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Assessing Eagles Training Camp (PST Episode 630) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest
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  Speaker 1: running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world, twelve
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  Speaker 1: years strong. We got a great show coming your way
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  Speaker 1: this week. I'm Jeff Warren. Here are my good buddy
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  Speaker 1: Len Hunsicker, a friend. You have been gone for some time,
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  Speaker 1: You've been on vacation, You've been just trapping all around.
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  Speaker 1: It is good to see you. How was How was
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  Speaker 1: your trift?
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  Speaker 2: I got to the I got out of the Outer
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  Speaker 2: Banks like a week before the storms supposed to hit.
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 2: I got to go on the beach and in the
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  Speaker 2: water and everything, And apparently you can't do that now
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  Speaker 2: down there. So yeah, I went at the right time.
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  Speaker 2: My family had done that in the past in like
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  Speaker 2: South Carolina, where yeah, they like rented a house during
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  Speaker 2: like hurricane season. Yeah, and it's you're just courting fate
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  Speaker 2: in terms of having your vacation ruins. But like I just, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's always a roll of the dice when you do that.
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  Speaker 1: It is. And look, I was actually thinking about you
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  Speaker 1: in terms of that being down there is like is
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  Speaker 1: he actually going to be able to enjoy himself? Because
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  Speaker 1: for some reason, when you roll the dice at times,
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  Speaker 1: my friend, you don't always have the best lucky No
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  Speaker 1: flucked out for you though. Yeah, I couldn't believe it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it was good. Yeah. Fortunately we just went
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  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks before all the whole thing with
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  Speaker 2: Aaron started going down and uh yeah, so yeah, so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad I got down there. When I did. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't like hot, like like we were out on the
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  Speaker 2: beach and had some beach days, but it wasn't like,
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  Speaker 2: oh man, I'm dying to get in the water because
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  Speaker 2: it's like ninety degrees. It was like eighty two. Like
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  Speaker 2: the whole time. It was as hot as it got.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: It was good. It was nice.
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  Speaker 1: You were up in Maine too with your wife. You
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  Speaker 1: and Kristin were up in Maine.
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  Speaker 2: Well, No, that was that was like that was last year.
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  Speaker 1: I thought you were up in Maine for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: This year, I don't know what that. Well I was
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  Speaker 1: thinking about. No, I don't know what kind of money
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  Speaker 1: you think I made. No, God, I wish I was.
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  Speaker 1: You mean, you're not making a ton of money from
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  Speaker 1: that trucking company that you work for. No, did I
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  Speaker 1: think you were in Maine too? For I thought you
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  Speaker 1: were in both places. I was like, boy, we've got
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  Speaker 1: ourselves old traveler here.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, main, Maine was last summer. So yeah, we're
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  Speaker 2: either last summer or two summer. Want to say last
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  Speaker 2: think it was last summer? Yeah, but I know for
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  Speaker 2: fact it wasn't this summer.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, maybe maybe christ maybe Kristin was posting
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  Speaker 1: some stories about Maine last year and I was thinking
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  Speaker 1: it was this year. I think that might be the issue. Probably,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what was happening. Memory. He's, yeah, all right, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: nobody needs to hear that. But yeah, seriously, buddy, it's
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  Speaker 1: great to have you back. When Eric is up at
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  Speaker 1: the University of Buffalo right now moving his daughter into college,
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Holy cav he's he's in for it. Tomorrow. I knows
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  Speaker 2: tears are going to be flowing. I can imagine it. Now.
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  Speaker 1: My daughters are heading into high school just a week, freaking.
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  Speaker 2: Doing a couple of years unless they go to Lehigh
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  Speaker 2: and then they're just always around.
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  Speaker 1: Mate, Well let's have him live on campus. How about
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  Speaker 1: that if they're two miles down the road. Yeah all right, Well, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: we got a great show for you here. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to certainly be getting into some Phillies talk. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to dive into Zach Wheeler, that really scary health situation
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  Speaker 1: that he's been going through. He's on the IR Aaron
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  Speaker 1: Nola's back, but man has he struggled, of course in
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  Speaker 1: his first outing when he was on the mound. Alec
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  Speaker 1: Boum is back. Can he provide another spark to this
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  Speaker 1: Phillies offense that has been producing as of late. But
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  Speaker 1: it's good to have Alec Bohm back. And then from there,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna get into some Flyers talk. It's been a
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  Speaker 1: while since we talked about this team, but the Flyers
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  Speaker 1: prospects and some of these guys in the farm system,
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  Speaker 1: they are poised to take a step forward under the
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  Speaker 1: Phantom's new system that's gonna be in place. We really
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  Speaker 1: haven't talked about the new head coach for the Flyers,
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  Speaker 1: but we're certainly gonna be diving into that a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more. And then we've got a ton of Eagles
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  Speaker 1: talk this week. The Eagles definitely appear to have their
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  Speaker 1: next starting safety in Andrew mccooba after as he's just
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  Speaker 1: had a fantastic preseason thus far. But even though that
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  Speaker 1: position seems to be solidified, what is going to happen
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  Speaker 1: with that number two cornerback position. Got some good news
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  Speaker 1: in the secondary, some challenges and some unknowns. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: dive into that as well. Then we're thrown down on
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  Speaker 1: the table this week. Friend of the pod Tommy from
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  Speaker 1: a Daily Dose of Eagles over on Twitter slash x.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna be joining us to dive into Eagles training camp,
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  Speaker 1: some of the storylines we've been following, what's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: coming this season with some positions on the team. We
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  Speaker 1: got a great conversation with Tommy that's gonna be starting. So, Len,
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  Speaker 1: let's dive into this Phillies team. It's been a while
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  Speaker 1: since you and I have talked about this team, buddy,
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  Speaker 1: because it's been an up and down season of course
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  Speaker 1: for them. They're currently still a top of the NL
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  Speaker 1: East at this time of us recording this on August nineteenth,
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  Speaker 1: we're recording this Tuesday night. I know this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be dropping on Thursday this week, Len, but let's
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  Speaker 1: start off with Zach Wheeler. He goes on the IR
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  Speaker 1: with a pretty scary injury. Like I said, he was
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  Speaker 1: diagnosed with a blood clot near his right shoulder. Over
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  Speaker 1: the weekend, underwent a procedure down at Thomas University Hospital,
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  Speaker 1: and timeline has not been determined on whether or not
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna be coming back. I mean, it's not clear
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  Speaker 1: when or if Wheeler is going to pitch again this
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  Speaker 1: season as he deals with this pretty pretty significant medical
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  Speaker 1: issue here. As Matt Strump said, he really is the
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  Speaker 1: heart of this team, the heart of the staff, and
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  Speaker 1: this is really tough to see. Man, I'm really concerned
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  Speaker 1: about what this means for the Phillies moving forward.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's really tough. And the word that you
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  Speaker 2: use there that I think is huge, as if because
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  Speaker 2: I was reading a little bit about you know, this
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  Speaker 2: whole thing, and the blood clot was removed in the surgery,
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  Speaker 2: so it's it's out, but you know, down now there's
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  Speaker 2: recovery and now there's monitoring to make sure, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a clock doesn't come back and all this, from what
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  Speaker 2: I understand, is caused by repetitive moching, which is all
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  Speaker 2: that pitching is basically. So yeah, and I've heard the
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  Speaker 2: recovery time can be three months. So in that case,
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  Speaker 2: he's done, you know, they can they can go as
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  Speaker 2: deep as they want. He's still done at that point
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  Speaker 2: in time. So yeah, it's not a good scenario at all.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're you're you're talking about a guy that
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  Speaker 2: you know, I know he doesn't have a cy Young
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  Speaker 2: in his in his you know, cabinet there. But if
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  Speaker 2: you had a cy Young Award for the previous five years,
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  Speaker 2: not just one year, but just previous five years of
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  Speaker 2: pitching in the National League, it's Zach Wheeler and there's
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  Speaker 2: not a close second.
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  Speaker 1: Yea.
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  Speaker 2: He is the best pitcher in the National League over
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  Speaker 2: the past five years combined. So that's a lot to
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  Speaker 2: lose fortunately. I mean Christopher Sanchez, man, he has just
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to say come out of nowhere, because
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  Speaker 2: he was great last year too, But man, I remember
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  Speaker 2: when he first came up and came up with the
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  Speaker 2: Phills and just I just thought, Okay, he's a guy
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  Speaker 2: and he's going to be a guy that like is
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  Speaker 2: on the bust between Philly and Lehigh Valley quite often.
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  Speaker 2: He's he's just a guy. I never thought thing about him,
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  Speaker 2: And man, has he proven that he's he's a frontline
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  Speaker 2: starting pitcher. He's he's probably gonna be their number one
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  Speaker 2: starter in the postseason.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Look, Len, we don't don't. We don't like
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  Speaker 1: to do a lot of hot takes on this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I am finding hot takes anymore online, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's Twitter, x wherever, to be so freaking annoying anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we're getting to this stage in social media
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  Speaker 1: where it's like, Okay, hot takes get so old. But
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we really do. I think, from a feeling
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  Speaker 1: standpoint about Zach Wheeler, have to ask those questions, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because we feel it within us. Can this team actually
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  Speaker 1: do it? Can they get to the NLCS? Can they
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  Speaker 1: actually and potentially get to the World Series without having
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  Speaker 1: Zach Wheeler pitching? I don't think that can happen. And
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  Speaker 1: I know it's a hot take, and I just look
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  Speaker 1: at the reality of what this team wanted to be,
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  Speaker 1: what the front office wanted this team to be in
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  Speaker 1: the off season. It was all about pitching because you
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  Speaker 1: had these two guys in Chris Sanchez and Zach Wheeler
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  Speaker 1: being able to really be that anchor for you. You
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  Speaker 1: lose one of those guys. I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 1: possible for them to be able to get through this
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  Speaker 1: postseason in a in a productive fashion from a pitching standpoint,
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  Speaker 1: I just thought, I don't think it can happen. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, That's what I'm that ringing.
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  Speaker 2: Makes it harder.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, we absolutely, but I just don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it can happen. Again. I hate doing the hot take thing,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just something I'm feeling within myself. I'm like, Man,
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  Speaker 1: you lose Zach Wheeler during the postseason, how are you
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  Speaker 1: gonna get it done? Because we're going to be getting
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  Speaker 1: into Aaron Nolan in a second. And I know he's
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  Speaker 1: only had one start since his return as of us
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  Speaker 1: recording this, but man, that was not promising well.
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  Speaker 2: And before I get into Nola, I mean, yes, losing
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  Speaker 2: Wheeler is enormous. It's gigantic and it sucks. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think that Sanchez can be, you know, a number
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  Speaker 2: one star starter in the postseason. Suarez has been good
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  Speaker 2: in the past. I think Zardo is a good arm.
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  Speaker 2: Nola we're going to see about. To me, the bigger
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  Speaker 2: concern I guess I always had with regard to the
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  Speaker 2: Phillies in the postseason is the bats just tend to
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  Speaker 2: they they lose their approach of the play in the postseason.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen it happen a couple of years in a
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  Speaker 2: row now where it's just like these guys are swinging
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  Speaker 2: and anything. Yeah, and just like what what are you
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  Speaker 2: guys like just chasing everything? And to me, if that
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  Speaker 2: remains the same, it's not gonna matter. I mean, to me,
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  Speaker 2: those guys have to be like, hey, we're veteran professional players.
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  Speaker 2: We've been in this league for a long time. We've
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  Speaker 2: been playing baseball all our lives. We got to be
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  Speaker 2: able to recognize what's a strike and what's a ball.
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  Speaker 1: I think the bats have been more disciplined as of late, though.
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  Speaker 2: They've been they've been good recently, I will give you that.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, they've been good in the regular season
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  Speaker 2: in the past two that's true. You know, you you
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  Speaker 2: get up against the best of the best in terms
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  Speaker 2: of you know, opposing pitching staffs, and suddenly it all
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  Speaker 2: just kind of disappears. So to me, if they if
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  Speaker 2: the offense doesn't know, if they go that route again,
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  Speaker 2: none of this other stuff matters, right, Yeah. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: and I was gonna mention Nola, but I figure I'll
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  Speaker 2: let you you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, let's go yeah, let's get let's
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  Speaker 1: get into Aaron Nola here, because he has struggled since
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  Speaker 1: his return to the mound. I mean, you take a
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  Speaker 1: look at I mean, we all know what happened is
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  Speaker 1: it's six runs and two and one third innings. It
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  Speaker 1: was a Sunday victory this past week over the Washington Nationals,
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  Speaker 1: but a start that ended when seven consecutive batters reached
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  Speaker 1: the bases safely. I mean, holy cow, he struck out
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  Speaker 1: four in his first major league outing since May fourteenth.
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  Speaker 1: But still, oh my gosh, really shaky. And look, this
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  Speaker 1: happens to pictures every now and again who are out
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  Speaker 1: for a significant period of time again mid May is
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  Speaker 1: you know, time he pitched in the majors. It's going
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  Speaker 1: to take a little bit of time for him to
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  Speaker 1: get reacclimated to the major league mound. But I was
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  Speaker 1: just I was really concerned, and I hope again I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to get into hot take stuff here, I
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  Speaker 1: really don't. Oh, Aaron Nola has done. His career is over.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how many times have we seen that over
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  Speaker 1: the course of these of years with when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to Nola. But you know, it does beg the question,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is this really going to start to become
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  Speaker 1: the downslide of his career.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I'm willing to give him a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more rope than that. Literally one start, yeah, after coming
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  Speaker 2: back from injury. So I mean before we all, you know,
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  Speaker 2: drive our cars off the Walt Whitman, let's just take
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  Speaker 2: a break. I mean it was one start. Guys have
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  Speaker 2: stinkers every now and again. Zach Wheeler has had a
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  Speaker 2: couple of stinkers this season. Absolutely, it happens to literally everybody.
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  Speaker 2: So let's just wait and see what happens there. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, give him a couple of starts, maybe find
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  Speaker 2: his form that that could be something that that he's
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  Speaker 2: still struggling with. I know, when Harper came back from
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  Speaker 2: his injury earlier this year, it took him a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of time to find his timing at the plate.
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  Speaker 2: So that could be very well be something that happens
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  Speaker 2: for Nola as well. But he is perhaps the key
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  Speaker 2: now to to this pitching staff because you know, you
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  Speaker 2: have a guy that you know, he's being paid very handsomely.
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  Speaker 2: He's I would consider him, you know, a number two
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  Speaker 2: starter when he's you know, completely right, and when he's
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  Speaker 2: doing what he's what he's supposed to be doing. He's
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  Speaker 2: a good pitcher when he's doing what he's supposed to do.
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  Speaker 2: He's just got to get back to that point. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're always worried about, oh, you know, how
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  Speaker 2: many innings does this guy have on his arm?
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  Speaker 1: This year?
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  Speaker 2: Nola is only at about fifty innings. Now. I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe maybe the numbers are getting away from
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  Speaker 2: me a little bit, but I think he's only tossed
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  Speaker 2: fifty major league innings this year, so he should be
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  Speaker 2: fresh when when the postseason comes around. I know that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they manage a little bit differently in the postseason.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you don't like to, you know, send a
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  Speaker 2: guy through the lineup more than twice. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: if there's a guy that whose arm can probably take
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  Speaker 2: that workload, now, it's going to be Aaron Nola. So
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  Speaker 2: it's it's up to him to you know, hey, I'm
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  Speaker 2: the guy that you gave all that money to, and
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  Speaker 2: here's why. That's what he's got to do.
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  Speaker 1: So folks, let's not like Lenn said, let's not take
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  Speaker 1: our cars off the Walt Whitman Bridge. At this point,
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  Speaker 1: there's certainly time he is quote fresh as we get
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  Speaker 1: into this latter part of the season and as this
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  Speaker 1: team is looking towards the postseason. So I agree, I
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  Speaker 1: think that. I mean, I mean, look, we can't overreact
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  Speaker 1: with this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if we're into mid September and he's
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  Speaker 2: still doing this, okay, then we got a legitimate problem.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, let's let him find himself a little
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  Speaker 2: bit coming off with a long injury and we'll see
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  Speaker 2: where we're at.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, before we head to break, we
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  Speaker 1: do want to talk about Alec Baum and his return,
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  Speaker 1: because I gotta tell you, after missing twenty six games
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  Speaker 1: with a left rib fracture, he had a huge game
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  Speaker 1: his first game back, hitting two out of three. Or
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  Speaker 1: Or hit a homer as well off of lefty Mitchell
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  Speaker 1: Parker and second inning to double the Phillies lead at
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  Speaker 1: that point in the game. It proved necessary again because
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Nola gave up those you know, six runs at
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  Speaker 1: the top of the third inning this past Sunday. Alec
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  Speaker 1: Bohm was a spark in his first game back. And
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  Speaker 1: I think the one thing Len you know me, I've
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  Speaker 1: been at Alec Bohm defender now for years and years
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  Speaker 1: and years. The one thing that this guy has is resiliency,
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  Speaker 1: and resiliency means something in the game of baseball. To
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  Speaker 1: me when I look at players, whether they're injured, they're
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: going from team this team to that team, adapting to
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  Speaker 1: different atmospheres, environments, fan bases. Alec Boem has resiliency here,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that's an important aspect of who he
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  Speaker 1: is as a player and what it means for this
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  Speaker 1: Phillies team overall. I think he can be that spark
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  Speaker 1: towards the end of the season here, I really do.
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  Speaker 1: I've always been a Boem defender. I don't know, what
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: are you thinking about Alec Bowman his return here.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's kind of got to be,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the guy that we, you know, think can
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  Speaker 2: he can be like a you know, a two eighty hitter,
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  Speaker 2: a guy that can you know, they can drive the
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: ball a little bit. I'm not looking at him as
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: a huge power threat, but a guy that can you know,
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  Speaker 2: hit doubles into the gap and stuff like that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: remember at the end of last season in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: Alec Bohm was one of those guys that just completely
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: tanked in the playoffs and that we were just like, oh, geez,
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  Speaker 2: do we need to do something at third base. I
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  Speaker 2: remember he was on the trading block last year at
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  Speaker 2: the at the end of the season that there were
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  Speaker 2: they were.
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  Speaker 1: We were talking about it.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's get him out of here and get another
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: starter in here. So yeah, I mean he's got to
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: kind of maybe prove a little bit that he can
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: do that in the postseason. And he's a guy that
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I think. You know, there's certain guys in the lineup,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: like casianis for example, he is who he is. He's
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: always gonna be a free swinger. Yeah you're not looking
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: at him that's gonna draw a walk and get on base.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I think Alec Bowm is capable of doing that. So
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: he's a guy I mean, we he's a guy that
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: you need him to get on base and not just
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: being easy out. So yeah, he's I think he's kind
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: of an important part of this lineup. But I just
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: think it's the lineup as a whole. They've gotta they've
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: got to come through this year.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: They do they do. The bats have to come through
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: for sure, and getting ready to take a break. But
• 17:40
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• 18:22
  Speaker 1: So with that being said, Lenn, we're gonna take a
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: little break here. When we get back. We got some
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Flyers talk, some Eagles talk. You got anything else with
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Phillies before we had to break.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, they've just been in the midst of
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: a good stretch. It's good to see what they're doing
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: against Seattle. The Mets have been helping them out in
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: terms of going through some stumbles of their own. Yes,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: so that I mean that's nice to see. Yeah, it's
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: it's it's helped out a lot. So hopefully you know,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: both teams can keep it rolling with what they're doing.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, all right, folks, when we get back from break,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about Phantoms, some farm system changes
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: to the Flyers farm system, and we're going to dive
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: into some Eagles talk. Stick with us, all right, we
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: are back and to dive into some Flyers talk and
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: in fact some farm system talk. Because one of our
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: friends we've had on the pod a number of times
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: excuse me, she's a writer not just at Broadstreet Hockey
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: dot com but phl y as well, Madeline Campbell. She
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: she wrote a great article just on how the Flyers
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: prospects in the farm system are really poised to take
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: a step forward under the new system and what is
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: that new system. So, as many know, the Flyers and
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: the Phantoms, I should say, now have a brand new
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: head coach in Lehigh Valley, John Snowden. He was named
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: he was named the head coach within the past month.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I believe he's going to be the new face of
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: this Phantoms team and he's going to be bringing a
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: new system. So just to let you know in turn
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: of what this system is going to be. Some quotes
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: from him in that article that Madeline Campbell wrote, he said,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the style of play that we have, it's very aggressive,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: very fast, offensively attacking team. I want the puck. I
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: want to value the puck. I don't want to give
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: it away. I want to hold on to it. You
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: want the puck, you have to earn it back. That's
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the way we're going to do a lot of things.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I want to drive our offense up. We're going to
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: defend the right away, We're going to check. We're going
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: to move the game from our defensive zone to the
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: offensive zone as fast as we can, and when we
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: get there, we want to stay there. We want to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: grind them down. Len sounds a lot different than Ian Lapariz.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, sign me up for all of that. I
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: mean that sounds very aggressive. Yes, they're constantly going to
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: be forcing the issue, which is, you know, I don't
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: care what team you root for, what sport you're watching,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: you want a team that's going to push the action
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: and kinda dictate the pace. And that's what it sounds
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: like like Snowden's gonna do here. So I'm all for it.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: And it seems i mean, based on Madeline's article here too,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: it sounds like he and Rick Tockett are basically married
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: to that type of approach. He said, Rick Tockett and
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I have a very similar approach and what makes a
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: player good and what makes a player hard to play against.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: So for us, it's about being able to play with
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: people around you, like inside contact, guys on your back,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: inviting contact. We feel the same way because it's hard
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: to play against them. I mean, if we see this
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: level of play with the Flyers, then as well, this
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: is gonna be some different hockey. It's gonna be some
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: fun hockey, and it's gonna take these guys, especially in
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: the farm system, from a developmental perspective to another level.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, she mentioned players like Hunter McDonald that could
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: excel in this type of system, Ethan Samson, Oliver Bonk,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Alex Bump as well based on their skill level. And yes,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: some of these guys may not be making it to
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the NHL level. They may not be making it to
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the Wells Fargo or what is it Exfinity Mobile Center Now.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what it is. Now.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Damn it, we got a freaking it's not just what
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: it is. My tongue, it's not going to roll off
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: my tongue anymore, damn it. But uh, not a lot
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: of these guys, well, who knows who's going to make
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: it up in the future. But the fact that there
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: is a certain skill set and expectation, I uh, that
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: that that is going to be in place in Lehigh
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Valley I think abodes very well for what these guys
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: can do possibly at.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: The major league level. Yeah, no exactly is yeah, well, yeah,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I know what you mean. As long as the message
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: is the same throughout, you know, because we we can.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: We complained about that last year where yeah, you know,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: they've got there here in one thing in Lehigh Valley
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and then when they got up to the Flyers, Tortorello
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: was telling them different stuff, and you know, you're you're
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: just kind of playing with your head on a swivel
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: because you don't you don't know what the hell you're
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: supposed to be doing. So as long as the messaging
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: between Snowden and what Tackett wants up in Philly is clear,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: we're doing the same thing, we're using hopefully a lot
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: of the same terminology, then yeah, that's great. And and
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: that style of hockey that you know Snowden is talking about,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: and that I think that Tackett is going to try
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: to do as well. Is a fun brand of hockey
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: to watch. So yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to all
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: that this year, and I think that they have a
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: good chance of being successful. I mean, you know, I
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: think a lot of the names with Lehigh Valley are
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: going to be similar to last year, perhaps going to
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: build some continuity. I don't know if Bank is Oliver
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Bank is is I know there's like an age limit
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: thing with the AHL. Yeah, I don't know if he's
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: there yet, if he's going to be on the team
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: this year or if he goes back to London, but
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I think he's a HL ready.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's a HL level ready this fall here,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and I think that a lot of a lot, a
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: lot of spotlight it's going to be shining on him.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's a guy that you know, Look, you
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: spent a first round pick on this guy. He's a
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: guy that you know eventually projects as maybe a second
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: pairing defenseman. I want to see him. I want to
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: see how he's going to do. I want to see
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: how he acclimates and and you know, it's good to have,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: you know, well thought of prospects in the system. They
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: are coming up. You know, I know a lot of times,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: if they're that good, they're just automatically going to make
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: the you know, the big club. But there's guys like him.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: There's guys like Bump, who I hear that the the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: staff in Philadelphia is very happy with and very pleased
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: with how he's been doing. He's a guy that a
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: lot of people think could make the Flyers out of camp.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: So maybe he's not even in Ley High Valley, but
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: it's good that they seem to have this, this group
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: of guys that are back and are there again. I said,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: because I'm kind of comparing it to I live out
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: near Hershey, so I follow the Bears. I go to
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Bears games every year, and it feels like this offseason
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: half their team went over to Russia to go play
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: in the KHL, and it's just like all these new guys.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: So I expect them to take a state even the coach,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: So I expect them to take a step back this year.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: And I think if you've got a group that's been
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: together for a while in Lee High Valley with a
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: new coach, that's that's you know, pushing the action I
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: mean Lee High Valley could be a force in the
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: in the AHL this year. Yeah, if everything comes together,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: So that'll be exciting to follow.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: It's interesting what you mentioned with Alex Bump, like he
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: could potentially be on the on the Flyers roster. I mean,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: his offensive acumen is already I think pretty well developed
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: from what we saw. I mean, he showed a lot
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: in the AHL playoffs. I mean it was a real
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: testament to that. But his game did drop off in
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: that postseason appearance to the point where you know, his
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: game still needed I'm fine tuning, but that offensive acumen
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: is definitely there with him, you know. And I just
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I want him and Bunk to just be standing next
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: to each other as Bunk and Bump. A yeah, I know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: what a dope. I'm like, well, Bunk, and.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you should call the Fantoms and try to
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: get a job there in their marketing department.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I think they would give me the middle finger and say,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: why don't you go back to Bethlehem there you go
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: go screw yourself, mister Warren. So all right, well, uh,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: there was some good Flyers talk there.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I can't wait for the season to start. I can't
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: wait for the season to start. Folks go back in
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the feed uh Table talk show. This past week, Ryan
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Quigley from brush Street Hockey dot Com was on. We
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: had a great talk about the Flyers and just what
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: what you know this off season was what we were
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: able to expect or what we should be expecting this
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: coming season. So, Buddy, before I let you go, got
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: to get into some birds talk because the season's almost
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: he y oh god. A lot of injuries on this team,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of injuries happening. But specifically I wanted to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: get into with you when I was really concerned when CJ.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson left in that trade. It was like, man,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: they bring They only had him for like two years.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: They only had him for two total years during his
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: time with this Eagles defense, and he made such a
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: dramatic impact six interceptions in both seasons, and it's like, man,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: you lose that type of productivity, you lose that type
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: of the attitude. Yeah, the energy and attitude. Absolutely. But
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: now it seems that the Eagles do have their next
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: starting safety that's gonna be playing next to the red
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: blanken ship in Andrew mccouba, a rookie who was has
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: been fantastic in this preseason so far. We saw that
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: pick six interception, Oh my gosh, it was great during
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: the Browns preseason game. This ti Yes, Yes, absolutely great,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: great news. I'm feeling better about the safety position. We've
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: talked a number of times during this offseason about how
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: that could potentially be a weak part of this team.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling better about it. Good news for the secondary. However, however,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of questions about cornerback two. Who's
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: going to be opposite of Quinnon Mitchell, Who's going to
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: be opposite of him? And Vic Fangio has basically said
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: at this point he admitted they don't have any answers
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: right now to the second cornerback position. I mean right now.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I mean you can mention Jacryn Bennett. I think adri
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Jackson has actually played his way off the team. I
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: really don't think he's going to I'll be surprised if
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: they do actually keep him. Mac McWilliams is another guy
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: competing for this job as well. I mean, they're talking
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: about moving Cooper Dejen out outside full time here. I'm
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: really concerned about cornerback two because you know, Darius Slay
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: hasn't talked about a lot during this offseason just how
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: valuable he was. No, he wasn't one hundred percent perfect
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: last year, however, Man, he made some great plays his
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: veteran leadership. I think this could be the thorn in
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the Achilles heel in this Eagles defense, you know, in
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the first few weeks of the season.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Here.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Man, I'm a little concerned.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean this is a it's a
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: passing league, so yeah, I mean people are gonna be
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be quarterbacks that are just eyeing that other
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: side of the field, whatever side Mitchell isn't on, They're
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: they're gonna be focusing on on you know, targeting that area.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: So I don't know, you know, if if they're confident
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: enough in Degene at this point to move him to
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the outside. But even if you do that, then okay,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: do you have somebody that you trust in the slot
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: because you know, we know what the Gene can do
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: as a slot corner. Yeah, we know how good he
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: is at it. And if you don't have to move
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: him off of that, you really don't want to, right
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: but you know, yeah, it's uh, I unfortunately think at
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: this point.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, Killey Ringo is not lighting things up either.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, there was the hope that some of these
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: guys who have been depth positions, you know, for a while,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: now we're going to be able to really step up
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and Eli Rix, you know, come on, Ringo was a
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: guy that I.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Really kind of had hoped it would kind of step up,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: and I've been a little disappointed in the fact that
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: he hasn't been able to because I think if you
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: gave that that outside corner spot to de Gene, I
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: think he could do it. But again, now you're making
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: another position week two, exactly who's going to take less
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: you have one of those guys that maybe and you're
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: running out of time in the preseason. But you know,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they've been cycling those guys in
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: the slot corner position and seeing if any of them
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: are good enough at that to, you know, maybe just
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: take that role and make it at least passable while
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: the Gene bumps to the outside. You know, I don't
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: know if any of that has happened, but you know,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to come up with some answers there.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. I just don't like that with
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Cooper Degene what we saw last year playing in the
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: in the in these nickel packages that that Vic Fangio
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: enjoys playing, even the dime packages that he enjoys uh
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: putting out on the field. That slot corner position is
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: so absolutely critical. I'm not saying that cornerback two is,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and of course it is, you know, especially when you're
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: playing a team, you know, like you know, the Bengals,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: when you have prolific wide receivers like t Higgins and
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, you know you're gonna need exactly you know,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: but you're also going to need to protect that over
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: the middle part of the field and have somebody that understands,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: you know what, what they're reading in terms of the offense.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: And Cooper Degene is so good at that. I would
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: hate to see him moving out to the outside. I
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: really would. And it it I don't know, losing Darius
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Lay it kind of kind of stinks here, really does Yeah.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: You you almost wonder if maybe they got to look
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: at a trade of some sort.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: They did and Bennett though, you know, and it's like, well,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: things are still up in the air there.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, you might need a bigger name than that.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I know. I look, I'm gonna be talking about it
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: with our guest Tommy, but uh, you know what, what
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: were your thoughts on John Metchi, you know, the the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: trade with the Texans. You know, I thought it was interesting,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: you know, I because they really him, because the forty
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: nine ers also wanted him to and the Eagles.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I remember him at Alabama and like, damn, he's a
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: good player. Like he's a guy I wouldn't mind seeing
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: on the Eagle. So I mean, yeah, why not give
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: give him a shot? I mean I know that they've
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: got some you know, some people in the in the
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the depth positions there at wide receiver they really like.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: So I feel like maybe him coming in at this
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: point in the game, he's fighting a bit of an
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: uphill battle just because he hasn't been with the Eagles
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: since maybe the beginning of camp. Yeah, you know, it
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: had enough time as you would like to establish yourself.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: But I mean he's a guy that if he made
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: the fifty three man roster, I I'd be excited about it.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I think he can. I think he can play.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting if you don't, because I
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: mean he's good. They traded for him he's gonna make
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the fifty three man roster. In my opinion, he's gonna
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: make it because they made the trade for him. Then
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: again last year around this time, they made the trade
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: for John Dotson and we kind of saw what he
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't throughout the season. It's just kind of interesting how
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: how he is making these wide receiver trades the past
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: two seasons here or that this year and last year,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: and we still don't we don't know the direction of
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: where these guys are gonna fit into this coming season.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: That's kind of an interesting storyline here.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there are certain spots on this team that, like,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: you know, yes, they just won the Super Bowl. Yes,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: they're bringing a lot of you know, talent back, and
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: they're very strong in a lot of positions. But there's
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: certainly some soft underbellies on this team that you know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: you you can you can scheme for, I think on
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: both sides of the ball.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely, all right, Well, buddy, I'll let you go.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: We're gonna get to our interview here and our discussion
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: more Eagles talk along the way. Are you sure you
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: don't want to come down to the Fantasy football draft?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: You know, just call off.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I can't do that because I'm the only person there.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I will call them and say, look, he is really sick,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: he's on the turlet.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: They they don't, They couldn't care less about you, really,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I would literally rather be anywhere that at
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: that place. I know, I know, and I mean now
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: and forever. Yeah, I'm if.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: You're hiring, Oh, if you're hiring folks out there, get
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: touch Len Huntsicker. Wait, I'm not on social anymore. What
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: are we gonna do here?
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Well, they can, they can, they can contact you and
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: email the show, folks. I'm yeah, email the show.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Here we go, folks, Philadelphia Sports Table at gmail dot com.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: See how I dovetailed that rate in there?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: There you go. And you were you were talking about
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: hot takes earlier. Yeah, I mean you don't get tired
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: of hot takes if you're not on social media.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: That is very saying something to give some thought about tonight, right, folks,
• 35:24
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• 35:26
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• 35:28
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• 35:31
  Speaker 1: And Lyn, I'm gonna let you go, buddy. We'll see
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: you later. We got more birds talk right coming your way, folks,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: stick with us.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: And now on the table.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: All right, we are backing to dive into this Philadelphia
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Eagles team that much more. Had a great conversation with
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Len specifically about the secondary, but now to really dive
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: into what we've been seeing during training camp, what we
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: can expect this coming season. We've got our good friend
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Tommy's over on Twitter slash x search out dose man
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: because he has got fantastic content, really your daily dose
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: for the Philadelphia Eagles, and he's doing great things over
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: on Twitter slash x. We got Tommy, buddy man, how
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: you doing it? Thanks so much for jumping on.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Deal, good man, glad. I appreciate it bringing me on
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: back man. Real excited.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, but I cannot wait for this season. I mean,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I will say first and foremost kind of stinks that
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: there are so many injuries going on with this team
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: right now. I think a lot of us have this
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: little bit of nervousness in the back of our minds
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: about what's happening from a health perspective with this team
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and how that's going to translate to certain aspects of
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: what we're going to be seeing on offensive defense, But
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I first wanted to dive into the defense first because,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: like I said, my co host and I we were
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: just talking about cornerback number two on this team and
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: what this position may look like this coming season. Frankly,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: from all reports, from everything we have seen thus far,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I do think a Dori Jackson is kind of playing
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: his way out of this position. He could be playing
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: his way off the team at this point. And when
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: they initially brought him in, wasn't necessarily the biggest fan
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: of the signing had high hopes for him. For sure,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Killey Ringo hasn't been too too impressive ja Core and
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Bennett that they get in the trade, he could be
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: that cornerback number two positions. So let's start off here
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: talking about where CB two may be going this season.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts here dose.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: You know, looking at the depth chart just just off
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: the top of my head, if I were to put
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: a depth chart, it would probably go Kaylee Ringo, Jacoryan Bennett,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: and Adorri Jackson. I feel like we watched the Bengals game,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: both of them just struggled right off the bat. Ye mean,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: they were attacking Ringo right away and people would go
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: to his defense. Oh he was guarding Jamar Chase. Well,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: he's gonna guard those guys. He's gonna, I mean, we're gonna.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: We're gonna have quinnyon follow wide receiver one. Of course,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: we cannot allow the CB two spot right now to
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: stay on the same side. Quinnon has to shadow these guys. So,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, you look at our schedule, man, like we
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: have the Vikings, like we have the Lions, we have
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: the Commanders. Even now, I know the Terry situation is
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: completely out of control right now, but let's just say
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: he does come back, man, Like, yes, Ringo or one
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: of them got a guard debo.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: And by the way, in New York, these wide.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Receiver twos are getting better and better each year. I mean,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: let's let's keep let's put this into perspective. Devonte Smith
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: is a wide receiver too. Yeah, I mean ste Higgins
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: is a wide receiver to Addison Waddell. These are some
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: guys that could be wide receiver ones on half of
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: the league. So, like we saw Sleigh last year, he
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: could keep up with them. He's one of those guys,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: A younger guy like Ringo is. It's it's tough a
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Dori Jackson's a veteran guy, so there's a little bit
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: more Okay, maybe we're a little bit more comfortable, but
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: you know, then we watched him guard wide receiver threes
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: against Cincinnati just wasn't strong. I think bringing in Jacrian
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Bennett is a good move. The little we saw from
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: him in with the Raiders showed real well, really battle
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: lot of injuries, but I mean we saw him against
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Cleveland played real well. If I had to guess how
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: it's gonna go based on what I've been seeing, when
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: I've been reading, when I've been talking to some people
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: about I think you're gonna see a Dori Jackson week one.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I think that is the consensus I've seen, you know,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: you know Elliott Off of ninety four say it. VIC
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: has been starting you know, Jackson Moore with the first
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: team at camp, but I also think we might see
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: more of a rotation when it comes to certain teams.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: I personally think I'm a big fan of Bennett. I
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: think Bennett's gonna be a real good guy for us.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: I think if he could stay healthy and stay on
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: the field. Agree, you know, Vic's gonna have him in
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: positions where he can succeed. But it's definitely concerning because
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: you do look at the schedule and some of the
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: teams we play great wide receiver twos, and I just
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: think Kaylie Ringo hasn't picked up on it yet. I
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: don't think he's comfortable one hundred percent. I don't think
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: it's all there. I don't think a Dori Jackson's all there.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: I think they brought in Bennett because they saw those
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: two and went, all right, we definitely need to do something.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: I think Bennett is going to be the guy that
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: does get in the most. But I think week one,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: from what I've seen, you will see a Dori Jackson.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting. It's going to be interesting to follow and
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: how the development of that number two cornerback actually manifest
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: itself during the course of the season, because I mean,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: all these guys are quote projected to potentially have a
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: higher ceiling than what we're seeing from them now. But
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean as we're moving along here throughout camp,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you know, and it happens every year, Tommy, it happens
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: every single year. You see certain studs that you're like,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: you know what, they're really going to be contributors this year,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: and then you also see weaknesses throughout Camp two, and
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I want to get into this right now. So let's
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: get into the studs that you've been seeing so far
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: or a stud and then and then we'll end that
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: part with the weak player on the defensive side of
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: the ball. So, who is the one stud in your
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: mind that's really gonna help take this Eagles defense to
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: the next level. If it's maybe somebody who maybe is
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: surprising for you or somebody that you've really been honing
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: in on, who is that? Who's that studding camp from
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: a defensive perspective.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Man, I'm in a big Eagles you know group chat
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: on twinter. We were actually talking about this the other
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: day because we were like, hey, man, like we did
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: lease some core guys, so we I have two, but
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: one of them, like rookie safety Andrew mccooba. He's battled
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: injuries early, he really has. But man, every time he's
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: on the training you know, he's in training camp and
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: he's on that field. I mean, the tweets about him
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: are just their eye opening. He's all over the field.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: We saw what he did against Cleveland, Yes, you know,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: the pick six, the fumble recovery. He was flying around everywhere.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: But due to the injuries we've we've seen so far,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to use him as the stud I
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: on this defense. I really think so far the stud
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: at least I've read the most about it's gotta be Johatcampbell.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Everything I've read about him is he's you know, he's
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: guarding the running back out of backfield, sometimes covering Godard,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: He's they're putting him at edge. It seems like he
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: can do everything. And I think the versatility is going
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: to be good for him in this defense because yes,
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: he can play cover as a middle linebacker. He can
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: he can pair up with Bond, but when Da Kobe
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: comes back, he could drop down to edge. Sometimes he
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: can cover the running back out of the backfield. I've
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: read so much about this kid that's positive. I haven't
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: seen one thing about him struggling.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: YEA one.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: And the people I follow, they are definitely not shy
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: about saying the Eagles are struggling. I'll tell you that.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Philly reporters, they will let you know. But I haven't
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: read one negative thing about this kid. And it's just sure,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: you know, with the question mark when he got drafted
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: was the injuries. We haven't heard anything about it now.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Injuries are going to happen, But I really think what
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Vic can do with this kid, This linebacking course probably
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: the best we've had in fifteen five years.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: On the flip side of that, who do you think
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: is the weakness on this defense here in terms of
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: you know that one week player that may potentially be
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: a concern here? What are you thinking?
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: I really don't think there's one player. I know we
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: discussed the CB two position, right, but I do want
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: to note I do think the true weakness is the
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: safety room. A lot of the concern is around that
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: that center field role. CJ played a great center field
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: role last year, stayed up top a lot, you know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: safety help on some some corners here and there. But
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: now you take him away, your your your safety room
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: goes as follows. Read your is your number one safety
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: on that one side, and then under him is Tristan McCollum.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Then you have CJ. I'm sorry of Sidney Brown and
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: mccuba batting it out, one of them go down. We
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: don't have many safeties and Reed is not a huge
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: cover guy. He's just not He's good at kind of
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: roaming the middle of the field. So I think as
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: a whole, the safety room is my biggest weakness. And
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of things about Justin Simmons possibly
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: being a candidate to bring in, and I just think
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: that overall, if Reid ever went down, the safety room's
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: in deep trouble. I really think it is. And that's
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: a place where you know, CJ played great, very good
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: there last year, but at times safety room was sometimes
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: an issue. So now you take away CJ and you
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: leave Reed to kind of carry the workload. He got
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: an inexperienced safety in Sidney Brown because he hasn't played
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: much there, came back from an ACL. You have mccouba,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: who's a rookie who's battling injury now, so who knows
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: if he can even stay on the field for a
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: whole season. And then Tristan McCollum was a big special
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: teams guy and got in in some of those games
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: later in the season when we were up a bunch.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of inexperience in that safety room,
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: which is to me the biggest weakness on the defense,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: and it's a huge concern because you need good safeties.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Absolutely definitely a concern. I mean from a depth standpoint,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: like you're talking about one guy goes down, that could
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: be a ridiculous negative domino effect for sure in terms
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: of the safety position. But let's move over to the
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: offense now here dose because I want to get into
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: John Metchi, new wide receiver that was just acquired this
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: past week, played twenty nine games for the Texans, only
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: starting in three of them. It's got a total of
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: four hundred and twelve yards on forty catches one touchdown
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: during his tenure in Houston. I've been trying to think,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: you know, you look at what his stats are, you
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: look at you your eye test when you're actually watching
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: video of him and what he was able to do
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: in Houston. I'm wondering what type of aspect he's going
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: to bring two who this offense? And I'm wondering, do
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: you see him as a key part of this wide
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: receiver group and how is it inevitably going to be
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: utilized in the passing game? What are your thoughts here.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of John Metchi, and I tell
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: people this that I've been talking to recently because I
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: think a lot of people I love diving into, you know,
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: players and football and all that I've really become a
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: dig student of the game. And if you take a
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: look at match, you just based off the eye test.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: If we're looking at stats alone, they're not great, but
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: nobody knows. But then you dig deeper. Wide he missed
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: his whole rookie season right battling leukemia. Yeah, I mean
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: he he wrote missed a whole rookie season. He comes back.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: That wide receiver room is filled with Nico Collins, Tank Dell,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Noah Brown, the addition of Dalton shows. So that second year,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: you're you're, you're, you're the fourth option on that offense.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Then the next year they bring in Stefan Diggs. You're
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: you're You're buried there. You're buried there. And he had
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: good production last year with that injured wide receiver room.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Philly brought him in my opinion, because as much as
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: I hate to say it, I do think that wide
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: receiver three position is up for grabs. I know, Jahan Dotson,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: we gave up a third from last year. I don't
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: think the production was all there.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: But also you got to.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Take a look at the offense. You know, you have
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: aj and Devonte Smith, but we're run first off. How
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: do you run offense, ye a lot of Saku Jalen.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Jalen likes to roll out a lot rarely. If you
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: go back to even Jalen's first year as a starter
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: wide receiver, three rarely got any targets or looks their way.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: And that just goes to show that this offense really
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: has it's either your first option, your second option, run
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: the ball. It's a very, very i want to say,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: systematic offense, and it really benefits the run game. Now,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: I do think it adds a great depth because we
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: saw last year early in the season Aj went down
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: with that hamstring, which he's still battling. Now. He has
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: a practice in eighteen gains, which to me is not concerning.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: I like what they're doing keeping them out, getting him
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: ready for Week one. Hamstrings can linger. It's a great move.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: But if we have that again where AJ's missing three weeks,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: three of the first four weeks, Smitty goes down with something.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: You have Johan Metchi, Johnny Wilson who's played well, Darius Cooper,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: who by the way, has been absolutely Yeah. I mean
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: he needs in my opinion, he's got to make the
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: roster some way. Yes, but you take a look so
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: then it offers you a little bit more depth that
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: you're comfortable with. Last year, in that Tampa game of
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Week four, you know, we were throwing to Johan was
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: number one, but you had a rookie Johnny Wilson. You
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: had Paris Campbell who was a practice squad guy for
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: the last two years before that. You had a Naiah
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Smith who was a fifth round rookie that what just
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: didn't get much time at all, So the options weren't there. Now,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: if that ever happens again, you're throwing to Jahan, You're
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: throwing to John Matchie, who've both been in the league
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: for a few years now. They're comfortable as a league guy.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: You have back up, you have Johnny Wilson. So I
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: really think he brings great depth. But I also think
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: he is going to get incorporated and involved right away
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: because he's a really quick guy on the outside. He
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: gets great separation, he has pretty solid hands. He's a
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: little undersized for the role he was given in Houston,
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: but I think he'll fit good in here because, like
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: I said, I think Kevin Putulo's style. Yeah, we're gonna
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: be run heavy, but I've heard a lot about how
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Jalen's passing more. And I mean I just saw today.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at it right now. Hurts was fourteen to
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: fifteen today for four touchdowns without aj without Schmidty, without
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: half the offensive line. I mean he threw to Darius
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Cooper eight targets today. I mean, so he's getting comfortable
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: throwing to these guys. So the more comfortable he can
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: get thrown to those guys, I think he's just gonna
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: trust these guys more. I think Metchi's a guy you
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: can trust because he's been in the league for a
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: little bit now, so he's a reliable depth guy. And
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: I do think that wide receiver three spot is open.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: I really do.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: It's interesting how you mentioned trusting the depth, especially from
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: a receiving standpoint, because it's a really good segue dose
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: into our next topic here, because I've been getting more
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: and more concerned about the tight end position just in
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: terms of the depth, because look, Dallas Goddard, I mean,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: he's not a young pup anymore, and he continues to
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: fight through injuries year after year. That's you know the
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: nature of the game, nature of the beast. Yet you
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: know we know how key that he is. As you
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: just mentioned, you know, for the success of this offense. Honestly,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think the Eagles win the Super Bowl without
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard. They don't win the Super Bowl without a
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: lot of various moving parts of that Eagles offense from
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: last season. However, the depth behind him, though, is very concerning.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: It isn't that inspiring at all. So what are your
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: thoughts on the tight end position, the overall depth behind
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard if he were to go down. I mean,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: that does change some things here and there.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: I definitely think the depth at time height end is
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: a little thin. And with Dallas got it, he was
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: a question mark this offseason where we're gonna resign him,
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: we we're gonna trade him. I made a few posts
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: about it just to see what people thought. I mean,
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: he's look, he's a thirty year old guy, right, He's
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: getting into those thirties. He hasn't played fifteen games in
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: a season since twenty twenty one. At twenty twenty two,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: he played twelve gamest with seven hundred and two yards
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: for three touchdowns. Twenty twenty three played fourteen games with
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: a little little under six hundred and then last year,
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: I mean he played ten games. He played ten games
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: last year, and he is grea when he's on the field.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: This offense is at a different level. Yes, he is great.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: We saw him in the playoffs phenomenal. However, he's one
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: of those guys that do go down. They traded I
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: think it was Harrison Brian they traded for a mention,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: traded him. I think he was more of a bubble guy.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Great Alcatara, I've said it before. I trust Grant I do.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: I think when he had to step up last year
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: he played he played pretty well. He played pretty well.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, steems comfortable in that role. Obviously, you know
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: he's not your ideal tight end you want long term.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Could he be for sure? Who knows how he would
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: play as an everyday tight end one We haven't seen
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: that yet, so you can't write him off. But the
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: death is definitely not there. From what I've been seeing,
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: I could see possibly Johnny Wilson getting converted to a
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: tight end to keep a Nyah Smith Darius Cooper on
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: the roster as well. I mean, he's a tall what
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: is he one of the tallest receivers in football sixty
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: six sixty seven. He's a pretty big guy right he's bed.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: I've been seeing when he's on the field not getting
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: targets pretty good in the wrong game with blocking. He's
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: just a big body. I'm just thinking outside the box.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: He could be moved over there. But the depth is
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: definitely concerning, and I think that that's why they were
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: bringing in some guys this offseason. We were signing some
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: tight ends, we were moving some people around. You take
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: a look at the death right now, it's Dallas Goddard,
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: Grant Calcatara. Nick Gates is probably going to get cut.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: He's just one of those training camp bodies, hasn't made
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: much of an impact. So then you're realistically you're stuck
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: with two true tight ends and it's just not enough.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: I think Johnny Wilson could make the move, but I
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: also think that they need to be okay with Hey,
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: if God it goes down man, Grant's there, we don't
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: really have a true tight end three. So do I
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: think they make a move about it. No, But I
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: also think it could be something we see mid season.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: You know, like I said, he's thirty years of age.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: We're not going to resign him going in. They restructured
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: the deal, but they didn't extend it to a degree.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: They gave him that option, but they didn't give him
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: the guaranteed extension. So we're gonna look at hey mid season.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Let's a value anyway. I think that could be a
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: good move. Last year of his contract, he could be
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: worth something. However, it's thin. Now do we see jail
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: and throw the tight end much here and there, but
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: you only see him throwing goddards on the field. So
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: I do think, God, it's a big key part of
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: this offense. I just like you were saying, I am
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: worried about the death. I don't know if there's enough.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know if there's enough whether one goes down,
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Goddard stays, you have to have some cushion. And I think,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: besides the safety room, that is the thinnest part of
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: the depth chart.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Absolutely on offense. Yes, that absolutely is because I think
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: when you look at the history that you gave with
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard, I mean he's going to be missing time
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: this year. His body is at a certain point in
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: his career. We have seen this time and time again.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Only playing ten games last year, As you mentioned, he
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: is going to miss some time and that.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: It's a physical position. It's one of the most physical
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: positions they do it.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: All, So yeah, absolutely well, I mean it leads me
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: to to the running back position too, because if we
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: were to lose one Saquon Barkley too. The depth that
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: running back I think is also absolutely critical as this
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: is a run first team and we're going to be
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: seeing atmas Saquon Barkley again this season. Rightfully so based
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: on the season he had in twenty twenty four. But
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing how the running back room,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: specifically how will Shipley continues to develop and progresses. We've
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: seen that development and progression through this training camp for sure.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: He appears to be the number two right behind Barkley,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: and I do wonder if aj Dillon makes the team
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: become some sort of a contributor. So in terms of
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: the depth that running back does, what are your thoughts
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: on the depth and just how these players may contribute
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: on offense this coming season.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: I personally think, and this might be a little bit
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: of a hot take, I think this is the defense
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: the room's been since the twenty seventeen season.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, I really do.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: I mean our twenty seventeen room, we have the Garrett Blue,
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: we had Jay Jaidi. You had the absolute wonder of
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Corey Clement, the undrafted guy. That was one of the
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: best undrafted seasons I think I've seen in my short life.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: So but you look at it now, you have Saquon
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: hands down the best running back in the league. No arguments,
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: you can't, there's no disputing it. But you have an
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: approven guy of aj Dillon. Sure he's battuted some injuries,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: but when healthy he's good. Yeah, he has been a
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: good RB two when healthy. Will Stipley's a guy where
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: we've seen flashes here and there, very really quick and
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: fit through some good gaps, can burst speed if needs
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: to be. I think this is a good room. If
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Saquon were to go down, which the running back, it's
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: a position, a lot of wear and tear in that position.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: We've seen it over time. Christian McCaffrey, let's go to
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: his career. Yeah, he has every team he's been on
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: abused him every year, rightfully, so, but it catches up
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: to you. So but with the line we have, I
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: think that gives a little cushion to the depth. I
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: think if Saquon we're gonna to go down maybe the
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: production wouldn't be as high, but Shipley and Dylan could
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: still manufacture good play and good production because behind that line.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that line is the only reason our
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: running backs have been good, but look at the drop
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: off of DeAndre Swift's production from the year he was
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: with us to his year in Chicago. I mean, your
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: O line is gonna set up that run game. Saquon's
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: full potential was unlocked with us, right DeAndre Swift's full
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: potential was unlocked with US, as as Miles Sanders was.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: So you go, look, now Saquon goes down, We're gonna
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: get to see these two full potential. And I think
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: every running back does have their full potential, but it's
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: all not the same. Swift's full potential and Saquon's were
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: not the same. So behind this O line, God willing
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: they stay healthy. I think the run game is going
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: to be fine. I think that depth is going to
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: be okay because Shipley he's shown us some runs even
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: last season that were impressive, like the one of the
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: NFC Championship game. I mean he almost took it fifty
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: yards of the house. So you get an O line
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: like that. I really don't think the depth is much
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: to worry about. I think Dylan's health is something to
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: worry about. Right If he were to battle injuries and
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: then Saquon goes down, then we have an issue. Because
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Shipley cannot carry every game. You got to give your
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: running back to a chance to breathe. That's where I think
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: Kenneth Gainwell was a tough loss for us last year,
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: but understandably so he's going to go get a lot
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: more time in Pittsburgh. So as of right now, I
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: don't think there's much worry about the running back depth
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: because I think Saquon will get most of the carries
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: short yardage, maybe near the goal line. You plug Dylan
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: and they're bigger back. But I think for now this
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: depth is honestly one of the things I'm most comfortable with.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: It looks great, well, I agree with you completely, and
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to see how these guys behind Barkley
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: are going to be able to contry in their own
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: way this season. Fingers crossed that Barkley stays healthy, of course,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: But as we're moving along and finishing up our conversation
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: here at DOSE, I finally want to get into one
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: guy and that is the leader of this team. Jalen Hurts.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: My gosh, I just we have all as Eagles fans
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: have come to love him, of course, for so many reasons,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: mainly bringing another super Bowl, helping to bring another Super
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Bowl to the city of Philadelphia. But the one thing
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: with him, and it never ceases to amaze me. There's
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: always seems to be drama, whether it's made up or
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: whether it's you know, legit, whether it comes to, you know,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: the quarterback position. In Philadelphia, it seems like Philly sports
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: talk radio constantly needs to make some sort of issue
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: out of the quarterback position, even though your quarterback is
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl winner and the Super Bowl MVP, for
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: God's sake, and he's gone to two super Bowls, one
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: one of them again the MVP last year's Super Bowl.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: He continues to grow as a player. Yet whether it's
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: the national media some within the Philly sports talk world,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: we see disrespect with regard to Jalen Hurts, and it does.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: It bothers me quite frankly. And and and I I
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: can't seem to grasp why it's there, given what he
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: has done so far during his NFL career for the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles and how again he continues to grow as
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: a player. Here, I mean, what are your thoughts on
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: the disrespect that that some folks out there give to
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts and you know what it what it means,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: and what it doesn't mean. How one are your thoughts
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: here is we're closing things out.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: I think when it comes to talking about Jalen Hurts,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: a lot of people do not give him the credit
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: that's deserved because of I think there's a few factors.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: I think you take a look at the team around him, yeah,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: and they go, oh, he's got a J. Brown, Oh,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: he's got DeVante Smith, Oh he's got this. But let's
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: let's let's backtrack in two twenty when he was a rookie.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: He was you know, didn't play for the first thirteen
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: fourteen weeks, got the final four starts. His depth room
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: was Greg Ward.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: It was horrendous.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: It was al Sean Jeffrey. Yes, I love al Sean,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: So it was it was I believe it was Dante No,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: not Dante high Time, sorry, Jonathan Jonathan.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: It was Quez Watkins, a rookie, rookie, Quez Watkins, And
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: I think I saw a few jj ar Sega whiteside
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: appearances during those four games. We had a very bad room.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: And yeah, he went one in three during those games.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: In those four games, he threw for twelve hundred yards,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: eight touchdowns and three picks.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, you.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Went one in three in that four game spent. There
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: was something twenty twenty one. You know, you bring in
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: Devonte Smith, got her still battled some injuries, so you
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: had Smitty, Jalen Rager, and you had Ques Watkins. We
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: went nine to eight. It's a playoff there. People don't
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: want to acknowledge that he made the playoffs with that team.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: But what you do is you build around your quarterbacks.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: You build around it. That's what every smart organization does.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Look at what Washington's doing with Jay and Daniels, stacking
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: up the front, giving him a few playmakers. Guess what
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: will his play be elevated this year? I'd assume so,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: but we don't know. We did the same with Jalen.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: We got him guys that he's comfortable with. He is
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: super close with aj off the field. They brought him
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: in someone who's comfortable with. They got him, you know,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: guys on the O line that would make the offense better,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: that's what you do. So just because of the people
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: he has around him, you cannot take away from what
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: he's done.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: And I think the push push is another thing. I
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: know people hate it. I get it. I get it.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: They think they're you know, But I then throw this
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: point at him. If you had something that was a
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: guaranteed six points every time from the one, are you
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: not running it?
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Exactly? Yep, exactly are you not running it?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: And even if they've banned it, I think, I mean
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: that dude's legs, he's getting in on a normal sneak.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I just think.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: So we've seen it, But I just think it's because
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: he's not your traditional quarterback in people's eyes, which is ridiculous,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: and because we're run heavy. But look at the Super
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: Bowl keating on the run? What's sek one haf maybe
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: fifty yards maybe? Yeah, he's and he throws all over
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: the place. So I just think it's a because we're
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles fans and obviously we're we're not liked by
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: thirty one teams in the league. And I also think though,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: it's because everything they say he can't do he does
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: the next game. Oh he can't throw. Guess what you know,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: He'll throw for three hundred yards for three touchdowns in
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: the game, and then he'll go and say, hey, is
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: that what you want to see? Oh, he can only
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: rely on this guy. This guy goes down. Guess what
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: he beats you with this. It's I love the saying
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: everybody's better than Jalen Hurts until it's time to be
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: better than Jalen Hurts RaSE. And he continues to outplay
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: every elite quarterback he's faced, and people then say, we'll
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: look at his weapons, we'll look at their weapons. So
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: he outplayed Burrow, with Jamar and t Higgins, he all
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: played Mahomes, who was quote unquote the greatest of our era.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: He outplayed Lamar Jackson, who is should be a three
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: time MVP. He's outplayed these guys. He's outplayed these guys,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: So why doesn't he get his credit? But I enjoy
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: hearing oh he's not top five, he's not this because
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: I think if they did give him his flowers, I
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: think maybe it could play out a little differently. I
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: think the team feeds off that. I think he feeds
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: off of that. I know he sees it. We've seen
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: we've seen his responses to some of this. So I
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: think as long as he's that underdog and that okay,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: you know he's not this, he's still gonna be that
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: guy in Philly, and whether you like it or not,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: when it's all said and done in Philly, I think
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: will be QB one in Philly history.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think you're absolutely right too. Boy, what a
• 1:05:08
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