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College Football Playoff Quarterfinals Preview | First Round Recap, Future of the CFP, and CFP Quarterfinal Picks Against the Spread · The Extra Point

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  What's up y'all, you're listening to the Extra Point
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  College football podcast. I'm your host Jacob Carnes,
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  joined as always by my Co host Daniel Hammock.
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  Daniel is we're both festive. You know, I've got a red and
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  green hat on just for the Rose Bowl.
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  You're wearing your red and green hat for Christmas
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  recording this December 23rd. So Merry Christmas everybody,
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  whenever you're listening to this.
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  But on this episode, we're going to recap our first round College
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  Football Playoff matchups. We'll talk about there.
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  There was a lot of discourse over the weekend of what changes
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  need to be made because change is inevitably coming.
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  I don't think anyone likes the results of having two blowouts
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  in first round games. We'll talk about that kind of
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  the feature of the playoff future of college football.
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  Where do we go from here? And then of course, we've now
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  got our quarterfinal games and matchups, four games.
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  We'll pick them against the spread.
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  So we'll give you our winners, but also picks against the
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  spread. Daniel, we three and one last
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  week should have been 4. Now we can we can talk about
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  that as we get to our first round recap here.
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  But Daniel, Merry Christmas. Happy to have some some more
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  football on the horizon. Although it is winding down, we
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  are going to crown a champion here within the next few weeks.
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  So excited to talk about these first round matchups.
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  Daniel. We had the we had the stand
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  alone game on Friday of Alabama and Oklahoma.
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  That was a great stand alone game.
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  Small thing I did here before the game, Alabama players
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  talking about the lights in Norman and how they're different
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  and it messed with them last time.
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  And I saw past the excuses and watching it was really
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  interesting because in Norman they've only got 4 light poles
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  in the four corners, which most stadiums, if you look, most
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  stadiums have lights running the length of the sideline like it's
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  more than just four places. So the lighting did seem dark
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  and the lighting is unique there.
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  So there was something I had an eye on that I thought was
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  interesting about the game. The other interesting part was
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  that Oklahoma now becomes the first team in college football
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  to blow 217 point leads in the playoff.
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  Bama comes back, wins by 10. Credit to Bama, man, huge win to
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  come back from. And the surprising thing for me
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  was they flipped the script from the first matchup we talked
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  about in our pick that the Alabama had out came to
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  Oklahoma. Like they had doubled him up in
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  yardage in the first matchup, Just had a crazy turnover game.
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  And Dang, that was kind of the opposite.
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  Bama won the way that Oklahoma won the first time.
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  Now post game win expectancy was way different.
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  Alabama actually had like an 85% post game win expectancy but
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  didn't not gain him, didn't do anything exceptionally well, but
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  had the turnover luck, which I think it is.
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  Flipped the other way and have a 10 point win and it came back
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  from a 10 point deficit. So 27 point square, excuse me, a
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  17 point deficit, a 27 point swing there.
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  Pretty incredible and really impressive win from Alabama on
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  the road. Yeah, I mean, Alabama, they did
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  what they needed to do in this game.
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  Oklahoma, you know, you mentioned they kind of switch
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  things up. I mean, Oklahoma's kicker, you
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  know the the guy with the short shorts, he missed his first
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  field goal since the first game of the year, so.
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  Crazy. Definitely some things that
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  went, I guess you could say uncharacteristic for Oklahoma.
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  John Material actually looked right.
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  You know, obviously that getting things going, you know,
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  obviously they were talking about before the game he had the
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  tape removed from his hand for the first time since the injury.
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  But yeah, that was definitely a game where early on we started
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  to get some texts from people saying no, hey, y'all picked
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  Alabama. And I I was in the sense that,
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  you know, like, oh man, I didn't realize Oklahoma was going to
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  come out and play like this, you know, but very quickly, I mean,
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  you know, within the first half, they came back.
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  So it wasn't even something where you had to count on like a
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  second-half or fourth quarter come back.
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  It was like, Oh no, it's even at halftime.
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  And very confidently at halftime, I could say I was
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  looking at it thinking, I mean, we've seen these teams.
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  I know how the game is going to play out and in no disrespect,
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  Oklahoma, but it's in the pedigree, like the playoff
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  pedigree so far. Alabama is a team that's not
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  going to go away. They've been that way in the
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  playoff era. I'm going to give them credit
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  all the way back to, you know, 20/14/2015 as well.
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  All of those years, even with, you know, Saban versus De Boer,
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  De Boer is that way as well. Just as a coach, even when he
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  was at, you know, his previous stops.
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  Oklahoma, you know, and I know it's been multiple head coaches,
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  but they've they're over the playoff.
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  You know, you have to start thinking those things and if I'm
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  Oklahoma, I I would be upset that I got the draw of Alabama
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  getting a rematch with them for my home game.
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  But it is what it is. You got to win the game.
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  They got up early. I agree with you this one.
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  I'm glad this was the stand alone of the three.
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  I'm glad this was the Friday night game.
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  Not that the any of them are competing with one another
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  because you have each of them by themselves.
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  But I feel like the Friday night just kind of had all eyes on it
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  because there's nothing else going on.
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  So you can kind of settle in and it was a cool, it was a fun
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  feeling. But yeah, dude, you mentioned we
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  went three and one got, you know, you get to the playoffs,
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  you got to have your best is expected in the playoffs and
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  we're given our best. It should have been four and oh.
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  But it should have. Been three and three and you
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  can't go four and oh without going three and oh first.
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  And that's what we did. And it was very, it was very
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  close to being four and oh. I, I want to shout out our
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  pick'em group, which you can still join because ESPN will let
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  you recreate a bracket. So if you have a bracket and you
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  want to join our ESPN group, there is a link in the bio to
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  join. We got 26 people in there having
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  a good time, I believe. Let's see how many 12 people
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  still perfect, including you and I in the first four games so.
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  There you go. Join us there.
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  Links down below or you can search the extra point on ESPN's
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  bracket College Football Playoff Bracket Challenge.
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  So join us there. Yeah, you and I still perfect
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  for no straight up. I mean, let's go.
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  Let's start with the big game first and we'll we'll get to our
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  our loss on the picks. Texas A&M beats Miami.
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  Excuse me, Miami beats Texas A&M. 2:50 Yeah.
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  In a rock fight of a game. I walk away, Daniel.
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  I'll talk about winners first. Really impressed with Miami's
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  defense. It's seeming #1 Texas A&M has a
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  big and physical offensive line, big and physical run game.
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  And the way Miami shut that down throughout the game was really
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  impressive. And then on the other side, we
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  knew Miami was supposed to have a very good offensive line.
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  And they looked that way really early in the season.
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  And it looked kind of, you know, in the middle of the season and
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  looked strong again at the end. They showed up.
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  I think Bud Elliott is tweeted in the middle of the game that I
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  mean, if Miami just keeps running it between the tackles,
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  one of these is going to break. Like they're so close to just
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  breaking one of these. And then they started having
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  these runs pop for 10/12/15. And they had that long one, I
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  forget how long it was toward the end to set up the go at the
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  go ahead touchdown with Fletcher.
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  And what an unbelievable lead blocker he was on the touchdown
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  as well. With with with Fletcher there.
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  They get the one touchdown they needed to win the game.
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  They go on the road, they hold Texas A&M to three really,
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  really impressive win. This is where Daniel, and this
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  is not just me. It's hard out to be a prisoner
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  at the moment watching these games.
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  We're texting in our group chat and I'm thinking like, gosh, can
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  Alabama beat Indiana? Can can Miami go and beat Ohio
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  State? And I know their offense didn't
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  look spectacular, but look, 30 mile an hour winds and the way
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  their defense play. And I'm, you know, we'll get
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  into those games, but hard not to be present at the moment when
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  you watch a really impressive Rd. win, which did not happen
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  last year in the playoff. All four home teams won last
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  year in the first round. So now the first two games the
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  team on the road goes in and wins.
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  I just walked away impressed with Miami, despite the lack of
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  offensive production in the way they won that I felt like they
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  played Texas A&M's game and beat them at it and which was on the
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  road with everything on the line.
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  I was impressed by that. Yeah, and these are the two coin
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  flip games, you know, the other two we're, you know, obviously
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  they're much more. You're just betting against the
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  spread more or less rather than who's going to win.
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  So this one though, Jacob, you're absolutely right.
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  I mean, Fletcher carries 172 yards, No mathematician, but
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  that's 10 yards of carry. So he was pounding the rock.
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  And this is Jacob. This is why we picked Miami said
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  they have multiple ways they can win this game.
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  And when you took the pass game away because of all the crazy
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  wins and you know, the you know, the field goals were a toss up.
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  It's like, OK, well, they can exist in this rock fight of a
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  game. They can play defense, they can
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  run the ball, they can play field position and they can just
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  keep doing it and doing it. And then eventually it broke.
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  Now I've never it's, it feels almost like a maybe an Iowa,
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  Iowa State kind of a game or something where it's like the
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  end of the game. A single touchdown feels like it
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  has iced the game. There's, you know, everybody
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  runs two-minute, there's a minute 40 left or whatever for
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  Texas A&M to go down. But it felt like this might as
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  well have been 10 seconds left and they're going to be chucking
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  it for the end zone. That's kind of the feeling I had
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  after Miami punched it in finally.
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  But yeah, I I agree. I come impressed with the
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  defense. I think that both teams, maybe I
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  don't want to say they pulled punches, but I think they both
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  kind of understood the game and tried to play a different game.
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  This was played in a Dome. I think you see a completely
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  different game than, you know, on campus with the wind and all
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  this kind of, you know, just to create, you know, elements of
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  the game. I still think Miami would have
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  won the other way, but I think you would have seen a higher
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  scoring game. Like I didn't realize the wind
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  was as bad. My father-in-law leans over
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  before the game kicks off and says, Hey, what score
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  prediction? I'm, I am not actually a fan of
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  giving score predictions as much as I talk about college
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  football. I, you know, I want to just, I
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  don't want to shift my feeling on the game like I, I don't want
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  it to, you know, and tarnish how I'm, I'm feeling while I'm
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  watching the game. But right before the game, he
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  said that. So I was like, you know what,
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  what do I think? And the words that came out of
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  mouth, mouth was, I think 2721 Miami.
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  And boy, you know, I was like and then.
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  Long away from that. He left, he left my house at
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  halftime and I said, yeah, we're going to see it.
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  It's going to be a 10 to 3 game. And I was right on that.
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  You know, I just got to see the first half though.
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  So that's cheating. But yeah, that was a some people
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  watch it, say it was boring. Yeah, it's boring if you're not
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  living and dying on each play. It's a defensive matchup.
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  It's a field position game. You can see the anguish in the
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  eyes of the fans. And I don't know about you,
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  Jacob, but I know that feeling. And so I'm sitting there
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  watching them watch this game and get fired up for their team,
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  but also just be so nervous. I mean, there's nothing better
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  than on campus college football. I mean, at that point, see, and
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  I love it because dude, if it feels like every play matters,
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  it's like, man, if one of us scores, so it's like you have
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  one. It's like watching the NBA
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  Finals game and like every possession counts.
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  It's the fourth quarter and you're just watching every time
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  they bring up the floor. If they get if it goes out of
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  bounds, it's like the biggest deal ever.
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  It's a turnover, you know, so the.
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  Turnover is, yeah. So I have one text A&M thing to
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  say. Marcel Reed, he this is his
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  third year of eligibility. He's eligible to come back next
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  year. Is Texas saying them look for
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  another quarterback? I mean, this is a guy who they
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  said Heisman contender earlier in the year and their two
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  biggest games, Daniel, he's thrown what, 5 interceptions,
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  something like that this year. He threw 2 in this game.
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  No touchdowns, 25 of 39. But for 2:30, seven, 6.1 yards
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  per attempt. Ran the ball for 1.8 yards per
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  attempt. I mean, at the end, it was just,
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  I mean, we texted our group chat, our friend Hunter, It was
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  like Reed's going to throw a pick on the last drive.
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  And it's exactly what happened. With as many quarterbacks that
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  are available and as good as Texas A&M's team was this year
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  and as high as their expectations are and as much as
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  they're investing into this program, I think they look
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  elsewhere. And I'll say this to this is
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  bigger conversation, but I was surprised by how low DJ Lagway
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  was rated as far as the quarterbacks that are available
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  in the transfer portal. Don't think he's in the top 8
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  which is crazy. Yeah.
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  I think, I think A&M looks at Lagway.
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  I, I have no sources. I just he's from.
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  Texas so that's a you know, I think he does find his way back.
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  I could see him finding his way back.
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  I would be and I agree with you read.
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  I think the fact that they had all of last year due to injury
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  where he was the starter and then he had this year where it
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  was his essentially his show, his offense.
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  I say all of last year he had half of last year where they
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  finally settled on him. And then this year he had the
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  full season. I think you've you've given him
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  his chance to do it and in the biggest games he's showing you
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  he can't. I mean, Texas A&M can go get
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  somebody that that's if it was a school that was like, yeah, I
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  just don't know if we're going to be able to attract somebody
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  who's actually better if there's better guys out there.
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  You're already going to be changing offensive coordinators
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  because Colin Klein's leaving. Why don't you bring a new guy in
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  and just have it be an A fresh new offense?
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  If Reed wants to stay and compete, dude, let him stay and
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  compete. He's a good player.
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  And then, you know, if he beats him out, great.
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  But yeah, I I think Lagway is a way to go.
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  There's some other guys that are entering the portal that could
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  definitely be an improvement. Tough way for texting him to end
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  their season again. The drought continues.
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  Was it 1937 since their national championship?
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  So they're the one everybody's talking about.
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  But Miami marches on, and they get the prize of playing Ohio
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  State. Get the prize of playing Ohio
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  State Daniel two more games. Ole Miss beats 2 lane, 4110.
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  First scores 4510 and then Oregon 5134.
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  They lose the cover. But Daniel at one point in this
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  game had 20. Oregon had 21 plays and had
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  scored I think 35 points, 34 points.
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  Yeah, because then it's the extra point.
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  I mean, this is where EPA comes in, Daniel, of like, what EPA
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  have you added? And it's like every time they
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  snap the ball they are at. It was like they're adding at
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  one point in the game. It was like every time they
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  snapped the ball, it's like they're adding 1.25 points to
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  the scoreboard, like every time they took a snap.
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  That's a video game and that's like if you put the video game
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  on freshman, you can't do that on Heisman.
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  And you're just running it. It looked like they were just
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  running go routes and he's just like Hut, wait a second, wait a
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  second, Chuck it. 60 yard touchdown.
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  OK, let's try that again next drive like it it was like 18
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  yards of play at one point. So the fact that we lost that
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  cover, it's. Frustrating.
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  It's infuriating. I'll say this.
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  So as far as that game is concerned, you, you know, we
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  both kind of called it out. You know, I think you're going
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  to see a big a big statement from Oregon.
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  That's exactly what you got. We were still right, all of that
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  stuff, still the one field goal and this whole game is
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  different. So as far as our pick being
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  correct or not, I do. I just want to shout out the
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  Twitter for both James Madison, Oregon.
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  This was possibly the most fun I've had as a complete third
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  party just watching 2 teams tweeted each other at trash talk
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  leading up to this game. Both of these teams should be
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  very proud of their fan bases. Phenomenal job.
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  I think very classy. And yeah, I think that this was
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  a good, you know, send off for, you know, Oregon and being able
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  to win that game and go to the next round.
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  They were able to do it comfortably.
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  I think you're going to see both of them and Ole Miss were able
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  to rest guys because they got up to big leads.
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  That may make a difference because I also obviously Alabama
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  and Miami both actually have maybe the the two toughest
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  teams. They've got the one and two
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  seeds they're playing. So definitely tough matchups in
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  the second round for those teams.
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  But yeah, Oregon, great job. James Madison.
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  I saw a tweet which I thought was funny.
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  I think I shared it to our group, James Madison, as soon as
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  Oregon's second string and third string guys were in and they
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  share the clip of the Get the Gap video from the 2019 LSUI.
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  Just thought that was hilarious because it's like all the sudden
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  they weren't dropping any passes.
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  Everybody was open and they were playing loose, but it was too
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  late. They were just, they were after
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  the cover, clearly so. Clearly, Yeah, I that was a
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  frustrating loss. Yeah, both those games were
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  blowouts. I don't have a lot to add.
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  Both those teams did exactly what they should have.
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  The spreads were not big enough. Well, Oregon could have named
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  their score. Oregon could have scored 100 in
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  that game if they wanted to. Clearly took the foot off the
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  gas, Daniel. That sparked a lot of
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  conversation about. There's one side saying this is
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  a joke. And look, someone who I followed
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  for a long time and I think is one of the smartest people in
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  the space is Bud Elliott. I think he's very smart.
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  I think he's very intelligent. He's a statner, which I love.
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  He knows ball. He's in recruiting, like, I feel
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  like he knows the sport. Extremely well.
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  He came up with blue chip ratio he's and we love that.
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  He, he, he's a ball knower, all right, but Elliott's the best.
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  I was annoyed and fans were annoyed by some of the discourse
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  he's had about just how maybe for two weeks to talk about how,
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  how much of a joke this is. I agree.
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  My point was the people that fought for expansion, this was
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  always a part of it was G6 inclusion.
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  This was always a part of it. And I had someone say, oh, well,
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  you know, not what you know, it was like, well, before it was 5
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  automatic qualifiers. I was like, yeah, that was when
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  they were like, oh, there's, you know, there used to be 5 Power 5
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  conferences and there's your five qualifiers.
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  I was like, yeah, the, the rule was 6 before we only had four
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  power conferences. You know, G5 inclusion was
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  always a part of it, which I'm fine with because this is what,
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  this is what you asked for. You know, I mean, this, this is
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  what you get. And the reason for it is, look,
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  they're going to get sued if they don't include the group of
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  five. This is a bigger system issue
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  which which is we have to stop pretending that all of FBS plays
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  the same sport because everyone's comeback is no there.
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  You know this isn't a different football they're all FBS.
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  I'm like yes, that's that exactly that is the problem that
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  the problem is that we pretend that 136 teams play the same
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  sport. But here's the thing.
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  Bud was right. It is a safety issue.
• 18:43
  These players names Madison like they can practice all they want
• 18:48
  or against threes would smoke them they'd smoke them like you.
• 18:51
  You cannot replicate that size and speed in practice.
• 18:54
  You can't. I don't know.
• 18:56
  To me, Daniel, the biggest thing with the discourse to me is, is
• 18:59
  that there's a lot of problems of college football right now,
• 19:02
  despite the fact that it's probably the most popular it's
• 19:05
  ever been. So we better get the right
• 19:07
  people making decisions to fix it quickly before they lose this
• 19:11
  window of opportunity. I'm glad the sport's popular.
• 19:14
  Our podcast has grown this year as a result of it.
• 19:16
  That's fun. I'm glad the sport is popular.
• 19:19
  That brings more eyeballs into the sport that we love.
• 19:22
  What I don't want that to mean is that it changes that it
• 19:25
  doesn't look anything like what we love about it.
• 19:27
  And I think there are bigger changes that need to be made
• 19:29
  besides the playoff. Do I think the G5 these they're
• 19:32
  in playoff? Absolutely.
• 19:34
  I do. I think that is the solution.
• 19:36
  And I mean we we probably will do a whole podcast episode on
• 19:39
  what needs to change and our solution and the whole thing.
• 19:42
  There's been a lot of solutions on social media this weekend,
• 19:44
  but my biggest take on it, Daniel, is that there are things
• 19:48
  that need to change, like the college football schedule before
• 19:51
  we change the playoff. Like the and I think that you
• 19:54
  have to answer the question before we have a conversation
• 19:56
  about this is what like what is the purpose of a playoff?
• 19:59
  I think whenever you answer that question for me, I can then
• 20:02
  guide our conversation as to like where it needs to go
• 20:05
  because my answer to that question, Daniel, is I think the
• 20:09
  purpose of a playoff is to crown a national champion.
• 20:13
  And if that is the case, then again, that's going to inform
• 20:15
  what I want in a playoff. I want only the best teams.
• 20:19
  James Madison was not one of the best teams in college football
• 20:21
  this year. And I also think that means that
• 20:23
  I think 12's too many Jeannie's not going back in the bottle.
• 20:26
  We're not going less than 12, so I'm not going to waste time
• 20:29
  talking about that. But I don't think there have
• 20:32
  ever been, and there will never be 12 teams that are good enough
• 20:36
  or deserving enough either or to compete for a national
• 20:40
  championship, which is what I think the purpose of a playoff
• 20:43
  should be at the end of the season.
• 20:46
  If you disagree on what you think of what the purpose of a
• 20:49
  playoff is, then you probably disagree with me about format
• 20:52
  that that's where I start with before we go anywhere, what's
• 20:55
  the purpose of the playoff? Is it to crown the best team in
• 20:57
  the sport or is it something else?
• 20:59
  And that's where we probably disagree at it at the core.
• 21:02
  I had someone on Twitter to say to me, Daniel, like I think the
• 21:04
  playoffs, the greatest thing to happen in the sport in my
• 21:06
  lifetime. I'm like, that's fine.
• 21:07
  We're just going to have to disagree there because I think
• 21:09
  the best part of the sport is teams beating their rivals in
• 21:13
  October and November and September.
• 21:16
  And completely changing the fabric of their season.
• 21:20
  Exactly, and the pride you get from that, that's where I'm
• 21:22
  like, that's fine if you love the playoff.
• 21:23
  We're just going to have to disagree there.
• 21:25
  I think the playoff is nice. I love these games.
• 21:27
  I love that there's big games. I wish they were on campus this
• 21:29
  weekend. That's an easy change to me is
• 21:31
  the top 4 seeds should get the benefit of hosting a playoff
• 21:34
  game. The the atmospheres this
• 21:35
  weekend, all four were unbelievable.
• 21:38
  All four teams did an incredible job creating just an it's the
• 21:42
  best thing about the sport of games on campus.
• 21:44
  To me, a benefit of getting a top four seed should be a buy
• 21:47
  and a home playoff game. I'm McDaniel this weekend.
• 21:50
  Imagine Ohio State hosting Miami and the standalone game and at
• 21:55
  night, Buckeye fans at night. All right, you get a night game
• 21:59
  with Miami coming into town. Texas Tech hosts Oregon in
• 22:03
  Lubbock, amazing. Indiana hosting Alabama, Indiana
• 22:06
  hosting Alabama, very cool with Indiana being the higher seed.
• 22:09
  We're going to get to the game. Georgia hosting Ole Miss.
• 22:13
  We've seen this, but, you know, Indiana, Texas Tech, Ohio State
• 22:17
  and Georgia hosting playoff games will be amazing.
• 22:18
  That, to me, is the easiest change without getting into the
• 22:21
  changes in the sport that I'd love to see for even next
• 22:23
  season. Yeah, I mean, a lot, a lot of
• 22:26
  discourse this weekend. I thought, you know, it's always
• 22:28
  fun. This is a This is a feature not
• 22:31
  about your college football is debating about what should
• 22:33
  change and rankings and it gets people talking, which is.
• 22:36
  It's been part of, it's widely been one of the only subject of
• 22:40
  sports out there. You know, you've got all the pro
• 22:42
  sports have their playoffs, they've got their professionals,
• 22:45
  they've got their divisions and they've got equality and player
• 22:49
  disbursement for the most part, salary cap or whatever, you
• 22:53
  know, luxury tax, which isn't really fair in the base in Major
• 22:58
  League Baseball. But you know, you have a
• 23:00
  standardization. So that's obviously what's got
• 23:02
  to be done because all of these, like you said, are not created
• 23:05
  equal. And honestly, that one of my
• 23:07
  favorite parts of college football is that like a James
• 23:10
  Madison could just have for years, could just have like a
• 23:14
  great season. And then they could just win
• 23:18
  their conference and go play in a bowl game that we didn't
• 23:21
  attach the word meaningless to. And we could just say, oh, dude,
• 23:25
  James Madison went and won Fiesta Bowl or they won, you
• 23:29
  know, a bowl. They could be Boise State in the
• 23:31
  Fiesta Bowl. They could go do these fun
• 23:33
  things. And it means a ton.
• 23:36
  And it's a great story. And you don't have to look at
• 23:39
  them with the eyes of Hey, you're, you're you're a
• 23:44
  sacrificial lamb for Oregon. You know, like right now we all
• 23:47
  look at James Madison and I'll say, oh, they're they're trash.
• 23:50
  They got destroyed by Oregon. Weren't those of us who know
• 23:54
  Ball are not saying that, but like, for what they are, they're
• 23:57
  great, but they're not supposed to be on the field with Oregon,
• 24:00
  you know, And so let's just call it what it is.
• 24:04
  Let's let you know if it needs to be a group of five, group of
• 24:07
  6, whatever playoff, that's great, whatever.
• 24:09
  If it needs, you know, the bowl games, you know, that's, that's,
• 24:13
  that's what I miss, but we'll we'll get there.
• 24:16
  I think you just got a they're they're still experimenting with
• 24:19
  everything. I hope that we there's been so
• 24:22
  much change and it's the last thing I'll say and we'll move on
• 24:24
  to the next games. There's been so much change in a
• 24:28
  short amount of time. For those of us who have been
• 24:31
  college ball fans for our whole life, you know, for so long, for
• 24:34
  150 years, things didn't change yet.
• 24:36
  Amateurism. You had all these things and
• 24:38
  since 2021, there's been so much change so quickly that it's
• 24:44
  tough to have kind of a North star of like what's true and
• 24:47
  what's, you know, the conferences are different, all
• 24:51
  this stuff's different. It's like what is, you know, the
• 24:54
  essence of college football? How do we keep that and preserve
• 24:57
  that for future generations and everything like that?
• 25:00
  So I if I was picking one thing, if you were like Daniel, you
• 25:04
  only get one thing to do, I would select a commissioner and
• 25:09
  have that person have to answer and guide what happens because I
• 25:15
  think you could start, but there's no central governing
• 25:18
  body. And so I think that's probably
• 25:21
  largest issue right now. But we will, we've teased it.
• 25:24
  We're going to have that in offseason pod.
• 25:26
  Don't worry, we'll get to the bottom of it.
• 25:28
  We'll have all of your favorite, you know, scenarios of what
• 25:31
  needs to happen. But dude, we got some ball to
• 25:34
  talk. So let's jump in.
• 25:36
  Let's go move on to the quarterfinals and get, you know,
• 25:39
  my appetite's been wet. Let's let's let's start eating.
• 25:43
  The stand alone game on New Year's Eve.
• 25:48
  We've got Ohio State in Miami in the Cotton Bowl.
• 25:52
  Yeah, Cotton Bowl here, Daniel. Last year, all four teams, the
• 25:56
  first round by lost. Ohio State was the benefactor of
• 25:59
  one of those. So the only team in the top 4
• 26:02
  now that did this last year as far as had the layoff and has it
• 26:05
  again is Georgia. So curious to see how Ohio State
• 26:10
  is on the other side of that now is different.
• 26:12
  Miami has some momentum coming off of the win at Texas saying
• 26:15
  it, they're going back to Texas. Look in a Dome stadium on, you
• 26:19
  know, on field turf. Ohio State opened higher than
• 26:25
  this, but they are a 9 1/2 point favorite over Miami.
• 26:28
  They're the favorite to win the whole thing.
• 26:30
  Daniel, who do you like to win the Cotton Bowl and advance to
• 26:33
  the semi final? Yeah.
• 26:35
  So last week I think we said this was the most confident we
• 26:39
  had been so far this year. I think that was because of some
• 26:42
  of the matchups, how they were. This, I think because I have,
• 26:47
  you know, stood over this for a while now, I feel pretty
• 26:50
  confident. I mean, I think Ohio State wins
• 26:52
  this game. Obviously, it's spoiler alert,
• 26:54
  They're one of the best teams in the country.
• 26:56
  I think that you kind of have, and I don't want to downgrade
• 27:00
  what we saw for Miami just because they weren't a heavy
• 27:04
  offensive team. I do think that there's a
• 27:06
  certain amount of momentum that Miami has from winning that game
• 27:09
  on the road and feeling good about themselves.
• 27:12
  But I also think there's enough doubt in their passing game
• 27:15
  after, you know, just not doing it.
• 27:17
  Like compare it to a pitcher in baseball getting the yips and
• 27:21
  kind of having to like throw strikes and get a get a guy out.
• 27:25
  I feel like they walked a lot of guys, but they were able to, you
• 27:28
  know, get out of that game late. So I that's how I feel about
• 27:32
  Miami. So I don't know if they
• 27:33
  necessarily carry a ton of momentum defensively.
• 27:36
  I think they do. But this Ohio State team
• 27:38
  defensively has been a nightmare.
• 27:40
  But I'll say this outside of the conference championship game and
• 27:46
  maybe their first game of the year, this may be the best team
• 27:49
  Ohio State has played all year, which we're in the playoff.
• 27:51
  That should happen. So I'm, I'm excited to see Ohio
• 27:54
  State meet this challenge of this great defense, this great
• 27:57
  pass rush. This is our offensive line have
• 27:59
  enough. It's a 9 1/2 point spread.
• 28:03
  I'm I'm just kind of in on Ohio State on this one.
• 28:07
  I think they're going to they're going to be well rested.
• 28:09
  They're going to run the ball, they're going to be able to
• 28:11
  play, you know, defense and I think they come up with a couple
• 28:16
  turnovers because of that. I think just having that many
• 28:20
  additional possessions over Miami.
• 28:23
  I like the the double digit win. I think 10 points is kind of
• 28:27
  right at the number. It's a good line by Vegas.
• 28:29
  I would probably flex it up to 12 or 14 as far as my personal
• 28:34
  like, you know how how I think the game's going to play, but
• 28:37
  I'm laying 10 1/2 or laying 9 1/2.
• 28:39
  I'll take that point. Laying 9 1/2 with the Buckeyes.
• 28:43
  Give me a higher state. Then you I again, this is me.
• 28:45
  I'm trying to be a person of the mobile with Miami because I
• 28:49
  walked game against Texas and I'm thinking, you know, if they
• 28:52
  play defense like that man, like they can give people the higher
• 28:56
  state. We saw Indiana do it.
• 28:57
  This is where Daniel the coming into the playoff and Josh Pace
• 29:02
  said this too. And I I completely agree.
• 29:03
  It was if Ohio State looks vulnerable, there are several
• 29:05
  teams that can win this whole thing.
• 29:07
  If they don't, they're probably going to run away with it.
• 29:10
  And they looked vulnerable and lost and and they hadn't really
• 29:12
  looked vulnerable all season. And so I'm like watching the
• 29:15
  struggle against a team that plays good defense makes me
• 29:18
  think Miami can stay in this game in the 9 1/2 is too many
• 29:21
  points. Regardless, I think Ohio State
• 29:23
  wins. I think that Miami offensively
• 29:27
  had two buttons that compress. It's running the ball with
• 29:29
  Fletcher and it's getting the ball to Malachi Tony.
• 29:33
  They don't really have a threat at receiver outside of Malachi
• 29:36
  Tony. It's kind of been him or bust in
• 29:39
  the past game, especially recently and they fed him a ton
• 29:42
  in the Texas A&M game. Which version of Carson Beck do
• 29:45
  we get? Beck looked off in that game,
• 29:48
  but again, high winds. So he he played his best ball in
• 29:51
  November. Carson Beck did coming in into
• 29:53
  the playoff. That being said, Daniel, I'm
• 29:56
  laying 9 1/2. I think Ohio State has too many
• 29:58
  ways to win. My only concern the 9 1/2 is
• 30:02
  that I think this will be a low scoring game.
• 30:05
  These are two very good defenses.
• 30:06
  I don't know how many points Miami's going to score against
• 30:09
  Ohio State's defense. I think Ohio State's going to
• 30:11
  score more. But Daniel, like I wouldn't be
• 30:13
  shocked if this were 2110, like 24 to 13, 17 to 7.
• 30:21
  Like that would not surprise me if it's that low scoring of a
• 30:25
  game. But I do think on the that both
• 30:27
  defenses are good. Ohio State has several more ways
• 30:30
  to win on offense. They've got multiple threats of
• 30:33
  receiver, a really good tight end room, a really good running
• 30:36
  backroom and a better quarterback.
• 30:38
  They have more ways to score. I think they scored just enough.
• 30:42
  I do think it's like that 24 to 14 type of game, low scoring
• 30:49
  defensive battle. And maybe it's they even break
• 30:51
  it open late. You know, it's a it's a 1714
• 30:54
  game and finally a run breaks off kind of like Miami to the
• 30:57
  Texas saying it. I think there's just a little
• 30:59
  bit more points than in that game because Ohio State's
• 31:01
  offense is much more dynamic and their defense is better.
• 31:05
  I think there's a reason they're putting 9 1/2 on this.
• 31:07
  Give me the Buckeyes to win and cover and to advance to the
• 31:10
  Fiesta Bowl here in a few weeks. So you and I both on the
• 31:15
  Buckeyes in this one. All right, we move to Daniel,
• 31:21
  the Orange Bowl, Texas Tech and Oregon.
• 31:26
  This should be a very good game. The lowest point spread of the
• 31:29
  four quarterfinal games, 1 1/2, is the line, which is
• 31:33
  interesting for a lot of reasons to me.
• 31:35
  Daniel, let's dive into it. I honestly would have thought
• 31:38
  Oregon would have been a bigger favorite.
• 31:39
  Texas Tech opened up as the 1 1/2 point favorite.
• 31:42
  It has moved to an Oregon 1 1/2. These are two good football
• 31:45
  teams. Daniel.
• 31:45
  This might be the best game of the weekend.
• 31:48
  Who do you like in the Orange Bowl?
• 31:51
  Yeah, I agree. This is 1.
• 31:52
  I I mean, I'm just glad to have this matchup.
• 31:55
  This is 2 teams that haven't had like they don't have any common
• 32:00
  opponents. There's not, you know, we've
• 32:02
  seen a lot of rematches. We've seen some teams that we
• 32:05
  have a really good feel for their style of play.
• 32:07
  I feel like this is just a fun matchup because you're really
• 32:11
  going to get to see just two, two juggernauts go head to head.
• 32:16
  They both have had, you know, some help with their schedule
• 32:18
  where it may be at times it was a lull and they were able to
• 32:21
  kind of not have to expel as much energy.
• 32:25
  There's been parts where they've had big time matchups.
• 32:28
  It's a really good barometer also on, you know, Big 10 versus
• 32:33
  the Big 12 as far as, you know, conference strength, that kind
• 32:36
  of thing, 'cause you've got essentially you could say the
• 32:39
  class of both conferences. Obviously there's three big time
• 32:42
  Big 10 teams in this playoffs still, so you know, any one of
• 32:47
  them. But this match up in, in
• 32:49
  particular Oregon just with their pedigree with they've been
• 32:55
  good for several years now. Dan Lanning has been to this
• 32:58
  spot. He's been the spot as a
• 33:00
  coordinator. He's been in the spot as a head
• 33:02
  coach. I, I'm, I'm leaning that way.
• 33:05
  I've I've looked at this game up and down.
• 33:08
  I think Texas Tech, one thing that they benefit from, I mean,
• 33:12
  Dickey running the ball being over 1000 yards this year, 14
• 33:14
  touchdowns. I they're more balanced, I
• 33:18
  guess, statistically speaking, than Oregon.
• 33:21
  But you know that I just like Oregon coming off of this.
• 33:25
  You know, they they had a game, so they were able to, you know,
• 33:29
  rest up for the championship week, have a game close to this.
• 33:32
  And then, you know, you really get that game plan out against
• 33:37
  James Madison early. Rest some guys even in that
• 33:40
  game. So they're not, you know, coming
• 33:43
  into this one banged up. They didn't have to expel a
• 33:46
  whole lot of energy. I'm saying a lot of words here.
• 33:49
  Look, it's a 1 1/2 point spread. I like Oregon to make the
• 33:53
  championship game. We talked about that one with
• 33:55
  our bracket. I think they win.
• 33:57
  It's a 1 1/2 point spread. I'm going to keep it, keep it
• 33:59
  100. Let's just see what happens.
• 34:01
  I like the pedigree on this side.
• 34:03
  I think Texas Tech, because they just started spending money,
• 34:08
  they're going to be in this more often.
• 34:09
  And, you know, I think you'll see there'll be more comfortable
• 34:12
  next year perhaps in this spot. I think Oregon wins.
• 34:15
  I think they win by a touchdown, but 1 1/2 points, I'll lay that
• 34:19
  with Oregon. Give me the Ducks.
• 34:20
  Daniel, it is hard for me to there's two teams that are left
• 34:25
  that it's hard for me to wrap my head around the like that not
• 34:29
  just they've won a lot of games that they're they're, they're
• 34:32
  legitimately good. And if you look at power
• 34:34
  ratings, just legitimately good football team.
• 34:36
  That's that's Texas Tech in Indiana.
• 34:37
  We've talked about a little bit with Indiana, but in Texas Tech
• 34:40
  has definitely got more dues than they used to get.
• 34:42
  But it's still hard to comprehend.
• 34:45
  It's not hard to comprehend a rush like this one in the Big
• 34:47
  12. I'll say, yeah, it's hard for me
• 34:49
  to get my head around them contending for a national
• 34:51
  championship. And, you know, friend of the
• 34:54
  show David Cobb picked Texas Tech to win it all.
• 34:56
  And whenever we filled out our bracket, I, I mean, I gave it a
• 34:59
  really good look because I'm like, look, I'm trying to take,
• 35:03
  you know, my P2 glasses off, my blue chip ratio glasses off.
• 35:07
  And I'm trying to look at this and be like, OK, Texas Tech is
• 35:10
  really good. Like, what do you see?
• 35:11
  And the question I asked him is the question I ask here, which
• 35:14
  is what is the best defense that Texas Tech has faced all season?
• 35:19
  And the answer is BYU. And they're barely a top 25
• 35:23
  level defense. And Oregon's a top five defense
• 35:26
  in the countries. To me, that's the mismatch in
• 35:28
  this game. Daniel is, I think Texas Tech
• 35:30
  defense is very good. Now, again, Oregon, we far and
• 35:33
  away the best offense they faced.
• 35:35
  But I do think they have a stout defense, especially up front,
• 35:38
  which is what you need to contend in some of these games,
• 35:40
  right, is if you can get pressure on the quarterback and
• 35:42
  stop the run with your defensive line, your front 7, your
• 35:44
  linebackers, that will help your past game in your corners
• 35:48
  because Oregon's got a really good receiving room.
• 35:50
  But on the other side, I just, I wonder if there's going to be
• 35:54
  some shell shock. I mean, Texas Tech has blown
• 35:56
  everybody out. They've played this year.
• 35:58
  Whenever you play a team like Oregon that has a top five level
• 36:01
  defense, I don't know that Texas Tech has a dynamic enough
• 36:05
  offense to contend in this game. And that's where the spread
• 36:09
  really surprises me. And I still think as good as
• 36:13
  power ratings are nowadays and I know their opponent adjusted, I
• 36:17
  still think there's a handicap here of what happens when a team
• 36:21
  faces a team that they've seen nothing like it all season.
• 36:24
  Because that's what's going to happen in this game with Texas
• 36:26
  Tech, where it's not like, I mean, Ohio State has seen
• 36:30
  Indiana, right? They've seen what a top five
• 36:33
  level team looks like. They face and they lost.
• 36:36
  It was a close game. They've seen it so that you you
• 36:38
  can calibrate like OK, that's what this level of team looks
• 36:41
  like. Texas Tech has not had that this
• 36:44
  year. So I I think it's hard for me to
• 36:46
  imagine them walk into a playoff game seeing this for the first
• 36:49
  time and then winning when this is the first time on the stage.
• 36:52
  Oregon now has playoff experience under their belt.
• 36:55
  Lay the 1 1/2 give me Oregon. I will say the angle though, I
• 36:58
  did, I don't know if you did this or not.
• 36:59
  I am looking at these games fresh with new data that we have
• 37:02
  from the first round and I'm not just going to stick, It's not
• 37:05
  necessarily going to stick to my playoff bracket from before.
• 37:09
  So if you're listening to me saying we already have their
• 37:11
  whole bracket, we are looking at these games fresh and and we're
• 37:14
  picking to get the spread obviously.
• 37:15
  So he knows we might stick to our bracket, we might not.
• 37:19
  More to come. Let's go to the Rose Bowl, one
• 37:22
  of my favorite college football games all year.
• 37:25
  I've made my opinion known that I think we should change the
• 37:27
  calendar and make the national championship game just be the
• 37:29
  Rose Bowl. Play it on January 1st at 4:00
• 37:32
  PM every year. I think that should be our
• 37:34
  championship. New Year's Day, 4:00 PM.
• 37:36
  You don't have to call it the national championship.
• 37:38
  Let's call it the Rose Bowl game, and that's our
• 37:41
  championship. I've never been, but I have a
• 37:44
  lot of respect for the Rose Bowl, as do you, Daniel.
• 37:46
  We were talking about the pretentiousness of it is a
• 37:49
  feature. I love it because they treat it.
• 37:52
  They treat their own game with a lot of respect, right?
• 37:55
  Like the Masters, the Master, Augusta National treats the
• 37:58
  Masters as if it's the greatest golf tournament in the world and
• 38:01
  that it is an honor to host their fans and that their fans
• 38:04
  get to experience something special.
• 38:06
  And it is. And they treat it that way,
• 38:08
  which is what makes it so special.
• 38:09
  And it, you know, it makes it better and then the fans take it
• 38:12
  special and that feeds into, you know, it's, it's it's a it's a
• 38:15
  cycle in a good way. the Rose Bowl is this for me.
• 38:17
  I really want to go at some point where my Rose Bowl hat.
• 38:20
  We get a big 10 SEC matchup in the Rose Bowl with two teams
• 38:23
  that wear the same color, Crimson in Indiana and Alabama.
• 38:28
  Interesting uniform matchup because it when it because it's
• 38:31
  the same color, it'll just be high contrast, you know, which I
• 38:35
  didn't even mention uniform matchups.
• 38:36
  I'm going to come back to that in a second, Daniel.
• 38:38
  Yeah. But this should be a good game.
• 38:41
  Indiana 6 1/2 point favorite Daniel, Who do you like in the
• 38:46
  Rose Bowl? Yeah, I mean, I don't know if
• 38:47
  you've looked this up, Jacob, but do you know how many times
• 38:50
  Indiana has been to the Rose Bowl?
• 38:52
  Oof, is it once before or never? They have once before I thought
• 38:57
  it was never. I thought this was their first
• 38:59
  time and so I've been saying that but I just googled myself
• 39:02
  to keep myself honest so that's smart.
• 39:05
  That's smart. First time was 1967 season 68
• 39:10
  Rose Bowl. The cardiac kids is what they
• 39:12
  called them, which would be a fitting name for Mendoza's.
• 39:14
  You know, touchdown against Penn State felt very cardiac kid.
• 39:19
  How many times would you say Alabama has been to the Rose
• 39:21
  Bowl? It's obviously not traditional
• 39:23
  for an SEC team to go to the Rose Bowl is why I'm asking the
• 39:26
  question. And obviously usually used to
• 39:29
  eat traditionally. Of course, Big 10, PAC 10, PAC
• 39:32
  12, eventually. OK.
• 39:35
  How many times the? Rose Bowl venue or like there's
• 39:39
  a they have. Played in the Rose Bowl game.
• 39:41
  In the Rose Bowl game, Yeah, so. I would get OK.
• 39:45
  They've done it twice in the playoff.
• 39:47
  No three times in the playoff era.
• 39:49
  Two or three 10/10 is my guess. And it's including to this one,
• 39:54
  so you say 10. Yeah, 10.
• 39:56
  That's a great guess. It's 9.
• 39:58
  Yeah, dude, you're right there, right there.
• 40:01
  So that's just, I just wanted to paint that picture for
• 40:03
  everybody. Obviously, if you listen to this
• 40:05
  podcast, you love Ball. You know, Ball.
• 40:09
  We're talking about Alabama and Indiana.
• 40:10
  You're talking about story program and new kid on the
• 40:13
  block. So someone who's not supposed to
• 40:15
  be here, someone who, you know, Becks to be here.
• 40:20
  And even if it's the Rose Bowl, Alabama knows their way around,
• 40:23
  you know? Caitlin de Boer as a head coach
• 40:26
  has been to the Rose Bowl more times in Indiana, you know, and
• 40:29
  he was a head coach at Indiana. It's there's a lot of fun things
• 40:32
  in this game. You mentioned the color
• 40:34
  contrast. That's going to be interesting
• 40:36
  to watch. Obviously the coaching where you
• 40:39
  know, Caitlin de Boer coach that like Kurt Cignetti coached at
• 40:43
  Alabama. So you've got some some fun
• 40:47
  there. And then it's just fun that
• 40:49
  Indiana is the big dog. They're the favorite in this
• 40:53
  game over Alabama. You see that script A, it's
• 40:55
  weird to pick against them. I am certainly not going to do
• 40:58
  it. I'm picking Alabama in this
• 40:59
  game. I picked them in the bracket.
• 41:01
  I'm staying true to myself. And watching them in the first
• 41:04
  round, I felt almost validated in my assumptions.
• 41:09
  I was thinking Alabama could get up off the mat.
• 41:11
  After getting ran over by Georgia in the SEC championship
• 41:14
  game. Ty Simpson did not look like
• 41:17
  himself in the first part of the game against Oklahoma.
• 41:21
  It kind of looked the same way. I got worried.
• 41:23
  But then you saw a kind of an awakening.
• 41:25
  Some receivers, you know, just kind of emerged and it was, it
• 41:29
  kind of became OK. You could be comfortable with
• 41:32
  Alabama and Caitlin De Bourg in. They're still a extremely
• 41:35
  talented team. And yes, going into this game,
• 41:38
  it's a 6 1/2 point spread and it's favored.
• 41:41
  I'm absolutely going to take those points.
• 41:43
  So that's all I have to do. But I'm going to tell you,
• 41:45
  Alabama's going to win this game outright.
• 41:48
  They've had exactly what they needed to, you know, get rid of
• 41:51
  the rust. They've played a lot of football
• 41:53
  because they had to play an extra game and, you know, they
• 41:57
  lost and had to play in the first round on the road.
• 42:01
  So I think there's something to be said of their toughness.
• 42:04
  I think that's going to come out in this game.
• 42:06
  I really try not to minimize Indiana.
• 42:08
  They've been phenomenal. This isn't like a Cinderella
• 42:11
  story that's coming to an end. This is going to be two
• 42:14
  juggernauts coming, you know, to do battle in the greatest venue
• 42:18
  we have in college football. It's just the championship
• 42:22
  pedigree of Alabama is going to be too much for Indiana for four
• 42:26
  quarters. I don't even have Alabama
• 42:28
  necessary blowing them out. I have it as a tight win, but a
• 42:33
  win is a win if they're within 6 1/2 points.
• 42:36
  I'm still taking this as a win myself, but Alabama wins
• 42:40
  outright. I'm going to stop talking and
• 42:41
  let you have some meat on the spoon, Jacob.
• 42:45
  I do want to mention real quick as far as uniform matchups go,
• 42:48
  the first two games should be excellent depending on what
• 42:50
  Texas Tech wears. Oregon, just you know, they've
• 42:54
  been really good with her your broad uniform.
• 42:56
  So I'm not I'm not worried about that with Oregon.
• 42:58
  Texas Tech, I know they like to do the the black, red, black.
• 43:03
  I'd love to do some black, black, white, maybe some red
• 43:06
  would look good. But regardless, should be a good
• 43:08
  uniform matchup. Then Ohio State and Miami, I
• 43:10
  will say I hope Ohio State brings back the home heritage
• 43:14
  stripe jerseys. Daniel I I've gone, I have a
• 43:19
  different take than I used to have.
• 43:21
  I think it's a better look than their regular home jersey, but I
• 43:23
  like that they save it for the playoff.
• 43:26
  My one change would be I don't love the black numbers on the
• 43:28
  shoulders. You'll have to look to something
• 43:30
  like a light on screen here for us.
• 43:31
  But their haters jerseys has that like Gray stripe that they
• 43:36
  typically save for post season play on the home jerseys.
• 43:39
  They wore the heritage of wagers using the natty last year.
• 43:42
  But I hope Ohio State wears those at home and then Miami
• 43:44
  just wear the all white or green pants.
• 43:46
  Just don't do orange pants with the red, but it won't look as
• 43:48
  good. Yeah, the Rose Bowl should be
• 43:49
  OK. That's the same color red, so
• 43:51
  not a lot of contrast there. But the Rose Bowl itself is
• 43:55
  gonna look beautiful. Something you and I talked about
• 43:57
  how the uniform matchup looks on the field is also important,
• 44:01
  like the color of the grass and stuff.
• 44:03
  Everything looks good on there in the Rose Bowl.
• 44:04
  And that grass is I get. That's why I compare it to
• 44:06
  Augustine. Out of 10.
• 44:08
  Yeah, 10 out of 10. The field design's perfect.
• 44:10
  That's something we should do in the offseason.
• 44:11
  I want to I want to do a ranking of like fields.
• 44:14
  How good fields look. Plus, you're talking about
• 44:17
  lighting, you know, in Norman and how it's a little darker and
• 44:20
  everything. Well, Rose Bowl, the lighting's
• 44:22
  always perfect because it's perfect.
• 44:24
  Picturesque. Starting the day afternoon.
• 44:26
  Exactly so. I love it.
• 44:29
  All right, the Rose Bowl, Daniel, I walked away from
• 44:33
  Alabama's win over Oklahoma in prison at the moment.
• 44:36
  I texted our group chat and I said not me thinking Alabama is
• 44:39
  going to beat Indiana here in a couple weeks.
• 44:42
  And I'm like, man, I just, it is so hard for me to look past, you
• 44:47
  know, depending on where you look, the first or second or
• 44:49
  third best roster in college football as far as the level of
• 44:53
  talent of the players, yeah, they're in a playoff setting.
• 44:56
  That's what we always said is like when an 8 or a nine seed
• 44:59
  wins it or a ten seed wins it. Ohio State last year, it's going
• 45:02
  to be in Ohio State and Alabama. A Georgia that lost a couple
• 45:06
  games, got hot late and they've got this roster that can go and
• 45:09
  beat anybody, right? I don't think that's Alabama
• 45:12
  this year, but they at least fit that build.
• 45:15
  I'm laying the points to Indiana.
• 45:16
  I I thought a lot about it. I walked away saying I'm at
• 45:19
  least going to take the points. I'm laying the points in
• 45:21
  Indiana. I'm trying to trust the
• 45:23
  performances that I've seen 2025 on the field and Indiana has
• 45:27
  looked like the best team in the country in 2025 and including if
• 45:31
  I'm taking the Oklahoma game into account.
• 45:33
  For Alabama, my red flag is they gave up over 400 yards to an
• 45:38
  Oklahoma offense that had done nothing the second-half of the
• 45:42
  season. And I know, but tears thumb was
• 45:43
  better, but the way they were able to run the ball and Alabama
• 45:47
  has Alabama has struggled to run the ball year and they've
• 45:50
  struggled to stop the rental year.
• 45:51
  And they're going up against a very stout Indiana defense that
• 45:55
  shut down Ohio State and held them to what was it 10 points in
• 45:59
  the Big 10 championship. On the other side, they're going
• 46:02
  up against the number one pass offense in the country, number
• 46:05
  six offense, you know, opponent adjusted for your Archer play in
• 46:09
  the country. I think Indiana's going to win
• 46:11
  and cover here. I think that they've they've
• 46:13
  been the better team all season. I'm trying to just I've I've
• 46:18
  admitted it's hard for me to look into Indiana and trust it,
• 46:21
  but I'm trying to go with what I've seen in 2025 and trust it.
• 46:25
  Lay the points with Indiana can be Indiana to win and cover in
• 46:29
  the Rose Bowl. I like this game to be like 27
• 46:33
  to like 17 ish. I don't know if Amy's going to
• 46:38
  be able to score enough to win. If they they hold Indiana 27,
• 46:43
  that'll be impressive because that's about what Oklahoma did
• 46:45
  in Indiana's offense is a lot better.
• 46:49
  Give me Indiana to winning covering the Rose Bowl, man.
• 46:53
  That brings us to New Year's evening, not Eve, but 8:00 PM
• 46:57
  New Year's Day. We go to the Sugar Bowl.
• 47:00
  I like the Sugar Bowl, think it's a good venue there in New
• 47:04
  Orleans. You know, we grew up SEC fans,
• 47:07
  so always tied to the Sugar Bowl being kind of the big bowl game
• 47:10
  for for the SEC schools and Big 12 traditionally.
• 47:14
  Daniel, we get an SEC on SEC matchup in New Orleans.
• 47:18
  It's a rematch from earlier in the season, Georgia and Ole
• 47:22
  Miss. So we expected to be here when
• 47:24
  the bracket came out. We get it now a Lane Kiffin less
• 47:28
  Ole Miss Georgia 6 1/2 point favorite.
• 47:32
  This was 4335. The first game of the first time
• 47:35
  around. Daniel high scoring affair with
• 47:38
  the only stops came in the fourth quarter.
• 47:41
  Only a couple of punts in the game.
• 47:44
  High scoring. That means the spreads about
• 47:47
  where that game ended last time, about a touchdown in favor of
• 47:50
  Georgia. Who do you like to win and cover
• 47:53
  in the Sugar Bowl? Because you mentioned that this
• 47:55
  is ACC venue and there's two SEC teams.
• 47:59
  I mean, I just would like to know.
• 48:00
  I wanted to see how many times each of these teams has played.
• 48:04
  Obviously, your perception would be probably Georgia has played
• 48:08
  plenty more. You want to take a guess on
• 48:11
  either one. I do think it's Georgia more we
• 48:14
  can we go on number of appearances.
• 48:16
  Yeah, number of appearances. Georgia is more My initial
• 48:19
  thought was they probably. Had the amount.
• 48:21
  If I was guessing, but I did look it up and it was
• 48:23
  interesting. Is it more than 10?
• 48:27
  Both teams have more than 10. OK, OK.
• 48:30
  That was just. Surprising.
• 48:31
  I mean, is it is Georgia like like 20?
• 48:34
  No. It's Georgia's got 13.
• 48:38
  Well, this has got 11. So I saw Ole Miss with 11.
• 48:42
  I expected to see Georgia at 22. I mean, it's not something I've
• 48:45
  kept, you know, close track of, but you know, usually it's tied
• 48:49
  to winning SEC championships. I think Georgia has won, I think
• 48:53
  was it 17 SEC championships, something like that.
• 48:58
  So you know, but Yep, that is that's the number.
• 49:02
  So 13 for Georgia, 11 for Ole Miss.
• 49:06
  Speaking of uniform matchups, this one's going to be
• 49:08
  interesting. I like, you know, Georgia
• 49:09
  wearing the red. Ole Miss is probably wearing
• 49:12
  white, I would think. I don't think they're going to
• 49:14
  do a color, but I guess they technically could.
• 49:18
  But yeah, apparently the reason they chose the Navy blue for the
• 49:21
  last game was because that was Lane Kiffin's least favorite of
• 49:24
  the sword on the street, at least, which I do like the Navy
• 49:26
  blue look. I think it will look good.
• 49:28
  It's. A classic.
• 49:29
  It's classy. But we're going to get
• 49:31
  essentially the same look that we got in Athens because George
• 49:34
  was at home. Of course, fun rematches are
• 49:37
  always interesting because you want to glean what you had from
• 49:41
  the first game. This one's, you know, take it a
• 49:45
  step up and in that, you know, one team doesn't have their head
• 49:49
  coach. Most of the time you would just
• 49:50
  chalk it up and say, OK, well, OK, Ole Miss doesn't have Lane
• 49:53
  Kiffin. This is easy.
• 49:55
  You know, George is going to win big, but you know, Lane Kiffin
• 49:59
  was not the sole play caller. Charlie Weis junior did call the
• 50:02
  plays. You know, you still have the
• 50:04
  defensive, pretty much both Staffs completely in place.
• 50:07
  The difference is, you know, of course, you don't have a a staff
• 50:11
  solely focused on this. You've got staff, you know,
• 50:14
  partially focused on this, partially recruiting for LSU
• 50:18
  because they've moved on. You also have the one thing I
• 50:22
  thought especially in this matchup, because we talked about
• 50:25
  matchups, specifically the matchup with Ole Miss in
• 50:29
  Georgia, bring it down to the head coaches, You've got Lane
• 50:33
  Kiffin and Kirby Smart. They know each other so well.
• 50:35
  These guys are close friends back to the years at Bama, but
• 50:39
  they both have immense respect for one another.
• 50:42
  They are good friends. They have their text group that
• 50:45
  I'd love to be a part of, but I'd love to see, you know, get a
• 50:48
  glimpse of what's going on in that, in that Sabin tree text
• 50:51
  group that they have flaunted before.
• 50:53
  But these guys, because they know each other so well, it's
• 50:56
  almost that. I think Lane gives an edge that
• 51:02
  can't necessarily be quantified in XS and OS.
• 51:04
  He knows Kirby well and he knows what Kirby likes to do.
• 51:09
  He knows what Saban likes to do. And because of that, even if he
• 51:12
  didn't have the guys that could play with him, he knows kind of
• 51:16
  how their mind works. And you hear about the the
• 51:18
  Kiffin whistle, you won't be hearing that in this game that
• 51:22
  becomes famous where, you know, he he whistles to get his
• 51:25
  quarterback's attention to change something.
• 51:27
  Or if he knows exactly what they're in or what they're going
• 51:30
  to do, he'll whistle so he can give, you know, a note to the
• 51:33
  quarterback that's not there. Because of that specifically, I
• 51:38
  feel better about Georgia. I don't want to just wash it all
• 51:40
  and say, oh, they don't have their head coach.
• 51:42
  I think Ole Miss is still an extremely formidable team.
• 51:45
  And I think specific matchups, I think they could win and advance
• 51:49
  in the playoffs. I just think that running into
• 51:52
  Georgia, where they are and the way Georgia has played
• 51:56
  defensively since the Ole Miss game, Ole Miss was able to get
• 52:00
  all those yards on them. Now I think Georgia has found
• 52:03
  their footing. Glenn Schumann has gotten more
• 52:07
  exotic with the blitz scheme and better with disguising certain
• 52:12
  things and not necessarily that he's become better.
• 52:14
  The players have gotten better over the course of the season.
• 52:17
  They've grown up with the Georgia defensive back.
• 52:20
  We've seen them just grow and, you know, become a strength of
• 52:24
  the team now, whereas early in the season they were liability.
• 52:27
  So all of those things together, I think are going to contribute
• 52:31
  to Georgia playing better defense in this game.
• 52:34
  I think Georgia because of that does not, you know, maybe have
• 52:38
  the offensive game that they had against Ole Miss as well.
• 52:41
  I think they're probably a dialed down version of that.
• 52:43
  They've not been as electric offensively, but Georgia is a
• 52:48
  very complimentary football, very geared towards
• 52:51
  complimentary football. That's how Kirby wants to play
• 52:54
  things. I think that's how it's going to
• 52:56
  go. A 6 1/2 point spread.
• 52:58
  I think Georgia wins this comfortably.
• 53:00
  I don't think that it's a snoozer of a game.
• 53:03
  I think that, you know, Ole Miss is in this game till the very
• 53:07
  end. But I, I think you'd probably
• 53:08
  see a A2 touchdown victory, maybe something along the lines
• 53:12
  where Georgia is not ever in danger of necessarily losing
• 53:18
  lead in the second-half, I'll say, where they've always at
• 53:21
  least got a touchdown lead. And basically they're trading
• 53:23
  possessions. Maybe Georgia goes and scores,
• 53:25
  almost comes right back down. I could see that happening.
• 53:29
  But I think Georgia wins comfortably in that sense.
• 53:32
  So give me the dogs, lay the points.
• 53:34
  And Daniel, if we just copy and paste the first game, that's why
• 53:37
  the spread is where it is, right?
• 53:38
  We've seen this game. Georgia was able to get more
• 53:40
  stops than Ole Miss, I think. Like what's the same from the
• 53:43
  first game? I think the same is that both
• 53:47
  teams are going to be able to score.
• 53:49
  I think what's different is I agree that both defenses have
• 53:51
  gotten better. I think Georgia's defense from
• 53:53
  the from the really from the fourth quarter of this game on
• 53:56
  Georgia's defense was different the rest of the year.
• 54:00
  And two, I mean, I think Chambliss is probably this.
• 54:02
  This was his first Rd. start. Yeah.
• 54:05
  Chambliss is a lot more comfortable in this offense.
• 54:08
  I think if there is energy behind the like being Kiffin
• 54:13
  less and like the we're going to show him, I think that probably
• 54:17
  expires after the first quarter of this game.
• 54:19
  I think at home you get to beat up on 2 lane.
• 54:23
  I think about the second quarter it's going to be OK like that.
• 54:26
  That kind of wave is over with. The biggest difference that's.
• 54:30
  Possibly split, not to interrupt you.
• 54:32
  I think it's also possibly split because the coaches, like all
• 54:35
  those offensive coaches are leaving too.
• 54:37
  So I don't think there can be like a unified galvanization
• 54:40
  right where I agree with you. If it otherwise, I feel like it
• 54:43
  would be, hey, we're US against the world.
• 54:46
  Well, it's US against this team, this, this game.
• 54:50
  But all these guys are, you know, 1 foot out the door.
• 54:53
  Sorry, you continue. No, but to me, the difference of
• 54:56
  this game, Daniel, is Georgia outrushed Ole Miss in the last
• 55:00
  game, 221 to 88. They were still able to play
• 55:03
  their game even in a shootout. And I think that's the
• 55:05
  difference in this game. I think that Georgia, as bad as
• 55:08
  the defense was early on in the year, they committed to stopping
• 55:11
  the run and they stopped every team from running the ball and
• 55:14
  they've committed to running the ball and that created a lot of
• 55:16
  balance with their offense that I don't think Ole Miss is going
• 55:18
  to be able to stop. Gunner Stockton had his his best
• 55:21
  game of the of the season in this game against Ole Miss.
• 55:24
  You could argue maybe the Texas game as well.
• 55:26
  He's been kind of off since the Georgia Tech game against, you
• 55:29
  know, he was kind of off in the SEC Championship too.
• 55:32
  He was efficient but not as explosive as he was in this Ole
• 55:35
  Miss game. I do wonder if maybe facing the
• 55:38
  Ole Miss defense can give Gunner Stockton some more confidence.
• 55:41
  I I do think Georgia wins in coverage, but I think the
• 55:43
  biggest difference in the game is that Georgia can stop the run
• 55:46
  and runs the ball in an elite clip.
• 55:48
  And it's why in the first matchup they held the ball for
• 55:49
  37 minutes compared to Ole Miss is 22.
• 55:52
  So I think that's a big difference in this game.
• 55:54
  I think Georgia wins in coverage.
• 55:56
  I didn't think I'll miss score some points.
• 55:57
  I think this could be like a 31 for a game.
• 55:59
  Not as high scoring as the first time around, but George's pass
• 56:02
  rush has come on where Chambliss was able to sit back and kind of
• 56:06
  toss it all over the place on the 1st 3/4 against Georgia.
• 56:09
  The first time. I do think that's a difference
• 56:11
  too, is the Georgia pass rush has come on where they're start.
• 56:14
  They're starting to get a lot of pressure rushing 4 guys and then
• 56:17
  you get into third and long and you start to get defensive play
• 56:21
  calls that Georgia was not doing early in the year.
• 56:23
  You start to get stemming up front, you start to get
• 56:26
  simulated pressure, you start to get 6 guys in the line.
• 56:29
  You don't know who's dropping back and who's going to wear and
• 56:31
  you start to get stunts in the defensive line.
• 56:32
  It it's a lot of stuff Georgia was not doing early because they
• 56:35
  played a ton of young players and I don't think the coaching
• 56:38
  staff trusted the players to execute that early in the year.
• 56:42
  If they had to simplify it now, I think you're getting a more
• 56:44
  exotic version of Georgia's defense.
• 56:46
  I don't know if all miss is going to be able to keep up
• 56:48
  scoring with Georgia, even if Georgia's scoring is more
• 56:51
  limited to. So I think Georgia has more ways
• 56:53
  to win. I think they win and cover.
• 56:55
  It's 6 1/2 under a touchdown. Yeah, I like Georgia by about a
• 56:59
  touchdown this game. I always took the points because
• 57:01
  I do think almost of being overlooked a little bit.
• 57:03
  But I think you could also say is George being overlooked a
• 57:06
  little bit as far as I'm not hearing a lot of conversation
• 57:09
  nationally about Georgia winning this whole thing.
• 57:12
  So we'll see. Interesting off the field stuff
• 57:15
  with Georgia having played in this game last year, lost the
• 57:19
  game obviously, but there was the terror attack in New Orleans
• 57:21
  last year. Kirby Smart lost his dad in New
• 57:23
  Orleans last year. I, I am curious if that has an
• 57:26
  effect, good or bad on the team of this is the Smart family's
• 57:29
  first time back in New Orleans since that all happened.
• 57:32
  But Kirby Smart talked about in this press conference of just
• 57:34
  like, hey, you know, we'll deal with that off the field.
• 57:37
  And by the time the game kicks off, he'll be so busy that it'll
• 57:39
  be focused on the game at that point.
• 57:41
  But something to keep an eye on, talk about.
• 57:44
  Yeah, this move the game last year that was I you know those
• 57:47
  things, this a whole day. So yeah, that changed kind of
• 57:52
  the the essence of it. And you know, you talked about
• 57:56
  coaches that are returning to their spot.
• 57:58
  This Georgia is the only one that's returning to the hosting
• 58:01
  position in this spot. So they're if you want to stay
• 58:06
  used to it or have a beat on it. And then of course, Gunner
• 58:09
  Stockton is the only returning quarterback to, you know, who
• 58:12
  started a playoff game. So something else to kind of
• 58:14
  just keep in your back pocket as you go to the second round where
• 58:18
  all these teams are getting more and more, these games get more
• 58:20
  and more competitive. So uniforms, Daniel almost don't
• 58:24
  mess this up. This is very easy.
• 58:26
  They asked her fans to wear powder blue, so I'm assuming
• 58:28
  they're wearing a powder blue helmet.
• 58:29
  Powder helmet, white jersey, grey pants don't mess it up.
• 58:31
  Very easy. Very easy elite uniform mash up.
• 58:34
  If we do that, Daniel, if there's a game we picked that
• 58:37
  you're least confident in your pick, which one is it?
• 58:40
  I would say my least confident pick is Oregon and Texas Tech
• 58:45
  just because I, I feel like of course it's just a 1 1/2 point
• 58:48
  spread. But I think it's one of those
• 58:50
  things I just, there's not a lot of data of common opponents that
• 58:54
  I could look at and be like, oh, look, this points to, you know,
• 58:59
  of course, because this, you know, the associative property
• 59:02
  always works by being like, Oh yeah, because of this, this will
• 59:05
  happen. But at least just getting a
• 59:08
  look. So I, I really feel like it's
• 59:09
  going to be eye opening when we see those two teams come out.
• 59:12
  Mine would be the Rose Bowl and I'll say this point because I
• 59:15
  was thinking about with Georgia in the not that it won't be
• 59:19
  done, but it's hard for me to trust A-Team that's never been
• 59:22
  in the spot to all of a sudden go and do it.
• 59:25
  And Indiana has a playoff experience last year.
• 59:27
  But I got to think about all missing this game.
• 59:29
  This is the biggest game all misses played in since I mean.
• 59:34
  Ever sweet? Yeah.
• 59:36
  Since last week, I mean, that's at home and now you go facing a
• 59:40
  Georgia team where this is what Kirby smarts like.
• 59:42
  Fifth playoff appearance. They've been in the a new year,
• 59:46
  6 ball every year since Kirby second year at the pro.
• 59:49
  This is 9 years in a row. So I think you've got a lot of
• 59:52
  experience and I think that's why about Indiana and Alabama.
• 59:56
  Alabama has played in these games.
• 59:58
  I mean, even I know it's a new staff, but Caitlyn Dubois played
• 1:00:00
  for a national championship. He won a playoff game at
• 1:00:03
  Washington. So staff's used to it.
• 1:00:05
  The players are used to it on that are on the roster.
• 1:00:07
  So that would be my answer is the Rose Bowl.
• 1:00:09
  I do wonder it's hard to quantify that as far as what it
• 1:00:12
  feels like when I know it's fun to talk about.
• 1:00:15
  But now your season is actually on the line.
• 1:00:17
  It really is winner go home, you've got these special patches
• 1:00:20
  in the jersey, you've got a 5050 crowd split.
• 1:00:24
  It's just interesting. It's.
• 1:00:26
  It's hard to these it's hard to forget.
• 1:00:28
  It's easy to forget that these are 18 to 22 year olds and this
• 1:00:32
  is what made what Saban did so special.
• 1:00:35
  And a lot of these historically great coaches is especially in
• 1:00:38
  this, you know, social media world is keeping these players
• 1:00:42
  motivated. It's really impressive.
• 1:00:44
  That's why I think he's the GOAT.
• 1:00:46
  And again, it's just something in the back of my mind as I'm
• 1:00:48
  watching this is like, how do you get this 18 year old to lock
• 1:00:51
  in when they haven't been here before?
• 1:00:54
  Something to keep an eye on. I think it's fun to think about.
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