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Facts matter. The lie has many versions, the truth only one · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:14
  As always the news gets in my way.
• 0:20
  But here's what I want to talk about.
• 0:24
  I yeah, I'd always post these inspirational quotes, et cetera on my Instagram.
• 0:32
  And this is the one I posted today.
• 0:37
  They want us overwhelmed, addicted to the news, angry at everything.
• 0:44
  Fix it by being a good person, loving your family, helping your neighbor, choosing grace, small things, good things daily.
• 0:53
  Well, that's a struggle.
• 0:55
  That's a struggle.
• 0:56
  That's a challenge, and it's rewiring your brain when you do these good things.
• 1:03
  It does counter the evil.
• 1:04
  And there's nothing more evil than what's going on in the news right now.
• 1:08
  I mean, it's it's it's over, it's everywhere, everywhere you turn.
• 1:11
  There's some other horrific event.
• 1:18
  And I'm going to have a guest on in my second half, uh, Jennifer Finnerty, whose husband Dave Finnerty is a case that I've spoken about before, and I'm having her on to clarify some information.
• 1:33
  I misspoke last week when I was speaking to Barbara Alderati about Dave's case, and Jen texted me with the correct information.
• 1:44
  Now, this is a case that I've known about, and I get information all the time, and I have so many different police cases, and and but it was so important for me to have her on to clarify because I've been in that position when the wherever it was, wrong information, the media, even people I knew would say, oh, did Mike put that note on the door in New Jersey, and I've said it 5,000 times.
• 2:09
  No, he did not on the case that he was went to prison for.
• 2:12
  Like it's a constant battle of of getting the truth out there, especially when you're one person and you're fighting for your family.
• 2:21
  Uh, you know, there's the fact that Prince Andrew was arrested today is a good thing, long overdue.
• 2:34
  But his arrest is this, you know, we talk about okay, do good things and and and do all the positive, but that's a good thing.
• 2:42
  That's you have to recognize that as a good thing.
• 2:46
  Volunteering at a hospital is also a good thing.
• 2:49
  Not the same, but it's important to understand and see the good when there's so much darkness around.
• 2:56
  And that mantra of if you continue to do good things, that is the only thing that takes out the darkness.
• 3:04
  And it's true.
• 3:06
  But it made me think about the women and the young woman, Virginia, who who who passed away, who was one of the first whistleblowers, I hate to use that word whistleblowers, one of the first victims, the worst brave women to come out and talk about Jeffrey Epstein and what had happened to her.
• 3:31
  And in a world where the billionaires were running the world and still are, it was very easy to silence her, and she just kept coming back and fighting for the truth.
• 3:44
  And she was traumatized.
• 3:46
  I mean, there's no question that that what she had been through affected her in ways that we will never know.
• 3:53
  What but at the same time she was fighting alone, and instead of focusing on her accusations, and look, uh, everybody deserves their day to defend themselves.
• 4:07
  But it seemed like there was not enough support around her, the other women, the the the billionaires, the power, the money, and it's not just the men, it's Ghlaine Maxwell, you know, the the power was was winning.
• 4:24
  And the women that were banding together, you know, whatever their stories are, some are look, this case is filled with all kinds of information, whether it's good or bad or real or not, but for decades, a deck, at least a decade, there's been more covering it and hiding it because the power brokers around the world who who pulled the strings uh who made it not happen, you know, really were silencing people, uh, whether they were whatever reason, it doesn't matter.
• 5:02
  But it reminded me of how I've found in the last five years is bonding together with the wives, the mothers of the victims of the justice system has grown this family of fighters together because we have a common denominator.
• 5:27
  And in the Jeffrey Epstein situation with these, you know, I'm sure there's victims we will never know where they are, who they are.
• 5:36
  It's almost impossible to first of all uh process it in your mind, what happened and what what do we know?
• 5:46
  What do we what are we being told?
• 5:48
  What are we being spoon fed?
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  What isn't what is it?
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  What is there's so much?
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  And is in a normal society, which that was not normal.
• 5:57
  The it there's only so much you can take psychologically when you're processing this information of what's happened in that case and what was going on.
• 6:07
  It's very evil, it's very demonic, literally.
• 6:10
  It is it is the devil's work, and that is true.
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  So the more you there's a toothfold here.
• 6:23
  You need to know so you understand the amount of of covering up and the power of people, but it's also very bad for society, your psyche, your your your soul, you know, the devil doesn't care how he makes you suffer.
• 6:41
  It doesn't matter because the ones that he's tortured and and who he victimized, meaning the devil and Jeffrey Epstein, all that, they they are part of the bigger picture of trying to control and put the darkness into your life.
• 6:59
  And it's fed this information here and there out a little bit here, and now it's kind of becoming overwhelming because now these billionaires are getting either stepping down, stepping down, they should be arrested if they committed crimes, but hello, and Andrew, Prince Andrew's been arrested, which is a good thing.
• 7:18
  So we look at the good.
• 7:19
  That's good, but it's the beginning of this mountain of darkness that's going to collapse.
• 7:27
  And I don't even know how you prepare for that.
• 7:30
  But what made me think about where we can do better, and I take I call myself on on this too.
• 7:39
  I was thinking about how in our society you get a text, and it could be interpreted 14,000 different ways.
• 7:48
  And we are now in a society where we don't ask, what did you mean by that?
• 7:53
  We don't pick up the phone and say, why did you do that?
• 7:55
  Why did you say that?
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  War what did that mean?
• 7:58
  And could be completely misinterpreted.
• 8:00
  And we live in a world where we now are isolated, and the information we're given is for only us for to interpret only our mind, our brain, communication, verbal communication has uh ceased to exist.
• 8:20
  Uh it's it's gone.
• 8:21
  I mean, really.
• 8:23
  So you're left alone to process whether I don't care, whether it's a an email, or it's the news, or it's something.
• 8:35
  It's it's you're you're building your the synapses in your brain to try to figure this stuff out and figure out and dissect it.
• 8:42
  And you're not always right, because the information you're being given is not correct, but you don't know that, but it's it's really interpretive and no better case other than than the Epstein case to take a 30,000-foot look at what was put out and how people ran with it.
• 9:08
  And now it was the it was for Trump.
• 9:11
  I mean, it became a political tool.
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  Nothing to do with the women.
• 9:16
  They don't care about the women, trust me, they don't care about the women because it's always Trump and then the women, Trump and then the women, Trump and then the women.
• 9:25
  Like so it became political.
• 9:27
  And we can get into a whole other story about why they didn't do it before, and you know, that's neither here nor there.
• 9:35
  What's happened because of what they've done and releasing these files, and again, I don't, I'm sure there's millions more.
• 9:44
  We may never see, but the information is now coming like an avalanche into our society to be siphoned through, and depending on how you feel about let's say President Trump or whatever.
• 10:00
  Is how you process the information.
• 10:01
  It is a perfect example on the view.
• 10:03
  The view.
• 10:04
  Whoopi Goldberg is in the Epstein files.
• 10:06
  And she says, in all transparency, there was an email that I had, you know, we'd asked for his jet, or they asked for his jet, whatever it was, you know.
• 10:13
  I don't want God forbid I misspeak.
• 10:15
  But then the rest of the panel goes, well, I mean, anybody could everybody could be in those files.
• 10:21
  This is the same group of women who were all over Donald Trump about the Epstein files, right?
• 10:27
  And soon as one of their own is in there, then it's okay.
• 10:31
  Oh, anybody could be in those files.
• 10:33
  How many years have you spent claiming that and calling him names, and there's not one shred of evidence that Donald Trump was involved in any illicit behavior with young with uh with anywhere with with Jeffrey Epstein?
• 10:48
  None.
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  Zero.
• 10:52
  But those of us who knew that knew that because we we were looking at it from a different perspective, only because we were looking at it from a different perspective.
• 11:03
  We're going from there's no, if there was something in there, we know the players, we know it would have come out sooner, we know it would have been leaked, it would have been everything would have been out because they're desperate.
• 11:16
  But that's again, I'm doing exactly the same thing that I've just said I wouldn't do, which is what about these women?
• 11:23
  And by the way, where are the women of the view?
• 11:30
  They look using these young women and their stories for the political gain.
• 11:38
  If you did that, I don't care if you're in the media, I don't care if you're a politician.
• 11:44
  What they've done to these women, many, many, many who have remained quiet, who have to relive this trauma in silence, is some of the most disgusting, dark demonic behavior, and how do we do better?
• 12:11
  It's not a one-and-done kind of answer because unfortunately, it had to get to a point where you're now hearing the stories, you're you're seeing the images.
• 12:23
  You know, I I can't stress it enough.
• 12:25
  It's not it's not good for anybody to have that imprinted on their brain, but it's also sometimes necessary for some people who denied it or misplaced their their accusations, and they don't get the answer they want, so what's gonna happen?
• 12:50
  What's gonna happen, guys?
• 12:52
  Yes, these billionaires, maybe they're stepping down, there's gonna be arrests.
• 12:56
  That's that to me is the best news ever.
• 12:58
  Like you want those files out?
• 13:00
  Well, guess what?
• 13:01
  Some people are going down, okay, and that's good, but that wasn't the purpose of doing it.
• 13:07
  That wasn't what they wanted.
• 13:12
  And the women who want justice deserve justice, but as we know, justice doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be done the way that the victims want it to be done, which is very painful.
• 13:34
  When you've gone through trauma and you want justice, or you feel unheard, or you are accused of lying, or making it up, or what you pick the it's hard to see any wins, and I'm gonna break it down to something so simple, which we're all guilty of, and I don't care who's listening, we've all done it, it's as basic as it comes.
• 14:15
  You get a text, you interpret it.
• 14:22
  If it's that's something I'm saying, outside the scope of just you know, your everyday kind of talk.
• 14:30
  We don't pick up the phone and say, what did you mean by that anymore, right?
• 14:33
  We don't do that.
• 14:34
  So when you're talking about massive amounts of information that has been pushed into the public for certain agendas, filtered down to and watered down so much.
• 14:57
  I'm gonna give the Whippy Goldberg example.
• 15:00
  Well, you know, he wanted to borrow the plane, and we might need a plane to go to see Julian Lennon's, you know, benefit.
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  That was all that was, and the ladies are nodding, yes, yes, yes.
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  And he said no, right?
• 15:14
  Oh, you're good.
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  What responsibility do they have now that they're part of it, other than oh, because it's us, it doesn't matter.
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  The damage that they did.
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  So how do you heal that?
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  You keep you you you got to get the truth out there.
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  And when I talk about a text, I'm talking about someone sends you something, you misinterpret it, and that may be the end of your relationship.
• 15:41
  That may be the end of you, you're gonna analyze it, you're gonna think about it, you're gonna how do I respond?
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  And your response is so important, what you say, and then they're gonna go back and forth.
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  It becomes its own, it has a life of its own.
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  Every rumor, every discussion, every text, every email.
• 15:57
  I'm talking about not personal, something so whatever, political judgmental, or you it appears to be judgmental.
• 16:07
  It became it has a life of its own, and and the isolationists, which we become, you know, we're not supposed to deal with life solo.
• 16:17
  That's not how we're designed.
• 16:22
  We're supposed to interact, we're supposed to have conversation, we're supposed to have you debate, and our young generation has is suffered so much from that, and it's the the fault of the adults that got them there, and I'm talking about the adults in for the COVID stuff, who you know, closing down schools, you know, feeding all this garbage to them on their phones, you know, it's the the the adults in the room, it's all about control, just like look, there the fact that the Epstein files were kept under wraps for so long, we will never ever know the full scope of why.
• 17:14
  Because it's on such a level, and I say like level bad, like demonic, evil the majority of the planet and the people who just want to live their lives, go to work, have a family, whatever.
• 17:30
  It it doesn't compute.
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  But those same people know how to get the vulnerable people, the young women, and they how they take advantage, they know the the way to do it and how to manipulate.
• 17:45
  And it's so big, it's so uh powerful.
• 17:50
  How does one family, how does one woman, one victim, one, how do they fight against it?
• 17:58
  It's such a weird leap, but I I thought about Jen Finity and how I I didn't, I didn't get the facts right in her case when I was speaking last week in her husband's case.
• 18:13
  Because I know how those things can grow, it's like telephone when you were a kid.
• 18:17
  By the time it gets to the other side, you know, it doesn't, it's lost all context.
• 18:28
  So the world becomes just this mishmash of of maybe information.
• 18:32
  We don't really know, we can't really because there's no ground zero of it, right?
• 18:38
  There's no it grows into its own thing.
• 18:41
  And I just watched a movie called The Dragon's Prophecy by Dinesh D'Souza, and I highly recommend it to everybody to watch.
• 18:57
  Because if there was something like let's say the Bible, for instance, that we can learn from, because why not?
• 19:09
  I mean, it's very important to our our world, uh, whether you are against it or support it or hate it or whatever.
• 19:21
  I recommend it to everyone because I feel that we're at a place in our world and our culture and our and our complete breakdown, and I don't say that's a bad thing.
• 19:38
  It's painful, and it's necessary sometimes, but then when you see the film and you see that we are repeating history now.
• 19:55
  But the truth, there's only one.
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  The lie has many variations.
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  The truth, none.
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  It's it is only one truth.
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  When people say, well, that's my truth.
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  Well, that may be your perspective, but that doesn't make it true.
• 20:14
  So here you go.
• 20:15
  You have two people who see the same sunset.
• 20:19
  One sees blues and someone sees the purples.
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  Maybe that could both be true, but maybe it's not purple, maybe just the way they see it.
• 20:27
  Maybe it is pink.
• 20:28
  You know, like there's this whole undeniability about information in in certain circumstances, right?
• 20:39
  But that person sees purple.
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  You see orange.
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  Have a discussion about it.
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  And guess what happens?
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  You have the discussion.
• 20:49
  Well, I see purple.
• 20:50
  I see orange, but wait, wait a minute.
• 20:51
  Let's think about this for a second.
• 20:53
  Look at the sunset.
• 20:54
  Look over there.
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  That actually wouldn't you say that's a little orange?
• 20:58
  Well, maybe that is a little orange, but look, it's changing color into purple.
• 21:04
  But we're in a world now that there is when with the religious aspect of it is really on fire.
• 21:13
  You know, it's really on it's it's the lack of acceptance in our own individual faith.
• 21:27
  It's trying to be silenced and literally burnt to the ground.
• 21:34
  It's gonna take a lot from us to fight back for that and stand up for that.
• 21:40
  That's why the truth matters.
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  It's so important.
• 21:49
  So here I was.
• 21:50
  I was going to do a whole show on Prince Andrew's arrest and kind of go down the rabbit hole of what's going on with Epstein, and I did a little bit here, but it was more about it.
• 22:01
  I feel a great responsibility.
• 22:07
  To make sure that the facts are correct, especially when it's a a wife or a mother, or you know, this the fight that that the women who have their families torn apart by injustice, the the lengths they go to as these these solo warriors for the family, they need as much uplifting as they can get, and their story must be told truthfully everywhere.
• 22:35
  It is it is said because there's so many other entities out there that silence them with their own lies and their own versions, but there's only one truth.
• 22:45
  So I'm really really happy to have Jen here today to tell her story.
• 22:49
  And it's just again, there's so much more to her story.
• 22:54
  But I think we need to be more supportive of each other.
• 23:04
  I think there needs to be more conversation.
• 23:11
  I think women have shown that they can be incredibly powerful and successful in numbers when they stand together.
• 23:19
  We've seen it in history.
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  But when it came to one of the most demonic outrageous, painful cases like the Epstein case.
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  People's perspective on what they wanted that story to be completely overtook the victims.
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  Then we will most probably never know who they are.
• 23:48
  Where's their voice?
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  Where's their support?
• 23:55
  The world is opposite.
• 23:56
  You know, you you have the keeping illegal immigrants here who are I say, but I'm saying people came here illegal who are doing vicious crimes, and that there's people cheering on the street to keep them here.
• 24:11
  That's where we are now.
• 24:13
  In some circles.
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  I'm not saying I'm saying that's that is that is a uh I I don't I I can only I can only describe it as line of thinking, this line of this because of X.
• 24:28
  I need to do Y.
• 24:29
  Meaning, if if this is all bad, Trump, bad, this, bad, this, bad, that.
• 24:33
  And how do you counter that?
• 24:37
  How do you counter someone who is cheering screaming to keep murderers here?
• 24:45
  And you have a family who's mourning, families.
• 24:48
  That so many fam.
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  I don't get that.
• 24:52
  All we can do for those of us who understand that bonding together in unity of the truth.
• 25:04
  We have to override the opposite.
• 25:09
  It's not easy.
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  But it's so important.
• 25:15
  So coming up next is Jennifer Finerty.
• 25:19
  And uh wait till you hear how we met.
• 25:22
  And I think it's going to give you hope and encouragement to just never give up.
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  Welcome back, everybody, and I'm here with Jen Finerty.
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  Thank you for joining me today.
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  Jen.
• 31:18
  You're welcome.
• 31:19
  So nice.
• 31:19
  I said I just started the first half hour about how these cases are so similar, but yet there's details in these cases that are first of all outrageous, but people need to know the facts because it's your truth.
• 31:38
  It's what happened to your family.
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  And when you you hear so much uh of what's going on, especially me, you know, taking in so much information, like the public, you know, they're half, I mean, are they half listening?
• 31:50
  Are they a little bit listening?
• 31:51
  Like, I really wanted people to hear your story because you know, your your journey is very unique uh and not in a good way, and I want people to hear it.
• 32:01
  And so maybe we can tell everybody how we met first.
• 32:05
  Sure.
• 32:05
  Um my husband actually recommended that I message you through X.
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  I was just trying to get our story out through Facebook, and there was another large case going on in our area.
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  Nobody was interested in anything else but that.
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  So Dave said, you know, go on X to try, and that's how I know I messaged you and you responded back to my private message, and um, that's how we connected.
• 32:33
  And uh my mom was a uh fan of your soap opera and your character, so she was you know, she uh knew you from there.
• 32:42
  And um, so it was just uh a nice way to connect that to connect to somebody who understood what we were going through because up until then I hadn't been able to connect with anybody that understood what it was like to go through what we're going through.
• 32:59
  And and to give everybody how long you're talking about here, because that that you know, but because when when you went on X, how long before you go back to the beginning, how long were you on on X before you could we we connected?
• 33:11
  How long did you had you been trying on X before we actually connected?
• 33:14
  Um probably not.
• 33:16
  I mean, I was maybe on X for like a month, and I had never used X before.
• 33:22
  I was just you know on Facebook and didn't really know how it worked.
• 33:25
  So it took me a bit of time to get a handle on X.
• 33:29
  And um Dave was familiar with your husband's case, and that says, you know, reach out to her, and um that's how we got connected.
• 33:39
  It's really good to hear people hear that to not feel like they're just to you know, posting into the wind.
• 33:45
  I mean, it definitely got my attention uh for obvious reasons, but but you know, and again, it's it I'm so glad that we did.
• 33:53
  So tell tell everybody, you know, the the background of how you got to where you are today, and we'll get to where you are today and how people can help if uh if they want to.
• 34:05
  We have been going through this battle for almost eight years.
• 34:09
  My husband was a sergeant for a police department where he was working at headquarters and a patrolman used force on an individual who was choosing to not leave the train car at the end of the evening when trains were shutting down.
• 34:30
  This officer used force on the homeless individual that was on the train, and none of that was on camera.
• 34:42
  The officer said he felt threatened when he went on to the train to try to get the gentleman to come off of the train.
• 34:50
  And at that point, the officer said is when the homeless gentleman got up kind of in his face, and there's a camera on the platform of the train and not on the train.
• 35:07
  So none of that was on video.
• 35:11
  And when we do see video, we see that the other officer was using his baton on the leg of the homeless man who wouldn't leave the train.
• 35:22
  My husband was miles away at headquarters, not even anywhere near the situation that was going on.
• 35:30
  And my husband didn't know about it until they came into the station to bring in this um individual who at one point had gotten away from the officer.
• 35:47
  He was they came up fleeing.
• 35:51
  He was like trying to.
• 35:52
  Right.
• 35:52
  Well, like he came up, they came up the escalator, and then he ran off, but he left his backpack behind.
• 36:00
  So there's a radio um of Boston PD saying that they had this individual and um this officer who used it for us said, Oh, I was looking for him.
• 36:15
  So that's how we ended up back with this individual and being able to arrest him and bring him into the station.
• 36:26
  Um, so this has um my husband then was at headquarters, and this officer all along was saying that the homeless individual was threatening him.
• 36:43
  He felt threatened and never told my husband that he was lying all along.
• 36:50
  Wow.
• 36:51
  And um the officer even used force on this uh individual while he was handcuffed in booking, and officers witnessed that and never reported it.
• 37:05
  My husband told command staff that he didn't feel like this was a good arrest, and my husband was the only one that got in trouble charged with this, where the other officers who never reported the force that they saw.
• 37:25
  What was what year was this, by the way?
• 37:27
  I think it's really important.
• 37:29
  So 2018.
• 37:32
  Okay.
• 37:34
  Okay.
• 37:35
  Okay, so that so that then they come into the the precinct, and then what happened?
• 37:41
  What was the charge of what was his charged with?
• 37:46
  He was charged at the state level originally with um falsifying uh police report.
• 37:56
  And was it aiding and a betting was I know a the federal charge as well.
• 38:03
  Uh we went through four years, almost four years within the state case and the day before trial, the original police report suddenly appeared that exonerated my husband.
• 38:16
  So at the um final hour before going to trial at the state level, this police report appeared, and the uh DA that was working that case said that he in good faith could not move forward with the case against my husband because he did nothing wrong.
• 38:37
  So how do you what's the okay?
• 38:39
  So when like someone who's listening to this, they go, okay, how did that report suddenly how did you find out about that report?
• 38:46
  Why did someone what's the story that it just magically appeared?
• 38:52
  What what's the not the theory, but like what like what is the what to today?
• 38:56
  What's what's the the official or quote unquote official story about why that took so long to appear?
• 39:03
  The official uh reason was that they it was a computer uh software update that allowed this report that we were told didn't exist to suddenly appear.
• 39:17
  And then it's the day before the trial.
• 39:19
  So okay, so knowing what you know now, you know, hindsight's 2020.
• 39:26
  Do you why do you think they're saying this is my take is decided not to move forward with your husband at that moment?
• 39:36
  Like who does I mean, I don't know what they did, who knows what they were doing, but in your like from now what you know now, you go, why not go forward?
• 39:44
  Because they always go forward with these cases.
• 39:47
  So what's what do you think?
• 39:48
  Again, I don't want you to have to miss speak, but what's your take?
• 39:52
  Um, well, the DEA saw after looking at it that there was no crime that my
• 40:00
  My husband uh was a part of on his behalf, and felt that they couldn't move forward with charging my husband in that case because he did nothing wrong.
• 40:14
  So, how was the DA's?
• 40:16
  How was your um your your experience with that DA over the years of this investigation, you know, this waiting for trial in general?
• 40:25
  Were you allowed to get discovery?
• 40:27
  Like, how did how was your experience on the state level uh with this DA?
• 40:34
  Um, yeah, we weren't being able to get discovery as um happened.
• 40:40
  Sometimes it took a little bit longer to get discovery, or we'd ask for things and they didn't have them.
• 40:47
  Um but the um there was a video that would show that my husband was talking to command staff, and they said that that video didn't exist that it self-erased uh after 45 days, so they didn't archive that video.
• 41:08
  Okay.
• 41:09
  Um there's video from they wouldn't have archived or even actually known about this case or the incident, unless my husband had told command staff they had actually said if it wasn't for Sergeant Finnerty, we would have never have known that this situation had taken place.
• 41:32
  Wow.
• 41:33
  And what do you get for that?
• 41:35
  You get uh the trial thrown out, and then what happened?
• 41:38
  How long after?
• 41:39
  How long after that when it was thrown out by the state?
• 41:42
  Was anybody found uh charge?
• 41:46
  Any anything uh surrounding this incident happen prior to the um patrolman that used for us was able, he took a plea deal and got probation.
• 41:58
  There was also another sergeant on duty that was allowed to retire.
• 42:05
  Both of these officers got their pension.
• 42:08
  Um they also received immunity to testify against my husband at the federal level.
• 42:15
  Did they do that before?
• 42:16
  How that's very interesting to me.
• 42:18
  So you know that you the trial doesn't happen.
• 42:22
  You're like, wow, relieved.
• 42:23
  How long after that did the federal charge come in?
• 42:28
  Oh, it was a year.
• 42:29
  A year.
• 42:30
  So did you hear anything from them for for a year at all?
• 42:34
  No, no.
• 42:35
  So out of nowhere, so out of nowhere, a year later, all hell breaks loose, you know, and then what?
• 42:46
  Like, how do you how do you find out first of all?
• 42:49
  I think the one of the most interesting things for lack of a better word is they have the immunity.
• 42:57
  So did they testify to a grand jury?
• 43:00
  Were they I mean, we don't know, maybe we don't know because it's federal and you don't you never know who testifies, but so you when do you find out that they're the witnesses?
• 43:11
  Like how how far into the after the arrest, which we know was traumatic for your family.
• 43:15
  I mean, that that's obvious that's uh doesn't have to be said, but how long after you the arrest do you find out that these two are testifying against your husband?
• 43:28
  Couple weeks, a couple of weeks.
• 43:30
  Yeah, and um the DA at the state case said that it would be prosecute prosecutorial misconduct um to proceed with the case at the state level.
• 43:43
  For him, yeah.
• 43:45
  See, that's that's why you think, well, that that's good, right?
• 43:49
  You're like, oh, that's good, and then it goes into another system, right?
• 43:52
  Uh but so tell me about, you know, because I wanted to make sure I got it right about the prosecutor in the state case and how that person's involved in the federal case.
• 44:02
  Um the prosecutor at the state level, uh, Rachel Rollins was the Suffolk County DA at the time my husband was charged at the state level.
• 44:17
  And then she became under the Biden administration, the district attorney for I'm sorry, the uh uh U.S.
• 44:26
  attorney for Massachusetts um under Biden, and then an interim DA took over who Rollins was not a fan of.
• 44:41
  She had somebody else that was running who she felt was gonna win, was kind of in her pocket, and um they said that Kevin Hayden just overturned the case against my husband to get back at her.
• 44:59
  Oh yes.
• 45:02
  Wow, I mean, that seems so high school, you know, we did the you're dealing with people's lives and it's all about the win, has nothing to do with reality.
• 45:13
  Uh it's this whole drive of uh self success or whatever and people's lives mean nothing to them.
• 45:25
  Um so you go to trial, and uh any sub I mean again, the uh since we don't have more time right now.
• 45:35
  I mean, obviously could you tell me one thing about the trial that surprised you that really like was like I can't believe that happened.
• 45:46
  You know, you obviously have people making up, I mean, I'm I'm just going by my own case, our own case is that that you know, you go to trial and in the federal system, they have much more much more and more tricks up their sleeve than they do at the state level.
• 45:59
  So can you tell us like one thing that if people were listening to it, they they could they'd say that can't happen.
• 46:06
  Well, one thing that surprised me was that we couldn't bring up that my husband was exonerated in the state case, but at trial, the officer who used force was allowed to say that he pled guilty in another proceeding.
• 46:23
  We couldn't name the proceeding, but we weren't allowed to say that my husband was exonerated in that same proceeding.
• 46:31
  Ridiculous.
• 46:32
  Right.
• 46:32
  The the video showing my husband talking to another officer um alone and without another officer, and he later testified against Dave in the federal trial and changed his story after that officer was arrested for an OUI.
• 46:55
  The only person I feel that whose story hasn't changed all along was my husband's story.
• 47:01
  Right, right.
• 47:03
  Isn't that the way?
• 47:04
  I said it earlier.
• 47:05
  I said uh a lie has many versions of truth has none has one, you know, like that's and that is and if you stick to that as long as it takes you, you're you'll get there.
• 47:18
  It just how how come you have to suffer all the way to get there?
• 47:23
  Yeah, it's wrong.
• 47:25
  A lot of the motions that and objections that we tried to get didn't seem to go our way that we were allowed to bring, you know, tried to get things in to trial to show that this wasn't the officer's first instance of doing something like this, but they didn't allow it.
• 47:47
  Um it was like my husband was on trial for the use of force that this other officer used.
• 47:54
  Right.
• 47:55
  Rather than him just being a supervisor trying to do his job miles away from the scene.
• 48:05
  I think that's what people should really understand that where the incidents took place, your husband wasn't anywhere near there.
• 48:12
  So you're you're not even in not even involved in any way, shape, or form, and yet the prosecutors able to paint this as him participating in some way to the jury.
• 48:22
  Right.
• 48:22
  Yeah, it's just it's a it's a tactic which is so typical.
• 48:26
  They're trying to make him out to be the bad guy that he was trying to cover up for a fellow officer, which wasn't the case at all.
• 48:35
  No, especially since he was the one that alerted command staff that this wasn't a good arrest.
• 48:41
  Yeah, I think there's you know the through line through so many of these cop stories is that the timing, you know, of this was awful for you for your family for the Alderati's family for our family.
• 48:56
  Like it was, you know, I I did it like this whole thing about how getting a cop was like the thing.
• 49:02
  Like that was the that was the guarantee that you were gonna get the win and the support and the public support, and whether it was true or not, it didn't matter.
• 49:10
  And then how long was the trial?
• 49:14
  10 days.
• 49:15
  Okay, 10 days.
• 49:17
  And he was it was just it was just Dave, right?
• 49:19
  It was he was the only one.
• 49:20
  Right.
• 49:20
  He was the only one.
• 49:21
  He was the only one.
• 49:23
  The trial itself was eight days, and then there was two days for deliberation.
• 49:27
  Okay.
• 49:28
  And I mean, I know I mean, I've been there about that that feeling of of when they say guilty and how do you go on with your life and how do you figure it all out?
• 49:38
  And you're you have two young young daughters who are growing up through this whole process.
• 49:45
  Uh this is this is their normal.
• 49:47
  Like, this is something that they have part of their lives uh for their entire childhood.
• 49:52
  And you know, I I a long time ago I I I started realizing they don't care about that.
• 49:58
  No, that is so irrelevant to that.
• 50:00
  If not, they even in our case make you feel bad about the fact that you have a family and and you have a great relationship with your husband.
• 50:08
  So what ended up happening as far as the sentencing.
• 50:13
  The he was found guilty of one of the counts and acquitted of the other, and he got six months of probation and 150 hours community service.
• 50:26
  And that's where you are right now.
• 50:28
  So you filed an appeal.
• 50:30
  And that's uh when is the timetable that you have an idea when that's going to be potentially.
• 50:38
  We are um hoping that oral arguments will be in April or May, and then after that, it takes an average of two to six months usually to get a decision.
• 50:49
  Right.
• 50:50
  And here you are living in still in this again, he he's home, he's home, and you're gonna rebuild your life, and you're going to you stuck your to your you you stuck to your guns.
• 51:02
  And the here's the thing, and and and you're not there yet, but I always asked Mike, I said, would you have done anything differently?
• 51:11
  And he said, No, because I didn't do anything wrong.
• 51:14
  You know, it's really hard to go through this, but when you've done nothing wrong, you'd rather live with that than live with the fact saying that you did something you didn't do.
• 51:24
  Especially police officers and and like your your husband, and you're just they're good at their core, you know.
• 51:30
  So um, I know I believe me, I understand where you are, and and I wanted people to hear the fact that here you have a case where the state doesn't want to bring it, realizes last minute miraculously for some reason, for some reason, somebody either I think this is my my only opinion is that the last minute someone panicked and said, uh oh, uh-oh.
• 51:58
  We have to put this, they have to give them this police report.
• 52:01
  Or because it it just somebody somebody had to say, I can't, I can't do it, or whatever.
• 52:07
  But that was obviously conscious decision, you know, to do that at that moment.
• 52:12
  Right.
• 52:12
  And Dave is the only police officer uh set to be charged like this.
• 52:20
  That we've researched there has never been an officer in Dave's situation that has been charged to the extent that he has.
• 52:28
  Wow.
• 52:29
  And that and that it's like interpretation of a uh it's not even a law.
• 52:36
  It's like taking something that was completely innocent and had it, I would say like it's like a a plumber getting arrested for changing a pipe.
• 52:44
  You know, it's like you're doing your job and they somehow can pretzel it into a crime that didn't even exist.
• 52:51
  And and the power they have with the jury is unbelievable.
• 52:55
  I always say like they should have cameras in the I agree.
• 52:58
  Oh, yeah.
• 52:58
  In the federal courtrooms, absolutely.
• 53:02
  That would change everything.
• 53:04
  Yeah, I think, because then they're on camera and you see it and you can hear what they're doing.
• 53:09
  And um, I mean, we I don't know what whether that would ever happen, but I just think it would be so important.
• 53:15
  And we would we we wouldn't even be talking, I think today if that wasn't the case.
• 53:19
  But probably not.
• 53:20
  And they kind of like I feel like we're trying to pick, try to find something just to make it stick.
• 53:27
  So the um feds use the law that was created for companies like Enron um or other companies that were in criminal activity to that's the law that Dave was charged with, which doesn't fit.
• 53:41
  Oh no.
• 53:42
  No, they can take something and and manipulate it into that charge.
• 53:47
  You mentioned there's someone out there who actually spent time trying to figure out what to charge your husband with.
• 53:52
  There's someone who is so so dark and evil that they it was their purpose to find something, and it's driven by ego and driven by their this this other dark force that thank God we're not like that.
• 54:10
  But it just I always that's the one thing that always like killed me.
• 54:13
  Like there's people there were people out there like talking about our husbands and trying to get them and trying to find something.
• 54:20
  And like I said, taking something so innocuous and and because they have the tools to do it, created something that wasn't even real.
• 54:30
  And I I find that to be really disturbing.
• 54:34
  Um, and I I'll never understand, I'll never, I'll just never understand how people get in sleep at night doing that.
• 54:39
  The uh A USA that was prosecuting the case for the government was exposed for lying in previous trials as well.
• 54:50
  And still has a job.
• 54:51
  That's that's what I don't it's really hard to get people the bar association to really, but you know what, we have to work harder at that.
• 54:59
  I think we have to make make more of that across the board because because they can get away with it with the immunity and they that they've taken that and ran with it, which again, I don't understand why you would say, well, I'm gonna get away with it, so I might as well just do it.
• 55:13
  It's like it's like the kid who if you told the child you can steal the bubblegum, will they still do it?
• 55:18
  Well, that's called a conscience.
• 55:20
  Right.
• 55:20
  Um, and and they don't their ego has overtaken.
• 55:24
  No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 55:27
  But that's for God to figure out and karma.
• 55:30
  But um, well, how can people support you and and and donate to your defense?
• 55:36
  As we know, these this is outrageously expensive and and you know your family needs to be supported.
• 55:42
  How can people support you?
• 55:44
  We are with the Pipe Hitter Foundation, so we do if you go to their um page, you can find our donation link for pipe hitters there, and we also have a give send go.
• 55:56
  Wonderful.
• 55:57
  And we are also um law enforcement legal defense fund has been very supportive with our family as well.
• 56:05
  Wonderful.
• 56:05
  And where do we find you on X?
• 56:07
  Because that's how we met.
• 56:08
  So we can bring more people together.
• 56:10
  Yes.
• 56:11
  Um it is Jennifer.
• 56:15
  I don't have to double check.
• 56:16
  Actually, I never really look at myself.
• 56:18
  Um, but it's um, I believe it's Jennifer Finerty.
• 56:22
  Let me pull it up, but I can all it'll be at the bottom of it'll be.
• 56:25
  Yes, it is Jennifer Finerty at J-E-F-I-N-N 622.
• 56:30
  Wonderful.
• 56:31
  All right.
• 56:32
  Well, I I know there's a happy ending coming to your story.
• 56:35
  I know it's gonna be there eventually, and you're gonna be on the other side of it, and I can't wait for that day to come and I'll be there to celebrate with you.
• 56:43
  So thanks for joining me today.
• 56:44
  You're welcome.
• 56:45
  All right, see you soon, everybody.