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  Speaker 3: Great to have you with us here on this very
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  Speaker 3: lovely morning here in the Pacific Northwest. So we've got
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  Speaker 3: Ashley Ryan here. My name is Chuck Powell. No Bucky
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  Speaker 3: Jacobson today. Probably won't see him here this week, but
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  Speaker 3: we continue, We roll on, and we move toward the
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  Speaker 3: Draftmas holiday which starts tomorrow. But a lot of other
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  Speaker 3: things to discuss today before we get to holiday time.
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  Speaker 3: And everybody loads up on fudge and alcohol. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: know it's it just goes hand in hand.
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  Speaker 2: But a lot of things to cover during the course
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  Speaker 2: of our four hours together today, and.
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  Speaker 3: We look forward to you being along for the ride.
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  Speaker 2: Mariners do win last night over the New York Yankees
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  Speaker 2: two to one and exciting walk off fashion, a tremendous
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  Speaker 2: pitching performance by Luis Castillo, which we'll get into more
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  Speaker 2: in Mariners Morning After at six point thirty. But really
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  Speaker 2: the story of the game was we're off to a
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  Speaker 2: three and two start and our three best players can't hit,
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  Speaker 2: and so our MVP runner up from a year ago,
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  Speaker 2: the real MVP cal Raley, though may may have come
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  Speaker 2: out of it last night. He gets the walk off
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  Speaker 2: RBI base hit down the right field line to score
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  Speaker 2: the game winner by a final score of two to one,
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  Speaker 2: and so Ashley, great to see, you know that we just,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we just got three guys in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of our order that just are not hitting the ball.
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  Speaker 2: And even Cal who was set on the bench last
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  Speaker 2: night for a little refresher, a little bit of a
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  Speaker 2: day off to try to get, you know, just to
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  Speaker 2: get him to relax. I'm assuming because it's kind of strange.
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  Speaker 2: Game number five, cal already needs a complete day's rest.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was just kind of to reset his
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  Speaker 2: mindset more than anything else. Then they bring him off
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  Speaker 2: the bench in an RBI situation, you know, runner at third,
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  Speaker 2: less than two outs, strikes out.
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  Speaker 3: Looks horrible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when they brought him in there, I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: we should have kept him on the bench, just because
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  Speaker 1: I don't want him to have.
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  Speaker 2: To looked horrible and striking out and failing in that moment.
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  Speaker 2: But as baseball does it, sometimes he gets a second
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  Speaker 2: opportunity in the bottom of the ninth. This time he
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  Speaker 2: comes through, even though he didn't hit the ball the
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  Speaker 2: way he wanted to. He said in the postgame show,
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to hit a sack fly there, and instead
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  Speaker 2: he tops.
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  Speaker 3: It and he lines it down the right field.
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  Speaker 2: First baseline and game over at that point, two to one.
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  Speaker 2: Gum bucket on his head. Luke Rayley, who's way too
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  Speaker 2: large to be jumping into anybody's arms.
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  Speaker 6: But boy did he do a great job of it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my, what no world has happened in there. It
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  Speaker 3: looked like a you know, a bear trying to you know,
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  Speaker 3: mug a road sign. Yeah, and so they get.
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  Speaker 2: The game winner elation and then the glad handing there
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  Speaker 2: on the baseball field. Hopefully it is a sign that
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  Speaker 2: Col's broken out of his very early season, small sample
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  Speaker 2: size slump. But nonetheless, it is kind of strange to
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  Speaker 2: be five games six five games into the year and
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  Speaker 2: see your three best hitters ranking among those off to
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  Speaker 2: the slowest start, and yet you're still above five hundred
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  Speaker 2: at this point. So it's great to see Cal come
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  Speaker 2: through last night. I hope it ignites something.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I hope so too.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, if anything, it had to just feel
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  Speaker 1: good to him to be like, oh, all right, got
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  Speaker 1: something done in a moment where we really needed it,
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  Speaker 1: and he did it. I mean, Julio got something done
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  Speaker 1: in a moment where they really needed it on Saturday.
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  Speaker 6: So you're seeing at least these moments.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought Julio was out of it with that
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  Speaker 1: first hit he had yesterday that was like one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and ten miles per hour but caught by Grisham in centerfield.
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  Speaker 6: I was like, oh, come on, just on baseball. You
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  Speaker 6: just got rubbed.
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  Speaker 1: So, I mean you're seeing these little moments, and I
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  Speaker 1: hope for Cal, for that moment that gets the ball roller.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a hundred and sixty two games, and
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  Speaker 2: I mean having any sort of dramatic reaction to anyone's start,
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  Speaker 2: be it good or bad, is like freaking out in
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  Speaker 2: the third quarter of the first Seahawks game of the year.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I've done that before, though I.
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  Speaker 2: Knew that Sam Darnold was a fluke a year ago.
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  Speaker 2: Here we said in the third quarter and he's down
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  Speaker 2: a one touchdown in one interception. My gosh, what an
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  Speaker 2: outlier season he had last year.
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  Speaker 3: We have a quarterback issue or the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, George Hallan, He's got ninety eight yards in the
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  Speaker 2: third quarter.
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  Speaker 3: He's better than Ken Walker.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we don't need another running back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what a smart decision to invest in George Hallane. So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it just it's silly. It's silly season to
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  Speaker 2: react to anything at all. But certainly when you start
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  Speaker 2: a season and you've kind of sacrificed your best players
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  Speaker 2: to the good of the game, the WBC, and then
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  Speaker 2: they come back to your park and they have to
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  Speaker 2: first spend time mending fences apparently, and then they start
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  Speaker 2: the brand new season and all of those guys that
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  Speaker 2: played in that WBC, with the possible exception of Canzone,
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  Speaker 2: are the ones that are struggling the most. And so
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  Speaker 2: for Cal to have had a TERRIBLEWBC experience and then
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  Speaker 2: come back to the team and be striking out nearly
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  Speaker 2: every at bat to start the season, I mean, everybody
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  Speaker 2: needs that a little boost.
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  Speaker 3: It was going to come at some point. We weren't
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  Speaker 3: even we weren't even in the neighborhood, we weren't even
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  Speaker 3: in the same zip code of panicking about any of
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  Speaker 3: this stuff. And yet you're like, man Naylor is still
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  Speaker 3: oh for nineteen, Julio is one for nineteen, and Cal's
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  Speaker 3: needs a day off already. I mean, this is nothing
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  Speaker 3: to worry about, nothing to be concerned about, but it
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  Speaker 3: is awfully freaking strange.
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  Speaker 2: There's no question about it. And it's the sport of baseball,
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes you just need that. I'm trying to hit
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  Speaker 2: a fly ball. I didn't even hit it the right way,
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  Speaker 2: but it ended up being the game winner down the
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  Speaker 2: right field line, and it as I was goofy way.
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  Speaker 2: This sport of course correcting things and putting them right
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  Speaker 2: back on track, and so that's.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of what I was thinking.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, not only did you get the win, but
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  Speaker 2: it was nice to see cal at the center of
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  Speaker 2: the celebration. You know, he's going to start tonight and
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  Speaker 2: that you know, a little part of you, because you've
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  Speaker 2: watched enough of goofy ass baseball in your life, thinks
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  Speaker 2: that's what he needed to get going.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just goes to show you all you
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  Speaker 1: have to do put the ball in play and something
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  Speaker 1: could happen.
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  Speaker 6: And that's what he did.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, he didn't hit the ball the exact
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  Speaker 1: way he wanted to do, but took a hack at.
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  Speaker 6: It and won the game. Yeah, and it was fun
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  Speaker 6: and he looked, I mean the pick the smile on
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  Speaker 6: his face too, was like, oh I just did that. Okay,
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  Speaker 6: that's good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like we just won and maybe I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: you could just it just he looked kind of like
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  Speaker 1: a little kid, especially with a bucket of gum on
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  Speaker 1: his head.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, he does tend to look like a little kid.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it was just cute seeing them all.
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  Speaker 1: I think they were all even more happy because you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's the fifth game of the year.
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  Speaker 6: Are you Is it that exciting?
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  Speaker 1: You know, is it that big of a deal to
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  Speaker 1: walk off a win over the Yankees in the fifth
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  Speaker 1: game of the year.
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  Speaker 7: I mean.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe, but I think it was because it was cal
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  Speaker 6: too that they were so excited.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Bucky's not going to put it in a big
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  Speaker 2: win category at this point. But I said yesterday on
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  Speaker 2: the show, you know, I've heard in the past, I've
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  Speaker 2: heard professional broadcasters say that we're not in the same
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  Speaker 2: ballpark as the New York Yankees, which was nonsense, right,
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  Speaker 2: and it for some reason, it's your insecurities showing, because
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  Speaker 2: we absolutely have been on the same level as the
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  Speaker 2: New York Yankees, and we have often just whipped their
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  Speaker 2: ass right down the street here at T Mobile because
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Boone hates facing our pitching staff, both the starting
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  Speaker 2: rotation and the bullpen. But this year, most people maybe
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  Speaker 2: not Vegas because they take bets and their lines are
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  Speaker 2: based on how much betting interest there is on the
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  Speaker 2: line from the given community. It's not about who's actually better.
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  Speaker 2: They're trying to keep the money even on both sides
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  Speaker 2: because that's how they make their money.
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  Speaker 3: So you don't look at Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: Almost all the experts say the Mariners are better than
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  Speaker 2: the New York Yankees on paper. Heading into this season,
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  Speaker 2: So I said a couple times yesterday, even said it
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  Speaker 2: to Ryan Healy. This to me felt more like, no, Yankees,
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  Speaker 2: you need to come here and measure yourself against us.
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  Speaker 2: You're off to an undefeated start thus far through the
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  Speaker 2: first weekend of the season, but it's a different ballgame.
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  Speaker 2: There's a different dynamic here, and so to me, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: as far as Game five wins go, I think it
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  Speaker 2: was a really nice win. I wouldn't put it in
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  Speaker 2: the big category. I think Bucket would be proud that
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  Speaker 2: I'm not putting it in the big category game five
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  Speaker 2: of the season. But I think it was a nice win,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it was sort of a home setter,
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  Speaker 2: like there might be a different big dog this year.
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  Speaker 3: We might be the.
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  Speaker 2: Hunted this year, and we are perfectly willing to take
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  Speaker 2: on that role.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. No, and I definitely think it was. It was
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  Speaker 6: a nice win.
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  Speaker 1: It was good, and it does feel really good to
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  Speaker 1: beat the Yankees at any point in the season. Always
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  Speaker 1: I'm never I mean, I have never made it quiet
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  Speaker 1: that I dislike the Yankees, so I'll take a win
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  Speaker 1: over them all the time, I just was thinking like
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  Speaker 1: their reaction seemed a little bit more because it was
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  Speaker 1: Cal who had done it versus somebody else, and that
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  Speaker 1: could have just been me also thinking like, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: happy for Cal that he did that.
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  Speaker 3: I think they would have been happy with anybody.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I'm happy.
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  Speaker 2: There's no doubt that, you know, all three of the
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  Speaker 2: big guys are looking to get on track. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: even with the three and two start, there's frustration in Julio.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe Josh Naylor doesn't get frustrated, because that guy seems
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  Speaker 2: sees deep into the layers of the onion on everything,
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  Speaker 2: So maybe.
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  Speaker 3: He's not worried about his over nineteen start.
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  Speaker 2: Julio I think is I think Julio is once again
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  Speaker 2: bothered that he's looking up at a scoreboard before we
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: get to the month of April and he's hitting fifty three,
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  Speaker 2: and when he does hit a ball hard, it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: seem to find green grass. He has struck out eight
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  Speaker 2: times and nineteen appearances, and he knows that he's got
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  Speaker 2: a reputation of getting off the slow starts, and frankly, frankly,
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  Speaker 2: and we're not going to make a big deal out
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  Speaker 2: of this. He didn't hustle down the line in the
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  Speaker 2: bottom of the eighth I mean, you could see it.
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  Speaker 2: He had a high chopper up the middle, and with
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  Speaker 2: his speed, which is elite, he could have beaten that out.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen him beat that out. But his frustration showed
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  Speaker 2: and Julio was not busting his ass down the line,
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  Speaker 2: and Jazz Chisholm probably wouldn't have thrown him out had
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  Speaker 2: he busted his ass down the line. And that's not
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  Speaker 2: just to get an infield single. There was a runner
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  Speaker 2: at third with two outs, that's to take the lead
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  Speaker 2: in the bottom of the eighth, and he wasn't busting
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  Speaker 2: his ass then, And certainly kl did not foresee a
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  Speaker 2: start like this. He did not, for a personally, he
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  Speaker 2: did not foresee that he was going to be sitting
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  Speaker 2: because he hates sitting in the fifth game of the year,
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  Speaker 2: that he wasn't going to play in the first game
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  Speaker 2: against the Yankees. So for whatever reason, they felt they
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  Speaker 2: needed to give him a complete day off yesterday, And
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  Speaker 2: it couldn't have set well with a guy that wants
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  Speaker 2: to play every single wants to catch every single inning
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  Speaker 2: of every single game. So obviously there's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: there's a little bit of frustration that has already set
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  Speaker 2: in and there is a little bit of kind of
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  Speaker 2: moving the pieces around mentally to try to get the
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  Speaker 2: three big dogs on track. Because if you're off to
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  Speaker 2: a three and two start and you're looking at Naylor,
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  Speaker 2: col and Rodriguez with what four hits combined through these
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: first five games, I mean, you're feeling pretty good about
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  Speaker 2: yourself because you do know they are going to start
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  Speaker 2: clicking at some point. I mean, Donovan's not going to
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  Speaker 2: stay as hot as he is, that's for sure, and
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  Speaker 2: we're probably not going to get that great of a
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  Speaker 2: pitching performance out of all five starters are incredible, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: to start the season, but certainly, I mean it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of a little bit encouraging that you split with the
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  Speaker 2: Dodgers or see me the Guardians who beat the Dodgers
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  Speaker 2: last night, by the way, and then you beat the
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  Speaker 2: yank He's a really good team to start the series.
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  Speaker 2: So you're off to this three and two beginning, even
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  Speaker 2: though a lot of things about the team just haven't
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  Speaker 2: started clicking, Like a lot of really important things about
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  Speaker 2: the team have not started clicking yet.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think you definitely, especially as a fan, have
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  Speaker 1: to be happy with where they're at.
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  Speaker 6: Given what you're seeing and.
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  Speaker 1: I think even as a team, Yeah, you're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: some frustrations over the fact that those three guys aren't,
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  Speaker 1: you know, doing what we expect from them. But at
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  Speaker 1: the same time as you said, I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: you said that perfectly. We know it's going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: So if you know, you can't let the frustration, Julio
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  Speaker 1: can't let the frustration get to them, because that's going
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  Speaker 1: to be that's gonna make it worse almost.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he does not run out a ground ball
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  Speaker 2: with his beat a high chopper up the middle. That's
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  Speaker 2: a long throw for Jazz Chisholm. That is an infield
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  Speaker 2: single for Julio Rodriguez, who isn't pouting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying not to make a big deal out
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  Speaker 3: of it, but he did not bust it down the line.
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  Speaker 3: We take the lead.
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  Speaker 2: If Julio Rodriguez does what he normally does and sees
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  Speaker 2: an opportunity for a knock and busts his ass down
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  Speaker 2: the first base line.
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  Speaker 3: He beats that out.
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  Speaker 1: And stead he looks at it and was like, oh yes,
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  Speaker 1: and then runs that's what yeah, yeah, yeah, And I
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  Speaker 1: think I mean, I even watching him last night too,
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  Speaker 1: he's got some big swings that he's putting out there,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you can't be swinging for the fences
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  Speaker 1: every single time, just trying to will this thing to
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  Speaker 1: fix itself.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what's going on. Like I asked
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Healey about this yesterday. He thinks it's just a coincidence. Frankly,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just a coincidence. But man, those guys
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  Speaker 2: in the WBC are all off to terrible starts.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't I don't really know.
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  Speaker 2: I guess I just have to chalk that up to
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  Speaker 2: it's just a coincidence.
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  Speaker 3: But if you're in the WBC.
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  Speaker 2: It means we were one of the best players in
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  Speaker 2: the world, especially on the American team. That's an elite list,
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  Speaker 2: and the Americans are particularly struggling. I mean, Josh Naylor
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: doesn't have a hit from the Canadian team. I'm just
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: looking at the worst hitters. The guy's off to the
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  Speaker 2: worst start this year.
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  Speaker 5: This is just.
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  Speaker 2: The bottom page of batting average in baseball, and you've
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  Speaker 2: got Julio's fifth worst batting average, Bryce Harper's sixth. Wilson
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  Speaker 2: Contreras is on that page, Jung Huli is on that
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  Speaker 2: page from Korea. Carlos Santana, who played for the Dominican team,
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: didn't play a lot, but he was on the Dominican team.
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  Speaker 2: He's on there. Alejandro Kirk is on the bottom page.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see, this is just a smash. There's one page,
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  Speaker 2: just one page of the worst hitters. Nolan Aronado is
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  Speaker 2: on that page. He played for Team Puerto Rico. Kyle
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  Speaker 2: Schwarver is on that page. Let's see Jose Ramirez, I
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  Speaker 2: don't remember Jose Ramirez was on a team taoscar Hernandez
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  Speaker 2: is on that page. O'Neil Cruz is on that page.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see who else do we got? And that's all
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  Speaker 2: that's that I can recall. Oh, Jazz Chisholm, who played
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  Speaker 2: for Great Britain, is on that page. Aaron Judge is
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: off to a slow start. He's not on the bottom page,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: but we know he's off to a bad start. Cal
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Rawley's off to a bad start. Gunner Henderson's off to
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: a bad start. Brian Byron Buxton's off to a bad start.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: It's like everybody that played on Team USA is off
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: to a slow start. I mean, I'm certainly going to
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: chalk that up to coincidence, but it's awfully a strange coincidence.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: And Jose Ramirez was supposed to play for the Dominican
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Republic but his wife was having a baby, so I
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: don't think.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: He didn't play.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, but that's a lot of guys. It's a
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: lot of guys that participated in that preseason tournament and
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: got away from their own hitting coaches for two weeks
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: of a five week preseason and have gotten off to
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: terrible starts. And I don't know, if I don't know
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: how hands on Sean Casey was for Team USA.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he did things to hey, you're
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: doing this wrong? How about doing that?
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: Gosh, I hope not right, yeah, or.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: If they just missed some instruction, or if it is
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: just a big, giant, fat coincidence, but it is awfully
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: strange that our best hitters in the game are the
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: ones that are struggling to start the season, and certainly
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: here in Seattle, our three best meat of the order
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: guys are off to terrible starts. But it is just
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: five games and we are three and two. Certainly nothing
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: to worry about. They're all going to get going sooner
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: or later. But I do wonder, I do. I can't help,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: but wonder. Oh yeah, if there isn't a factor there.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Because even as a coincidence, it's kind of fascinating, right,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I mean it is worth looking at and saying, hmm,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: this is different.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Ry Neely said, nah, that can't be it. I'm there too,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: but it is worth at least noting. All right, let's
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: find out what's on tap for the rest of the show,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Chucking bull.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: What's on tep?
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: What's untep?
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Marinerds win two to.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: One over the New York Yankees cal with the walk off,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: and so yes, the team is three and two on
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: the year. They will play the Yankees again tonight. It'll
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: be Logan Gilbert going for Seattle going for New York
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: will be the left hander Max Freed. So another game
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: with a left handed starter for the New York Yankees,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: and so that likely means more ref Snyder, more Roblaze,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: and so on.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: The ABS challenge system continues to be a major topic
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: in the sports world, and last night it made headlines
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: everywhere because by the third inning, the Yankees had already
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: challenged five of the umpire's calls and were successful on
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: all five. It caused Aaron Boone, who's a red ass
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: to begin with, gets thrown out more than anybody in
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: the sport.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Caused him to have a little.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Conference with the home played umpire and whatever he said
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: seemed to work because he didn't have another one the
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: rest of the game.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but which he's a bummer for me because wanted
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: them to get one wrong. I was so angry he
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: was already zero for five by the third.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Inning last night on Yankees just Yankees challenges in the game.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: And so again it continues to be a hot button
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: discussion here to start the baseball season. We're not only
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: going to talk about it later in the shown, We're
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: gonna bring on jeen Sterotur today at eight o'clock because
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I'm fascinated what an NFL official, former NFL official has
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: to say about this. Also want to talk to him
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: about some NFL stuff and some college basketball stuff because
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: he was an elite college basketball official too. He's been
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: the CBS Sports rules analyst during the tournament. Ye, so
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: we'll get his thoughts on that as well. So Jean's
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: gonna join us today a little off season visit from
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: our regular guest during the season, Jean sterotur today at
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: eight o'clock. Evert Fitzi will join us at eight thirty,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: as he normally does on a Tuesday. We'll talk about
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: the Kraken taking on the Oilers tonight in Edmonton. Games
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: to go in the season. I mean, they're on the
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: outside of the playoffs looking in. It is go time now,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: there's no more time to waste for the Cracking. They
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: got to crack off some wins here to close out
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the season.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Is it a cracking ticket Tuesday?
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: It is a cracking ticket Tuesday.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, and it is a cracking ticket Tuesday as well.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: So'll be listening for your chance to win some cracking
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: tickets before the end of the regular season. We will
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: play a sounder every hour throughout the show throughout the
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: day here at KJR. When you hear it, be the
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: tenth caller at two o six two eight six ninety
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: five ninety five and you will win a pair of
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: tickets to see the Cracking before the regular season comes
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: to a close. The Final four will be held Saturday,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Michigan versus Arizona, which a fascinating note on that that
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: we'll discuss later on in the show. Also, Illinois versus
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Yukon is the other matchup. The NFL held its annual
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: meeting yesterday down in Phoenix or this week down in Phoenix,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: and there was a little bit of stuff that came
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: out of it, a little bit of stuff within the division.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: They may have a burr up his butt that we're
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: gonna have to talk about later on in the program,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: and we will certainly do that. Also, it looks like
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks are gonna be on a hard knocks which
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: is something we'll discuss in great detail today here on
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Chuck and Buck in the Mornings. And it is the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: eve of the Draftmas season. Tomorrow we will launch Draftmas
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. It's original birthplace right here on Chuck
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: and Buck in the Mornings. I know that it is
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: an international phenomenon.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: Now, we've been the galaxy.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Really actually it's a galactic yeah phenomenon now, and I'm
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: really proud of that. And yet no one can forget
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: the humble beginnings of Draftmas where it started. It was
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: right here in Seattle, Washington, on this very radio station.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yes, they're gonna go crazy on Uranus today. Okay,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: that's gonna happen.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: You know, yes, because I think they get to tomorrow
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: before we do.
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: That's right, Yes, they do.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But let's not forget our humble little sores and
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: you know, parties and everything else, because that's what it's
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: all about.
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's enough.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: It's not about celebrating on Saturn. It's about what's in
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: here right in your heart, all right, Mariners.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Morning after his next sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: Broke it back.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: This is Dumpy. Didn't be shit Randy around third and
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: he crossed his home plate broken bat RBI ribbing that
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: time from Cole Young.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Mariners are on the board. It's one to nucke.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Hey, good morning, it's a Tuesday. It is Chuck Powllin
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Ashley Ryan with you know, Bucky Jacobson today and so
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: we got you till ten o'clock this morning, and we
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: already had a full docket, and now we've got even
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: more things to discuss. First and foremost, let me handle
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: what you just heard.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: That was a highlight of Cole Young with three hits
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: last night, part of a two to one win for
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: the Mariners over the New York Yankees. Cayl Raley with
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: the walk off RBI game winning hit in the bottom
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: of the ninth, which resulted in him having a bucket
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: of gum put on his head.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: It's the cutest.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: So mareners off to a three and two start.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: They'll take on the New York Yankees again tonight to
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: try to make it three wins in a row. It'll
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: be Logan Gilbert versus Max Freed. That is your all
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: star pitching matchup. More on your headlines in a moment,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: but we've got breaking news people, all right, this is
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: gonna take a little while to discuss here. This is
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: really fascinating on a lot of levels. But the Mariners
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: have signed Colt Emerson. They're twenty year old number one
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: prospect who has yet to debut at the major League
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: baseball level and is likely to at some point this year.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: They have signed him to a contract extension, so basically
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: they've bought him out of his first two years of
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: free agency eligibility. By paying him now. He has set
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a record for most money given to a player who's
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: yet to make his major league debut. The contract is
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: an eight year deal for ninety five million dollars, but
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: then there is also a ninth year club option for
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: the Mariners as well, and with incentives and that ninth
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: year club option, it could go as high as one
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty million dollars for Colt Emerson. And so that,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: on its face is the news this morning something that
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: they did with Evan White once upon a time, and
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: it completely blew up in their faces. They believe Colt
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Emerson is can't miss. This comes on the heels of
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: the Milwauk Brewers doing this with Cooper Pratt, their young
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: prospect shortstop yesterday, very similar deal. He's yet to make
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: his major league debut and got signed to an eight
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: year deal yesterday. While the Mariners are like our prospects
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: even better. We have even more faith in him. So
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: we're going to give him more money, and we're going
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: to buy out a couple of those first free agent
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: years because we expect his price tag to be awfully
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: hefty when he does become a free agent. And so
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: eight years, ninety five million dollars for the yet to
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: major league debut Colt Emerson.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh Ryan din Ish even just confirmed it,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: saying it is pending a physical. But I think they're
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: pretty aware of it. They're all right of how physically
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: able he is. Obviously, I think it's a great move
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: by them to do, because you are securing him for
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: long term now and not having to worry about when
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: he becomes a lot more expensive. But it does make
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: me nervous because it didn't work out last time.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: I think it's a different player, and I also think
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: it's a good business when you don't run in those circles.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what's going to happen with
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: the collective bargaining agreement. I don't know what we're going
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: to see. I mean, this is this you just lock
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: him up for nine years? Yeah, I mean we might
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: have a new collective bargaining agreement next season and there
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: might be a salary cap for all we know going forward.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: So I don't know exactly.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the behind the scenes thinking is here, obviously,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: but I read into this as being very Mariner's friendly.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean I think about the rising salaries right
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: now in Major League Baseball. Kyle Tucker's making sixty million
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: dollars a year.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that seems ridiculous.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: It is ridiculous. So if cold Emerson's as good as
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: what people think, he's going to be think about how
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: much money he's potentially sacrificing in the first two years
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: that he's giving up a free agency. You know, two
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: of those years pretty much would We don't even know
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: what inflation's.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Going to be at that point.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was just a couple of years ago
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: before Otani that the highest salary was thirty five million.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: Dollars thanks Sotani.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Two years later, it's already up to sixty one for
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Juan Soto. Yeah, right, And I don't even know how
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: much Otani makes, like seventy five what.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Does he make?
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: I mean he's only getting paid.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Three dollars or ninety nine cents an hour right now,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: but I think he actually makes like a seventy five
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: million dollars per year salary, so he I mean that's
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: if you're an agent, man, you your client must really
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: want to be paid right now and have security right
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: now to avoid something going seriously wrong. Because I think
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: that's a major sacrifice for a guy that a lot
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: of people think is going to be a superstar in
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: this sport to take eight years ninety five million dollars
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: at this point and stretching it for a ninth year
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: all the way into your age twenty nine season. He's
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: only twenty right now, he'll be twenty one in July.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: But nine years, I mean, that's damn near thirty years old.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: We kind of view thirty year olds as getting close
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: to being done in this sport now, and so cold
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Emerson must really like the Mariners organization yep, and must
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: really just want to make sure that I can secure
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: my back.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: I want to be rich. I don't need to be wealthy.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I don't need to be the highest paid player.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: It's I think it's absolutely team friendly at this point
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: because even arbitration numbers. Ashley Trek Scruball just signed a
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: thirty this before free agent. He makes thirty two million
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: dollars this year. That's before even reaching free agency. That's
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: just his arbitration number. Twenty nineteen. Garrett Cole was the
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: highest arbitration figure in history at thirteen and a half.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: It's only twenty twenty six in seven years, that jumped
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: from thirteen and a half to thirty two million because
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: of all the salaries in baseball escalating at such a
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: phenomenal rate. So even that cold Emerson's cold Emerson's probably
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: would have made this contract before he even reached free
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: agency through arbitration, and yet just to get paid now
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: so he has security now he's agreed to I think
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: a really Mariner friendly deal. I'm not criticizing anyone. I'm
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: just giving you my observations. Take it however you will feel,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, feel like the Mariners have done something
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: silly again, no Barry Evan White like, or maybe they've
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: done something tremendous and it's cold Emerson and his agent that.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Have done something silly here.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: But I don't think it's good business on Emerson's part
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: because he probably is sacrificing a lot of money down there.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: And I could see for sure that he would be
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: sacrificing money. But at the same time, the amount of
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: money he's going to make in endorsements and you know,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: extra things, I don't think, say, I don't think you're
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: he's ever going to be like, gosh, I only had
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty million dollars, it's all I may.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, And I don't think that's all he's gonna
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: make either. I Mean, here's the thing is, they could
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: renegotiate things, they could do all sorts of things. They've
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: got him locked up, you never know what could happen.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: And I just I think good for him for a
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: young kid, that's that's saying, you know, I appreciate what
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: this organization has done for me and where they're taking me,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and and I want to play for a contender. Probably
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: is part of his thought process as well. And I
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: think good for the Mariners for saying, hey, we recognize
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: this the skill and talent and how special this kid is,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: and we don't want him going anywhere.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, well that's very clear.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, so it's it's eight years, ninety five
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: million dollars with a ninth year option. So cold Emerson's
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: pretty much pledged the prime of his career to the
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Seattle Mariners. And that's a great day for the Mariners.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Now he looks like he's a camp miss. I mean,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: at least to be a good player, maybe not a superstar,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: but at least to be a good player and contributor.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: And if he ends up being the superstar, then a
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: lot of people think that he's going to be. Now
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: you've got Emerson, Raleigh, and Julio all locked up for
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: the next for the foreseeable future here at this stage,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and so very interesting, very interesting move that we announced today.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: We will talk more about Colt Teferson Emerson a little
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: bit later on in the show, but on a different
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: level on the level of when will he be activated
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: by this team and more importantly, not more importantly, but
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: also in addition to that, where on the baseball fields.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about that. I was planning to talk about that. Anyway,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Let's get to the rest of your headlines. Mariners do
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: win last night. They will play the Yankees again today.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Kraken and the Oilers will play tonight in Edmonton. Everett Fitz,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: you will join us to talk about that at eight
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: thirty Final four Saturday, Michigan versus Arizona, Illinois versus Yukon
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: in the Final four. You could hear right here on
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: KJAR and it is draft mess Eve. By the way,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: I hesitate to even warn people of that because you
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: hadn't done anything to prepare. You're probably panicking now at
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: the sound of my voice. So but I think I gave.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: You plenty of advanced warning on this. But tomorrow we
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: do drive and dive into the draftmas season, and the
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Seahawks are going to be featured this year on HBO's
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Hard Knocks series, a series that seemed to be on
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: death's door, and yet I guess in a way to
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: hope to revive it, they've decided that we're going to
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: scrap all of the old rules that we had for
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: picking our team and we're just going to go with
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl champion this year. And so the Seahawks
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: will be featured on Hard Knocks this year twenty twenty six.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: They did confirm it to the Seahawks did They put
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: out a tweet about forty minutes ago. It will debut
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: August eleventh at nine pm.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: And finally, the NFL held its annual meeting, or as
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: holding its annual meetings as we speak, down in Phoenix, Arizona.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: All sorts of things they're discussing from an eighteen team,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: eighteen game schedule to also rule changes, all sorts of
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: things that they are discussing down there in Phoenix. But
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: the thing that kind of stood out the Seahawk fans
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: out there was Sean McVeigh. And yes, I realize that
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: he was being jokey. I realized that he was kidding
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: and trying to be funny. At least I think I
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: realized that. And yet I do kind of wonder what's up.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, even though he's the head coach of a rival.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of admiration that I have
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: for Sean McVay. Not only do I think he's one
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: of the best coaches in the NFL, I mean in an
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: elite group.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I also I also am amused by him.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I think he's kind of a funny guy and his
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: high intensity, which is kind of Gruden like it does
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: amuse me. And I think if I knew him personally,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I think I'd like him, you know, I really do.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: So see that there's a lot of things to like
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: about Sean McVay. But did we see a side yesterday that,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: even though he's trying to be charming and funny and
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: you know, locker roomy with our head coach yesterday, did
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: it come off as petty?
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: And did it incite.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit from Mike McDonald as well, who
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: seemed certainly to be a little turned off by it. Okay,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: now let me set the scene for you. So, Sean
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: McVay has made it very clear since that second game
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: of the year Ram Seahawks that he did not understand
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the two point conversion rule and that he believes that
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: that two point conversion ruling was terrible. He went to
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Phoenix with the idea of trying to get rid of
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: that play from the league, and certainly it's on the
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: table for discussion while they're down there in Phoenix to
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: have better clarity on whether or not if an official
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: kind of blows the play dead, that we can use
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: review to see if Zach Charbonay can pick up a
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: ball even though he thinks the play is over too
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: and just waltz into the end zone and that can
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: be worth two points and could theoretically tie a game,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: send it to overtime, and that team that suffered on
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the other side of it could end up losing that
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: game home field advantage and ultimately not be World champions.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: There's the lost in there, yeah.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Right, So that's what Sean McVay was. He's kind of
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: had a what's the word for it, an axtra grind.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: We're gonna say that, there's another word for it. I
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: was gonna use, but I don't think I should use it.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: He's had an axtra grind on this very issue, it
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: seemingly all off season, and he's used it while he's
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: down there in Phoenix with an earshot of Mike McDonald,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: as what we know of, at least twice. So he
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: interrupted his press conference, and of all the McVeigh defenders
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: are saying, jokingly interrupted Mike McDonald's press conference to ask
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: about the two point conversion. Yeah, and he also while
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Hawk Bogger.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: And Michael, Sean Dugar and I'm sure a host of
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: others were around the table having a session with Mike McDonald.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Came up in the middle of it, squeezed Mike McDonald
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: on the shoulder and said something about it. Again, so
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: we know that he's at least made two little offhanded shots.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: And then the media horde asked Mike McDonald at the
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: table there, what was that all about? He goes, first
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: time I've talked to Sean McVay since last year.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: So he didn't love it. He didn't think it was hilarious.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: If Sean McVay was trying to be funny, Mike McDonald
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: wasn't buying it. Fine, if it adds to the rivalry, great,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: But I do kind of wonder like, what are we
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: doing here?
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Are we just trying to be a pest? Because I
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: get how that could be funny in the right setting,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: but if you're just gonna keep bringing up every time
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: you bring it back up to our coaches faced, it
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: becomes less and less and less funny. So what's the
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: plan here? What's the strategy? Are you trying to get
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: under his skin? Are you trying to become his friend?
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, what what is the mode of operation here
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: for Sean McVeigh and why is he treating our coach
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: this way? I am happy on this day to just
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: chalk it up to, you know, hijinks. I just went
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: on a guy's weekend. At age fifty four. We still
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: do hijinks, you know, we still.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't get each other a hard time, still
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: give each other a hard time.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: But two NFL head coaches who haven't spoken in months,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: and you've decided against a guy that bested you this
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: past year, that you're going to give him a hard
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: time about a two point play that happened in game
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: number two of your three matchups.
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: That he didn't call.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: It's not like he did, It's not like this was
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks plan was, We're going to take advantage of
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: this rule that Sean McVeigh. Nobody knows about and we're
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: going to take advantage of the NFL and the referees
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: with our cunning ways.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: The old zach sharbonnet a confused pick up the ball
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: and stroll the end zone.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: We're really gonna get him with this one.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Guys.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: We call it Kentucky sixty five.
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not like that happened.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: So even him directing this at Mike McDonald over and over,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: you're directing it at the wrong person. The NFL is
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: the one that had the rule. The refs allowed it,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: The NFL allowed it. Mike McDonald, yes, was the beneficiary
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: of it. But he didn't sit out there saying fighting
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: for it and saying no, wait a minute. You know
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: this is the way it happened. This is the way
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the game went down. And if you have a problem
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: with it, change the rule, which apparently they even pulled
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: back the things they were proposing.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: It's it was a strange play. And let's face that,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: a se Ok fans, we didn't know that that was
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: going to stand. We didn't know that we had converted
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: the two point conversion. But on review immediately the rules
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: analyst that night said, that's a live ball. That is
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: a backwards pass. That is not an incompletion, and so
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: the rules analyst verified that's going to get overturned immediately. Now,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: maybe it is a wonky rule, but it is a
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: rule correct. So we didn't even get a break in
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: that they just enforced the rules. We got a break
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: from the standpoint that nobody understood that that was a
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: backwards pass at the time that had occurred. It didn't
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: look like it in live action, even on television. Yeah,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: much less on the sidelines.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: And that Zach sharbon it was just trying to be
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: polite and pick up the ball.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, he just did it, I think just in case.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, all right, we caught a
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: little bit of a break. But I'm telling you right
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: now because this is the way I feel. Say what
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: you want about me, criticize me, but I try to
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: remain consistent. The last thing I ever want to be
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: is a hypocrite. I have huge problems with officials making
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: wonky calls or putting themselves into positions late in games.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: I kind of want the play to happen. I want
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: the play to be decided on the field. If it's
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: an obvious call it But the reason that I feel
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: that way is I don't want the I don't want
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: some tickie tac call by an official. I don't want
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: the official deciding the game for me late in the contest,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: late where there's no time to come back from that play.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Do you know how much time was left on the
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: clock when we scored that wonky two point conversion?
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: I don't remember, but I think there was a lot
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: six and a half minutes. I was gonna say, I
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: don't remember it being quite a bit.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: The Rams had three more possessions, Yeah, three more possessions
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: in that game. You didn't lose the game because of
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: that two point conversion. You lost the game because in
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: three possessions you couldn't even get into field goal range
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: against the Seahawks defense. So I would have a lot
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: more sympathy and understand where you're coming from if that
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: two point conversion, even though it was the two points
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: that forced overtime, it was ultimately the two points that
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: led to the overtime, and then eventually the Seahawks won
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: with another two point conversion. But if that would have
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: happened with sixteen seconds on the clock, I get where
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: you're coming from. Don't don't continuously blame that play on
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: you having lost that game, because you had ample time
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: to come back and win that contest. After all, it
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: did just tie it up. It's not like it gave
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks the win. They held you for three possessions,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: you got into field goal range and you missed one,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: and you had a three and out, and then you
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: ran out of time in the fourth quarter, and then
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: in the overtime session you got outplayed and you lost
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: by a point. So, yeah, did we catch a break
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: because the ball was slightly behind and that was not intended. Yeah,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold was probably not intending to throw it behind,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: and if it's incomplete, at least we.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Have a live ball and pick it up.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: But it did happen, and from that standpoint, the Seahawks
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: caught a break, But the rule suggested that that was
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: a live ball, and Charbonnay was the guy that picked.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: It up and took it into the end zone. Two points.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: You had six and a half minutes to make up
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: for that mistake. I'm not gonna have sympathy for a
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: guy that has six and a half minutes to.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Make up for that mistake.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: No, well, I'm just it was even a mistake. It
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: had six and a half minutes to make up for
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: a weird play. Yeah, you had plenty of time to
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: come back. You got the ball. Next, go win the game,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: you know, and stop you know, obsessing on a weird
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: wonky two point conversion. And even if it does get
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: you the win, even if you do win the division,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: don't act like going to Los Angeles in the playoffs
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: is such.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: A intimidating home field advantage. You probably would have whooped
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: your ass there too.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: And also, if you're gonna be petty about it and
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: bitter about it, you're being petty and bitter to the
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: wrong person, because again, Mike McDonald did not make up
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: the rules, nor did he call the play to have
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: the ball drop at the goal line for Zach Charbonay
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: to pick it up.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he was being jokey, but the jokes get
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: old with grown ass men after a while.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: It's not funny.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: So you've done it twice, you've done it twice, maybe
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: you've done it more than that, But Mike McDonald didn't
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: seem to be amused by it.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Well, and again not in the video anyway, No, especially
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: saying we haven't talked since last year.
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: It's not really like you guys have that joking friendship.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not buddies.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, clearly.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: So if you're just trying to instigate an even bigger
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: rivalry by saying that Super Bowl shoot have been oars
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: that your concursion ghostess.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's actually great Sean mcvahan.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Pressure, then bring it on, Yes, make it bigger, let's
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: do it all right?
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Coming up next, The ABS challenge system continues to be
• 43:48
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• 43:56
  Speaker 3: The sinker and the slaughter combination that slaughter sometimes can pluck.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Capero was to challenge this the batter's challenging the pitch
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: and it was off the plane. Man. That's put you
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: on the roads too. Who's being struggling to count the.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Hi?
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Good morning, It is Chuck and Ashley. Whether you know
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Bucky Jacobson here today? Yes, we got a lot of
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: stuff going on here this morning. We've got breaking news.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Colt Emerson's got a brand new contract eight years ninety
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: five million dollars hasn't even debuted for the Mariners. That
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: is expected to happen this year, but they just gave
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: him the largest contract in the history of such deals.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: They're not the only team that does this. The Milwaukee
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Brewers have now done it twice in the last three years.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: They did it with one of their prospects, not nearly
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: the hyped prospect, Colt Emerson is Cooper Pratt yesterday, and
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: the Mariners are like holding my beer. Eight years, ninety
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: five million dollars for Colt Emerson. And I know it
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: seems a little sticker shocky, but when you think about that,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: over the course of an eight year contract, potentially nine
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: year contract, it's like eleven million dollars a year, ten
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: million eleven to fifteen eleven to thirteen million dollars per
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: season for a guy that has superstar potential, who if
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: he were to play out the string and just play
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: a six years of service time, would probably be making
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: who knows inflation wise, what is the top baseball player
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: going to make six years from now? Yeah, I mean
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: we've gone from thirty five to sixty one in three years.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: What happens when we get six seven years down the line.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, cold Emerson might be playing at a salary of
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: thirteen million dollars a year when if he were to
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: hit free agent and be as good as people think
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: that he is. I mean that might that number might
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: be at ninety by then, I mean, who knows.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely a lot higher than thirteen.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I know people are kind of freaking out
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: about it, but it seems like a really smart deal
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: by the Mariners here to lock up Emerson and now
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: you got Emerson, Raleigh, and Rodriguez locked up here for
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: damn near a decade and that is pretty exciting. Good morning,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: it is Chuck and Ashley, but it wasn't what we
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: were going to talk about here in this segment. Mariners
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: do win last night two to one, walk off RBI
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: single for cal Rawley wins the game. Nice to see
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: the big dumper celebrate with his teammates last night. He's
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: obviously off to a pretty slow start, but we were
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: only five games into the year and maybe that hit
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: gets him on track. Starting tonight. He'll be back in
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: the lineup, no doubt tonight as your starting catcher. But
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: once again, the headline in Major League Baseball had to
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: do with the umpires and the ABS challenge system. Before
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: we even got out of the third inning, the Yankees
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: had gone had challenged five calls by the home played
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: umpire and got them all right, so they were five
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: for five.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Aaron Boone was angry.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: He was barking, that's nothing new out of him from
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: the third base dugout and apparently we didn't see this
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: on camera, but after that third inning there was a
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: meeting between the home played umpire and Aaron Boone and
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Boone just chewed him out for you know, you can't
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: miss that many, right, you can't miss five in a row.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: What are you doing to us? And from that point forward,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's straightened him out, but he
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: didn't miss another one. No.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: The rest of the game, I was and I was eager.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: I wanted more challenges because I wanted the IGAs to
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: get one wrong.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: But they were five for five.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: And then you can look at the face of the
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: umpire and he was mortified. I mean you could see
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: it through his mask for goodness sake, and certainly they
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: caught glimpses of him the camera when he took off
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: his mask and he's like wiping the sweat from his
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: head on a night where it's only forty degrees.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: And he's wiping thiswet. So I mean they're feeling it.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: We're gonna have Gene Sterotre on today at eight o'clock,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: and I'm and one of the main reasons we're having
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: him on, even though he's never been a Major League
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Baseball umpire, I want to ask him about how difficult
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: it would be to never having anything questioned, never having
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: to answer for any of your miscues, and now all
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, you are absolutely on blast by the
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: sport that you're involved in.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: These umpires have never had to deal with this. I
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: wonder how they're going to operate Ashley under the strain.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I'm actually stunned that he got better after that. I
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: figured it was going to take him completely off his
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: game and then he would just stop calling balls and
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: just start start excuse me, stop calling strikes, and just
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: call everything. I didn't know how he was going to
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: handle it. But you can see that we already get
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: yelled at for a living. Now we make a good living,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: but part of that is that we get yelled at
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: by strangers. We get managers, grown men yelling in our
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: faces over our mistakes. And now we are going to
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: have a system that overrules our decisions and the entire
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: everybody in the building, everybody watching at home knows that
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: we are screwing up what we do for a living.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think I'd do well with
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: that because I'd be overthinking everything after that, just just
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: in knowing.
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: Okay, I just lost.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I just was incorrect on five and one inning, five
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: pitches in one inning. I would come the fourth inning,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, strike stall, yeah exactly. I mean like
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I'd look at someone else and be like, what do
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: you think, uh berall, yeah exactly. I would not be
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: okay to go out there and continue to do it
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: with conviction and believe in the calls that I was making.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: And I know that some of those pitches especially, I
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: think there was I think the majority of those pitches
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: were the low down, you know, down the middle, but
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: low just below the strike zone. I understand that's a
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: hard area for an umpire to call a ball or
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: a strike because.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Especially with Luis Castillo pitching right, I mean, the ball
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: moves everywhere.
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and so you're and you're up here behind, I
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: mean you're not.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: You don't have the best angle when anything's low and
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: down and down the middle.
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: I understand that.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: And Stanton's call missed by an eyelash year didn't even
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: look like there was any space in there.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: You'd have to use like a you.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Know, a Hubble telescope to find space in between that
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: ball and the strike zone.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: And so he missed that one.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: And and so I'm look, I don't want to spend
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: a segment defending him in any way. I would just
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: say that job's not easy, right, Luis Castile makes it
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: even harder. And now it's going to be even more
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: challenging for guys like Mike Esterbrook, who was behind the
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: plate last night, because now you're gonna have the pressure
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: of everybody knowing every time, not every time, but a
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: lot of the times where you screwed up. I mean,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Julio could have challenged something late and he didn't do
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: it for whatever reason, and he should have. But but yes,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is bringing a whole new element to
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: the game of baseball and has just made the umpire's
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: jobs a lot harder. The only thing that I can
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: say to them, though, is what's the alternative? I mean,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: if you squawk? And number one, if you're exposed for
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: being as bad as what a lot of fans think
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: you are, to miss five calls in a row in essence,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: and then you squawk about it and claim that it's unfair.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, you have to know you're one or two
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: steps from being removed entirely. I mean, we have instantaneous
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: ball strike capability. That's very obvious. We don't really need you,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: And in terms of bases, all we got to do
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: is rule.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: It just needs to be.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: You know, when they there's a close play at second,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: it has to be indefensible like you have to be.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: It has to be so clear and obvious. All you
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: got to do is take that away and just say, Okay,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: we're going to go on calls to the big sky
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: and they're just going to tell us what the right
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: call is. Now we're not We're two steps away from
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: not having umpires at all. So they've got to play
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: ball with this. Oh yeah, otherwise they lose their jobs entirely.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: So you've gone from having the most the most job
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: security for whatever reason, the most job security in the
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: entire universe, to suddenly like your difficult job is more
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: difficult than ever, and we're watching you for every mistake
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: you make. We're going to embarrass you, possibly for innings
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: at a time. You can't really argue and defend yourself
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: because the numbers just said you went zero for five, Right,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: what is your defense against that? And you're gonna have
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: to deal with the stress of people now knowing statistically
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: whether or not you're good at what you do or not.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: That's a major change in a short period of time.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And as I said, I would be that would
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: stress me out. I would say, they're trying to overthink
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: everything so that I could overcorrect in the other way.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I thought, crazy thing last night, though, What's how convinced
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, how how sure the Yankees were with all
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: of those I mean it was those calls were close
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: and they didn't hesitate.
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: I mean you can't obviously, you have to be fast.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: But Cavalerra on that second one, as he's bending down
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: to take off his shin guard is tapping his helmet
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: like no doubt. He was getting ready to walk to
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: first base. And I was that was baffling me. I was,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: like I wrote in my notes, are they robots? What
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the f is happening?
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Like Josie how how good and I baseball players?
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they had no doubt in their mind that
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: those were correct.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are ten for eleven so far this season. Wow,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: So four games into their season, they've already had to
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: correct the umpire ten times homeplate umpire ten times and
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: have only been wrong once. Yeah, and we're talking about
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: fractions of space. Yeah, eyelash, Yeah, you know that's what
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: we're talking about.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: And so it's interesting. I mean, they've certainly opened up
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: the door.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know how umpires are going to handle it.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: They already seem mortified and we're only we're not even
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: a week end of the season, and they already seem
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: like mortified by being called out by this new system.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: They got a long way to go, and some of them,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: we know, are not any good at what they do,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: and they've already been exposed for it, and I'm curious
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: to well, how baseball is going to react to that.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Baseball loved this idea, This is Rob Manfred's idea, And
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, people are finding out some
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: of those guys that we always thought were terrible are terrible,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: are actually worse than we thought.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: So what are you going to do about it? Yeah?
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Players get dfad when they don't perform. Managers get fired
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: when the team is underperforming. Yeah, umpires just don't get
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: removed because of how strong their union apparently is. And
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: yet we know we're watching it before our eyes. They're
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: not really necessary anymore. So what's the next step.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: In all of this. It's gonna be fascinating to watch
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: how this all unfolds.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: All right, coming up now, another monster sporting event taking
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: place this weekend. There's just not enough time to talk
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: about all this juicy good stuff. Sports Radio ninety three
• 55:08
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• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Good have you with us, Ashley Ryan to see her.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: My name is Chuck Powell.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Nobucky Jacobson today, but we'll muddle through. We've got ABC's
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: coming your way, just the second edition this year evert
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: fits you joins us later this hour, and we are
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: absolutely pleased to bring back to our radio program. Outside
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: of season, I mean, during the course of the football season.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: We check in once per week with the always entertaining
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: and interesting Gene Sterotaur CBS rules analysts, and the greatest
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: NFL official of all time. But there are some really
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: interesting things going on in the officiating world right now,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: and I need's opinion, So Ashley and I gave him
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: a call outside of season to see if he had
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: time to join us, and it turns out we're in luck.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: He's with us right now here on Chuck and Buck.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Good morning, sir, Great to talk to you.
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: Good mord. It's great to hear your voices.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: How you been, I know you're you're NCAA tournament crazy
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: right now, bouncing from site to site.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Have you enjoyed the march madness this year?
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's been a lovely You know, when you're a referee,
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: you used to count timeouts in the game, so that's
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: how you got through it with your partners. You know,
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: it was back in the day there were nine media
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: timeouts for every game. So you know you're looking at
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: a veteran and say, hang in there, kid, we got
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: four timeouts left, and now that we've added the tenth
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: timeout in the tournament, I've weathered.
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: Six hundred timeouts so far, Chuck, So we're.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Just down to thirty.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: You know, we're down to just thirty timeouts bar any overtime,
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: and life is good.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: Life is great.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Weather it's six hundred timeouts. I mean you're not official.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: I mean you you officiated in the NFL. Now that
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: long ago and and so you still remember making those calls.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: When when it comes to college basketball, having been removed
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: from it as an actual official and now seeing how
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: much the game has changed, what would you cite as
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: maybe the most difficult part of the game now to
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: officiate that you're glad that you didn't have to do
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: when you were active.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: Actually, Cherry, I think it really goes to both sports.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: You know, I did work Division one basketball for twenty
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: seven years and retired the same year from both. Okay,
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's the scrutiny quite frankly,
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: you know, I mean replay has created that, you know,
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: and in some ways rules analysts have also added, I
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: think to that scrutiny some in some regard. But I
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: do think it's the growth of replay. It's the public's
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: perception that replays going to quote unquote thick or fix everything,
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: and then naturally, what I think is unfair. Again in
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: both sports, it's the dissection of what officials are doing
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: in these sports and this speed and how they are
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: really managing and calling games.
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: And then to be scrutinized by a frame by.
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: Frame review of the play, you know, over and over,
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: that's hard and I was part of the beginning kind
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: of death, you know. But believe it or not, eight
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: years have gone by. It scares me to think that
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: it's been eight years since I was on the court
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: and field. But I think that's probably the number one
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: thing I see more now than when I was kind
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: of in my prime.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Geene stera tour with us right here on checking back,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: and that blends right into one of the reasons that
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: I thought to bring you on this week. And it's
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: a sport that you've never officiated, but Major League Baseball
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: talk about scrutiny. I mean, they have added like pitch
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: by pitch scrutiny to Major League Baseball umpires. And I'm
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: just curious what you think of this is this is
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: a group that at one point whatever they said went
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: and there was and baseball was slow to go to
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: replay and slow to pretty much do just about everything.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: And in a very short period of time they've gone
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: from whatever we say goes to now every single pitch
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: can be challenged and analyzed. And I wonder put yourself
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: in the shoes of that Major League Baseball homeplate umpire,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: and how big of a shock it is to be
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: where they're at right now and in the midst of
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: fans cheering wildly because they missed a ball strike call
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: by a centimeter during the course of the game. What
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: what is your thought on this?
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: I think baseball is probably the most sensitive of the
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: sports as it relates to replay, and I empathize with them,
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: and I say that for this reason. There is there's
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: there's less, maybe in a grand team of things, less
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: subjectivity to some of the things you rule in baseball.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: Right the ball's either fair foul. The pitch is either
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: in the square or it isn't in the square. There's
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: fine lines to a lot of those decisions that they're making.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: The bang bang foots the ball and the glove, that
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: type of thing. Most of those rulings can be done
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: with a frame by frame stop the camera there it is.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: That's what it is based on the technology we have
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: with all of that fuld see basketball and football. There's
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: layers of subjectivity. What's holding, what's past interference? You know,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: there's pieces that are more gray. But I got to
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: tell you, look, I was a youth baseball manager of
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: all my kids, you know, daughter and two sons.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: For ten years and brutal as a manager to umpires,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: I was bad.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: But I also have to say that I liked when
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: an umpire and home plate allowed a really good picture
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: to paint the corner right, to have the ball hit
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: black and ring me out and stay consistent within that.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: To me, that was just an amazing art to watch
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: and still watch them. As you just said, so get
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: these things so right so many times. But now because
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: of a centimeter a millimeter in cases, right, we're going
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: to tell you that you're wrong here and and everybody's
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: going to know about it all and then it gets published.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: You know, it's a crazy business. You know, it's a
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: crazy business. Officiating standard is perfection to the world, and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: anything below that standard is unfortunately unacceptable to the majority.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: But it's also what officials know going into this profession
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: or advocation, and quite frankly, it's what they wear as
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: a badge of honor, the truest one. So I think
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: you live with it, you know, it's just another another
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: data point to let the social media world and the
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: general public think I could do this as I sit
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: on my couch, you know, but that's what.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: This How did you deal with it?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: The moment that instant replay started becoming such a big
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: deal in the NFL. What was the adaptation like for
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: you and your guys? And then I would just ask
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: on top of it, you know these baseball umpires, how
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: do you think they're going to handle I mean, we're
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: five games into the season, Gene, We're not even a
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: week into the season, and you could see the ones
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: that are getting called out routinely. They're mortified. I mean
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: there was a guy last night buying homeplate who missed
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: five in a row at one stage, and it was
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: a forty degree night here in Seattle and he was
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: sweating bullets. I mean, you can see the pressure that
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: they're carrying. And we're just getting started. Baseball is a
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: long season. It's an every night profession. And I'm curious
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: how you handled the increased scrutiny when you were in
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: that transition, and how you think maybe baseball umpires doing
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: on a nightly basis are going to handle it.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, quite honestly.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: When replay continued to grow, as I was a referee
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: and we had weekly training takes for the official was
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: on field that went into points of emphasis what was
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: going on weekend and week out, and then we had
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: a replay training tape where a replay official. Back then,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: we didn't have New York involved. We had a replay
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: official and the referee that made those decisions. Quite honestly,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: I let my other crew take that thirty minutes off
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: of our pregay meetings. I didn't want them seeing how
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: the game had to be dissected in that booth at
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: that time.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: I needed that to.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: Be exclusive to my replay official and myself, and I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: didn't want those ghosts of how do I referee these
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: frame by frame things once I go out there in
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: real time, So I kept them away from the replay
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: training tape a lot for that reason. I wanted them
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: to just continue to do what they did because they
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: were there for a reason. It was because they were
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: getting those plays right for the most part, and in
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: those tough instances where you went in and you had
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: to overturn an official in real time on a tough
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: play that they really sold and seld in their gut
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: was one way, and you came out and it was another.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: That's when you had to become a very good leader
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: and a great psychologist to get them through what these
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: little nuances have become. I lived it with Calvin Johnson's
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: catch really was the first one of usis a catch
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: or not? It felt like a catch to me. It
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: was a catch in my backyard, you know. But by
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: these intricate rules that have to be put in play now,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: because we can frame by frame adjust not just the
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: play but how we rule on it. When does the
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: catch end, it becomes a frame framing. So I think
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: this will happen quite frankly, I think the umpire is
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: now going through this in the in right now, in
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: the now, we'll just hone it up and I think
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: it'll get tighter. I think, you know, maybe the accuracies
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: are off right now a little more than they're used to,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: but they'll adjust. That's what great officials do, uh, And
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: I think that'll be the case, you know, naturally the
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: human conditional play. But I wouldn't be so if the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: reviews of these or their accuracy now becomes a little
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: more pinpointed. That's the challenge of faced with right. So
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: now elevate yourself within this new kind of parameter that
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: we're putting you in, and I think I think they'll
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: rise to the occasion.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Geene sterretur Is with us former CBS a former NFL official,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: former college basketball official, and also current CBS rules analysts
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: for both sports. And he's been our guest for the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: last few years, all during the football season, joining us
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: giving us a special appearance here today, so we could
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: ask him some of these questions. And how do you
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: see the future of officiating? Then, I mean, it does
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: feel like NFL officials are under such scrutiny. I mean,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: we even have the We even have the NFL apparently
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: preparing replacement refs justin case for this upcoming season. In baseball,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: there's the threat that we're not that far away from
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: just computers determining the whole thing and we don't even
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: need umpires out on the baseball field. And then in
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: the basketball world, I think the NBA officials are considered
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: the worst of the group, even though they might have
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: the most difficult job of all of them, because I
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: can't even tell a foul anymore in the National Basketball Association. So,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: in your estimation, as somebody that loves this profession, is
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: prideful in this possession, what is your outlook for the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: future of officiating?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's the four runner to the majority of our jobs, Chuck,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, as you continue to watch
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: this evolve, right, and you read things and see things
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: now that just scare the heck out of you.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: Thirty percent of us aren't going to be valuable.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: Anymore as far as our talents and or all of
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: these other things.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: I think those are really big questions.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: They kind of transcend maybe sports, the human element of competing,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: the human element of managing people in that space when
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: you are an official in these games, regardless of the sport,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: every single sport. You know, being a great play caller
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: and being perfect and getting your plays right, that's one thing,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: and it's a very important part of the business, and
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: quite frankly, you know it's going to carry the majority
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: of weight and scrutiny because that's what's visible to the
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: general public. But refereeing and managing atmospheres and people and
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: games in intense, uncomfortable situations and making the game.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 5: Play to the integrity that you are beholden to and
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: why you do it.
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  Speaker 4: Machines aren't going to replace that.
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  Speaker 5: That's not going to go away.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, the hope is that the stakeholders understand again,
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  Speaker 4: we can go.
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  Speaker 5: Add more plays in the NFL to review.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: We can do all of what we're doing and get
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: them right and slow the game down, but get it right.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: But who's managing the app athletes, Who's keeping the game
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: flow at a level of efficiency that the players will
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: perform at their best because that's how they prepare during
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: the week to play at.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: This fast paced, efficient level.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: Does the stoppages do those start to create now that
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: wonky feeling?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: And what we love is games. That's the challenge.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: That's what you have to really take a good, hard
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: look at. And that's why you hope that through all
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: of the things that happen in these businesses we all
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: have been part of, as they get to their differences
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: and hopefully work them out, it's the understanding of what
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: the magnitude of having people that have worked at this level,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: that have gotten to this level, that understand that atmosphere
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: and can manage the games and keep it within the
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: integrity that we.
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  Speaker 5: All love because that's what they do.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: Make this and continue to keep this game that we love,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: and their big challenges moving forward because of this, and
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: I think those are the disc os that need to
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: continuously take place. And at the end of the day,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: you look and so long as everyone agrees at the
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: end of the day to the one sentences. Does this
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: make the game better? Is this good for the game?
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: All of us coaches, players, officials, and people that actually participate,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: they're all beholden to the game. The game trumps everything.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: What happens after that, how about it. But that's what
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: you've got to make sure happens now. And it's more
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: than just getting your accuracy level up by two tenths
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: of a percent.
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  Speaker 2: I'm envisioning the year twenty forty five, a major league
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: baseball umpire or a major league baseball manager so angry
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: that he literally is yelling at a computer screen and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: looking for where to unplug it exactly.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: I know that's exactly right.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: I would get that right because I would know where
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: the plug is. I would say, look, lift the third
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: set up in the dugout. It's under the third seat.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: Probably he has one of those long what you know,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: things that have multiple plugs in case there's a you know,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: a shortage or something to pull the whole thing out.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: Let's go back to the old days, you know.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: I think it was just unplug it and plug it
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: back in. It'll work better for our team.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: Uh, you're looking for a way to manipulate it to
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: get to w Chuck. I just gave a speech on integrity,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: and now you're finding out how to work the system.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: See what happens when we're away from each other.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: I know I've become a dark stuck right back to
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: the dark side again.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: Jeez, there is with us.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: I do want to ask you about a couple of
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: football things before we wrap up. Sean McVay is still bothered,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: uh by that two point conversion play where it was
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: a backwards pass and the I forget who the rules
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: analyst was at the time, but it was a Seawk
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: Trams game, I know, you know, the one that we're
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: talking about, and it was backwards pass, but it didn't
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: look like that in real time, and the rules analyst said,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: that's a backward pass. That's going to be a touch,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: that's going to be a too successful two point conversion.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: But the play sort of stopped and our guy picked
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: up the ball, not knowing that he was doing anything productive,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: kind of waltzed into the end zone. We got two
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: points out of it, and the rest is history. Well,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: he's still bothered by it to the point, Gene that
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: he is now starting to like shout things at Mike McDonald,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: our head coach about it.
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  Speaker 3: He's trying to get the rule change.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: So I think the way I want to ask this
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: is if Sean McVay, just if he ran.
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  Speaker 3: Into you, you're having you're having dinner.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I know you'd go to a better
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Italian place than this. But Buca Debeppo or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: He got garlic.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: He's got garlic on his breath. He walks up to
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: you and he says, he says, Gene, that two point play.
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  Speaker 3: It's driving me nuts still, I mean, can you believe it?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: You got to help me on this. How could they
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: have let that happen? What would you have said to him?
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  Speaker 4: With a lot of layers there, Chuck, if you haint
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: garlic on his breath, he's going to make me miss
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: my late grandmother.
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  Speaker 5: So that's going to be a bad thing to begin.
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  Speaker 4: Look if I were the rules analyst that actually said it,
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  Speaker 4: and then it appeared like after the statement was made,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden they were starting to review something.
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  Speaker 5: You know, maybe the timing of.
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  Speaker 4: How the review process occurred. It was originally ruled it
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: insimplete pass. If my memory serves me correctly. I think
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: we almost in all the weights to the point where
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: the team was lining up for the kickoff, right, I
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: mean there was a window of a delay there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: And as you said, they brought in an analyst who
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: took a look at this play, and quite frankly, in
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: many cases, as rules analysts, we kind of become a
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: little bit of a replay analyst to write a replay
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: official in certain ways, right, because you're you're.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: Looking at situations.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: You realize when what we called in our business, there's
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: a little smoke on that play that was that forward backward.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: Maybe the rules analyst was ahead of maybe what New.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: York to replay body was looking at or doing. I
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: think when you get into extended delay and all of
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: a sudden ninety.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: Seconds later, how do we write.
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  Speaker 4: A rule when something is ruled incomplete on the field
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: and not rule backward pass on the field and now
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: in the immediate continuing action after a play we ruled
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: dead because we blew it incomplete, and the majority of
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: players on the field heard the whistle, looked at the
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: official waving and complete, know what the signals mean, and
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: broke down from participating. But one player went over because
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: he's a gentleman to pick a football up to flip
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: it to someone and had it in the end zone.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: And when you have a replay review, when do how
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: can we fix an incomplete pass that may be a
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: backward pass If the defense would happen to pick this
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: football up thinking it was a backward pass, right or
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: something like that, these are the rules that are getting created.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: So they created that phraseology. In the immediate continuing action
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: of the play, something else happens that we can now
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: bring into the play to add to the tail end
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: of it. It's like ruling a running back down by
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: contact and not a fumble, and the ball squirts out
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: and the defense picks it up and starts running for
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: a touchdown, and you rule them down by contact. Replay
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: shows that it's a fumble and the defense picked it
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: up within three or four camera frames. We can't give
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: them the touchdown because we were blowing it dead, but
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: we can give them the fumble.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: And the recovery.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: That's how replay rules and the game changes when we
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: add this technology. Now, officials are trying to be trained
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: that in those very tight moments, just rule it a
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: backward pass all the time, and then it still plays.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: And then if it is picked up and in the
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: end zone and we look at replay and say it's
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: a forward pass, no harm, no law, you know, no foul.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: So it's these things that are changing. As we change
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: each little rule or a couple sentences or words in
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: a rule, the consequences of that have multiple tentacles. The
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: replay rule book grows, the scenarios grow, and then the
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: officials have to make these crazy adjustments of how they'd
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: refereed for twenty twenty five years to work now, because
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: this is what we're doing with technology. So forget your
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: gut there. Whether it's a pass fumble from the quarterback,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: just rule fumble. Then if it's a forward pass, we'll
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: fix that later. But then we have balls going five
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: yards down the field and someone picked them up and
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: we're screaming like that's a forward path.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: Kill it.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's a tough thing. This is what's happening.
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  Speaker 4: So those are the things that Coach McVay, I'm sure
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: Coach McDonald after they get through disagreeing about it and
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: maybe having their own I can't referee that thing, by
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: the way, either, I wouldn't get involved between coach McVay
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: and coach.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: McDonald's situation in the off season.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: But I think these are the things that are constantly
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: being discussed as we continue to move forward, that else
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: can we use repair for it?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: So you'd have sympathy for him, you'd like, sit down,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: let's talk about it.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: I think you make some great points here, Sean.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: Here, let me get you, let me get you a
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: play to macaroni, and let's just talk our way through it.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Because what I was really hoping you would do is say,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: in my scenario, hey, buzz off runt, you're ruining my tortellini.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: That's what I was hoping you would say to him.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: I would give him a spur, I give him a
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: couple of spoons, apostas that last two pieces of garlic
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: bread though, don't touch those, like leave those alone. That's
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: a different situation. So, yeah, this priority is Chuck, you
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: know exactly.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So he's got a point, is what you're saying.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: And yet I still don't think he should still be
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: thinking about it on March thirty first.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: But he can't let it go. He just can't let
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: it go.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: Geane' that's a carment that I'll probably do the first
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: for the first and stay quiet on okay, a lot
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: of them, you know, they hold things for a long time.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, long time, yes, yeah, all right.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: Well, hey, great to catch up with you. Thank you
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: very much.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: Love your insight and I found that to be a
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: very fascinating conversation, so appreciate you. Enjoy your off season,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: and we'll try not to bug you again for a while.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: How about that?
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: You got it?
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: Guys, have a great week and I you never know,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: maybe well if Astley reaches out, then Chuck, you and
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: I will talk.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: Okay, That's how it works in this business. So thanks
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: so much. Having wonderful week.
• 1:17:29
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• 1:18:03
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• 1:18:07
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  Speaker 3: It is Everett fits you. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 5: Well?
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  Speaker 7: The tree here is beautiful this time of year. It's
• 1:18:21
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• 1:18:25
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  Speaker 3: I love the idea that you all do gather at
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  Speaker 3: the tree in Edmonton. Yes, well, I mean, look, ten
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: games to go in this sucker, Everett's it's time to
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: put up or shut up. I mean, this team needs
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: a hot streak right now, and having lost five of
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: their last six.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Doesn't feel great. Tell me why this thing's going to
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: end with a goods positive story.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 7: Well, they've lost five their last six, but they have
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 7: points in three straight, so I think they can start
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 7: turning it around there. Listen, I do think that this
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 7: team in the last three games they've played better hockey
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 7: than in their previous fourteen coming out of the break.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 7: I mean, it just wasn't where they needed it to be,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 7: and especially against the competition that you're going to play
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: in the playoffs. I mean, you lost the two games
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 7: or the game in Nashville, which I mean that is
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 7: kind of unforgivable when you look at the team that
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 7: now occupies the spot two points ahead of you. You
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 7: do have a couple of games in hand, and you'll
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 7: burn one of those here to fight because Nashville doesn't
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 7: play until tomorrow. So if the Kraken can win tonight,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 7: they'll you know, have one of those games in hand
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 7: back on them. But I think for me, this team
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 7: is starting to understand the gravity of this situation. They've
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 7: been playing a lot better the last few outings, and
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 7: they've been getting offense from the players that that they've
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 7: been meeting to get offense from the most. I mean,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 7: I look at the guy like Kapokaco, who has been
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 7: on fire since the Olympic break. He's got points in
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 7: five of his last seven games, and Jordan Ebe is
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 7: starting to contribute a little bit more. Tandler Stevenson finally
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: broke out of a slump, twelve game gold drought, he
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 7: snapped the other night. So you're starting to see these guys,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 7: you know, get back to where they need to be.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 7: And at the end of the day, this is, for
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: my money, this was the goal all along when you're
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 7: looking at this season. You needed to be playing meaningful
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 7: games in March. You know, Game seventy two needed to matter,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 7: and it does. And I think that the frustrating part
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 7: is where this team was going into the Olympic break.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 7: But I think you know, at the end of the day,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 7: you're still battling for a playoff spot. You still have
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 7: got games against Vegas, you have a game against la
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 7: You've got a game against Edmonton here tonight. So you've
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 7: got games against teams that you need beat that you
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 7: potentially could match up with the playoffs. I mean, depending
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 7: on how this coaching change goes in Vegas. I mean
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 7: they just changed their coach with eight games. They've got
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: eight games left and they fired Bruce Cassidy and brought
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 7: in John Torodirella. The Krack can play them twice, so
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: weirder things can have happened, but the cra can feasibly
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 7: could find themselves in third place. Overtaking pigas you know
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: here in the next two weeks now a lot has
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: to happen. But you know, I do think this team
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: is trending in the right direction at the time when
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 7: it matters the most.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: Why does Bobby McMahon making scoring look so easy in
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: this offense?
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I think he brings two things that
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 7: this team hasn't had a lot of this season. A
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 7: lot of speed. I mean, he is your fastest player
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 7: on the ice right now, and I think he also
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 7: brings a willingness to shoot the puck. It's no secret
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 7: that this team can be a little bit selective in
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 7: their shots, or a passive literal sense of the word,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 7: in terms of of looking for that right opportunity. And
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 7: the thing about Bobby McMahon is you never know where
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 7: that SHOT's going.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: To come from.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 7: There have been a couple of times when you know,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 7: Al and I are expecting the pass and he shoots
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 7: it and it generates a rebound. The goal he scored
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 7: in Buffalo, he's coming down the wing, he gets by
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 7: a defender, bobbled the puck, but he still was able
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 7: to control it and score the goal. So for me,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 7: I mean he's putting together and bringing all of these
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: pieces that I think we're lacking in this Krakens game
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 7: all season longest penning.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: Off Eric fits you as with us Savoice if your
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: Seattle Cracken, Well, I hope he can end up being
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: a special scorer beyond this year for this team, because, man,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: you get ready to take on the Edmonton Oilers here
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: tonight and I'm just looking at the scoring leaders for
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: each team. Jordan Ebery fifty one points as the scoring
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: leader for the Kraken. Connor McDavid as one hundred and
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: twenty four, almost three times more than our best offensive weapon.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, how badly does this organization need? Maybe not
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: Connor McDavid, but somebody in that ballpark.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I mean I think that is the that's the
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 7: white whale, right, that's the golden ticket that you want.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 7: But I do want to caution fans out there on
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 7: that philosophy, because yes, you would love we all would
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 7: love McDavid, a McKinnon, a mccarr type of player, but
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 7: those teams had to go through a lot of suck
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 7: to get those guys. I mean, here here in Edmonton
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 7: they call it the Decade of Darkness. They went to
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 7: the Stanley Cup Final in two thousand and six. They
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 7: lost in Game seven to the Carolina Hurricanes. They didn't
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 7: make the playoffs again until twenty seventeen. In that time,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 7: they had four number one overall picks, including Connor McDavid.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 7: Five I'm try five to one overall picks, including Connor McDavid.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 7: They had the likes of Jordan Everly, They had Taylor Hall,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 7: they had Nail Yakapov. The goaltending was always a struggle
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 7: for them. So they've had good players. They've had those guys,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 7: it just hasn't worked. So in order to get that
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 7: type of player. Yeah, you have to go through a
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 7: lot of bad Now. In the case of the Colorado Avalanche,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: they already had the Canaan and Landis Cogan, all those guys.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 7: But they went from twenty eight out of thirty one
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: to Stanley Cup champion in five years. So that was
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 7: a pretty good five year plan. But you're right, I mean,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 7: this cracking team desperately needs a bona fide, legitimate score.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think Seattle probably is the only team
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 7: in the league that doesn't have one of those blue
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 7: chip type of players.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 7: Luckily for Seattle, it's worked for them historically. This has
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 7: been a four line team. It's been a team that
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 7: consistently has been able to find points up and down
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 7: their lineup. But you need that game breaker. I lovey
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 7: Ian Ferness calls it the aircraft carrier.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: You need that guy.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 7: Uh, those guys typically aren't always found in free agency.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 7: You can trade for that guy, but then you're gonna
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: have to give up a whole lot. And I always
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 7: like to work the problem backwards. If you want to
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 7: go get player X, well, then what is that team
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 7: gonna want from your roster? And that could right, so
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 7: a lot of a lot of fan favorites could be
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 7: out the door to get that to get that piece
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 7: that you need. But I think that again, you know
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 7: this team, the way that they play, the way that
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 7: they're constructed, they've been having success, but I mean this
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 7: has been Jason Boschrol before that Ron Francis. This has
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 7: been their goal since day one is to bring in
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 7: that top player. And you're hoping that this summer through trade.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 7: The free agency market isn't that great in terms of that,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 7: so you know you're gonna have to look at maybe
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 7: flipping some of your assets you've got four first round picks,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 7: You've got a number of great prospects in the system
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 7: that have been you know, tantalizing two other teams. So
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 7: it wouldn't surprise me to see a big move made
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 7: this summer. But you know, first things first, they got
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 7: to get through these last ten games and get to
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 7: the playoffs.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: Ten games to go. Bottom line it for me, how
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: many points will they require to get into the playoffs.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna say this team's got
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 7: to go seven and three, some combination of fourteen points
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 7: and whatever that number is. But again, you're also at
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 7: the time of year where you're looking at teams ahead
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 7: of you to make mistakes. You've got games in hand,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: you've got games against teams.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: Ahead of you.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: You still play the Kings once, you still play Vegas
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: a couple of times. So right there, you've got three
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 7: four point swing games that you know, in theory could
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 7: put you back in the top three. But I think
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 7: for me, for the crack and to control their own destiny,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 7: do what they can do to control what they can control.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 7: I mean, I would say they have to go some
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 7: combination of seven and three fourteen points in these last
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 7: ten games.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: All right, have fun tonight. We will be listening. We
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: need a w and you're going to deliver.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: I know that you will.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: Everett fits you.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: Thank you very much. You make get Bucky back to work. Okay,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: enough vacation, you'll get to come.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: Back to work, all right, Thanks man, have fun tonight.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: All right, take care, see you guys.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: All right. Evertt fits your voice of your Seattle crack
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: in an action tonight against the Edmonton Oilers at the
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: Tree in Edmonton at six o'clock. They will drop the
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: puck five thirty with Mike Benton on the pregame, and yes,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: ten games to go fourteen points perhaps needed to get
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: into the playoffs. They got to start winning, and they
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: got to start winning now, not tomorrow, not next year. Now, yeah,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: do it now. I'm morphed into a little tiwin lanister
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: there for you all.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Coming up next on the radio program,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: did Emerson Hancock create a beautiful problem for the Mariners?
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  Speaker 3: Carnival cash sounds one.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, that sounds like probably one of the best
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's cotton candy is one thing. You're
• 1:29:00
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  Speaker 3: and I can put a giant heaping a mount of
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, I could do with other cotton candy, right, yeah, right,
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  Speaker 6: the kids can have that.
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• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: of the big giant corn dog, you can just give
• 1:29:21
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Instead of going to the carnival and seeing the bearded
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: Lady or Alabama, I would just like to be ushered
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: into a theater of cash.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's something like I'd like to open up some
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  Speaker 6: cash curtains.
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  Speaker 3: Everything to lalup dot com. All right, we did the
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  Speaker 3: ABC intro.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna do this a little bit later on
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: the hour, but we've had different new stories break here
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: this morning, and I think it has forced us into
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: spend a little more time on some of these subjects
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: inside the ABC's of the ms. And so we have
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: just restarted our brand new year with this segment. This
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: this segment slash bit, and that means we're at the
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: beginning near the beginning of the alphabet. So we'll start
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: with a letter D in DS fort Donovan, Brendan Donovan,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: who's kind of been so far this season. Like James Harden,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: he's given up an awful lot on defense and a
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: short amount of time, but you can't be angry with
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: him because he's created so much on the offensive side. Like, yeah,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: James Harden may give up twenty five points per game, but.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: In his prime he average like thirty five points per game.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: So as long as you're getting a net positive, then
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: all's good with Brendan Donovan. Well, bottom line is is
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: that Brendan Donovan I think will ultimately settle into that
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: third spot and he ultimately is going to cool off
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: a little bit at the plate. He's not going to
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: hit four forty this entire season. But I do big
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: picture love what I'm seeing out of the big acquisition
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: of the offseason. But certainly another era last night which
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: opened up the gate for the Yankees only run. We
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: do have a little bit of a defensive concern and
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: it comes right from the horse's mouth. I mean, Brendan
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: Donovan when he sat down with us, said that this
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: was going to be a little bit of a work
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: in progress, and he doesn't feel completely comfortable with all
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: the things that go into playing third base on a
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: consistent daily basis. I mean, after all, he was in
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: Saint Louis. He's backing up Nolan Arenado. So even though
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Brendan Donovan played some third base with the Cardinals, it
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: was just here and there. He was more a second
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: baseman in an outfielder in a DH than he was
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: a third baseman. But our hole was at third base,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: and so the idea was put in with Perry Hill athleticism, grit,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: a work ethic like few others, and he'll get there eventually,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: and I think that he probably will.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, Gino.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: Suarez came to us a flawed defensive third baseman and
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: he damn near won a Gold Glove over there. So
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: I think with time it is going to be fine.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: We just kind of have to live with this transition
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: process with him. But he does, by his own words,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: not look altogether comfortable.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: There right, No, And it was it looked sloppy a
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: few times over there in that corner. I mean, there
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: was the pop up that dropped between him and Rivas
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: and Rosarna, and then there.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 6: Was the one he lost in the lights, yes, yep, yes.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: And that Leo was standing there with his hands up
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: like I don't see it either, and so and then
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: there was the air.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 6: So I mean it was I found myself watching.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: The game last night going ooh, cringey a little. Yeah,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: And I don't think he's making up for all of
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: it on offense. So we're getting a net positive from
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: him every single night.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, And I don't think I was.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think that one, the pop up that dropped
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: in between all three of them, I don't think Rivas
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: should have called either him or a Rose Arena off.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I thought.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: And I thought Rivas had the worst angle, So I
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: don't know why he was calling anyone off to try
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: to get that ball.
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  Speaker 6: I thought a Rose Arena.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he hadn't gotten called off yet when
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: he did late stop, but I would have thought he
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: would have had the best shot at that one. So
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't put that on Donovan at all. It just
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: looked sloppy in that area last night.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: Well, and you're without your shortstop and you've got a
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: brand new third basement, and let's face it, Randy, a
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: Rose Arena is a carnival of cash, you know, and
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: left field. I mean, you don't know what you're going
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: to get out of that guy from play to play.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, even last night, I don't want to pick
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  Speaker 2: on anything. I realized we're you know, we're we're mending
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: fences with Randy, and we want Randy to.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: Be happy because we like ring right. But dude, you
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: have got to cut that ball off in the alley. Yes,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, that is the go ahead run in John
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: Carlos Stanton, and he can't run. It's to go ahead. Yeah, trot.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: That's that's all he can do is trot. And the
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: only way he gets to second base is if you
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: let that ball get by you and all the way
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: to the wall. You gotta slide, dive, do anything to
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: keep that ball from getting past you. And it's not
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: like you were loafing after it, but you.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: Didn't do everything it took to keep that ball from
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: splitting the alley. And that's a huge, huge base you
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: just gave a guy that wasn't going to get it
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: in any other way.
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  Speaker 1: So a little frustrating, Yeah, no, I agree, I yeah,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: just that whole left side yesterday was a little.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a question mark. There's no question about There
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: are a lot of great things about that, but that's
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: that's a question mark. That's a work in progress over there.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: And I do think Brandon Donovan will adapt and I
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: think he'll be fine, and by seasons in we don't
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: have to worry about defense at third base. But bah
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: blah blah, if by chance it is something that lingers,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: he is for Emerson, because I was asked over the
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: weekend by you know, my buddies hanging out over the
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: weekend and they're huge baseball fans like I am, about
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: when's cold Emerson going to be called up? And my
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: answer to it is simply, when they think he's one
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: of their best nine, he will be called up and
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: they'll figure out where to put him. This is not
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: going to be a situation where, well, let's see if
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: JP's shoulder comes through, or if you know, or where
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: JP's batting average is in July, or you know, let's
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: see how Brendan Donovan adapts to third base, or let's
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: see how the DH rotation goes early in the year.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: Nope, that's not the way, in my opinion, that this
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: is going to work.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: This is not going to be cold Emerson's getting called
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: up because he needs.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: To fill a hole. Now, it might be. I mean,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: that's not out of the possibility.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: If JP can't get healthy, if he has a setback
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: with his shoulder, then I think we're gonna see cold
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: Emerson called up and fill that hole and play shortstop
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: on a regular basis. That's what I think is going
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: to happen. But I don't think it's dependent on something
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: else going wrong. I think what's going to happen is
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: when they believe cold Emerson's got a few reps down
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: in the minor leagues and you don't launch him on
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: opening Day. Then when they feel like cold Emerson is
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: definitively one of the best nine guys and we want
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: him in the lineup every day to help this team
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: win a World Series, then they will assess where do
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: we put him right? Where is the adjustment? Okay, Colt's
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: ready right now. Where is where Let's assess how this
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: is gonna work. And it might very well be Donovan's
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: just not coming around to third base. So what we're
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: gonna do is we're gonna put Emerson a third JP's healthy,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: gain he's a short Donovan's gonna be an everyday player,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: but he's gonna turn into that super utility ben Zobris type,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: and we'll put him in right field, We'll put him
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: at second base, we'll put him at third. On occasion,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: we'll put him at DH. We're gonna get it. We're
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: gonna put him in the lineup every day or most
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: every day. But it might not be the third bait.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's the place where Colt fills the third base spot.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: Could be that, Hey, we waited on the shoulder thing
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: long enough. I mean, we're gonna make this move eventually
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: one way or the other. Colt's ready and we're not
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: gonna sit here and wait on JP's shoulder and the
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: world's worst shortstop range. We're not gonna let that stand
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: in the way of perhaps adding another special piece to
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: this line. So it could be that Cole Young's off
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: to a good start, but the leash isn't unending, you know.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: If he struggles, it could be a second back. Could
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: be the DH situation.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not gonna be outfield, but you can
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: move pieces around where Emerson you could you will find
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: a spot for him in the lineup.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: So this is just me reading the tea leaves.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know this for a fact, but my belief
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: has always been we're gonna get him a few reps
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: down in Tacoma, and once he proves I'm just too
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: good for this level, they'll find a way to get
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: him into the lineup every day, and it will come
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: at the sacrifice of whatever situation isn't performing right.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: And I think that's how they're going to treat this, as.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: Opposed to Emerson's in the miners until something obvious and
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: glaring occurs that creates a whole I don't think they're
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: going to approach.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 5: It that way.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: Well, no, And I wouldn't think that they would offer
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: him the contract they offered him if that's the approach
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: they were taking either. I mean, I don't think that
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: they would have chosen this timing to offer him this
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: eight year, ninety five million deal, ninety five million dollar
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: deal with a nine.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 6: Year option if they were like, he's probably gonna stay
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 6: in the miners this year, would be worried about anything.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: No that I mean, right now they don't have to
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: worry about starting his clock. Not that they worry about
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: that much anymore anyway, but right now, I mean there
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: is nothing prohibiting from them from There's no financial decision
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: that they could make that keeps them from activating coult
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: Emerson's career. I think what happened today and f is
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: for finances, will happen today with the cult Emerson. If
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: you're just hearing about this breaking news earlier this morning,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: the Mariners have signed young Emerson, twenty years old, to
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: an eight year, ninety five million dollar deal with a
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: ninth year option, and so they have kind of solved
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: the cult Emerson riddle for the next nine seasons. And
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: I think it's a great deal. Some people are panicking
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: the little because I think they remember Evan White and
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: they just feel an unproven guy getting a record number
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: of dollars when he has not seen a single Major
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: League baseball pitch.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: I think some people think that maybe this is a
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: little reckless from an organization that typically is not accused
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: of being reckless financial lea.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think they just all of a sudden be reckless, like, oh,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: you know what, we really like him, let's just what
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: the hell, let's just give it a shot.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: But I think it's.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: Actually a very good decision for the Mariners, and I
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: think it's a questionable decision by Emerson and his agent,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: to be quite honest, which is something that we can
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: get into here in a moment. But yes, eight years
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: ninety five million dollars up to nine years, one thirty
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: for Colt Emerson, so he's going to be a part
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: of this organization.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: He has a no.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: Trade clause, Yeah, that he wanted in there. I mean,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: this is a guy that loves being in this organization,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: sees how promising the future and the present look, and
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: is days away, weeks away from being activated onto this
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: major league roster and fighting for a World Series in.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: His age twenty one season.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: His rookie season as a major league baseball player, and
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: then we know we're going to have him for nine
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: years beyond that.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: So that's the story today.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: So you're right, that's another thing that doesn't get in
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: the way of this decision of when do we activate
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: Cold Emerson.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: They don't have to worry about the finance. They've already
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: agreed to the terms on the finances.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: So that's something that has always in the past stood
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: in the way of GMS activating the careers of young
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: top prospects.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: But we don't worry about that anymore.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: Either when he's ready, Yep, when they feel he's ready,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: they will find a spot for him to play every day.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: Otherwise they will not activate him.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, now let's talk about the finances, because I do
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: believe there's some hand ringing going on. I just think
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: this is spectacular for the Mariners. I think this is
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: a very Mariner's friendly deal, and I base that on
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: the fact that how much salaries are skyrocketing right now
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: in the sport. Plus, we also have a sport in
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: which man guys start getting to thirty and people start
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: wondering if they're on the decline.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: That was not the case.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: I grew up where twenty seven to thirty two was
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: the prime of a Major League Baseball player's career. That
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: was the sweet spot. Now it feels a little bit
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: more like it's twenty four to twenty eight. That feels
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: like the sweet spot that MLB teams are trying to
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: take advantage of. Well, most guys don't reach free agency
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: before twenty eight. You got to have six years in
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: the league. Bucky didn't get activated until age twenty nine,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: so you have to have six years in the league
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: before you can even hit free agency. Cold Emerson is
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: arriving to the majors early. If he gets called up
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: this year, there's a chance he could get called up
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: before his twenty first birthday.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: For goodness sake.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: So for him, I mean, that would put him on
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: track to be a free agent at age twenty six.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: And keep in mind, there's three years of arbitration that's
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: in there as well, so yes, league minimum, league minimum,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: league minimum. He still has signing bonus from being a
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: first round draft pick, money that he's sitting.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 6: On in the bank somewhere to sit on the money too.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: And minimum salary is still a good salary, yep. I'd
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: like to make minimum salary.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I take make half of minimum salary of a
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: major league baseball player.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: But then you get the three years of arbitration. And
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: now we're looking at arbitration numbers. I mean, Trek Scruball
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: just set their record for thirty two million dollars a year.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: It says last year, it's the third year, and they
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: always escalate. But when you think about twenty nineteen, Garrett
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: Cole set the record with thirteen and a half million
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: dollars in arbitration. Seven years later, we've almost tripled that
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: two two and a half times. Yeah, we're gone two
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: and a half times up from that, and it's only climbing.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, Juan Soto now makes sixty one million dollars
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: a year.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 6: Can you imagine?
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: I mean again, seven years ago, five years ago, Garrett
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: Cole I think was at the top at less than
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: forty and we're already up to sixty one for Sodo
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: and Otani will someday make more than that.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: I hear.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 6: It's not even making real money in a world.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: Of rainbows and unicorns and skittles.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe that's what I'll get paid him. Yeah, by
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 6: the time everything was deferred.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: So think about how much in seven years that that
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: has escalated almost two and a half times. Well, we
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: have cold Emerson locked up for nine If he would
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: have just accepted the normal, you know, the normal routine,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: he would be a free agent in six years. Arbitration
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: How why is it arbitration salary going to be in
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: that last year? Fifty?
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: Well, he just agreed to an eight year, ninety five
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: million dollars deal. I mean that's fifty Maybe in one
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: season he would have gotten in his sixty year in
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: the majors. If he turns out to be as good
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: as what people think he's going to be, and not
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: to mention, you get arbitration bump in year four, year five,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: and year six, and then you hit free agency at
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: twenty six and we're talking about guys making sixty million
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: dollars a year now in Major League Baseball? What's it
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: going to be six years from now ninety for a
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: player if Cold Emerson's as good as what we hear.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: So that's sacrificing a lot. That is sacrificing a lot
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: of future dollars just to make sure that I have.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 6: Money now and I don't done with this organization.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't blame him. Well, he's going to be
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: locked into this organization for six years no matter what.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but now he's got his no trade clause in
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: all his things that kind of keep him maybe make
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: him feel more secure.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: So I mean, look, I mean everybody's like wringing their
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: hands over how could we do this? We did this
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: with Evan White, that blew it up in our face.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: Let's just wasted money on the payroll that we had.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: I feel the exact I felt that way about Evan
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: back then, and again he wasn't even one of our
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: top prospects. But I don't feel that way about cold Emerson.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: If anything, I feel the other way around. I think
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: that he would have made up this money in no
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: time probably, and so for him to make this agreement
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: shows you. Number one, I want the comfort. I want
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: the security.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: That's first and foremost for me, for my family.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: I want the security first. And if I become a
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: free agent in twenty nine, that still puts me in
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: a good spot to get another big contract before my
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: career is over. Okay, so that's number one. But number two,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: I do think it speaks to I love this organization.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: I want to be a part of this organization, and
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: I will sign your contract because I guarantee you Scott
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: Boris wouldn't suggest that he does it. No, Scott Boris
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: was Cal's agent. Scott Boris did not want Kyl to
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: sign before he became a free agent. Can you imagine
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: the I told you so text that Kyle got from
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: Scott Boris.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: After this past season?
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 6: Oh gosh, I'm sure, But.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: You're making eighteen million dollars a year, Bud, you stuck
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: with me A catcher it in sixty home runs in
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: a year. Consider the best defensive player and best clubhouse leader.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: Arguably in the game, I could have gotten you one
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: of those sixty million dollar deals that are being thrown
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: around now. YEA he wants to be well, yes, yes,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: But as an agent, your job is to try to
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: look out in the best interest financially of your client.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: And I can appreciate somebody saying, hey, I'm gonna get
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: rich and I'm gonna be in an organization where I
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: want to be. Yeah, that's worth it for me.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: I love that mentality, no doubt about it. I mean,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: Bobashett has gotten booed already as a New York Met
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: and there was a little bit of joy that came
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: to my heart. I mean, it's completely unfair this first week.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: A lot of guys are struggling in the first week.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: A lot of guys that are better than Bobaschet can't
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: get out of their way in the first week of
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: the season. But he was getting booed by Game three
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: by New York Met fans, and he handled it brilliantly
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: afterwards in his response. But there was a little bit
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: of part of me that was like, you know what,
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: I think it's kind of funny because you left a
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: great situation with a great team and a fan base
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: that adored you, and you chase the money, and that's
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: what you get. You want to chase the money to
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: a big market and then with rowdy fans that don't
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: have any patients. Toronto would add.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: Patients for you all year long, all your law. You
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: got boot on your third day. It's a little bit
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: of justice because you chase the money. I love the
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: guy that isn't necessarily chasing the money, that can recognize
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: this is where I want to be, this is who
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: I want to play with. These are the guys that
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: I want to build my future with. And if it
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: cost me a little bit of money in the future,
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: so be it. I'm still rich. I'm happy. I hope
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: that he remains that way. But from a financial standpoint,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: probably was a mistake. Probably is a mistake. Maybe yeah.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 6: I think if Scott Boris was his agent, he would
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 6: have fired him.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, probably, Yeah.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: I think I don't think Scott likes guys that don't
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: listen to him. All right, coming up next the Seahawks
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