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April 9 Court Hearings: Judge Boyd, Simpson, Middleton + More | TCF Podcast #266 · The Courtroom Files

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  Good morning, everybody. Happy Thursday.
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  Welcome to TCF live. My name is Dan soul.
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  I will guide you through the next four hours of hot.
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  Hot action from Cortland India. Let's start.
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  Judge Middleton. Charge.
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  My name is Judge Middleton. I get to keep my sign there at
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  least for the rest of the day. And we're going to talk about
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  your case. This distinguished gentleman on
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  his phone. Over here is Mr. Keith Stickley.
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  He is the chief public defender for Saint Joseph's.
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  Kind of, good morning, man. Want you just come in and have a
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  seat. All right, so got all here to
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  help us. First person I see every day.
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  I'm calling your name. I want you to come right up to
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  the podium and we will talk about your case.
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  I mean, get into the system here, but they don't have paper
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  files. Like we did an old days.
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  Everything is electronic, so it takes me sometimes a bit, click
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  into it. The first person to check in was
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  Jared Tuttle, would you come up to the podium, please?
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  All right. Yeah, good morning sir.
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  Are you Jared Allen? Hudl yes.
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  Are you here from? Angola you you drive up from
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  Angola this morning? There's My mom last night.
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  Well, that's talked about the charge.
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  The allegation is that on January, 9th, branding,
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  Gillespie here in Saint, Joe County, some of you had a dating
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  relationship with We get early dozens or hundreds of these in
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  the course of a year they're called domestic violence or
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  domestic assault. So miss demeanor it's punishable
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  by up to 93 days in jail and a final to 500 dollars.
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  anyway, this was an incident that happened at Laura Drive
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  apartment, B, In January, it was getting kids up for school and
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  angry temperatures. And Timbers Mr. Stickley, we had
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  a chance to discuss this with the defendant, I have this time.
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  He's going to ask you not guilty and something better it would be
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  appropriate to a point to an attorney, all right?
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  Who lived at the Laura Drive? Address.
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  Me really both. Were you on the lease?
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  Yes. All right, so here out of there
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  as a no contact division. Yeah, but she's a court date.
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  Here May 6th. But she wanted to make the
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  contact order. All right, I guess she has
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  talked to the prosecutors and she didn't want to charge his
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  press but they took it up, anyways.
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  Well, it's the people. Of state of Michigan versus you.
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  And so the prosecutor Has to pass and so we'll see.
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  Anyway, I'll show you, please not guilty.
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  No out of apartment. Going to appoint an attorney.
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  Set an attorney pretrial. For May 1. we are going to be
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  very busy, and they want All right, I'm going to send you out
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  with court officer. Did he get printed?
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  And they're going to give you some paperwork with your lawyers
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  name and number on. This is important.
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  I want you to call the lawyer and discuss this with them prior
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  to May 1st and then you'll be here in the other building by
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  May 1st will be on the other side and a big old historic
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  courtroom. This charges got different ways,
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  it could go, it could be a dismissal.
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  Could be a reduced charge, it could be a plea with a probation
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  deferral. It could be a trial.
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  But they'll get the police report, get victim input be in a
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  position to make some decisions about how to proceed on May 1st.
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  So you make sure you contact your lawyer.
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  I'll see you on the other side. Thank you first.
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  By the way, I watch you every day.
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  Thank you. I'd say it helps people sleep at
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  night because it's so boring. Audrey Clark.
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  Good morning. I have some other visitors here
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  today. Kelly was just here.
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  I didn't know if you guys got arrested or something and they
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  need to get around. Some other friends are here and
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  visit on our last day here. Good morning.
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  You're Audrey. Sue Clark, Aubrey, Aubrey.
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  Yes, Aubrey don't read it. Your charged with the infamous
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  offense of no insurance, we get hundreds of these.
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  It's a misdemeanors punishable by up to a year in jail and a
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  fine of 500 dollars, carries no sign of not less than 200
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  dollars. So the minimum fine for this is
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  325 dollars. Really, is anybody go to jail
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  for this? There is a light.
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  We've got a couple of these today.
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  There is a lesser offense known as no proof of insurance. and,
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  That's a civil infraction. It's not even a crime.
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  Mr. Stickley says, you have insurance now on the vehicle.
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  Was your insurance carrier. Progressive.
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  You got a lot of progressive. That's our goal, is to help
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  people get insured. So what I'm going to ask you to
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  do is have a seat for a minute. We're going to get a couple of
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  these and we will list the help of the prosecutor.
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  The prosecutor has the authority to reduce the charge.
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  The judge doesn't. It almost always when the people
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  come in and prove that they have insurance, the prosecutors
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  willing to reduce it but you'll save you a whole bunch of money
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  and it won't be a misdemeanor and it will be just a civil
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  infraction. So, you have a seat, we'll come
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  back to you in a bit. There's actually armor here.
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  Right. She's not.
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  I took every paperclip out of here.
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  This thing is stripped down. I didn't even have any judgement
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  forms here. Let's talk to somebody.
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  That is here. Stephanie Smith.
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  it's almost that I've misplaced your file.
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  I don't know if I've misplaced it or just don't have it.
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  Well, you're on the Pocket. Don't have the sheet.
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  But very often when something is missing.
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  It's right in front of my face. This happened the other day.
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  I was looking for file. I just didn't have it.
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  Matters to do with a pony father on it is.
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  Well. I don't have the Roa face sheet
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  on Stephanie Smith, but we're going to do it from here.
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  She's here. File number is 266.03 FY.
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  Mr. Smith your charged with Possession of methamphetamine as
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  a second or subsequent fence. That's a felony.
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  It's punishable by up to 15 years in prison in a final
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  25,000 dollars. I don't know, anybody's ever
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  done that, but that is the maximum fine. it's alleged that
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  you have, Some sort of odd felony in Indiana because this
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  is a felon. I don't have jurisdiction to
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  take your plea. Don't take away.
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  I moved them so that the out of the camera, Anyway, Miss Smith.
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  I'm going to show you your pleading not guilty.
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  Do you still live on 2nd Street in Constantine?
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  Good morning, we could have done this the other day.
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  I was teasing you about whether you were supposed to be here if
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  I known that we could have really not supposed to be, you
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  know, Are you were here to support him?
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  Now, he's here to support you. That's how that works.
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  We'll get to that at a minute. All right, Miss Smith.
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  I will show that you're pleading not guilty.
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  Thanks. Set a preamp conference.
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  That will be on. April 20th.
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  And if we need a preliminary examination, that will be April
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  28th. At 1:00.
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  Your next court date is Tuesday. April 21st at 8:30.
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  It will be over there and the other building but by the time
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  you get here, the Bales will send you where to go.
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  It's on the third floor of the older building.
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  Anyway else, I'm going to point an attorney.
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  What's your occupation? What do you do?
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  I'm saying the mom. Okay.
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  Well, stay at home. Don't get any more trouble until
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  we address this. So I'm going to have the court
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  officer, take you. Don't meet with the attorney
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  discuss this, I don't know anything about it.
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  There's an affidavit and look at it yet.
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  So, I will see you. That'll be my first day in that
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  courtroom, so we may have some stumbles, but I'll be there.
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  I want you to be there so you call your lawyer and I'll see
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  you on Tuesday. April 21st at 8:30.
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  Thank you. Once again, everybody TCF live,
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  it's a Thursday, good to have you all here or Friday Eve.
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  As I prefer to call it a little bit of a slow start this morning
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  in Courtland but there are some some courts that have turned on
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  their cameras. They just haven't started
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  proceeding, she will continue to ride with judgmental to for a
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  while. Don't look so scared.
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  Nothing terrible is really gonna happen here.
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  It's my first time. Well, you had your first time on
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  our last day. Trial number is 26397, s m.
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  Miss Hannah. You got charged with the same
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  offense as Miss Clark no insurance and it appears that
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  you're showing that you now have insurance.
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  But it's I got a job close by so I can walk to its kind of just
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  gonna be parked if anything getting rid of it soon.
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  All right. Well I would suggest that we
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  still have. Yeah.
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  What do you do Miss Hannah? I just recently got a new job at
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  a small, gas station nearby where it's Vicksburg.
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  Know I stay with her friends and Decatur.
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  Well, this is not exactly the crime of the century, it's a
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  strange of fans. It is in the, it's not the motor
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  vehicle code, it's in the insurance code.
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  All the motor vehicle stuff. Starts with 257.
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  Drunk driving is 257625 the insurance, go.
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  It all starts with 500 and there's a lot less things in it.
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  But you're charged with. Operating without insurance and
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  looks like it gave you a warning for no plate and defective
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  equipment One Headlight and I say this a lot, one headlight
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  will get you pulled over every time.
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  I because they'll say hey your headlight is out and hey you
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  like The Wallflowers? but, We'll have you meet with
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  the prosecutor. They're going to meet with
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  another person. What did you?
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  What is she show to you? I was looking at I didn't have
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  for contact info. I was different.
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  Oh It was a 2021 Toyota. Nice car.
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  Here, I wanted to beater but you know, dealerships. but, My car
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  now is, okay. You have a senior center.
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  We'll have a system prosecutor, come here in a minute.
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  William Lowery. Good morning, sir.
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  Then we just do this a while ago.
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  Yeah. Let's talk about your stuff.
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  This is really, he is charged with driving suspended on March
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  20th, February 26th of 2026. He liked that so much.
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  He did it again on March 6th 2026 and charged with driving
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  suspended. Second offense.
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  I'm driving suspended. Second offense is punishable by
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  up to a year in jail and a fine of up to 1000 dollars.
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  And Carries two points on your driver's, license requires your
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  license be suspended. You have. several cases set for
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  jury trial in May You have an unpaid driving suspended ticket
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  from 2024. You have an assault, battery
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  trespass, and stalking all set for jury trial for April 27th,
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  and must be in front of Judge, Patterson.
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  And you got two driving suspended in a month.
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  So, let's get you a lawyer who is the attorney on your I Tim
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  George. All right, Mr. George Language.
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  Now, a couple things you live right here in town walked over
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  here. Yes, stop draining.
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  Not, they took my car, I can't drive anymore, so well
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  eventually they will do that. This is four three six, plus t.
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  And 439. maybe we can resolve everything
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  all once without the need to bring in 30 jurors to resolve
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  these other cases, but Both cases.
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  Quite an attorney. Tim George.
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  Set attorney pre-trial. I don't know how we're going to
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  do me first. We may have going into the
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  afternoon. It's been Cornwall but I can
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  only I did 20. six or something, but even at 10 minutes of plea,
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  There's only. and some take longer and it's a very trying
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  morning. But we end up going into the
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  lunch hour, but we have the cases, and we have to address
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  them. All right.
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  Also has Mr. Lauer, are you working somewhere?
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  Um, trying to find it, you know, with my felonies.
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  It's really hard to get a job to be on special with no car in
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  this town. So, yeah, that's not a lot of
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  opportunities. Doing what I can, I'm paying on
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  my mind, but I see that it's mowing lawn, doing whatever I
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  can hear us. All right.
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  Well, we're gonna get the same Warrior.
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  We're going to set this for May 1st at 8:30 and Mr. George and
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  look at this case is I want you to continue.
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  Stay away from the person that you're accused of stalking.
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  And we'll see, maybe we can come to some all encompassing
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  resolution on May 1st. So good luck sir.
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  Thank you very much. Is Jamie Schrock here.
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  Good morning. Somehow you slip.
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  They didn't get your name down but I saw that you were there.
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  You can take it off too late. Now, already called your name
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  and this is some not good stuff. No, this is file two six.
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  Five zero two FY. Mr. Shock your charged with
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  assaulting Amanda by strangulation someone you had a
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  dating relationship with, there's a specific kind of
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  domestic violence that involves. Strangulation.
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  Choking. People often misspelled his
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  shocking, you're also charges having two previous domestic
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  assault charges. So they charge you with a felony
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  third offense to violence. Here's the third habitual
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  offender which would theoretically make the first
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  charge punishable by up to 20 years in prison.
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  So this is all serious as a heart attack.
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  And so my recommendation at this point is you plead not guilty
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  and I pointed an attorney to help you with this.
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  Now. You were on Morgan Road?
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  Are you out of the house for sure?
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  I'm back. She she left and I come in there
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  and I finally, this ain't your kind of cops wouldn't take her
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  away. So cold State, Police and state
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  officer Bauer Major League. Would you catch a red eye or
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  something? Lie.
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  Dead Davis. Was they plotted this thing
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  anymore about it. That's exactly what happened.
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  All right. Well, I don't.
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  I'm gonna get a lawyer to help. You're talking about prosecutor
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  Davis. Yes, all right.
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  Yeah, we'll get a lawyer and you can discuss this with them.
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  I think this Binkley, She had some more of her own, I'm not
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  sure where she is. Who authorized this?
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  Ms. Davis. Anyway, these are very serious
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  charges with the supplemental and the previous convictions and
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  so it is important that you have an attorney.
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  Set a pre exam on my busy on May April 21st too.
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  I'll come back with a bang from vacation.
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  April 21 to 26 at 8:30 for a free exam.
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  Preliminary examination of needed will be April 28th.
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  At 1:00. Now.
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  That's all over West. It's not paid video.
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  All right. It doesn't show that you only
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  got my license back, so I'm waiting for well, I am glad
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  about that. But I don't know what to make of
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  this. So did he get printed?
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  Yes. Yeah, all right.
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  Well, I got arrested well I got it on here.
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  Said you need to get printed so we'll see what the deal is.
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  You go with the courthouse or we'll get a court appointed
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  attorney for you, okay? Anthony D, Grant.
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  They didn't actually come here to support you.
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  Well, maybe they did. Oh they came for me.
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  Anyway, this is some more serious business.
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  This is Anthony Dwayne, Grant Jr.
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  Know I'm Anthony and Wayne Grant number one.
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  Well, they got Junior on here. We better.
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  Start my son. Well, this is some serious.
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  Mistake. Let's see, where that happened.
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  That's a big deal. We had a guy the other day and I
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  said, hey, you owe me a bunch of money and he said up that's not
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  me. It's my son. but this is so they
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  show you as Anthony Wayne Grant. That's where I was going on.
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  But the complaint somewhere, somebody put Junior on here.
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  I'm trying to figure out where that happens.
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  Peter did it when they charge it.
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  We need to fix it. anyway, well, you did Threaten and discouraged
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  her. I'm tempted to discourage me,
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  Jason Van Dyke and New at the witness.
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  Charged us. And Leading interfere.
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  Instructing Witness. So all those cells witness
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  intimidation, that's a felony punishable by a four-year
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  imprisonment. They are also charged with the
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  resisting obstructing, a police officer to couns on Deputy Van
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  Dyke and in your charge as being a fourth habitual offender.
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  So this is serious stuff, right? I don't have access to the like
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  that confidential ID form or whatever.
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  Before we go through with the arraignment does, all the other
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  things outside of his name, actually Mash Well, let's see.
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  Good. The booking information did.
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  I don't have a criminal history in here.
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  I don't know why. I don't, maybe that personal
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  protected information. She just don't think it's really
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  well. The complaint says Anthony,
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  Dewayne Grant. Signed by Deborah Davis on March
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  21st. It then.
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  There should be a personal identification sheet in there as
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  well, and they found. well, there should be but there isn't
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  Anybody help me here. There's no criminal history.
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  there's a complaint then somehow, It got amended.
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  The date of birth. is no longer on the warrant, which is very
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  well, there is no longer. It's just your deal is 1963.
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  Were born in 1953. For the Beatles.
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  Junior, but the original complaint came in as Anthony
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  Dwayne, Grant. Somewhere it got changed by the
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  prosecutor. To.
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  Anthony Dwayne, Grant Jr. The bond form is Anthony.
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  Dwayne Grant. And posted a bond of 6,000
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  dollars. There's no criminal history in
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  here. This is senior.
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  Anyway Mr. Grant the clear import here.
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  As we need to get an attorney to help you with this.
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  This happens from time to time. With a misidentification.
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  And it can be important. For example, there's probably
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  eight or ten guys in Saint, Joe County named, Michael Klein, And
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  some of them have the same middle name.
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  And it has happened in the past. Where they arrested the wrong
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  person. I can think of one notorious
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  case where the state police arrested, a school teacher from
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  Sturgis from Coldwater and she wasn't the right person.
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  She spent Thanksgiving weekend in jail.
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  She was mortified and I can think of another case where two
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  guys worked in a. RV Factory and one of them was
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  selling drugs and they both had the same name and they arrested
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  the wrong guy because they were careful about the identification
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  So we are very careful about identification.
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  I think Grant number one. Sort this out.
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  In the meantime, I want to show your pleading not guilty.
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  I'll point an attorney unless you intend to retain one, you
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  won't be able to point one for you.
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  Well, I'm going to need something because I've lost
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  jobs. 80,000 jobs, 14,000 job. They still won't return money
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  from me. So I have David Who's there the
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  sheriff's department? Yeah, you know.
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  Well, all right, let's set a present conference for or 21. 26
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  at 8:30. Pre-exam if needed would be able
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  to eight 26 at 1:00. This.
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  This. I just want to put it on record
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  this. Stop was it stop?
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  It was unwarranted at all. All right.
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  Well, sort that out. That's one reason why you need
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  an attorney? There isn't any information in
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  here? Sure?
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  Is it? Well, there's no affidavit
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  because they made a warm or less.
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  And the bond information sheet. Kyle Singler, we talked to him
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  the other day. During the contact with singular
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  is passenger, Anthony Grant was yelling not to comply.
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  Officer Flynn. You would get out of the car,
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  when answer the door, open the door.
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  I can't tell how this turned into what it did.
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  I said anything. All right.
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  Don't say more about this case where I was really help you
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  defensive here. All right.
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  You posted your bond. You're not a Flight Risk.
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  You prepared for everything? Oh, I don't know who's got a
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  print order on here. One of mine sore points as they
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  arrest people at the jail, they don't fingerprint them.
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  They don't even know who they are.
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  They could be the Gilgo Beach killer and they'd let them out
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  without knowing who they are. So we have our own Live Scan
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  equipment and we fingerprint them here.
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  So, Mr. Grant, there's some issues here.
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  They're going to be cleared up and we'll get a lawyer to help
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  you with this. And I don't, even if you need to
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  tell you this, but what I want you to do is call your lawyer,
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  make an appointment to discuss it with them, prior to me, April
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  21st. And I will see you on that
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  morning. And we'll see where we're headed
• 34:40
  with this thing. So you go with the court
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  officer, get your prints and you get your point of turning here
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  to go. Thank you dress for the occasion
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  which Hi friends, TCF live, it's Thursday.
• 34:55
  Good morning. Once again, my name is Dan be
• 34:57
  with you for another three and a half hours or so programming
• 34:59
  note yesterday we were watching that preliminary exam in judge
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  Wiggins Court, they did continue with it.
• 35:07
  In the afternoon, we will show you what they did in the
• 35:10
  afternoon during the fourth hour.
• 35:14
  Assuming something more important does not come up,
• 35:16
  let's change it up, we have other places we can go now,
• 35:19
  let's go over to Washtenaw and judge Simpson, say good morning
• 35:23
  to him. He's on the reporting office
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  public defender. Both people do not have any
• 35:30
  sense of conflict exists. We make this way for an evil
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  doubt. Good morning around the joy
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  again senior assistant public defender.
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  We do not believe that there is a conflict but if it is a
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  pamphlet wave the same Court for ourselves, as I believe, there's
• 35:46
  kind of like that in Michigan court.
• 35:48
  Rules are the case decided, they're under two, the extent of
• 35:50
  conflict does exist given the way we're walking Century.
• 35:53
  Here the matters For girls case People's State of Michigan,
• 35:56
  versus Derek Jones. Good morning.
• 36:01
  Miranda jockeying seniors with public defender.
• 36:04
  Representing Mr. Jones, Mr. Jones, would you please state
• 36:07
  your name for the record? Yeah.
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  Josh. Good morning people.
• 36:13
  What are we doing? And we are asking for a
• 36:16
  preliminary examination, Mr. Jones, wishes to appear by zone.
• 36:20
  So, Mr. Cooks said that he would be able to do it within two
• 36:25
  weeks as opposed to the normal time.
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  And we are asking that the preliminary examination by what
• 36:32
  kind of cases is, it is a court has to make a determination as
• 36:36
  to whether or not it would be appropriate.
• 36:38
  For a zoo now, we approach briefly me.
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  What? What exams?
• 37:19
  You. Discovery is complete.
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  Yes, you're on. Would have their Witnesses
• 37:28
  available. The 21st, your best runner.
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  Luminary examination. I will indicate that the
• 37:37
  defendant may appear via Zoom. Thank you.
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  Preliminary examination will be set for a 420 first 2026. 9.
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  Mm, before judge Garwood. And will continue.
• 38:09
  For girls case people versus Evan sherbert.
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  Good morning Runners assistant, bug Center.
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  Davie on behalf, Mr. Sherbert. Sherbert.
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  I'm sure. Okay, thank you.
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  And requesting a German. So I can review an offer today.
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  Bible college conference will be a journey, April, 23rd, 2026,
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  90. And thank you.
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  Bye. I'm thinking Work calls case,
• 39:00
  people versus Christian. Overwatching Journey with people
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  and assistant, public defender, Nick bukovica.
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  Thursday evening. Brazilian record.
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  Thank you. At the time interview.
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  Requesting a German to First and for the negotiations.
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  One, two or three weeks. I have the core teams
• 39:27
  appropriate. My client is in custody until
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  the Summers. Yeah.
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  So probable cause conference April 30th. 2026 90.
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  Mm banking. Thank you.
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  Work out. Okay.
• 39:45
  People versus Larry Evans. Or water system.
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  People. Morning Hunter Edwards,
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  something you have Valerie Evans.
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  Your name sir. Yeah Evans.
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  Thank you. Gonna rest for an exam, sir.
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  We're asking for Anarchy exam. Discoveries complete who are
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  knowledge. People have their Witnesses
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  available in 23rd. Agriculture.
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  Preliminary examination. In-person April. 23rd 2026.
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  And before, judge judge, judge Washington.
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  Bond continued. Thank you.
• 40:39
  Because the people versus Travis May.
• 40:48
  Be Edward, rickerson be at the Travis May.
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  You make and you can state your name, please?
• 41:07
  Yes, my name is Travis May. All right, thank you.
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  There's some negotiation that's underway.
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  I'd be asking for in a German Bravo cause conference will be
• 41:18
  here in April 30th 2015. Thank you.
• 41:23
  Thank you, Mr. Met, thank you. because the cases of the people
• 41:29
  versus Corey Jones, two cases you And Rodriguez on behalf of
• 41:37
  Corey Jones. Your name, the Corey Jones.
• 41:50
  Thank you. At this time, I'd like to set
• 41:54
  both these matters. Damn I'll discoveries can play
• 41:59
  my knowledge. Whether Witnesses available to
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  23rd. Preliminary examination.
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  In person April 23rd. 2026 90, mm before, judge to be careful.
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  Garwood. Thank you.
• 42:32
  Thank you. Carlos cases of the people
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  versus Malik. I've studied.
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  Of our students. Good morning.
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  You're on, erotica, Glenn. Requesting permission of
• 42:58
  practice pursuance in Michigan, Court rule, 8.120 under the
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  supervision of Sanazi, I'm sorry.
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  I can't really you don't even know who you.
• 43:11
  Well I can't say her name but the NASA.
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  He can really write. Yes sir, Rising it.
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  Yes, sir. Are you doing a very good job?
• 43:21
  Don't know her name, all right. I think this is the last time,
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  I'll Grant permission to this is, Well, it's has been an
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  absolute pleasure here, likewise likewise, thank you.
• 43:37
  Thank you in the practice isn't today.
• 43:41
  We would like to join orders to submit the paperwork.
• 43:47
  You complete paperwork. Just me.
• 43:52
  Almost, where's your client? Study Alexander.
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  Oh, not here. Oh, thanks.
• 44:11
  Oh no. It's not your fault.
• 44:14
  I know who's fault it is. Miss Canon.
• 44:17
  All right. You get the paperwork in.
• 44:20
  Yes. Probably. 16.
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  Or 6,026 9 a.m. next week. Thank you, honor.
• 44:40
  Cord does call The Case of the people versus Chianti Jones.
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  Good morning, it would be something.
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  Your name, that's a joke. Like an examination around.
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  Discovery is complete my knowledge.
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  People have their Witnesses available to 23rd.
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  Preliminary examination in person April 23rd. 2026 9 a.m.
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  before judge judge Washington. 21st, I'm sorry.
• 45:25
  Where were we? April 21st are all of these
• 45:29
  April 21st 2026. 9 a.m. before George Washington.
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  We're gonna have to correct all of those other ones, Bond
• 45:37
  continued. Thank you.
• 45:44
  For Carl's case people versus Darrell Gardner.
• 45:55
  Pretty young monkey. Thank you.
• 46:01
  That's awesome, Mr. Gardner, dear James, the record Dale
• 46:07
  Gardner. Thank you, sir that my matter?
• 46:10
  I'm setting exams. And John my manner, we are
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  waiving Mr. Gardner may, I signed the form that reviewed a
• 46:17
  few yesterday on your behalf. Uh, no, we wasn't able to sign
• 46:20
  it but I'm willing. I'm ready to sign in.
• 46:24
  May I find it on your behalf there.
• 46:25
  Oh, yes sir, yes sir, yes sir. Absolutely.
• 46:30
  All right, that's the case of malicious, destruction of
• 46:32
  personal property, Police property anything.
• 46:34
  All right, on that case was the gardener you're waiving
• 46:38
  preliminary examination. Yes, sir. you understand that a
• 46:43
  preliminary examination is a proceeding where the people
• 46:45
  would have to show by probable, cause that the offensive list
• 46:48
  was committed in that you could Yes, sir.
• 46:52
  You understand, you'll not have that hearing you'll proceed to
• 46:55
  Circuit Court for the resolution on that matter.
• 46:58
  Yes, sir. People also live there, right?
• 47:02
  Just Preliminary examination. Haven't been waiting for the
• 47:15
  circuit court on the single account.
• 47:17
  We know the information we waive formal reading and perfectly,
• 47:21
  please. Standing View Restaurant in
• 47:26
  every way, former reading standing or not guilty.
• 47:28
  Plea pre-trial in this matter will be set for April 20th, 2026
• 47:35
  130 before judgement. Thank you.
• 47:42
  What? What time will it be sure?
• 47:44
  What time would it be? April, for that, for that case,
• 47:49
  it's going to be April 20th. At. 1:30 at 1:30.
• 47:56
  All right, thank you. Continue on that case.
• 48:00
  And then the other, Discovery is complete history. people have
• 48:07
  their Witnesses available to 21st, do our best to honor
• 48:11
  Preliminary examination in person.
• 48:13
  April 21st 2026 and am before judge firewood.
• 48:20
  Thank you. And we'll continue.
• 48:24
  Thank you. They're all coming to see in a
• 48:26
  couple days. All right, but thank you.
• 48:28
  Thank you, sir, for complicated people versus Walter Peterson 2
• 48:33
  cases. Good morning around on behalf
• 48:39
  Mr. Peterson on. so, It's just Mr. Peter, thank you.
• 48:54
  Please state your name for the record walk to people.
• 48:57
  Waving on both of these. That's correct.
• 48:59
  Your honor. You should have two signs.
• 49:00
  One I do. Sir, you're waiving your right
• 49:03
  to a preliminary examination? Yes.
• 49:05
  You understand that that's a proceeding where the people
• 49:07
  would have to show by probable cause that the offense alleged
• 49:10
  in each case was committed and that you committed it.
• 49:13
  Yes, you understand will not have that here and you'll
• 49:16
  proceed to Circuit Court for further resolution.
• 49:18
  Yes, we'll also where they're right offers me to support lead
• 49:25
  to the camera. Please Polonius assault.
• 49:27
  Charges chamber dismissal, the retail, brought as well as
• 49:30
  there's an option being held open for the defendant to pay
• 49:32
  restitution on two other retail, product matters and exchange for
• 49:36
  those cases, not being Democratic statement.
• 49:42
  Yes, sir. All right.
• 49:47
  How many examination have been waiting down over?
• 49:49
  Both counts. You're on a we would stand mute
• 49:52
  waive any more reading. Been in every way from a reading
• 49:56
  standing mute both cases, where will interact guilty plead free
• 50:01
  trial will be set in each matter.
• 50:02
  April 21st at 1:30. April 21st, 2026 130.
• 50:09
  Judge funky. Thank you, John.
• 50:12
  Thank you, and we'll continue. Already friends with bonds
• 50:17
  continue to continue in Washtenaw County.
• 50:20
  Let's go to Lake County. Ohio say, good morning to judge
• 50:23
  O'Donnell. Thank you.
• 50:28
  We are here on the matter, the state of Ohio vs, number 25, CR
• 50:35
  0, 0 4, 6 8 you're set today for change of plea hearing they
• 50:40
  defend his president open court with their attorney Nicollet
• 50:42
  tomicic. It's mine are saying that the
• 50:44
  defending will lead to count one and count two of the indictment.
• 50:47
  Got one being with evidence of family, the third degree, in
• 50:50
  special cocaine, there's no agreement guard sentencing to
• 50:53
  stay with free Central Firestone, Yes.
• 51:01
  Thank you honor. That is my understanding of
• 51:03
  what's going to happen today. I did speak with Mr. Maxine,
• 51:05
  that is how he would like to proceed today.
• 51:07
  Thank you. The Maxi however, you 52 year
• 51:15
  honor. How far did you go through
• 51:16
  school? 11th grade, are you a US
• 51:20
  citizen? Yes.
• 51:21
  Are you able to read write and understand English language?
• 51:23
  Yes, prior to coming to court, if you take it any drugs, or
• 51:27
  alcohol, or any prescription medication within the last 48
• 51:30
  hours, no, Have you ever been diagnosed with or treated for
• 51:34
  any mental illness? PTSD depression and being
• 51:39
  treated for either of those right now, just through therapy.
• 51:44
  What's therapy? Do you have Signature Health?
• 51:48
  Does do those either those conditions affect your ability
• 51:52
  to understand what's going on here?
• 51:54
  No. Did you get a copy of this
• 51:57
  indictment? Yes.
• 51:59
  And you're pleading guilty to both charges.
• 52:01
  Is that correct? Correct right before I accept
• 52:03
  your guilty plea I need to determine that you know, and
• 52:06
  understand the constitutional rights you'll be waving The
• 52:09
  consequences of your guilty and the maximum penalty I could give
• 52:12
  you. And I need to be satisfied at
• 52:14
  your guilty, pleas being made freely, knowingly, and
• 52:17
  voluntarily. When they ask you some
• 52:19
  questions, if you don't understand a question, And let
• 52:23
  me know if you want to talk to Ms. Look some more, let me know
• 52:25
  that and I'll give you more time.
• 52:26
  You understand that? Yes, you have a constitutional
• 52:30
  right there, have a trial either to me or to a jury of 12 Lake
• 52:33
  County Citizens. You understand that right?
• 52:35
  Yes. Are you waving their right?
• 52:37
  Yes. If you go to a jury trial, all
• 52:40
  12 members must agree, to a guilty verdict before you can be
• 52:42
  found guilty. Do you understand that right?
• 52:44
  Yes. Are you waving that, right?
• 52:46
  Yes. If you go to trial, the
• 52:48
  prosecutor will call witnesses to testify against you?
• 52:50
  Do you understand the prosecutor must prove, you guilty be on a
• 52:53
  reasonable doubt at a trial. Yes, after the Witnesses are
• 52:58
  done. Testifying for the prosecutor.
• 52:59
  You have a constitutional, right?
• 53:01
  They have your lawyer cross examine those with Witnesses.
• 53:03
  Do you understand that right? Yes.
• 53:05
  Are you waving that right? Yes.
• 53:07
  If you go to trial, you have the right to have witnesses.
• 53:09
  Come here and testify for you. Do you understand that right?
• 53:12
  Yes. Are you waving that, right?
• 53:14
  Yes. If those Witnesses refused to
• 53:16
  come according to order called a subpoena to make them trust
• 53:19
  Friday. You want to understand that
• 53:20
  right? Yes.
• 53:21
  Are you waiting there, right? Yes.
• 53:22
  You have the right to testify a trial if you want to do.
• 53:25
  You understand that right? Yes.
• 53:27
  Are you waving that, right? Yes.
• 53:29
  You have the constitutional right to not testify Charlie.
• 53:31
  If you do not want to do you understand that, right?
• 53:33
  Yes. Are you waving that, right?
• 53:35
  Yes. If you decide not to testify a
• 53:38
  trial, nobody is permitted to comment on that decision.
• 53:40
  Do you understand that? Yes, if you go to trial, And
• 53:45
  your found guilty of the, right, to appeal, the guilty.
• 53:47
  Finding do you understand that, right?
• 53:48
  Yes. Are you waving that, right?
• 53:50
  Yes, if you found a pill, you have a constitutional, right?
• 53:54
  They have a lawyer represent you in the appeal.
• 53:55
  Do you understand that right? Yes.
• 53:57
  Are you waving that, right? Yes.
• 53:58
  If you could not afford to hire a lawyer, one would be provided
• 54:01
  at no cost to you? Do you understand that?
• 54:03
  Yes, if you file an appeal, you're entitled to have a
• 54:06
  transcript of all the hearings in this case.
• 54:08
  Do you understand that right? Yes.
• 54:09
  Are you waving that, right? Yes.
• 54:11
  If you could not afford a copy, those transcripts, they'd be
• 54:14
  giving you a no cost. You understand that?
• 54:16
  Yes. If you plead guilty today, you
• 54:18
  will not have the right to appeal, the guilty.
• 54:20
  Finding do you understand that? Yes.
• 54:22
  Do you have any questions about any of these rights know you're
• 54:25
  on? If you still want to feed guilty
• 54:27
  to these charges? Yes.
• 54:28
  Do you understand by pleading guilty or fully admitting your
• 54:31
  guilt to the charges? Yes.
• 54:33
  You understand by pleading guilty to these felonies, get
• 54:36
  your volunteer. They give up your freedom for
• 54:38
  whatever period of time. I could say to prison to jail or
• 54:40
  two Community Control. Yes, you can one Tampering with
• 54:46
  evidence is a felony, the third degree, it carries a 36 month,
• 54:49
  maximum prison sentence and a 10,000 dollar maximum fine.
• 54:52
  Do you understand that? Yes, count, two possession of
• 54:55
  cocaine. So, felony 5 with a 12-month
• 54:57
  maximum prison sentence in a 2500 dollar maximum find you,
• 55:01
  understand that? Yes.
• 55:02
  If you plead guilty to the forfeiture, specification, your
• 55:05
  voluntarily, giving up, those things listed.
• 55:07
  Do you understand that? Yes, I could give you a
• 55:10
  consecutive sentence. That means one sentence after
• 55:12
  another, for the separate offenses, if I did that, You
• 55:15
  face a maximum prison term of 48 months in a maximum fine of
• 55:19
  12,500 to understand that? Yes.
• 55:22
  Are you on post-release control to the Parole?
• 55:25
  Authority, know you understand your guilty.
• 55:28
  Plea may result in a driver's license suspension of between
• 55:31
  six months and five years. Yes.
• 55:34
  You understand your felony convictional prevent you from
• 55:36
  owning or possessing a firearm? Yes, you understand that?
• 55:40
  If a prison term is imposed, in this case, you might have to
• 55:42
  serve a period of post-release control as part of your sentence
• 55:45
  for up, to two years under the Parole Authority.
• 55:48
  Yes, if you are placed on post-release control and violate
• 55:51
  any conditions of Parole Authority, could send you back
• 55:53
  to prison for up to nine months. For each violation up to one
• 55:56
  half of my sentence. You understand that?
• 55:58
  Yes, if that violation is a new felony, then you could get an
• 56:03
  additional consecutive prison sentence for the violation to
• 56:05
  understand that. Yes, if that were to occur, the
• 56:09
  maximum prison sentence for the violation will be the greater of
• 56:12
  12 months with the time left under Post Release Control.
• 56:15
  Do you want to understand that? Yes, you want to understand
• 56:18
  that. If a prison term is imposed, you
• 56:19
  are eligible for judicial release.
• 56:22
  Yes. A place you on community control
• 56:25
  for up to five years but if you violate any conditions, I could
• 56:27
  send you to prison for 48 months to understand that yes.
• 56:31
  Has anybody promised you? The I would be lenient on you
• 56:35
  just because you're pleading guilty today, nobody promised
• 56:38
  you what? I will send you to, in this case
• 56:40
  know you want to understand it. Do not have to follow the
• 56:43
  sentencing recommendation to be the prosecutor or your lawyer.
• 56:46
  Yes. Have you had enough time to talk
• 56:49
  on this time? Is it before pleading guilty?
• 56:50
  Today. Yes, she discussed everything
• 56:53
  about your case and answered all of your questions.
• 56:55
  Yep. Are you satisfied with the
• 56:57
  advice? She's giving you?
• 56:58
  Yes, I am. Have you been threatened or
• 57:00
  coerced in any way to plead guilty today?
• 57:02
  No. Are you freely knowingly
• 57:04
  involuntarily entering your guilty plate?
• 57:06
  Yes, you have any questions? No, I don't.
• 57:09
  All right, Mr. Knopf. The case went to travel with the
• 57:12
  evidence show your honor, had the case received, the trial,
• 57:15
  state would have shown on her about the 28th day of March 2025
• 57:18
  on Lake County. Ohio, you Defenders walking down
• 57:21
  the street in Painesville, when Painesville, Police Department
• 57:23
  identified the defendant as someone had having an active
• 57:25
  warrant for Mentor page, with police pulled up next, to the
• 57:29
  defendant turn on their overhead lights and yelled James.
• 57:30
  The defendant is Hannah's. Pocket went around a vehicle out
• 57:34
  of sight of pains with police and dropped a drug or dropped a
• 57:39
  crack rock on the ground confirmed by like kind of crime.
• 57:41
  Let All right Miss Thomas again. He had to those facts.
• 57:45
  Nothing on her, Mr. Maxx. Did you hear what?
• 57:48
  Mr? Knox said that the facts would
• 57:50
  show the case. Went to trial.
• 57:51
  Yes. Are those facts true?
• 57:53
  Yes. What is your plea to count one
• 57:56
  tampering with evidence of felony 3?
• 57:59
  Gilding what is your plea to possession of cocaine?
• 58:02
  A felony five guilty, and what is your plea to The Fortress?
• 58:08
  Special education on Kyle too. Guilty.
• 58:29
  Here, inside here. For the record, Mr. Maxine
• 59:00
  myself, have found the right place of guilty.
• 59:04
  And you're on it for the record. I have witnessed the defendant
• 59:06
  defense cows on the guilty. I have now signed myself into
• 59:09
  your permission to return, to the bench,
• 59:29
  Mr. Maxi is this your signature on the written?
• 59:31
  Plea of guilty? Yes.
• 59:33
  Did you sign it? Voluntarily.
• 59:35
  Yes. Do you want me to accept your
• 59:37
  written please? Guilty.
• 59:38
  Yes. not accept the employee guilty, defendant was present,
• 59:42
  Ms, Thomas, EK, advised of all of his rights and only
• 59:44
  intelligent voluntary, waiver he understands the nature of the
• 59:48
  charge of consequence of his guilty and the maximum penalty
• 59:50
  to be knowing intelligent voluntarily, accept his plea of
• 59:53
  guilty, and find him guilty of count one Tampering with
• 59:56
  evidence of felony 3 and count. Two possession of cocaine,
• 1:00:01
  felony 5 and the forfeiture specification, I'll refer this
• 1:00:04
  for a present report. And a drug and alcohol
• 1:00:08
  evaluation sensing will be May 1 3.
• 1:00:12
  Treatment program right now. He is set to get released from
• 1:00:38
  that on April 14th you're honor he's really enjoying jail
• 1:00:41
  treatment program he said his extremely beneficial for him
• 1:00:43
  he's been working with one of the counselors through jtp his
• 1:00:47
  name is Dave to get into Signature Health.
• 1:00:49
  For outpatient he also does have a great support system, his boss
• 1:00:54
  has been sober for over 40 years on Mr. Maxi's also going to
• 1:00:58
  worry GTS monitor of the corporate law was fun to get
• 1:01:00
  reinstated. I'm your artistic which is like
• 1:01:03
  to try to continue on with this sobriety as indicated.
• 1:01:06
  Jtp has been very beneficial for him and He would like to try to
• 1:01:09
  continue on get in his Signature Health and get the process
• 1:01:12
  started of continuing on a history month.
• 1:01:13
  Thank you. We'll see.
• 1:01:14
  And what's the sentence for these serving?
• 1:01:22
  And okay, your honor is a misdemeanor of the first degree
• 1:01:26
  drug paraphernalia. He had a needle on him, I
• 1:01:29
  believe with some drug paraphernalia on it.
• 1:01:31
  All right. Mr. Noth Guys, they would be
• 1:01:34
  opposed the reinstating Bond. The defendant fail to appear the
• 1:01:36
  last year, and that's why the bottom was revoked.
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  But in addition to that, the defendant has multiple failure
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  to appears on his record and multiple content reports.
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  And the whole reason why he was stopped in this case was because
• 1:01:47
  he had a warrant through matter. Meaning, This, you were arranged
• 1:01:53
  on this Keys. May 16th of last year.
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  Pretrial scheduled May 22nd, they didn't.
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  I'm sorry, June 3rd, he didn't show up for it.
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  Why didn't you show up for it? My boss is Trucking broke down.
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  I did call and talk to the public defender's office and
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  asked him multiple times what I could do.
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  But to be, honestly, I was terrified.
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  I've never had a film before. I've never come to this court
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  before. I didn't know what to do and I
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  had signed away my right to a speedy trial and and I did.
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  I was terrified. I don't even have a better
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  answer for you. Well Mr. Nuff indicates that you
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  fail to appear several times before, in other courts.
• 1:02:37
  Why is that the one that he was speaking about the mentor one?
• 1:02:40
  It was all I had to pay a fine and I, it was the first right
• 1:02:44
  after I was due to me to pay it. Well, it seems like there's
• 1:02:48
  other people besides of men or women, there's others to appear.
• 1:02:51
  Yes, I would be to be honest, I was drug addict.
• 1:02:55
  Okay, well you are correct. So why would I let you out?
• 1:02:59
  If you don't like to show up, I'm changing everything in my
• 1:03:03
  life. This is a in the first time in
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  my life that I've addressed the trauma and everything that I've
• 1:03:08
  dealt with as a kid. That I didn't know, was
• 1:03:11
  underlying the issues I have been involved with a a nap
• 1:03:15
  before. But the old diagnosis part is
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  huge for me in the last five years.
• 1:03:20
  I've lost my whole family, I've lost my mom, my brother, my
• 1:03:24
  sister, For the first time, this is all hit home to me.
• 1:03:28
  All. I haven't seen my kids in years.
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  my daughter just had I have a grandson like this is all
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  changed to me. I don't know how else to explain
• 1:03:39
  it. I want to be a different man.
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  well then then you should be stopped.
• 1:03:52
  Thinking about it and stop talking about it and start doing
• 1:03:55
  it. I'm going to change the drug and
• 1:03:58
  alcohol evaluation to a psychological evaluation.
• 1:04:02
  All right. How long is your sentence?
• 1:04:05
  I know you get out on the 14th but how long was the sentence
• 1:04:08
  all together? It was 60 days.
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  Okay? What's the most time you ever
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  spent in jail before at one time?
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  60 days. This this sentence was she have
• 1:04:22
  another one like that? Yes, I had another 60 day one.
• 1:04:25
  One was that? Four years ago, okay.
• 1:04:34
  When you? Fail to show with the pre-trial.
• 1:04:40
  In June, the offer was going to be.
• 1:04:44
  The offer was a plea to attempted tampering, a felony 4,
• 1:04:49
  and the felony 5. Which Mr. Knauf was still
• 1:04:53
  willing to offer this morning and I said, no, I won't accept
• 1:04:56
  that. He understand that.
• 1:04:57
  Yes I do. Okay.
• 1:05:00
  Because you can't decide when you're going to show up and when
• 1:05:03
  you're not going to show up, I understand that.
• 1:05:05
  Well I hope you understand that because I want to reinstate your
• 1:05:08
  bond to what it was before. And I can guarantee you right
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  now. If you don't show up, or if you
• 1:05:17
  screw around out there, then you're going to go to prison for
• 1:05:20
  48 months. And prison for 48 months, is a
• 1:05:24
  hell of a lot longer than Lake County jail for 60 days.
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  You understand that? Yes, I do.
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  Anything else to know. You're right.
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  Thank you. It's time.
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  Is it? Alrighty, friends.
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  Let's go. Let's go back up to Michigan.
• 1:05:48
  Take more into judge mom. Your daughter.
• 1:05:53
  Good morning, Richard. All right.
• 1:06:04
  Good morning, lovely. Been reading a little bit for
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  you, so I'm glad that you're here now.
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  The event. Counseled as the arrangement as
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  to Randy you're out of this morning.
• 1:06:15
  I've been after the interview my client and advisor of the nature
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  of the charges against her schinner stance.
• 1:06:20
  All Maximum penalties are involved in this corner.
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  Any administrative agency and presently deciding advice of
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  rights as those we wait for reading.
• 1:06:30
  Today's 10 News, the court way, the former reading enter plea of
• 1:06:33
  not guilty for purposes of the Arena as the pretrial.
• 1:06:36
  Console retry, Runner Mike's been taking Progressive steps.
• 1:06:40
  This is a matter that she's going to enter a plea to the
• 1:06:44
  minute. Charge of no ballot offers
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  license in her possession. I have explained what that
• 1:06:49
  entails to my client will be wise.
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  It's called me or not. Do you understand the effect
• 1:06:56
  that it would have her operators license with the secretary of
• 1:06:59
  state? And I'll address the issue and
• 1:07:02
  what she has. Pending after the police
• 1:07:03
  acceptance, you are with that, it please accepted the original
• 1:07:07
  charge would be just missed on the prosecutors should All
• 1:07:11
  right, please raise your right hand.
• 1:07:13
  Do you sell me square or from the testimony about giving this
• 1:07:16
  matter be the truth. The whole truth and nothing, but
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  the truth. Yeah.
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  All right. Heard the plea that was just
• 1:07:22
  placed on the record. Correct.
• 1:07:24
  As to the amended charge of no operators license on person, how
• 1:07:30
  do you plead Changing. And you've gone over your advice
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  of rights with your attorney, correct?
• 1:07:37
  Yes. And you understand all of those
• 1:07:39
  rights, yes. You also understand my entering
• 1:07:42
  into a plea that you'll be waiving some of those rights.
• 1:07:44
  Yes. No operators.
• 1:07:47
  Like you also understand the possible penalty as a result of
• 1:07:52
  your plea, whether in this court and any other court or
• 1:07:54
  administrative agency. Knowing all of that.
• 1:07:58
  Do you want to continue with your plea?
• 1:08:00
  Has anybody promised you or anything?
• 1:08:01
  Threatened, your course to in any way for you to enter into a
• 1:08:03
  plea? And immigration issues.
• 1:08:07
  Yeah. Oh sorry, not okay, cancel.
• 1:08:09
  Please do your client. Just have, I don't know about
• 1:08:12
  June 1921. We're in the city of wind up.
• 1:08:16
  Yes. Where you upgrade motor vehicle
• 1:08:18
  that time? Yes.
• 1:08:19
  Did you have any color? But please?
• 1:08:21
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:08:23
  And that was for an expired plate.
• 1:08:24
  Is that correct? Yes.
• 1:08:25
  All over that. Excited for that.
• 1:08:26
  Did you still believe? Get a new plate?
• 1:08:28
  Yes. And upon the officer asking for
• 1:08:33
  you to produce a valid Mission, Opera's license for even do that
• 1:08:36
  at that date you time. That's because it was not valid
• 1:08:38
  on that date. Is that correct?
• 1:08:40
  Yes, I'm satisfied. Drum.
• 1:08:41
  The court is also satisfied. The play is knowing voluntary
• 1:08:44
  and factually accurate. The court will accept your plea.
• 1:08:48
  To the amended charge, dismissed, the original charge
• 1:08:50
  per the plea agreement and consulate you asking for me at
• 1:08:53
  sentencing. Yes, the court would you're on
• 1:08:56
  her, just be healthier on her behalf and As I said, taking
• 1:09:03
  proactive steps, you get all the jurisdictions to address the
• 1:09:06
  same chart. In Novi and armida and she's
• 1:09:12
  contacted all those courts. Is that correct, man?
• 1:09:14
  Yes. Do you have any court dates set
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  for any of them? Yes.
• 1:09:18
  Okay, that's good. And are you on probation or
• 1:09:21
  parole anywhere else? No.
• 1:09:22
  And you have any other cases pending other than what I had
• 1:09:25
  mentioned know. Okay.
• 1:09:27
  And my client is a right now. She's babysitting to earn some
• 1:09:32
  money. She stays with her mother, her
• 1:09:34
  mother isn't the audience he's driving like, thank you.
• 1:09:40
  All right. It's that marvelously jacket
• 1:09:42
  there so and the she can bring them a few Miracles.
• 1:09:47
  I hope so. Yeah. um, so any any
• 1:09:50
  consideration that Court could give to that, she's very sorry
• 1:09:55
  about her late appearance, And she's trying to take care of all
• 1:09:58
  that matters right now. You are.
• 1:10:00
  She's waiting to hear back from a job Supply to with Detroit,
• 1:10:04
  Public School situation board for public schools.
• 1:10:10
  As a security guard, is that correct?
• 1:10:12
  Yes. And with that was even the
• 1:10:14
  Court's discretion as a sentencing your honor, she will
• 1:10:16
  need some time to pay. Yes, she'll be able to get 50
• 1:10:20
  dollars to date then. Okay, paid a program with the
• 1:10:23
  court please. All right.
• 1:10:26
  Girl, wait, yeah. Thank you.
• 1:10:40
  See not find them because my best was nice and clean.
• 1:10:43
  All right. So um, Ma'am.
• 1:10:50
  How many other matters are? You have to figure out?
• 1:10:54
  Okay. Well, you have to start
• 1:10:59
  somewhere so he's just starting. The word is going to order a
• 1:11:04
  dollar, fine, $200 cost crime, victim, assessment fee of 75
• 1:11:07
  dollars. Just a few dollars because the
• 1:11:10
  court does not find that there's reasonable grounds to depart
• 1:11:12
  from MCL 769.5 and does not find probation will be appropriate.
• 1:11:17
  That's total of 525. Is there a warranty and Clarity
• 1:11:21
  and Technology? Are warranty. 575 total.
• 1:11:28
  You're paying 50 dollars today, can you do fifty dollars per
• 1:11:32
  month? All right, all right, so let's
• 1:11:35
  do 50 dollars per month beginning today.
• 1:11:39
  You want people? To keep it today, fifty dollars
• 1:11:45
  per month. April 9th.
• 1:11:47
  Which is today. Next one's May 9.
• 1:11:49
  Oh okay. Yes.
• 1:11:51
  Okay so please stop at the window.
• 1:11:53
  Somebody will be with you shortly and have a good day.
• 1:11:55
  No driving. Thank you.
• 1:11:57
  You're welcome. Okay, thank you, you're welcome.
• 1:12:01
  Let's go after does Mr. Max arrived yet.
• 1:12:05
  Mrs. Yes he was scheduled for 8:45.
• 1:12:11
  Okay, and white gains Fisher. Things.
• 1:12:18
  Okay, and I seen this cross, although Mr. Krystal's supposed
• 1:12:21
  to be in person. So Mr. House is on your doctor.
• 1:12:25
  Okay, great, thank you. Yes, I'm sorry.
• 1:12:29
  I thought we were off the Record.
• 1:12:30
  That's not sure not for Mr. Rice, he's doing right now.
• 1:12:35
  Well, interesting because I told him he had to be in person. so,
• 1:12:44
  it wasn't there. At 10 a.m. yes.
• 1:12:48
  He has a 28th District 30, a 27th at 8:45 and then a 10 a.m.
• 1:12:54
  Correct. Good morning, Mr. Docs We're not
• 1:13:05
  doing this again, Mr. Dots. Good morning.
• 1:13:07
  Are we needed? No.
• 1:13:15
  Mr. Docs the morning on good morning.
• 1:13:20
  These are your camera on. The morning.
• 1:13:28
  I'm at the wrong. My camera is I'm coming.
• 1:13:33
  I was just at your court, your honor, I'm and I got confused.
• 1:13:39
  And I'm coming back. I'm coming to your court right
• 1:13:41
  now. Just the parking lot came to
• 1:13:42
  Taylor because I I'm coming to your court right now.
• 1:13:45
  Wait, wait wait, what does that cancel?
• 1:13:48
  I'm coming to your court in person.
• 1:13:51
  Yes, because you're supposed to be done here for me.
• 1:13:53
  I was there. You're on.
• 1:13:56
  I was there thinking that you were here in Taylor and I came
• 1:14:00
  here to tell, I just spoke to the prosecutor.
• 1:14:01
  I was just in your parking lot, so I apologize.
• 1:14:03
  I'm just, I'm still so confused but you're interrupting me.
• 1:14:06
  So we'll see you in person in just a short.
• 1:14:08
  Yes, people that have to get that were scheduled 30th.
• 1:14:12
  Well, I was here there. I'm sorry, I was there.
• 1:14:14
  All right. I don't even know, I don't, I
• 1:14:18
  don't even have any words for that whole Exchange.
• 1:14:22
  How why would somebody think that I'm in Taylor?
• 1:14:24
  Not here? Here.
• 1:14:31
  Is that something else? If you're ready yet?
• 1:14:39
  Okay. Don't have any file.
• 1:14:44
  Yeah. Oh, that's good to see you
• 1:14:46
  today. I know.
• 1:14:48
  Yeah. Routing games.
• 1:14:49
  Yes, we don't. Talk is Mr. Games here?
• 1:14:53
  Oh yes, I'm calling me. So I got to go to exam and Grand
• 1:14:57
  Rapids. Thank you, get a hold of that
• 1:14:59
  client. So I might drive all the way up
• 1:15:00
  there for, you know. Okay, I'm predicting that That's
• 1:15:04
  all right. So that's go on the record in
• 1:15:07
  the matter of the state of Michigan was Carlton.
• 1:15:08
  He's 26332. Good morning, aren't you
• 1:15:12
  understanding Maxwell? DPM 86012.
• 1:15:15
  All right, thank you. And so today is the date,
• 1:15:21
  scheduled for the problem cause conference that is correct.
• 1:15:24
  Oh, hold on. There's another case for him.
• 1:15:27
  It's all about two, three seven. Do you have another father days?
• 1:15:31
  Mr. King are. Hold on, hold on.
• 1:15:34
  There's only one can be responsive time. 23703
• 1:15:38
  starvation violation. For who accounting games.
• 1:15:45
  All right. All right.
• 1:15:46
  So, um, we have a probation violation here today as well as
• 1:15:51
  probable cause conference. So, let's handle the probable
• 1:15:54
  cause conference first, and Cancel.
• 1:15:58
  You want to set this for an exam?
• 1:16:00
  Yes, you're on. I would separate it possible.
• 1:16:03
  I was requesting the April 30th day if who know.
• 1:16:06
  No, that's way too long. It's too far out for a number of
• 1:16:10
  reasons, but, your client was arraigned March 16th so that's
• 1:16:17
  Way. And actually, we have a Free
• 1:16:22
  trial at day, I think. Oh, that got switched.
• 1:16:34
  Oh yeah, I got um, I think that was all but not that I'm not
• 1:16:38
  going out to April 30th cancel because that's that's too far on
• 1:16:42
  time standards. So can you do Really Thursdays?
• 1:16:48
  Oh yes. Okay.
• 1:16:49
  Um, you can do in the afternoon, you can.
• 1:16:52
  Yes, we would be able to do the 23rd and you have to do Up and
• 1:17:01
  then the reason I'm asking for sure we can do the 23rd.
• 1:17:03
  Yeah, I can do the 23rd drive and at this point get resolved
• 1:17:07
  that's why this is a little more time.
• 1:17:08
  I have to get do a little more work with Mr. President on this
• 1:17:13
  one and then possibly get them in sobriety court if that is
• 1:17:16
  part of the A3 limit. So that's why I didn't want to
• 1:17:18
  waste the course time. If there is no offer, because
• 1:17:20
  that's not, there's no offer. I will hold the exam anyway so
• 1:17:23
  that's perfect for everybody, okay?
• 1:17:27
  So, I'll tell you the time here in just a moment.
• 1:17:29
  I really do have to use. That's perfect, I appreciate
• 1:17:32
  that. Oh yeah.
• 1:17:34
  Sundays we do evening. Oh, that's not ideal.
• 1:17:39
  So I appreciate you. Oh, I don't know if there's any
• 1:17:43
  Ideal Time Around Here Anymore. With our dockets, others.
• 1:17:46
  I have no time to do anything else.
• 1:17:48
  I need. I don't Yeah.
• 1:17:51
  All right. What time on the afternoon on
• 1:17:53
  April 23rd. April, you know, that whatever
• 1:17:56
  works. I know I I'm waiting for Ali to
• 1:17:58
  name it. Oh, look up.
• 1:18:03
  Okay. all right, so um, now, let's handle this probation
• 1:18:10
  violation here we got, I would just get a church that same day
• 1:18:13
  as if we do have Because of it all that one and if not, they
• 1:18:18
  can still handle information. But I think there's a big
• 1:18:20
  difference if he's playing as well as a probation.
• 1:18:23
  Well, I agree. And the court will know that
• 1:18:25
  this matter has been pending since 2023 because your client
• 1:18:28
  had to appear, right? So we will not pull the
• 1:18:36
  probation violation today. So if you're the test right now,
• 1:18:52
  what's in your system? All right.
• 1:18:55
  Find in conditions are continued.
• 1:18:57
  We'll see you back on both matters.
• 1:18:58
  April, 23rd drive and out to Grand Rapids.
• 1:19:02
  Thank you. Thanks for reminding me.
• 1:19:04
  Oh, great to see you guys. I'll see you.
• 1:19:06
  All right. Thank you.
• 1:19:07
  All right, let's go off the Record.
• 1:19:10
  Okay. Um, Let's cross.
• 1:19:14
  Good morning morning, judge. Um, okay.
• 1:19:18
  You are on Mr? Mr. Tom correct.
• 1:19:23
  That's correct. And I am also covering for Mr.
• 1:19:27
  Cribs. Today I heard overheard, you say
• 1:19:29
  he was supposed to be there in person.
• 1:19:31
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:19:33
  He has all his matters are to be in person.
• 1:19:36
  He was over three hours late last week so I'm not doing too
• 1:19:38
  many more first attorneys that don't get your time late
• 1:19:41
  special. When we're trying up the Wing
• 1:19:43
  County Jail camera. So yes, so that's to be in
• 1:19:48
  person. Okay.
• 1:19:49
  So I am covering for him today. I have a motion to argue at
• 1:19:53
  third Circuit Court after I'm done with Mr. Tunstall's case,
• 1:19:56
  so is the court going to be available Well, we're available
• 1:20:05
  all day. I don't know how long your
• 1:20:07
  motion hearing is that because this was up for 10 15.
• 1:20:12
  Right? And I was told it was by Zoom my
• 1:20:15
  motion, should only should not take any longer than a half
• 1:20:17
  hour. You were told it was by Zoom
• 1:20:20
  because I was very specific that it was in person. that's, All
• 1:20:28
  right. Well, I believe Mr. Hicks is in
• 1:20:30
  custody. As Mr. Hickson custody.
• 1:20:33
  Do we know I don't believe in custody know.
• 1:20:39
  He's not know. Well.
• 1:20:44
  Okay. so, Oh, I got as long as he's not a custody won't be
• 1:20:51
  tying up the wings, okay? With your clients so he knows
• 1:20:55
  that you're going to be late. Okay?
• 1:20:56
  Thank you judge. Thank you.
• 1:20:58
  Okay. um, Mr. Well, that good morning.
• 1:21:05
  Your honor. I have Mr. Hines.
• 1:21:10
  Yes. All right.
• 1:21:13
  Do you need to break out room with your client or with the
• 1:21:15
  prosecutor? Well, we are ready to go your
• 1:21:18
  Runner. Did you already speak to the
• 1:21:19
  prosecutor? I did.
• 1:21:22
  Miss Krause. Yes, Jerry Speaks the prosecutor
• 1:21:29
  and on Mr. Tonsil, yes, I did. Okay, is your client?
• 1:21:36
  Here. Yes.
• 1:21:40
  Oh, there he goes. Okay.
• 1:21:57
  Yes, did you ask Adamson Mullins?
• 1:22:02
  If? An attorney.
• 1:22:06
  Has spoken to her. So, well, the week or the small
• 1:22:09
  ones, you know, man. No one has soaking to me
• 1:22:12
  throughout the week. Okay, there's your answer.
• 1:22:18
  Here I'll get the file back the Laura.
• 1:22:19
  So she kicks all okay. And if you guys know the third
• 1:22:23
  Circuit Court did not send down or their court appointed, their
• 1:22:27
  appointed services, do not send anybody down.
• 1:22:30
  All right. Good morning, Mr. Milan.
• 1:22:34
  Good morning. Judge Bobby.
• 1:22:36
  Can you correct? Can you grab the tonsil file or
• 1:22:40
  Do we have a file back? Is that?
• 1:22:48
  Yes. Okay, that way Ms?
• 1:22:52
  Crossing get your emotion hearing.
• 1:22:55
  Okay. I'll need to Bobby.
• 1:22:58
  Okay? Oh yeah.
• 1:23:00
  Okay. All right.
• 1:23:06
  So I'm just waiting on the file and then I can call your
• 1:23:09
  emotion. Thank you, judge.
• 1:23:12
  You're welcome. Meantime.
• 1:23:14
  I'm going we're going on the record in the matter of the
• 1:23:17
  state of Michigan birth Dakota Hines 25241 and Council your
• 1:23:22
  appearance, please. Good morning, Johanna Wallach
• 1:23:25
  number five, five seven four. One appearing that.
• 1:23:32
  Let's go after record. Dealers.
• 1:23:37
  What's that? I hope people.
• 1:23:39
  Oh okay. We're gonna go off the record
• 1:23:43
  for a moment as we're having some technical difficulties.
• 1:23:49
  Yes, he turned in installation. I mean, yes.
• 1:23:55
  Not to install. Do we have time?
• 1:23:56
  Still. He turned on both and
• 1:24:18
  Enjoyment. I think that's correct.
• 1:24:20
  Okay, thanks. So, while that were you loved in
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  early, or did you just log in? I've been watching I logged in,
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  um, I logged in early and I was talking to Mr. Mohammed
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  regarding Mr. Harvey case and he's a jailer Was that Mr. Rolex
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  speaking, or is that Mr? Mobile that Elias mowatt.
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  Judge regarding direct Harvey. All right, thank you.
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  I was okay. Thank you.
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  I was speaking to Mr. Wallach okay.
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  I'm sorry, I've been logged in for a while.
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  Okay. We're going to run and see if
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  the batteries up front with the beach stuff and you guys.
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  Okay. All right.
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  You're probably looking for a read file.
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  Okay, could I ask the court a question?
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  Good morning. Yes.
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  And Kevin Good morning. I'm just making sure I was
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  assigned to two matters. I believe they both have a
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  retained attorneys, but I'm just double-checking.
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  It is Ryan Stevens and Russell's sweetheart.
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  Um, well, I still show so I show Ryan Stevens as Mr. Barry.
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  Looks like she's cool and I still show you on my heart.
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  Okay. Well, check the file to see if
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  there's a substitution of attorney.
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  Did you file sign up substitution of attorney?
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  I didn't sign anything. I actually haven't heard from
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  Mr. Sweetheart. It was the Mr. Muhammad that let
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  me know that he had a retained an attorney.
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  So I was just making sure all my Work's always the last to know
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  everything so that's something else.
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  So we will double check to see if there's a substance in that
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  one. Perfect.
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  Thank you. I just wanted to make sure
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  before I said no. Yes.
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  Thank you. Okay, so we're just in a little
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  bit of a pause because we're having some technical issues
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  right now. So I see Mr. All right.
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  Well this sort their tuck issues.
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  She's she's having a Monday here on a Thursday.
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  I'll tell you I think I said this in the chat.
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  I think she's half a Heartbeat Away from blowing up, but I'll
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  keep an eye let's um, let's let's go back to judge
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  Middleton. I believe he's doing a probation
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  violation hearing. Call okay.
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  This is people versus Robert Great Bear.
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  That's you, sir. Here with your lawyer Ms. Jordan
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  heart also present as a assistant prosecuting attorney
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  and he stole that was charged with domestic violence or
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  domestic assault for instance of the curd on.
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  It's January 22nd of 2026. The defendant pled guilty to a
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  domestic violence on March 5th. A prosecutor had recommended a
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  deferral. And as I advise you, at that
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  time, I can only do the deferral.
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  If the prosecutor consents, we do dozens of them every year.
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  Prosecutor, has the discretion, whether it's allow the deferral
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  or not, and the court can do it. Most of the prosecutor agrees.
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  So sometime between March 5th and our proposed sense data
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  March 23rd. There came a blessed Bond
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  violation alleging that you had violated the no contact and no
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  salty Behavior condition of your bond.
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  Yeah, I apologize for interrupting.
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  He alleged violation was February.
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  So it was well before. All right, well, we found out
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  about it before the sentence. Thank you.
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  It actually occurred before the sentence But anyway it popped
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  its head up. At the time, we were going to do
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  the sunset on March 23rd. So we could continue to matter
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  further until today for sentence.
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  Your lawyer on the prosecutor's office have been discussing this
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  matter, through the morning. As I understand our posture
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  right now, miss stole, we're going to proceed with the
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  domestic violence sentencing with the deferral.
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  Allowed by the prosecutor and we're not going to proceed on
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  the bond violation, will simply proceed on a sentencing with a
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  recommended deferral. Where if the defendant completes
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  the probation, the charge could be taken off as a record.
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  Is that the people's position? That's you Agreements are all
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  right, that was all the discussion of for the Continued
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  piece of Mind of the parties and the planet.
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  A tether GPS tether which would prohibit him from coming in to
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  physical contact with the complaint while we're on the
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  probation. So Mr. Beard, you pled guilty to
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  the domestic violence charge and the prosecutor agrees with the
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  deferral. Which means I'm going to do a
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  sentence which will allow you to take charge off your record.
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  I've got to hang some jail over your head. if you violate the
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  bond, you're just going to If there's an allegation of the
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  violation of the conditions, you'll go to jail and lose the
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  deferral to understand. You have to speak your answer.
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  Yes. All right, Jordan.
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  What would you like me to know? Thank you as the court is aware
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  of the parties do have a minor and very minor child in common.
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  So that does complicate things going further.
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  I have discussed the benefits of the deferral with my client as
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  well as the expectations of him on this probation or to receive
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  that he's aware and my discussions with the prosecuting
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  attorney. They are going to ask to
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  continue with the no contact as well as a GPS to other to
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  ensure. There's no further inappropriate
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  or salted conduct between the parties.
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  We would ask that the current Bond condition that allows my
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  client telephonic or virtual communication for the purposes
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  of talking about the needs of the child as well as parenting
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  time with the child be continued.
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  There is a domestic case in which he is awarded custodial
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  rights and parenting times. So obviously that's something
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  that he may need to navigate in the Family Court going forward.
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  Word. I have encouraged him to contact
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  his domestic attorney and try to facilitate a third party to
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  assist with that via court order to avoid any kind of
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  Confrontation or contact with the parties, he's aware of the
• 1:31:16
  stakes are very high. If he is not able to comply, he
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  was not only the deferral but potentially his employment as
• 1:31:25
  the judge, the support will order him to do some jail time.
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  So this is a case where the parties are extremely
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  intertwined due to that child and their romantic history.
• 1:31:34
  So I have advised him that even if the complaint contact him and
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  treasure initiate contact with him, he needs to ignore her so
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  that he can remain compliant and get the benefit of that
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  deferral. Otherwise, we are in agreement
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  with the conditions at the prosecution has asked for we'd
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  asked any and all jail time be deferred as part of the deferral
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  in order for him to receive the benefit.
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  However, if the court feels that any uphill time would be
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  necessary, that it be scheduled by the probation department.
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  He does not have any criminal history, no assaulted history.
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  He's the type of individual for which this deferral was intended
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  to Help. So I would ask the court to
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  afford him, all the benefits and opportunities to complete that.
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  Thank you. Mr. Stole What's your position
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  here? Thank you, your honor.
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  I've heard the deferral. Obviously learned from his
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  mistakes that he doesn't make them a gun.
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  I would ask that the court order, the most rigorous
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  domestic violence probation possible as a way to help him
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  learn from what he's done and move forward.
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  I would also ask the courts already indicated, this the
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  defendant be put on a GPS tether with hot zones around the
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  victims house and her place of work to keep him away from her.
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  I understand that in cases of domestic violence to furls that
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  the court typically doesn't order up front jail time, but I
• 1:33:15
  would like to see them go weekend in jail just so that he
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  gets a piece of what it would be like if you were to violate its
• 1:33:21
  probation. So, he understands that.
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  The courts ordered are serious. All right, Miss Shah is here
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  with the victim Advocate. Do you wish to speak or you just
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  Wish to be present. I think you want to say, I'm
• 1:33:39
  willing to hear what you have to say.
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  All right. Well, I'm glad you're here.
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  Mr. Beard, anything you want to tell me?
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  I'm very sorry for my actions. This is a I've lost quite a bit
• 1:33:54
  of sleep on this and really nervous about going through
• 1:33:58
  this. even that one day in jail that I've already spent, that
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  was I counted it as two, you got arrested late on the 22nd and
• 1:34:07
  you are early on the 22nd. He wanted laid on the 23rd.
• 1:34:11
  Stay was A pretty good I awake and this worry about buying
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  conditions and the concern of not being able to be there for
• 1:34:22
  my kid, being able to pay the child support so they can be
• 1:34:26
  supported. Where are you working?
• 1:34:29
  Systems. That's right.
• 1:34:31
  Are you about to be real busy? We're already real busy and I
• 1:34:36
  have got a lot of people got tornado gutter.
• 1:34:41
  But that's the time of year when your business picks up.
• 1:34:45
  Yeah, I've got five straight days of estimates, seven, eight,
• 1:34:48
  people a day and I'm meeting plus weekend estimates most
• 1:34:52
  times. Well, income is good to pay the
• 1:34:55
  support. This is always hard. when the
• 1:35:00
  parties have a child together, these parties were not married
• 1:35:06
  but they do have a case. And Council and parenting time
• 1:35:13
  and custody issues. So there's some family court
• 1:35:19
  supervision. The problem is you're stuck with
• 1:35:22
  each other for the next 17 years. and, I don't do divorce.
• 1:35:32
  I never had any desire. To be the Domestic Relations
• 1:35:37
  judge. God bless, judge Patterson.
• 1:35:40
  He wants to do that and he's very good at it, but it's very
• 1:35:44
  difficult and sometimes There's no good answer.
• 1:35:51
  The best answer is bad for both parties.
• 1:35:55
  Makes Shaw's life complicated, makes your life complicated
• 1:35:59
  makes the child's life complicated.
• 1:36:02
  But there's a public safety issue here.
• 1:36:07
  As your lawyer said, you've got no criminal record, prosecutor
• 1:36:11
  mentioned at all. So, I'm going to order. 90 days
• 1:36:23
  jail. Credit 2. in 88 days to serve,
• 1:36:30
  You already did two days in jail and they have the 90 days. 88
• 1:36:34
  are deferred, jewishly in a deferral, The jail first.
• 1:36:39
  However, if you violate the probation conditions, you could
• 1:36:46
  end up going to jail for 88 days.
• 1:36:51
  So, my hope is that you'll comply with the conditions.
• 1:36:55
  I want to make the finest zero. There's a 75 dollar Crime,
• 1:36:59
  Victims rights via 50 dollars, State minimum fee. 150 dollar
• 1:37:05
  attorney fee. I'm doing a 12-month probation,
• 1:37:10
  which is 480. And I need to pay for the class.
• 1:37:20
  I'm doing the full domestic violence class.
• 1:37:22
  I'm going to order Community Corrections GPS tether.
• 1:37:31
  No drugs and Noel call Ms. Shaw, I didn't get the impression that
• 1:37:39
  this was alcohol. Driven alcohol.
• 1:37:42
  Is not a factor in this matter. Is that correct?
• 1:37:44
  I didn't get that sense, but everybody that's on probation
• 1:37:48
  has this condition. And we'll do testing as directed
• 1:37:55
  if needed. You don't need drug counseling
• 1:38:01
  or treatment. All right, I forgot you're in
• 1:38:04
  Vicksburg and you're in the Michigan Avenue house.
• 1:38:08
  So you're not really very far apart.
• 1:38:20
  No contact. Thomas and that up. 125.
• 1:38:34
  Plus 150. Plus 480.
• 1:38:40
  Plus the class. But that's 755 doing one year.
• 1:38:45
  I'm doing the full class. You're actually going to benefit
• 1:38:50
  from it. I never had anybody that took
• 1:38:52
  the class, that didn't like it. They would say, well my, I hate
• 1:38:56
  my wife, you're a jerk. My lawyer, sold me out.
• 1:39:02
  I said what did you think of the class?
• 1:39:04
  Oh, I like the class. that's ironic people that were mad
• 1:39:08
  about everything actually benefited and The joy to class,
• 1:39:14
  you need it for your relationships for your
• 1:39:17
  parenting. No contact, except for custody
• 1:39:26
  and visitation purposes. Gonna does that extend to
• 1:39:30
  exchanges of the child if they were to meet it at a public
• 1:39:33
  place. Yes.
• 1:39:34
  Okay. So he can have contact and
• 1:39:36
  exchange would be a third party. I would encourage that as well.
• 1:39:42
  I'm Gonna Know. No contact except for custody of
• 1:39:47
  visitation virtually. But maybe it can go on, but it's
• 1:39:54
  going to have to get better. because, This is terrible for
• 1:40:00
  your child. Even if you don't like each
• 1:40:03
  other, you need to deal with each other.
• 1:40:07
  A child support is a bad deal all the way around.
• 1:40:10
  I've said this a lot. It's not enough money for the
• 1:40:15
  mother to support the child and it's too much money from the
• 1:40:19
  other paying parent. And in the middle is child. it's
• 1:40:28
  a It's the best answer to a bad problem.
• 1:40:36
  But again, I have encouraged him to contact his domestic attorney
• 1:40:41
  as soon as possible to try to get some third party orders in
• 1:40:44
  place not file and that could work.
• 1:40:46
  I command you that you want to continue to be a part of your
• 1:40:51
  child's life. We have so many fathers
• 1:40:55
  primarily that just disappear because they don't want to pay.
• 1:41:00
  And they end up being. Absent, dad, or non-existent
• 1:41:05
  dad, or a part-time, dad that comes in long enough just to
• 1:41:09
  screw things up. But I'm serious you guys need to
• 1:41:13
  work on it. You're going to go to this class
• 1:41:16
  which is going to help you deal with these issues.
• 1:41:21
  You're going to be on this tether, which is going to keep
• 1:41:24
  you away from the complaint. And you got a bunch of jail
• 1:41:29
  hanging over your head. you got no criminal record and if you
• 1:41:34
  can stay the course here, you know, you don't have any So
• 1:41:42
  we'll see how this goes. You can be discharged earlier
• 1:41:45
  than 12 months, if you've completed all the obligations of
• 1:41:49
  the probation. so, I'm going to Ask the court officer, to take
• 1:41:55
  you out to the counter and we'll get you plugged into the
• 1:41:58
  probation. I have him wait until the victim
• 1:42:00
  leaves. Yes.
• 1:42:01
  Well I was gonna have him go in there and then they can go off
• 1:42:05
  that way. So once you go ahead and score
• 1:42:07
  him out to the counter. All right.
• 1:42:11
  Thank you Mr. Baird I want you to hold up your end of the deal,
• 1:42:14
  you need to for your sake, her sake, and your child's sake, and
• 1:42:20
  I hope it works. You go with the court office.
• 1:42:27
  Okie dokie friends. Let's head back to Well, we
• 1:42:34
  still gonna try to things. Got a little weird here, hold on
• 1:42:37
  a minute. Let's, there we go.
• 1:42:43
  All right. Let's go back to judge.
• 1:42:44
  DeSanto. Styles and P number 53660, Kirby
• 1:42:50
  happens to standing next to Matthew Fishel.
• 1:42:52
  You identify yourself? Matthew Fisher.
• 1:42:54
  All right. Good morning.
• 1:42:55
  And today is the date. Scheduled for the adjourned
• 1:43:00
  probable cause conference. In this matter.
• 1:43:02
  There was no needed to be the cleaning to be circulated Inside
• 1:43:10
  by all parties. That is correct Jonathan.
• 1:43:13
  I think that last summer here, he has been concerns about the
• 1:43:15
  ocean by the people that is since been revamped to, I
• 1:43:20
  believe Sport. He had like flying kissing
• 1:43:23
  executed. I signed an executed as well as
• 1:43:27
  the prosecutor Mr. Monmouth. Okay.
• 1:43:30
  All right and sir I'm going to have you, please raise your
• 1:43:34
  right hand. She saw me swear or from
• 1:43:36
  testimony about to get this man. Be the truth, the whole truth
• 1:43:38
  and nothing but the truth. Yes donor, okay, and um
• 1:43:42
  consulate to place that resolution on the record.
• 1:43:45
  Yes, sir. If I may Do you want me to
• 1:43:49
  specifically spell out this settlement Opera?
• 1:43:51
  Just yes, please. Okay, your honor of what we've
• 1:43:55
  entered into was an agreement that there would be a charge
• 1:43:57
  reduction by the people as to come one.
• 1:44:00
  My client would be pleading guilty to operating while
• 1:44:03
  intoxicated set in a Fest that was reduced charge with a sense
• 1:44:07
  agreement of 30 to 90 days jail as determined by the judge if
• 1:44:10
  the defendant does not enter into a specialty Court this jail
• 1:44:14
  condition may be waived at the discretion of the court if the
• 1:44:17
  defendant completes a specialty Corps program pursuant to MCL
• 1:44:21
  2576259 the end or see the drunk driving Third charge will be
• 1:44:28
  dismissed at sentencing provided the terms of this agreement or
• 1:44:31
  satisfied the judge can impose jail at its discretion and any
• 1:44:34
  other sense term the sentence agreement is for two years
• 1:44:38
  probation with sobriety drug veterans mental health court
• 1:44:41
  that the defendant will need to find placement on or before
• 1:44:44
  sentencing know really determination probation and
• 1:44:47
  modification of the sentence. He made unless the defendant
• 1:44:50
  success specialty Court any scale approved sobriety or
• 1:44:55
  specialty Court will be acceptable.
• 1:44:56
  The 27th district court has an acceptable program in addition
• 1:45:01
  all other terms set by the court cost the prosecution of the
• 1:45:04
  minimum of 500 or more as determined in alcohol drug
• 1:45:08
  screening and treatment full restitution for any out of
• 1:45:11
  pocket costs for damages or armor incurred because the
• 1:45:14
  events honor before sentencing if applicable if the defendant
• 1:45:18
  is terminated from the sobriety or specialty Court due to
• 1:45:21
  continue program violations commits another fine while on
• 1:45:24
  probation including a license or traffic crime or the judge finds
• 1:45:29
  sufficient constituting probation do to the continued
• 1:45:32
  violations. Oh, then the balance of the Year
• 1:45:35
  must be served in jail. No work.
• 1:45:37
  Release a waiver which is non-discretionary with the court
• 1:45:41
  and above violation can be Realms.
• 1:45:43
  Also to vacate oh WS. Senate the agreement, the
• 1:45:47
  defendant will stipulate that the sentence agreement and third
• 1:45:50
  OWI offense are sufficient grounds for incarceration.
• 1:45:53
  Its imposed, the judge May accept the terms but the judge
• 1:45:57
  must accept all the terms. And the only offer is only open
• 1:46:01
  while the case is pending and the district court, okay?
• 1:46:04
  And he's also signed an executed, the standard advice of
• 1:46:07
  Rights format. Yes, as well as the this clear
• 1:46:11
  agreement, as you indicated one, just clarification.
• 1:46:14
  So it indicates the OWI 3 charge will be dismissed at sentencing.
• 1:46:18
  Providing the terms of the agreement or satisfied.
• 1:46:20
  Just so you know console once the please accept it, then the
• 1:46:25
  clerks do their data entry and, you know, reduce the charge Then
• 1:46:33
  it. Technically dismisses the OWI.
• 1:46:36
  Third. So just so we're all just, so
• 1:46:38
  everybody's on the same page in the event.
• 1:46:41
  Your client does not satisfy the terms of the agreement, then the
• 1:46:46
  people can request to have this. Please set aside.
• 1:46:50
  The court will grant it because it the way.
• 1:46:53
  Yes, because the way everything has to be inputted, it's it just
• 1:46:57
  misses the charge. You have to control over that
• 1:47:00
  part of it all computer. And that explains my claim in
• 1:47:05
  terms of going through this pretty much in depth.
• 1:47:07
  So I think he has a good understanding of a little
• 1:47:11
  specialty. Supplemented by your comments as
• 1:47:13
  well. Okay.
• 1:47:13
  Thank you. All right, so Mr. Fisher, you
• 1:47:16
  heard all the terms of that agreement that you've gone over
• 1:47:19
  with your attorney and you've signed the document.
• 1:47:20
  Correct. Yes sir.
• 1:47:22
  And as to the amended charge of OWI operating lawn tax committed
• 1:47:26
  second offense, how do you plead Yeah.
• 1:47:29
  You've got over your advice of rights.
• 1:47:31
  As you've already, you're attorneys, are indicated and
• 1:47:34
  you've signed this document. Correct.
• 1:47:35
  Yes. And you understand all of those
• 1:47:38
  rights? You also want to understand by
• 1:47:40
  entering into a plea that you'll be waiting some of those rights.
• 1:47:43
  Yes, Robert. You understand as well sir, that
• 1:47:46
  the possible penalty as a result of your plate whether in this
• 1:47:50
  court, any other court or administrative agency, and you
• 1:47:54
  all. So understand the requirement in
• 1:47:57
  your agreement to participate in sobriety court, if you're
• 1:47:59
  eligible. Yes.
• 1:48:03
  And I believe that you were working with 25th district court
• 1:48:10
  because you would requested probation on Sunday lean over to
• 1:48:14
  25th district court question Natalie from your office,
• 1:48:16
  contacted Miss Mendenhall, who was the chief relationship
• 1:48:19
  officer. So we actually went over there
• 1:48:23
  in the last time. We're in Florida, physically
• 1:48:25
  took my client. They can't process the file
• 1:48:28
  until after we first From what she's educated to me.
• 1:48:32
  So okay, one of the major core clear that because of logistics
• 1:48:36
  with a vacation and one of their staff their daughters, having a
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  child and she's leading the office for a short period of
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  time. So just wanted to make that
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  clear to the court that it's through, no, fault of our own
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  that right delay. Thank you.
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  Alright. Okay.
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  And so sir, knowing all of that, do you want to continue with
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  your plea? Yes, sir.
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  Has anybody promised you? Anything threatens you or
• 1:48:56
  coerced to, in any way for you to enter into a plate?
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  Any immigration issues, or whatever?
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  To be complete your client? Yes sure.
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  I don't worry about February 1st 2026 in the city of Wayne County
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  of shooting. The City of Wyandotte County of
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  Wayne. Were you operating a motor
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  vehicle? I Public Road?
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  Yes, prior to operating that beautiful on the public road,
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  that particular day, had you consumed out What type of
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  alcohol and how much I'll say documentary and I'm drinking
• 1:49:31
  beer? Okay, you know how many beers
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  and how many shots if you can recall quite a few shots or
• 1:49:38
  whatever yours? Okay.
• 1:49:38
  The alcohol impair, your ability to operate that motor vehicle.
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  Yes. And were you stopped by a lined
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  up? Please officer.
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  Yes. And what was the basis of that
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  stuff? Based off of those baby.
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  Okay and after that he did some field sobriety tests.
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  Yes. And you actually also did a
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  chemical test where there was a blood draw relative to
• 1:50:02
  collecting blood, to determine your blood alcohol level.
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  Yes. And would you agree, that that
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  amount was above a 08? Yes.
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  I'm satisfied. All right.
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  Thank you. And for purposes of the plea
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  council are used to relating to the level.
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  Which particularly it's a tax report.
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  As it relates to this case in that program HP is 0.21, okay?
• 1:50:28
  All right, the court is satisfied, The Plea is knowing
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  voluntary and factually accurate.
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  The court will accept your plea to the amended charge based upon
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  the terms that replace on the record regarding this plea
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  agreement. So Council, when you go over to
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  probation, just remind them that he's being screened and likely
• 1:50:50
  eligible for the 25th, district court sobriety court so they can
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  set just something after me first.
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  Thank you, doesn't make sense for you to come back beforehand
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  before you can be screened, all right?
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  And so Mr. Fisher We amended your alcohol, tether to sober
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  link and so you're still testing with that correct?
• 1:51:07
  Yeah, sure. All right, don't show anybody at
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  least and so if you were to test today anything that's not
• 1:51:12
  prescribed in your system, All right, finding conditions are
• 1:51:20
  continued. Please have a seat information.
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  Somebody will be with you shortly.
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  Thank you. So I'm not gonna show it because
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  the whole interaction was only about 30 seconds.
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  However, I did just see a cool thing over in judge, Boyd's
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  Court, a defense. Attorney had two young student,
• 1:51:36
  attorneys with him for their first time in court, and it was
• 1:51:40
  just a quick dismissal. So very super quick hearing.
• 1:51:43
  But judge Boyd, had those two student attorneys, put their
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  names on the record and then she instructed her clerk to give
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  each of them print outs of that hearing, so that they could
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  frame it and have it as a as a Keepsake.
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  So I just thought that was really cool of her to take the
• 1:52:01
  time to do that. And he let's let's go to Texas
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  so not judge Boyd but judge Stevens.
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  Here. Right here.
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  You can see he's here. Yes Mr. Chris cartridge.
• 1:52:19
  Cartridge Mrs. All right, go ahead.
• 1:52:23
  Jeremy and so that arrest in Dallas County from back in
• 1:52:28
  September that Dallas County case is still not been filed,
• 1:52:31
  much less in dieted. My client he is a resident of
• 1:52:36
  North Texas up here in Collin County or Denton County he's
• 1:52:39
  working in in Dallas and like I said you know he drove all the
• 1:52:42
  way down to Jefferson County just to turn himself in and take
• 1:52:46
  care of this warrant he's not going to have any problems
• 1:52:48
  showed up for court. He hasn't had any problems.
• 1:52:51
  What happened on October 9th? On October the 9th, what
• 1:52:55
  happened there? So so judge on October the 8th,
• 1:52:59
  I contacted Robert Menard of the Jefferson County Community
• 1:53:02
  Supervision department and talked to him about this issue.
• 1:53:06
  And I said, hey what's going on? He's a man, you know, motion to
• 1:53:09
  his UK, it's going to end up coming.
• 1:53:10
  So well, why would we drive all the way down there for us to
• 1:53:14
  tell you that? Yes, he did get arrested and we
• 1:53:16
  know that a motion to adjudicate his coming.
• 1:53:18
  Why don't you just tell him that we contacted you telling them
• 1:53:22
  that we made the cost benefit analysis to say that we're not
• 1:53:26
  going to drive 12 hours, and go ahead and issue the most dudes
• 1:53:29
  UK. And whenever that happens, we'll
• 1:53:31
  turn ourselves in which is where we're at.
• 1:53:33
  Well, you all are set in the standards in the rules, not me
• 1:53:37
  or or the rules. The rules are already in place,
• 1:53:40
  no matter what happens until he gets arrested, which didn't even
• 1:53:43
  happen until after January, right?
• 1:53:45
  I mean, this thing was five January 2nd and he's not showing
• 1:53:49
  up. On October 9th, three months.
• 1:53:53
  I mean, yeah, if I tell this is what I've said for 20 years.
• 1:54:00
  If you can't do anything on probation, you gotta show up or
• 1:54:03
  else you're on your own probation.
• 1:54:05
  Not ours. It's just you gotta report
• 1:54:08
  timely and regularly or else we're not super we're unable to
• 1:54:12
  supervise you and that's one of the allegations that's always
• 1:54:15
  important. If you if you don't show up,
• 1:54:18
  you're not on really probation. You're on your probation, which
• 1:54:22
  In the way that's tail wagging the dog.
• 1:54:24
  That's just not the way it should be but it's still not a
• 1:54:28
  good idea at all to violate the very first condition, which is
• 1:54:33
  don't commit a crime. But what do we asking for today?
• 1:54:39
  Judge? I'm just asking for a bond his
• 1:54:41
  original bomb back in 2023 was 5,000 dollars.
• 1:54:45
  It's usually double the bond is normally what I was seeing on
• 1:54:48
  these things and I'm not here. I mean, it's there is no
• 1:54:54
  standard for that here. It's it's it depends on what the
• 1:54:57
  circumstances are. I know it's double state is here
• 1:55:02
  Mr. Laird and the past the probation officer is also here.
• 1:55:09
  So if you need to Communicate with them.
• 1:55:13
  You're free to Mr. Laird on behalf of the state where I
• 1:55:18
  think he's entitled to a bond. Yes, sir.
• 1:55:20
  He's entitled to one and I cannot comment on the new
• 1:55:23
  offense, in Dallas County. I don't have the new offense
• 1:55:26
  material, it hadn't been filed yet over there.
• 1:55:28
  So I do know that the state jail felony is what they're saying?
• 1:55:32
  So yes, if he does have something violent crime, I'd ask
• 1:55:36
  that he have a GPS, put on. So that we know that, he's not
• 1:55:39
  frequenting places. That might have solicitation
• 1:55:42
  going to live. If you are released, I have my
• 1:55:46
  own place during this whole taxes and where it was all taxes
• 1:55:49
  Louis, Okay from probation anything.
• 1:55:57
  We all talk about that. We're not talking about that is
• 1:56:02
  related to his probation. All right.
• 1:56:06
  What are you asking for Jeremy? How much I ten thousand dollar
• 1:56:09
  Bond judge? Said 5,000.
• 1:56:13
  Well, 5,000 was the original one from two to 2023.
• 1:56:16
  Okay. Well, here's what we're gonna do
• 1:56:19
  7500, okay, I'm ordering for 7,500 bust.
• 1:56:23
  Plus, you're going to have to have a GPS device on you.
• 1:56:27
  So we know where you are. So that when you're not
• 1:56:30
  reporting we have over here and It is there any or you asking
• 1:56:38
  for home confinement on this house or not?
• 1:56:41
  That's necessary and these circumstances.
• 1:56:43
  Okay, so if you posted on you get out of here.
• 1:56:47
  What are you going to do during the day?
• 1:56:48
  I have a job. Sir, what do you do?
• 1:56:50
  Internet management since the fall of 23.
• 1:56:54
  So coming up So, what are you doing here?
• 1:56:57
  You got a responsible job, you know?
• 1:56:59
  Yes. And responsibility to a family,
• 1:57:01
  I guess. Fix this.
• 1:57:02
  Yes. Fix it the past six months I've
• 1:57:05
  been in therapy for it and I also going to church and got
• 1:57:08
  about studying about it. Has that working amazingly,
• 1:57:12
  awesome guy, divorce and it's been has that working.
• 1:57:15
  Amazing world of great co-parents.
• 1:57:17
  I was in. I was we were invisible marriage
• 1:57:20
  and Octon God and the church. I go to Bible study every
• 1:57:25
  Wednesday and I see my therapist, every Monday and I'm
• 1:57:28
  award-winning car salesman doing my best to stay out of jail.
• 1:57:31
  I know I made a mistake. Well, it's fixable it's it's the
• 1:57:36
  test of character. Everybody makes a mistake
• 1:57:39
  everyone in here has made a mistake defendants another.
• 1:57:42
  It's how you fix your stuff. That's the test.
• 1:57:44
  Just want to fix it just well and responsible good.
• 1:57:48
  And that's the test of character.
• 1:57:50
  Okay. All right do better and that's
• 1:57:53
  gonna be the order of the court. Next event is he'll post on,
• 1:57:57
  he'll get out. We're going to have what an
• 1:57:59
  announcement. I just see what's going on with
• 1:58:01
  Dallas, is one of my coordinators, she'll send you
• 1:58:05
  something on. The next event here.
• 1:58:08
  Yes, sir. Okay, anything else.
• 1:58:11
  I don't, I don't just want on the GPS judges.
• 1:58:14
  During the way we can have that monitored.
• 1:58:15
  He reports up in calling county every month.
• 1:58:18
  Is there any way we can get calling county to maintain that
• 1:58:20
  GPS? We've always done it because I
• 1:58:28
  never thought another A probation on the bonding company
• 1:58:32
  kind of keeps an eye on things and if there's an issue then we
• 1:58:36
  just we all look at it and see what's what's going on.
• 1:58:39
  Where he is if you keep the charge up, we'll be good.
• 1:58:42
  Yes sir, okay, that sounds great.
• 1:58:45
  Yeah, don't lose the charge on it.
• 1:58:47
  Sometimes it leaves out fast, but he's the charge.
• 1:58:51
  So the discharge is then they'll be an alarm.
• 1:58:55
  That will be set off. Of where are you?
• 1:58:56
  Where's Waldo? In the department work is I
• 1:58:59
  don't think it's chargeable 8. Yeah, I'm sure it and he didn't
• 1:59:06
  he didn't have to wear it while I was being charged.
• 1:59:08
  Is it doesn't? Yeah.
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  Nothing. It's okay.
• 1:59:11
  I do it. Don't they do it a nightmare?
• 1:59:15
  Yeah. How long does it take to, oh,
• 1:59:19
  takes a few hours? Do it at night when it's a pain?
• 1:59:26
  Just don't walk in your sleep. A long way.
• 1:59:34
  Oh, okay, we'll get a resetting everybody.
• 1:59:37
  Okay thanks. Thank you, thank you.
• 1:59:40
  Yes. All right, let's head back up to
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  Michigan. Ingham County, this time and one
• 1:59:45
  of our new favorites judge aquilina.
• 1:59:56
  Know that we are. Sorry, this is not.
• 1:59:59
  All right, let me get back on just 25 288, good morning
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  daughter apart boxer. We have people saying Michigan
• 2:00:18
  and assistant public defender, Sarah Donnelly on the defend, it
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  Alberto Perez. Who is standing to my right?
• 2:00:23
  All right circles, raise your hands?
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  You swear her about to provide me the truth and nothing but the
• 2:00:31
  truth. I don't know how to approach.
• 2:00:33
  Yes. And you're very rich and start
• 2:00:37
  taking any medication yesterday. No, you supposed to be
• 2:00:40
  medication? You're not.
• 2:00:41
  Oh yeah, but I don't think I okay.
• 2:00:44
  So, by not being on medication, your ability to understand the
• 2:00:49
  court, where your attorney. All right?
• 2:00:51
  So you're feeling fine today. Sir piece again times, you
• 2:00:54
  returning. All right.
• 2:00:56
  And I understand this is going to be a pledge today.
• 2:00:59
  Is that correct? And you still live on Waverly
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  Road? Know your owner.
• 2:01:05
  He has an address that we've listed on Rosedale, okay?
• 2:01:08
  I do see that. Okay, we'll make sure that
• 2:01:11
  there's a little later and putting those are.
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  Yeah. Who do you live with?
• 2:01:16
  Oh my girlfriend. Okay.
• 2:01:20
  And are you a boy? Oh not I know.
• 2:01:24
  Okay. So is she always for you?
• 2:01:29
  Yeah, my brother does and you And so, is she helping to
• 2:01:45
  support you? And he said yes.
• 2:01:47
  No, no. Okay.
• 2:01:51
  So you're going to cleaning Today, were you on probation
• 2:01:58
  parole or Bond conditions on another file?
• 2:02:01
  And Are you sure why police officer clean and the third
• 2:02:15
  degree publicans and sentencing counts?
• 2:02:19
  Two resisting, a police officer and the eventual for the feather
• 2:02:23
  status will be dismissed There is also a kilo route agreement
• 2:02:27
  to 12 months up front. To serving someone like that.
• 2:02:35
  Well, 12 months. Do you have a cat?
• 2:02:38
  Yes. Okay.
• 2:02:40
  All right. So, fair accurate and complete.
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  Yes. All right, and you're waiting to
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  come true individual report. Yes.
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  As a cat one? Yes, sir.
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  Are people seem to Michigan versus Alberto, Herrera, Perez
• 2:02:56
  state of Michigan County of income and the name of the
• 2:02:59
  people of the state of Michigan. The prosecuting attorney for
• 2:03:02
  this County appeared before the court and informs the court that
• 2:03:06
  on date. And at the location, described
• 2:03:08
  below, the defend it and count. One.
• 2:03:10
  Police officer, flea, third degree vehicle codes.
• 2:03:14
  Honor about January 31st. He doesn't 25 at North Martin
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  Luther King. slash West Oakland, Lansing, Michigan 48915 Ingham
• 2:03:27
  County state of Michigan the defendant being the driver of a
• 2:03:30
  motor vehicle to whom was given a visual or audible signal by
• 2:03:34
  hand voice emergency light or siren by Jake Ellis a police
• 2:03:39
  officer who is a full uniform and the objective Vehicles
• 2:03:43
  identified as an official police vehicle acting in the law
• 2:03:47
  performance of his slash her Duty directing the defendant to
• 2:03:51
  bring his slash her motor vehicle to a stop did woefully
• 2:03:55
  fail to obey that direction by attempting to flee or move that
• 2:03:59
  officer in an area with a speed limit for 35 miles per hour or
• 2:04:03
  less contrary statue. This is a felony this punishment
• 2:04:07
  to five years and or 1,000 the Secretary of State shall suspend
• 2:04:12
  the license for one year for MCL 257.319.
• 2:04:17
  Port Charlotte Law Enforcement to collect DNA identification
• 2:04:19
  profile samples before sentencing or disposition in
• 2:04:23
  time of the West and he gets a piece of unity of the State
• 2:04:29
  starting to understand what was just read.
• 2:04:31
  So you understand how one police officer playing third degree
• 2:04:36
  under the motor vehicle code is 800 years of Secretary of State
• 2:04:42
  shall suspend your license for one year.
• 2:04:47
  And it looks like you signed the advisory Forum.
• 2:04:50
  Did you read it before you sign it?
• 2:04:51
  Did you understand what you read?
• 2:04:53
  Yeah. And if you have any questions,
• 2:04:55
  you're trying to be able to answer those.
• 2:04:57
  Yeah. As to count one police officer
• 2:05:01
  fleeing under the Motor Vehicle Code, third degree.
• 2:05:06
  How do you complete? Yeah.
• 2:05:13
  You're changing your plea from from not guilty.
• 2:05:17
  Are you changing it to, you know, okay.
• 2:05:20
  And sir, did anyone Force threat or coercion the question please?
• 2:05:27
  And understand you have to tell me that now, because if you tell
• 2:05:32
  me that later that you should have played, I don't have to lie
• 2:05:34
  to try to play. Okay?
• 2:05:36
  And you decided to plead after you spoke with your journey.
• 2:05:40
  Yeah. And you just had assignments or
• 2:05:42
  representation of your attorney. Yeah.
• 2:05:45
  And do you understand that? If you choose to appeal now, you
• 2:05:50
  first have to ask permission of the court and feels so he'll
• 2:05:53
  need to try. Then you would have an automatic
• 2:05:57
  right to request and appeal and have that be granted but now it
• 2:06:02
  becomes a decision of where he'll understand that.
• 2:06:04
  Yeah. Now if you violate a lot or
• 2:06:08
  bottom conditions between now and sentencing I do not have to
• 2:06:12
  honor to know about the county cap.
• 2:06:15
  I could send you a prison if I wanted.
• 2:06:18
  However, if you honor everything and I did more than having a cat
• 2:06:23
  I relied it was dry or clean this Natalie began to preach all
• 2:06:27
  stage and understand that yeah. Okay today.
• 2:06:30
  I'm sorry. What I will do at sassing other
• 2:06:32
  than the previous. She just asking if we've talked
• 2:06:40
  about anything that she might send you to definitively Essence
• 2:06:44
  have I said that she had said what she will do it sensing it.
• 2:06:47
  No. And that's because I don't know.
• 2:06:50
  I'll make up my mind at says understand.
• 2:06:53
  Yeah, okay. Now sir, did this offense occur
• 2:06:59
  on January 31st 2025. In the city of Lansing County
• 2:07:06
  Museum state of Michigan. Yeah at a specific location
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  known as North Martin Luther King and West Oakland contact
• 2:07:14
  with law enforcement and you were driving a motor vehicle.
• 2:07:18
  Yeah, and you saw the police with their sirens in the dark
• 2:07:23
  uniform and marked vehicle. Yeah.
• 2:07:26
  And you knew that you were supposed to stop because they
• 2:07:29
  were acting in their official capacity.
• 2:07:32
  You failed to stop? Is that correct?
• 2:07:34
  Yeah, did you take off or go in a different direction?
• 2:07:39
  And they told you to Well, I'm I'm never the gulf I used and I
• 2:07:44
  started all the way he didn't stop by the way.
• 2:07:46
  Yeah. Okay.
• 2:07:47
  Did you eventually sound? Yep.
• 2:07:49
  Okay, but you should stop a lot sooner.
• 2:07:52
  Yeah. And you were continuing to go
• 2:07:55
  forward without stopping trying to elude them.
• 2:08:06
  I would say Mr. Did you you like, said Mr. Perez, you were
• 2:08:15
  in an area where like in a residential area like you're
• 2:08:19
  going home, right? And the street was less than 30,
• 2:08:23
  the mile per hour that's been, it was like 300, right?
• 2:08:27
  And you, and you were being directed to stop your vehicle.
• 2:08:31
  Correct? And he said yes.
• 2:08:34
  Yes. And you were not and you did not
• 2:08:36
  stop it, correct? Yeah.
• 2:08:37
  Now you didn't you didn't necessarily speak up, correct?
• 2:08:41
  But you did not slow down or stop.
• 2:08:43
  Yeah, you can continue until you got home, right?
• 2:08:48
  Yeah. All right.
• 2:08:49
  And So do you agree that you were you you weren't you were
• 2:08:56
  disobeying you were attempting to flee?
• 2:08:59
  Okay, yeah. Your honor that's I believe
• 2:09:05
  that's all I can get. Our house somewhere else is just
• 2:09:15
  owning. Those are placed on the record
• 2:09:17
  know you are know as part of my program.
• 2:09:20
  You have your own. Yes.
• 2:09:38
  So how far did you drive once you saw or maybe you can answer
• 2:09:43
  that councils in the police report?
• 2:09:45
  It is in the police report. You're I mean, it was just a few
• 2:09:49
  blocks with his house or was it a longer?
• 2:09:51
  It was a traffic stop started on while they're traveling west on
• 2:09:57
  Saginaw Highway his his street would that would save you about
• 2:10:01
  six or seven blocks or less than that before he turned onto his
• 2:10:08
  street and then pulled it and then continued his driveway.
• 2:10:12
  Okay, I finally found this please and it's really
• 2:10:16
  voluntarily knowing and understanding we made without
• 2:10:19
  having to influence throughout the colors or Promises of
• 2:10:22
  latency as a core comply with portal.
• 2:10:24
  You have your owner. Yes, and I was fishing grounds
• 2:10:29
  to accept defense play in the full circumstances.
• 2:10:34
  Therefore God will enter cup 2 and a visual forth.
• 2:10:41
  Are just missing their entirety maybe outstanding words, if
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  annually to this file are also recalled and dismissing. date
• 2:10:53
  June 17th at 10:30 Thank you. All right.
• 2:11:03
  So you need to make the keeper appointment with probation
• 2:11:06
  probably go down now. Otherwise, you can call them the
• 2:11:09
  numbers 4836200 on the purple sheep, but we can't go to set
• 2:11:14
  the same thing with out that free stuff from education
• 2:11:16
  report. So, please go downstairs and
• 2:11:18
  make and keep that appointment button conditions are continued.
• 2:11:22
  Anything else we need? No, thank you.
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  All right, thank you. TCF live entering our three on
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  this Thursday. I hope you all having fun so
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  far. I know I am Let's go to
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  Louisiana. Say, good morning to the board.
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  The. Night 2026.
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  We're at the Department of Corrections headquarters.
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  In Baton Rouge the panel today consists of to my left is Danny
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  Ballroom to my right, Pete Freeman, and my name is Steve
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  freighter, we're going to be conducting parole hearing.
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  And for all revocation here, just morning from this location
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  to a number of different locations throughout the state
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  staff. Would you introduce yourself
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  please? Yes, Whitney Houston.
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  Okay thank you. Our first place that will be
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  going is to Winchester by George ship and it's a revocation here
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  against Mr. Eddie Robinson is that um looking at Mr. Robinson
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  yes sir. Okay, and Deputy would you
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  introduce yourself please, so it's major Culpeper.
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  Okay. Thank you made.
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  Appreciate that. Appreciate that.
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  And Let's see. Mr. Robinson, would you give us
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  your DLC? Number pleasure. 414582.
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  Okay. And your case is being handled
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  by Mr. Balrog and he's going to be going over the your form that
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  you signed and all that sort of thing with you.
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  And see, make sure that you ready for this hearing and then
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  we're going to have to hear it so Mr. Right.
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  Sure. Yours to call.
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  All right, Mr. Robinson. I'm reviewing your summary of
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  your preliminary hearing held with Probation and Parole and
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  looks like they determined that you are not eligible for
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  appointed consoles. So we're going to go ahead and
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  proceed with how to point and consulate.
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  Have you hired a consulate with you?
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  Oh no. Sir.
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  I was still waiting on the door racing of The case I didn't I
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  don't think I need a waiting to the charges, so I got of this
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  Mr. Whatever. Okay, well it looks like that
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  having got that for you yet, we're going to review the case
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  anyway, and she if you have violated, there's The conviction
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  is not the violation that criminal behavior is what the
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  violation would be. Okay, you don't have to have
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  that conviction. So let's start out, it's alleged
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  that you have violated condition.
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  Number two, Of your parole that you submit monthly reports by
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  the 5th of every month until you complete your supervision.
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  You also report to the parole officer when directed to do so
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  Also Blanchard read the violation and stated that you
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  have failed to report for the months of October November
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  December in 2024. And also in 2025, you feel for
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  January February, February May and June.
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  Parolee Robertson played guilty and stated.
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  He was scared to report because he was using drugs and was
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  afraid. He would be put back in jail.
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  Yes, sir. Is that still you statement
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  today? Oh, yes sir.
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  Yes sir. All right.
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  Then the second violation. Is a violation of condition.
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  Number four, as you're not engaged in criminal activity,
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  nor was associated with persons known that.
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  I've been in college in activity You you will. avoid large and
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  casinos and we're refrained from illegal use of drugs and alcohol
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  Croatian parole officer reports it on 613 25 you are arrested
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  for the offense of home invasion domestic battery by
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  strangulation and domestic abuse battery with child endangerment.
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  What do you have to say about that charge?
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  Oh, those are the current charges that are more still
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  fighting right now. I'm I'm innocent of those
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  Chargers. That's the reason they are still
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  ongoing because I was going to take those matters to trial or
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  other March 30th. When I went to court the da had
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  came up with a plea offer or three more years probably but I
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  didn't get to hear it swingley while I was at court.
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  So they sit down to May the full because I was willing to fight
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  those children because I was innocent of Auto charger and I'm
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  only fighting one shows of home invasion the domestic abuse
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  battery in the Charlie Daniels. I'm no longer fighting no
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  choice. I'm only fighting one charge
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  home in another charging them up currently going to court on that
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  medicine. part of the father and Victim Assistance coordinator
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  with the home invasion it was and has spending coordinator May
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  4th. Yes, sir.
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  The victim in the domestic abuse charges and the child
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  endangerment. There were unable to locate
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  didn't respond to the lattice. Okay, so it looks like the
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  evidence was presented by Officer Blanchard.
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  In form of a police report but a home invasion. and says officer
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  trout Trevor chachere stated that on May 23rd 25 he was
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  dispatched to 1207 3rd Street in Springfield reference to a
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  domestic disturbance in progress as officer sharing made his
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  right hand turn onto their street.
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  He observed a great sedan to be traveling at a high rate of
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  speed. officers were then informed by the caller the
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  victim and the suspect when integration Dan and that the
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  male subject for the victim into the vehicle by her throat after
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  finding out this information officers to actually began
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  attempted to catch up with the vehicle officer Rodriguez and
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  officer, Andrea. Officers reach speeds of 95
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  miles an hour trying to regain a visual on the vehicle.
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  Which was now Southbound on Arkansas Street. officer
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  accessory approached the vehicle He noticed that the vehicle was
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  occupied by a white female operator along with three small
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  children. of that she had been involved in a disturbance on 3rd
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  Street in Eddie Robinson and that he had punched her in the
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  face. Shannon stated that he did not
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  that she did not remember much of the incident due to
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  everything going White when she got hit.
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  But stated that she did not think that he had children. when
• 2:18:35
  shein when asked Shane away Robertson was she stated he had
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  jumped off the vehicle near the railroad tracks and ran put it
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  area therefore explaining why the vehicle came to a sudden
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  stop on, Arkansas Street? Anna stated that when Robinson
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  saw the blue lights approaching That he told her let me out and
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  began crawling over her son Bryson.
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  While speaking with Shane officers know the Shaded to have
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  difficulty speaking due to the voice sounding raspberry and
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  sounding as if she could barely speak.
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  Shana has swelling on her face and had a hard time speaking so
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  officers called. EMS to check her out.
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  Also accessory spoke with Shane is going to J.
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  Jason Lewis Who was seated in the right passenger seat?
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  And asked her if she knew what happened.
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  Jason stated that they that they were at her mom's friends house
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  when the man showed up and began yelling at her mom and hitting
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  her in the face. Jason stated that the man and
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  yelled at mom to get in the car and drive.
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  But then the man jumped out the car and ran into the woods back
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  there going to the railroad track. when asked Shane that
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  stated that she did not wish to press charges but was advised by
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  Spring Hill Police Department. She they would be picking up the
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  Chargers on behalf of the state. Offices then went and got a
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  witness statement from Janice Nipper Janice Nipper stayed in
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  that Shayna and her children were visiting when Robinson
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  suddenly entered the residents without permission.
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  And knocking once inside the residents Robinson cornered
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  Shane and began screaming at her.
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  Before he punched Shayna with a closed fist in the face.
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  Nicholas stated that the following the following this
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  Robinson for shein to the vehicle and screamed at her to
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  drive. Different stated that Robinson
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  was seated in the backseat on the driver's side and was
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  holding Shayna by the neck as they Departed the scene before
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  the officers arrived. Nipple stated that she wished to
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  press charges against Robinson or coming in to her residence
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  stating that Robinson has been repeatedly told not to come to
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  her residence and has not been invited to come over on the
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  night of the incident. the police issued warrants for
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  Roberts That's the evidence we have we listening to you and see
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  what you got to say. Oh.
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  Those those are charges were completely blew out of
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  proportion, by Mitch Denise Nichols.
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  And she have contacted the da with all to that.
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  She don't want to pursue each charges and that that's
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  currently what I'm going through right now in the in the court.
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  That's what we're going back and May the 4th.
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  I hope to get a dismissal of all these charges.
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  I'm interested in these charges. I didn't I didn't do.
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  Only thing that's true in there. Is that Shana?
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  Let me out the car because she told me Mr. Lee, out of
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  proportion and had called the police for me, to leave the
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  resident. There are other stuff, I didn't
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  do, none of those stuff in. And I'm going to court right now
• 2:22:05
  to prove that I'm interested in every thing that was a presented
• 2:22:08
  in those police reports. So you saying that kid live
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  eight year old kid? I'm saying that the kids said
• 2:22:15
  that I punched Shana in the face repeatedly and Mr. Denise and
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  Shayna said, only cost to one time with a closed fist, I'm
• 2:22:22
  saying that Mr. Denise told the kids in the house with to say,
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  Shana is the one that said, let's leave here because Mr.
• 2:22:29
  Nice call the police. I'm saying that everything in
• 2:22:32
  this police report outside of me, jumping out of the car
• 2:22:35
  because Santa told me that the police were called or not true.
• 2:22:39
  And that's the reason and and the charges are not.
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  Trying to refuse to press charges from the time.
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  Yes, sir. That does not matter.
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  Did you go into Miss Nipper's house?
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  Oh, I was already. There I have been there all day
• 2:22:59
  that the Chargers are frivolous. You know, she asked me to leave,
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  but I did not go into a house on authorized and I did not go in
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  the house for I had been there all day.
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  Oh, we was all in there. Or using drugs.
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  It those those accounts did not happen.
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  I did not punch in the face. I did not do this with the kids.
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  I told her I told my PO the only reason I didn't report is
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  because we had been under the influence of Memphis city mean I
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  was using and I feel like it was a proper for me to come to jail
• 2:23:33
  because I had needed help with getting off.
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  Drew's I wrote The Da and I told the district attorney what had
• 2:23:40
  happened to it was a misunderstanding in the house
• 2:23:43
  while I was out in the house but a home invasion in an authorized
• 2:23:47
  her, I did not do oh, it looks like everybody just never Ms.
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  Shaina the daughter the police everybody's line and the only
• 2:24:01
  one telling the truth that you but you want drugs.
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  So, how do you remember what's true?
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  We was all on drugs I'm saying I'm still of a sound mind.
• 2:24:08
  We was all on your mrr news and or sailor we was arguing and the
• 2:24:14
  kids was not in there to even see what happened in the room
• 2:24:17
  was just me Mr. Nice and Shana in a room by ourselves.
• 2:24:22
  That's what went on the kids would not even in the room to
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  even see if anything went on not go on.
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  I'm saying that Mr. Denise has contacted the da to let him know
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  that it was a misunderstanding and when she told me to leave
• 2:24:35
  the only reason she called she told me to leave that was the
• 2:24:39
  problem not me jumping on. The lady in front of kids I got
• 2:24:46
  kids. I didn't I never ever once been
• 2:24:48
  to jail for domestic abuse. And this is not my old lady.
• 2:24:53
  That's nothing like that. We was all just friends getting
• 2:24:56
  hot. The real situation was behind me
• 2:24:59
  telling oh Let me interrupt you just a second.
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  We sing one of my favorite. Verses in the Bible, is it
• 2:25:08
  gagging on a nap and swallowing a camel?
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  That's what you we can talk about this domestic but you
• 2:25:15
  telling me that y'all was all into doing math and you're on
• 2:25:18
  parole. Look.
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  I need help. I'm not the only Corolla this
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  using drugs. I'm telling you the truth of
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  that. Okay.
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  I appreciate access. All I wanted to know.
• 2:25:30
  I'm just telling you the truth or what was going on.
• 2:25:32
  If anything I needed some rehab but I did not do a home invasion
• 2:25:38
  or none of that. I'm telling you to truth.
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  Yes, I'm telling you and we was all in the house.
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  Let's move on. I got one last question.
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  Why running? If you Sir, I'm now around.
• 2:25:51
  I was in a lot of bad things when I was young and you're
• 2:25:56
  right. I understand exactly what you
• 2:25:58
  saying, but I was let out the car before.
• 2:26:01
  It was even a police even on the thing, Senator told me when we
• 2:26:05
  left the house, me and Shannon left the house with, she told me
• 2:26:08
  that these called the police. So, the police gonna become a
• 2:26:11
  sheet. Let me out the car wasn't no
• 2:26:13
  climbing over the running out of it wasn't none of that.
• 2:26:16
  She let me out the car and and that's and that's what it was.
• 2:26:22
  I've got one final question. How did you expect you to ever
• 2:26:25
  get help? If you wasn't going to report to
• 2:26:27
  the rule office because I was in denial sir, I needed help.
• 2:26:30
  My mom had been telling me I needed help, you know?
• 2:26:32
  And and I did you know my parole office told me if you need
• 2:26:35
  anything or you know, come talk. But I was in denial, you know,
• 2:26:39
  you know, Pride, you know, kind of was in the way like I was
• 2:26:42
  thinking I could do about myself.
• 2:26:43
  Like I had to thank figure out just like, you know, my fiance
• 2:26:47
  is on camera, you know, I was Pride had got in the way I
• 2:26:50
  thought I could do it on my own and get off on my own but I
• 2:26:53
  could. All right.
• 2:26:55
  Thank you. I moved from executive session,
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  you want to call Jennifer from a country.
• 2:27:03
  He never said, no. All right, we'll call for
• 2:27:12
  testimony from his Jennifer. McCutchen.
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  Yes, sir. All right, tell us what, you
• 2:27:21
  know about this situation. Um I do I do know that Eddie
• 2:27:26
  was, you know, having a problem with math. um, He was having a
• 2:27:33
  problem with meth and over there.
• 2:27:35
  Um you know Miss Nippers has the house and she's basically A
• 2:27:43
  lonely older woman that invites young people over to do drugs.
• 2:27:48
  I don't do drugs, I don't do drugs, I understand.
• 2:27:53
  So she invites these people over to hang out and do drugs.
• 2:28:00
  So she's not bored and, you know, any any was not a mess
• 2:28:04
  user prior to him getting out of jail this last time.
• 2:28:10
  And, you know, he just met this, uh, Shayna girl.
• 2:28:16
  And she is a, she's been a user for a long time, and I think she
• 2:28:22
  was just trying To find somebody to. you know, that interests her
• 2:28:29
  to do it with and unfortunately, Eddie got caught up in that and
• 2:28:35
  and I know I know that he was not used to that stuff and he,
• 2:28:42
  you know, he it wasn't good for him.
• 2:28:46
  So he got a little did a lot of stupid stuff but I know now I
• 2:28:51
  believe now that he You know, has his mind together and wants
• 2:28:56
  to definitely not go down that road again.
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  And that's pretty much what I know about it.
• 2:29:05
  All right, thank you for your testimony.
• 2:29:09
  Thank you sir. Anybody else has questions?
• 2:29:12
  No sugar. All right Robinson, let me think
• 2:29:18
  we've heard enough of this one. It's Basically, you have gone to
• 2:29:22
  supervision because you were on drugs.
• 2:29:24
  You admit that you continue to use drugs while you were on the
• 2:29:29
  road and you're a fist offenders.
• 2:29:31
  So I'm sure you had several periods of parole before to know
• 2:29:34
  the distance. Illegal and it not approved.
• 2:29:38
  and, But oh, simple reasons. I have no choice but to revoke
• 2:29:43
  your, bro, I'm gonna Harden them to put in some drug treatment
• 2:29:47
  while you're in there. So, when you get out to be all
• 2:29:49
  right, yes, sir. Yes sir, I agree with.
• 2:29:54
  I agree with it can't help. If you don't go ask, you know, I
• 2:29:58
  need it. I'm saying I don't I don't got a
• 2:30:01
  problem which is, you know, I got a son at home to just born
• 2:30:06
  six months. I need all that.
• 2:30:07
  I have to be the best version of myself for my fiance and my son
• 2:30:11
  family. So I think it's a proper
• 2:30:13
  decision making, but you gotta ask for it and agree to it, you
• 2:30:17
  know, I can order it, but if you don't want to take it, you don't
• 2:30:19
  want to. I want and do they have do you
• 2:30:23
  all have the treatment there and that facility?
• 2:30:26
  Yes, sir, or else I'll be moved over to Bossier one of the two
• 2:30:29
  if moving if you if you have to but we want to get him in the
• 2:30:33
  treatment as soon as we can. Just sir.
• 2:30:35
  Yes. Thank you.
• 2:30:40
  You know, I've finally violating condition number for of his
• 2:30:47
  probation in order to vote and I can carry valid motion number
• 2:30:52
  two, man. The probation and we all concur
• 2:30:58
  with the recommendation of drug treatment.
• 2:31:01
  All right. Good luck to you hopefully, you
• 2:31:04
  know this here at 9:08 you are revoked.
• 2:31:08
  Thank you. Revoked to the surprise of
• 2:31:15
  absolutely. No one.
• 2:31:16
  Let's go to Texas judge Boyd. Heroes hero 641 State versus
• 2:31:24
  Jesse Ramirez. Can I have parties announced?
• 2:31:27
  That's what she remiss are you Mr. Ramirez?
• 2:31:33
  Council have you received all discovery.
• 2:31:34
  Did you review with your client Port will find that the state is
• 2:31:38
  in compliance with Discovery Mr. Ramirez.
• 2:31:40
  Did you review the application for deferred adjudication with
• 2:31:43
  your attorney that you understand it and sign it?
• 2:31:45
  It's your review the true bill of indictment with your
• 2:31:48
  attorney. Did you understand it council?
• 2:31:51
  Do you waive the reading of the indictment?
• 2:31:53
  Yes. I do state.
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  Are you receiving on the indictment as presented Mr.
• 2:31:58
  Ramirez? Did you review the court at
• 2:31:59
  monuments with your attorney to understand and decided and all
• 2:32:02
  the appropriate places? Charging possession of a
• 2:32:06
  controlled substance peeling group 1B 4200 grams.
• 2:32:10
  That's a second degree. Felony.
• 2:32:12
  The range of punishment is anywhere from 2 to 20 years in
• 2:32:15
  prison and up to 10,000 dollar fine.
• 2:32:17
  If you have a plead with the state, the court does not have
• 2:32:20
  to follow your plane. If the court does not follow
• 2:32:23
  your bargain for the fact that you entered a plea will not be
• 2:32:27
  used against will be allowed withdraw your right to jury
• 2:32:31
  trial a right for you or your attorney to cross examining
• 2:32:34
  confront any Witnesses. The state will call in the right
• 2:32:37
  to remain silent no gum chewing Did you understand by entering
• 2:32:45
  this plea you were giving up those rights?
• 2:32:47
  And did you intense give up those rights and enter into play
• 2:32:51
  in this case? Yes.
• 2:32:54
  It's understand that the court would a branch or application
• 2:32:56
  for deferred adjudication. And for any reason, your
• 2:32:59
  deferred adjudication will revoke the court, could find you
• 2:33:01
  guilty and sentence you up to 20 years in prison and up to 10,000
• 2:33:05
  dollar fine. Yes.
• 2:33:08
  Council has your client been able to provide you with any
• 2:33:10
  defenses. Yes, he has.
• 2:33:11
  Do you believe he has a rational, as well as a factual
• 2:33:14
  understanding of the charges against him?
• 2:33:16
  Yes, he does. He believe he's currently
• 2:33:18
  competent was legally saying at the time of the offense really
• 2:33:21
  confident, Mr. Ramirez, has anyone threatened you, of
• 2:33:24
  course, you're in fear to get you to enter The Plea, anyone
• 2:33:28
  promise you anything, other than the police are you satisfied
• 2:33:31
  with the way you've been represented?
• 2:33:33
  If you're not a US citizen by entering this plea, you will be
• 2:33:36
  deported denied naturalization and reentry.
• 2:33:39
  Don't understand Court will find that defendant has no only
• 2:33:43
  voluntarily waived his right to jury trial.
• 2:33:45
  Did you review the plea bargain page with your attorney to
• 2:33:47
  understand it? Yes.
• 2:33:49
  According to the plea punishment is be assessed at a 1200 finest
• 2:33:53
  State recommends to party judication.
• 2:33:55
  They're speaking 120 dollars to the Bear County crime lab for
• 2:34:00
  the drug testing. Did you understand that to be
• 2:34:02
  your plea? Business defense, defense State.
• 2:34:05
  It's your review. The waiver appeal paragraph with
• 2:34:08
  your attorney. Did you understand it and sign
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  it in both places? By signing that you're waiving
• 2:34:14
  your right to appeal. The only items that can be
• 2:34:17
  appealed are written pretrial motions that have been filed
• 2:34:19
  heard and rules upon by the court.
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  Did you understand? Counseling, such emotions, no
• 2:34:25
  motion outside the agreement. The state is requesting that
• 2:34:28
  you're deferred, adjudication, be for a term of six years.
• 2:34:30
  There'll be a tap evaluation. 120 hours of community service.
• 2:34:37
  Restitution the doep course, parenting class and regular
• 2:34:42
  random. Uas did you understand those
• 2:34:43
  recommendations from the state and the court does not have to
• 2:34:46
  follow those recommendations then to the offenses charged?
• 2:34:50
  How do you plead guilty? Not guilty or no contest.
• 2:34:54
  Welcome to State any evidence to understand offer States exit.
• 2:34:57
  One in all attachments, no big excuse, It's your view, the
• 2:35:01
  waiver and stipulations with your attorney that you
• 2:35:03
  understand it, and sign it in all the appropriate places.
• 2:35:06
  Yes, sir. Again.
• 2:35:07
  Did you understand? You have a right to jury trial a
• 2:35:10
  right for you or your attorney to cross examine and confront
• 2:35:12
  any Witnesses, the state would call in the right to remain
• 2:35:15
  silent? Yes, you understand that today
• 2:35:18
  the state will be presenting evidence in the form of
• 2:35:20
  witnesses statements and police reports.
• 2:35:22
  But most importantly, there will be no live testimony.
• 2:35:25
  Did you understand Court will find that defendant has no name,
• 2:35:30
  voluntary waiving it to stipulation of testimony and
• 2:35:33
  stipulations Court will accept into evidence States exhibits
• 2:35:36
  one, and attachments, and review the same.
• 2:36:24
  Purview and States exhibits one, and attachments, the court will
• 2:36:27
  find their sufficient evidence to find you guilty.
• 2:36:29
  Hope with the first finding of guilt as you've applied for
• 2:36:31
  charity adjudication, very proceeding with sentencing.
• 2:36:34
  Yes, been if you're drug tested today, what are the results
• 2:36:37
  going to be? Maybe?
• 2:36:38
  all right, so while you driving around with children in a
• 2:36:41
  vehicle in their drugs in the vehicle, I'm sorry.
• 2:36:45
  I can't understand you. It was a it was a bad decisions
• 2:36:49
  and I don't know. So why?
• 2:36:57
  What drugs have you used in the past?
• 2:37:00
  Is marijuana. And do these children live with
• 2:37:04
  you, I just and who else lives with you?
• 2:37:07
  Well, And is she using? Are you employed?
• 2:37:13
  What are you doing? Okay.
• 2:37:22
  All right, this is what the court is going to do.
• 2:37:25
  Quarter is going to send you to six years to further to
• 2:37:28
  vacation. There's a 1200 dollar fine.
• 2:37:33
  That will be probated. Proof of employment within 45
• 2:37:37
  days. No employment as a home health
• 2:37:39
  care provider with minors. There is 120 dollars restitution
• 2:37:48
  to the Bexar County crime lab for drug testing. regular
• 2:37:55
  reporting by Zoom or in person regular random uas or the patch
• 2:38:06
  200 hours of community service restitution I'm going to order
• 2:38:11
  parenting classes. Once the parenting classes are
• 2:38:15
  complete. 100 hours will be deemed satisfied.
• 2:38:21
  The remaining hours the court will deduct one hour for every
• 2:38:25
  sober support meeting completed. There should be a tap
• 2:38:31
  evaluation. out of custody follow recommendations There's
• 2:38:38
  going to be Phil visits one time per month until further notice.
• 2:38:43
  A probation. Is there anything else?
• 2:38:46
  Is there anything else you need from the court in order to be
• 2:38:48
  successful? Is the words into the drug tests
• 2:38:53
  drug tests or be able to do it? Oh what's gonna end up
• 2:38:56
  happening? They're gonna do a topic
• 2:38:57
  evaluation so the tap evaluation will let us know what issues you
• 2:39:02
  may have and whether or not you need to take a drug class.
• 2:39:05
  Thank you. All right.
• 2:39:07
  All right. Did you review the document and
• 2:39:09
  taught a trial court certification of defendants
• 2:39:11
  rights to peel with your attorney that you understand it
• 2:39:13
  and sign it? Because this is a plea, bargain
• 2:39:16
  agreement, because I followed your plea, bargain agreement and
• 2:39:18
  because you waive your right to peel, you do not have the courts
• 2:39:21
  permission to appeal. Do you understand?
• 2:39:23
  All right, we can go off the Record, here's the thing.
• 2:39:26
  When you have young children, if you use in drugs around them and
• 2:39:30
  they're smelling it, that's not good for them.
• 2:39:33
  They are growing. Their brains are going.
• 2:39:35
  Everything about them is growing and they're taking notice of
• 2:39:38
  everything. And if you're using drugs around
• 2:39:40
  them, that tells them that it's okay to use drugs, you
• 2:39:43
  understand? And I don't think he want that
• 2:39:45
  for your children. All right?
• 2:39:47
  Good luck to you. Thank you, friends.
• 2:39:52
  Let's head back up to Michigan, pay, another visit to judge
• 2:39:54
  aquilina, reminder, in, about half an hour, we'll finish up
• 2:39:59
  yesterday's pieces of the pretrial that we were watching
• 2:40:03
  preliminary exam. This is dark at 25.
• 2:40:19
  Five, five, nine, eight, seven, eight people say Michigan versus
• 2:40:23
  Mohammed Idris Perkins, Council your repairs for the record.
• 2:40:27
  Good morning. You are EPA Barb books.
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  And on behalf of this people State Michigan.
• 2:40:31
  Got a friend right now we have Mr. Perkins Manor.
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  A service. Raise your right hand.
• 2:41:13
  Do you swear or firm? The testimony or about to
• 2:41:16
  provide will be the truth or nothing.
• 2:41:18
  Go to truth and come to perjury. He doesn't know.
• 2:41:21
  All right. Thank you and everything
• 2:41:23
  yesterday or today? No, no.
• 2:41:25
  You're supposed to be medication.
• 2:41:27
  You're not a know. Any sign of fever covid, or
• 2:41:30
  other Elders? No, yeah, no.
• 2:41:32
  Time to shoot with Mr. Black, yes.
• 2:41:33
  And you see this way to be able to see today?
• 2:41:35
  Is that correct? Yes.
• 2:41:36
  And do you still live on Chestnut?
• 2:41:40
  Know. All right we have your new
• 2:41:42
  address form. Yes I put you say oh yeah.
• 2:41:58
  That was probation with me, anyways.
• 2:42:06
  Results in part of the part of the resolution is on the
• 2:42:12
  probation violation. When both sides concurrent and
• 2:42:15
  not one not to exceed. And you're using, yes.
• 2:42:27
  He agreement for the record. Yes sir, you please bring it.
• 2:42:32
  Is that the defendant will be playing to count three
• 2:42:34
  possession of a controlled substance, specifically cocaine,
• 2:42:38
  less than 25 grams and count for maintaining a drug house.
• 2:42:45
  Upon the successful plea and sentencing counts.
• 2:42:47
  One, two, five, six and seven. As well, as the Game.
• 2:42:59
  Yes, yes I'm sorry. Did he will be played the
• 2:43:02
  habitual forth as well? It is it is written in
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  calculating the top. So yes, yes, I apologize.
• 2:43:10
  Okay, doing this for another 20. There were a sensing agreement
• 2:43:16
  to a minimum sentence would be fixed at 20 months.
• 2:43:20
  And Doc, Max is 15 and turned him with any TV sentence.
• 2:43:25
  The defendant also agrees for forfeiture of all seasons are
• 2:43:29
  caught in weapons, even in this business counts,
• 2:43:42
  Oh, for accurate and complete Asia.
• 2:43:45
  Well for accurate and complete. Yes, ma'am.
• 2:43:48
  All right and I also you're waiting Reading Counts, one,
• 2:43:53
  two, five, six and seven. I am as the radio 34 individual
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  for this entirety. Thank you.
• 2:44:01
  Yes, sir. People will see the Michigan
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  versus Muhammad Idris Perkins state of Michigan County and the
• 2:44:07
  name of the people, the state of Michigan.
• 2:44:08
  The prosecuting attorney for this County appeared before the
• 2:44:11
  court and informs the court that on the date.
• 2:44:14
  Now, the location prescribed below the defendant in Calgary
• 2:44:18
  Controlled Substances possession, cocaine heroin, or
• 2:44:21
  Northern narcotic lesson, 205 grams honor about August 21st
• 2:44:26
  2025 at 2700 Eaton, Rapids Road Lot. 200, can I take, Michigan,
• 2:44:33
  48911, Ingham County state of Michigan, the defended knowingly
• 2:44:39
  earning possessed, 25 grams. They make sure continue to
• 2:44:42
  control, substance cocaine, contrary statue.
• 2:44:46
  This is the filming that is partial to a maximum of four
• 2:44:50
  years. However, with the individual
• 2:44:53
  offender, that would be a 15 a year offense.
• 2:45:01
  Count for controlled substance maintaining a drug house or
• 2:45:05
  about August 21st 2025 at 2700 Eaton Rapids Road Lot 200
• 2:45:13
  landscape, Michigan 48911 and county in the state of Michigan
• 2:45:19
  the defendant did not only intentionally keep or maintain a
• 2:45:23
  dwelling that was used for the heaping or selling the patrol
• 2:45:25
  substances in violation of article 7 of the public health
• 2:45:29
  code being mcel free 333 Point 71 01.
• 2:45:36
  At 12:30 statue. This is a high court visitor
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  that is typically Punisher lamp to two years and or 25,000
• 2:45:46
  dollars. However with the obituary for
• 2:45:48
  fourth offender status, it would be a maximum of 15 years. the
• 2:45:52
  habitual offender forth Notice take notice that the defendant
• 2:45:57
  was previously convicted of three or four felonies or
• 2:46:00
  attempts to commit felonies in that honor about December 21st,
• 2:46:04
  2016, he or she was convicted of the offense controlled substance
• 2:46:10
  possession less than 25 grams in violation of MCL 333.740 3285
• 2:46:18
  the 30th circuit court for Anne county in the state of Michigan
• 2:46:22
  in honor about June 7th or July 7th, 2021, he or she was
• 2:46:29
  convicted of the effects of controlled substance possession
• 2:46:32
  less than 25 grams in violation of MCL free 333.740 3285 in the
• 2:46:41
  30th circuit court for Amy county in the state of Michigan
• 2:46:44
  and honor about October 8th, 2024, he or she was convicted of
• 2:46:51
  the offense of carrying a concealed weapon in violation.
• 2:46:54
  Of McFly 0.227 in the 30th District Court for AMC county in
• 2:47:01
  the state of Michigan. Therefore, the defendant is
• 2:47:03
  subject for penalties provided by NCL sensex. 9.12.
• 2:47:08
  Those penalties being life is primary offense was in penalty
• 2:47:13
  of five or more years. Or 15 years or less if primary
• 2:47:17
  offense has penalty of under five years the maximum penalty
• 2:47:21
  cannot be less than the maximum term for the first conviction.
• 2:47:25
  Portrait order law enforcement to collect DNA identification
• 2:47:28
  profile sample for sentencing or disposition.
• 2:47:30
  You're not taking the time of arrest and it gets a piece that
• 2:47:33
  they need of the state of, Michigan.
• 2:47:38
  Thank you. Make sure all those are turned
• 2:47:40
  off. Started you understand.
• 2:47:44
  It was just read. Yes, Ron say you understand.
• 2:47:49
  How long is firearms possession by prohibited personally a five
• 2:47:54
  year, I'm sorry possession or control substance known as
• 2:48:07
  cocaine less than 25 grams normally a four year felony
• 2:48:11
  because of the virtual forth. There is the enhancement of 15
• 2:48:15
  years. You understand that yes, and you
• 2:48:18
  understand count four meeting a drug house control substances.
• 2:48:22
  Normally I had heart disease or two years now as a 15.
• 2:48:31
  Let me just ask the status of the 2338 FHA.
• 2:48:40
  Correct in 23. Kgs, the latest cases CCW the
• 2:48:47
  CCW. So you just on probation on the
• 2:48:50
  CCW. Thank you assess October 7th,
• 2:48:52
  2024. You still on probation for that?
• 2:48:54
  Yes. So I just want to be clear the
• 2:48:57
  intention is that this will be revoked or closed and whatever
• 2:49:01
  time is on. All right, so I'm going to set
• 2:49:04
  this the same time as sentencing.
• 2:49:06
  That's great. Okay.
• 2:49:07
  I'll let my parents on that. Okay, I have you.
• 2:49:12
  Oh, no. I don't know what I I wrote a
• 2:49:16
  note on this this file should travel with this palette that
• 2:49:20
  you were on so, I'll make sure yeah good parents, okay.
• 2:49:28
  So sir, looks like he signed the advice for me.
• 2:49:32
  Did you read it before signing? Yes.
• 2:49:33
  Do you understand what you're reading?
• 2:49:34
  Yes from and if you had any questions about your right to
• 2:49:38
  talk about those Mr. Blackman. Yes Germany questions about your
• 2:49:42
  rights at this court. No, no and started to understand
• 2:49:46
  you're giving up your automatic appeal.
• 2:49:47
  If you choose to kill yourself to ask permission of the
• 2:49:50
  corporate bills. If you have a bench trial a jury
• 2:49:53
  trial you get an automated now because they're just decision if
• 2:49:57
  you choose to appeal to understand.
• 2:49:58
  Yes. Starts to count three possession
• 2:50:05
  of controlled substance known as cocaine less than 25 frames.
• 2:50:08
  Actually go to as to count for maintaining a drug house,
• 2:50:14
  Controlled Substances, how you plead go to.
• 2:50:20
  And certainly understands that you are giving up your
• 2:50:23
  presumption of innocence. You're right for trial your
• 2:50:26
  right to cross the roads and having the right to choose to
• 2:50:30
  bring evidence in your defense and request witnesses that the
• 2:50:35
  corporate provide the right to remain silent.
• 2:50:37
  And I have used as you understand, you give it up all
• 2:50:40
  of that. Yes, sure.
• 2:50:40
  All right. And you chose to plead after you
• 2:50:45
  spoke with your attorney. Yes.
• 2:50:47
  And You, you're pleased to both counts as being freely.
• 2:50:53
  Made of your own free will. Yes.
• 2:50:55
  And even says satisfied with representation of your attorney.
• 2:50:58
  Yes. And There is this Rocky
• 2:51:04
  mutation. as a sentencing for 20 months of Department of
• 2:51:08
  Corrections that were working with your other file, if I
• 2:51:11
  violate that I would like, it was drawn, a plea, and this
• 2:51:15
  matter would, again, go to the pretrial stage.
• 2:51:17
  However, if you violate the law between now and then I don't
• 2:51:21
  have to honor that, I'm not locked into that.
• 2:51:23
  I don't have to lie to with driver please, understand that?
• 2:51:25
  Yes, all right, very good. Sorry these events occur on or
• 2:51:33
  about August 21st 2025. Yes, you know, and a specific
• 2:51:41
  location known as 2700 Eton Rapids Road lodge. 200.
• 2:51:46
  Yes wrong. Did you have your possession at
• 2:51:49
  that location? Toyota mixture containing less
• 2:51:53
  than 25 grams of cocaine. Yes, no.
• 2:51:56
  And how is it can contact him forcement?
• 2:51:59
  How did they come to find it? There's a church.
• 2:52:04
  And was there a search for it? Yes, nobody.
• 2:52:07
  And so, if there's a defect in that word Speedway, all right,
• 2:52:12
  okay. From what you said, And you
• 2:52:18
  never likes of special for her authority to have that correct?
• 2:52:22
  Yes. And we lost In the bedroom.
• 2:52:30
  Grounder is your bedroom? Yes.
• 2:52:32
  Under your control? Yes, you place it there.
• 2:52:35
  Yes. No.
• 2:52:35
  And did a drug test confirm that it was three, you know, three
• 2:52:42
  point one. Three point two one.
• 2:52:45
  Five grand, okay. and, Sir. Were you also?
• 2:52:54
  Along other people to use drugs in your home.
• 2:52:59
  Yes, sure. And were you also providing some
• 2:53:03
  drugs to them or sharing it with them?
• 2:53:07
  I don't know if you okay. Know, any places so special
• 2:53:16
  permission or authority to do that, you know?
• 2:53:18
  All right. And just was studying your
• 2:53:21
  calling that's where you lived? Yes.
• 2:53:23
  Ron. All right, I'm happy.
• 2:53:25
  Oh no. And then we got an official
• 2:53:27
  Force. So you Were working.
• 2:53:32
  I'm about to December 21st, 2016 of the offensive control,
• 2:53:36
  substance. Possession was between diagrams
• 2:53:39
  and violations, Statute in the third circuit court for Anne
• 2:53:42
  county. Is that correct sir?
• 2:53:43
  Yes, ma'am. And then on about July, 7th,
• 2:53:46
  2021 or convicted will be a thousand controlled substance
• 2:53:49
  possession after paying attract violations statue or you can as
• 2:53:55
  well. Yes.
• 2:53:55
  No. And then I told her age 2024 you
• 2:53:59
  were conventionally, it doesn't carrying silver weapon and
• 2:54:02
  violation of the resort as well. So you understand that's what
• 2:54:08
  ritual, fourth comes to sound official.
• 2:54:10
  For which is why have that enhancement from the four years
• 2:54:14
  and 15 years and three years. All right, I'm half of the
• 2:54:20
  people questions people are satisfied, her I would have
• 2:54:24
  other client. I need to show questions.
• 2:54:26
  Likewise I'm satisfied too. How's the word promises?
• 2:54:29
  And those are in place and record.
• 2:54:32
  They are, you have your area has been really voluntarily
• 2:54:39
  knowingly and understanding and made without any of those
• 2:54:42
  threats. Coercion processing.
• 2:54:44
  I also find a sufficient grounds to accept things.
• 2:54:47
  We therefore has three and four will enter hands.
• 2:54:53
  One and two five, six and seven are here by dismissed, along
• 2:54:59
  with the original fourth and its entirety and the outstanding
• 2:55:03
  warrants. If any related to the Sprout or
• 2:55:05
  elsewhere called in dismissed and all control, substances
• 2:55:09
  paraphernalia weapons and ammunition any couches here by
• 2:55:13
  orbit it wrong. Yes.
• 2:55:17
  If no visual prints were going on.
• 2:55:19
  Oh, I'm sorry. You're right.
• 2:55:21
  I just missed the visual because our original not dismissed.
• 2:55:25
  Thank you, okay? So, three and four goes with the
• 2:55:29
  obituary. Force will go up with a visual
• 2:55:36
  forth is one, two, five, six and seven minutes missed.
• 2:55:40
  Originally when I used to see it on, I had that still stuck in my
• 2:55:43
  head. All right.
• 2:55:48
  And there's something big. June 17th at 11 a.m. judge.
• 2:55:55
  I'm Met in June, most of, I do conflict counsel down in
• 2:56:01
  Jackson. I got a ton of Drew Trials of
• 2:56:03
  the Court considered the first part of July.
• 2:56:07
  Well, there you have it. I'm generally, like in the Sun
• 2:56:11
  and however, I do have 24. Its the next day I have.
• 2:56:16
  Okay. in June, I'm down in Oh, okay.
• 2:56:24
  So Let me ask you this Castle. Can we do it on zoo?
• 2:56:34
  We could judge but you know he's got time in.
• 2:56:37
  I mean he's gonna be sitting there at 2:20 face.
• 2:56:40
  Yeah so really doesn't well so and this is not dead times so
• 2:56:44
  he's getting no it's not bedtime.
• 2:56:45
  Let's just do it in I guess I don't.
• 2:56:52
  All right, let's do all you. I guess we'll be hosting you for
• 2:57:05
  a while. All right, I need a date in
• 2:57:10
  August 4th sentencing. What time?
• 2:57:27
  All right. I'm just going to think that
• 2:57:31
  9:30. Thank you.
• 2:57:37
  And they're going to do a detail presentation or report.
• 2:57:46
  So probably just updating when you have a cloud but what I'm
• 2:57:49
  going to do is set clothes of these files for that day.
• 2:57:54
  And then I have to see What you completed on the 23358 credit
• 2:58:07
  for that? Otherwise I'll send you that
• 2:58:09
  makes sense to you, okay? So in Mr. Blackman, you're going
• 2:58:15
  to file an appearance. I will do that General take a
• 2:58:18
  look at that. Maybe you want to talk to the
• 2:58:20
  agent. Well.
• 2:58:22
  I think we are Randy Biermann who's on this already?
• 2:58:25
  Okay. Thank you.
• 2:58:26
  That's all for the record. Thank you something over the
• 2:58:30
  jail or not helping out like you're trying to you know, okay.
• 2:58:33
  All right. Thank you.
• 2:58:41
  Okay friends. Let's head.
• 2:58:44
  Yeah, I think we've got time to do it.
• 2:58:46
  Let's head. Let's head to the parole board
• 2:58:49
  one more time. And then after that we'll go
• 2:58:51
  back to the Wexford County prelim from yesterday.
• 2:58:58
  Is April the night of 2026? We're in Baton Rouge.
• 2:59:02
  We've been conducting here and we've introduced ourselves
• 2:59:05
  already see from her name tags who we are and we're there and
• 2:59:09
  Jefferson Parish Correctional to talk to Mr. Travis Duckworth
• 2:59:13
  first. I'd like to hear in Jefferson
• 2:59:16
  Parish staff. Would you introduce yourself to
• 2:59:18
  Sarah? Yes, sir.
• 2:59:19
  Yes, sir. Deputy Landry with the Justin
• 2:59:21
  Paris show up. Okay.
• 2:59:23
  Thank you, sir. Today was Mr. Duckworth if
• 2:59:27
  you're currently now. Is that you Mr?
• 2:59:30
  Duckworth. And I'm looking at.
• 2:59:31
  That's it. Okay.
• 2:59:33
  And what's your DLC number? 4256 54?
• 2:59:37
  Okay, your case has been assigned to Mr. Freeman, he'll
• 2:59:40
  go over your form that you signed and everything else.
• 2:59:44
  Conducted the initial interview, and then we'll ask questions
• 2:59:48
  after we hear from those in favor.
• 2:59:50
  And and Make our determination if you're about.
• 2:59:54
  The spring. Okay, Mr. Duckworth, your charge
• 2:59:59
  with a do you have your pro question I have with you?
• 3:00:02
  Yes, sir. Okay.
• 3:00:04
  Do you realize you're not eligible for pointy if you wish
• 3:00:07
  to have counsel? You'd have to hire one?
• 3:00:09
  Yes, sir. More proceed today without a
• 3:00:12
  point out. Okay.
• 3:00:15
  All right. You violated condition number
• 3:00:21
  four? I will not engage in criminal
• 3:00:22
  activity, Norwell associate with people who are known to be
• 3:00:26
  involved in from Duty and you will avoid bars and casinos and
• 3:00:31
  for me to use of drugs or alcohol, On 12 11, 25 Travis
• 3:00:37
  just worth was arrested by the Louisiana probation and parole
• 3:00:41
  and booked into Jefferson Parish correctly.
• 3:00:43
  On a warrant from Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office or the
• 3:00:48
  charge of domestic abuse battery second conviction.
• 3:00:51
  How do you preach at that chart? Okay, tell me what went on. me
• 3:00:58
  and my wife had an argument and they had the wheels at a hotel
• 3:01:03
  and she had they had called the police on her.
• 3:01:06
  I ain't physically touched her. Did you threaten the Killer?
• 3:01:11
  No, I said yeah, that's it. Okay.
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  Okay. I appreciate you being honest
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  about that. Oh.
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  Have you ever been to any kind of?
• 3:01:24
  Counseling or treatment together you and your wife this is
• 3:01:27
  happening. Okay.
• 3:01:36
  So what had she get the blood around her ears?
• 3:01:41
  that was right and it did that come from you pushing her in the
• 3:01:48
  face. Okay.
• 3:01:57
  All right, and so like I said, so the battery before it was on
• 3:02:05
  the same victim that's I actually did that you Okay,
• 3:02:13
  anybody have any other questions with regards to her fish?
• 3:02:17
  Number four. They're not.
• 3:02:18
  Do you know that the interview with your wife is on police
• 3:02:24
  body, cam video, which she tells a different story.
• 3:02:26
  She said I was a dust. But she was probably nine.
• 3:02:34
  That she could tell you that. I do not allow her to speak to
• 3:02:42
  the president at the proper shot.
• 3:02:43
  That's only okay. And then you had condition
• 3:02:49
  number 10 that you were behind on your feet to that charge.
• 3:02:55
  Okay. Okay, let's go in here from.
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  Well, first, let's hear from Eva a decade your mother.
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  Honest, a decade. Hello.
• 3:03:27
  Hello. You can hear you.
• 3:03:30
  What you want to tell us about your son?
• 3:03:31
  Well I think my son was doing very well.
• 3:03:35
  He was in school. He was working.
• 3:03:36
  He was doing very well. Him and his wife situation is up
• 3:03:43
  and down. They did together.
• 3:03:45
  The apartment has been a constant up and down with them I
• 3:03:52
  don't think that the situation that happened was 100% his
• 3:03:56
  father. I think it was both of them
• 3:03:57
  fought. Because as toxic relationship
• 3:04:00
  is, they don't seem to be able to still wait for me from each
• 3:04:02
  other. Appreciated.
• 3:04:08
  All right, let's see here. From Miss Terry on, don't worry.
• 3:04:16
  oh, but, What happened? Yeah, so basically, we were at
• 3:04:27
  the hotel room. We got into a heated argument.
• 3:04:31
  I think the whole situation was just a misunderstanding the part
• 3:04:37
  when I did write the letter, I was in a hurry, so write the
• 3:04:40
  letter. But the part that I did forget
• 3:04:42
  to mention, I didn't know if I could write a second letter, but
• 3:04:44
  then maybe we were at the hotel. I was very intoxicated.
• 3:04:48
  What I will say is that my husband did not physically touch
• 3:04:52
  me now, I did have blood behind my ear.
• 3:04:56
  I'm thinking is because of my earring but he did not
• 3:04:59
  physically. Assault me at all.
• 3:05:00
  It was just an argument that just got out of hand.
• 3:05:03
  Oh my God, I was intoxicated. So I don't even remember
• 3:05:10
  everything that I told the cops. At the time I was in toxicated,
• 3:05:13
  I was emotional. So I don't even remember like
• 3:05:17
  the situation happened. So long ago even the next day.
• 3:05:20
  I didn't remember most of what happened because I was very
• 3:05:24
  intoxicated. So which I hope?
• 3:05:29
  Because all my days off we just like to have our time apart and
• 3:05:32
  you know away from, you know, my kids we just like to spend time
• 3:05:36
  just one-on-one with each other on my days off from work because
• 3:05:40
  I work on our record. So we just like having that
• 3:05:43
  one-on-one time Okay. Any amount of calories.
• 3:05:48
  I have a question is, don't work?
• 3:05:51
  You also a victim in a prior domestic, discharged, too.
• 3:05:56
  Tell us about that one. Oh, well that situation.
• 3:06:01
  It was another argument. I had told my husband.
• 3:06:05
  Well, he wasn't my husband at the time, but we got it so
• 3:06:09
  argument. I told him to leave the house, I
• 3:06:13
  started throwing his clothes and stuff and then it just got out
• 3:06:17
  of hand. I did get in his face and then
• 3:06:19
  the situation just took a turn from now.
• 3:06:23
  Sounds like you telling us in both of these incidents.
• 3:06:27
  You provoke arguments, you caused the trouble and then
• 3:06:30
  you're not trying to take responsibility for it because
• 3:06:32
  you're drunk or yes, right. Yes.
• 3:06:38
  Did you change your story? The first time?
• 3:06:43
  All. So Mmm, I I'm not. yes, you I
• 3:06:52
  don't know if I change my story, this situation was years ago so
• 3:06:56
  I don't remember. And so you don't know if you
• 3:07:01
  recanted. Do you know what the word recant
• 3:07:04
  means? I do know what it means, but did
• 3:07:06
  you recant the first time? The first time no, I don't
• 3:07:11
  believe I did. Did you testify against him in
• 3:07:15
  court? No, I did not.
• 3:07:17
  Did they ask you to testify against him in court?
• 3:07:20
  I don't believe so. You don't believe so you talking
• 3:07:28
  about from years ago. When he went to jail. when he
• 3:07:33
  went where in 2024 No, I don't believe anybody asked me to
• 3:07:39
  testify. Okay was that the timing went to
• 3:07:44
  jail was the time he was last semester to be charged that he
• 3:07:49
  had. if I'm confused if you talking about from 23 or from me
• 3:08:00
  talking to him. he played guilty the last time right?
• 3:08:09
  That's it. Okay.
• 3:08:20
  He's? Going to try.
• 3:08:26
  She wasn't, she didn't. She was that she was an extra
• 3:08:29
  testified. Okay.
• 3:08:36
  I'm ready to go. I'm ready.
• 3:08:39
  I've got one one more question. For her.
• 3:08:47
  Okay. Are you telling us today that
• 3:08:51
  you do not fear Him? You do not think anything would
• 3:08:55
  happen to you if we let him go or anything like that?
• 3:08:58
  I do not fear that at all. I want my husband to be home.
• 3:09:02
  He really is a good man. We have our arguments.
• 3:09:05
  We're trying to get in counseling.
• 3:09:07
  So work on communicating better but I'm not afraid of him.
• 3:09:11
  I don't think he's gonna harm me, I don't fear him.
• 3:09:13
  I want him to be reinstated. Like I don't think that any
• 3:09:18
  other situations are going to happen because we're determined
• 3:09:22
  to, you know, Be better and motivate each other.
• 3:09:26
  And just, you know, work on our marriage.
• 3:09:29
  I'm not afraid of him at all. So I would love for him to be
• 3:09:34
  reinstated because he really is a good man.
• 3:09:37
  He has a good heart. I'm not afraid of him.
• 3:09:41
  And if he were to be released, you would agree to hold harmless
• 3:09:44
  to parole board. The state of Louisiana,
• 3:09:46
  probation and parole. And anybody else involved with
• 3:09:49
  this? Yeah, I'm just come in and kill
• 3:09:52
  you tonight. He he's not gonna kill me.
• 3:09:56
  Okay. Just want to make sure you agree
• 3:09:58
  with all this. Not saying you're gonna get out,
• 3:10:00
  he's gonna get out. I'm just covering the basis,
• 3:10:02
  okay? Well, great.
• 3:10:10
  Okay, don't worry. I got to be told, I don't
• 3:10:16
  believe y'all, I think the battery did occur, and it has a
• 3:10:21
  curve before, and on side of Public Safety, my vote today at
• 3:10:25
  the revoke you violate a condition number four, number
• 3:10:27
  10, Mr. Duckworth I'm gonna concur with that.
• 3:10:40
  I think there's too much smoke here and and it's just got out
• 3:10:45
  of jail, just got parole for silver behavior.
• 3:10:49
  And what you're accused of today, I feel like that because
• 3:10:54
  of violation of conditions for and here.
• 3:10:57
  That that you're, you know, violate those conditions.
• 3:11:00
  I've already shall revoke. So, I'm gonna concur with the
• 3:11:05
  panel same reasons for voting. As a 927, this morning, your
• 3:11:12
  parole has been invoked. Is.
• 3:11:20
  Revoked, my friends again as before to the surprise of no
• 3:11:25
  one. Okie dokie.
• 3:11:28
  Let's do this real quick because while that was going on, I was
• 3:11:34
  working. In the chat.
• 3:11:39
  I just dropped a link. I just posted an article on
• 3:11:42
  substack. Feel free to check that out
• 3:11:44
  again. If you are not subscribed to me
• 3:11:45
  over on substack, please do. So it comes with the low low
• 3:11:49
  cost of 0 dollars a month. I'm not charging over on that
• 3:11:52
  platform, at least not at this time, maybe someday in the
• 3:11:55
  future we'll have premium posting but for now everything
• 3:11:58
  is free. And I give you in this post.
• 3:12:02
  My thoughts on that, Louisiana Parole Board.
• 3:12:05
  Hearing that. We saw the other day, where you
• 3:12:09
  had one family member who was ready to forgive the woman, who
• 3:12:13
  murdered the victim and you had another one that brought a 121
• 3:12:19
  Point list to the board about why he hated that woman and why
• 3:12:24
  the board should hate her too. So give that a look okie dokie.
• 3:12:29
  Let's Let's go back to what we were watching yesterday.
• 3:12:33
  So this is in the way back machine from yesterday
• 3:12:36
  afternoon, after we had ended the show.
• 3:12:38
  This is a continuation of the preliminary exam for the lady
• 3:12:44
  who ran the adult. Foster care facility dust to
• 3:12:47
  remind you, she's charged with involuntary manslaughter.
• 3:12:49
  This is a preliminary exam to determine whether or not she
• 3:12:53
  should be bound over to Circuit Court and this goes on for about
• 3:12:58
  50 or so minutes. So should take up the fourth
• 3:13:01
  hour but let's let's pick it up. Just a warning.
• 3:13:05
  There's a couple of spots in here where some weird stuff
• 3:13:07
  happens. Just stick with it.
• 3:13:10
  Some of its kind of funny. All right.
• 3:13:25
  So we are back on the record after in Germany, earlier this
• 3:13:29
  afternoon on the preliminary examination.
• 3:13:30
  I believe that people said she witnesses to call him back over
• 3:13:35
  to the people. Thank you.
• 3:13:54
  Doctors should make your way up next to me here.
• 3:13:58
  For your seed if you raise your right hand.
• 3:14:01
  Soundly swear affirm that the testimony you give in this
• 3:14:04
  matter will be the truth. The whole truth and nothing, but
• 3:14:05
  the truth. I do fantasy.
• 3:14:19
  Whenever you're ready. Yeah, thank you very much for
• 3:14:24
  your patience. This afternoon waiting to
• 3:14:26
  testify. Will you please State and spell
• 3:14:29
  your name for the record, please stop call, Wagner w.
• 3:14:32
  H g, n e r, And Dr. Wagner can you please give the court, a
• 3:14:37
  brief summary of your education, training and experience in
• 3:14:41
  osteopathic medicine. I graduated University with a
• 3:14:47
  doctorate and I went to University, Hospitals in
• 3:14:50
  Cleveland for my rights and see his family, practice included,
• 3:14:55
  in patient and outpatient care. And I have that I, you know,
• 3:14:59
  emergency room position for five years.
• 3:15:01
  And then after that, I settled in hard on a little help, Grant
• 3:15:05
  and I've been there since the 30 30 And what are you doing for
• 3:15:10
  the last 30 to 35 years? Practicing medicine will hurt
• 3:15:13
  Michigan. I am the medical examiner for
• 3:15:17
  the last 31 years on the jail position and I also worked the
• 3:15:21
  emergency there a little bit and I did a lot of inpatient therapy
• 3:15:24
  but now we transfer all it. And you're the medical.
• 3:15:28
  Are you the medical examiner for Wexford County?
• 3:15:30
  I am and you also do a outpatient clinical practice.
• 3:15:35
  A lot. Yes.
• 3:15:36
  Okay. Do you treat in that capacity?
• 3:15:39
  You treat patients with chronic conditions such as diabetes.
• 3:15:42
  Yes. Because I've been there for 31
• 3:15:45
  years on my patients, that were 50 or 81 now.
• 3:15:48
  So as you're as the Wexford, County Medical Examiner in
• 3:15:57
  November of 2022, did you have occasion to be coming involved
• 3:16:03
  into a and within investigation or inquiry?
• 3:16:06
  I'm not certain of the correct term into the death of a lady
• 3:16:11
  named Kelly Harris. Yes, I have the Supreme Court
• 3:16:15
  hears. Okay, everyone else.
• 3:16:16
  Sure, and Please if you would. Describe the process generally
• 3:16:32
  when when you when you get a referral as a medical examine or
• 3:16:36
  two. What's the what's the proper
• 3:16:37
  terminology? Is it investigation or an
• 3:16:40
  increase? Okay.
• 3:16:41
  What is the process that you go through when you have to do with
• 3:16:46
  that in this case, we were notified that there was a death
• 3:16:49
  that occurred and I'm sure you already talked to Dave Harrison.
• 3:16:53
  It was in here earlier. He got called out and seeing and
• 3:16:56
  he investigated. He's a certified medical
• 3:16:59
  examiner investigator. All our investigators have to
• 3:17:02
  get nationally certified because we got to do we want to hit the
• 3:17:05
  best calling measures. So David went on to see he
• 3:17:10
  investigated it then he recorded to our head investigator David
• 3:17:15
  Turner and then David will call me and then we discussed the
• 3:17:18
  case about what needs to be done.
• 3:17:20
  Is it a natural do we need an autopsy?
• 3:17:23
  Do we need further investigation and then we can conclude the
• 3:17:27
  cause and Manner and then that's how you should.
• 3:17:30
  So what specifically happened in this case?
• 3:17:33
  How did the investigation you play out?
• 3:17:34
  Okay, so David was called the scene.
• 3:17:37
  He did a full evaluation required data and they called
• 3:17:41
  David and then they discussed it then David called me and then we
• 3:17:46
  discussed it and we were determined that because of no
• 3:17:51
  evidence of Foul Play no evidence of this that it was a
• 3:17:54
  complication of a chronic disease called diabetic
• 3:17:58
  ketoacidosis, and I was Your objection your getting into
• 3:18:04
  diagnoses and experts level testimony.
• 3:18:08
  Yes the process you mentioned diabetes.
• 3:18:10
  There's been no. Motion to have the court
• 3:18:15
  recognized the doctor as an expert.
• 3:18:17
  Well, I guess I wouldn't make that motion judge.
• 3:18:20
  It's clear that Doctor Wagner has extensive experience in the
• 3:18:25
  field. There's nothing particularly
• 3:18:27
  unique about this case that I'm asking for an expert to render
• 3:18:31
  opinion about something you wasn't involved in this case is
• 3:18:35
  that the person Dr. Wagner was personally involved in this
• 3:18:40
  situation so he can talk about the decisions that he made and
• 3:18:44
  the faces for those decisions, but I would also if you know
• 3:18:49
  necessary, I will ask it to be qualified as an expert as a
• 3:18:53
  medical examiner. Is there any objection to
• 3:18:56
  qualifying him as an expert at the moment of what year I could
• 3:18:59
  sure good afternoon doctor? Hi.
• 3:19:04
  There's a medical examiner. Have you had occasion to perform
• 3:19:06
  autopsies? And residency and training and I
• 3:19:10
  would observe how many autopsies have you?
• 3:19:14
  Participated in for observation purposes when I first moved up
• 3:19:18
  here Dr. Steve Cole Grand Rapids forensic pathologist.
• 3:19:22
  She's kind of my mentor when I moved up here from University
• 3:19:25
  Hospitals the local sheriff walked in my rooms at okay,
• 3:19:28
  you're the medical exam. I said, no.
• 3:19:30
  I have no idea what I'm doing so that I called Steve Cohen, he
• 3:19:34
  sent me through the educational process, you know what to do
• 3:19:37
  just to clean processes like that. you participated in
• 3:19:43
  autopsies of people that died from diabetic ketoacidosis I'd
• 3:19:52
  have to check my records. But I've treated diabetic
• 3:19:55
  ketoacidosis numerous times Intensive Care Unit as well as
• 3:19:59
  the emergency room. So I'm well versed in the
• 3:20:02
  pathology in the diagnosis of it and to this day I still manage
• 3:20:05
  its one pumps and numerous. I'm a clinical professor of
• 3:20:11
  Michigan State and they did a database on me and I had like
• 3:20:14
  453 registered patients that diabetes their diagnosis.
• 3:20:18
  So well bursts in matter of fact in my subset my recertification
• 3:20:25
  boards. I made sure that one of my
• 3:20:27
  subsets was the diabetes subset to be at me that criteria how
• 3:20:33
  many investigations into suspected death from diabetic
• 3:20:37
  ketoacidosis of you been involved in quite view.
• 3:20:39
  It's very common diabetes very common diagnosis.
• 3:20:42
  So the air result get people have chronic diabetes that have
• 3:20:46
  an estate working in damage and diabetes.
• 3:20:49
  Usually this can you put a number on quite often quite a
• 3:20:54
  few. Um, I probably You do average
• 3:20:59
  three to five cases a day year-round diabetes, probably 10
• 3:21:07
  to 20% in stage diabetics because you get got people on
• 3:21:11
  dialysis. You have people that can just
• 3:21:13
  park your people have purple vascular disease and these are
• 3:21:16
  all and results of diabetes diabetes is the thing that
• 3:21:21
  transcends everything. It causes your kidneys to fail
• 3:21:24
  your eyes look like people blind that's why we chop off their
• 3:21:27
  legs is because diabetes eat these people like when not
• 3:21:30
  control. So if you do the diabetic
• 3:21:33
  monitor in it, I say 10 20% of my case is diabetes related
• 3:21:40
  course of 31 years. I probably don't 30,000 cases.
• 3:21:45
  So I probably see 3000 3000 deaths.
• 3:21:49
  You're asking me to Guess that okay.
• 3:21:51
  Well, I mean you're you're the you're the expert.
• 3:21:53
  Well, it's what I've done for 31 years.
• 3:21:56
  And do you have a do you have to have a curriculum detail with
• 3:21:59
  you? I'm not with me if I can sure
• 3:22:01
  give it to the absolutely. I have no objection.
• 3:22:06
  All right, the defense, I'm sorry.
• 3:22:07
  The witness is so recognized making to thank you.
• 3:22:12
  So Council raised the question of autopsies was an autopsy done
• 3:22:17
  in this Harris know and why not? It's not clinically indicated
• 3:22:20
  this patient on Portuguese used in reports data college.
• 3:22:25
  She was frail and a lot of her and organ problems or you notice
• 3:22:29
  in her Hospital report. They mentioned product you need
• 3:22:32
  a disease that was an end result of diabetes when she was a bit
• 3:22:35
  of the hospitals because she was called a single episode that's
• 3:22:38
  where she just fainted and at that time was determined.
• 3:22:42
  She was to spray out failure to thrive.
• 3:22:43
  She's not eating right? She said I think activity she
• 3:22:46
  had numerous diagnoses lot of them were diabetes later and
• 3:22:50
  over the course of three weeks with 24-hour care seven days a
• 3:22:54
  week for three weeks by very fun factors and nurses dated
• 3:22:58
  numerous tests. They checked their heart.
• 3:23:00
  They checked her brain. They checked her spinal column.
• 3:23:02
  They did numerous testing numerous LAB Works. so, An
• 3:23:07
  autopsy wouldn't provide any more clinical data.
• 3:23:09
  We had that she had an extensive medical work up in the hospital
• 3:23:13
  and the fact that her symptomatology, the fact that
• 3:23:16
  her Sugar's read High usually most machines, high like over
• 3:23:20
  500 and 500. If you're not getting these
• 3:23:25
  fluids, and if it's called an insulin drip, and it was well as
• 3:23:29
  potassium supplementation. If you're not getting all these
• 3:23:32
  factors at once, you're it's a Cascade you go into what's
• 3:23:36
  called sepsis. That's where you're all.
• 3:23:38
  Your organs are anywhere or not a control.
• 3:23:40
  So the fact that she was and she had diabetes and our A1C was
• 3:23:47
  10.1. That means she was a bad guy
• 3:23:49
  diabetic for over six months. Period, her A1C.
• 3:23:52
  Usually, when you have a quality control diabetic, you want that
• 3:23:56
  below seven under seven, statistically showing that you
• 3:23:59
  decrease the ability to end up on dialysis ability to prevent
• 3:24:03
  blindness ability to prevent amputations.
• 3:24:05
  She was over. And for at least six months.
• 3:24:09
  So the fact of the matter is she's had to speak three weeks
• 3:24:13
  and a hospital and she had a numerous medical investigative
• 3:24:16
  workup. It would not have provided any
• 3:24:19
  of the clinical data because some fatalities she had nausea
• 3:24:21
  vomiting. She was a sugar of over 500 that
• 3:24:26
  is all indicated of dka. I got a key west of those.
• 3:24:30
  So it sounds like you review, your metaphor records from her
• 3:24:33
  hospital admission immediately before she wanted to pleasantly.
• 3:24:36
  No, I did not check investigate developers still.
• 3:24:41
  After she had passed away. So because on the morning of
• 3:24:45
  things of our phone calling today, David's they said just
• 3:24:49
  got up a month and a half hospital.
• 3:24:51
  So we drew a toxicology, we tended the death certificate
• 3:24:54
  because we want to get more clinical data.
• 3:24:58
  Usually we call the Family Physician because usually like
• 3:25:02
  to get there and put but we never were able to contact going
• 3:25:05
  to position. You know the home I guess fill
• 3:25:09
  out a history and physical five of these prior and what was kind
• 3:25:13
  of weird because usually to this day I still treat sliding scale
• 3:25:16
  and slips. I do it at the jail.
• 3:25:18
  I do it in the hospital I do the office and there's always a
• 3:25:24
  stopgap measure. So like when I have a patient
• 3:25:27
  with jail, if there's sugar zero to 150, no one's 150 to 300 M4
• 3:25:33
  units if their sugar is over 300, they got a call and then
• 3:25:37
  they call me now. It's three San Jose if they call
• 3:25:43
  me say calls for 70 I'm saying get him to ask because they got
• 3:25:47
  to get the IVs going to get the fluid still because you're
• 3:25:50
  getting that critical mass. So so you again, can you give me
• 3:25:57
  a sink? I appreciate all the information
• 3:25:59
  very thank you. Can you give the court a sink to
• 3:26:03
  answer as to why not? She was done in terms of it
• 3:26:05
  wasn't clinically indicated. I thought I understand what any
• 3:26:10
  more evidence to the table. Okay, thank you.
• 3:26:13
  Okay, thank you. So he didn't interrupt but we've
• 3:26:19
  got an issue going here that we need to address is that well
• 3:26:25
  sounds like we smells like we have a very hot printer over
• 3:26:28
  here. Good jobs of the day.
• 3:28:17
  Who says nothing happens in this courtroom?
• 3:28:19
  So just Minor Details just a few Sports marks on a pad.
• 3:28:24
  So you may continue thank you judge doctors So based on the
• 3:28:28
  information that you just discussed and the information
• 3:28:31
  that you had regarding this Harris.
• 3:28:33
  Did you make a determination of rearing the cause of her death?
• 3:28:37
  Yeah. And what was that diabetic piece
• 3:28:40
  of ketosis? YouTube can you please identify
• 3:28:56
  that? What I'm sorry, what is these of
• 3:29:14
  it? Or?
• 3:29:18
  for Kelly Harris, and that does give you information that you
• 3:29:24
  just He was like that illusion based on the fatality involving
• 3:29:29
  information. Correct.
• 3:29:30
  Thank you Dr. Mood people who said it won.
• 3:29:33
  Any objection objection. What is received?
• 3:29:37
  Dietary you mentioned. I think you mentioned long
• 3:29:42
  acting. Insulation insulin, I'm sorry or
• 3:29:45
  either short acting or long eggs and one of the two can you
• 3:29:49
  explain the difference between short and long acting insulin?
• 3:29:52
  Yeah. Long acting is like a slow burn.
• 3:29:57
  You take a shot in a metabolize. The glucose of the slow raid
• 3:30:02
  over like a 20, 24 hour period with a fast acting you scored in
• 3:30:08
  the system. It was right now, like, within
• 3:30:10
  an hour, you get, the maximum goes, so you use a combination
• 3:30:14
  of the two, usually you feeling the slow Burns throughout the
• 3:30:17
  day. And then, when people are gonna
• 3:30:19
  eat, their sugars will Spike. And then you get the fast acting
• 3:30:22
  to help facilitate the sugar going into the cell, right?
• 3:30:27
  So it sounds like the long acting is sort of a baseline.
• 3:30:31
  Yes very end of the short acting like that is the thrust but cute
• 3:30:34
  situation where you need to bring it down.
• 3:30:37
  Correct? What type of insulin is Lantus
• 3:30:41
  insulin act, okay? And what type of insulin is as
• 3:30:45
  part insulin, that's short act, okay?
• 3:30:47
  So if let's say this, Harris did not receive any insulin.
• 3:30:54
  While she was at pleasantly live from November 1 through November
• 3:30:59
  4. Would that be consistent with
• 3:31:01
  the outcome that she experienced?
• 3:31:03
  Yeah, but the thing that I reviewed the records, there was
• 3:31:11
  Evidence that she had it or not had it, you know.
• 3:31:14
  So I at that there was a tough variable.
• 3:31:17
  The one thing I was basing, my conclusion on these high
• 3:31:21
  persistently high sugar. You know the fact that she was a
• 3:31:25
  long acting, you know that diabetes for years and it was
• 3:31:28
  poorly controlled in the back. She had these residual high
• 3:31:31
  levels. Led me to believe that that was
• 3:31:34
  fully in Decay. And the fact that she
• 3:31:36
  demonstrated the symptoms, the nausea and working in the
• 3:31:40
  emergency calls yours. She had the classic presentation
• 3:31:43
  of someone in dka. So yes, I mean if you're not
• 3:31:47
  getting a medication but the fact that a matter is I don't
• 3:31:51
  know if she's getting it or not. Well, I'm asking you assume that
• 3:31:53
  you wasn't getting any insulin for four days.
• 3:31:56
  Was that consistent with dining from diabetic EOS and Joseph, he
• 3:32:01
  would be a contributor. Absolutely.
• 3:32:03
  Okay. I mean, how was our hydration
• 3:32:06
  will status? How is her Immunology status?
• 3:32:08
  I was, or even, you know, you gotta look at the big picture
• 3:32:12
  and make sure I look at all the different birds.
• 3:32:14
  Understood putting it sort of flipped into coin if she had
• 3:32:18
  received her insulin has to prescribed would she have had a
• 3:32:23
  better chance of surviving that time period if she had sugars
• 3:32:27
  over 500 she needed to go into the hospital Which medicine or
• 3:32:31
  not. That's why you have that sliding
• 3:32:33
  scale. You know, it's kind of a
• 3:32:35
  Fail-Safe barrier at 350 you call the doctor and or over, you
• 3:32:42
  know, whatever sliding scale said you get them out of there.
• 3:32:45
  So that's so was that implemented?
• 3:32:49
  Is that part was that part of the process?
• 3:32:52
  So it's it's I got to answer that variable.
• 3:32:55
  She had it or not. So it's great I guess.
• 3:33:00
  I have to give it to the advantage or without knowing
• 3:33:03
  that I it's hard to give me an answer.
• 3:33:06
  I do know she died at dka related to diabetes was not her
• 3:33:11
  getting messed up or getting medicine to me the total cost of
• 3:33:14
  it. I'm not saying was it the only
• 3:33:17
  cause, right? What I'm saying is would if she
• 3:33:20
  had received insulin as prescribed, is it likely that is
• 3:33:23
  it more likely than not that her blood pressure on, excuse me
• 3:33:27
  that her blood sugar would have been lower than it was well in
• 3:33:30
  the hospital. You know, the nice thing about
• 3:33:32
  the high school, it's 24-hour care.
• 3:33:34
  Seven days a week. You know, you always have
• 3:33:37
  nurses, checking the sugars before they're getting the
• 3:33:39
  insulin, you know, the regimen issues that hearing that
• 3:33:42
  regimen. Absolutely.
• 3:33:45
  You know, because they were able to get a clinically stable in
• 3:33:48
  that hospital where then she's out of the house.
• 3:34:16
  This is one of those incidences slash hiccups.
• 3:34:19
  I described before we started the audio come back here in just
• 3:34:22
  a moment. here gentlemen before but I'm sorry, but as the sign
• 3:34:39
  off medical Jammer. Yes, it wasn't Rebecca Youngman.
• 3:34:44
  Was that the hospital, Dr. You know, that person is so you
• 3:34:52
  didn't have a conversation with her about you handling this,
• 3:34:56
  this case on this particular day, Yeah, that might have been
• 3:35:02
  one of our students. because we have, We have.
• 3:35:10
  We have students that follow. Okay.
• 3:35:12
  But, you know that, you know, that, you know, the name, at
• 3:35:16
  least. Is it was a recognizable to you.
• 3:35:18
  I want to see the name because I don't want to bring in a
• 3:35:23
  situation. Do you know that name or not?
• 3:35:29
  It doesn't ring a bell, but okay, I could.
• 3:35:33
  Somewhere in my past. Okay.
• 3:35:38
  So no autopsy of Miss Harris because not clinically indicated
• 3:35:42
  was your testimony correct? Because of the extensive workup
• 3:35:45
  of 30 weeks of under physician and nursing care.
• 3:35:50
  The only thing they can concluded was the fact that
• 3:35:52
  their diabetes they check their heart attack their brain, they
• 3:35:56
  check their back they check all the other items and blood work
• 3:36:00
  shows their liver enzymes were good.
• 3:36:02
  The only thing was the kidney disease secondary diabetes she
• 3:36:06
  would if she was not anemic. So she had no evidence of All
• 3:36:09
  American Cancer. She's had a clean coagulated.
• 3:36:12
  So that was eliminated and so blood clot or pulmonary embolism
• 3:36:16
  her chest exercise showed her lungs were clear.
• 3:36:20
  She had coronary artery disease probably secondary to the
• 3:36:23
  diabetes. But is that a yes?
• 3:36:25
  Yes in the native Bell and she didn't have an echo cardiogram
• 3:36:30
  in the hospital. She said cardiac inside which we
• 3:36:33
  showing the case, you know cardiac damage.
• 3:36:36
  So carotid stenosis. She had a crowded in our
• 3:36:40
  activities. She actually had that removed at
• 3:36:42
  one point. Lipidemia, that's like
• 3:36:48
  cholesterol, okay. Hypertension.
• 3:36:50
  High blood pressure. That was significant.
• 3:36:53
  Right? What is control masks?
• 3:36:58
  Obesity. Morbidly obese.
• 3:37:00
  That these are yeses. Those are.
• 3:37:03
  Yes, I'm sorry. Okay.
• 3:37:06
  Five foot, six, 280 pounds. Yes yes I'm sorry and the end of
• 3:37:11
  the day so a BMI and 45.2. That's more of an open City.
• 3:37:17
  That was peripheral artery disease.
• 3:37:21
  Yes. That's in the limbs or
• 3:37:24
  peripheral. Anything outside of the main
• 3:37:27
  arteries. So, like your legs, your arms.
• 3:37:32
  Stuff like that. Super ventricular that's a
• 3:37:37
  rabbit heart rate, usually caused by people that are
• 3:37:40
  hyperthyroid or hyperthyroid, she had part of her Jewish
• 3:37:43
  removed is a benign tumor as a result.
• 3:37:46
  She was on a third medication as well as the ADHD medication
• 3:37:50
  called Florence. It helps regulate your cortisol
• 3:37:53
  levels. All of those diagnoses you
• 3:37:56
  agree, she had absolutely and the majority of them were
• 3:38:01
  contributed by diabetes. But I don't I don't disagree
• 3:38:07
  with that good. All of those diagnoses that I
• 3:38:12
  just mentioned are contributing factors to cardiac events.
• 3:38:19
  The harman being diabetes. Artifact.
• 3:38:23
  They will be diabetes. I've had a lot of diabetics that
• 3:38:26
  I've parked gas, right? And especially the purple artery
• 3:38:30
  disease. That's a common denominator
• 3:38:31
  amongst a ton of diabetics. So is it your testimony that if
• 3:38:36
  somebody died? Of a myocardial infarctions at
• 3:38:42
  the technical term for a heart attack.
• 3:38:43
  Yes. It's that was your finding as
• 3:38:48
  the cause of death. If that person had diabetes you
• 3:38:51
  would I would have put them acute, my cartoon, diabetes
• 3:38:55
  mellitus and I want to call the cardiologist and he would have
• 3:38:59
  said all this we're gonna diabetes for years it helped so
• 3:39:01
  we'll take the process. So what were your differential
• 3:39:05
  diagnoses when you looked at all of the evidence patiently
• 3:39:09
  everyone you said. He got to go through the whole
• 3:39:12
  list. I got one too.
• 3:39:13
  What test did you do to rule out?
• 3:39:15
  Heart attack, three weeks of clinical data from the hospital.
• 3:39:20
  One tests echocardiogram the cardiac enzymes thrown the
• 3:39:25
  hospital record. Did you do a CT that had to rule
• 3:39:27
  out of stroke and possibly an aneurysm and you're also you
• 3:39:30
  worry about the crowded stenosis.
• 3:39:32
  You can look at the cervical arteries on the CAT scan, too.
• 3:39:36
  So you looked at past record isn't it possible?
• 3:39:41
  I looked at the emergency room records her presentation to the
• 3:39:44
  hospital where she had a first initial sinkable episode and in
• 3:39:49
  the emergency room at that time, they found that she had a little
• 3:39:51
  bit of chronic kidney disease. They didn't know if it was a
• 3:39:54
  cuter chronic they all hydrated and they also found with her
• 3:39:58
  diabetes was uncontrolled due to these variables.
• 3:40:01
  They want to work her up because think about episode you gotta
• 3:40:05
  worry about heart disease. You gotta worry about a stroke.
• 3:40:06
  You got to worry about, you know, blah blah blah.
• 3:40:09
  So the housing because those are real concerns, right exactly and
• 3:40:13
  they addressed all those concerns with diagnostic testing
• 3:40:17
  of the CT the head of the echo cardiogram.
• 3:40:19
  They checked her heart. They checked her Carnegie again
• 3:40:21
  designs. They checked her kidney
• 3:40:22
  functions. They check their liver
• 3:40:23
  functions. They check to see if she had a
• 3:40:26
  giant that's a very is it your testimony that somebody that
• 3:40:30
  gets checked a month before can't have a heart attack or
• 3:40:33
  stroke a month later here. I'm giving you my medical.
• 3:40:36
  Opinion based on 31st. It's a pile.
• 3:40:40
  It's a very old. You got to consider.
• 3:40:41
  So active matter, she did not complain a chest pain.
• 3:40:44
  She would actually played a shortness of breath.
• 3:40:46
  She's not completely cardiac symptoms, she's not complain.
• 3:40:49
  The other thing she cleaned up was consistent with diabetic
• 3:40:52
  ketoacidosis based on 31 years of treating condition and
• 3:40:56
  continue to treat the condition. So none of those symptoms that
• 3:41:02
  she expressed Could the symptoms of an impending heart attack or
• 3:41:07
  stroke? Because the position is by
• 3:41:10
  opinion that you got. So and that's all my
• 3:41:13
  documentation, check their heart.
• 3:41:15
  You know, recently with the network cardigan that showed
• 3:41:17
  good and tricular function. Did you ask if you it's
• 3:41:22
  everything's possible you got to put everything on a differential
• 3:41:25
  but I'm based on the evidence in the data provided to me.
• 3:41:28
  I'm just sticking by dka secondary to Diamonds.
• 3:41:38
  You, how hard would it have been to do?
• 3:41:40
  A troponin split test a blood in the hospital she did and you
• 3:41:46
  have that. You have those records I might
• 3:41:50
  You. Had over 900 pages of hospital
• 3:42:12
  records. So and I just got discharged
• 3:42:18
  summary and your board and history physical.
• 3:42:24
  So probably we are There you go.
• 3:42:40
  Cardiac monitors latest results. CK troponin HS.
• 3:42:43
  High sensitivity. 10 1322 and troponin is a substance that
• 3:42:54
  will show damage to the heart. Correct as well as the CK, the
• 3:42:59
  cka. I only need one of you to speak
• 3:43:05
  to a time. So go ahead and finish your
• 3:43:06
  answer and then you can follow the question.
• 3:43:08
  He's trying to think about that, but a CK can also indicate liver
• 3:43:11
  brain self tissue. So if you have an elevated CK,
• 3:43:15
  then you know, that there is active inflammation in the body
• 3:43:19
  which can help rules out other disease processes.
• 3:43:22
  Then you get the proponent to actualize.
• 3:43:24
  It is a cardiac related or math. So the troponin Until you have a
• 3:43:30
  cardiac event. That's a, that's a byproduct of
• 3:43:34
  the damage to the heart tissue. Correct.
• 3:43:36
  So if you have a, you have a test on October 13th that your
• 3:43:41
  heart attack occurred on November 5th.
• 3:43:46
  You're not going to have troponin, because that event
• 3:43:48
  didn't have it. Okay, she did not exhibit.
• 3:43:51
  Any cardiacs? And I'm not changing my opinion.
• 3:43:54
  She died dka, secondary dining rooms.
• 3:43:58
  Up, what test did you do to rule out of stroke?
• 3:44:02
  She had a ctml ahead and run the hospital when she had a single
• 3:44:06
  episode, and they checked to see that General evidence of it, and
• 3:44:10
  she was not demonstrating the sink to be in the home.
• 3:44:13
  She's developing nausea, and diameter which are Decay
• 3:44:17
  symptoms. She did not have scientific
• 3:44:19
  chest. Pain is not any of Science in
• 3:44:24
  the physical exam and I don't do any edema or physical exam was
• 3:44:29
  completely normal. she might be doing in DK, I Was.
• 3:44:40
  Severely dehydrated from the yeah.
• 3:44:43
  Prior to leaving the hospital. He had no fluid output for at
• 3:44:48
  least, 40 hours before release. Was called lactic acidosis.
• 3:44:57
  Dehydration lactic acidosis. As well as Renal functions
• 3:45:02
  dehydration can be a heart attack but please answer, the
• 3:45:11
  question is directed by Council. Okay was the question
• 3:45:15
  dehydration can be a contributing factor to heart
• 3:45:18
  attack and stroke correct? Dehydration can be contributed
• 3:45:20
  to any disease. I think that's a yes then yes.
• 3:45:24
  Nausea and vomiting can proceed a heart attack can't it?
• 3:45:29
  Yeah, it's possible theoretical. What about the lack of any
• 3:45:34
  evidence of? coma stupor or simulants As a as
• 3:45:47
  a symptom. of fatal case of diabetic ketoacidosis a sugar a
• 3:45:56
  500 you can answer the question. Is it not true represent
• 3:46:03
  differently? It's not a perfect world with
• 3:46:05
  symptoms. How many if you have someone as
• 3:46:07
  a sugar 500 Common Sense would tell you that the vomiting we
• 3:46:11
  that that is really the bka the fact that they didn't exhibit
• 3:46:15
  other symptoms. Not everybody's different not
• 3:46:17
  answering the question. isn't it true in every recognized medical
• 3:46:22
  literature that you Diabetic coma or stupor.
• 3:46:31
  Precedes. A fatal incident of diabetic
• 3:46:36
  ketoacidosis, absolutely that. I've treated it, I've had people
• 3:46:40
  that the hips do were usually their sugars around 700,
• 3:46:44
  everybody's different. It's not an exact if you're
• 3:46:48
  stupid Thats. So just seeing people die of
• 3:46:53
  decays and people on ventilators.
• 3:46:54
  I've treated it, I've done it. It's not a perfect world, that's
• 3:46:59
  not travel out like that. What, you know, all of your
• 3:47:06
  years of experience with diabetics.
• 3:47:11
  What percentage of the Fatal cases you dealt with did not
• 3:47:15
  involve a coma preceding that they tell you?
• 3:47:19
  Or stupid or something else? I have no idea.
• 3:47:24
  I have to look back at 31 years. I want to do that, okay?
• 3:47:30
  You have. If there's evidence that she was
• 3:47:35
  awake and talking to her roommate at 4:30 in the morning.
• 3:47:38
  And she was found about four hours later.
• 3:47:43
  This cold and rigor mortis have begun to set in okay, when does
• 3:47:47
  rigor mortis begin in a human body?
• 3:47:49
  It's on the temperature the diabetic State know she was the
• 3:47:55
  temperature temperature 2 to 6 hours Peak at 12 hours two to
• 3:48:00
  six. So if you were talking and
• 3:48:04
  conscious not in a coma or a stupor at 4:30, and she had
• 3:48:09
  signs of rigor mortis 4 hours later.
• 3:48:13
  Where would you put the likely in your Expert Medical opinion?
• 3:48:16
  Where would you put the likely time of death?
• 3:48:20
  to hers likely to what time do you talk about 4:30 in the
• 3:48:27
  morning? And what time 9:00 p.m.
• 3:48:31
  Investigation? What is all went out about 8:30?
• 3:48:35
  845? Yeah.
• 3:48:38
  That could that could happen and that's cool.
• 3:48:42
  So she was cold and rigorous had begun.
• 3:48:44
  Did you say that it was more likely that she died before. six
• 3:48:50
  30 or after I would have to say before because that's only two
• 3:48:56
  of us. Okay, and if there's evidence
• 3:48:58
  that well it isn't it true that very common symptom again.
• 3:49:04
  Take a look at the literature about about the literature.
• 3:49:12
  Would you call it a violent thrashing type of death due to
• 3:49:17
  diabetic ketoacidosis know she's weak.
• 3:49:20
  She's bombing. She's so she so she were
• 3:49:23
  thrashing around his point where she and spun around on her bed
• 3:49:26
  and her clothes were disheveled. You would have probably the
• 3:49:30
  physical exam want to show them that her physical that's where a
• 3:49:34
  lot of angle her physical exam is pretty benign in the fact
• 3:49:39
  that she had the wound on the Left Bank old was at the
• 3:49:42
  diabetes because diabetics have a horrible time in healing
• 3:49:45
  someone's more much more likely to thrash around reacting to the
• 3:49:50
  trauma from a heart attack than with diabetic Key West doses
• 3:49:54
  that direct usually is my keto diet diabetic.
• 3:49:57
  They're usually in a super Thank you Penn State.
• 3:50:05
  The stupor and when they're about to die.
• 3:50:09
  And that usually lasts according to recognize medical literature
• 3:50:12
  12 to 24 hours, right? No, and she was probably She was
• 3:50:18
  probably in it for two to three days because we're not only died
• 3:50:23
  on the fifth. So yeah, that's about right.
• 3:50:25
  She probably went into total Decay probably around the third
• 3:50:29
  or fourth. Her uncontrolled diabetes that
• 3:50:34
  condition that existed heck of a lot longer than the four days.
• 3:50:40
  She spent at Pleasant Lake, right?
• 3:50:42
  Yes. she had and self-medicating or self-monitoring patients they
• 3:50:54
  have your familiar with the Libre 2.
• 3:51:00
  Oh God, I have 30 patients. Okay.
• 3:51:03
  That's a that's a method of self monitor.
• 3:51:08
  Correct? It's very efficient.
• 3:51:09
  Yes, somebody that is non-compliant with the
• 3:51:14
  medication or the monitoring. it's up to them, to check it
• 3:51:18
  themselves and to And to notify professionals that they need
• 3:51:23
  medication if they're self-checking their blood sugar
• 3:51:28
  which she clearly was right, but it was clearly High. and yeah,
• 3:51:34
  that's again, the protocols, the protocols, I am used to is the
• 3:51:42
  fact that you get, you get a phone, call at a certain level
• 3:51:45
  and then you either given you ship them in the ER, so, At the
• 3:51:53
  hospital. She wouldn't have been the
• 3:51:57
  nursing staff. The medical professionals would
• 3:51:59
  have relied on the lever to know you usually again, right,
• 3:52:04
  there's over a thousand patients, our thousand pages of
• 3:52:08
  that document. But so what were her, usually,
• 3:52:10
  the protocol and is you before you eat, you check your sugar
• 3:52:15
  and then you look at the scale and what's your sugar's?
• 3:52:18
  Okay, give four units and then the next meal you check the
• 3:52:23
  sugar and tells you how much is going to give?
• 3:52:24
  But if it's abruptly High based on the level when you call it a
• 3:52:29
  doctor and they say well you could probably give a little
• 3:52:30
  more or no. Can get them out of there.
• 3:52:35
  So what we're here on October 31st.
• 3:52:38
  The day before her discharge, what were her Her glucose
• 3:52:44
  readings. I don't look up, I'm not aware
• 3:52:46
  of got my head. I was more worried about that
• 3:52:48
  Kelsey's about His church documentary.
• 3:53:03
  And they don't have any hair. Oh wait, here you go.
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  I do not have. That.
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  Was at the time of discharge. Yeah.
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  I was more worried about the UNC because sugar, the sugar
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  endpoints. The sugars are free of the
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  movie, okay? They wouldn't seize the whole
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  movie. So you assess one at the time,
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  she was in the hospital. Correct.
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  And that you wouldn't consider that control, correct.
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  That's actually really dangerous, correct?
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  So is it? So then is it logical that it's
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  your opinion that you shouldn't have been discharged from the
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  hospital? I didn't make that decision.
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  What is your opinion? If you were the doctor that was
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  making the decision. You wouldn't have discharged
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  your wicked. I not urinating for these two
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  days. My job is to say how she died
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  she died after I am asking you a very simple question right here.
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  You know, stop doctor. Let him ask the question, then
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  you can answer. Okay?
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  In your Expert Medical opinion at this was your patient.
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  Would you have allowed her to be discharged, okay?
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  With I have not reviewed all of the Thousand Pages record so and
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  until I do that I will not make that determination July.
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  All the data, I will be speculative and I'm not going to
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  do so it's just one testimony that you went through.
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  The thousands of people know, prior to your very heartfelt,
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  diagnosis and calls and men are dead.
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  I want to the discharge summary the, ER, what's time?
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  Did you spend going to the report at that day?
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  happening are that's that. I told you.
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  These are the documents I went through.
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  I got to the emergency room report.
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  I got the discharge covering the agent Pete and he said that
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  multiple times. It's it's whatever.
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  I have a patient understand how you spend a half hour and you
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  determined the cause of manner of death.
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  That's a yes. Yes.
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  I'm sorry. her first glucose reading from her freestyle
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  Libre, too. At 7:42 on her on her admit to
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  Pleasant Lake so she was admitted in the early afternoon.
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  Just a few hours later. She's at 3:02.
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  That's that's bad. Right?
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  It's getting there. Yes.
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  Okay. Did she get any insulin at that?
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  She get any insulin at one was three or two because you usually
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  look at the Spider-Man scale and then you would say to assume she
• 3:56:12
  was getting insulin at the hospital.
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  Absolutely. You think her numbers were at
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  the hospital? I have no idea because I could
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  look at that other people I have no idea is good. 758 it's too
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  80. 11 15. It's 2:20 3 1255 the next
• 3:56:34
  morning 11:00 to it is 188 at 403 it's 183.
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  Those are those are elevated, but those aren't
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  life-threatening, correct. And you don't know what the
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  cutoff is for the freestyle for a reading of high do.
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  I do not. You consider that important
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  factor when you made such a hasty decision about the cause
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  and manner of death characters. I am hold on.
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  Hold on. There's an objection response.
• 3:57:05
  All we freezer, please. You rely on high readings?
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  or your diagnosis the reader and when I say hi readings, I don't
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  mean a number. I mean the word high.
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  And you just you just testify that you don't know what that
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  number Signal that that word signifies on this device.
• 3:57:27
  Yes or no? on the Libra adult So the device
• 3:57:34
  that she had that gave us these readings your testimony is you
• 3:57:37
  don't know what he says. On that yeah that's machine
• 3:57:43
  answer. I would say I don't know.
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  Is it your sworn testimony? That.
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  Kelly Harris. Was an already in a fatal
• 3:58:18
  downward spiral when she was released from the hospital.
• 3:58:23
  Was she in an irreversible state?
• 3:58:28
  What's the question again? That is it your opinion that she
• 3:58:32
  couldn't have been on an unalterable course because of
• 3:58:36
  the Obesity? All of the the 29 diagnoses that
• 3:58:40
  she had at least a third of them are symptomatic of heart attack
• 3:58:45
  and stroller. She had stage three kidney
• 3:58:49
  failure. Okay, she was died.
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  She was dehydrated. Or she.
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  The question is it's your testimony.
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  That she could not have died of a heart attack on the morning of
• 3:59:07
  November 5th by medical opinion based on my experience my
• 3:59:13
  knowledge. My 31 years of being a medical
• 3:59:17
  examiner if she died of diabetic ketoacidosis secondary diabetes,
• 3:59:21
  so you're sworn testimony. Is that my opinion?
• 3:59:25
  Yes and same question as to a CVA a throne clot stroke.
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  You're right. I appreciate the counsels trying
• 3:59:35
  to do here this cross examination.
• 3:59:37
  Obviously he's to significantly but I feel like we're really
• 3:59:40
  going over the same ground over and over at this point.
• 3:59:43
  The doctor's been very clear what he determined the cause of
• 3:59:47
  death to be he obviously did not determined it to be any of the
• 3:59:51
  other things. That council is suggesting.
• 3:59:55
  I think we're just sort of rehashing the same testimony the
• 4:00:00
  same information at this point. So as an answer to his favor.
• 4:00:05
  and one one final question So go ahead and wrap.
• 4:00:13
  Would it have been difficult? I know it has half hour and
• 4:00:20
  would have been difficult to order blood work.
• 4:00:25
  Or events that are consistent with all of with at least a
• 4:00:30
  third of Her diagnosis. I ordered toxicology experience
• 4:00:33
  because I wanted to make sure we also wanted to review about
• 4:00:37
  records that the disease process was consistent.
• 4:00:40
  So it actually wouldn't have taken any more time because you
• 4:00:43
  need blood for the Cox College screen to check for opioids and
• 4:00:47
  overdose and things like that, right?
• 4:00:50
  It wouldn't take any extra work to submit, or To rule out
• 4:00:56
  because isn't that what different differential diagnoses
• 4:01:00
  are you you start with a theory and then you say well it could
• 4:01:05
  it be this and this and then you rule those out isn't that proper
• 4:01:09
  medicine between the three providers?
• 4:01:11
  You probably have 80 years of experience that were involved in
• 4:01:16
  the decision-making process that have seen this conditioning
• 4:01:19
  multiple numerous time. It was our conclusion based on
• 4:01:22
  the data that you've got a Decay from diabetes or know.
• 4:01:25
  So you're you're grouping in other way.
• 4:01:29
  We talk during the investigative Prospect.
• 4:01:31
  I talked to be I talked to The Davids like okay, would you see
• 4:01:34
  when you see here, correct. Absolutely at the end of the
• 4:01:38
  day. It's my call that questions.
• 4:01:42
  Well, maybe I do. Any more cardiac enzymes normal?
• 4:02:09
  October 13th is what I told you he admitted to check the sixth
• 4:02:13
  one so Any redirect nothing further
• 4:02:33
  from his windows from the people.
• 4:02:34
  We are the sweetness be excused it right Dr. Thank you for your
• 4:02:40
  patience today. You are free to leave a
• 4:02:42
  wonderful day. Thank you take Okay friends.
• 4:02:46
  That was all they were able to get to yesterday.
• 4:02:48
  Um other than they had a brief discussion about Bond after this
• 4:02:53
  in clarified one of her bond conditions because it was a
• 4:02:58
  little bit vague because a lot it Was around her ability to
• 4:03:03
  still conduct business. And basically, what the judge
• 4:03:06
  clarified is that this defendant during this case is still
• 4:03:09
  allowed to be a part of the business, but only on it
• 4:03:14
  administrative role. So ordering of supplies signing,
• 4:03:18
  paychecks things like that, but she's not allowed to get
• 4:03:21
  anywhere near a patient. She is not allowed to make any
• 4:03:26
  medical decisions, none of it. So, anything revolving directly
• 4:03:31
  around a patient, she can't be a part of so that was clarified,
• 4:03:34
  they will be back Monday, the 27th in the afternoon obviously
• 4:03:39
  when we're not on the air. So I will catch that I'll
• 4:03:42
  capture it and then we'll probably go into it Tuesday
• 4:03:45
  morning. So, that's where we leave it for
• 4:03:48
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