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The Bolt Report | 25 November · The Bolt Report

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Jeez, he's the good report.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight Climate changement, Sir Chris Bowen under attack today and
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  Speaker 2: snapping under the heat and mc canavan and why is
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  Speaker 2: turned against mate Barnaby Joyce. Also tonight Donald Trump invited
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  Speaker 2: to China? Is he about to sell out Taiwan? But
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  Speaker 2: first the Coalition has just made a big call. Attack
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  Speaker 2: paul In Hanson, Attack Barnaby Joyce, go for them, even
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  Speaker 2: silence them, to stop the terrible loss of Coalition voters
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  Speaker 2: to Hanson's One Nation, because this really is a war
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  Speaker 2: for survival. One in four coalition voters of the May
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  Speaker 2: election now tell polsters they backed One Nation instead. And Joyce,
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  Speaker 2: the Nationals MP former Deputy Prime Minister, is about to
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  Speaker 2: join One Nation himself. And last night Pauling Hanson even
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  Speaker 2: cooked for him, cooked him bizarrely a Wag you steak
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  Speaker 2: and a sandwich maker. Although Joyce did claim the dinner
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  Speaker 2: film for publicity purposes by One Nation was a delight.
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  Speaker 2: Even if I think so much salt next to a
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  Speaker 2: man of florid complexion is dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: It was actually brilliant. Shape was absolutely perfect. I commented
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  Speaker 3: on all seriousness a commodore quite a few times ago.
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  Speaker 3: This is I mean spot on.
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  Speaker 2: Now. That dinner is clearly very much part of a
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  Speaker 2: build up to a big announcement by Joyce apparently in
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  Speaker 2: the next few days that yes, is indeed quitting the
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  Speaker 2: National Party that he once led to join Hanson's One
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  Speaker 2: Nation eventually he hopes to succeed. That he's seventy one
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  Speaker 2: year old Hanson as leader now. Joyce today hinted that
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  Speaker 2: this announcement will be made about the end of the week.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't want much of a circus. He is
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  Speaker 3: certainly enough and I'll get to the end of the week.
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  Speaker 3: Can make a.
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  Speaker 2: Decision then, and with One Nation, Joyce would almost certainly
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  Speaker 2: win a Senate seat in the next election, which would
• 2:08
  Speaker 2: give one National List five Senate seats. There may even
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  Speaker 2: be more, potentially giving One Nation a key role in
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  Speaker 2: the Senate, a much bigger same fact than the Nationals
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  Speaker 2: who have just four Senate seats and no job for Joyce. Now,
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  Speaker 2: with him going, the Coalition needed to paint that here
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  Speaker 2: is Joyce. You know, he's actually jumping into a circus.
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  Speaker 2: Is not jumping from a sinking ship. Oh no, So
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  Speaker 2: that is why the Coalition today attacked both Joyce and
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  Speaker 2: Hansen using the excuse of Hanson's stunt yesterday which he
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  Speaker 2: dressed in a burker in the Senate to protest about
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  Speaker 2: against not being allowed to even table a bill to
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  Speaker 2: ban the burker in public spaces, which led to the
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  Speaker 2: apparent hypocrisy of Hansen's burker being banned from the Senate
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  Speaker 2: which didn't want to even talk about bann the burker
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  Speaker 2: from public spaces, not as you Leader Susan Lee today
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  Speaker 2: damned Hanson's stunt with faint dams.
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  Speaker 4: Admittedly, it does go to show how brittle the politics
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  Speaker 4: of one Nation are and cheapening the status and the
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  Speaker 4: symbolism of the Senate in such a way is unsupported
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  Speaker 4: by the majority of Australians. To bring back a stunt
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  Speaker 4: from I think twenty seventeen. I think the less said
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  Speaker 4: about it the better.
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  Speaker 2: The more surprising was how strongly Joyce and Hanson were
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  Speaker 2: attacked by Joyce's former chief of staff and friend, National
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  Speaker 2: Senator Matt Canavan.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, come on, Barnaby, I mean, do you really
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  Speaker 5: want to go and join the circus. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: one nation is the answer, and I think yesterday demonstrated that.
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  Speaker 2: The Canavan kind of missed the fact that his post
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  Speaker 2: on x again attacking Hanson as good at stunts but
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  Speaker 2: not at winning votes in Parliament, was followed by pages
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  Speaker 2: and pages of comments, even from fans defending Hanson and
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  Speaker 2: saying it's the coalition that has no answers and no fight. Look,
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  Speaker 2: it's true that Hanson's berker stunt was offensive to many people,
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  Speaker 2: or worse, for Hanson, the sign of a lack of seriousness.
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  Speaker 2: But then again, I suspect many voters would have been
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  Speaker 2: just as offended by the pylon that she's copying, offended
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  Speaker 2: by the Senate silencing her today, and not just labor
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  Speaker 2: in the Greens, but the Liberals and the Nationals as well,
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  Speaker 2: kicking her out for a week. Talk about the cancel culture.
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  Speaker 2: The Senate this afternoon voted to silence the voice of
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  Speaker 2: the people who voted for Pauline Hanson. How many of
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  Speaker 2: those voters do you think?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Many of them, poor, powerless, feeling marginalized, would have seen
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  Speaker 2: this as a symbol of the arrogance of the elites.
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  Speaker 2: The bullying these days, of course, is a hypocrisy. I
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  Speaker 2: mean the greenskin dress in the Senate, like Palestinian militants
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  Speaker 2: with their Palestinian keffias and their militant fists in the air.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, all, no problem, but where a burker instead
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  Speaker 2: of a keffi out well, that is outrage. And Hansome
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  Speaker 2: later called it.
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  Speaker 6: Out to me, it's been hypocritical.
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  Speaker 2: And Hans's defence of herself in the Senate before she
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  Speaker 2: was today cut short and thrown out was not completely unreasonable.
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  Speaker 2: And for a start she nailed the lie that wherein
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  Speaker 2: the burker was required by Islam and the deposing the
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  Speaker 2: burker was therefore some kind of religious vilification.
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  Speaker 6: I must inform my fellow senators who've made it say
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  Speaker 6: it is a religious requirement.
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  Speaker 7: It's not.
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  Speaker 6: Wearing the burker is not a religious requirement. The burker
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  Speaker 6: is culturally worn by some people of Islamic fate, but
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  Speaker 6: it is not a religious requirement. It has been imposed
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  Speaker 6: on women that are forced to wear it by their
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  Speaker 6: male were the husbands, brothers, fathers, whatever, that they're forced
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  Speaker 6: to wear it. And I think it's so hypocritical. See
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  Speaker 6: that you're supposed to be defending women's rights, but you're
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  Speaker 6: not going out there and fighting for these women.
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  Speaker 2: Spoken like a feminist modeive spoken a decade ago before
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  Speaker 2: identity politics really took off. But now we'll find out.
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  Speaker 2: Did Hanson just make a terrible mistake with a burker stunt.
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  Speaker 2: Did she just destroy her big surge in the polls
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  Speaker 2: fifteen percent support or even more now as commentators say,
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  Speaker 2: Or did she just give her supporters even more reason
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  Speaker 2: to send a loud stuff you to the political establishment,
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  Speaker 2: including the Coalition. Hanson's critics are right. You know that
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  Speaker 2: she yesterday would have turned off a lot of people,
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  Speaker 2: but I think they'd probably mostly be people who are
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  Speaker 2: never going to vote for her anyway. And it's true
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  Speaker 2: that Hanson showed yesterday why she could never be Prime minister.
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  Speaker 2: But she doesn't need to be, not to cripple the Coalition.
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  Speaker 2: She just needs enough voters to give her One Nation
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  Speaker 2: Party a big say over legislation in the next Senate,
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  Speaker 2: and with the help of Barnaby Joyce, she could very
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  Speaker 2: well get it. Jordan MusmA, regular Tuesday commentator, Nationals MP
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  Speaker 2: Matt Canavan, the former Resources Minister and a very good
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  Speaker 2: one too. Mat Canavan, great to see you again. You
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  Speaker 2: and the rest of the Opposition sat with Labor in
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  Speaker 2: the Senate today to censor hands to throw her out
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  Speaker 2: for a week.
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  Speaker 5: Why that's not true. No, that's not true, and not
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  Speaker 5: true at all. We invited not to send.
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  Speaker 2: You were sitting with Labor ladyside.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's not hang on support well, Andrew.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot of crap being said about the Senate
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  Speaker 5: right now, including yourself. So let's get the record straight.
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  Speaker 5: We did not vote to cencha Pauline Hansen. We voted
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  Speaker 5: to remove that from the motion, the motion to put
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  Speaker 5: her out.
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  Speaker 1: For seven days. We were going to vote against.
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  Speaker 5: We vote against on the voices Pauline Hansen canceled that division.
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  Speaker 5: She canceled that division. So if you want to say
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  Speaker 5: I didn't, I voted for a seven day suspension.
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  Speaker 1: So did her own senators.
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  Speaker 5: They didn't vote against it either, because she got up
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  Speaker 5: and canceled division. Now, in terms of how this all started, yes,
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  Speaker 5: one senator denied leave hang on.
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  Speaker 1: Hear me out, hear me. You just said a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot about me, Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: I think I just want to fist that point first,
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  Speaker 2: that point I saw footage of you sitting with Labor
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  Speaker 2: at the point said cancel the sense of motion. I've
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  Speaker 2: had it. And then there was none no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: no vote.
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  Speaker 1: I was well, Andrew, very clear when she got up, well,
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  Speaker 1: we weren't. We hadn't divided yet, Andrew.
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  Speaker 5: And when she got up to do that, I was
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  Speaker 5: on mice outside ready to vote no. And she got
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  Speaker 5: up in cancer. It was still the clock was still ticking,
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  Speaker 5: so we weren't voting on it, Andrew. And I just
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  Speaker 5: want to make it very clear. You've said a lot
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  Speaker 5: about me, so let me have a rite of reply.
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  Speaker 5: Pauline Hanson was denied the leave to introduce her worker
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  Speaker 5: bill by one Senator, which you can do on a
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  Speaker 5: formal motion. She has other ways she could have introduced
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  Speaker 5: her bill that wouldn't have allowed it and avoid avoided
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  Speaker 5: that outcome. She chose not to use those avenues, right.
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  Speaker 5: She chose not to use them because clearly she wanted
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  Speaker 5: to create this stunt and this controversy, not to get change,
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  Speaker 5: not to actually do anything real, just to create outrage.
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  Speaker 5: And this is the problem, Andrew. She did this eight
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  Speaker 5: years ago. Has it changed anything? Has actually anything gotten
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  Speaker 5: better in this country by Pauline acting like this?
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  Speaker 1: No, I am in politics.
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  Speaker 5: I'm down here spending time away from my family to
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  Speaker 5: get real things done, not to create outrage and headlines,
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  Speaker 5: and you've got to use the media, and you've got
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  Speaker 5: to try and get your message out from time to time.
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  Speaker 5: But ultimately, you have to build a case for a change.
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  Speaker 5: You have to build a team that's going to get
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  Speaker 5: enough numbers in the House of Representatives and the Senate
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  Speaker 5: to actually affect change.
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  Speaker 1: Now I've done that. I believe in minister.
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  Speaker 5: Resources as helping to win elections, as helping to keep
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  Speaker 5: out Bill Shorten from being Prime Minister. But I'm not
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  Speaker 5: in this business to create stunts. And as I said,
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  Speaker 5: Pauline had their opportunity, she could have moved this bill
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  Speaker 5: in the Senate, but she decided not to to instead
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  Speaker 5: create a two day distraction, which may I add, is
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  Speaker 5: distracting attention from the government's failing that zero agenda we
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  Speaker 5: should be put. We had to putting them on the
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  Speaker 5: ropes in question time. But instead of your covering that,
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  Speaker 5: you're covering about what some senator wore into the Senate.
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday, steady, And you haven't heard the rest of the
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  Speaker 2: show yet, And I did cover that very extensively last night,
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  Speaker 2: as you may well know. Now, I can do actually
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  Speaker 2: more than one thing at a time. You today called
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  Speaker 2: one nation a circus, and you said that Barnaby Joyce,
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  Speaker 2: your former boss and friend, was just in it for
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  Speaker 2: himself by joining them. It was all about Barnaby, you said,
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  Speaker 2: you've never been so harsh about him.
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  Speaker 5: Why now, Well, he's contributing to this. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 5: ridiculous dinner last night. It's all such a saga. And
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  Speaker 5: as I say, I think people are sick of it down.
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  Speaker 1: We should be here.
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  Speaker 5: We should be here this week holding the government to
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  Speaker 5: account on net zero and the fact that it can't
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  Speaker 5: control our energy prices. A few months ago, six months ago,
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  Speaker 5: Barnaby didn't want to split the coalition up because he
• 11:30
  Speaker 5: thought the best way was to stay in coalition with
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  Speaker 5: the Liberal Party to try and effect change through that.
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  Speaker 1: I had a different view.
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  Speaker 5: I thought we should have gone at that point and
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  Speaker 5: affected change that way. But he called for that, he
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  Speaker 5: was successful, so we stayed in coalition. Now he played
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  Speaker 5: his role. He did a great job with the repeal
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  Speaker 5: Net zero bill. But we've done that and we got
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  Speaker 5: to this point where after myself and many other people
• 11:51
  Speaker 5: in the LMP fighting for this, we've got a situation
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  Speaker 5: where now seventy members of Parliament, the House of Reps
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  Speaker 5: and the Liberal and the Senate from the Liberal and
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  Speaker 5: National parties.
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  Speaker 1: Are against zero. We got that outcome.
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  Speaker 5: Pauline, after four years of fighting, has got four senators
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  Speaker 5: against net zero. And I really believe it would have
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  Speaker 5: been better for Barnaby to b in part of that
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  Speaker 5: team that is winning on the scoreboard has a chance
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  Speaker 5: of getting this done. But instead he's going around having
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  Speaker 5: dinner with Pauline and creating an absolute distraction to help
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  Speaker 5: the government. So that's why I've made those comments today.
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  Speaker 1: But when you.
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  Speaker 2: Posted on next that you weren't happy with Pauline Hanson,
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  Speaker 2: you can't have missed, like I said, the fact that
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  Speaker 2: there were pages of comments, including by people who admire
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  Speaker 2: you like you follow you, that Hanson they backed her.
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  Speaker 2: So does that suggests to you that Hanson's stunt as
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  Speaker 2: you called it, as I've called it, will actually work?
• 12:51
  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 5: Did it work eight years ago? This is a recycled
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  Speaker 5: stunt Hendris who did this exact same things?
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean years ago that happens exactly?
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  Speaker 5: What hasn't worked? Has it delivered? Has it helped? Has
• 13:02
  Speaker 5: it helped glower migration in this country? Has she banned
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  Speaker 5: the Burker. No, she hasn't. What does she achieved from it?
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  Speaker 5: So I don't think it will work. And look in
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  Speaker 5: case you are others, I don't know. I'm not doing
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  Speaker 5: this to win a popularity contest online. I do what
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  Speaker 5: I do and I fight for it. I'm pretty forceful
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  Speaker 5: sometimes I have been tonight, But I do it because
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  Speaker 5: I think it's the right thing for our country. And
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  Speaker 5: I think the right thing for our country is not
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  Speaker 5: to debase our parliament like this, is to treat it
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  Speaker 5: as a sacred place. And so I don't like how
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  Speaker 5: this cheap in that chief and politics. I don't believe
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  Speaker 5: we should ridicule people by taking what they dress with
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  Speaker 5: and putting it on yourself as some kind of dress
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  Speaker 5: up play to make a political point. I do think
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  Speaker 5: that's disrespectful to Muslim Australians. It's ridiculing people, and I
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  Speaker 5: don't like that type of politics. I think we should
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  Speaker 5: have a serious debate about into about assimilation, and in
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  Speaker 5: that chamber, in the Senate Chamber just around the corner
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  Speaker 5: from where I am for you today, as a role
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: for deliberative and considered contributions about that issue. Unfortunately, this
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  Speaker 5: week Pauline and one nation have not contributed in that fashion.
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  Speaker 2: Now I want to turn to a topic that you
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  Speaker 2: suggested that I would not turn to, but I will.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Opposition Leader Susan Lee, I reckons she's found confidence in
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  Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks and also a target. Climate
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen, who's just been appointed
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  Speaker 2: the United Nations President of Climate Negotiations, skipped parliament yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Here is Susan Lee giving him the big welcome.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back to Australia. The Coalition thanks the full time
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  Speaker 4: president of COP thirty one negotiations for taking the time
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: today to make himself available and accountable to the Australian
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: Parliament in his capacity as part time Energy Minister. How
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: many days of parliament will the part time minister miss
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six and what will be the cost
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: to Australian taxpayers of the minister's full time presidential duties.
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  Speaker 8: When you are a patriotic party or government, do you
• 15:14
  Speaker 8: celebrate national successes whether you are in opposition or in governor.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Mat Canavan Chris Bone never got around to answering
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  Speaker 2: the actual question then or when it was asked later again,
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: how much will this cost? Australia. How many days will
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  Speaker 2: he spend away from Parliament on this other United Nations business?
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: But just on that point, he says it's good for
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  Speaker 2: Australia and patriots should support it. Are you a patriot?
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Do you support Chris Bone? Can you do both jobs
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  Speaker 2: and not one have one suffer? Well?
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Look, I agree with you, Andrew. I think Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 5: He's looked to excellent these first couple of days of
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  Speaker 5: Parliament because we've got something to fight for now. We've
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  Speaker 5: made this decision to oppose net zero. As I say,
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  Speaker 5: we've now got as many parliamentarians against this as ever
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  Speaker 5: as we ever have, and so it gives us a
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  Speaker 5: fighting chance. And the government here has no answers on
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: why the so called cheapest form of power that they
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  Speaker 5: call renewable energy is not delivering cheap power prices for
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  Speaker 5: Australians and they are instead focused now on getting global
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  Speaker 5: acclaim across the world for their green credentials rather than
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: focusing on the Australian people. We have now the decision
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  Speaker 5: we've made is a mp to oppose net zero is
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  Speaker 5: a clear decision to say we should run our energy
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: system for the benefit of Australians. We should run our
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: energy system to deliver the lowest possible prices for Australians. Instead,
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: this government is clearly, clearly, with the ascension of Saint
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  Speaker 5: Chris to this role, clearly decided that they should we
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  Speaker 5: should run our energy system in this country to win
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  Speaker 5: acclaim from the United Nations overseas. I don't think Istralian
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  Speaker 5: people agree with that. We've now got a clear dividing
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: line in Australian politics. It's a clear battle line. And
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  Speaker 5: as long as we keep fighting forcefully for this, I
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  Speaker 5: think we've got a chance of winning the next election.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: It'll be tough if we're running at base camp now,
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  Speaker 5: I've got to get up to Mount Everest, but we've
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  Speaker 5: got a fighting chance because we've got our fight back.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I don't want to in this interview in the same
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  Speaker 2: angry note as started, but I asked you to respect
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  Speaker 2: Chris Bone. It's not Saint Chris, it's President Chris. I
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: hope you've got that through the United Nations.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Try that next time, Andrew. We're still mates, mate.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: I'll have to bring the whiskey back. I'll have one
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  Speaker 5: of those with you next.
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  Speaker 2: Time, mate. You're always welcome you know that I don't
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: take any of it personally, and I've long said I've
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  Speaker 2: admire you and I want you back on the front bench.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time at Canavan. I
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: got to say there's plenty for Crispo to be for
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: sorting out right here and not overseas. Do you know
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: three wind farm companies now being found have asbestos in
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: their brake pads. Three wind farm companies so apparently using
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: quite a few wind farms around the country, So oh
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: my god, including in Tasmania and at the wind farm
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: that's presently ruining the beautiful landscape near Guanada in the
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: northern New South Wales. Now the rich, the human health
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: is said to be low. But Kracky, there's a concern
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: for you, isn't it. After the break, Chinese dictator sins
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump a rare invitation to come visit. What is
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: he cooking up? And now it's Taiwan's turn to ask
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: could Donald Trump sell us out? Too? First Ukraine, now Taiwan.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: See China's president Xixingping phone Trump yesterday, which is a
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: very unusual move for him to invite the US president
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: to Beijing in April, and Trump as I said a
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: poster that is accepted, saying that talked about the Ukraine
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Russia war as well as fentanyl and trading issues. Now,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: at their last meeting three months ago, Trump actually backed
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: down on this tariff war with China, and I reckonizin
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Ping is feeling lucky, and Chinese media is reporting that
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: in their phone call yesterday, the Chinese dictated this time
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: told Trump he wants democratic Taiwan given to China, a
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: point that's missing from Trump's account of the conversation. She
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: told him it was an important part of postwar international order.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Now she has threatened to invade Taiwan, and China right
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: now is even warning it will destroy Japan if it
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: goes through with its new Prome Minister's pledge to defend Tawan.
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: In that case, if for Japan dares to intervene literally
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: in the two Street situation, it will constitute an act
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: of aggression and China will strike back decisively. Those who
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: play with fire will perish by it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: As for this upcoming meeting, we all know how much
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Trump likes strong men, he loves deals, and hates wars.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: So would he gives you a nod a sign that
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Taiwan is China's if she could offer something big to Trump,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: and that plays into Ukraine because Trump is a really
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: told Ukraine to accept the surrender a piece that'll worked
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: out with Russia that slashes Ukraine's army and weapons and
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: forces it to give Russia even territory it hasn't managed
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: to conquer. Now, the good news here is that at
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: least Marco Rubio, Trump's secretary of State, is rejigging Trump's
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: peace plan, so it's now almost one hundred and eight
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: degrees different to the original document. Has reportedly removed things
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: like Ukraine giving up that unconquered territory and other things too.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: But now the job will of course be forcing Russian
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: President Vladimir Putin to agree, because in the end, I
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: think probably Trump just wants a deal he doesn't care
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: what's in it, and Trump could get help from China
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: on the exactly that point and give Trump the great
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: victory that he wants as a peacemaker. All the shows,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: of course, how unpredictable Trump is and liable to listen
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: to the last strong man that impressed him. But for
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: us now there is a wider warning, and for Taiwan too,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: China's growing role in foreign affairs. She seems keen now
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: to be part of a Ukrainian peace deal that Trump makes,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: now that it's closer than ever. But China is in
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: fact a big supporter and supplier of Russia, so who
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: knows where that'll go. And China always does seem to
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: side with evil. At lastly, he tried to break her
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: a deal between Hamas terrorists and the Palestinian authority that
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: would keep hamasim powering Gaza even the whole Palaestinian territory.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: China's not a defender of democracies, not in Taiwan, but
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: an enemy, and its new world order is not one
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: that is safe for Australia. Joining me is Donald Trump's
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: first White House spokesman, Sean Spicer. Sean Spicer, great to
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: see you. This meeting jijingping rings up, but Donald Trump says, hey,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: come over to Beijing and by the way, Taiwan, that's
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: a red line for US. And it comes comes just
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: as Donald Trump is negotiating a peace deal with Ukraine.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Do you think this is Jijiping trying to, you know,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: get involved in international politics, peace steels being made around him.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: He wants to be part of it.
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: It's nice that it's actually looks like it's locked down. Wanted,
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: you know, President Trump going to Beijing. As you recall,
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: I was at that meeting when in the first term
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: President she came to mar Laga. So we'll now go
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: back and then President Trump says he's locked down a
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: second meeting. But there's no question Shijingping is obviously trying
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: to throw a lot more into the onto the agenda,
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: whether it's you know, help on the Ukraine deal, Taiwan
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: rare earth minerals, There's going to be a lot. I mean,
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: the funny thing is, I'm surprised that it took this
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: long to state the obvious.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: What do you think the relationship between these two guys
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: is like at the moment, because I was struck at
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: the last meeting with about three months ago, Donald Trump
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: went out of his way to praise Jingping, say you know,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: what a great job he was doing, blah blah. Shijing
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Ping did not respond in kind, did not praise Donald
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Trump once. What's going on here? What's the balance of
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: power between these two guys.
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: Hijing Ping didn't look like he was having fun at either.
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: He didn't smile. I think in both cases it's about
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: domestic audiences first and foremost.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: So the easy one is Shijingping.
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: I think that he wants to portray strength to his
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: own people, that it doesn't look like he's standing up
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: to the American president, that it's not just friendly, that
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: it's business.
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: That's what they really want.
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: I think that's over all the Chinese and I think
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: for President Trump. You saw this with Zorhan Mandami here
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: in the United States. President Trump thinks not just things.
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: He likes to meet a challenge. So you tell him
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: that he can't get a deal with somebody, he wants
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: to get a deal even more, meet with that person,
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: engage with them. I think that one of the things
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: that is pretty obvious with President Trump, though, is that
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: too many people try to read.
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: Tea leaves on every meeting.
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: The bottom line is it's transactional. Donald Trump will always
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: sit down with people to have a meeting, but at
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: the end of the day, if you offend him, if
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: you cross him, he will come right after you two
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: seconds later.
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: The meeting is just that, it's a meeting.
• 24:29
  Speaker 8: Writ large, though, I think both guys get that there's
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: a lot of important issues, so that there's domestic constituencies,
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: as I mentioned that both are playing to But then
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: I think that at least from President Trump, from what
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: I can understand, and again I was there in the
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: first term, he does have a relationship with him. I
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: was there at that dinner with him in the first term.
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: I know that he has spoken with him afterwards. And
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: this is the thing that sometimes in the back of
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: your head, and this is true in business in foreign policy,
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: where you can develop a warm and comfortable relationship with someone,
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: but at the end of the day, you've got to remember,
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: a deal's a deal. What is it that is your
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: outside interest in this case obviously domestic constituencies.
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: Here in the United States. But I think they do
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: enjoy a warm personal friendship.
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: But I think especially in the case, that's using thing
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: he can't let people see that.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: In China.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I thought both George W. Bush and Donald
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Trump thought they had some sort of personal relationship with
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin, only to find out is a double crossing snake.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: But who who knows? I really think can't help but
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: think there's a link here between Donald Trump looking like
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: he's getting some sort of piece deal over Ukraine. We
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: don't know yet Putin's got to approve it as well.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: That's been worked out with Marco Rubio. China is Russia's
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: biggest friend, biggest ally, most dependent. It actually said it's
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Foreign Minister one said, we do not know, and into
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the war they would not suit us. What do you
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: think China would want from this? And where is this
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: piece the electually going?
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: Oh, first of all, it's multi dimensional.
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: You've got Russia, They've got interest in Venezuela, where the
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: president's obviously considering military actions. I mean, there's a lot
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: that China is working on. I have a feeling that
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: this you mentioned this earlier, Angre, and I think you
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: were right on when you.
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: Said it the first time.
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: I think this is all going to come back to Taiwan, right,
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: which is, Hey, you have some interest in Ukraine, we
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: have a lot of sway over Russia. You've got some
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: interest in Venezuela. We've got some relationship and sway over Maduro.
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: But I'll tell you what, why don't we trade all
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: that for us reunifying what we believe is rightfully China's
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: in Taiwan. So I believe that this will ultimately all
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: come down to Taiwan.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: That's a very interesting observation, Sean Spiser, little less scared time,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: which I must say, like most of Europe has not
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: done enough for its own defense and has relied a
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: bit too much on America. Let's see what it does there.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Do you think they should worry about Donald Trump selling
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: them out?
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: Here's the reality and this again this is all unclassified information.
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: But when you realize the reality of this, which is
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: China's going to do it, it's a question of when.
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: Then the big existential question is will the United States
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: have their back?
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: When you look at all of these models.
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: That have been forecast out about what a war at
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: sea would cost, lives in Taiwan, lives to the US military,
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: infrastructure of the US military, both in terms of land
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: assets and obviously ships, it doesn't look good. And so
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: the question really is how long are we going to
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: kick the can down the road? I mean, that's what's
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: happening in Taiwan, as you mentioned, really hasn't done enough
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: to step up. But here's the one thing that we
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: have that we have to keep in mind. Taiwan controls
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: basically the entirety of the chip making capabilities in the
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: US and in the world. And right now the US
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: is at least, by probably the best case scenario, five
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: years behind even these plants and these investments that have
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: been made in Arizona. Any realistic person who knows the
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: issue suggests that probably you're looking closer to eight to
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: ten years.
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: But let's just say five years. We're still not that capable.
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: And do you really, the United States or anyone else
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: want to put your entire technological lot in with Taiwan
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: and hoping that China will continue to give you access
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: to it. I don't think so. And that's the one
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: thing that we can't let go lose sight of.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Absolutely correct, Joan Spicer, thank you so much for your.
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: Time, you bet Andrew, thank you for having me again.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: After the break. The Albaneza government is now quietly secing
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: public servants, just six months after an election campaign where
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: it to attack the Liberals for wanting to do just that.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: What a joke to read today that the Albanizi governors
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: launched an austerity drive and in the public service hundreds
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: of jobs must go, thousands the governor's run out of
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: your money. I think now this is a joke for
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: two reasons. One, austerity from this government are who really
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: is actually hired an extra thirty eight thousand public servants
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: in just three years and paid them so much more
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: that the bill for them all has jumped ten percent
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: two years ago and another nine and a half percent
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: in the last financial year.
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: And two.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Here is this government now quietly wanted to cut the
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: public service, just six months after an election campaign where
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: it warned that this is exactly what those wicked liberals
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: would do.
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: Here we are backing Australia's future. They're sacking Australian public servants.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: There Even Labor ends back then about how those nasty
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: cut cut cut liberals wanted to sack public servants. The
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: public servants, so labor is now cutting itself.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: His cuts to Medicare will make our health system more
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: like America. His job cuts will destroy public services. Our
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: economy is only just recovering from the skyrocketing inflation.
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: And trillion dollar debt left by the last Liberal government.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: There's nothing stable about in Australia under Dune. He cuts you.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Pay join me a Skye New's host the NIKA to
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Georgia and Mia Schlift of the Institute of Public Affairs MIA.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: What's the message here? Liberals? Sack public servants. Bad Labour
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: sacks public servants.
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: Good.
• 30:54
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Look, labor doesn't play fair.
• 30:56
  Speaker 12: We know this.
• 30:56
  Speaker 11: When they're prosecuting a policy or an argument or a campaign.
• 31:00
  Speaker 11: It's not grounded in principle or in value. It's about winning.
• 31:04
  Speaker 11: At the end of the day. Labor is a campaign machine.
• 31:07
  Speaker 12: So during the time of.
• 31:08
  Speaker 11: The federal election, it suited them to spin this narrative
• 31:11
  Speaker 11: that the Liberal Party was going to cut all this
• 31:13
  Speaker 11: public service jobs and that was going to lead to
• 31:15
  Speaker 11: disastrous outcomes for so many Australians. But now that they're
• 31:19
  Speaker 11: in a position where they've run the economy into the
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: ground and they're basically run out of all money and
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: they're looking to pinch pennies wherever they can, it's now
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: suiting their position to start talking about public service cuts.
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: The problem is is at the time the Liberal Party
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: didn't prosecute the argument. They ran away from it. But
• 31:36
  Speaker 11: I mean to cool this austerity cuts. Are we living
• 31:40
  Speaker 11: in La la Land? I mean, come on to put
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: the problem in context. In the last financial year, the
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: public service has grown by three point two six percent.
• 31:50
  Speaker 11: Now that is double the amount the Australian population grew
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: in that same time. The public service. The growth to
• 31:56
  Speaker 11: the public service is a huge problem. It's hurting all Australians.
• 32:01
  Speaker 11: I think it's a shame that we're not taking this
• 32:02
  Speaker 11: problem more seriously.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: You could fill a reasonable size Country Years Center with
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: the number of public servants hired by this government three years, Danika,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: But what do you make of this austerity drive?
• 32:18
  Speaker 12: It really is a comedy skit show.
• 32:20
  Speaker 13: You know what I most vividly remember from the last
• 32:22
  Speaker 13: election that we had this year Andrew was Peter Dunton
• 32:26
  Speaker 13: put forward a plan for Doge style cuts and I
• 32:29
  Speaker 13: think it was a very sensible type of plan, given
• 32:31
  Speaker 13: that the public service has become a behemoth. And what
• 32:34
  Speaker 13: did Labor and Anthony Albinezi do. They painted him as
• 32:38
  Speaker 13: Donald Trump two point zero look out if you work
• 32:41
  Speaker 13: for the public service, Donald Trump two point zho aka
• 32:44
  Speaker 13: Peter Dutton is coming after you. And clearly it was
• 32:47
  Speaker 13: successful and I do agree with me that the Coalition
• 32:50
  Speaker 13: did not prosecute this properly. So Peter Dutton has gone
• 32:53
  Speaker 13: and now six months later Labour's done a copy and
• 32:56
  Speaker 13: paste effort, but under the guise of a positive austerity drive.
• 33:01
  Speaker 13: I mean, you just can't make this stuff up and
• 33:03
  Speaker 13: the reason why it has had no choice because this
• 33:06
  Speaker 13: government has run the economy into the ground.
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: It has gone flat.
• 33:10
  Speaker 13: Government spending now makes up twenty seven percent of GDP
• 33:14
  Speaker 13: twenty seven percent, and now Labour's got a hand down
• 33:17
  Speaker 13: a midyear budget review next month in December, and they're
• 33:20
  Speaker 13: probably thinking, Gee, it doesn't look too good at all.
• 33:24
  Speaker 12: The public service is a monster.
• 33:25
  Speaker 13: There's more than one million across the country that's both federally,
• 33:29
  Speaker 13: state and local. But the problem is Andrew, is that
• 33:32
  Speaker 13: Labor federally have spent money on all sorts of bizarre things,
• 33:35
  Speaker 13: not only inflating departments, but they're also doing cultural drives
• 33:41
  Speaker 13: that They've even put a survey out suggesting that now
• 33:44
  Speaker 13: there's been a huge increase in the amount of people
• 33:47
  Speaker 13: who identify as gender X in the public service as
• 33:50
  Speaker 13: opposed to male and female.
• 33:51
  Speaker 12: Mean that is where their priorities are.
• 33:53
  Speaker 13: So government spending is at record levels, inflation's gone up
• 33:57
  Speaker 13: because of it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 12: The public sector is completely inflated.
• 34:00
  Speaker 13: It means that every day Aussies are reliant on the
• 34:03
  Speaker 13: government and we're all paying the price.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get to philosophical mayor on the show,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: but I'm going to give it a burl. The Prime
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Minister today made a very telling admission and by accident
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: really it was a bit surprised and only cottoned on
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: when the opposition started laughing. It calls the raucus today
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: when he was responding to a question about his lack
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: of action on gaming ads.
• 34:32
  Speaker 10: Here is I think the member for her question to
• 34:37
  Speaker 10: Maya's Prime Minister. But I'm also leader of the Australian
• 34:40
  Speaker 10: Labor Party and we are a political party, not a
• 34:44
  Speaker 10: bunch of individuals. And what we do and what we.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Do we do is we make we make decisions.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Me and your response to that admission that Labor is
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: not the party for individuals, you were just looking at
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: members of a tribe there or going bah yeah.
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: Look, this admission didn't really shock me at all. We
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: all know that the Labor Party is not the party
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: for individuals. It's well known that you either toe the
• 35:14
  Speaker 11: party line or you get kicked out. So in that way,
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: the admission did not shock me at all. But look,
• 35:19
  Speaker 11: the Labor Party for a long time it has represented,
• 35:23
  Speaker 11: it has been the political wing for the trade union movement.
• 35:26
  Speaker 11: It is there to represent sectional interests. As plain and
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: simple as that. And now as labor involvement in the
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: private sector has diminished, they have run around trying to
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: represent any kind of left wing sectional interests that they
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: can gather together. And that's what they're to do. They
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: are not there to represent the interests of individuals.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Honestly, Danika, when I hear that, I'm reminded back in
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: the day when a couple of labor ministers talking previous governments,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: of course, would talk to me about how they were
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: by Labour's global warming policies even then, even then, and
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I wonder when I hear things like that, how many
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: are quietly seething of what this party is doing, but
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: don't dare speak out against this tribal culture.
• 36:15
  Speaker 13: Well no, I mean they probably are sitting back a
• 36:17
  Speaker 13: home going, goodness me, what's happened?
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 36:19
  Speaker 13: When I listened to that quote, Andrew, well, I feel
• 36:22
  Speaker 13: like it's open to interpretation. I interpreted it in two ways.
• 36:27
  Speaker 13: One it was as if to say, you know, we
• 36:29
  Speaker 13: are the collective, we are the socialist movement. I mean,
• 36:31
  Speaker 13: I just spoke about there being a culture of dependency
• 36:34
  Speaker 13: in this country right now on labor, that is one example.
• 36:38
  Speaker 13: But then the other example, I thought the exact quote
• 36:40
  Speaker 13: was we are a political party and not a bunch
• 36:42
  Speaker 13: of individuals.
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: Well, when I think of individuals in.
• 36:44
  Speaker 13: The Labor Party, what a fantastic week to be talking
• 36:47
  Speaker 13: about individuals. I mean Chris Bowen, number one individual and
• 36:50
  Speaker 13: the Labor Party off on a vanity trip becoming Australia's
• 36:54
  Speaker 13: first part time energy minister on.
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: A fly and flyout basis. So I think there are a.
• 36:59
  Speaker 13: Lot of individual rules right now within that party, I
• 37:01
  Speaker 13: would say, so open to interpretation.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Well there is that, But back to where the business
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: of the day. Pauline Hanson's burker stunt just yesterday. Now
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: the opposition has joined Labor in the Greens and attacking it,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: and in attacking Barnaby Joyce is just about to announces
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: joining Hanson's One Nation party. Obviously the coalitionist thinking or
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: hoping that Hanson went so far that this is the
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: time her balloon pops and they must help pop it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: How do you read it. Has Hanson's stunt hurt One Nation,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: has it helped it or neither?
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: Well, look, I think it'll be the same time as
• 37:47
  Speaker 11: when she ran this stunt last time. There'll be a
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: very vocal group who is in support of the stunt,
• 37:52
  Speaker 11: and they'll be a very vocal group who is against
• 37:54
  Speaker 11: the stunt. But ultimately whether this ends up helping or
• 37:57
  Speaker 11: hurting paul En Hanson, I think will depend on how
• 38:00
  Speaker 11: she continues on with the argument and how she prosecutes it,
• 38:02
  Speaker 11: because I do think she has a very valid point
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: to make here, and that's regardless of whether you agree
• 38:08
  Speaker 11: with banning the burker or not. If we put that
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: to one side, the fact is she is a Senator
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: and she has the right to table this motion, and
• 38:16
  Speaker 11: she has the right to debate the issue and make
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: her argument, and she was not allowed to make the argument.
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: And I think there are so many mainstream Australians out
• 38:24
  Speaker 11: there right now who are sick and tired of not
• 38:28
  Speaker 11: being able to make their argument, whether that's to do
• 38:30
  Speaker 11: with climate change, whether that's to do with immigration or
• 38:33
  Speaker 11: social cohesion. We have an extremely arrogant government who thinks
• 38:38
  Speaker 11: it is okay to shut down debate when it is
• 38:41
  Speaker 11: an issue that they don't feel good about, and that
• 38:44
  Speaker 11: is where I think Pauline Hanson might gain some support
• 38:46
  Speaker 11: here amongst mainstream Australians who are tired of being shut down.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Honestly, Deniki also kicking her out, I get people upset
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: with the gesture of where in the burker right, and
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: there'll be people quite upset about it. But kicking out
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: an elected MP of senator for a week, stifling her
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: ability to represent the state that she was elected to
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: serve strikes me. It's a little over the top.
• 39:16
  Speaker 12: Of course it is.
• 39:16
  Speaker 13: And even though she's been censured, it's not going to
• 39:18
  Speaker 13: get rid of this topic. People are still going to
• 39:20
  Speaker 13: talk about it. I mean, that is the topic of
• 39:21
  Speaker 13: the day. You go out for lunch, people are talking
• 39:23
  Speaker 13: about it. You've got family and friends talking about it.
• 39:26
  Speaker 13: So well done to the left and the right of politics.
• 39:29
  Speaker 13: It's not going to go anywhere. Look, I actually think
• 39:31
  Speaker 13: this has helped her cause greatly, to be honest. I mean,
• 39:34
  Speaker 13: Pauline Hanson is one of only a very few number
• 39:36
  Speaker 13: of politicians who are willing to say and do what
• 39:41
  Speaker 13: she's thinking and without fear or favor. I mean, she
• 39:45
  Speaker 13: puts herself out there and risks being called a racist,
• 39:48
  Speaker 13: and she doesn't care because she's passionate about the topic.
• 39:52
  Speaker 13: She's a politician, she was elected to do so, and
• 39:55
  Speaker 13: I say good on her. I mean, you know, in
• 39:57
  Speaker 13: the end, more than twenty countries around the world have
• 40:01
  Speaker 13: banned the burker, A lot of them are Muslim nations.
• 40:04
  Speaker 13: So she is right to put forward this debate in
• 40:07
  Speaker 13: this country. You don't have to agree with it. She
• 40:09
  Speaker 13: tried to put it forward in the Senate, it was
• 40:11
  Speaker 13: shut down. Was it a stunt on her part? Yes,
• 40:14
  Speaker 13: it was, But it's not like we haven't seen stunts
• 40:16
  Speaker 13: recently in the Senate. Look at Marine Ferruki wearing a cafe,
• 40:19
  Speaker 13: Sarah Hanson Young bringing a dead fish into Parliament.
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: But it also comes at a time.
• 40:23
  Speaker 13: Where there are a lot of issues that are red
• 40:25
  Speaker 13: hot that she's talking about.
• 40:26
  Speaker 12: Look at migration for example.
• 40:28
  Speaker 13: I mean, there have been some people brought into this
• 40:31
  Speaker 13: country whose values do not align with a Western democracy.
• 40:34
  Speaker 13: We are a Western democracy, we are a democratic country.
• 40:37
  Speaker 12: We have the right to have these debates.
• 40:39
  Speaker 13: I think that what happened in the Senate by centering
• 40:42
  Speaker 13: her is appalling. It's not going to go anywhere. In fact,
• 40:45
  Speaker 13: I think this will just empower her more.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Well, if they just let us speak for five minutes,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: it'll all be over. I doubt anyone would have even
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: reported it. Danika to Georgia Miershlei, thank you very much
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: to you both. After the break, Nigel Farah under pressure
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: as former schoolmates dish the dirt and Nunchra Farrage if
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: you believe the Poles looks up pulling off an astonishing
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: revolution in Britain and now comes the attempts to destroy him. Now,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: forranch Is, the leader of the anti immigration Reform Party.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: In the latest Pols's Reform would win more seats than
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: every other party combined. It has only five at the moment,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: and almost wipe out the Conservatives if there was election today,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: which there isn't, leaving the Conservatives with just fourteen seats,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: but with the Farage threat looming, The left wing Guardian
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: has found twenty people who were students with Farage at
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Dultch College nearly fifty years ago, and they say he
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: racially abused them. Jew said he'd tell them Hitler was
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: right gas them all. He told colored students allegedly to
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: leave Britain and he picked on them. Got to say
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Forges yesterday, we're't convincing. The question is did you ever
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: racially abuse fellow pupils.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: And not with int, not with intent?
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: What do you mean I don' understand what you mean
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: by that.
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: What does what does that mean?
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't do? But what does that mean? No?
• 42:16
  Speaker 11: No?
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: What?
• 42:17
  Speaker 12: No?
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I have never directly really tried to go and hurt anybody.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: But you're opening the door there to perhaps you did
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: it with.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Have I said things? Have I said things fifty years
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: ago that you could interpret as being a bands are
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: in a playground that you could interpret in the modern
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: light a day in some sort of way. Yes, But
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: isn't it funny?
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: Okay?
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: She did say stuff to these people, though I've never
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: directly racially abused anybody.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: No.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Joining me from London is writer comments and broadcast? Is
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: the crak is there? The allegations are ugly, the denials
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: a week. But I guess we are talking about the
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: behavior of someone nearly fifty years ago, back when he
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: was a teenager. How mutually it's heard Faraj and the
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: support for his reform Paddy, do you think?
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: No?
• 43:02
  Speaker 14: Absolutely not, And it's even ridiculous that he's being forced
• 43:05
  Speaker 14: to respond to this. The Guardian managed to find twenty
• 43:09
  Speaker 14: people that went to the same school as him, which,
• 43:11
  Speaker 14: given the quality of their journalism, I would even treat
• 43:14
  Speaker 14: that skeptically and suddenly they're all singing from a hymn sheet.
• 43:17
  Speaker 14: You have to remember nature Farrage has been in British
• 43:19
  Speaker 14: politics for decades. If the Conservatives could have pinned him
• 43:23
  Speaker 14: with something that would paint him as the absolute racist
• 43:25
  Speaker 14: that they've been trying for years to do unsuccessfully, they
• 43:29
  Speaker 14: would have done so. I find it interesting that the
• 43:32
  Speaker 14: Guardian managed to fish out twenty people that can even
• 43:34
  Speaker 14: remember they went to school with Laijah Faraje and are
• 43:36
  Speaker 14: all saying, yes, he said something racist to me. Apart
• 43:39
  Speaker 14: from the fact that he is pointing it out to
• 43:42
  Speaker 14: maybe it's a secondary school banter, which you can understand.
• 43:45
  Speaker 14: I mean, teenagers say ridiculous things all the time. It's
• 43:49
  Speaker 14: so ludicrous the lengths that they would go to to
• 43:52
  Speaker 14: try and pin some dirt on this man who has
• 43:54
  Speaker 14: been in the British public eye for decades, who is
• 43:56
  Speaker 14: the leading force behind Brexit, who for years the Conservatives
• 43:59
  Speaker 14: have tried to pin something on and have it managed
• 44:01
  Speaker 14: to do so. I don't think the Guardian is going
• 44:03
  Speaker 14: to be any less successful. And you know, the idea
• 44:05
  Speaker 14: that reform is basically such a threat to the Conservatives
• 44:09
  Speaker 14: that they're looking at extinction territory and the next general election,
• 44:12
  Speaker 14: which could be happening sooner rather than later, especially depending
• 44:16
  Speaker 14: on the disaster that is this Labor government. It's not
• 44:19
  Speaker 14: surprising I think the real threat really from reformers for
• 44:22
  Speaker 14: the Labor Party because in many seats in eight and
• 44:26
  Speaker 14: about ninety eight seats from the last election they came
• 44:29
  Speaker 14: second in Labor constituencies. The Conservative Party didn't even exist
• 44:33
  Speaker 14: to much of the Red wall in Britain. So you know,
• 44:38
  Speaker 14: this is probably a sort of smear empathetically coordinated smear
• 44:42
  Speaker 14: campaign that's been conducted, I would assume by the Labor Party,
• 44:45
  Speaker 14: which is probably scared of reform and we're going to
• 44:47
  Speaker 14: see a really disaster as set of local elections next
• 44:51
  Speaker 14: year in May, and this is probably primary in the
• 44:53
  Speaker 14: ground for that. But I feel a bit sorry for
• 44:55
  Speaker 14: Nigel that he even has to entertain these sorts of
• 44:58
  Speaker 14: allegations and has to be forced to make some responsing
• 45:01
  Speaker 14: and may have said something when I was a teenager
• 45:03
  Speaker 14: of fifty years ago, what did you have for dinner
• 45:05
  Speaker 14: last night?
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Do you even remember?
• 45:07
  Speaker 14: But this is where we are in British politics, when
• 45:08
  Speaker 14: they're scared of the real threat instead of addressing the
• 45:10
  Speaker 14: concerns of voters.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: So I'm taking from that that while you're not impressed,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: what you don't think voters would be either.
• 45:21
  Speaker 14: I don't think voters care. I mean, the state of
• 45:24
  Speaker 14: Britain is so disastrous at the moment. The only thing
• 45:27
  Speaker 14: that seems to be working is is a parking wardens.
• 45:30
  Speaker 14: The only thing that works in Britain. The only thing
• 45:33
  Speaker 14: that works in favor of anyone is local councils being
• 45:36
  Speaker 14: able to squeeze as much money from their residents in
• 45:39
  Speaker 14: the form of parking fines and other ridiculous forms of
• 45:41
  Speaker 14: extortion than actually a functioning state, like collecting bins for example,
• 45:46
  Speaker 14: like you know, prosecuting people that go on stabbing individuals,
• 45:49
  Speaker 14: like actual things that concern British citizens. The fact that
• 45:52
  Speaker 14: the Guardian journalists managed to trudge up twenty people that
• 45:54
  Speaker 14: are willing to say without a shred of evidence that
• 45:57
  Speaker 14: Niger Faraj may have made racist commons than when they
• 46:00
  Speaker 14: were in secondary school almost fifty years ago is so
• 46:02
  Speaker 14: pathetic it's almost laughable.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: There was some extraordinary news in the last couple of
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: days in Britain. Last year, your National Health Service ban
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: puberty blockers for children thinking for children who were thinking
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: they were transgender because the claims, and we had them
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: here too, that these drugs, oh, it's safe, it's reversible,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: seemed actually wrong, scene based on no good science, seemed
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: actually quite dangerously wrong. Now your same health service is
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: actually going to use up to two hundred and twenty
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: children as guinea pigs. I'll give some of them these drugs,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: some of them not, and then see what happens. I
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: find this shocking, or it's treating children with dangerous drugs
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: as sort of tests. Is that how science actually advances?
• 46:54
  Speaker 14: Well, if you ever in doubt about the kind of
• 46:58
  Speaker 14: group think and any scientific communities across the world or
• 47:03
  Speaker 14: the developed world, this is probably the biggest example, because
• 47:06
  Speaker 14: I'm surprised that this has even got through an ethics committee.
• 47:09
  Speaker 14: If they wanted to see the effect of puberty blockers,
• 47:11
  Speaker 14: they can just go back to the children that were
• 47:13
  Speaker 14: treated like guinea pigs at the now shut down Gender
• 47:16
  Speaker 14: Tavistock Clinic and see what happened there. The fact that
• 47:19
  Speaker 14: they are looking into things like it's impact on bone density,
• 47:23
  Speaker 14: for example, or it's just indicative that they're looking for
• 47:26
  Speaker 14: negative side effects. Well, if that's the case, then this
• 47:28
  Speaker 14: is not something that should be safe. You shouldn't have
• 47:30
  Speaker 14: to test cyanide on someone to realize that sinide is
• 47:33
  Speaker 14: not a good thing. And the most surprising thing is
• 47:36
  Speaker 14: what they say they're investigating, which is gender incongruence, which
• 47:39
  Speaker 14: is the new fashionable way of saying gender dysphoria.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: The term keeps evolving. We don't even even.
• 47:43
  Speaker 14: Know what's the acceptable term now. But instead of actually
• 47:46
  Speaker 14: investigating the cause of gender dysphoria or this discomfort with
• 47:51
  Speaker 14: one's gender, they're looking for ways to treat it that
• 47:53
  Speaker 14: clearly have very negative side effects. They can just go
• 47:56
  Speaker 14: back to all the children that were treated at these
• 47:59
  Speaker 14: at the Tavistock Clinic and see the impact on them.
• 48:00
  Speaker 14: Why do they have to test a new set of
• 48:02
  Speaker 14: kids and they don't even have any boundaries or in
• 48:04
  Speaker 14: terms of age limits. So these are preprebused children. So
• 48:07
  Speaker 14: if something from as young as the age of ten
• 48:09
  Speaker 14: or eleven, they haven't ruled out children with autism or
• 48:13
  Speaker 14: with a history of trauma or in the care system.
• 48:16
  Speaker 14: Even people that don't have parental consent can somehow maneuver
• 48:20
  Speaker 14: their way through this study because they can have the
• 48:21
  Speaker 14: consent of their social care worker or temporary guardian and
• 48:25
  Speaker 14: that counts as consent. I mean, this whole study is
• 48:28
  Speaker 14: a disaster and the fact that West Treating is letting
• 48:30
  Speaker 14: it happen, our Health Minister, just shows how weak the
• 48:34
  Speaker 14: state is when it actually comes to protecting.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Children, absolutely and how determined the lobby is to keep
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: treating them or treating them, keep using them as pawns
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: in their ideological games. This is the correct Thank you
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: so much for your time. That's it for me, Sherry
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: maxon up next. Good Night,