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Julia Molchanova on Escaping Jeffrey Epstein’s Cult-Like World (Part 2) (9/9/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're picking up where we
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  Speaker 1: left off with the Wall Street Journal article that was
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  Speaker 1: authored by Khadija Safdar. And the headline of this article?
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  Speaker 1: How one woman was caught in Epstein's cult and escaped.
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  Speaker 1: It was like a cult. Malkanova eventually moved to New
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  Speaker 1: York and started following Epstein's advice, hoping she'd break into design.
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  Speaker 1: But no fit education materialized. A spokeswoman for FIT said
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  Speaker 1: the university is continuing to investigate references to the school.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not the only person. We've heard about FIT
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  Speaker 1: from multiple people. I believe Joanna Schuberg told us about
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  Speaker 1: this as well. And I think we've heard about it
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  Speaker 1: from a couple of other women who said that this
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  Speaker 1: was the carrot that was dangled. And obviously, the vast
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  Speaker 1: majority of these women were strung along by Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: over the years. Over time, Epstein expected her to become
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  Speaker 1: an assistant, though there was never any real work, and
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  Speaker 1: his advice turned into a set of rules. She was
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  Speaker 1: supposed to thank him constantly, act happy, and be friendly
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  Speaker 1: to everyone. Well, those were the rules, right? Epstein had
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  Speaker 1: a very strict set of rules for his assistants, and
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  Speaker 1: I honestly don't think it's a stretch to call it
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  Speaker 1: a cult. And Jeffrey Epstein really knew how to manipulate
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  Speaker 1: the situation, and he knew how to tell these women
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  Speaker 1: exactly what they wanted to hear. And before they realized it,
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  Speaker 1: They were in too deep. It was like a cult,
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  Speaker 1: she said. Aside from coercing the women into sex acts
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  Speaker 1: on a regular basis, Epstein also expected the women to
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  Speaker 1: bring him other women, she and other victims have said.
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  Speaker 1: And that's where things get a bit thorny, right? Who
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  Speaker 1: was the trafficker, who was trafficked, who was coerced, and
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  Speaker 1: who was brought in on it? But you have to understand,
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  Speaker 1: that was all part of it, the confusion. So that
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  Speaker 1: later on down the road, when this conversation started happening,
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  Speaker 1: like it's happening now, he can say that they were
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  Speaker 1: all involved. Everybody was in on this, not just me.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody enriched themselves, even the women. They weren't being abused.
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  Speaker 1: And the sad truth is, there's a whole lot of
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  Speaker 1: people who bought that nonsense. You know, the people who
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  Speaker 1: call this a hoax, the people who attack the survivors,
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  Speaker 1: they bought it hook, line, and sinker. And Epstein knew
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  Speaker 1: they would. This man was a master of misdirection and
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  Speaker 1: narrative building. That's what he excelled in. Because she didn't
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  Speaker 1: bring anyone, Malkanova said, his anger intensified towards her, and
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  Speaker 1: he would constantly ask what she was doing to make
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  Speaker 1: herself useful. She said on a few occasions, he sent
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  Speaker 1: her to a room in his home to stay in
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  Speaker 1: isolation for multiple days. Oh, you're grounded. A grown-ass woman.
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  Speaker 1: Go to your room. Don't come out. Say what now?
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  Speaker 1: Why not? Well, you wouldn't bring me other girls to molest.
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  Speaker 1: You wouldn't feed the beast. So you have to be punished.
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  Speaker 1: Go to your room. What a sick, disgusting, vile human being.
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  Speaker 1: And I use that word loosely. And if anybody ever
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  Speaker 1: deserved a trip to a volcano and get shoved out
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  Speaker 1: of the helicopter above that active volcano, it's Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: Malkinova said Epstein kept tabs on her spending. She remembers
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  Speaker 1: receiving less than $ 3, 000 a month from him, but said
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  Speaker 1: the amount fluctuated. She said he dictated what she wore,
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  Speaker 1: how long her hair would be, what doctors she visited,
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  Speaker 1: and whom she spent time with. Documents show that Epstein
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  Speaker 1: arranged for Malkinova and another woman to marry one another
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  Speaker 1: around 2013, a tactic the journal has reported he used
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  Speaker 1: with other women too. Immigration fraud. That's what they were doing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you have to really have your head in
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  Speaker 1: the sand not to understand what was going on here
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to immigration. It was one of Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's most potent weapons. And he also dangled it As
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  Speaker 1: a benefit for these women, oh, you want to come
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  Speaker 1: to America? I got you. I got the hookup. I
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  Speaker 1: got a scam. I got a hustle. We'll say that
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  Speaker 1: you're married to so-and-so. You'll come to America. That'll be that.
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  Speaker 1: And if it wasn't for Virginia and her going absolutely
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  Speaker 1: scorched earth on Jeffrey Epstein and his bitch-ass associates, hardly
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  Speaker 1: any of this would be in the public eye. And
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  Speaker 1: I think people should keep that in mind and remember that. Look,
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  Speaker 1: Virginia wasn't perfect. None of us are. but I don't
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  Speaker 1: think anybody who's serious about anything is ever going to
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  Speaker 1: question her courage. In 2014, Epstein's lawyer, Darren Indyke, helped
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  Speaker 1: form a company registered under her name called JSC Interiors.
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  Speaker 1: She said Epstein passed it off as a way to
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  Speaker 1: help her launch a design business. She ran a couple
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  Speaker 1: of design-related errands, like arranging flowers, and then Epstein used
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  Speaker 1: an account associated with the company to move money and
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  Speaker 1: make transactions without her knowledge, she said. Oh yeah, a
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  Speaker 1: little money laundering here, Little money laundering there. Little malfeasance.
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  Speaker 1: All good. Just a regular morning for Jeffrey Epstein. But
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  Speaker 1: no crimes were committed, folks. Nothing to see here. Unless
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  Speaker 1: you have videos, we don't want to hear it. I
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  Speaker 1: guess that's where we are. No crime can be committed
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  Speaker 1: unless there's a video. And nobody can be held responsible
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  Speaker 1: for their crimes either, obviously. Just say you're a little
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  Speaker 1: crazy and fuck it. You're all good. I still have
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  Speaker 1: so many questions about what the company was. Because no
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  Speaker 1: one ever explained it to me and I wasn't allowed
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  Speaker 1: to ask questions, she said. It made me super scared
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  Speaker 1: because I couldn't understand what I was responsible for. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't the point, though. The idea is she was
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  Speaker 1: a beard. She was a front man or front woman
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  Speaker 1: for whatever bullshit Epstein was up to. Just another way
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  Speaker 1: for him to funnel funds. So my question is, did
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  Speaker 1: any of Leon Black's money find its way into any
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  Speaker 1: of these accounts for these girls? And if it did, congratulations,
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  Speaker 1: Leon Black. You're part of the conspiracy. Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't charge him with Rico. Silly me. That's only
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  Speaker 1: for Italian people, I guess. Malkanova said she only found
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  Speaker 1: out years later and that Epstein's activities in her name
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  Speaker 1: went beyond Bank of America, including the spending she discovered
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  Speaker 1: from the credit monitoring app and a furniture order for
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  Speaker 1: nearly $ 40, 000 that she recently found in the Justice Department files.
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  Speaker 1: In a statement, attorneys Rindyke and Epstein Accountant Richard Kahn
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  Speaker 1: said Malkinova never informed them she was a victim of
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  Speaker 1: abuse or trafficking. Julia appeared to be one of Epstein's
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  Speaker 1: assistants working through an LLC that Epstein set up for
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  Speaker 1: interior design purposes, the statement said. Like, they don't even
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  Speaker 1: believe that, okay? That's the cover. The fact that we're
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  Speaker 1: letting them get away with that is bananas. Indykin Kahn
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  Speaker 1: should have been charged with RICO a decade ago. But
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  Speaker 1: somehow they're still protected. Somehow they're still running the estate.
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  Speaker 1: And somehow they're still going to benefit from whatever's left
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  Speaker 1: over in the estate. Does anybody else see a problem here?
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  Speaker 1: Because as far as I'm concerned, these two dudes should
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  Speaker 1: not get one single penny. And instead, they should be
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  Speaker 1: facing indictment. Both Kahn and Indyke recently told Congress they
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  Speaker 1: didn't facilitate or know about Epstein's criminal history. Malkinova said
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's control extended to other parts of her life, and
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  Speaker 1: when she tried to date other men, he dictated what
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  Speaker 1: she wrote to them and demanded a full account of
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  Speaker 1: everything that passed between them. Of course. Gotta get that intel, right?
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  Speaker 1: Gotta get that compromise. That was part of it, too.
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  Speaker 1: The design work never materialized. Instead, Epstein sent her to
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  Speaker 1: Faith Cates Modeling Agency Next Management for a job interview.
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  Speaker 1: In May of 2015, Cates told Epstein that Malkinova said
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  Speaker 1: she didn't want to sit at a desk all day
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  Speaker 1: and had never worked in an office. Epstein berated Malkinova
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  Speaker 1: for not asking for a front desk job. You told
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  Speaker 1: them you were going to school and didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: work at a desk, he wrote to her in an email.
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  Speaker 1: I am angry. God forbid. God forbid I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to go work for Faith fucking Cates, sit at a
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  Speaker 1: desk all day, and do God knows what. In a statement,
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  Speaker 1: Next Management said it had never had a relationship with Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: Faith Cates' multi-decade long personal relationship with Epstein was completely
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  Speaker 1: and absolutely unknown to Next Management and its top executives.
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  Speaker 1: It said, I have my doubts about that. So nobody
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  Speaker 1: had any idea? Nobody ever said, hey Faith, what's the
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  Speaker 1: deal with that Jeffrey Epstein guy? Why are you spending
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  Speaker 1: so much time with him? Nobody ever said that? Nobody ever, huh?
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  Speaker 1: These people, they truly believe you're stupid. Cates didn't respond
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  Speaker 1: to requests for comment. After the Justice Department released some
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  Speaker 1: of her correspondence with Epstein, Kate said in late 2025
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  Speaker 1: that she was retiring from Next Management. Oh, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: she is. God forbid she has to answer questions, right?
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  Speaker 1: Now she can say, look, I have no comment. I
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  Speaker 1: don't work for Next Management. Blah, blah, blah. But what
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  Speaker 1: those emails reveal is a very, very tight relationship. And
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  Speaker 1: my question is, what did Faith Cates know? And when
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  Speaker 1: did she know it? Epstein also placed Malkinova in internships
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  Speaker 1: arranged by his friends, including a stretch she describes interning
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  Speaker 1: for the publicist Peggy Siegel in 2016. Malkinova said she
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  Speaker 1: felt out of place, held back by her limited English.
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  Speaker 1: If he really wanted to help, he would have sent
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  Speaker 1: me to learn English, she said. Instead, it was all
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of nonsense. Siegel didn't respond to requests for comment.
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  Speaker 1: She previously told the journal that she was unaware of
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's nefarious behavior and it was a mistake to associate
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  Speaker 1: with him. I had no idea. What do you mean
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was a sick degenerate? Nobody ever told me
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  Speaker 1: that he was a derelict. Those years took a toll
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  Speaker 1: on Malkanova's body and her mind. As her weight fluctuated,
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  Speaker 1: Epstein criticized her and called her fat. At her lowest,
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  Speaker 1: Malkanova said, She was thinking about suicide, and Epstein didn't
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  Speaker 1: let her see a therapist. Her mental health declined further,
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  Speaker 1: she said, after a tabloid in 2016 ran photos of
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  Speaker 1: her with Epstein. I remember thinking that I'm trapped forever,
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  Speaker 1: and my life is over. Yikes. Imagine feeling like that,
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  Speaker 1: like you have nowhere to go, no one to help you,
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  Speaker 1: and nobody's listening. I can't even imagine. And thankfully, that's
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  Speaker 1: something that I'll never have to experience. But does that
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  Speaker 1: mean I shouldn't have empathy for people that did or do?
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  Speaker 1: And that goes for anyone who's involved in human bondage,
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  Speaker 1: whether that's male, female, child, whatever, and whether that's sexual
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  Speaker 1: or physical labor or whatever it might be. I can't
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  Speaker 1: believe I need to say this, but in the year 2026,
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  Speaker 1: slavery shouldn't be a thing. In 2017, Epstein's lawyer handled
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  Speaker 1: the paperwork for her to get divorced, and she describes
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  Speaker 1: the years after that as an effort to just get out.
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  Speaker 1: She had a serious boyfriend that she hoped she could
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  Speaker 1: marry to escape Epstein, but Epstein kept summoning her back,
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  Speaker 1: and the abuse continued. She didn't tell her boyfriend what
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  Speaker 1: was happening, and they eventually broke up. Who wants to
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  Speaker 1: tell their boyfriend? Hey, look, this guy makes me come
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  Speaker 1: over and do all kinds of unseemly things. Who's telling
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  Speaker 1: their boyfriend that? Now, maybe if it's somebody you've been
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  Speaker 1: with for quite some time, but some guy that you're
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  Speaker 1: trying to build a life with, Nobody wants to say that.
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  Speaker 1: They don't want to be judged and looked at like
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  Speaker 1: they're less than. In early 2019, Malkanova finally confided in
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  Speaker 1: a friend about how ensnared she was in Epstein's web
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  Speaker 1: and that person gave her a roadmap for getting out.
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  Speaker 1: It led her to send emails that March to Epstein's
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  Speaker 1: bookkeeper asking why the credit card she didn't recognize were
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  Speaker 1: showing up on her credit report. The bookkeeper responded that
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  Speaker 1: the report was showing the balance and of Epstein's entire
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  Speaker 1: American Express account, and that she would have Malkinova removed
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  Speaker 1: from the account. Malkinova told Kahn, the accountant, that she
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  Speaker 1: wanted to see her tax returns, and that she wanted
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  Speaker 1: to be removed from JSC Interiors. Kahn wrote back that
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  Speaker 1: since she was uncomfortable, she could hire another accountant to
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  Speaker 1: handle her returns, and that he would send paperwork she
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  Speaker 1: could sign to exit JSC Interiors. Yeah, God forbid Kahn
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  Speaker 1: does the right thing. Well, well, we'll find somebody else
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  Speaker 1: for you since you don't trust me. Yeah, bitch, I
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  Speaker 1: don't trust you because your boss has been molesting me
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  Speaker 1: and abusing me, you dumb fuck. What do you mean
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  Speaker 1: I don't trust you? Goddamn right I don't trust you.
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  Speaker 1: Around that same time, she sent an email confronting Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: He invited her to Palm Beach, but she didn't go.
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  Speaker 1: I thought for sure at that moment someone would find
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  Speaker 1: me on the bottom of his pool if I did go,
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  Speaker 1: she said. Leslie Groff, Epstein's longtime assistant, texted her, trying
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  Speaker 1: to get her to call Epstein. She also began getting
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  Speaker 1: calls from another young woman in Epstein's orbit. Despite the outreach,
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  Speaker 1: she never went back. In a statement, lawyers for Groff
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  Speaker 1: said she performed administrative tasks for Epstein and had no
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  Speaker 1: knowledge of Epstein's crimes while she was working for him.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe that, and I've told you that from
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  Speaker 1: the jump. I think Leslie Groff is lying. Now look,
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  Speaker 1: I can't prove that. I'm not going to sit here
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  Speaker 1: and tell you she was abusing people. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe her story. Not for a minute. Long before her escape,
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  Speaker 1: Malkinova gave Epstein the codename Mishka, a Russian term that
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  Speaker 1: translates loosely as little bear, from a popular song that
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  Speaker 1: describes a bear who was a criminal. In June 2019,
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  Speaker 1: she made a painting depicting the bear being arrested and decapitated.
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  Speaker 1: She never imagined that on July 6, Epstein would be arrested,
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  Speaker 1: and that a few weeks later, he would be found dead.
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  Speaker 1: And Julia's story continues. is just one of many. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that as we move forward and we see
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  Speaker 1: more people like Julia telling their story, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: open up the floodgates and there's going to be other
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  Speaker 1: people that step up and tell us just how deep
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  Speaker 1: their abuse went at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein. And
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  Speaker 1: like usual, we'll be here for every single step and
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  Speaker 1: every single story as we continue to swim through the
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  Speaker 1: muck looking for that clarity. All the information that goes
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