It's like we
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: had a meal trained for an entire year, someone was cooking.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: People were fucking cooking meals for that family for an entire.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Year. Yeah. Or or sending you know, take out over whatever,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: just marriage Christmas.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: You're not paying for daycare for two weeks, bucket list stuff.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is like crazy, I crazy, just taking
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: advantage of kind, kind people. And you know, oh, another
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: thing that I thought was another lol, was we got
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: a little bit into her childhood because we you know,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: there were a few people who spoke to that. But
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: her class photo, like the senior year class photo quote
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: was in fact, live like you will die tomorrow, learn
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: like you will live forever. It was written in the stars.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And classmates were like she was always full shit.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, and that her mom when didn't want to be
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: called like a grandma or something and she wants to
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: be called goddess.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: But see, that's just I feel like a man. This
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: is always like a trait to me when people put
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: these start talking in their own language, which she's like
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: my bonus daughter, my miracle baby, my goddess.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Right right, like stop it, bonus daughter. Yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: When she called I mean at the very end when
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: she's giving her statement in court and she and she's
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: like apologizing to Jessa, my bonus daughter, I was like,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: get that fucking out of your mouth yet, so gross.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: If I was.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Alita, at how Anita handled it. I don't know how
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: she handled it. That must have been.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: A long road.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: But also she basically told off, wasn't didn't she tell
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: off Jessa or did she tell off Jamie? Yeah, she
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: told off Jamie in the text where.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Jamie blocked, yeah.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and how you know this poor girl who actually
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: had cancer.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Who actually had cancer and then is like watching her
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: sister go through this, and Jamie really then steps up too,
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: because uh, there's Jessa said that she's getting scared because
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Jessa kind of knows something's up, and then confides that
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: she thinks that Amanda's going to have the bone marrow
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: taken from her and her.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Brothers, yeah they put that on them that, yeah, like
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: you have to save me. I need your bone marrow
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: or else I'll die.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: And that's like it's like it's like search like that's insane.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: That's where that's where the by proxy is going to be.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Sure things there, you know, Yeah, proxy part would have
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: come later, certainly you could see it going down that
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: road for sure. Yeah, because then who knows what would
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: happen after that? You know, thank god that she's was,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: she's somewhere else and quite frankly terrifying that Corey you know,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: does have some custody here.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's so confusing because like you want to be like, Okay,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Peggy knew, like she had to know with the with
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: the writing, the blogs and everything. But like if you
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: remember from like the Elizabeth Finch story, the Grey's Anatomy writer,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: like when people would take her to treatment, they would
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: take her, but then she would like be like, I
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: don't I need to be alone. I don't want anybody there.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: And yeah, so I kind of am like was she
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: doing that for a while with them? And that's why
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: they thought. Now, what I don't get is why Peggy
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: was then like looking at property and Arrowhead like I
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: didn't understand that.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that was it?
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah that's in there. No, that's in both the
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: friend it's towards the end. It's like maybe episode three
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: of the show, and it's in the podcast. But she
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: the gal that introduced that. She's the one at the
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: end that said I didn't believe it until she said
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: I'm guilty.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Oh right. That was the friend photographer friend.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And and she had been introduced to Amanda by Peggy,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: so she was Peggy's friend first. And Peggy's like, you're
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: my daughter's age, you'd love my daughter, blah blah blah blah.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I wonder she was holding Peggy right fire there.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so she's like it got weird though, because Peggy
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: was talking to me and showing me investment property that
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: she was going to buy an arrowhead and meanwhile, we're
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: like doing all these fundraisers for Amanda, and I said,
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: and then the friend said to Amanda, don't you think
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: that's weird that your mom isn't helping you and Amanda?
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: So we have a very tricky relationship or something, that's right.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: So I don't know what that was about. I mean,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: if they were following the money, they would see if
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Amanda gave a bunch of money to her mother, I
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: mean that would be right, that would have been shown
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: at this point.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Well, Lindsay, the girl you're talking about that knew Peggy first, yes,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: said you know, I don't know, maybe something happened in
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: that household that created it, or was Amanda just naturally
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: looking for attention. I mean, you have to wonder what
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: the root of this is. You know, where did this start?
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: What was her childhood like with her mother, I mean
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: and father and whomever, Like, you have to wonder That's
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: what I want to know. I want to know what
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: happened in her childhood Amanda's.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because unlike Elizabeth Finch her parents, Elizabeth Finch's parents
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: were clearly being victims. They were victims of Elizabeth Finch's
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: bullshit since Elizabeth Finch was a kid and her brother
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: so like, where as with Amanda Riley, her parents seemed
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: to be along for the ride. You know, they're blogging
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: on her behalf, They're at these fundraisers, her brothers are involved, Like,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: there's so much going on there with her family.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Lindsay said that Peggy, you know, reached out and said, oh,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I just found we just found out were just beside
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: ourselves that it was a lie.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Right, And in September prior to the court or something
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: like that, or prior to.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Well, Lindsey was saying that it didn't add up with
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: the timeline, and I honestly had to walk away from
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: that because I did not understand why that didn't line up.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what September meant, and I didn't a
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: graphic was okay, So that was confusing. So it was confusing, okay,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: thank you.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Because I was like, oh shit, what is this like?
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Because I think that the editor or the director for
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: that docu series like assumed we'd been knee deep in
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: the timeline of it.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Well we are, I mean to be honest with you,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: We're about as knee deep as anyone's going to get.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: And I still you and I didn't understand that timeline.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: It's not our fault, it's on them. I don't know
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: what they were talking about. So because this had happened
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: years ago, like, so for it to be last it
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: just doesn't make sense.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: So also, when that raid happened in twenty fifteen, so
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: from twenty fifteen up until the court case in twenty
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: twenty two, she had been saying it was just from
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: tax evasion. Oh and she made it. Amanda made a
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: mistake by not clarifying that.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Or she'd pay taxes on the fundraising money, right.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: And she's like, that's my bad, and like, but as
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: soon as we get that, it's all clear. If I
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: had nothing to do with anything else in terms of
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: how like what Amanda was presenting to everybody.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: And not everybody believed her, but you know who did
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: was Lindsay, who gave who was writing out those three
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars checks here and there and doing all this
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: stuff for her. And so Amanda saying like, oh, you
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: can come to my next chemo? How about that? And
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, of course, oh COVID protocol,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: you can't come. Yeah, but that the picture was enough
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: for her.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: It's like, you believe what you want to believe, Yeah,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: you just you don't. And you don't want to believe
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: what would be unfathomable, unfathomed, namble.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: And you don't want to believe that you are that dumb,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: because if you were that dumb and you were that gullible,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: then what else isn't real? Like I, and it's I
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: and I'm saying you aren't dumb, But that's how I
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: would feel like, well, if this isn't real, then what
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: is not real?
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: You know? I mean a lot of people tend to
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: think like, oh my gosh, it's church, How can someone
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: do this at church? And it really is just a
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: breeding ground and sometimes for these types of things to
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: happen because you have a lot of great people who
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: are who have wonderful hearts at church, and then you've
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: got a lot of you know, you know, a lot
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: of riff raff that come in and take advantage of
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: the system that is meant to support people who are
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: are real andulnerable and telling the truth, and it's not
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: the case with a lot of people. So it's a
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: perfect place for someone like Amanda to go and get
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: full fraud, get her fraud on, you know, mega church.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: So another thing that I learned. I don't remember where
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I saw this, because it was somebody I think Charlie Nancy.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Nancy was talking about this that she read that Amanda
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: said that she like grew up or she went to
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: the same acting school or something as Lindsay Lohan, and
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: that she was friends with Lindsay Lohan. And so she
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: would tell people this and they'd be like, oh my gosh,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: and so then she would have Lindsay call the child
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: or whomever to wish them a happy birthday, and it
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: obviously wasn't her.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: It isn't that weird like that. There's these in the
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Elizabeth Finch story too, there's these wild celebrity adjacent like
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: remember Elizabeth Finch was like Anna Paquin donated, gave me
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: a kidney.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, right, and then with a lot of her fundraisers
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: and stuff, like Leanne Rimes was involved right like she
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: did she did as signed guitar.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was a whole thing. They got into
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: more in the podcast. There was like a friend of
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: a friend that had access to all these country music
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: people and and that was like a whole thing that
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: that person was like, you know, I put my ass
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: on the line. That's the other thing. Her reputation country
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: music context. Reputation busted the daycare gal.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Like, oh sorry, I thought you were talking about Cindy.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Mahassi's whole family like stopped trusting her because they're like,
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: you had to know, you had to know, we don't
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: believe you. You were in on like people that had
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: this girl's backs really hard, and we were like please donate,
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: please help, please help well then everybody around them once
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: this all came out, was like, well, what did you know?
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like it so they got
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: victimized in this way that it's like I went so
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: hard that people think I benefited from this.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I was really shocked that she did plead guilty. Yeah,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: you know, because typically, I mean, obviously she knew she
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: had to and was listening to her lawyer. But I think,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: you know, the question remains in a way, like do
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: you think that she really believed that she has and
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: had cancer? Because she like made herself believe that.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I feel like she has justified
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: it in some crazy ass way. But I don't know,
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: I have no idea, like, but she actually believes who knows?
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I wonder.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: If she's so good that she could pass a lie
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: detector test. I mean, I know they're not.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Probably I'm I agree with you, and I think that
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: she probably would.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: Because Martinez too was saying that when they did that raid,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: he was also there, even though he was in charge
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: of it, but he sat he was sitting down across
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: from her, and he was saying that when there are
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: these big races, like when there are like a cartel
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: or whoever big drug house that usually they'll they'll take xanax.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: So when they're sitting there, they're even and he's like,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: the first thing I did was look for the xanax
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: in the medicine cabinet. Oh wow, and there was and
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: it did and it was there, And so I'm assuming
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: that that's what she did because she was so chill
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: when we sat down, and in the series he talks
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: about like she was like, oh, your Martine is like
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: so h but he didn't go.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Into the hole the xan next thing. I didn't remember that.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I assume that that's what she was doing
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: a lot of times when she was able to pull
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: all this shit off.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Zannied out. Yeah, you know, the hippa thing is really
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: a phenomenal. This is a perfect example of how hippa works,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Like it really works. It it seems so ironclad. People
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: could not get their hands on her medical records and
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: like you can't even you know, obviously there could be
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: some sort of mole at the hospital and things like that,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: but you have to get them legally, obviously, So but
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: what's crazy is that it's like, well, I feel really
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: good knowing that my medical records won't be you know,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: strewn about in any kind of reckless way because they're
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: so hard to get.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, unless there's a data breach.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I mean that, you know, And I have nothing to hide,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: by the way, Darling's okay, so you know, I'll show
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: it all. But like you know, when when she is busted,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: the amount of records that are on her because of
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: the amount of times she's gone to the hospital, and
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: knowing that she's gone there and understanding that like what
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: she would do, it would never dawn on us to
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: go into an er, you know, on a regular basis,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: which by the way, is probably a true reason why
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: they had to declare bankruptcy because of all these out
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: of pocket you know visits. It probably didn't rack up
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: a ton of debt. So but she's going in there
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: and she's taking medical supplies. I didn't even think about that.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: You're taking medical supplies, and then obviously you are faking
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: whatever it is that you need to fake in order
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: to get whatever Tree meant that you need to show
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: you're getting. Now, you can also get vials of stuff
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: from who knows where, Like you know, you can order
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: tons of stuff online and I loved how Nancy showed
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: us the pictures and was like everything was just a
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: little askew, you know, the little bottles were off just
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: enough to where you can't totally see what the medication was,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: who was prescribed to how much? You know, like everything
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: was just so she could cover it up. So much
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: of it was selfies.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Right or like I even was like, you know because
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: after a while, I was like, how's she getting all
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: these like ivy pictures? And I'm like, that's probably not
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: even her hand.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: I was thinking she was wondering, Yeah, yeah, she's probably
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: like Google.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Image, you know what I mean, which is one way
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: like with a person that I we knew, like they
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: would Google image things. And then there was like a
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: back test on the Google imag but this was like
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: what's aest like where you can you can image? Yeah? Ok, yeah,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: but this was prior to there was like a special
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: way to do it, and we were all blown away.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: This is like before that anybody understood like that was
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: a thing.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Oh uh huh, Like whow you figured it out? You
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: mean at that time.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: A friend of ours figured it out because this person
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: was also creating like fake accounts and also they didn't
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: get into it too much on here. But Amanda Riley
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: was creating fake accounts which Nancy was chasing down.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: What kind of fake accounts social.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: Like social media account like fake social media accounts in
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: my in the person I knew they were creating fake accounts,
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: and then people were back testing the photos that were
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: on the uh you know, reverse google, the imaging the
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: pictures of realized none of this was real. In Amanda
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Riley's case, she was creating fake accounts of relatives that
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Nancy could track, which was so the narcissism was nuts, Like,
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: nobody's going to ask your sister in law, Amanda if
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: she's posting.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Like these accounts were meant to support her narrative by
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: commenting on what's going through? Correct, Okay, oh my god,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: yes wow yeahc.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Not just support her, but go after Nancy the investigator.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: So Amanda created her an account for her sister in
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: law to comment and go after Nancy and be like
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: this person was hired by Corey's ex wife, this isn't real,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah, and Nancy's like, Hi, I'm Nancy,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: you are the sister in law, and the sister in
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: law is like I don't know what the hell any
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: of this is. I didn't do this, I didn't comment.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not involved.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: She seems to really hit up some very vulnerable people.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: One who we know Lindsay because her husband died of cancer.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: This is the one that was writing really big checks.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Her boyfriend, yeah, oh, her boyfriend okay. And then also
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: this poor atheist they walked into this mega church, you know,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: and her life was never the same, you know what
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: I mean. She came into this megachurch and she was
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: blown away by the music in that fog, and that's
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: on her. But you know, then she gets, you know,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: enveloped into this world of Scamanda and is just wanting
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: to do whatever she can. So she donates her platelets
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: so many times, so many times. You know, obviously it's
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: not all or not because clearly the platelets aren't just
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: going to Amanda. Well they never did in the.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: First lace, right right right.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: But I mean, she did a good so that's nice
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: for her, But by Golllee, the people that she took
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: advantage of was is so sad. Yes, go ahead, Is
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: there anything else that we haven't.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, I don't think there's any
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: the only like to your point, the only good that
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: came out of this maybe was like maybe someone got
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: those platelets. And then some of this was done under
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: like different actual cancer charity umbrellas, so they were probably
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: getting some money here and there from like something, but
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: Amanda was always benefiting the most.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Jamie's speech at the end, you know, it was kind
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: of like a victim impact speech. Oh, the victim impact
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: speech is at right, Like Lindsay did one, which was nice.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: It was it was her victim impact speech. But she
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: didn't read it right at the court, she said she
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: she ended up not.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Oh she read well, Lindsay did, but Jamie, You're right,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Jamie didn't. Yeah, on camera, You're right that that was
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: really powerful, and she said.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: Because it had like flashbacks and stuff. And I was like, oh,
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: this is good. And it showed her as a baby
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: with cancer. Yeah, and I was like, yeah, I wish
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: we could show flashbacks in the court.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I wonder if Amanda will watch this. She's a narcissist,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: so I mean I can see how she would. She
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: was willing to talk to Charlie Webster of course from prison.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: I like that she said that her family, Amanda's family
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: listened to it and thought that the Charlie did a
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: good job. It was very fair on the podcast. Yeah
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: it was, but Amanda hasn't listened to it yet.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, well I did think that that is I mean,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Charlie Webster obviously did an excellent job, and that is
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: really the job. She did, the job that you're supposed
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: to do, which was so impressive. She left that door open,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: a little window, a crack open, so that she could
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: at some point maybe be in touch with Amanda, and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: that worked well.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, as a journalist, you do leave room for
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: comment on the other side or something. What I couldn't
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: believe is that Charlie was then also like it felt
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: like she was kind of open to like listening to
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Amanda tell.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Her she was ill still, and I was like, wait,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: what I think she was. I think she knows that
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: we would like to hear from Amanda, and if you
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: don't just entertain Amanda by being her audience, you know
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: you're never going to get anything from that anyway. I mean,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: but look, I gave her a lot of kudos for
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: that because I don't think that many, even the most
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: objective of reporters, would have a difficult time writing the
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: story and not see what a horrible person Amanda is
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: and not have it skewed by your reporting. And yet
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: she did a really really good job. I mean, and
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: now you know, so she was able to talk to
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: her too, you know, and then and she just use
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: more shit. You know, what what will she do once
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: she's out? You know, what is she going to do?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously she and her husband are either divorced,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: well no, I'm sorry, Corey filed for divorce in January
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four, So I don't know where they
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: are in that divorce proceedings, but in their whole journey.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: But like, what is she going to do?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: I think maybe she's going to have a health condition
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: that's a little bit more nebulous than cancer that will
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: keep going indefinitely, Like who knows what that like a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: heart condition? Who knows? Like who knows? But but she
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: she'll be back, baby, and it'll be bigger than ever.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: A TikTok an Instagram following she'll be on Dancing with
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: the Stars, uh, with her ivy poll.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: It's yeah, she's got gonna She won't initially be Amanda Riley,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: that's for sure, Like it'll she'll come back in a
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: different name, under a different name.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: The nickname Scamanda is like the greatest pun that she
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: could have ever. She couldn't have planned, you know, and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: she was, you know, scam man. It's just so brilliant.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: And who came up with that, you know? I mean,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: was it Charlie?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Probably Charlie? Oh yeah, I don't know, I think, because
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: they did talk about it a little bit and they
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: said they were reluctant to use that name because it's
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: so much bigger than a scam hmmm or con like
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: this thing went on for a decade and just it
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: just like yeah, so but I'm like, well it sells,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: so let's use it.
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  Speaker 2: Scamanda done, done and done. When she was in the hospital,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. When she was in prison and she was
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: going to those emergency visits, you know, twenty four of them,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: they caught her holding her breath during tests, they thought
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: her they caught her messing around with the ivs. I'm like,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: what see, it's like and she there's nothing to post,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: She's got no one to post to. So this just
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: shows you how obsessed she is with this.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I if I didn't say before I will
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: say California now does have a system in place for
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: hospitals to connect on people like this. They didn't at
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: the time. That's the one weird thing. Either. Amanda's narcissism
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: was so oh which it is crazy that she moved
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: to Texas where they do have that system, and they
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: were one of the only states that had it, and
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: she's like, don't be a problem.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: She wasn't used to that.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I or she was just like, yeah, whatever,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: that's just the I it won't affect me. I'm too good,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: or she just didn't even realize it, which is hilarious.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: So when you explain this process of the like the computers,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: the medical records and the computer systems are connected through
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: each hospital no matter what hospital it is. I don't
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: know certain states. Is that what you're saying, I don't
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: you can flag someone.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know exactly how it works. But I'm
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: actually surprised it didn't happen sooner in terms of like
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: like just in terms of people needing to go get
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: pill fixes at different hospitals and like the opial pandemic.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: Like I feel like in the early two thousands, I
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: would have thought this was happening more, but it isn't
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: or didn't until way recently. But you know, people go
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: to different ers for different hookups of different things, and
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: now it's being flagged as like this person comes here
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: all the time and now it's in the system of
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: whatever this system is.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: So if the stats is happening, like if that was
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: the situation when Amanda was doing all of this, I mean,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: what could they have done at that point?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: Well, clearly if she's going around and probably driving hours
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: around California to different Kaiser's or well Kaiser is That's
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: the other thing I thought was weirdness, like Kaiser does
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: talk to each other like that is like a major system.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, that's the wrong insurance to have if
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: you're Amanda Riley.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Well maybe she was going to other hospitals hanging out
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: of pocket, which is why.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Right, So if she's going around and driving around to
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: ers and are not going to recognize her in a
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: state that doesn't have that in place, she could definitely
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: get away with a lot for a lot longer.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: Whereas now, what could they do though, is what I'm asking, Like,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: so she's flagged for coming in all the time, what
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: are they going to do about that.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: Well, I guess in Texas and this is just from
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: what Nancy was saying. In Texas, she was then alerted
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: when and they alerted the authorities, they said that we
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: now have we just want to let you know that
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: this person has come in for all this and we
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: see that they are on this registry thing like it
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: gives are they They're in the news for this issue.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: So we're now letting you know that they've been coming
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: through the Texas hospitals with these issues.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: So oh so in Texas, the hospitals did contact the authorities. Yeah, yeah, Oh,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't know something like that.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they somehow because initially Nancy was tipped off by
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: someone inside the hospital that this person had been red flagged.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: But I don't know. See, this is where I need
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: to like listen to this podcast again because I don't God,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: I listened to it enough, but no, I just forget
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: that your law part because I don't know if they
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: I don't remember if they did contact the authorities or
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: somebody slipped it to the authorities. I don't know if
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: they officially contacted.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: But at least they knew that she was being flagged
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: in the system and so at some point they had
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: to have said something right. One other thing that I
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: do want to mention is that the ridiculousness that she
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: told Lisa Barry. Okay, So Lisa Barry, who was the
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: whistleblower in all of this, way back when this all started.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: The thing that tipped her off was they went to
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: the pool, right, and Amanda had some band aid behind
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: her ear and and Lisa asked her what happened? And
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: she said, I just had fluid drained from my brain
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: and that, and yet she was okay to go swimming
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: putting her head underwater. Yeah, thank god.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: They were making fun of the size of the band aide.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: Give us a little band aid. No one uses a
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: little circle. I didn't even know they made those anymore.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Lisa Barry needs to be on our podcast because this
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: this lady is not going to let you get away
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: with her shit. When when she was pregnant, Amanda was
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: pregnant with Jessa, Yeah.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, she called her son. She was right,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: how dare you Alita? Ali? Wait?
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Oh sorry, sorry, Okay, So when she was pregnant with
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: her son, she called she was trying to get hold
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: of Lisa Barry. Lisa Barry like basically defriended her because
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: she just thought she was a wacko right years ago
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: in twenty twelve when she told her she had cancer,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: and then they just kind of fell apart because she
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: thought it was weird.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: She well, I think it was that this was this
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: was a final icing on the cake for their full division,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: for their full breakup as friends. Is this call because
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: she has cancer? Yeah?
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: And then she calls and says that she is pregnant
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: and Lisa says, you're pregnant. I thought you were dying.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought you had cancer, that you had cancer.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: I thought you were dying. Then couldn't Yeah, Amanda said,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: the pregnancy is reversing the disease, and Lisa was all
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: like click, she full stop hung up on this dish.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: We all had of the whole thing with Lisa and
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: her getting on the shit list because she was tired
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: of it all. And then Amanda post is something on Facebook?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: What did she post?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: It was another fundraiser, I think.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and about and about her cancer returning again and
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: again and again. And then Lisa just thumbs down.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: She thumbs down it, and she called all of her
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: friends and told her to thumbs down it.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: Too, but that initial thumbs down.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: So good, and they show it, you know, the clickness.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, She's like and I think she noticed.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: I think she noticed the lies that she said that
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: she bought a house but it was a rental. She
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: was Bridal magazine was going to be covering her wedding.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: She was working on a PhD in clinical psychology at Stanford.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: You know, these were among the lies that she had
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: been telling. So not only I mean, this spictitious disorder
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: is a compulsive liar, you know, and your obsession with
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: being sick and not to mention all these other things.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Oh you know what it was. It was the fight
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: song video that Lisa gave a thumbs down to.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: I mean I would have given it a thumbs down too,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: even if she had cancer. But now this is years later,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: I'm just exhausted for that song. Maybe back then that
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: was like but yeah.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: No, that video it looked so annoying, so annoying. Oh
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: yeah yeah. Oh and I love that Nancy found Alita
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: through her atsy shop and was all, hey, Sarry to
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: contact you over like this cute this cute see you know,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: like you're I don't know your knitted Stuffed Animals website.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: But ah, this woman is crazy.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: We need to.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: Oh man, all right, well I think that we probably
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: got through everything. Is there anything else that you feel
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: like you need to get off your chest?
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: Now? I'm just excited to see what Amanda has a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: store for us.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good, alrighty. If there's anything that we missed, darlings,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: please let us know.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: And what let us know what Corey did?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: Thank you? Let us know anything about Corey really?
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean for a job we or what he
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: did during this whole time.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: How many affairs did he have? Oh the whole thing
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: about that Alita was just a one night stand. M
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: hmmm that was awful. Yeah, yeah, okay, poor Alita, Poor Alita,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: she has not had it easy. I hope that she's
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: this has got to feel so good for her, not
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: only the podcast but now the Hulu documentary series.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: But like, she'll never get that time back with her kid.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: When they were showing the videos of Jess as a
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: little girl, and I was just like, oh my god,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: like you just will not get it back like that,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: just that made me angry on a different level that
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: that guy that Amanda's like, yep, I'll take that too.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Do like yeah, dangerous, dangerous, diabolical. All right, Well, thanks
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: for listening to this special episode, darlings, look catch it later.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Bye bye, Drama Darling, Drama Darling,