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January 23 Court Hearings: Judge Boyd, Simpson, Middleton + More | TCF Podcast #216 · The Courtroom Files

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Good morning everybody, happy super Friday.
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Welcome to the courtroom files live.
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It is good to have you here today.
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Let's make it a great day. We are going to start in the way
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back machine. However, courts are still kind
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of booting up, apparently, they all had updates last night, you
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know, so it takes extra time to boot up, but we'll start with
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Derek Meineke. This is from yesterday
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afternoon. It is in June, and then I'm
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making a note here. Need to confirm.
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Whether? it's a one year.
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Or. Five, your revocation.
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Anthony? What?
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Just when you get out, make sure you contact the Royal Court.
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To let him know that you're out. So we can, you know, make sure
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we have the information together and set a date for you.
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Okay. Thank you.
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Yeah. We just have to make sure we got
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we have where you're staying numbers things like that.
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Okay. Yeah that's interesting.
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Change the same address everything.
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Okay good. All right.
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All right. So then we'll see you sometime
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in June. In the meantime, just obviously
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keep your head down. Make no friends, get out of
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there as quickly as possible, and then and then, we'll see
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what the lay of land is, if we, if we get bad news, it's a five
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year. I'm still gonna take into
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account all the times you showed up for this court and still
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figure out a way to give you some type of consideration for
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being in this program. But if it's a one year, Oh, and
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then you Mr. Vega, and thank you have to have made a promise to
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yourself that you've spent enough time in jail.
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And so, it's time to make sure that, you know, we use this
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moment in time. There will never be a better
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time to go for your legends. Never be a better time to make
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the changes. You know, it's it's not
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tomorrow. Tomorrow, I'll do this tomorrow.
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I'll do this and tomorrow's now let's do it.
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Yes. Thank you judge.
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I really do. Thanks.
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I see in five months. All right, thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Mr. Hang out, right jump in with you have you have Macomb as
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well. Is that right?
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Yes. Okay.
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So that's Mr. Porsche and Mr. And got room.
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Three. Thank you. all right, Putnam
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2015 86527. Mr. Putman is currently in ocj,
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however he's been working with the bondsman and he's posted his
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bond, so he will be released. I believe today he comes to the
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court with a valid operator's license.
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He's had it for some time, he was booked on the 31st of
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December around in Royal Oak on the bench warrant and the second
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of January and posted bond for Royal Oak on the 14th.
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So I was going to ask you to consider Closing the file with
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12 days, jail credit. He did his fiancee did Post 100
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dollars and her name. And I would ask the courts
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consideration for perhaps returning that in Lewisville
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service. A longy.
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How long is he in? There's some other cases got
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going on in Southfield well he's he's supposed to.
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He's going to post that on today.
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So I anticipate he'll be released on that today.
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Okay, I have no issue. I have no issue with gimme
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credit for time. Sir these guys valid license,
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that's all great. If I return his bond, there's
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one one. Thing that I want to see happen
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with it because it's actually in his name.
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Oh, okay. I want I want to see him use it.
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Towards renewing his license, because his license expires, and
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like two weeks, right? He's aware of that.
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So I'm the court certainly is well within its rights to
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collect that money and apply it to you know, finds and costs.
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But but instead I'd rather give him credit for the time that he
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served, give me a chance to renew his license and get things
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started again. All right.
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Thank you. I have no problem with it.
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All right. Is there anything you'd like to
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say before this court imposes? Son's, I just want to say thank
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you. so I have just I certainly have high hopes for people who
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appear before me that that what I, you know, see as far as
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different choices that have made is not ultimately who Who they
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are, who they can be, and so Mr. Putman, you know, you walk out,
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you know, in, in a position to move forward.
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So these, these negative choices that have held you back and
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really painted a picture of you that I have to believe that that
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is not who you are at your course.
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So let's just get about the business of, you know, getting
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to your best life, all right? Thank you very much, 12 days in
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jail with 12 days credit. and, See here.
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I will waive any fines and costs.
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And any bench warranty or late fees.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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And I will release the bond. Back to.
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The defendant or third party, whoever's name it's in.
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All right, good luck Mr. Putman. Thank you.
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I'm Jacobs. Mr. Jacobs, if you could hit
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star six, To unmute. Jacobs are there.
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Can you hear me? Okay?
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You just have to hit star six because you're because you're
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muted right now. Hello.
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There's Mr. Jacob. All right. 22 01538 Glenn,
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Jacobs rather Elizabeth you on behalf of Glenn Jacobs.
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Who's on the telephone, Mr. Jacobs, how are you?
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I felt better but I'm here. Okay?
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So judge he is working with Miss Paddock of regarding his license
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restoration, he's following all of The protocol for that hearing
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preparation, the issue is monetary at this point in terms
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of you know going forward and getting the substance abuse
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evaluation and the 12th drug screen.
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So he's not been working. He's just here today to ask for
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more time because he's committed to working with his attorney to
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get his license. Are you going into this?
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We've talked about this many times, it's going to be a grind,
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but as long as Mr. Jacobs is asking me for more time.
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I'm going to allow that because What an accomplishment, it will
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be in what a tremendous sense of Pride that can be restored and
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knowing that. You know, you were willing to do
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what it took and you were willing to see it through all
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the way to the end. so, I mean that is That that I want for I
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want it because he's been here so long.
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I want him to have that that that that sense of
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accomplishment. So, Mr. Jacobs, if all you need
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for me is more time, I'm happy to give it to you, if that's
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what you're looking for. I would appreciate your honor.
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All right, so keep just chipping away there.
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You know this are our day will come.
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It will work way closer now than when we started and let's just
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keep plowing away, all right? I appreciate your honor.
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Thank you. Once again, good morning
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everybody. Happy Friday.
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Welcome to TCF live. We were in the way back machine,
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but of course are starting to come on line.
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Now, let's actually get into real-time courting Judge Anna,
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Marie anzalone. All right.
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So are you satisfied as I? Let me ask again, I satisfy with
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misunderstood as your attorney in the advice that she's giving
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you one. Hey, Miss Underwood, you wish to
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explain our challenge the accuracy or relevancy of any
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information in the presents report.
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I don't believe we do your honor.
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All right, before the court passes sentence, is there
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anything you'd like to say on behalf of Miss people?
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Your honor Miss Spiegel. Recognizes that she has.
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Really. Not.
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Available to herself of the opportunity that she's had her
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on her. She recognizes.
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That she should not have. left, when she did and She, she knows
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that was wrong. Miss Spiegel, acknowledges the
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problem, she appreciates what the probation department does.
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And I think, All things being equal, she would welcome.
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Another shot at probation but she understands the
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recommendation it's matter. Your honored.
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There are a couple things as she said, she would be interested in
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at some point being able. To pay your binding Godfather
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and get out of jail, your eyes. What do we call it?
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A buyout or whatever we call it? The second thing is that
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mythical does want in this case to have the no contact dropped,
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so that She can have contact with the other individual, your
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honor, we would ask for significantly less than me, 11
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months recommended. I don't believe it, you know, is
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appropriate. Missile understands that she
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needs help. And I think the sooner she gets
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that help on her own and if I know she comes to our office,
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Emily will be willing to help her.
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You know. So um, That's where we are here.
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Thank you. What?
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No contact. You can't talk, I'm sorry.
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I don't see a no contact in the probation violation,
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recommendation. Well, I guess it would probably
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end with the case you're on it, right?
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Okay. Yeah, it would.
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Okay, all right, Miss beagle. Is there anything you'd like to
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say in your own behalf? I know I screwed up, I shouldn't
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have ran for so long. And I know what I got to do when
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I get out of jail. so Missy Missy goal, you know you
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definitely were a bright star and our recovery Court program.
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You Excel, you were a positive influence on other people within
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the program. You were doing it.
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Exceptionally well, and obviously we understand relapses
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and what happens, but I don't understand why you just didn't
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come back because you were doing so well and you would have
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continued to do well and obviously you didn't, she did a
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bill herself of all the programs and she did exceptionally well,
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and I know she can do that again. but in light of the
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period of time, you absconded, And also the admission of using
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methamphetamine, I do find the sentence to be appropriate.
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So it's sense of the court that your probation will be
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terminated and you will serve 11 months in, Illinois, County
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Jail, both dockets. I'll give you credit for time
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served of 126 days on both dockets, obviously need
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probation terms that were in place.
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Would not be continued because your probation would be revoked.
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I don't know who the individual is on the no contact, but miss
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beagle. You know, you're an intelligent
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woman and you've been through this.
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So this individual is a bad. Influence on you or not a
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positive influence on your sobriety, then you yourself
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should not have contact with them.
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So now you do have the right to appeal the sentence to and we're
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going to send over to the jail three copies of your notice of
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right to pellet review. If you wish to peel the sun
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would fill out information on the form and mail it to the
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address listed on the form within 42 days.
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All right. Yeah.
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All right, thank you, I'm sorry, Excuse Me, Miss Jill.
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Um like 11 months in jail, with credit for 126.
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Okay, thank you, Sarah lockdown. Oh, okay, let's test a lockdown.
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All right. Okay, so, Mr. Taylor, you had an
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opportunity to use the zoom device in the hallway, in speak
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with your attorney. So if you reviewed that
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probation violation Report with him, sure, okay.
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Speak up for me a little bit. Okay.
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All right. Um, are you satisfied with Mr?
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Glazier, as you're turning in the advice that he's giving you
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all right, Mr. Glazier. Do you wish to explain or
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challenge the accuracy or relevancy of any information in
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the presents report? Know.
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Yeah that's um, I Looking at. I'm looking at.
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It doesn't really say. Um so I'm not sure if he has a
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prior charges or not. It mentions the reporting has no
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criminal history. Yeah. so, um, And there are no
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guidelines because it's a misdemeanor, Mr. Glazier, the
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recommendation is for finding class and the court will follow
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that recommendation. So is there anything you'd like
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to say on behalf of Mr. Taylor know you're Right, Mr. Taylor is
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there anything like saying your own behalf know?
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You're. All right, so you take note that
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Miss Banda did request as light of the sentences as possible and
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I believe she's here in the court today as well.
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So I will follow the recommendation on this and
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determining. The appropriate sentence.
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In this case, the court considers the seriousness of the
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offense here, his story, the principal personality, the
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statutory penalty, the cost of confinement, the sentencing
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guidelines report and recommendation of the probation
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department, as well as what is been set upon the record at this
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hearing the criteria in reasons for the sentence are the nature
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and grab the prince, the discipline appropriate to its
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commission deterrence against repetition by you and by others
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potential for reformation Vindication for long,
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protectionist Society. So, let me pull up, this is a
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misdemeanor So count, six. I know the felony finds
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impossible. I always know the mystery nose.
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So this was a reckless use of requirement and salt and
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Battery. All right, so there is on the
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assault and battery pouch. 100.00 fine. 50 dollars in state
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cost. And 75 dollar crime victim
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rights. Those are mandatory.
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Okay? And then on here somewhere,
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Yeah, my chart doesn't have that.
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So, um, I'm gonna order. $50 State cost on The Reckless use
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of a firearm charge. So that comes to 275.
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All right, how long do you need to pay that?
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90 days. Oh yeah, probably.
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So, okay, so give me 90 days to pay that you would pay that on
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the third floor, the courthouse and the clerk's office.
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Okay? And I think they take Cash.
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Usually, cashes always works, right Mr. Taylor obviously this
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behavior is outside of your normal behavior, you have.
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No prior record. You show a good work history.
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So what I would say is that being a partner is hard
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sometimes, you know, and if you guys are having struggles,
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there's nothing wrong with counseling, whether it's through
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a pastor or through a service or even online, they do it virtual.
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Now, there's nothing wrong with learning better Communications
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skills and better ways to handle conflict so, that, you know, I
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was never happens down which I thought it won't you.
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So you do have the right to appeal, the sentence.
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My bill is going to hand down to your notice of Right Temp pellet
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review I'm going to initial and date one copy for our records,
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the other copies are for you if you wish to appeal your site and
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you would fill out information on the form and mail it to the
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address will sound form with them 42 days, all right?
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Right. So, Mr. Taylor, you're all set
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90 days, make sure you pay that on the third floor, right?
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All right. Thank you.
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And the record should reflect and see that the sign popular,
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the notice of right to a pilot review.
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Mr. Leisure, you're still here. Are we good?
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Is that the only one you had? Someone have.
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Thank you. All right.
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Thank you. All right, Mr. Signs in the
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matter the people of the state of Michigan versus David.
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Royal signs phone number 24047 FH.
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This is the time set for a probation violation, sentencing.
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Miss Underwood, you've met with your client.
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I need a breakout with my client yesterday.
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I need to break out with my client.
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My zoom was cut off. So, Mr. Signs, I am going to
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open a breakout room for you. Misunderstood was the Halloween
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one. He turned.
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All right. So um, jail soon.
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Bye. And Ms. Underwood, go ahead and
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join that. Breakout room.
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TCF live on Friday, a super Friday.
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Hope you're all doing well today.
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It's good to have you here. Have a great day together today.
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Looking forward to it. Let's change it up.
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Let's stay in Michigan, but we'll go to Pontiac the 50th
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District Court Judge Jeremy, Jeremy Darnell Bowie.
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There we go, I'm sorry. All right, we're here for an
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exam, all the proceed. Yes, sir.
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All right pulmonary matters. Yes I have is the lab reports of
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the directions. 9 is a certified copy of conviction or Mr. Barker
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I don't think there's any objections to your mission.
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Not only that Mr. Harper either you're people is a very
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Examination purposes. Be as stipulation in the other
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pulmonary matters. There are a few other videos I
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actually didn't, I apologize. I didn't ask a professor was to
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do it circulating to the admission of the other exhibits.
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If not I can lay a foundation or missing, you can hear when they
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stand at the tables. I don't know who can accommodate
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the public, unless you take a testimony here.
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Yes. So thank you before them black
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much closer to you. Yeah.
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All right. Just keep your voice so miss you
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my sky. It's working.
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Okay little closer to take this better.
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Yeah you are lean over just keep your voice.
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Oh Any other matters these exit support and coach.
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All right. I'm not that there's individuals
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in the court, so it will put a mutual or sea frustration.
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If you remain in this court and your testimony, you'll be
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borrowed from testifying a circuit court.
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In this case, go to trial a search Court.
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I don't know the individuals in the court, on those case, I'm
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going to start with people in front of me to stand up to State
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their name. So, ma'am, right there.
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Can you stand up to state your name?
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It's gonna be all right, man. To the left station.
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And he, all right. Devin at the March. 81.
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All right so your name is protector so I don't know if the
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attorneys want to talk and see if they may know anything about
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this case. I'll give you about two minutes.
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But if you remain, you cannot justify a circuit court.
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So I just want to make sure everybody understands and all
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that. so, I'm guessing that's okay.
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Thank you. Okay.
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All right, so with my proceed. Yeah, it's called exact rubber
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theater. You swear a farm.
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So let's see the pain management probably testimony to church.
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And obviously I do you may be seen, that means, whatever you
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need the powerful because I'm sharing this Detective, how are
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you a boy? In the county sheriff's office,
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how can you start with his name? I want to say.
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Is actually Robert Peter, r, o b p.
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R t Vader, b. A d e r.
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This indicating you are my medical Sheriff's Office
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parents. Yes.
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How long have you been employed with the old Sheriff's Office?
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Over six years move. Hi.
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I'm going to direct your attention to September 23rd
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2025. We were working at that day.
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Yes. And were you contacted by a
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detective Michaels? Yes, I'm flowering contact with
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girls. She came asking for assistance
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in a malicious destruction of property report that she was
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currently investigating. Um, she stated that she had some
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video evidence that a vehicle that was damaged back.
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Window was shot out from an apparent.
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Shootout, that occurred in the Newman Court Apartments.
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Where are the human core parts will be there in between
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Kettering Avenue and Newman Lane within the city of Pontiac.
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And did you get an address for where this and a general address
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for the new place? I believe the victims address
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was 736 Kettering, the incident occurred on the roadway of
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Kettering. There are you familiar with the
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New York apartment complex? Yes, how are you calls when I
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worked the road? There we have some multiple
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investigations that have occurred in that same apartment
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complex throughout the years. Do you recognize this
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photograph? I do.
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What is this is an aerial map of the New York Times when I just
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please just described how he was informed Apartments.
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All right. It's set up in the it's
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essentially a rectangle, there's Kettering Avenue, which runs
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north and south on the west side of the apartment complex in the
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Newman Avenue, which also runs north and south on the east
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side. The we call them refrigerator
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was cut throughs, they're not technically streets, they're
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more or less parking lots but they run through each of the
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middle of the apartment buildings to connect Kettering a
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Newman. And then each apartment is kind
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of in a square with a courtyard in the middle and then there's
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longer accountable Harvest on the border.
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So it looks like well, let me go back.
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Does this image their fairly impacted to think anyone for our
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princess you know them to do? Yes, your next time.
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On behalf of Mr. Harper Jr. Okay, so we see that there's a a
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DOT there in between the 736. Is that correct?
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Yes. And that's a general area where
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the mdop took place. Yes, correct.
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After you've received this information from detective,
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mindfulness of what did you do? She had a security camera
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footage from her instant that the victim in that incident have
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provided her. I reviewed that security camera
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footage which showed the shooting Medical and now going
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you was people's proposed Exhibit 2.
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Detective, can you recognize this still shot?
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I do. What is Nostalgia from?
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This is a still shot from The Nest security camera from 736
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Kettering of the mdop and you reviewed this message security
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camera. Yes.
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And where within the name of our apartment's does this show?
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This is the street that you're looking at would be Kettering
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Avenue looking to sexually West. Um from 7th or 736 Kettering
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towards the roadway, and then slightly to the South to the
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left of the screen would be South into the north of the
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screen where the right of the screen would be more than you
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have an opportunity to bring you the entirety of this guests
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during the camera footage. Yes.
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And do you think that is a screenshot fairly and accurately
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shows the beginning of the video of the necessary camera that was
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providing website. It appears to be.
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Yes. All right, people's proposing,
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it too. As people's exhibit too.
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Any objection on Beacon Noble. I'm just an hour.
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No judge in our commercial. I can't hear it.
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Thank you, for sure. He just I'm sorry is not
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technically advanced. Facebook.
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Lindsay, thank you for the ten dollars for very much,
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appreciate that. Very kind of you and I hope you
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feel better soon. I really do.
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This video cut short is that correct?
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Yes. Why is it cut short?
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I believe that's just the amount of time.
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The nest security motion sensor was set up.
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It only reports for a certain amount of time based on the user
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settings. and we can see it from this video, that the That is
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appears to be a new world. Is that correct?
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Yes me. after you reviewed this, that's pretty Leo, what did you
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do? I then went to cross reference
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this incident to see if I can locate within the security
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camera footage for the actual newborns you indicated earlier
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than your familiar with the new important part is Kraft.
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Yes. Are you?
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You familiar with the video surveillance system set up
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within the human or yes. How are you familiar with them?
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We've worked closely with the management of Newman Court
32:20
Apartments for several years. Now of investigating incidents
32:24
within their apartment complex, specifically shootings, they
32:29
have multiple Exteriors security cameras fixated throughout the
32:37
apartment complex and staggered within the courtyards at the
32:41
rear of the townhomes and on the roadways in parking, lots as
32:46
well. No, there are some older cameras
32:52
that's still exists. That were several years old now,
32:56
they don't have any audio recording and they're a bit
33:00
different quality. The one newer ones that just
33:05
been installed within the last year.
33:07
So and those are of different quality.
33:10
There's many more of them, and almost all of them believed
33:14
record with audio as well. Thanks.
33:19
Um just due to management and meetings.
33:24
Some of the older cameras, have time stamps that are bit ahead
33:29
of the real time which the newer cameras are in line with Realty.
33:35
How are you generally be able to access these cameras?
33:38
Do you have to go on site? We can we've also been provided
33:42
through the new imported apartment remote access to their
33:46
system, to the fact that we constantly get called to Newman
33:51
for instance, that occur after hours.
33:54
And they did not want to have a delay and US responding to
33:58
investigate these incidents. Say you are, you yourself are
34:01
able to directly download or you this surveillance video.
34:06
Yes, they've granted that remote access to the Sheriff's Office.
34:10
Are you a little lovely video of shooting that?
34:15
Corresponding that's shown on this Nest security camera.
34:19
Just people to do that too. Yes.
34:21
And where is the camera that captured the shooting located
34:26
within the New York apartments? It would be a fixed or fixed to
34:32
one of the Townhomes, the East perimeter and it faces West
34:38
through one of those cut throughs westbound.
34:40
So it captures both Newman Lane and you can see Kettering.
34:44
Did you bring that video? Yes.
34:46
And was there a time stamp on there?
34:49
There was always the timestamp. He was approximately 209 a.m.
34:54
President newer camera or a Boulder Camera.
34:56
This is the newer game. So, liberal line with real time,
34:59
press, yes. This, what was the date of the
35:07
video that showed the war that show the shooting September 18th
35:11
2025. And showing you where people's
35:19
proposing three detectives you recognize, this still image I
35:24
do. And how do you recognize it?
35:26
Um, this is the still image from that camera on Newman Lane that
35:32
I was just talking about, showing down that cut through
35:37
to, from Newman Lane, to carry. And as this still shot, early to
35:44
picked the first image captured in the CCTV, video of the
35:49
shooting that took place at around 2:09 a.m.
35:52
September 18th 2012. Yes, it appears.
35:55
So. All right, that's how we should
35:57
let people propose. Exhibitors people exhibit free.
36:00
He was actually, Mr. Know, you're onto Mister No Church in
36:06
April Mr. Polish you know and for the recording which part of
36:11
the screen share DVD drafting our attention.
36:13
Oh, go ahead. Oh, you always have been sharing
36:20
in the middle. Yeah.
36:21
The area to focus on would be right up here in this, the
36:25
common Landmark. That is a view right here.
36:27
These are the mailboxes for the apartment complex.
36:32
So, the area to pay attention, where the shooting increases
36:36
right in this area. and then, as it plays out, you can Follow
36:42
along, you can explain I guess. For those of you who will be
37:58
listening on the podcast. Sorry, no, I'm talking over.
38:03
But on the podcast, I have these moments of Silence, the
38:06
reviewing video able to how we individuals Remains The
38:10
Offspring to and were you able to see Muzzle flashes from both
38:18
the individuals. Yes.
38:20
How many gunshots approximately do you believe that you heard
38:24
more than 10? And so we see which direction do
38:30
the shooters shoot. Um, again the camera is facing
38:37
westbound. So to the right would be North
38:40
into the luck, would be South, the suspects come from the
38:44
south, and then they are shooting Northbound capacity
38:51
which direction do the teacher's right. um, they first runs
38:57
essentially South East down that cup through and then Force the
39:05
East behind the East Grove townhouse Are you able to locate
39:12
any other videos that corresponds directly with the
39:15
shooting? Yes.
39:16
And where for video specifically during that showed fishing over
39:24
right around the time of the shooting?
39:26
How many videos did you find? um, there's multiple showing the
39:32
events just proceeding and then immediately following after
39:36
basically, throughout the entire complex, based on where the
39:40
suspects were at and went to after I'm now showing you with
39:46
people propose exhibit for Detective, what are we looking
39:51
at? This is a still image.
39:54
Of. One of the older cameras from
39:59
the Newman Court Apartments. This camera where we're looking
40:04
at that last camera view where we're looking at.
40:06
When you're looking down the top, through the apartment
40:10
blocks, on the left in between Kettering and Newman, this is
40:14
actually a fixed to the north west corner of that building and
40:20
it was facing south for carrying.
40:25
So towards the upper left corner would be South and sports the
40:31
great of the stream of Morris in that rotary right.
40:33
There is Kettering Avenue. So that cut through would be
40:37
just being the background or the behind where the video is being
40:42
shown. now, we can see the time stamp on your indicates to 1157,
40:48
is that times the Correct know, it's a proximately four or so
40:55
minutes head of real time. Is this?
40:59
Because it is an older camera. Correct.
41:01
This is one of the older first ones that were installed a new
41:05
works. Now again, this is a still
41:07
shockman video. Do you even familiar with the
41:10
video associated with this stuff like that?
41:13
Yes. After you have an opportunity to
41:15
review it? Yes, this does.
41:17
This still shot fairly and accurately dependent?
41:19
The CTE video as you have started it I'm showing a
41:23
shooting on or shooting showing incidents related to what you're
41:27
doing. Art spectator.
41:27
Yes, if you're so I got people's opposite Force people's exhibit
41:33
four. I'll be here from Mr. Harper Jr,
41:36
we have Mr. No no just Republican So well they're doing
41:48
that real quick. Lindsay. 10 gifted memberships
41:51
on top of your super chatter earlier.
41:52
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41:55
memberships. Thank you very much and Grandma
41:57
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41:59
Thank you so much. You guys are the best, you mean
42:03
you really are. It's it's an amazing Community.
42:06
You guys always line up Beyond, excuse me, line up behind me
42:09
each and every day. And it continues to amaze me
42:12
that some old balding guy yelling into a microphone and
42:16
showing court gets so much love and I appreciate it.
42:18
Thank you. And Barbara gifting five members
42:40
ships. Thank you Barbara, appreciate it
42:42
very much. again, if you're listening on the podcast side,
42:46
when we have these moments of Silence during their reviews,
42:54
from the we're driver side, passenger seat and the other is
43:16
observed actually being from the right passengers on and, Is
43:26
there anything that you can? Notice about the Suburban, I
43:32
know the quality is not great, but is there anything that you
43:34
notice about server? There, it appears to be some
43:41
running boards on these side of it like footsteps, I guess, you
43:45
can call. The appears to be white as well.
43:50
Now, I like to go back. Now that you have, you found
43:55
videos of the shooting, either immediately before, or
43:59
immediately. After, did you find any
44:02
additional security book of footage?
44:05
In addition to these videos, determine the dead of the
44:08
shooter? Yes, So I'd like to go to
44:11
approximately one 45 a.m. we will locate any species on TV
44:15
this server. Yes.
44:20
What video did she wrote me? Um, there's a video of it
44:25
entering into the new Quarter Apartments. initially and then
44:32
parking up in the northeast corner of the apartment complex,
44:36
which would be on Newman Lane and there was Leader has
44:41
cracked. Yes, CCTV.
44:43
That you renewed yourself? Yes.
44:45
And were there anything noticeable about the suburb in
44:48
it? in those videos, again, we were
44:52
able to it's in Color, we could tell that.
44:56
He's able to serve as a white colored Suburban.
44:59
It had these running step forwards on the sides and
45:03
there's also missing the hubcap for the front, right?
45:09
Are you also able to locate these serving the white jeep
45:14
that we saw on this video? Yes.
45:16
And at, what time does the Jeep, pull into our partners,
45:21
approximately 15 minutes later and actually two a.m.
45:26
On the east. And it's where in genuine Park
45:31
City. Florida.
45:32
You see Mary that northeast corner of the water departments
45:37
from red Suburban as correct. They are the same general area.
45:42
Some points did occupants of the Suburban and interact with the
45:46
occupancy. Yes, black Approximately five,
45:52
six minutes. After the cheap arrives, just
45:56
before the shooting occurs. Exactly.
45:59
Do you think you can kind of set the Scene.
46:01
So we understand it's pretty late at night but it's in these
46:04
new report Apartments what's going on in the parking lot at
46:07
this time. Um, there's General, I guess you
46:10
would just kind of call them like block parties, hang out
46:14
during the nicer months of the year Newman Court Apartments is
46:21
very frequently busy especially at least hours of people just
46:24
hanging out drinking with, you know, their neighbor's are just
46:29
people of friends that show up their feet, multiple vehicles
46:33
that pull up and just kind of hang out.
46:36
Are the cameras that are? Recording the particular area of
46:42
North Carolina. There's a mix of both both
46:45
primarily its New York cameras now.
46:47
So do you have clear view of individuals that are in this
46:51
area? Yes.
46:53
So dedicated that at some point the occupants of suburban
46:58
interactive optimistic, you can you describe what is
47:03
international? Looks like there to be a loud.
47:06
Verbal altercation that occurs with These.
47:13
At least some of the occupants of the Suburban and with one of
47:18
the occupants the primary, the driver of this Jeep as he's
47:22
walking by Did you recognize anyone in the videos from this
47:31
interaction based on those? Me personally know.
47:36
Now, what happens after the this argument or interaction takes
47:40
place? After the altercation takes
47:45
place the two. There's two people from the
47:52
Potentially altercation that get into the Jeep one of or into the
47:55
Suburban, excuse me, one of them gets into that rear driver's
48:00
side, passenger door and the other gets into the front
48:04
passenger seat of the Suburban, um, being driven by and unknown
48:09
person who remained in the vehicle.
48:11
And then that Suburban proceeds to A, leave the parking spot
48:18
that it was in driving South on Newman and then turning West
48:24
into that first cut through, to go to Kettering Avenue.
48:27
Okay? So we know that after this
48:30
interaction teams plays occupancy of achievement of
48:33
suburban they get in and they drive and they believe that
48:37
immediate terms, you correct the Suburban leaves first and then
48:41
shortly after the driver gets into the Jeep and takes the
48:46
same. Yes. so, we know that the
48:48
shooting occurs at a really cool 9 a.m.
48:53
To locate any other species can be that showed up immediately.
48:56
What happens in immediately after she was shooting, takes
49:00
place. Yes.
49:02
What video Did You observe? Um there's video of the two
49:07
suspects after we'd seen them in the shooting video.
49:11
Immediately ran towards the east to the back east row of
49:16
Apartments. There's cameras fixed to the
49:20
rear of those Townhomes, which captured the backyard,
49:23
essentially the fence line of the East perimeter of Newman
49:27
court and it shows them Running and walking into back and forth
49:32
from there. I am showing you what is Eagles
49:38
prop. I do I recognize that this is a
49:46
still shot from that. One of the video cameras, I was
49:49
explaining from the rear Of the Townhomes.
49:54
Specifically, this one, if you see the Name timestamp, there's
50:00
his back of 752. That would be, it's this is a
50:03
fixed to the back of 752 Newman Lanes.
50:08
And then the time stamps up there for September 8th. 2010 am
50:15
hi. Yeah.
50:18
You have an opportunity to review the video associated with
50:21
this special shop. Yes.
50:22
So shocked area after his activities.
50:25
We observed it for the shooting. That surprise on our office
50:30
number 18, 201. Actually, defective before I do
50:48
that, is this timestamp correct? Yes.
50:51
So this tour, I am is correct. It's 2:10, I'm yes.
52:06
so, since I have to kind of describe what in the user in
52:12
most cases, I guess we can establish just the directional
52:19
frame of reference, the camera and spacing Beast.
52:21
So to the right is south and to the left is North, it showed the
52:29
scene two suspects from the prior video, running Northbound
52:35
through the backyards from that cut through, where they would
52:39
have ran through, and then they stop such a right up towards the
52:43
left-hand side of the screen. North, that's would be the North
52:47
and northeast corner of the new quarter Park Apartments.
52:53
Here's they stopped and they here to reload and exchange some
52:59
ammunition or magazines for two black handgun.
53:04
Sports one that each had. Now, is there, did you write
53:09
similar to why he died? Yes, there's again multiple CCTV
53:20
cameras with audio. Just like this one that are
53:22
fixed to the rear, the town of homes.
53:24
That starts from here self to the end of the complex.
53:31
Where this video aligned with the video that we saw the actual
53:36
screening itself and the direction in which this new
53:39
individuals, brand after the shooting took place?
53:42
Yes. And is there other videos, did
53:46
you review other videos, sort of the Defenders run throughout the
53:50
apartment complex. Yes.
53:51
How many videos? At least a dozen or so.
53:56
Um, they remain. Back for almost about 30 minutes
54:02
of 40 minutes in the back, the area, going back to and from
54:08
North. And southbound of the south from
54:12
the North End of the complex down to the South And then back
54:16
up several times as if they're trying to check out the area to
54:20
make sure Coast was clear goes social relationship.
54:25
That's fine. I need together the entire time.
54:30
Yes, I'm video. Yes.
54:32
Did you ever stop right? Not that you can see on video
54:35
though. So many time from the shooting.
54:38
To. Pretty much and when we leave
54:43
him in court apartments are the individuals showed us to TV
54:48
Avril. Um, did you find any other
54:54
species that better shows that face and bodies of the two
54:57
Shooters? Yes.
55:02
I'm showing you what is people's proposed, exhibits 6.
55:07
Detective. Do you recognize this still
55:11
shot? You appears to be very similar
55:15
to The Still shot from the actual shooting.
55:16
Is that grass. It is actually the same time.
55:19
It's the same camera. Yes.
55:20
Okay. And you see that the timestamp
55:22
is a little different. Can you believe that this still
55:31
shot fairly? And accurately depicts, the
55:34
video, CCTV video, that's associated with this little
55:37
shop. Yes.
55:38
And the shooting that took place on September 18th 2015.
55:41
Yes, I was looking at 6 people. We have Mr. Junior, no
55:48
objection. We have.
55:49
It was an article for example in.
55:52
Thank you. Our commercial Publix.
57:23
Okay, so they have to be described.
57:25
So it'll be Heart and wild with the studio trials.
57:28
Um, this shows the two suspects emerging from another.
57:34
There's a cut through between the apartment living apartment
57:40
buildings just a little left. There's screen again.
57:44
This is facing west. So to the left would be South
57:49
and the right would be North, they come from the south walk.
57:54
North of this is Newman Lane. They then stop and One of them
58:02
walks up and appears to knock on a door to one of the apartments,
58:06
all the other weights and then afterwards there.
58:11
See now walking down the sidewalk South the entire State
58:16
on this is 240 8. Yes, There are all so 70.
58:31
Go back. Did you guys see some TV of the
58:36
shooters eventually leaving the report Department?
58:39
Yes, And around. He recall around.
58:44
What time they left a new border.
58:46
It's a few minutes after this video, actually, I believe it's
58:49
around 2:50 a.m. today. We moved together.
58:52
Yes. I'm showing you.
58:58
What is people's proposed, is it instead detected, you recognize
59:02
the still shot. I do I recognize that this is a
59:07
still shot from one of the newer cameras for the front
59:12
essentially, entrance of Newport Apartments.
59:15
This is one of the first lots for Newport this.
59:23
Would be watching or facing west.
59:26
So again, to the left would be South into the right would be
59:30
North to establish some of the great ways, but we're actually
59:34
looking at, is the throwaway, right?
59:38
Here, this is a roadway call. Manhattan.
59:42
And then Manhattan runs into directly the new record
59:46
departments, which of each of the right here.
59:48
And then this road right here, that a jocks into the left
59:51
traveling on that. So the leasing office is
59:55
technically this driveway right here.
59:58
Potassium button list is 2501. Is that correct?
1:00:02
Yes, and that has killed for us. Yes.
1:00:05
Did you working this? It seems to be associated with
1:00:08
this still shop. Yes, it's fairly and accurate
1:00:12
way to paint the video. As you will be there.
1:00:15
Yeah. For sure that took place honor
1:00:19
about 700 to 20025. Yes.
1:00:21
Yeah. They're at the time, I moved to
1:00:24
admit people's propositions people visit at 7.
1:00:27
Or so I already have seven in the lab report.
1:00:30
Oh, you're right. You're on her.
1:00:32
So I will amend this to have any elements to people's visit at
1:00:36
10:00. Okay?
1:00:37
All right, on behalf of Mr. Harper Jr.
1:00:40
For example, we have people living in Europe, you know,
1:01:29
It's TCF live. It's Friday.
1:01:32
I hope you're all enjoying yourselves having good day
1:01:34
again. We're in judge, Jeremy Darnell
1:01:37
Bowie's Court in Pontiac Michigan.
1:01:38
This is a preliminary exam, the pauses that you hear.
1:01:42
If you're on the podcast side, that's where the reviewing
1:01:44
video. Of the alleged crime years.
1:01:50
Yes. so, in addition to the videos that show the shooters,
1:01:59
did you just doing um, Before or during just during his time here
1:02:10
do you know it was the directly after the shooting the Suburban,
1:02:14
flees the area south on Kettering, okay?
1:02:18
And then it comes back at correct correct.
1:02:22
Did you also observe CCTV of the shooting victim or the
1:02:29
individual shot at? Yes, and did a show.
1:02:35
What that individual did immediately after the shooting
1:02:39
Railways? Yes.
1:02:40
What did that CCTV video? Show.
1:02:43
It showed the Jeep. Traveling back from the area of
1:02:48
Kettering where the first that nest camera showed that it was
1:02:52
stopped and shot at. But then drives back through the
1:02:59
cut through two Newman Lane and then drives back up Northbound
1:03:04
to that. Northeast corner of Newman Lane
1:03:07
of the apartment complex where he goes were initially parked in
1:03:12
hanging out. did he did appear to be inside that jeep, just won
1:03:20
Did that occupied appears to be his team occupants as the
1:03:25
earlier in the night? When there was that interaction
1:03:27
between the applicants of the Suburban?
1:03:30
You know? Yes.
1:03:33
In addition to their your observations about the shooter
1:03:37
and the individual shot. Did you were you able to discern
1:03:42
the license plate numbers for each of those Vehicles?
1:03:45
Yes. Did you run a license plate
1:03:48
number for the Suburban through lean.
1:03:50
Yes. And what were the results it
1:03:53
came back registered to a Blue lamika Bell.
1:03:58
I was at 117 will work drive within the city of Pontiac.
1:04:07
After. Group after it, if you got the
1:04:09
name of Monica Bell or Miss Bell, what did you do?
1:04:12
We cross-reference the license plate with, within Columbus, our
1:04:17
Report rating system, to see if anyone else was associated with
1:04:20
that. People, any accident reports in
1:04:23
pounds, traffic, citations I found that the that same vehicle
1:04:29
have been issued. Two recent moving violations
1:04:34
with a driver who was listed as a William Harper Jr.
1:04:40
Did you learn the game? Yes.
1:04:44
What were the results? Um, his SOS address was listed
1:04:48
as to 63 West Fairmount Avenue, within the city of Pontiac lean
1:04:55
also showed him to be currently on parole through MDOC and MDOC
1:05:00
listed a parole address of 117 wool Drive was in the city
1:05:05
pilot. Right.
1:05:12
Do you also have an opportunity to pull up his marriage photos
1:05:17
for yes? And What did it appear to do
1:05:22
when you looked at my first photo versus the CCC video?
1:05:26
He appeared to match on one of the suspects.
1:05:29
Exactly how many years? In West.
1:05:34
That day, I believe. Would that be honor about
1:05:39
September 25th? Yes.
1:05:42
What did you tell Royal Apartments?
1:05:46
Um, I advised her that I believe, Mr. Harper appeared to
1:05:53
be involved in a shooting at altercation that occurred within
1:05:57
the city of Pontiac on this date and time asked her, if she would
1:06:04
be able to review the CCTV footage in order to see if she
1:06:11
could possibly identify if Mr. Harper was, in fact, one of the
1:06:15
Suspects Did you think that provides?
1:06:18
He's yes. Um, they were from that.
1:06:27
The same camera angle where the shooting was and where they are
1:06:31
served a walking up and knocking on that apartment door later.
1:06:37
family that you confirm making information with, Mr. Harper's
1:06:42
coalition. she confirmed his addresses, as Being those two,
1:06:50
you know to what about phone number.
1:06:52
Oh yes. Now, you went to the Newman.
1:06:57
Fork Apartments, did you ever go to Newport Apartments physically
1:07:01
yourself? Yes.
1:07:02
What did you do that? The 23rd of September?
1:07:08
and, What about that? Detective Mouse.
1:07:18
Where within the new reporters did you go specifically the area
1:07:23
of the shooting scene near those mailboxes.
1:07:25
We were able to recover 9 9. Mm, shell casing within that
1:07:33
same area of where the shooting was observed.
1:07:37
The current on video Do you ever returned apartment complex?
1:07:42
Yes. Right.
1:07:45
I believe it was a few it was like a week or so later we did a
1:07:50
recampus of the area to see if there's any additional shell
1:07:55
casings that were initially missed.
1:07:57
And there was an additional nine millimeter shell casing
1:08:00
recovered in that same grass area near the mailboxes.
1:08:08
You eventually had an opportunity to speak with Mr.
1:08:12
Offers that correct? Yes.
1:08:13
What I believe that was September 30th.
1:08:21
Organization. He was brought him.
1:08:24
Yes. Right.
1:08:28
Yes. and, Do you see Mr? Harper today.
1:08:35
Yes. Some other identifying teacher.
1:08:42
He's cheated to the right hand table.
1:08:46
That was defense counsel. He's wearing orange jumpsuit.
1:08:49
he's got heated well, White Sox, you're not a lot of records that
1:08:55
Ident. So, What is anything did Mr
1:09:04
Harper tell you with respect to where he lives.
1:09:07
He confirmed that he lives or live currently at the time at
1:09:12
263 West Fairmont, which was his grandma's address and they lived
1:09:16
in the basement. Um, he stated he just recently
1:09:19
moved there about a month before and that were the 117 Warwick
1:09:25
Drive was his mother's address where he was previously living.
1:09:28
He just had not updated his oral address.
1:09:32
What is anything in this car? Hard to say, with respect to the
1:09:35
vehicle after he drives, he confirmed that he primarily
1:09:39
drives his mother's white Suburban.
1:09:43
That's our conversation perspective, September 18th,
1:09:46
2015. Not really.
1:09:51
Um, I did ask him about it, he Initially denied most of the
1:10:00
questions that I asked, when I asked him, who they were arguing
1:10:04
with and got into an argument with he did, indicate that he
1:10:08
didn't know who it was. Yeah, did you also run the
1:10:14
license plate number for that wedding?
1:10:17
Yes oh my gosh um it was the found to be in out of state.
1:10:22
Illinois played for a rental vehicle, yeah, and Um, did you
1:10:30
eventually learn the renter of that team?
1:10:34
Yes. Was the name of Billerica Cube?
1:10:36
Jamari Burns. Do you have an opportunity to
1:10:39
speak with your neighbors? Yes, when We leave, that was the
1:10:44
26th of September. He came to the substation for
1:10:48
interview. Are you what?
1:10:51
That Mr. Burns. Did you determine that was the
1:10:54
same individual? That was shown on all of the
1:10:58
CCTV that you have reviewed for September 18th 2025.
1:11:02
Yes, you can prove that You also had an opportunity to interview
1:11:08
that correct? Yes, when was that interview?
1:11:13
I believe it was enough Tober at one.
1:11:17
Say there's 26. He come into the police station,
1:11:25
he was brought on you. See a lot of courtroom today.
1:11:31
I do And please identify him, buying pointing to go to heaven
1:11:36
and harmful clothing more some other identifying feature.
1:11:39
He seated to the left of the table um wearing a orange
1:11:43
jumpsuit and he has black socks with great tips.
1:11:47
Um, for the organization or left affected beer.
1:11:49
Yes, yes, your honor that record reflects that we just identify
1:11:54
the defendant or someone. Yeah.
1:11:58
You had an opportunity to interview Mr. Hardcraft yes.
1:12:02
See Maria guys. Yes.
1:12:03
Writing yes. Yes.
1:12:05
Team with you? Yes.
1:12:07
What if anything did Mr. Dinar say with respect me, his
1:12:10
registered address. He stated that he lived.
1:12:13
I believe it's a or Apple Lane. What if anything did say,
1:12:18
respect? You knowing really Harper?
1:12:22
I'm their friends. What if anything did Mr. Thing
1:12:27
with respect to knowing tomorrow's initially, he stated
1:12:32
he didn't Personally know him but later learned his
1:12:37
identification and knew him as Jamari Burns.
1:12:41
Ordinating good, Mr. David, she saw in the morning, burns on
1:12:46
September heated 20035. He confirmed he did.
1:12:49
He burns on September 18th 2004. Yes.
1:12:56
What if anything did Mr? Dinar say, with respect to eat
1:12:58
in a Suburban, on September 18th, 2025 He confirmed being in
1:13:03
a Suburban. And what is anything?
1:13:06
Else did Mr. Donna say, the respect to our feeding that
1:13:11
employees on September to be together.
1:13:12
He didn't make any denials of being present for Certain
1:13:20
questions that we're trying to ask, try to ask me directly
1:13:24
about it. He didn't wish to speak about
1:13:27
without consulting. An attorney before him, we move
1:13:30
past those just on But he indicated that.
1:13:37
They were not the first to Fire and he didn't deny.
1:13:44
Firing any of shots. But he denied that they were the
1:13:48
first to actually fire as he claimed that there were Their
1:13:55
shot at before. I remember her.
1:14:10
You did not personally with us and he shooting at September
1:14:15
18th. No man, hey, you're knowledge of
1:14:18
what happened house entirely from video reports and what
1:14:22
other people told, right? Yes, The nest camera footage
1:14:27
from 736 Kettering that one did not have any embedded date or
1:14:35
time stamp on the video itself. Right.
1:14:38
Three. And from that last video, Which
1:14:43
I believe was exhibit. Number two, you never actually
1:14:48
see a shooter on screen. You just see the vehicle and
1:14:54
hear the gunshots, correct? Correct.
1:14:56
And then absolutely video cuts off.
1:14:58
Yes. And then the dream is off to the
1:15:00
side of the frame and the shooter's are completely off the
1:15:05
screen during the shots. Correct.
1:15:07
Yes. And then so the nest footage
1:15:11
alone, cannot identify who fired any of the shots. is far as from
1:15:19
the Two like the two suspects from the other videos.
1:15:22
No. Because they're off screen
1:15:24
obviously. But in that video, there's no
1:15:27
one else that I can observe that our firing gun shows on screen.
1:15:31
And then the Newman Court video system that has.
1:15:34
That's the one with Multiple different cameras and they each
1:15:38
have their own internal clock, correct.
1:15:42
I don't know if they're an internal, I believe it's like an
1:15:44
internet time because they're connected to the Internet.
1:15:47
So I believe that's, you know, in the I don't know how to call
1:15:52
it the like, just like your phone's like, have, you know,
1:15:55
that's not in terms like it's connected to the internet so it
1:15:57
can be able to So it's the real world time on all of them.
1:16:03
They don't each have their, and they're all connected to a
1:16:06
network of Ahead of time, correct?
1:16:13
That's one of the older cameras those, I believe do have.
1:16:21
Like an internal clock. Probably okay. and, You have
1:16:28
personally verify any of those timing mechanisms Digimon know,
1:16:32
I mean we don't have that. That's okay.
1:16:37
All right. And the video's that you review
1:16:40
their all from fixed cameras, those limited viewing options.
1:16:47
From different angles and resolutions product.
1:16:51
Correct. They're fixed, they don't pan or
1:16:53
anything like that. Some of them are a bit wider
1:16:56
lens and then the new ones, as I said, most of them have audio,
1:17:00
that's about the only difference.
1:17:03
But through all of the videos that no point, you see a beer
1:17:07
close-up image of anyone, actually, Firing the gun from
1:17:12
their hand. that the camera was able to capture know that, um,
1:17:19
The video of the shooting. You can see muzzle flashes of
1:17:22
the two suspects firing. Yes.
1:17:23
But from far away, right? I understand yes.
1:17:30
And then you concluded in your report that the individuals for
1:17:35
aiming and firing based on body position muscle fledges.
1:17:40
And not based on anything that was and he asked closer and You
1:17:51
identify my client, Mr. Harvard through his prior images through
1:17:56
MDOC. Through an mboc photograph,
1:18:00
right? I didn't identify them.
1:18:04
Personally I he appeared to match the suspect description of
1:18:08
all of them and then I contacted his parole agent who was able to
1:18:12
positively identify him as this one of the suspects from the
1:18:16
video. So no civilian witness ever came
1:18:21
forward to identify Mr. As a shooter in the System know.
1:18:27
There's no Source statement from any third party.
1:18:30
That identified Mr. Harvard has a shooter know.
1:18:34
Um and the parking lot. You indicated that you were loud
1:18:40
arguing and yelling yelling but you couldn't make out specific
1:18:44
words that correct not Not all of them.
1:18:49
There's a few keywords that you can kind of make out, but again,
1:18:53
it's just a lot of arguing, a lot of yelling, it seems.
1:18:56
Okay. So you didn't hear anyone threat
1:18:57
to kill anybody. Not that.
1:19:00
I recall know. Yeah. during the argument, you
1:19:05
cannot Visualize Mr. Harper with the gun.
1:19:09
Is that correct? No. and, You indicated that Mr.
1:19:18
Burns. Had a black unknown object in
1:19:22
his hand. Is that what was that?
1:19:25
A referencing a report that there was a black object?
1:19:28
That Mr. Burns had appeared at one point directly, after the
1:19:34
altercation as they separated, if you're there.
1:19:37
He did have some sort of black object in his hand but we're
1:19:39
unable to determine exactly what that object would have been that
1:19:43
object was never recovered. Is that correct?
1:19:45
Not that I'm work. No. after the shooting, when my
1:19:55
client is observed at the backyards, you stated that you
1:20:02
interpreted as Then defendants reloading.
1:20:06
Our hands Sac. Correct.
1:20:07
Yes. And that's based on your
1:20:10
observation of their movements. You don't have any up clothes
1:20:14
for footage of that. Is that correct?
1:20:17
Correct. Just based on their movements.
1:20:19
This sound that my training experience that is indicative of
1:20:24
a hand on being Reloaded. and, You didn't find any spend
1:20:29
magazines or ammunitions in those backyards areas?
1:20:33
Did you know, And you don't have any clear video stills of up,
1:20:41
close of my client reloading, a handgun or anything like that
1:20:44
from the backyard area. I'm not specifically of
1:20:48
reloading. There's a I know there are a
1:20:52
couple different camera angles which are much closer as they
1:20:55
run by at certain points but not specifically of like reloading
1:20:59
like that. No.
1:21:01
And you're aware that. I believe it's a Jeep.
1:21:07
Cherokee just saying several bullet impacts.
1:21:11
Correct. Yes.
1:21:12
Um, But obviously you're not a Firearms or holistic lab expert.
1:21:19
Correct? No.
1:21:20
To your knowledge, has a lab report member produced.
1:21:24
That's definitely matches any of the show Hastings are bullets to
1:21:29
the Taurus, g3c. That was found later on the
1:21:33
Fairmont address. Yes.
1:21:36
Yes, it has been. Yes.
1:21:38
Um, but the projectile that was recovered.
1:21:44
There wasn't anything that was discovered on Mr. Hartford as
1:21:48
far as projectile voting anything like that.
1:21:50
I'm sorry. I guess I'm Found like during
1:21:55
this person. When he was arrested.
1:21:57
Yes. Oh, directly on his person.
1:22:02
No, I don't believe so. Um, Let's talk about the 263.
1:22:12
Fairmont for a minute. The tourist handgun was found
1:22:15
inside of you were part of that search, correct?
1:22:18
Yes. All right, the tourist handgun
1:22:21
was found inside of Ben and the basement bedroom, right?
1:22:25
Yes, I believe that's where. Detective Rogers founded.
1:22:29
Yeah. And that then was out of plain
1:22:31
sight on a. Was it under a nightstand?
1:22:34
Yeah, I believe it was like he called it makes stand or like a
1:22:38
dresser had like open face no doors or anything.
1:22:42
It was just like a chef essentially. all right, but
1:22:46
that's been wasn't labeled with my Of state or anything, was it?
1:22:50
Not the bin itself. I don't believe no and were
1:22:56
there ever any fingerprint results?
1:22:58
That connected Mr. To establish that Mr. Harper and handled that
1:23:03
moment. None that I believe have come in
1:23:05
yet. No.
1:23:07
You swap for DNA at all? I believe detective.
1:23:10
Rogers did Yeah, the residents, the Fairmont residents.
1:23:18
That's not owned by Mr. Harper. Correct.
1:23:21
Correct. I believe he communicate.
1:23:23
That was a grandmother's primary residence.
1:23:26
Yeah. Were you able to ask retaining
1:23:28
how long Mr? Harvard had been living that?
1:23:30
Yes, he indicated upon a month? but other adults also resided in
1:23:36
the home, his grandmother for sure there was another Female
1:23:42
there. But I Don't believe she stayed
1:23:47
that she primarily lived there. Okay.
1:23:53
During your interview Mr. Harper did eventually request his right
1:23:59
to Castle and then but your questioning stop.
1:24:02
Is that correct me? But during your questioning, he
1:24:05
never admitted or fast to possessing any firearm related
1:24:10
to this incident? Is that correct?
1:24:11
And he never admitted to shooting at anyone.
1:24:16
Correct. No, man.
1:24:21
And were you also involved with a jail call?
1:24:24
That was at issue here? Yes. so, you listen, To a jail
1:24:30
call and you can believe that to be Mr. Harper.
1:24:32
Is that correct? Yes.
1:24:34
And during this call, Mr. Parker allegedly referred to the
1:24:40
Hookup, correct? Yes, and that's a slang term,
1:24:44
correct. Yes, it could have multiple
1:24:46
meetings depending on the context, It could and our
1:24:52
experience that primarily would mean of a firearm.
1:24:57
Okay, what would you agree? It could be, it could be
1:25:00
anything. He never said during this
1:25:04
telephone call. That Forest.
1:25:09
He made reference about when the search warrant was happy that he
1:25:13
initially wasn't sure that was the police or who it was and he
1:25:16
didn't make reference of going to arm himself with this hook up
1:25:21
beforehand. Thank you just said something
1:25:27
that's all. I am.
1:25:30
Field. All right, cross on PDF was just
1:25:43
thank you for supporting but we present at 4 Presentation, I'm
1:25:55
sorry. I'm present, F4 have to wait for
1:25:58
search. by the time I had already been completed, was
1:26:02
curved this, um, initially for, it was a Fugitive apprehension,
1:26:08
warrant by our future app. Engine team that came into a
1:26:11
retreat Minister Dennard. Basically that arrested in a
1:26:17
restaurant. Correct.
1:26:18
And then while they were in there in Plainview, they
1:26:21
observed some items that they believed were pertinent.
1:26:25
Perhaps this investigation. I attained a search warrant for
1:26:28
that and while the search warrant was being cured by me.
1:26:33
Our partners in the task force, detective, Rogers and detective
1:26:37
Hendrick stood by secured the residence.
1:26:40
Once the search warrant was obtained, they completed the
1:26:43
search warranty know it's right? No.
1:26:48
And no, let's talk about 7509. Correct and then there's one
1:27:00
more found in a later date. Correct in that same area.
1:27:04
It's like, if you look at, it's like a tree or a bush that's
1:27:07
like just south of the mailboxes, they're primarily
1:27:10
found in that grass area there and then in a trail leading kind
1:27:15
of South to It's like a driveway or a couple of the entrance of
1:27:21
the cup through to Kettering. That's where they were all
1:27:24
leadership, right? Yes really.
1:27:28
All the same rate. I can't recall if they're all
1:27:31
the same brand I don't believe that they offer and those have
1:27:35
been tested for DNA or anything like that.
1:27:38
No fingerprints aren't attainable from an object so
1:27:43
small like that. And DNA is not generous
1:27:47
submitted full of shell casing except in homicides, so over.
1:27:50
There's no connection between those soft Shell stations from
1:27:55
TV, Correct that I've been tested on her and for that was
1:28:01
11 now just right? Yes.
1:28:07
We're Three workout bashed in the webinar.
1:28:13
Associated with Mr. Paydar. as far as like directly associate
1:28:18
like that, we're taking off of his person, or from his
1:28:20
residents to know, and we're talking about, The isn't that
1:28:29
happen? You saw that Chief stop correct.
1:28:33
From the next. Yes.
1:28:35
And there was no fire shots. No shots that you heard that
1:28:39
were fired at that breath, right?
1:28:40
And then the Personnel Dragon. She got talking car, right,
1:28:44
right, no shots here. When he standing out.
1:28:48
No. And then just always seconds
1:28:51
afterwards after that then you were the shots, right?
1:28:56
so, He said out together, she was driving.
1:29:02
Him while that he was driving in the other nest camera.
1:29:06
There's two individual support, right?
1:29:07
Those weren't Nest cameras that are the security cameras for the
1:29:13
whole Master of the different range.
1:29:14
Nest is the private of camera for security camera for that
1:29:20
736. That's the renters camera.
1:29:23
The other cameras that were certain.
1:29:24
Those are the actual apartment complex cameras that are owned
1:29:28
and operated by the newborns. Okay, that's good.
1:29:32
So you do not have access to Nest but you can have access to.
1:29:35
Yes. Okay so the new gives you access
1:29:39
to cameras. They correct.
1:29:41
The The Nest one was provided by the victim of that mdop their
1:29:46
back window was shot up that will work detective Michaels
1:29:49
investigation? Yeah that was an individual that
1:29:51
I live in their correct. Have you provided that name of
1:29:54
that employee? I believe it's in the Believer
1:30:01
in my report. If not, it's in detective
1:30:03
Michaels as the victim So we have the moving Apartments
1:30:07
cameras. That's where we are.
1:30:09
Right? Yes.
1:30:10
And those who were lost over that speed bump, right?
1:30:16
Yes. She stops.
1:30:23
Yes, you stop. The person in Traverse City
1:30:27
Boulders out. Correct.
1:30:29
Then your shots fired. Yes.
1:30:33
I just want to be clear. There are two videos that have
1:30:35
been together all the time. Right?
1:30:38
Correct. Yeah.
1:30:38
Even though there are separate videos from different sources,
1:30:43
I've trusted a good job of that. Wouldn't meet pulling the
1:30:47
cameras too of trying to piece them together into one seamless
1:30:50
time on. So if you were to watch like
1:30:51
that, the older camera of the Suburban stopping the two
1:30:55
individuals, getting out, that plays the least directly into
1:30:58
the shooting video of them walking and then you can even
1:31:03
see like the Jeep from the northeast corner.
1:31:07
Drive and pull from around, go through the cut, through to
1:31:10
Kettering. And then if you piece that with
1:31:12
the nest video, you would then see here comes the Jeep from The
1:31:16
Nest video down Kettering, and then stopping.
1:31:18
So, where is Each individual video might not show the entire
1:31:23
thing if you piece it together. With all the restaurants you get
1:31:25
a more complete picture. Now I'm going to ask bottom
1:31:29
you're from Lucia spot, right? Yes, sir.
1:31:31
There's not a shots water there not.
1:31:34
There are no, we did not have them at the time so you couldn't
1:31:38
tell if it was one or two gone for a welcome.
1:31:41
They're all the same shows, right?
1:31:42
Um, so the lab report that was produced in was able to confirm
1:31:50
that nine out of the ten were definitely from the recovered a
1:31:54
tourist g3c. There was then one nine
1:32:00
millimeter that while it did have I don't recall off in the
1:32:05
correct verbage you're supposed to use for it but it basically
1:32:07
stated there were enough characteristics to Identify.
1:32:13
But they were inconclusive to be able to match it to that
1:32:16
specific firearm or any of the other shows. so, in other words,
1:32:25
it could, but again, I'm not the last person.
1:32:28
I wouldn't be able to actually answer that question for you,
1:32:30
but based on my reading of that At least, essentially, 90% of
1:32:37
the shell casings did come from one gun and were inconclusive on
1:32:42
the one-off game, you know, standing we have not right.
1:32:47
There before it could have. So we don't know if that's
1:32:51
actually associated with it or not without having a direct like
1:32:54
to be able to compare it to the fire on that was recovered or
1:32:57
another firearm that we would that maybe recovered and we're
1:33:00
able to associate directly to we have no idea.
1:33:03
No. so, you Have no, no, no, yeah, no, 100%.
1:33:13
I mean it was within the Few days of it.
1:33:17
We didn't have any other reports of shots fired in that area and
1:33:20
they were right on top of the grass and Broadway show and he
1:33:24
was before you even have the workshop fire.
1:33:26
But again he didn't have shots fired himself after him.
1:33:28
He was Correct that this incident was not reported as
1:33:32
shots fired. So another is it.
1:33:34
Good? Not reported.
1:33:35
That shots were fired. It's very possible.
1:33:43
So, I got all right. Or in regret.
1:33:50
Just breathing. Um, so detected you, how many
1:33:54
times did you say that? If you review the video on the
1:33:59
actual shooting, take place. Multiple doesn't need times.
1:34:03
Are you indicated that you can see multiple flashes perhaps?
1:34:07
Yes. Could you see muzzle flashes
1:34:09
from two individuals? Yes.
1:34:11
How certain you are that fairly certainly muzzle.
1:34:17
Flashes. Don't always get captured on
1:34:20
video as accurately as each time.
1:34:23
Like, there's no guarantee that a muzzle flash is going to be as
1:34:25
predominant of brake Flash coming from the end of the gun,
1:34:29
but you can see indications such as Gunsmoke.
1:34:34
Also, coming from the barrel of the gun.
1:34:41
In that, that was all so indicated.
1:34:43
By both. You can also in see from the
1:34:47
video of What we need to individuals running through the
1:34:52
backyard immediately after the shooting.
1:34:56
And appeared that individuals were sharing ammunition cracks.
1:35:00
That's what it appears to me. Um, the based on what appeared
1:35:05
to sound like and look like Fire on being unloaded. here, these
1:35:12
manipulating the weapon and magazine belief, 1.8 reaches
1:35:17
down, as if something was dropped, perhaps and then shared
1:35:20
it and changed hands with the other person and then both guns
1:35:25
are reloaded and they didn't continue running.
1:35:28
So yeah. I believe that he's testified.
1:35:35
That's based off your experience.
1:35:43
Yes, objection. All right, here that after the
1:35:49
individuals, were exchanging ammunition, they walked, and
1:35:54
he's working here to be gone right now, that's correct.
1:35:57
Yes. Um, going back to what you had
1:36:01
that interview with Mr. Dinar, did you show him any of the
1:36:05
CCTV? Still shocks me, he's still got.
1:36:09
And what is anything? That Mr. Dennard say when you
1:36:13
showed him, those still shots. Um I asked him to point himself
1:36:18
out of which a person he was in the still shot.
1:36:23
It was specifically from that camera that we watched of them
1:36:26
coming to the apartment door. Um, he stated it was pretty
1:36:31
obvious. Which one was since human
1:36:33
William have different physical characteristics?
1:36:36
I asked him if it would, he agree.
1:36:39
He's the one with the shorter hair and he did.
1:36:42
Thank you. Stop talking about.
1:36:47
Staying here. at the end of people called detective of being
1:36:56
Rogers, Good morning once again, friends TCF live.
1:37:06
It's Friday, I hope you're all enjoying yourself.
1:37:08
Obviously we've stumbled into a longer prelim exam here, but,
1:37:11
you know, we're invested at this point, so we're going to
1:37:13
continue with it and see where it ends up.
1:37:16
Again, this is Judge, Jeremy Darnell Bowie in Pontiac,
1:37:19
Michigan, and heads up for those of you on the podcast side.
1:37:24
Again, when we've had pauses in this hearing, it's been when
1:37:26
they've been watching videos, so just stick with it.
1:37:35
Sure, I do. Thank you.
1:37:43
Can you please stay in your planning to the record Nathaniel
1:37:48
Rogers, nit h a n. I e l r o g e r, s important.
1:37:53
I'm a detective with the Oakland County Sheriff's Office.
1:37:55
How long have you been playing though?
1:37:57
Shares office approximately 10 and a half years?
1:38:00
Were you working on September 30th?
1:38:02
20015. I was eating participate in a
1:38:06
search warrant of 263. West, Fairmont?
1:38:09
Yes, I did. That's correct.
1:38:14
What kind of dwelling is to see through West, Fairmont a single
1:38:18
story, single family. Who also participated in that
1:38:23
search. Warrant of that members, the old
1:38:25
County Sheriff's Office, SWAT, team detective, Hedrick
1:38:28
detective Vader. and, Based on the information I need to have
1:38:33
Linda. Now, William Harper.
1:38:39
Who was in 263 West Fairmont Avenue.
1:38:44
But when I entered into the home and had already been secured, so
1:38:47
it's just members the SWAT team. There were a couple of
1:38:49
individuals upstairs, but I did not identify them.
1:38:52
Did you go into the basement? Yeah.
1:38:55
And Did you find any documents that indicated?
1:39:00
Who who resided in basement? Yes, I found documents for
1:39:04
William Harper and abandoned the nightstand adjacent to the bat.
1:39:08
I'm sorry. Can you repeat that?
1:39:10
I found a secretary of state receipt.
1:39:12
It was a document for Mr. Harper was in a band in the nightstand,
1:39:16
adjacent to the bath I think. Now that invaded that the
1:39:20
basement was guided. I don't recall if I found
1:39:24
anything else with his name on it.
1:39:26
Did you find anything else? I did, what did you find?
1:39:30
On a tourist. G3c 9.
1:39:33
Mm handgun. What colors?
1:39:35
Black. And what did you do that?
1:39:39
Hang on was photographed. Secured the seized as part of
1:39:45
the search warrant for DNA and convey to the Oakland County
1:39:49
Sheriff's Office crime, lab for Tustin.
1:39:51
Yeah, and whatever that was reported Magazine had Browns in
1:39:59
that and had a load of Chamber Of Us.
1:40:05
Familiar with a lot in our am. How are you?
1:40:09
At numerous prior contacts with them in the city of Pontiac.
1:40:14
Correct. And where were some of these
1:40:17
interactions that you? Had most recent interaction.
1:40:21
I had with them prior to this investigation was in June of
1:40:24
2021. Do you see this?
1:40:33
In our politics or something you need to yes.
1:40:37
Seated. At the defense, table closest to
1:40:39
the judge where, in Orange Show uniform at the white undershirt,
1:40:45
So yeah. Okay.
1:40:47
Did you have an opportunity to review some of these September
1:40:53
18th 2025? Yeah.
1:40:55
How many videos are in photographs as you were.
1:40:58
I don't recall specifically how many but there were numerous
1:41:01
different angles, different videos and different still
1:41:04
images that were captured and shown to me, you recognize
1:41:07
anymore from the Was forever going to ask.
1:41:10
I did. I was able to recognize my
1:41:12
identify Mr. Dennard. Did you also participate in the
1:41:17
execution of a search warrant for Apple lean?
1:41:19
Yeah. As far as you know, resides that
1:41:23
for Apple Lane Mr. Dennard. And what if any Dawkins did you
1:41:26
find that show who residency posted in our as well?
1:41:30
I was okay like in the dwelling did Japan.
1:41:34
What about anything that you find and in?
1:41:37
The whole report there was a an empty gun case that was located
1:41:42
in the bedroom Heating. and, Would you have any reason to
1:41:51
believe that are or without me that or a pair of boots at
1:41:54
recovery? Know.
1:41:58
I had never actually. Thank you for gifting five,
1:42:08
memberships. Always always appreciate your
1:42:12
support. You mean a lot to me into the
1:42:13
channel. So thanks so much.
1:42:22
Attract. And when you arrive at Fairmont
1:42:24
that was a SWAT team, correct. And For you.
1:42:29
One of the first individuals to enter the basement, No on the
1:42:33
SWAT, team had the home security, and cleared prior to
1:42:35
my entry. So you did not observe Mr.
1:42:37
Harper and the basement next craft, And then with respect to
1:42:42
the discovery of the forest and done you located, this in a bin
1:42:48
under a nightstand, I believe the band was in the nightstand.
1:42:52
Like there was a an area for the bin to be placed in the
1:42:55
nightstand. Oh.
1:42:55
How big was this big describe it?
1:42:58
Well, it was an open top band. I'd have to refer to the photos
1:43:02
taken at the search. Warrant to describe exactly how
1:43:05
big it was just like a plastic tight end.
1:43:07
It was a storage type, man. It wasn't like a trash can.
1:43:11
It was it was smaller inside. I would say.
1:43:18
I don't call her about but you had to open it to look inside of
1:43:22
it. I don't believe that had a top
1:43:24
on it, okay? I had to manipulate it up to
1:43:28
search through it to discover the hang on.
1:43:29
That's a trash can. But then didn't have like Mr.
1:43:33
Harvesting on it. Not on the outside of it now.
1:43:38
And then on the inside, I found a secretary of state to state.
1:43:41
That's correct. Okay.
1:43:47
And then you swap the gun for DNA is right?
1:43:50
I believe, I believe I did. Yes.
1:43:52
And then You also. Separated the magazine in order
1:43:58
to process that from France that correct.
1:44:00
Yeah I had sent to the crime lab to see if they could let any
1:44:04
press on but You have not received any of those results
1:44:07
back. I do not know if I was there.
1:44:10
If they've been received, I'm not the officer in charge.
1:44:11
I wouldn't get a notification. We're.
1:44:18
Actually thank you for the ten dollars.
1:44:19
Super Chat, very much appreciate that and Grandma TCF.
1:44:22
Thank you for donating five memberships, everybody's missing
1:44:26
their target but I appreciate everybody's efforts and thank
1:44:30
you all for the support. I believe that's the last time I
1:44:36
had a interaction with him. Yes.
1:44:39
I was driving and undercover police vehicle in the city of
1:44:42
Pontiac on Kettering, the Newman, apartment complex, and,
1:44:45
as I drove by a group of individuals, I saw Mr. And the
1:44:49
sidewalk, I recognized him a new that he was wanted pursuant to
1:44:52
us, sixth Circuit Court, felony commitment warrant for what was
1:44:56
a finest I sat surveillance on that location.
1:44:59
Ultimately, he went to an apartment in merched, we
1:45:02
converged in a tons of two, take him into custody when he flood
1:45:06
inside an apartment. Ultimately he did surround
1:45:08
himself. We took him with a custody in
1:45:10
Washington County, Jail view. You might, I was part of an
1:45:14
apprehension. It wasn't a targeted team.
1:45:16
I just, I happen to see him while I was working and then we
1:45:18
made a plan over the radio and took him into custody.
1:45:21
There was for the arrest on the apprehension that for everyone,
1:45:25
right? I was not there for the actual
1:45:27
apprehension. I was just there for the fact.
1:45:30
You should talk about everything.
1:45:32
Good case, is it what tell me about this?
1:45:35
It's like, God be like a zipper gun case there was that was that
1:45:39
there's nothing in it. It's soft side as a zipper.
1:45:42
It's designed for a handgun to be transported or stored.
1:45:46
But he said, I have no idea. You were working his name.
1:45:53
I don't recall right? Yeah, I just actually I found
1:46:02
his driver's license there, but I don't believe his ah, his
1:46:05
address in the license for apple and Go to anything else.
1:46:11
Would you have like phone or anything?
1:46:14
It was intact. There is foam in it but I was
1:46:18
updated. It's just like he was correct.
1:46:22
It's like you bite off the shelf at Don's.
1:46:25
Could you identify or take any anything else?
1:46:29
Decide to go to Facebook there I didn't take anything else,
1:46:32
detective beta arrived on scene and completed that portion of
1:46:35
it. So basically we're just Gonna
1:46:39
have a minimize that we didn't have much going on there.
1:46:42
I just assisted in the search. And you found something really
1:46:45
don't value towards. It shooting and kills houses.
1:46:51
I didn't find any weapons or anything.
1:46:53
Nine millimeter. They're not.
1:46:59
All right. Thank you.
1:47:03
Hi yesterday, people call Tracey swan.
1:47:26
Again, good morning everybody. TCF live, it's Friday.
1:47:31
It's good to have all of you here.
1:47:32
Thank you again blanket. Thank you, everybody for their
1:47:35
generosity today. Really appreciate it.
1:47:37
We're gonna continue with this here and because we're invested
1:47:39
just judge Jeremy, Jeremy Darnell Bowie.
1:47:42
Obviously, we're in a prelim exam here for Some bad alleged
1:47:46
crimes. There are things going on in
1:47:49
other courts and will get to them when appropriate and it'll
1:47:53
be good. So let's keep going.
1:47:55
You're sure I did. Right maybe see This one, we
1:48:04
stayed installer. Tracy Swan.
1:48:07
T r a c y s w a n? This, why are you?
1:48:12
And I'm a girl agent with Michigan Department of
1:48:15
Corrections. How long have you been pulled
1:48:17
the agent in Michigan Department of years?
1:48:21
I am. How are you?
1:48:24
I was just curl patient when he was really impressive.
1:48:29
Why was released March? 25th about 2025.
1:48:40
As Mr. Harper School agency he came in first.
1:48:43
Yes, I did. How many times have you met her
1:48:46
husband? I don't know the exact number of
1:48:50
times but I believe it was around 5 or 6.
1:48:54
And where would you mean Mr? Harper.
1:48:57
Um, I met with him at his home, mostly and at the parole office
1:49:01
recall. We're home.
1:49:04
Yes, I'm heads of residence. I'm at 117 Warwick Street in
1:49:09
Pontiac Do you see Mr? Harvard Tech the, yes, I do.
1:49:15
And you please find the department of article or some
1:49:20
other identifying feature. He's sitting at the table there
1:49:24
luring and orange outfit. Okay, can you scrub of course,
1:49:31
stop. White sauce.
1:49:33
Thank you in late. September 2025 is how to draw a
1:49:43
theater contact. You, because he did, why he had
1:49:48
a video that he wanted me to do to see if I could identify the
1:49:51
subjects in the video. Did you have an opportunity?
1:49:53
I did video. Showed it showed two individuals
1:49:59
running through an apartment complex that I was familiar
1:50:04
with, they were shooting a firearm and running in and out
1:50:09
of apartment complex. I mean hiding behind bushes.
1:50:16
Reloading a firearm. And then, at one point, I
1:50:23
believe they got into a vehicle and left the scene, okay?
1:50:26
So it sounds like you made overview multiple videos.
1:50:29
I did I did. And in each of those videos that
1:50:32
detected Vader. Showed you.
1:50:33
Did you recognize anyone in those videos?
1:50:35
No, not initially. Not initially did.
1:50:39
Um, as Your thing on a new program at some point.
1:50:42
Did you really recognize an individual mode videos?
1:50:45
Yes because of the quality of the video.
1:50:48
What we did was we actually had still shots of those and made
1:50:51
them into photos and then I was able to clearly identify one of
1:50:55
the individuals as instructor, okay?
1:50:58
For us, when you say that he released, I believe it was three
1:51:02
or four and we're these. Photographs, from the different
1:51:06
CTV videos that you also observed.
1:51:10
Yes, and indeed, one of those photographs from just one of
1:51:13
those videos, did you recognize someone in those videos, because
1:51:18
ma'am, it's me now, you recognize stuff and meeting
1:51:21
their Mr. Parker. Washington.
1:51:26
For a person. We have Mr. No questions, you
1:51:30
are also on behind Mr. Mysore, no question sir.
1:51:33
I'm sorry, I'm Mr. Eddie they just Have one more witness and
1:51:41
that's detected Kyle church. I have to ask them.
1:51:45
He's going to take a short recess.
1:51:49
Baby. come back and 11:31. Thanks very much.
1:52:43
Okay, friends. It looks like we've gone mute.
1:52:48
So let's do this, I'll keep an eye.
1:52:50
We'll come back because again we're a little bit invested but
1:52:53
for now, Let's go to Jefferson County.
1:52:58
Say, good morning to judge Stevens.
1:53:01
I'm so Vivian. Wishing you able to work
1:53:04
something out. I spoke in mind this year into
1:53:07
prosecuted. I just need one use inner.
1:53:10
This was emotionally revoked probation out there, right?
1:53:13
Yes. Well we don't need it.
1:53:14
A great. really do we When we do that.
1:53:20
With my gave you some time. Next time, couple weeks a couple
1:53:24
weeks. That's all, that's all.
1:53:27
Right, let me ask you about firewood. we have one, you know
1:53:37
the last case we should There's a lot of the revoke
1:53:52
probation, you're on probation or aggravated robbery, and the
1:53:55
legislative, you committed an offense.
1:54:00
Over two years ago? Yeah, well, there was a good
1:54:04
reason I guess that one stalled because this was filed just in
1:54:09
August of the last year. But this States, this occurred
1:54:16
almost two years before that. What took so long?
1:54:21
Well, the office on December 16th, 2334.
1:54:29
I know the just didn't get father until August of 2 5.
1:54:38
22nd, we're just counting with the 1600.
1:54:47
Fighting fires everywhere. This one back to 26th.
1:54:55
No, yes, no probations. Yeah 2016.
1:54:58
But We wish, you know, we should be.
1:55:03
Here's what's gonna happen. You must reset this for two
1:55:06
weeks either. There's an agreement or we have
1:55:08
a hearing a decision. Okay.
1:55:10
Thank you. I'll see you guys.
1:55:17
Yeah. See, Rodney Cleveland.
1:55:27
Oh, there's a big sign. There's a big sign.
1:55:32
He came inside. Breath assigned, that's not
1:55:36
underground. They're getting a big breath.
1:55:40
He's no, where is he's in custody.
1:55:46
He is very different essence. You're on this one we are still
1:55:54
waiting on the new drug case. I'm not sure what's taking the
1:55:57
lab so long. Yes, we have checked on it
1:56:02
multiple times we already know this February 6th of a year ago.
1:56:05
Yes. My understanding that it's still
1:56:11
coming according to the people that have checked in with.
1:56:15
I just don't know why it's taking so long whereas the
1:56:18
problem. Because that's this is abnormal
1:56:20
and there he is. Sitting around language and he's
1:56:23
in the Twilight Zone, we gotta move forward.
1:56:25
We know that I mean this thing was filed in May and we still
1:56:30
don't have I believe we're waiting on the labs for the
1:56:35
drugs. I'm not even.
1:56:40
Then you find out for sure. It's kind of important because
1:56:42
if there's a delay I'd like to know from the lab, why?
1:56:45
Because this is, this is too long.
1:56:47
Okay, I can speak to the lab, I know that.
1:56:50
Yeah, but emotions to revoke, we're in the Twilight Zone.
1:56:55
Those are those are important, turnovers allowed to do so many
1:56:59
people. How long you've been in custody?
1:57:04
Yes. Judge it possible while we're
1:57:19
trying to wait to get the last back.
1:57:20
Is it possible to set up on for me?
1:57:22
I got to do that with with what's is alleged here?
1:57:27
I'm sorry. Now, I'm not going to do that.
1:57:29
Well, as a new, this is they, it's been over 90 days and have
1:57:33
a diet, and they're not really knows, he's not.
1:57:35
And then, on the latter part, this is in my memory concern, is
1:57:38
you see? This is what happens.
1:57:40
This is a deferred. You know, they're gonna ask and
1:57:43
the Court's got to consider whether he should be now
1:57:47
released. And we know it's what is
1:57:50
happening. He's, he's got a job waiting for
1:57:52
him. John judge, he's, he will be in
1:57:54
attendance. He's alleged to have been to be
1:57:58
using synthetic marijuana. That's straight from hell.
1:58:00
We all know that. Met them at me.
1:58:10
Failing to provide verification of completing anger management
1:58:14
that he was supposed to not doing community service.
1:58:20
And this is goes on. There is something I am curious
1:58:34
about allegations too, and three.
1:58:38
A ledge the exact same phones. How can that be?
1:58:41
What's what's It. You're honor.
1:58:50
I believe that. It's.
1:58:50
What? What's the diff distinction
1:58:52
between those two? They're both.
1:58:53
He's admitting He admitted to using illegal drugs.
1:59:00
Synthetic marijuana on to the police and then illegally
1:59:05
possessed, synthetic marijuana on February. 6th carved out to
1:59:09
allegations what's this? I believe it's because of the
1:59:13
use and The Possession you're on Earth.
1:59:22
In addition, 10 of this probation was do not use or
1:59:25
possess. And according to this, he used
1:59:28
to in Possessed. It's alleging.
1:59:30
It worked for word. Almost the same thing.
1:59:32
I was just curled trying to figure that out of those.
1:59:38
In both of those State, he possessed.
1:59:43
Synthetic. Used. and then possess on the
1:59:53
same day, And violation of the same condition of. here's here's
2:00:02
the issue is You have in. This.
2:00:13
Like we're waiting on the drugs. But also, there's a allegation,
2:00:18
he admitted to the police that to the police that he was using
2:00:21
illegally synthetic marijuana. Let's just go on that.
2:00:24
Well, judge and getting what I'm gonna have to object to going on
2:00:28
because that would be part of any Discovery.
2:00:29
And UK's state has not provided me, a sort of anything to engage
2:00:33
that. This was, there was an active
2:00:35
valid admission from this. This is simply someone pleading
2:00:38
that he said he admitted to it and I don't know that anyone in
2:00:42
this courtroom can verify our test out of the fact that he
2:00:44
said anything. Well can we that would be part
2:00:48
of the new case. We don't have a new case almost
2:00:51
said this for hearing on two weeks, okay.
2:00:55
And getting whatever Discovery we need and we can't get the
2:00:59
results, we'll go on what we can because this is language too
2:01:02
well. Can we have a bond in the
2:01:05
middle? No, judge.
2:01:05
No soon. Willie Howard.
2:01:15
All right, let's change it up again.
2:01:16
We're going to go to Florida Wade, Mercer, and his first
2:01:19
appearances, which just happened a short time ago so we will do
2:01:24
that. FYI as well that other court
2:01:30
hearing that we were watching in Pontiac.
2:01:33
They're still muted there some keeping an eye and we're going
2:01:36
to try to finish that even if it cuts into our normal forth, our
2:01:39
8:30 a.m. and Corporal. I want to have you had a chance
2:01:43
to play your first appearance video.
2:01:49
Can you hear me? Yes, sir.
2:01:52
Good morning sorry. I had a muted.
2:01:55
Yes. Great Legend gentlemen, the
2:01:58
jail. I'm waiting for the County judge
2:02:00
in Jackson County. We actually have four attorneys
2:02:04
involved in the first appearance process.
2:02:06
Today we have mature geometry, Daniel assistant, public
2:02:08
defender at the jail. He'll be representing several of
2:02:10
you. We have Mr. Mitchell, our
2:02:12
prosecutor in the courtroom, and we have two private attorneys.
2:02:16
Appearing remotely Mr. Jackson's on behalf of Mr. Olds, I believe
2:02:20
that It and then Mr. Miller has a plea.
2:02:26
Immediately after first appearance, and we'll get to Mr.
2:02:28
Miller, and just a few minutes, we first, we have State versus
2:02:30
Henry olds Mr. Olds. Good morning, sir.
2:02:33
You're here because you've been accused of one count of civics.
2:02:36
Molestation of a child under 16, years of age controls, I read
2:02:39
the complaint. There is probable, cause for the
2:02:41
charge, Mr. Olds, I'm sure that Mr. Action would like to be
2:02:44
heard on this. I'm gonna listen to Mr. Action,
2:02:47
and listen to the state, and then we'll address your bond
2:02:49
status, Mister Atkinson. Sorry.
2:02:53
Um you are investigator Corbin with the Jackson County
2:02:57
Sheriff's Department, came to me judge and I've had pretty good
2:03:08
constant contact with investigator Corbin he called me
2:03:12
yesterday and he indicated that they was a warrant and I
2:03:17
informed Mr. Owes of that and he turned himself in.
2:03:20
So he absolutely is not a Flight Risk, he needed this maybe
2:03:24
coming down the pike and you know, for at least probably two
2:03:28
weeks now judge he is a lifelong resident, Jackson County and he
2:03:35
does have a job. He has family in the area.
2:03:37
So judge based on that, I'm asking the court set him a
2:03:41
reasonable Bond so he can make bond and be released from jail.
2:03:48
Thank you Mr. Ashton Mr. Mitchell, anything from the
2:03:50
state. We will acknowledge that I got
2:03:53
in contact with Wes yesterday and he did inform you that he
2:03:57
did turn himself in. I guess the only condition we're
2:04:01
really asking is that given the seriousness of the charge of the
2:04:04
condition of no unsupervised contact with minors.
2:04:09
Mr. Olds, I think you're entitled to a bond.
2:04:12
The problem is according to what I saw when I was requested, you
2:04:18
already are registered. Sex, offender, prior to this
2:04:21
allegation, this is something that happened, many, many years
2:04:23
ago, so that certainly doesn't help you, what does help, you is
2:04:26
what Mr, X and pointed out and that is that you turn yourself
2:04:31
in. So I do appreciate that.
2:04:32
That's gonna affect the bond. I said this morning, I had
2:04:34
written down a tentative on a 25,000 dollars that was before I
2:04:37
knew anything. About turning yourself in and
2:04:41
light of that that does indicate your not a Flight Risk, still
2:04:44
got the same criminal history, you still got the same
2:04:45
allegation against you and it's only an allegation, you have
2:04:48
anything. In this case at this point, your
2:04:51
boss gonna be said to 15,000 dollars cash or Surety with a
2:04:54
condition. No contact with the legend
2:04:56
victim, Mr. Holmes, and no contact with the legend of
2:04:58
victim and do to the nature of the charges, no unsupervised
2:05:01
contact with any minor. And the only people that can
2:05:03
supervise, that would be individuals who have authority
2:05:08
to care for the child that you're around their prices, and
2:05:12
they're aware of the charge. The current Just so that's the
2:05:16
only circumstance that you have in contact with the minors.
2:05:18
I don't want you getting accused of anything else.
2:05:19
Why this case is pending. We're going to give you a notice
2:05:22
for your next court date. That would be this one's still,
2:05:26
the third. Is that right?
2:05:29
February 3rd at 8:30. Now, if Mr, Jackson files, a
2:05:32
notice of appearance that court date may change, and not sure
2:05:35
how judge Garcia does that Mr. Jackson would know better than
2:05:37
me, but otherwise it's gonna be February 30th at 8:30, Mr. Olds,
2:05:41
I want to give you a chance to ask any questions, but what I
2:05:44
really want to see if you're attorney has anything else, he
2:05:46
wants to dress because I want you say anything that's gonna
2:05:48
hurt yourself, mister anything else today.
2:05:50
So, I kind of told me this old, the range of the bond and
2:05:56
actually we appreciate the bond that was set, but I have nothing
2:05:59
further at this point in time. Mr. Mitchell brother.
2:06:03
This time. Mr. Trolls.
2:06:05
Wish you the best. All right, judge Bowie in
2:06:10
Pontiac is back up and running so I'm gonna take us there.
2:06:12
We'll come back to Wade, Mercer later if we have time, but we're
2:06:15
invested in this hearing and I don't want to leave it paused
2:06:19
for too long, because judge Bowie.
2:06:21
Generally, deletes his stuff, and I'd hate to miss out on the
2:06:24
end of this. So let's go back to Pontiac
2:06:27
first picture, and it makes me Can you please spell your people
2:06:38
director pile? Mounts k y, l e m.
2:06:41
O u n t z. College, 201.
2:06:50
Yes. At some point.
2:06:52
Did you find that? Yes, it is Avis rental car
2:06:59
company was identified. As being the registered owner of
2:07:01
the victim vehicle. The Jeep Grand Cherokee, and you
2:07:06
spoke with a representative scratch, correct.
2:07:11
What information? Regarding the renter of that?
2:07:15
Did you get the full name of the renter Jamari Burns was he named
2:07:23
Harry? Yes, I did.
2:07:25
Get a registered address. Yes, I did 5. 9 8. 0 0 8. the
2:07:47
Palmer, it's on the land gastro apartment complex.
2:07:55
That is. What are you first?
2:07:58
It's a couple blocks. Yes.
2:08:00
What have any Because You observe about, I observe that it
2:08:03
had a parent damage to it. That appeared to be from
2:08:07
projectiles, such as bolts. Square Deal.
2:08:12
There was one in the front bumper about the center, there's
2:08:17
another one towards the lower, the windshield, and in the
2:08:22
center of the windshield. And there's two to the driver
2:08:30
And the execution service. Yes.
2:08:37
What kind of dwelling is one? One seven four way.
2:08:39
It's a single story, ranch style home.
2:08:42
Oh, it's so cute. William Murphy Jr.
2:08:48
Who is Paul Minister, Foxx? It was William Harper senior Two
2:08:54
of his adult daughters. I am and two minor.
2:08:58
I think it was a teenager than a younger child.
2:09:01
And did you won't leave any forming inside the home?
2:09:04
That was determined to be an evidentiary value.
2:09:07
Yes, what, where did you rotate a black girl Timberland boots
2:09:11
and why did those black Paris? From.
2:09:19
Screenshot images from the Newman apartment complex
2:09:22
incident from the shooting on the appeared.
2:09:25
That William Harper was wearing a pair of boots that were
2:09:30
consistent with black Timberlands.
2:09:38
Crossing behalf of Easter. And love.
2:09:45
Your primary role then. For this investigation was
2:09:49
supervising the search at the war, right address, right.
2:09:54
For that date. That was something I did.
2:09:56
Yes, you didn't observe the shooting a step number 18 to
2:10:02
I've seen some of the footage but nothing in the entirety or
2:10:05
like be able to announce analyze those on my role.
2:10:10
Um, so at 117 Warwick, this is not the address for the Taurus
2:10:16
handgun was found right? Correct.
2:10:19
And at this address the Firearms they found were locked.
2:10:24
Under William Harper seniors. That correct.
2:10:28
Correct. And that saved was opened by
2:10:31
William C. Senior.
2:10:33
With the keys of his key changes that front, that's correct and
2:10:39
When this Mr Harper, Junior was arrested.
2:10:42
He did not have his possession, a key to that City.
2:10:46
I don't know. I was with him.
2:10:48
He got arrested. And her knowledge now.
2:10:51
Okay, do you have any reason to believe that this is her from
2:10:56
Junior heading to that downside? I've known knowledge that Do you
2:11:03
have any evidence that was suggest that?
2:11:05
Well, you have Heartland Junior purchase.
2:11:08
Either of the Gump's found at the Warwick address.
2:11:11
No, you're not. And you collected DNA swabs from
2:11:16
there was a block and a Ruger that were found there.
2:11:19
Yes. Um, Digital Credit DNA from
2:11:23
those. Yes, it did.
2:11:26
And there was no, at this point, there's nothing connecting as
2:11:31
far as DNA. Or William Harvard Junior to
2:11:35
those problems. Is that correct?
2:11:37
I don't have that answer. It not is not as being the
2:11:41
officer in charge. I'm not aware of any lab tests
2:11:43
or results that we're done. And then with respect to the
2:11:47
booths, Were those tested for gunshot residue?
2:11:54
I don't have that answer. I don't. thank you know,
2:12:00
questions, they just are you Have to start a dream know
2:12:21
you're on, no, judge and motion environment over here as charged
2:12:28
as a concerned, both defendant Below in Harvard Mr. David art.
2:12:34
Really, this is about the alien. It's now here.
2:12:37
Okay. She's not.
2:12:39
Um, yes he should be. Okay, thank you.
2:12:42
Sorry, I'm really these days is about the AUM and then TV gun
2:12:46
offenses, really follow along. I think you can Discern from all
2:12:52
of the available videos that we saw that there were two
2:12:56
individuals that appear to be both alonte dinar and William
2:13:01
Harper. They are in the newborn
2:13:05
apartment complex. We can see from those video that
2:13:07
are that are used together that too individuals, they have an
2:13:13
interaction with Jamari Burns. They separate from each other.
2:13:18
The shooters in that case, get into the back of a suburban and
2:13:24
the front passenger seat, and they drive electric Jamari Burns
2:13:27
also gets an Egypt. He drives away.
2:13:29
We have on video, we can see to individuals that appear to be
2:13:34
both Auntie a logic dinar and William Harper then get out of
2:13:39
that vehicle. They walk North in the direction
2:13:42
of where that Gene is coming from us occupied burnt.
2:13:46
And then you can see from multiple angles that there were
2:13:50
approximately 10 shots fired from two separate guns.
2:13:54
We can see muzzle flashes from two separate guns and you can
2:13:58
see here about 10 shots being fired.
2:14:01
I think as it concerned in intent, at least, in this case,
2:14:05
you can easily discern that fire and 10 bullet shots did enough
2:14:10
for a solid intent to murder. We also heard from detective
2:14:14
mounts that he later had an opportunity to observe that you
2:14:19
could solve and saw multiple bullet wounds bullet holes to
2:14:23
that jeep, So then really the question is, are those Shooters
2:14:26
in fact? A latte, dinard, and William
2:14:29
Parker. And I would argue that in fact
2:14:32
that they aren't that there's music that there's multiple
2:14:34
pieces of evidence that demonstrated that goes into the
2:14:38
individuals that were in that shooting.
2:14:40
We have the testimony of detective, Nate Rogers that he
2:14:45
testified that he was that. He observed multiple videos to
2:14:49
see TV videos and he recognized He recognized Mr. Dennard,
2:14:55
having had previous interactions in the Newman.
2:14:58
Pork parks where he was when he was on active duty, we all so,
2:15:04
have the testimony from Mr. Harper's parole agent, this Swan
2:15:09
who testified that, she also had an opportunity to review all of
2:15:12
the seasons TV videos and she determined that it was in fact
2:15:16
to Mr. Harper, that was in those videos.
2:15:18
She herself said that she saw Mr. Harper, when she watched the
2:15:26
shooting take place as well as when they are running throughout
2:15:29
the Newman Court Apartments. We also have this testimony from
2:15:33
detective beta. Who going he throws a video of
2:15:37
together. He really put a timeline down as
2:15:40
from when the shooting occurred to really much that our that
2:15:43
proceeded that. And from those videos, we can
2:15:46
see that these two individuals were together the entire time
2:15:49
from their interaction with Mr. Burns all the way through the
2:15:54
shooting and then when they're running throughout the Newport
2:15:56
Apartments and then eventually they get back to that same
2:15:59
suburban and they drive away. Hi, there was also a firearm
2:16:04
that was collected from Mr. Harper's home.
2:16:08
And we can see from the direct comparison in this case that
2:16:13
there were 10 shell casings that were recovered.
2:16:18
And we know that at least eight of the nine shell casings were
2:16:23
recovered actually being matched, that, that corresponds
2:16:28
collected. So, we know that he, at least
2:16:31
was involved in the shooting, and then we also can identify
2:16:34
Mr. Dinard as one he also admitted that feed himself was
2:16:40
present with her over that day and then he knows Mr. That he
2:16:45
knows Mr. Harper and identified himself as being adjacent to
2:16:48
another individual who has been identified as a stroke So I
2:16:52
think your arms, if you look at all of this evidence,
2:16:54
understanding that we don't have a victim here today.
2:16:57
However, I don't need a victim for assault of intense murder.
2:17:01
We can clearly discern that there was an assault to to
2:17:05
murder Jamari Burns. Based on the number of God shots
2:17:09
that were fired and the manner in which those got shots were
2:17:11
fired as well as that initial interaction between them where
2:17:15
there was some sort of argument that took place.
2:17:17
And then after the A1, there are those accompanying firearm
2:17:22
related charges. So as a concerns, Mr. Harper.
2:17:25
There's that felony. Firearm third.
2:17:27
I did provide the court certified copy of conviction for
2:17:31
his prior conviction that in the predicate technology for those
2:17:34
belt. A, excuse me.
2:17:37
I'm sorry. That's for the thought of
2:17:38
obsession manner, but this is a felony fire.
2:17:42
I'm very investment, you know, that he had a firearm for the
2:17:45
felony possession. From September 18th that
2:17:48
concerns the shooting, but for the felony firearm that concerns
2:17:53
September 30th 2025 that is because the firearm was going to
2:17:58
be covered from Mr. Harper's bedroom, that was in that
2:18:02
basement at 2603, West Vermont and then as a concerns Mr.
2:18:07
Dinar. I did provide a certified copy
2:18:09
the conviction for the following possession of fire on.
2:18:12
He is also. There are also ctw charges.
2:18:16
They both were clearly in possession of a firearm and they
2:18:20
were putting them in their clothing in order to conceal
2:18:25
that based on a probable cause standard team here on our there
2:18:30
is enough evidence combined his case over us.
2:18:32
Thank you. Thank you.
2:18:36
Oh, you're on this stage of the prosecution, embarrassed, the
2:18:40
burden of showing probable cause that a felony was committed and
2:18:44
that the defendants committed that or assault with intense
2:18:49
murder specifically. The prosecution needs to prove
2:18:52
that there was an assault with the specific intent to murder
2:18:55
and I do not believe that that's been met here and even doing the
2:19:01
evidence in the most favorable late to the prosecution mirror
2:19:06
suspicion or speculation is not enough to establish the intent.
2:19:10
And it's not enough that You know, the defendants shooting 81
2:19:18
requires as I mentioned, a specific intent to murder, not
2:19:21
nearly the intent to solve or verify or recklessly and danger.
2:19:27
And it can't presume just because what guns were used at
2:19:32
this matter is whether a reasonable reasonably supported
2:19:36
and being from the evidence and here what the evidence we don't
2:19:41
have a complaining witness. So the evidence is showing that
2:19:44
there were shots fired at a vehicle and based on that and
2:19:49
the fact that the driver of the vehicle had exited and then the
2:19:53
shots went got the vehicle and not at the individual, that
2:19:56
would be more of a luster of fats that they were seeking.
2:19:59
Frightened me into school, and that to attempt to murder him.
2:20:04
So I would ask the court from this record that they said her.
2:20:08
That poor consider allows her and gone such as salt just
2:20:13
charge of firearm from a motor vehicle breathless and one use
2:20:17
of of firearm and I would ask that the court, find them there
2:20:23
was not probable cause but to be a wound and then the Lesser
2:20:27
about his response Person. Thank you, we have things.
2:20:34
Just They don't go to your house was statements.
2:20:44
Most importantly, do not have an individual to have a security
2:20:49
indicating that they weren't fear of their life that they
2:20:52
thought they were going to killed that.
2:20:54
They believed that the original assault.
2:20:57
Intention of them. You do not have what we have is
2:21:00
a situation where a gentleman stops achieved in the middle of
2:21:04
the road where people are one. Is out of the team.
2:21:08
And then you hear that? This is also became.
2:21:12
This is all the Western Gates, not an assault or either go.
2:21:16
There hasn't been placed on the record in his papers of the
2:21:20
actual intent to her. What is the place is guesswork
2:21:24
for the court to make up whether there isn't assault or whether
2:21:28
there's been touched? But this guest work is not
2:21:31
enough as probable cause page doesn't the mayor of the shots
2:21:35
fired? The The scope of the situation.
2:21:40
The individual that allegedly has been shot at is not you.
2:21:45
Not here to say to this court, or to any of us.
2:21:49
While transpired them the videos are what the videos are, but
2:21:53
they don't speak for this situation.
2:21:55
And what we have is this, again, she pulls up, Guy himself in
2:22:01
that shots fired. This is a post FAA AGP again as
2:22:07
the indication on it shots in the sheets.
2:22:13
There's nothing that close together, parkings, With, Daniel
2:22:20
on the conversations are free. There are three elements that
2:22:36
need Improvement in a defendant trying to physically finger.
2:22:38
Another person, that when the defendant committed to Salt, he
2:22:41
had the ability to cause an injury where at least believed
2:22:43
that he had the ability to serve the defendant intended to hold a
2:22:47
person. That nowhere within those
2:22:51
elements that it stayed that the people have to prove how the
2:22:54
victim felt in this case, but the physical thought that the
2:22:57
intentions were of the defendants in this case.
2:23:00
And I would also just argue that in anything, the fact that the
2:23:04
victim in this case, got out of the vehicle.
2:23:06
Further demonstrate, depends. All within text murder because
2:23:09
the shooters, the defendants of this case were out of the
2:23:12
vehicle and had a clearer shot who they were aiming at the
2:23:15
origin. Indiscriminate the shooting at a
2:23:17
car, they had, they had a physical person of physical body
2:23:20
outside of the vehicle when they were shooting.
2:23:22
Thank you. I just want to see the video of
2:23:25
the Jeep began. I was kind of hoping we have the
2:23:27
court back. That's your absolutely.
2:23:36
No, I was premature and no putting this election.
2:24:06
Some of the city Jeep video. All right.
2:24:33
Second. Yeah.
2:24:38
I haven't education to start. referring to the First video,
2:24:46
would that be? Yes, I believe is.
2:24:51
Is it Exhibit 2? Exhibit, one or two.
2:25:33
Because you write your business. Hours to subscribers on the
2:25:44
other side of that that is correct.
2:25:46
You see this look how stubborn this is the video of the silver
2:26:01
in your eye. so, You.
2:27:05
Okay, friends. Well judge reviews.
2:27:07
This video Barbara just put in the chat what?
2:27:10
All right. Hang tight. so, We'll start with
2:27:17
the gun. Sorry Mr. Harkins Junior.
2:27:22
I mean, unless it's slammed up right there.
2:27:25
I mean, they pop a gun at the Work addressed the work address.
2:27:37
Responding to basement information.
2:27:39
I've been with his name on it. He was a felon.
2:27:43
So even if he's walked on everything else, he still, is
2:27:47
that a politically? Personal possession of firearm,
2:27:50
that's probably fire. And third is a mandatory 10
2:27:53
years. So I think can be found on that.
2:27:57
It's not much harder than we need to be made.
2:27:59
I think the record is a clinically clear on that.
2:28:06
As the Karen concealed weapons as far as being September, 18th
2:28:12
day. notice from both arguments from the defense, they are
2:28:20
Basically saying the fitness happens on the defendant
2:28:23
inspired a shot. but they never said any of them that in
2:28:28
reviewing the evidence that Mr. Burns.
2:28:30
Fired shot. First at them. and so there's no
2:28:34
self-defense playing there, so As far as the attempted murder.
2:28:43
It is true, you don't need to complain with them to murder
2:28:46
case. That is the instructions will
2:28:49
give jurors that jury trial. So no one needs to come in and
2:28:53
say someone tried to kill me. Circumstantial evidence, which
2:28:58
all of this is is enough to convey as if it was direct
2:29:01
evidence or it can convict with circumstantial combined with
2:29:04
DirecTV. So this is clear circumstantial
2:29:08
evidence case throughout Mr moment, but I think the video is
2:29:12
a pretty clear. And then too.
2:29:15
You have. A swan.
2:29:19
Who has nothing to do with this. outside of identification of Mr.
2:29:25
Harper Jr. That is his parole agent.
2:29:31
And detective video and some photos.
2:29:34
Two ages want to say, is this your probationer?
2:29:36
I mean your Pearlie. I'm sorry.
2:29:38
She's like yeah, that's no. You know, so she confirmed that
2:29:42
he was there, you saw both individuals and the back of New
2:29:46
England. So you have the back of noon and
2:29:48
in between Newmans there's like this huge drop off or the
2:29:51
railroad tracks are, so behind Newman.
2:29:54
You can see two people. You can clearly hear two people,
2:29:56
racking guns. They're both wearing white
2:29:58
t-shirts and then they're moving about the back of that.
2:30:04
Newman Court from north to south, and they move eventually
2:30:08
south side of the camera. So I believe they were both
2:30:11
weapons. There.
2:30:12
You can see them up and out of the white Chevy Suburban fired.
2:30:17
Shots are fired for the direction of the Jeep.
2:30:26
Also. Yeah, they got prohibited
2:30:27
person, Mr. Harper's, a fellowship not having a weapon.
2:30:31
So, both of the prohibited persons will be Donald with the
2:30:37
fight song. Fire on third Samuel, Mr. Dinar,
2:30:40
he was not allowed to have weapons and falling so that a
2:30:45
karaoke over along with the phone, firearm secular 35, The
2:30:51
Karen conceals will go. They both were considering
2:30:53
weapons inside of the white Chevy Suburban. and also, I
2:30:58
mean, 10 shots to the driver's side of the vehicle, I believe
2:31:01
she said it was the front bumper.
2:31:02
There was a shot to the windshield and there's two shots
2:31:05
of the doors. I mean I don't know what's more
2:31:07
clear. You're trying to kill somebody,
2:31:09
you're not shooting to womb, you're shooting the kill and so
2:31:14
I just think there's enough evidence to send it over to.
2:31:19
Judge and jury to determine whether they're guilty or not.
2:31:21
But I believe the prosecution that burn at the problem called
2:31:25
standard Ash charge. Here to 50 of district court.
2:31:28
And so it will be sent over the sixth Circuit Court ashtar from
2:31:31
both individuals. Yeah I mean shots at the
2:31:38
windshield shots at home. Even think Mr. Burns moved by.
2:31:42
I think he's just got out the car.
2:31:43
The next thing you know a shot started ringing out so, Her
2:31:48
start. Thank you, seven to 10 days from
2:31:54
today. We'll continue the boss.
2:31:56
We're awesome. Thank you.
2:31:59
Okay, friends. Personally I was not surprised
2:32:02
by that outcome but you can let me know your thoughts in the
2:32:04
chat. So Barbara put in the chat
2:32:06
speaking of, and I tried to comment on this before judge got
2:32:10
to talk. And again she asked Dan are you
2:32:13
doing the fourth hour today or are you going to continue with
2:32:15
court? Well, friends.
2:32:17
I'm going to leave that up to you.
2:32:18
There goes a pole live right now.
2:32:21
You tell me what you want to do with the fourth hour because
2:32:23
again, this hearing I think it was worthwhile and interesting,
2:32:26
but it did chew up most of the day so far.
2:32:29
So your three options are. We can just do more Court in the
2:32:32
fourth hour, because we normally flip around more, and we
2:32:34
normally see more more Court than what we've been able to see
2:32:38
today. Or I can do the normal 4th hour
2:32:40
where I talk at, and somebody may be calls in, and we talked
2:32:43
and some news and things like that, or we can do a bit of
2:32:47
both. So, let me know what you want to
2:32:48
do with the fourth hour in the meantime, let's go back to Wade,
2:32:51
Mercer, where we left off with him.
2:32:52
I'm gonna point the problem. There's always represent you for
2:32:55
first appearance purposes and asked if you listen to Mr.
2:32:57
McDaniel your attorney today So he's from Texas, but he does ten
2:33:05
college at Prairie. View there in Texas.
2:33:07
He also works at Nasa engineer student and you know, come back
2:33:16
and You know, in our next court, date more and see what we go
2:33:20
from there. Yeah, I've never given a
2:33:23
conditionally to someone that reside at that far away, and I
2:33:25
don't think I'm gonna start today.
2:33:26
But Mr. Mitchell, what's the state's position?
2:33:29
We'll leave it up to the court to make that final decision on
2:33:32
that. But the only thing we really
2:33:34
request is that he had the condition of no possession or
2:33:37
consumption of alcohol. Not your boss. 2500 dollars cash
2:33:41
or sure. That's a standard bond for DUI.
2:33:43
I just don't think a conditionally is appropriate for
2:33:46
someone that lives at least 12 hours away from here.
2:33:48
You have no local ties, cash or Surety means you can go through
2:33:51
a bondsman you will get a chance to use the phone and just a few
2:33:54
minutes, Scott to try to post the bond, Mr. Scott.
2:33:56
And you got a conditional, alcohol, any questions.
2:34:11
It just, I guess I don't change anything but it's Court know
2:34:15
that Mr. Scott, you know, he resides from the Texas school
2:34:19
with it. Currently he is residing in
2:34:22
Florida because you know, I guess in home right away.
2:34:26
I guess there were nasty as she's doing internship there
2:34:29
working for him. So I mean, he is You know, in
2:34:34
the State of Florida, I'm gonna say locally, but he is in the
2:34:36
same order, but I don't know if that changed anything, you've
2:34:39
got the bond, I've said that's a reasonable bond for the charger
2:34:41
accused of and concerning the evidence against you in the
2:34:43
breathalyzer that your legally boo, you'll get a chance you'd
2:34:46
fall in a few minutes. Started try to post the bond Mr.
2:34:48
Scott, the jail is also gonna give you a notice for your court
2:34:50
date, and that would be February the second March 2nd.
2:34:56
March 2nd at 9, a.m. need to be his notice date and time, please
2:34:59
corporal. Scott, wish you the best.
2:35:13
John Rivas. Good morning, Nova.
2:35:27
Driver's license. And one count of Operating a
2:35:31
motorcycle with a motorcycle. Endorsement and Mr. Rivas.
2:35:33
It. Appears your own probation out
2:35:34
of Holmes County. I'm going to point the Pope's
2:35:37
office to represent you and ask that, you listen to Mr. McDaniel
2:35:39
your attorneys in County Jail. We have one day job credit.
2:35:47
If you work at all points and Trust eBay, he has honestly
2:35:52
waivers right to jury. Mr. Thank you, Mr. Mitchell's at
2:35:58
a gravel with the state, it is your honor and what's that?
2:36:01
Holmes County case. 2 cases. 22-5 to 423 Dash 101.
2:36:09
And I'm not sure where it's being supervised out of because
2:36:12
it's got a Marion address, so he may have a Mariana supervisor
2:36:15
but it's a Holmes County case, okay?
2:36:18
Mr. Rivas, could you hear that? Plea?
2:36:20
Agreement sir. Yes, sir.
2:36:21
And is that the play that you would like to enter Mr. Davis.
2:36:25
Yes. Richard something like shelter,
2:36:27
plea of no contest to the charges of no driver's license
2:36:30
driving with no driver's license.
2:36:31
That is And the motorcycle endorsement, I'm going to
2:36:35
education. 68 days in jail. Give you credit for the one day,
2:36:39
that you've served 60-day sentences are concurrent in each
2:36:42
case and running at the same time, standard court costs and
2:36:45
finds a posting count, one of 400 dollars Wade.
2:36:48
The court costs to find some count to make qualify for the
2:36:52
trustee program. I would encourage you to look
2:36:54
into that. And Mr. Rivas last picture
2:36:58
Mitchell, notified Holmes County and make them aware of this
2:37:00
arrest. If they place a hold on, you, we
2:37:02
got to deal with that before you release.
2:37:04
If they don't place a hold on you and you finish the sentence,
2:37:07
you're going to be released Mr. McDaniel, are you asking for the
2:37:09
normal language, you request about the police not being used
2:37:12
against him. Yes, Ron, Mr, Rivas.
2:37:15
I'm put it on this plea form as part of this plea agreement,
2:37:17
it's kind of a standard language.
2:37:18
We use what you're doing today. This plea agreement cannot be
2:37:21
used against you in your vop. If the state wants to do that, I
2:37:24
would allow you to withdraw your plea today and start from
2:37:27
scratch. They still may use the incident
2:37:30
by calling the officer or others to try to prove this.
2:37:33
If there's a disputed GOP but they can't use the plea.
2:37:37
I don't want you to sit there for weeks and weeks.
2:37:41
Because they're going to use the play against you.
2:37:42
So that's how we avoid that happening.
2:37:44
Mr. Davis, I wish you the best, any questions sir?
2:37:49
Have you? Have Austin Thomas next.
2:38:03
Shoulder Thomas. Good morning, Mr. Thomas, you're
2:38:04
here because you've been accused again for domestic battery by
2:38:08
strangulation. And this time you have a new
2:38:10
charge of false imprisonment Mission Thomas, there is
2:38:12
probably for both these charges. I haven't looked at your
2:38:15
criminal history, somewhere of the same charge of domestic
2:38:18
battery by strangulation, although it was a different
2:38:20
Legends victim. But the last year too.
2:38:22
I'm also where that case was this missed at the victim's
2:38:26
request. So I'm aware of all that I think
2:38:28
you're entitled to bond as far as I can tell.
2:38:29
Let's see what additional information the attorneys have.
2:38:32
If any Mr. McDaniel anything. Mr. Mitchell.
2:38:36
Nothing. At this time.
2:38:37
Mr. Thomas, I'm gonna set your bond at 7500 each on these two
2:38:41
felonies sir. Your Total Bond today, is 15,000
2:38:44
dollars. You have a condition of
2:38:45
absolutely, no contact with alleged victim at all.
2:38:48
You have the right to use the phone to contact friends or
2:38:51
family for purposes of trying to post a bond.
2:38:53
But you cannot contact the victim or sending a message to
2:38:56
her through a third person, and Mr. Thomas, you want to get a
2:39:00
notice for your court date and that should be February the
2:39:03
Third. At 8:30, Mr. Thomas, do you have
2:39:08
any questions? Have a good day.
2:39:13
Charles facing. Good morning, you're here
2:39:24
because you've been accused of one kind of battery second, our
2:39:28
subsequent offense Mr. Face in there is probable, cause in the
2:39:31
complaint The criminal history is concerning because of the
2:39:35
Department of Corrections website shows that she been a
2:39:37
prison for times. Is that accurate Mr. Facing Yes,
2:39:41
sir. So I think you're still entitled
2:39:43
to Avon, it's just that's going to prevent me from considering
2:39:46
any other tops of option, other than a bond.
2:39:47
So, let me see what the attorneys have.
2:39:49
And then I'll set that Bond Mr. McDaniel.
2:39:52
You. All right.
2:39:53
Don't think we have a whole lot but I mean the history is what
2:39:56
it is. But Jake did if y'all receive
2:39:58
word from the victim in this case, I guess here.
2:40:01
And not yet. We haven't heard anything from
2:40:03
her yet and okay. All right so she's good as for
2:40:08
So Mr. Facing your bonds. Gonna be 10,000 dollars cash for
2:40:11
sure. You also have a condition, no
2:40:13
contact with Edge victim, and that means no contact at all.
2:40:15
Your entitled to use the phone, CERN a few minutes to try to
2:40:18
post the bond. You also will get a notice for
2:40:20
your court date, Mr. Face. And that should be February the
2:40:22
third in circuit court at 8:30, Mr. Facing, do you have any
2:40:26
questions? You the best sir.
2:40:31
After Mr. Facing we have George Konikoff.
2:40:37
Mr. Mitchell is there a you want time to look into this one?
2:40:41
Just bond for today, and we'll get more into.
2:40:43
It doesn't know that no Mr. McDaniel, Mr. Mitchell's one in
2:40:48
time to look into Mr, Khan criminal history.
2:40:51
The other problem is that the golfer doesn't tell the value of
2:40:57
the, of the everything in the wallet.
2:40:58
He tells the value of the defendant, Elijah tells the
2:41:01
value of some cash that was supposedly taken.
2:41:04
According to the complaint but there's nothing about the value
2:41:06
of anything else. So restitution is absolutely
2:41:08
unknown because the complaints just not very thorough but I
2:41:12
think Mr. Face and Mr. Konikoff, as far as I can tell, he's
2:41:15
entitled to a bond but the state's not wanting to make any
2:41:19
kind of offer today. Is that right?
2:41:20
Not today, we'll review it a little bit more before as a
2:41:23
Raymond, they and we'll go from there.
2:41:26
So, Mr. McDaniel for Bond purposes.
2:41:29
Anything from the, from the defense, sir, I mean, I don't
2:41:33
know if the Jake Luke, the state looked at me, he's a homeless
2:41:36
man, that you know, I mean, it's a little confusing.
2:41:41
It's a little confusing because it says he's homeless, but then
2:41:44
it says he works there. So it says transient and he
2:41:46
works. I mean, he's a homeless guy and,
2:41:54
you know, he's taking someone's wallet that the guy left on.
2:41:58
The, I understand, I understand completely reserved, on
2:42:01
restitution, find out how much is over.
2:42:02
I don't know if he'll strange about this case, but well, the,
2:42:06
the difference is whether it's the second first degree mystery,
2:42:09
the officer, when the second degree misdemeanor, but the
2:42:11
criminal history, clearly shows a part of them.
2:42:13
So it could be a first degree. Mr. I don't know if it was aware
2:42:18
of that and chose to follow us a second or socials intentionally.
2:42:22
Just if he didn't look at it, didn't look at the criminal
2:42:25
history, but Mr. Mitchell wants to additional time.
2:42:27
I think he's in title of that. I think you're you're Bond as
2:42:31
far as I can tell. I I don't disagree with any of
2:42:35
that genre of me. I you know what?
2:42:37
Yes. Okay.
2:42:41
Anything from State Vaughn purpose, wise Bond, was nothing
2:42:44
as a pretends on Mr. Khan almost, at your bond at 5,000
2:42:48
dollars cash or Surety based on your criminal history.
2:42:50
We'll see you at your next court date.
2:42:52
If not before Mr. McDaniel stays on top of his case is very well,
2:42:56
so I may see you before, then, your regular court date will be
2:43:00
February the second at March 2nd, March 2nd.
2:43:03
That's kind of strange showing felony have different cutoffs
2:43:07
Cut off was yesterday for Mr. Meters, and cut off for films.
2:43:13
For the cut off one day apart. Yeah.
2:43:15
Not one day makes a big difference.
2:43:18
Just like the one day. So for the Raymond spoke days.
2:43:22
so, the The they'll give you a notice for March, the third, but
2:43:28
a very well might see you before the end.
2:43:29
I'm asking Mr. Mitchell notified, your attorney just as
2:43:32
soon as he had a chance to make a charging decision, Mr. Coffee,
2:43:36
you have any questions No, sir. Wish you the best sir, there's a
2:43:41
condition. No contact religious.
2:43:44
And we have Mr. Old, you've already seen Caleb.
2:43:47
Sherman is next. Mr. Miller, we only have I think
2:43:54
it's maybe the last case before yours Mr. Sherman.
2:43:58
Good morning, Mr. Sherman. You're here because you've been
2:43:59
accused of one, kind of possession of methamphetamine
2:44:02
one, kind of possession, drug paraphernalia a possession with
2:44:05
intent to distribute methamphetamine and a driving
2:44:09
while license suspended over vote knowingly.
2:44:11
Those are the four charges are accused of.
2:44:13
So I have read the complaint. This morning there is probable
2:44:15
cause of also looked at your criminal history, which is not
2:44:18
bad. There's a violation of a PTI but
2:44:21
it doesn't show me the disposition.
2:44:23
When you back, went back to court on that charge.
2:44:25
But that's only thing that's on here.
2:44:27
So, I think you're entitled to a bond.
2:44:29
Let me see if I'm missing anything.
2:44:31
Mr. McDaniel. Anything on behalf of Mr.
2:44:33
Sherman. We just request.
2:44:39
He'd be so Jacob to random UA's. Mr. Sherman, you're not on bond
2:44:43
now, correct? I mean, I don't probation.
2:44:45
Now, are you? Those are Mr. Sherman, I'm going
2:44:50
to set your bond, the most serious charges that possession
2:44:52
with 102 distribute that volunteer me 10,000 dollars, the
2:44:56
methamphetamine is the same methamphetamine.
2:44:58
Now I research that this morning and the case law says that you
2:45:02
can charge both. I don't know the state normally
2:45:04
does but you could. So that's going to be a much
2:45:07
lower Bond because it's the same substance, the exact same
2:45:10
methamphetamine you charged with possession with the tend to
2:45:13
distribute it and you're charged with possession of it at one
2:45:16
time, you couldn't do that. But the most recent case, I
2:45:19
found says that you can out of Florida.
2:45:20
So your bond on that possession of methamphetamine is going to
2:45:23
be 1,000 because you've got the bond for the same subs and drug
2:45:27
paraphernalia and the drywall license suspended.
2:45:29
It'll be 2500 dollars each When you add those together and I
2:45:32
didn't write down, what I said on the 16th, 16,000 dollars cash
2:45:36
or Surety Mr. Sherman. You do have a condition of
2:45:39
random of your analysis serve because it's a drug offense.
2:45:41
It's accused of. And you will have the right to
2:45:44
use the phone in a few minutes to try to post the bond.
2:45:45
They will give you your notice at the jail for your court date,
2:45:48
which should be marched. The third she's been February
2:45:51
the third at 8:30, Mr. Sherman, you have any questions, Oh, wish
2:45:57
you the best. I believe that gives we've got
2:46:00
Mr. Miller has been waiting Mr. McDaniel will come back.
2:46:03
There's other couple cases in just a second Mr. Miller's.
2:46:06
Clients in the courtroom here and his name is Miller is Jake,
2:46:10
Hodges your owner. Mr. Hodges.
2:46:12
Come on up, please. This is State of Florida versus
2:46:14
Jacob Hodges Mr. Hodges Mr. Miller has been very proactive
2:46:19
and trying to get your case resolved.
2:46:21
So he's got it set for a plea hearing today.
2:46:23
You're here in case number 25-4 83 CT.
2:46:28
I might ask Mr. Miller to put the charges specific charger
2:46:31
charges on the record and listen to your attorney, please your
2:46:35
honor Mr. Hodges is charged with one kind of DUI.
2:46:38
His offer is 11 months, 29 days probation with a dollar and
2:46:43
seventy eight court costs and fines that have to complete the
2:46:46
DUI school. He'll have 50 hours community
2:46:48
service work, they'll have the minimum driver's license
2:46:51
suspension and he must enroll in complete and inpatient drug
2:46:54
treatment program and that inpatient portion needs to be 90
2:46:58
days. So Mr. Mitchell, here's my
2:47:03
question my understanding just from the emails.
2:47:07
I'm bringing back and forth is if he's successfully complete.
2:47:10
The inpatient portion Ronnie days.
2:47:12
He'll be eligible for immediate termination of probation as soon
2:47:16
as that correct. Wait.
2:47:23
So, okay. So look.
2:47:26
So I don't know if you can hear, I will make sure we can hear you
2:47:28
Mr. Good so Mr. Goodman wants to make sure we're all on the same
2:47:30
page. Mr. Miller so my so that's a
2:47:34
great Point. Says, Corporal Campbell.
2:47:36
Can you mute the mic out there? I'm sorry.
2:47:38
I'm getting a lot of feedback and I can't hear Mr. It's no
2:47:41
problem. It's okay.
2:47:42
So Mr. Mr. Goodson wants to make sure that what the conditions
2:47:47
are. You've got a complete before you
2:47:48
get probation before you get off probation, you clearly got to do
2:47:51
the 90-day inpatient drug treatment, you clearly got to
2:47:53
get the court costs and fines resolved.
2:47:55
Okay. You also by state law have a
2:47:58
condition that you do 50 hours of community service work.
2:48:00
I'm going to give you credit for that for being in the program.
2:48:03
As long as you complete the program.
2:48:05
Yes, sir. So you want to do the community
2:48:06
service? But what you will have to do is
2:48:09
get enroll in DUI school, complete.
2:48:12
Do you ask School? Get out probation early.
2:48:15
Yes, sir. Is that I know that that may
2:48:17
not? We may not talk through all of
2:48:18
that in these in these texts. And not sure if you were aware
2:48:21
of all of that is that right? Bring any questions to your mind
2:48:23
or any hesitation and entering this place?
2:48:25
No sir. Mr. Miller or any concerns that
2:48:28
you have up about those clarification or clarifications
2:48:30
at all. No, you're on.
2:48:32
So I have no problem getting off early.
2:48:34
I have, no, because you're doing the United States Army getting
2:48:37
off on day, 91. As long as you have got other
2:48:40
things done, and the problem is, you can't do the DUI school
2:48:42
until you get out of the program.
2:48:44
So, you're going to get out of the program.
2:48:46
And take care of the court costs and finds as quick as you can.
2:48:48
The DUI school, taking care of and then you'll be able to get
2:48:51
off probation immediately. When those things happen, can
2:48:54
the find the fine money can can that come out of the cash Bond.
2:48:58
If there's a cash Bond, we have to take it out.
2:49:00
So how much is the cash bond that was posted 12,000.
2:49:02
Okay. So what happens is, the core
2:49:04
cost and finds will be taken out of the cash Bond and the balance
2:49:07
will be returned to whoever posted the cash ball and
2:49:10
whoever's name is on it Mr. Gibson, so we did this last
2:49:14
time, I don't know Mr. Hodges wanted to do that, so
2:49:19
hypothetically, if he stays on 90 days, which I think will be
2:49:21
longer, he wants to go and take Three months of probation fee
2:49:27
out. I don't want him paying
2:49:28
supervision. He wanted in the program.
2:49:29
Okay. I'm not doing anything.
2:49:31
He's in the program. Well, you know everything.
2:49:34
I mean, the probation isn't actually doing an active
2:49:36
supervision because you're in the program.
2:49:37
Now, once you get out of the program, your supervision fee
2:49:42
will start your monthly supervision fee.
2:49:44
So what you want to try to do is aim to get everything taken care
2:49:46
of? When you get out of the program
2:49:48
so you've got everything done. So your own probation as little
2:49:51
a time, as possible after you complete the program.
2:49:53
Yes, sir. The program I was going to is in
2:49:57
North Georgia. Okay, that's fine and I'm going
2:49:59
Monday, okay, we're going to talk about that in just a
2:50:02
second. I'm sure the attorneys had
2:50:04
discussed that and I don't know that I've seen that in the email
2:50:06
Mr. Miller. What's the, what's the, what's
2:50:08
the plan on getting him up there?
2:50:09
I think your email may have said bars to bed at some point but I
2:50:12
could be wrong about that you're under.
2:50:14
That is the bars to bed. Issue was regarding, the
2:50:17
inpatient drug treatment to the Aftercare.
2:50:19
So they call it door to door. So one season with the first 45
2:50:23
days of inpatient treatment, he will be door to door transferred
2:50:27
to the Aftercare facility, that's all so impatient which is
2:50:31
somewhere for the Greenwich. The green that y'all have
2:50:34
reached. Between your shelf and the state
2:50:36
and your client is he would actually go home today and he's
2:50:40
going to sell report to this program.
2:50:43
Monday, yes Mr. Miller's not accurate, your honor.
2:50:46
I don't know. That me and Mr. ASA Mitchell
2:50:49
have discussed this specifically, I think, at the
2:50:51
last court date, what he was the position of his only is the
2:50:55
naughty days got completed during probation, he was
2:50:58
comfortable with that and my correcting that asymmetrical.
2:51:02
That that is correct. I think just the issue is just
2:51:06
him getting there. I don't have a problem with
2:51:08
that. I just want to make sure we're
2:51:09
all on the same page. Yes, what time will you be
2:51:12
reporting Monday? We'll never report time.
2:51:15
My well, they're 24, she said that they're 24/7.
2:51:20
I mean I can come I need a Time. Oh because we're going to check
2:51:24
and make sure you're there. Yes, sir.
2:51:26
Because that's going to be a condition that when you meet
2:51:28
with the probation officer, today he's going to say, when
2:51:29
are you going what time you going to be there?
2:51:31
Because they're gonna make sure you're there because if you
2:51:32
don't go to the program, that's gonna violate your probation.
2:51:34
Yes, sir. I'm going.
2:51:35
What time do you have to be there Monday?
2:51:38
Or where is that in? Georgia, it's in Monroe.
2:51:40
I don't know where Monroe's at North Georgia.
2:51:42
It's brought outside of Atlanta. Okay, says top six hours away.
2:51:47
So, and you going up Monday morning, or you going Sunday and
2:51:50
then be there Monday morning. I'll be the we were planning to
2:51:55
go Monday. We're going to leave early in
2:51:56
the morning and he's gonna take me.
2:51:58
Thank you. Yes sir.
2:52:01
Okay um you want to say three o'clock Monday 3:00 our time.
2:52:08
About okay so we say 3:00 that gives you time to get up there,
2:52:13
get something new, get him situated, go to Walmart and you
2:52:16
get stuff or whatever. And then I'm not You know,
2:52:19
encourage you go to Walmart and where you want to go, I couldn't
2:52:21
care less, but go he may need socks or whatever, you know.
2:52:25
So three o'clock central Time Monday.
2:52:28
You have to be at the program. Mr. Miller, can you live with
2:52:30
that, okay, and your honor. Mr. Mitchell that is agreeable
2:52:34
with the state. I did also want to say that this
2:52:37
agreement is the law enforcement officers that were involved in.
2:52:41
This are agreeable to this place and I appreciate you wanting to
2:52:46
address any underlying issues that may exist.
2:52:48
Okay. And is this, the play you want
2:52:49
to enter? Yes, sir, I'm gonna accept your
2:52:51
play of no contest to the charge of driving on the insulin.
2:52:54
When I asked you sign this waiver rot's the storm.
2:52:56
Mr. Miller explained to you already.
2:52:57
I'm confident he has this form waves, your rock to a trial.
2:53:00
Also wager at calling cross examine Witnesses at that trial.
2:53:04
Mr. Hodges signing. Your date of birth.
2:53:11
Mr. Hodges, I'm going to accept that play of no contest.
2:53:13
The judge of the defense of DUI. Place on probation for 11 months
2:53:16
and 29 days court costs and fines of 1,078 dollars to be
2:53:20
taken from the cash Bond. The balance of the cash Bond
2:53:23
will be returned to whoever posted it.
2:53:24
You have the conditions required by state law which are
2:53:26
successfully complete DUI school which I've talked to you about
2:53:29
successfully, perform, perform 25, excuse me, 50 hours of
2:53:32
Public Service work. But since you're doing an
2:53:35
inpatient treatment program, as long as you stay there and
2:53:38
complete the program, you'll begin credit for the time there
2:53:41
and that was satisfy your community service work
2:53:42
obligation. I do recommend the minimum
2:53:45
driver's license suspension, and it's a total of 90 days.
2:53:48
Mr. Miller has been clear that the initial inpatient portion is
2:53:52
only 45 days, I think. But there's a follow-up
2:53:55
Aftercare. That's all so inpatient.
2:53:58
And I've told the attorneys, I have no problem with that.
2:54:00
As long as it's in patients, you've got to be somewhere at
2:54:03
least 90 days, dealing with the underlying issues.
2:54:05
Once you get out call supervision very well may start,
2:54:09
but you only be on supervision until you get this condition.
2:54:11
Is completed. Normally, people have to do half
2:54:14
their supervision and your case you may not even have to do
2:54:16
half. You may want to talk to now
2:54:19
stares, you may want to go and schedule the DUI school at a
2:54:22
short, a short time after your release that way, you've already
2:54:26
got it. Scheduled.
2:54:27
And when you finish the program you'll have that already
2:54:29
scheduled. Yes, sir, but that's something
2:54:32
about. Lastly, you report to the
2:54:35
program. Next Monday.
2:54:38
A January 26th. No, later than 3:00 pm Central
2:54:41
Time. Mr. Hodges.
2:54:42
Do you have any questions? No, Sir, Mr. Miller.
2:54:45
I miss anything from your perspective.
2:54:46
Know, you're on a brand. I didn't want to make sure that
2:54:48
I'm clear about one thing. Once he gets out of the program
2:54:51
in the supervision starts, how long does he have to check in?
2:54:54
To probation. Well.
2:54:59
Where do you live at? I live in Donaldsonville.
2:55:01
Okay, what I'm going to say is the next working day.
2:55:05
Okay. So if you get out on a Saturday
2:55:10
or even a Friday, you know, you got report in the following
2:55:13
working day, So if you get out on a weekday, you gotta put the
2:55:17
next next morning. Next day to get out, they'll
2:55:20
give you hours down. Stairs are open, 8 a.m. to 4:30
2:55:22
p.m. let's go next working day, and that's just to check in.
2:55:26
And make sure you're on the same track.
2:55:27
Everybody wants you to get this done and complete it and get all
2:55:30
probation. Get it behind you.
2:55:31
Yes, sir. Okay, any questions Just well, I
2:55:35
get a copy of the older. Yeah.
2:55:37
You gonna get a copy of everything on just a second and
2:55:39
you don't see, Mr. Goodson with the probation office.
2:55:40
And they're going to get you down stairs and get you
2:55:42
instructed. They're gonna go over everything
2:55:43
with you answering questions, you have give you a copy of
2:55:46
everything in writing and then you'll be free to go.
2:55:47
Yes sir. We see a few dad has any
2:55:49
questions. So do you have any questions?
2:55:52
Well, I hope you complete everything.
2:55:57
I wish you the best. Okay.
2:55:58
Thank you. Mr. Miller for getting this on
2:56:00
the dock and getting it resolved appreciate it.
2:56:02
Absolutely. Thank you.
2:56:02
Your honor for doing on that short, notice and Mr. Hodges.
2:56:05
If you have any questions, give me a call even if you're down in
2:56:08
probation, okay? Yes, sir.
2:56:11
Thank you. He said, yes, Dustin, we have a
2:56:14
couple more cases of Mr. McDaniels, I think both these
2:56:17
may be actually, one of them is not Mr. McDaniel, let me take
2:56:20
Mr. McDaniels last case and State versus Robbie mickens,
2:56:30
Judge Garcia. Yes.
2:56:32
All right. You're we're doing a hearing
2:56:35
here at the jail and you shout in.
2:56:37
Can you disconnect us from the sorry?
2:56:40
Gotta interrupt. Because Lindsay steps in with
2:56:43
two more ten dollars super chance to get us to the goal.
2:56:46
We've never done a Super Chat goal here at TCF in the 15-month
2:56:51
so we've done the channel. So I just wanted to try it and
2:56:54
see what would happen because we haven't done it before and the
2:56:57
generosity has been amazing today.
2:56:59
I really appreciate it. You know, you guys always have
2:57:03
my back and it means a lot and Lindsay you've really stepped up
2:57:07
today and been super generous and that's very sweet of you and
2:57:11
I appreciate you. I hope you know that very much
2:57:14
appreciated but As promised. In my hands, one can of Chunk
2:57:21
white albacore tuna. The cats.
2:57:24
Love this, this will be their snack tonight.
2:57:26
I'll try to catch some pictures or videos and we'll post those
2:57:29
on the channel. Just as proof of following
2:57:34
through. But again, your generosity has
2:57:36
been great. As always.
2:57:37
I mean, I've said it before though, you guys don't owe me
2:57:39
anything, but you're usually appreciated and I just want to
2:57:43
say, thanks. So back to judge her assets,
2:57:46
that total 300 dollars is that sound right, Mr. Mickens Yes.
2:57:52
How long do you request after you complete your sentence to
2:57:55
have to pay that fee? How long do you need after you
2:58:00
complete your sentence with that?
2:58:07
What I want to do is give you 60 days from when you complete your
2:58:10
sentence, to those cold calls and finds paid.
2:58:13
Excuse me, it's not core cousin finds.
2:58:15
It's a special assistant public defender fee.
2:58:18
So see 60 days that 60 days does, even begin Mr. Mackins
2:58:22
until you complete the sentence Mr. Making, do you have any
2:58:24
questions? Don't show you.
2:58:27
All right, so thank you. Wish you the best?
2:58:44
We have State versus Randall. Pittman that Mr. Mitchell has
2:58:49
requested to be added. To see what we've seen in that
2:58:53
case, Mr. Pittman, your case is set for trial and Mr. Mitchell's
2:58:58
added you to the docket today to make sure that was still your
2:59:00
decision because I think the offer to you today would
2:59:03
essentially be a time served offer.
2:59:04
Yes, your honor. That's why I requested bring him
2:59:07
back up. See if he wanted to go ahead and
2:59:09
accept the time, served offer, if not, we can just leave him on
2:59:12
the favorite Child date and the trial date.
2:59:14
So you're Set for February. That's what you choose to do.
2:59:17
Mr. Pitman that is perfectly, okay, but the offer they made to
2:59:21
you, or that was made to you was 60 days.
2:59:24
And now that you've done 60 days, essentially, it's a time
2:59:26
served off, which means if you decide to take the offer, I
2:59:30
think there was a plea to one charge, and the other charge
2:59:31
will be just missed. Yes, 25575, mm would be
2:59:35
dismissed. So that's all for that was made
2:59:37
to you. You don't, I'm not suggesting,
2:59:38
you take it or not taking it, I'm just making sure you're
2:59:40
aware of that. That is a time.
2:59:43
Served all for at this point. Is it still your choice to go to
2:59:46
trial? Or do you want to accept that
2:59:47
plea off? Well, at this point I want to
2:59:50
request on Council because the state they're not certainly with
2:59:56
any documents. They're making sure that I don't
2:59:59
even see what I'm in charge with.
3:00:01
And there's no way anybody can win in that situation where you
3:00:06
don't even know what, but the charges are, or what's going on
3:00:08
in the case. So, I mean vendors that I don't,
3:00:11
I don't disagree with that, I don't disagree with what you're
3:00:14
saying at all. That's why I've encouraged you
3:00:16
to accept the services of an attorney because you have to
3:00:19
file certain intent to participate in the discovery
3:00:22
process. And once you do that, they have
3:00:25
an obligation to give you the information.
3:00:26
You're talking to you're talking about.
3:00:28
So you're you're requesting an attorney for at least for now to
3:00:32
get an attorney appointed. Represent you correct?
3:00:34
That's correct. I'm going to point the public
3:00:36
attorney's office to represent. You, Mr. Pitman.
3:00:38
And so, what we're going to do then is for right now, you're
3:00:41
still on the trial. Docket obviously, Mr. Back,
3:00:43
Daniel needs to talk to you, and then he'll bring you up on
3:00:46
appropriate court date. But right now, you're still set
3:00:48
for the same court date. Your previous set for Mr.
3:00:50
McDaniel, if you're able to reach some agreement, please let
3:00:54
us know if there's other motions or issues need to be dealt with
3:00:56
Mr. McDaniel, please let us know that Mr. Daniel, anything else
3:00:58
from Mr? Pitman.
3:00:59
Nothing else? Right?
3:01:02
It is one time. It's kind of surprise to me.
3:01:03
So I'll talk to you. Yeah, so yeah.
3:01:07
Thank you Mr. Pigment, we'll see you soon.
3:01:13
Here. And I believe that's it.
3:01:14
Except for Mr. Whitaker. Which Whitaker?
3:01:20
John's talking to him right now so there may be a possibility
3:01:22
comes back up, I don't know. We'll see.
3:01:27
Come on up, Mr. Whitaker I don't see any paperwork in your hand.
3:01:30
All right, so I did notice that Mr. Mitchell.
3:01:34
See that while we're waiting? And well, we're waiting, well,
3:01:40
they're waiting results of the poll a little bit of both.
3:01:44
So since we are at pretty much at the top of the fourth hour,
3:01:48
we'll do 30 more minutes of court.
3:01:50
And then at the bottom, you guys can call in and chat about what
3:01:54
she saw today or whatever. Again, there's a link in the in
3:01:58
the Discord for channel members to do that.
3:02:01
And I've got a couple of Court related news stories, so we can
3:02:05
go through as well and maybe some commentary on what we see
3:02:08
here. So that's what we'll do per your
3:02:11
request. The possibility of costing him
3:02:14
his job, but she's had for two years.
3:02:15
So in set of doing that, we set a sentencing for today.
3:02:18
As Mr Whitaker to bring in some documentation from the employer
3:02:21
about his employment and we would go from there.
3:02:24
Is that what you have with you Mr Whitaker?
3:02:26
Can I see that please? Mr. Bat, Daniel, I'm assuming
3:02:29
you've not had a chance to see that I have not tried it, right?
3:02:32
I don't need to see it. I mean I just let the cord
3:02:34
review it and So US Foods verification of employment to
3:02:38
whom it may concern. Michael Whitaker's, current
3:02:40
employed full-time. With US Foods adds a night
3:02:43
selector, Mr. Whitaker's date of higher was April 8th. 2024.
3:02:46
Should you need additional information?
3:02:47
Please feel free to contact and there's an email and phone
3:02:50
number on here for the this person.
3:02:54
And what is, what is Mrs. Adams. They don't say their role.
3:02:57
What is their title? Who is he?
3:02:59
I have the email if you want to. Okay.
3:03:03
I'm just trying to see. It doesn't say her role on here,
3:03:05
which is a little unusual. Okay.
3:03:06
This is the person we tried to call in court when they get a
3:03:10
hold over. Okay, so let's put that in the
3:03:13
court file. So Mr. Back, Daniel and Mr.
3:03:16
Mitchell To summarize my memory. I watched the video again this
3:03:22
morning. But driving records horrible,
3:03:25
but most of it was older stuff. This was a 2020 case, five years
3:03:31
old. He missed his court date once
3:03:35
been active for four plus years. He gets arrested in the
3:03:38
neighboring County. Madison County, press for the
3:03:42
same thing in Madison County. When he resolves that over
3:03:45
there, I was about Bond or release.
3:03:46
He sits there about nine days. Comes over here gets a bond set
3:03:51
or at some point, post the bond and then shows back up for
3:03:54
Raymond procedurally. That's what the video.
3:03:56
This morning, I watched seemed to reflect but Mr. McDaniel I as
3:04:00
I said, I just someone's had a job for a year and a half.
3:04:05
I wanted a little more information before I did
3:04:07
something make a costume that job.
3:04:09
So Mr. Last thing is, when he entered a plea, it's the first
3:04:13
degree. Misdemeanor.
3:04:13
He played to in case a maximum of a year in jail.
3:04:16
The state's recommended all for before, anything about all that
3:04:20
information and employment was what Mr. Mitchell, the previous
3:04:24
offer, yes, it was 60 days. All right, so, Mr. McDaniel, let
3:04:28
me hear from you first anything you want to make sure I'm aware
3:04:31
of emphasize. I think we went over everything
3:04:34
at the last year and if you recall, so it's a whole lot
3:04:36
more. Just let you know.
3:04:37
He's got nine days Joe credit on this Gorge and that's, you know,
3:04:41
yeah, I don't think he'll just asked Sports.
3:04:47
Mr. Mitchell, you're on her, I will clarify that the offer that
3:04:51
I originally made 60 days. At the time, the Madison County
3:04:55
case was Still open in the felony portion is what it is
3:05:01
since then. It looks like it has actually
3:05:03
been transferred down to County Court over there.
3:05:06
So that's the reason why I made that offer right there.
3:05:11
I think he said he had nine days credits.
3:05:12
Is it still unresolved the game? It looks like it's still
3:05:15
unresolved. It looks like he's been given a
3:05:17
court date for 22326. Not a credits.
3:05:22
What? Mr. McDaniel, or he told us, he
3:05:24
actually wanted to say that. You.
3:05:28
Know, that's pretty much it right now.
3:05:30
So, Mr. Whitaker you got a choice choice.
3:05:32
Number one is to say, I don't want to do probation.
3:05:34
I just want to go and do my 60 days and get over with get
3:05:37
credit for nine days and do it. It may or may not cost you your
3:05:40
job, you know, that situation better not to Choice.
3:05:42
Number two, is to say I'm going to probation if you take Choice.
3:05:46
Number two and I give you a shot at probation and if you make it,
3:05:49
it's great. Everybody's head.
3:05:52
But if you get probation and you don't make it and there's a
3:05:55
substantial violation. There's a high likelihood.
3:05:58
I was sent you to more than 60 days in jail.
3:06:01
More being somewhere between 60 days and the one year maximum.
3:06:04
So, the question really is for you to decide How likely is it
3:06:07
that you can make probation Do to probation.
3:06:12
Well, so you're requesting the probation.
3:06:15
I'll turn it instead of the 60 days in jails.
3:06:17
That right, Mr. McDaniel, anything else?
3:06:20
um, Nothing else genre and I mean probation to go over
3:06:24
everything with him and Mr. Whitaker means you got to comply
3:06:26
with everything. Pay the fines sending the emails
3:06:29
responding to the probation officers.
3:06:31
You see intake touch with them, take it serious.
3:06:33
No drinking alcohol know using drugs.
3:06:36
So all part of probation. So just understand that No
3:06:41
driving without a valid. DL.
3:06:42
Also so, Mr, Whittaker. Someone's had the same job for a
3:06:47
year and a half that says something about their work
3:06:49
ethic. That that's the only reason I'm
3:06:52
considering a probation is because you've got a job and
3:06:55
that says something and I don't want you to lose that job.
3:06:57
Frankly, they're maybe hard to come by right now.
3:06:59
So, what I'm gonna do is I've already said that your plea of
3:07:03
no contest to the charge of drywall, license.
3:07:04
Suspended to vote knowingly second or subsequent.
3:07:07
Offense. They first, we mean I'm going to
3:07:09
withhold of adjudication go almost since you to 11 months
3:07:11
and 29 days, probation, Mr. Whitaker, you will have the
3:07:14
standard conditions of every Probation.
3:07:16
Plus the following special conditions Carlson finds the
3:07:19
standard amount for this charger.
3:07:21
Just 400 dollars. You have a condition that you
3:07:23
not drive a motor vehicle, unless you have a valid losses,
3:07:26
if you get out of license, you drive all you want.
3:07:28
But if you don't have about the driver's license and you get
3:07:30
caught drama without license. That's gonna revoke your
3:07:32
probation. Oh you have a condition that you
3:07:35
obtain a valid driver's license. If one is reasonably available
3:07:37
to you, what that means is something.
3:07:40
Pay thousands of dollars to get a license because of something
3:07:43
that happened years ago and they just simply can't do it.
3:07:45
Other people. All I got to do is pay a
3:07:47
reinstatement fee. So if you can get a license,
3:07:50
you're going to be expected to. If it's too complicated to
3:07:52
expensive, then you can't do what you can't do.
3:07:54
And I'll put a note in the system when I told you about
3:07:59
making probation and your offer being 60 days and I want you to
3:08:03
succeed the last thing, Mr. McDaniel mentioned, I need to
3:08:05
make sure you understand is when you mentioned emails because of
3:08:08
where you live, you don't report every month.
3:08:10
That's not practical. What will happen is every month
3:08:13
you will send in an email that is a form.
3:08:15
They're going to give you down stairs and that email will
3:08:18
constitute you report. You can do about email or mail
3:08:21
or regular mail. But instead of reporting in,
3:08:23
you're going to send that in every month with any payments
3:08:26
you want to make and you want to come back here every month as
3:08:29
long as you do that. Now if you don't send that email
3:08:31
or mail in that will violate your probation if you call
3:08:35
driving out of the driver's license that would you probation
3:08:37
if you don't pay your court costs and finds that may violate
3:08:40
your probation. If you get charged on new crime
3:08:42
somewhere, not a volunteer probation.
3:08:43
I have, of course, What's the total of them 400 dollars, okay,
3:08:49
today you can, if you pay today, you don't worry about that.
3:08:53
Now you do have what's called supervision, which is Forty
3:08:57
dollars a month but that's only for the months that you're on,
3:09:00
okay? So I want you to try to get
3:09:01
everything done at six month point, so you can get off early.
3:09:04
So you would only pay six months of that.
3:09:06
You obviously wouldn't pay for the months that you're not being
3:09:08
supervised, okay? So you have the 4000 that's it,
3:09:12
okay, okay, any other questions? All right, so, I think I've
3:09:16
already went through the whole sentence.
3:09:17
Didn't I? So what we're going to do is,
3:09:19
we'll give you some paperwork, I'm Gonna Get You see Mr.
3:09:21
Goodson here, Mr. Goodson. It's with the Probation office,
3:09:25
and Mr. Goodson, will get you down stairs and get you
3:09:27
instructed. They'll give you all the rules
3:09:29
in riding. They'll give you a chance to ask
3:09:31
any questions you have about those roles and then you'll be
3:09:34
free to go. Just remember every month,
3:09:37
you've got either send that reporting by mail or email or
3:09:41
come in person, that's up to you, but considering where you
3:09:43
live, you gonna get the option to it by mail or email if you
3:09:46
want. Any questions for me?
3:09:48
Yes, I wish you the best. See mysterious?
3:09:51
Okay. Yeah.
3:10:04
All right, so Mr. Matt, Daniel, that's everything I had on my
3:10:06
docket this morning, anything else from Republic.
3:10:10
Okay, that's everything he has. We'll move on again, just a
3:10:13
reminder. It is the fourth hour.
3:10:14
So normally you just listen to me chat right now and complain
3:10:18
about things, but because that hearing and Pontiac chewed up so
3:10:22
much of the time, we're gonna do the first half hour of more
3:10:26
court, and then we'll look at some thoughts and commentary and
3:10:29
court news and stuff after that. Let's go back to judge Stevens,
3:10:34
so you're really Tower? Yes.
3:10:36
All right, and the state and the defense both here. there was a
3:10:43
motion to revoke probation that had been filed back in 23, the
3:10:47
defended pleaded true and did June of 25 to violations which
3:10:52
were not submitted but, Were failing to report properly.
3:11:01
The probation office. So we continue to on probation,
3:11:05
here's a review. And some probation.
3:11:08
How are we doing? You're on her after the last
3:11:13
quarter? Parents that.
3:11:18
All possible to pay the restitution and full and Mr.
3:11:22
Cart did do that, just that he made 3,500 and 69 dollars and 12
3:11:29
cents, which finished paying the restitution and bull.
3:11:33
Um, the cases are Lark. Yes, they case was originally
3:11:38
set for May and so I sent a memo to you. at the, Restitution had
3:11:45
been paid. He is continuing to report
3:11:48
monthly to Ms young. He does reside in Vidor with his
3:11:52
brother and sister in law and at that time of the last court
3:11:57
date. You had advised that you would
3:11:59
be willing to consider other a lesser restrictive.
3:12:03
Community supervision. This is what else do we need to
3:12:07
accomplish on probation? Mr. Cows just not in a website
3:12:13
but just for the record, he's been on probation now for over
3:12:16
six years and if they do, well, of course, we can shorten from
3:12:21
probation and that's my question is, he worthy at this time, the
3:12:26
majority of Mr. Howard's time on probation.
3:12:29
He has been in Carson rated with within TDCJ Mr. Cowart, did he
3:12:36
successfully complete that incarceration without?
3:12:39
Yes, sir parole replication. Or he was paroled in that was
3:12:43
revoked. Okay, while I was on this.
3:12:46
Yes, sir. Okay, but he has been paid that
3:12:51
Price, that was assessed in that particular case.
3:12:55
On this one, what other? Conditions is the probation
3:13:01
office or the is the probation office.
3:13:05
Not only needs to be accomplished.
3:13:08
The only concern that we have is Mr. Cowart does have some
3:13:12
medical conditions and as of recent as of January the 6th he
3:13:16
did submit a drug test that was positive for his prescriptions
3:13:20
as well as methadone. That's the only issue that I see
3:13:24
if this point in time, we are prepared to, if you allow him to
3:13:30
go on to an inactive probation, we can we have an order of
3:13:36
allowing that with some additional conditions, such as
3:13:40
reporting for random drug testing.
3:13:43
When when requested, even though he is on and active probation,
3:13:48
the drugs that he's testing positive for those were not, the
3:13:52
prescribed drugs not just methadone.
3:13:54
Yeah. He what happened there?
3:14:00
Was Guy. I went to work with my sister
3:14:05
and I didn't have my medicines and he did it real quick on the
3:14:10
medicine. And if you don't take it and
3:14:12
methadone put their own thing to get any relief, see you self
3:14:15
medicated. Yes sir.
3:14:16
Yeah, that was the thing. Sorry, that's not the way to do
3:14:19
it on on probation. That was the same story that he
3:14:22
offered me in September of 2025, when he tested positive for
3:14:27
Methadone as well. That was addressed at that time
3:14:29
and we completed a substance abuse evaluation that
3:14:32
recommended special needs safe pee but because of Mr coward.
3:14:37
He's a registered sex offender, he's an eligible for safety.
3:14:45
All right. Shame on you the first time
3:14:50
shame on me the second time. Yes, it's like, I just say, we
3:14:54
went over this and, you know, that You know, stove and it
3:14:58
burns. Why would you embrace the stove?
3:15:00
Yeah, you're on a deal. Because of what we've talked
3:15:04
about the first time, but I didn't know the exact time, I
3:15:07
don't know where that tested positive kind of weird testing
3:15:10
positive. But but you would be the, you
3:15:13
know, just the best person to know whether you whether you
3:15:16
used improperly or not the test, we're going to rely on their
3:15:20
tests, unless somebody can prove that they were not administered
3:15:23
in the correct fashion. The tests are scientifically.
3:15:29
They give false And we're going to rely on the tasks.
3:15:34
Yes. Bye.
3:15:34
The ponderance of the evidence of the greater.
3:15:37
Yes. What are you suggesting that I
3:15:43
would offer the court to options if you wish to dismiss the
3:15:47
motion and continuing him on probation under a direct
3:15:53
supervision, I would ask that you consider allowing him to
3:15:56
report in ordering him to report directly, to Jefferson County
3:16:00
because of the fact, he does resign and Orange County and we
3:16:05
would even be willing to reduce his supervision fees half.
3:16:10
To 30 dollars or you can place them on an active.
3:16:13
And if you'd like to review the inactive order that we prepared,
3:16:18
if that would be substation, what do you think is in the best
3:16:22
interest of success in this case?
3:16:28
The closer to him. I mean those are to me that 601
3:16:31
half a dozen of another I don't know how to weigh those.
3:16:33
I trust you. Your honor.
3:16:42
Just come through with what you asked him to do with the
3:16:46
exception of the recent methadone positive.
3:16:48
He reports as he's directed even though he's tardy at times, but
3:16:55
Ms, Lincoln young is now supervising him and she's
3:16:58
working with them. He would be transferred to a
3:17:02
different officer with a direct report here.
3:17:05
And I would say that having him reported to Orange County would
3:17:11
be a hindrance on him. Financially, as well as
3:17:16
transportation, and that would be in, I think.
3:17:19
A path for unsuccessful. Probation. if we continue to
3:17:26
hear, what conditions would you add, if any, I wouldn't add any
3:17:32
additional conditions are at this time.
3:17:35
I'm just concerned about it. The methadone.
3:17:38
Yes, sir, positive That that's the concern.
3:17:42
And because of the fact that he I specifically addressed it with
3:17:48
him on the first one, okay? Before I do something.
3:17:51
Go ahead, Mr. Turk just The goalpost keeps changing on this
3:17:59
one for us. I don't post change because you
3:18:02
know no sir not only. This was the method don't
3:18:04
positive that's changed, I understand Jeff and I just a
3:18:07
couple of days ago, I got the recommendation for the probation
3:18:09
office that they were going to recommend and active.
3:18:12
Now it's going to. Hey they come back and say these
3:18:14
are the test positives know we're in this email.
3:18:16
No one of these conversations will be put in their Couple of
3:18:19
the fact that guess what they're left to change their thoughts, I
3:18:22
understand. Okay.
3:18:23
They're not making contracts, he made the contracts, he made the
3:18:27
contract with me, if we buy it. So, don't blame that.
3:18:30
I'm not just don't wanna size. Is please.
3:18:35
Just lets what's in his best interest.
3:18:37
So he can be a successful person and be perfectly productive in
3:18:43
life and be independent. I think at this point judge,
3:18:45
he's comply with military thing that everyone's asked him.
3:18:48
Hey, most everything. It's not an almost there but he
3:18:52
gets you the Participation trophy.
3:18:55
I want to the winning trophy for us.
3:18:58
You just okay. She's what else do you come into
3:19:05
the impression that this was going to be recommended and
3:19:07
acted probation. Sorry.
3:19:08
Yeah, that's the frustration but they Find you.
3:19:16
I'm not going to criticize these people.
3:19:18
They produce a result that is unheard of in probation, and
3:19:24
that's 93% success rate which we're all proud of and we want
3:19:28
him that bring the bar up to 94 with his success.
3:19:34
So, They're not going to get criticized on my watch.
3:19:37
They're, they're just kind of working hard and and they don't
3:19:43
mistreat people, we try to even drag them across the goal line
3:19:47
if we have to if that's what is necessary.
3:19:50
But I want him to be independent to make his own.
3:19:54
Right. Choice is independent.
3:19:57
There's a. Okay we're gonna I like your
3:20:02
idea and what we're going to do is we're going to continue your
3:20:05
probation and we're going to do it.
3:20:07
That is cost effective for you. I want to review and remotes or
3:20:15
But determination of probation or not.
3:20:18
Okay, yes. And you do well, all things
3:20:25
considered and probation says you're doing fine then.
3:20:30
That's what I intend to do. Is so But let's get yes, another
3:20:38
three months also, do whatever it takes so that it's cost
3:20:43
effective for him. So it's less costly.
3:20:47
And he doesn't have to make those drives.
3:20:51
Yes, I have a order. Oh sorry.
3:20:54
He's Going to be reduced 30 dollars per month.
3:21:01
And you ordered to report to the probation officer in Jefferson
3:21:05
County. We will review in 90 days or
3:21:09
less. If you feel like we don't need
3:21:13
to wait 90 days. Let's get in free.
3:21:22
I think you're doing. I think you're doing good.
3:21:24
Thank you. But once again, yes, we want you
3:21:28
to be on this 93% success rate, not the seven percent because I
3:21:35
know I believe you're able to and that's some people are
3:21:39
hopeless. Sometimes you just know it's
3:21:41
frustrating that they're not going to make it.
3:21:43
You are the ones just make the right choices.
3:21:48
You know what they are? Like a five.
3:22:04
Here. Is something that if you just
3:22:11
get a resetting for free months, please.
3:22:14
Thank you, thank you. Thank So real honesty there from
3:22:19
Judge Stevens. That I don't think I've heard
3:22:21
from another judge where he just admitted some people are
3:22:24
hopeless. I admire that I admire the
3:22:28
honesty and just the flat out truth of it because we've talked
3:22:31
about it here some people just aren't gonna get it and he's
3:22:34
just being real up front about it.
3:22:36
Okie dokie because Lindsay reminded me that it is Friday
3:22:40
and I have a duty to show you Duncan Court.
3:22:42
Let's spend a little bit of time there.
3:22:46
Probably cut into that half an hour that I reserved just a
3:22:50
little bit, but that's okay if you're new to the channel and
3:22:54
you're not familiar with dungeon Court, you're going to go, this
3:22:58
is really bad and that's the whole point.
3:23:01
Just embrace it for what it is. It's a guilty pleasure.
3:23:03
Ladies and gentlemen dungeon Court.
3:23:35
He wasn't here, he's not been able to find another provider in
3:23:46
West Virginia. You have insurance.
3:23:48
Yeah, West Virginia. I would think somebody would be
3:23:57
able to take the Western Medical Corps, but I, well, OBP can.
3:24:01
But I don't see Brianna here today.
3:24:04
Give me a call. Okay, yes, we can recall try to
3:24:10
make contact with, obviously they can do an assessment for
3:24:14
Mr. People who can call now he graduated from ogp and we went
3:24:20
to care recovery right after the cover care several living.
3:24:24
Yes. And so Unless he's relapsed or
3:24:28
something like that. Yeah, I didn't know if you guys
3:24:34
want me to do outpatient or try to go back to another state.
3:24:45
Okay, 2578. I got left, she's been the rain
3:25:16
going. I've got one charge, it doesn't
3:25:18
look like she's ever going to rain going Mr. Hill number
3:25:21
discussing, there might be a new church.
3:25:22
So I don't think you guys have a 80 was a medicine charge for
3:25:26
November last time. Remember last time, they'd bring
3:25:31
in the over? And you said just to go ahead
3:25:34
and clean not go to you that one too.
3:25:36
Maybe we did January 12th. I have a transmission.
3:26:34
Right. And I will now be putting in
3:26:36
that case, I will speak to her before the next if he put
3:26:39
everything on the same date. Are we still going after March,
3:26:43
or February 13th, or before, you know, we can do before I needed.
3:26:49
He had a trial. Oh, okay.
3:26:50
There were nice. I didn't want to load him but
3:26:54
before the trial. Okay, so, actually the first
3:26:57
week of February is not bad. We're safe travel.
3:27:01
The second is out, the 9th is available 6:30.
3:28:01
Construction here. He's on California.
3:28:24
Pass this weekend. We can get back.
3:28:32
We have four wheel drive vehicles are.
3:28:38
Coming. Back.
3:29:08
All right. You wish to proceed, Mr. I we
3:29:11
could come back at A Time, the honor determines 30 days, 45
3:29:16
days, two weeks, what do you think's best?
3:29:18
Like, we're, I think we're doing well, just standing Force.
3:29:22
I would say the end of February I found.
3:29:24
Yes sir the 27th or March 2nd. February 27th.
3:29:35
Thanks caring for Mr. Harold. This is a legislation from
3:30:48
October. I believe the state's national
3:30:52
difficulty with the alleged victim as far as cooperating.
3:30:55
So I think this really gonna move to dismiss what the right
3:30:57
three files should be decided to cooperate in the future.
3:31:01
What happened? Your honor is the alleged victim
3:31:04
in this matter is also the Finland and With a different
3:31:11
alleged victim but he had a hearing here on 12th.
3:31:14
So I think that I haven't had a chance to look it up yet but
3:31:22
that's unresolved his name is Christopher Lane Tackett.
3:31:27
So what we would do is not only this charge and maybe have to
3:31:32
refile it if he comes around and there's a reason to, okay, so
3:31:37
the knowledge You can not cooperation is a victory.
3:32:17
Yes. Judge.
3:32:48
So, I'm gonna well. Do we have spring results for
3:32:53
us? Yes, but you just we do and I
3:32:57
was really tired of the results of my client.
3:32:59
But Judge.
3:33:30
This is a second. She had one here.
3:33:33
I believe last summer is been recent.
3:33:35
I was representer, she has a father who's under medical care.
3:33:40
She has to take two from the doctor, I have done the math but
3:33:42
I believe it's been 45 days. Since the arrest, I have to
3:33:47
double check that, but she gives it for a limited drivers coach
3:33:51
for the purpose of taking care of your dad too far from his
3:33:54
medical points. She's not working correct.
3:33:57
She doesn't need to employment. I just take care of him and my
3:34:03
mom works. And this is considered as I'm
3:34:08
reading this, even though it was done.
3:34:15
By my urine, rather than Bob breathe.
3:34:17
This would be considered a high test on the internet.
3:34:22
It's a high test second offense. Well.
3:34:53
Plates. and, Those two additional hoops and I would
3:35:14
feel more comfortable about giving the driving privilege.
3:35:16
So yeah, I understand you We'll discuss in my office.
3:35:33
We go. I've got a free rent to talk
3:35:35
about the test results here. The next Terry, we're going to
3:35:39
discuss that, and we can do that.
3:35:45
Is there a way is the ninth is I'm here the 9th?
3:35:47
Yes, don't worry. They're not here we do the six.
3:35:57
Okay. Thank you.
3:36:19
start to come into the right. Side of the Shah, Shores, hwrc,
3:36:30
2580, A to B shot, a short. and this case,
3:37:07
a discovery has been requested is partially complete.
3:37:11
We're still waiting, we have surgeon stumps body worn, camera
3:37:16
video. I believe tenant, Lunsford is
3:37:19
going to supply his body worn camera, the state, and that will
3:37:23
turn it to me if we can come back.
3:37:26
Six ninth or 13th of February. I'll hope that time review.
3:37:29
Nice. My best.
3:37:32
That'd be fine, judge every night, you
3:38:05
Are. This up Friday, I have not had
3:38:30
changed yet. The file Discovery to do that.
3:38:40
I could judge. Thank you.
3:38:53
Thanks. For this next time, you're thank
3:39:00
you. they will have worship The Carriage Stover with the crb
3:39:10
25501, CRV 24 460 Forgiving. and,
3:40:36
He? Okay.
3:41:32
He's got to preach out. There's another charge that came
3:41:35
about in the last week, or so indicates.
3:41:38
It's on prefer, Boys, 6, where pretrial?
3:41:43
Yeah. Okay.
3:41:45
The instructions. There's 26 cr8, 19. and, 26.
3:41:53
CRV 20. Those are the newest ones I
3:41:57
have. This problem 2619.
3:42:24
Yes, you could just put them, we'll come back and make sure
3:42:30
he's still doing well. All right, so these, these cases
3:42:34
were set previously, I was Right.
3:42:38
So I'll put everything for February 6th.
3:42:46
All cases are circuits are very Sims.
3:42:51
Usually so that's 6446195 follow the line and 26 case.
3:42:57
Numbers are all set for February 6th.
3:42:59
Thank you. Alrighty, friends.
3:43:12
So Abbreviated. But let's do some TCF over time
3:43:17
again. I hope you all enjoyed today.
3:43:21
That hearing in judge, Bowie's Court took forever, but I still
3:43:25
thought it was interesting. I I like to capture those
3:43:28
procedural things when we can they're kind of fun.
3:43:33
Not for the victims but you know, the legal proceedings are
3:43:36
good. And Yeah.
3:43:41
It's been a good day. Thank you again, everybody for
3:43:42
your generosity today. It really It really means a lot.
3:43:46
I mean, this is Obviously. This this show to do, it takes a
3:43:53
whole lot of time, and a whole lot of effort, but it's a joy to
3:43:57
do and it's a joy because of all of you.
3:43:59
And that's not just because You guys treat me.
3:44:03
Well financially. It's it's because I enjoy being
3:44:06
around you guys. It's, it's I've said it before.
3:44:09
I view this, I view, this is a job because it is, but it's the
3:44:12
most fun I've ever had doing work.
3:44:16
And it means a lot to be able to spend the time with you guys.
3:44:18
So thank you. Okay, let's do this.
3:44:24
Go there. Hit that a couple of news
3:44:28
stories that are worth covering and by the way, if you want to
3:44:32
call and enjoy me, the link is posted feel free because we do
3:44:36
have What about 15-20 minutes here, so there's time.
3:44:41
There's two stories that caught my attention last night, but I
3:44:44
wanted to share with you. This one is Florida, man.
3:44:49
Boat captain accused of selling cocaine found at Sea to
3:44:53
undercover cops in Sun, soaked tourist haven.
3:44:57
I sure hope. That this ends up being a
3:45:02
streamed. By somebody, because this would
3:45:05
be a fun one to monitor Florida. Charter boat captain is in hot
3:45:09
water. Ha ha.
3:45:10
After allegedly peddling drugs here, partly found at Sea to
3:45:14
undercover deputies. According to authorities.
3:45:19
Bradford Todd piccirillo. 65 was arrested Monday on charges of
3:45:23
trafficking cocaine. Selling cocaine and possessing
3:45:25
cocaine in the Florida Keys. the Monroe County Sheriff's Office
3:45:29
said, in a statement of social media, Authorities said,
3:45:32
picarella coordinated. A drug deal with undercovered
3:45:35
deputies at his cell phone business Outlaw fishing charters
3:45:38
in Marathon around 3 p.m. Monday.
3:45:42
Ahead of the dealer allegedly spoke with undercover agent on
3:45:47
the phone reportedly. Instructing him to bring a
3:45:49
cooler to the marina. So, it would appear as though he
3:45:51
was picking up fish. Now, this is what got my
3:45:55
attention about this story. I don't know if you guys have
3:45:59
ever seen the show bloodline on Netflix.
3:46:03
It's Stars Sissy Spacek and a couple other people.
3:46:06
It's, it's a few years old now. I think it ended in like, 2018
3:46:10
or something like that, but One of the subplots in that show and
3:46:17
it's based in the Florida Keys, one of the subplots in that show
3:46:21
is a guy with a fishing business, who's moving drugs.
3:46:27
And this is how they move them is, they move them in coolers
3:46:32
with like fish on top to cover up the fact that there's drugs
3:46:35
underneath. so, it's like, He's he watched Netflix and he's
3:46:40
like, oh I can do this. That's exactly how this one
3:46:43
down. The book.
3:46:45
Captain also allegedly, told the agent that he had an additional
3:46:48
100 pounds of cocaine in the event.
3:46:50
He was looking to purchase even more of the illegal drugs.
3:46:54
When the agent arrived at pick girls boat, he allegedly handed
3:46:57
the kilos of cocaine over to the buyer for him to place in his
3:47:01
cooler as pricker. Ello waited to be handed, 10,000
3:47:05
in cash to completely illegal transaction authorities.
3:47:08
Reportedly stormed on his boat and placed him under arrest.
3:47:11
Police said the captain revealed the remainder of his legal stash
3:47:14
was hidden inside a storage unit and allowed them can to conduct
3:47:17
a search authorities. Subsequently discovered nearly
3:47:20
two dozen kilos of coke covered in plastic wrap and marked with
3:47:24
a 332 stamp. As prickle piccirillo is being
3:47:29
taken into custody authorities also seized approximately, 20 3
3:47:35
kilos of cocaine, a 40 caliber handgun and 8,000 in cash and a
3:47:40
38 foot vessel. Quote, I want to thank all the
3:47:45
Sheriff's Office members in our law enforcement Partners who
3:47:47
investigated this case and continue to work to keep
3:47:50
dangerous drugs out of our community Moroccan County
3:47:52
Sheriff. Rick Ramsey said in a statement,
3:47:55
Pickerel is transported to the local jail, in the case is
3:47:57
expected to be prosecuted federally.
3:48:01
The investigation was conducted with the assistance of the moron
3:48:04
County. Sheriff's Office, Special
3:48:05
Operation, detectives high intensity drug trafficking area,
3:48:10
investigators US Customs, and Border Protection US border,
3:48:13
patrol, drug enforcement, and CBP air, and rein operations.
3:48:19
That's a lot going into this, but I wanted to share it because
3:48:24
I, again, what caught me is, this is the exact sub one of the
3:48:28
exact subplots of bloodline even taking place in the exact same.
3:48:35
Place in the Florida Keys. So, I swear, I this this guy had
3:48:40
to have just watched watch Netflix.
3:48:43
It's like, oh I can do that. But what got me?
3:48:46
is, he's He's saying that he found the cocaine at sea.
3:48:56
Just floating there was it? Like did he find it at the
3:48:59
bottom of the ocean and some treasure chest?
3:49:04
It's amazing. What people will come up with?
3:49:06
You're caught, dude, just admit it.
3:49:08
At that point. You wouldn't At that point, I
3:49:12
don't think it would make sense to, to say that.
3:49:16
That you founded at seed be better off again.
3:49:19
And so this before in other cases, you know, rat out the guy
3:49:22
above you and make a deal at that point, you're caught, you
3:49:25
know? But what do I know?
3:49:31
Oh anyways, so other story I want to cover with your real
3:49:36
quick. And I don't remember if we
3:49:38
covered this on over time or if we talked about it in a pre-show
3:49:41
but we've mentioned a couple of times after Timothy busfield, so
3:49:45
he was accused of some crimes against children stuff. uh, in
3:49:52
New Mexico, I believe he's in Albuquerque. and the Albuquerque
3:49:58
Police found this and then supposedly it took him several
3:50:02
days to turn himself in so the Albuquerque Police turned it
3:50:06
over to US Marshals for them to go find him but he eventually
3:50:11
turned himself in Well, the plot thickens here, a little bit.
3:50:16
So in theory, what we have is an actor slash producer.
3:50:22
Slash director, slash all the slashes that they do with this
3:50:25
Hollywood stuff. Who.
3:50:29
Did things to children. And we've seen this before and
3:50:32
we wring our hands, however, It might not be as simple as what
3:50:37
they say. Timothy Buss feels to funds
3:50:39
blames quote, stage parents, with fraud, for child sex.
3:50:43
Abuse charges. Timothy Buss feels legal.
3:50:46
Team is argue that the parents of the accusers in the actors
3:50:50
child sucks. To be his case, have a quote,
3:50:52
well, documented history of Fraud and dishonesty.
3:50:56
Ronald Rodas and Anjali LaSalle the parents of the twin boys had
3:51:01
quote, and obvious Financial in retaliatory motive, when filing,
3:51:05
the criminal complaint against busfield earlier this month, the
3:51:08
actors lawyers stated in documents obtained by Fox News,
3:51:12
busfield 68, surrendered to local authorities.
3:51:15
On sex abuse charges on January 13th, he was held without bail
3:51:19
at the time of his arrest on two consequent, criminal, sexual
3:51:22
contact, with a minor in one count of child abuse.
3:51:25
In response opposing pretrial in a response, approaching opposing
3:51:30
pretrial detention. There we go down. his team
3:51:33
argued that the state's case against busfield was built
3:51:36
entirely on the accounts of two stage parents, who are not
3:51:40
neutral Observers Quote, their allegations emerged only after
3:51:44
the loss of the twins role and only after consultation was
3:51:49
civil Council creating an obvious Financial retaliatory
3:51:52
motive. The motive must be evaluated
3:51:54
against the couples. Well, documented history of
3:51:57
Fraud, and dishonesty bus. Feels Laird note, no lawyers,
3:52:02
noted that road us. Quote is a former attorney who
3:52:06
was convicted of federal conspiracy and wire fraud and
3:52:09
later disbarred following. The following that prosecution
3:52:13
for a multimillion dollar scheme, in which he used his law
3:52:16
license to deceive of deceive, vulnerable victims for profit.
3:52:21
Road is pleaded guilty in 2017 to one count of conspiracy
3:52:24
commit mail and wire fraud. He was sentenced to 41 months in
3:52:28
prison in order to pay nearly four million in restitution for
3:52:31
his role in a multi-million dollar fraudulent mortgage
3:52:34
modification scheme Now, just to be clear this pleading guilty to
3:52:39
wire fraud, that is the feds default plea.
3:52:45
They always run to where fraud because that's the easiest thing
3:52:48
to, to prove and that's always held over your head as a plea
3:52:52
deal. During Tuesday's hearing Amber
3:52:56
Fairburn. Urge Judge David Murphy to
3:52:58
release busfield from custody pending trial is he was the
3:53:01
victim of retaliatory campaign created by rhodus.
3:53:04
And LaSalle there are victims and They are victims and they
3:53:11
were still these two boys, but they were victimized by Timothy
3:53:14
busfield. Fairburn said, they were
3:53:17
victimized by their own parents, who no longer could make the
3:53:20
money as a lawyer disbarred. No longer could write bad checks
3:53:23
taking 80% of the money they made on a TV show and then
3:53:26
manufacturer into victims as Revenge.
3:53:30
According to the warranted by Fox News.
3:53:33
The twins to 11 year old twins alleged that the director who
3:53:37
they were told to call Uncle Tim on the set of the cleaning lady
3:53:40
had touched them inappropriately.
3:53:42
Blah blah. They go into the details of the
3:53:45
actual allegation, which I don't think we need to go into. but, I
3:53:54
will say this where initially, it looked like, He was probably
3:54:04
guilty because they put out a warranty.
3:54:07
Didn't immediately turn himself in?
3:54:09
There was rumors that he was trying to run that he was trying
3:54:14
to evade. However, there must be some meat
3:54:19
to this, at least in the judges eyes because, well, he was being
3:54:24
held without bond after this. Hearing he was released our so,
3:54:31
there's something to it and the sad part is if it if there is
3:54:36
something to it, and This really was a made-up scenario.
3:54:41
This really was some bad actors as parents.
3:54:46
Not saying the kids were bad actors on the side.
3:54:48
You know what I mean? Which we see all the time in
3:54:51
Hollywood. These parents of Of these child
3:54:55
actors tend to be just horrible. Wil Wheaton who played Wesley
3:55:01
Crusher on Star Trek, the Next Generation. that's a very famous
3:55:06
case of parents, who Were just absolutely horrible to him.
3:55:13
And just ruined his childhood. So this stuff does happen, but
3:55:17
but I was gonna say, the sad thing is though, is if that is
3:55:20
true, and if this is a scenario, where, This guy has been fussy
3:55:29
accused his career is still never going to be the same.
3:55:33
There's there's still going to be this.
3:55:36
This stink around him regardless and people are going to be
3:55:42
hesitant to support his projects.
3:55:44
There's always going to be questions and that is the really
3:55:50
sad part of it. So I'm hoping that this is the
3:55:53
case, I'm hoping that really nothing ever did happen to those
3:55:56
kids by his hands. Anyways, But that means
3:56:01
something definitely was happening to them by the hands
3:56:04
of the parents, not necessarily. Sexually abusive but certainly
3:56:08
certainly used the kids if that's the case.
3:56:11
And I don't know. We'll see.
3:56:14
So I'm going to keep an eye on this one because I don't know
3:56:16
about you guys, but I'm curious to see where this goes.
3:56:19
Because it seemed pretty clear at first When they did the
3:56:23
investigation they put out a warrant and then all of a sudden
3:56:25
he wasn't there. but, It's not so clear now, is it?
3:56:32
I guess we'll find out. All right, my friends that oh,
3:56:35
no, Mike's here. Never mind.
3:56:37
I was gonna say I'm out of here, but Michael, I'm not out of
3:56:41
here, just oh, I was just gonna say real quick, you know these
3:56:44
we always jumped down the road. So these guys and and you know
3:56:48
but there are times where these allegations are made up they're
3:56:52
just they're BS. A specialty.
3:56:55
As you mentioned yet The Wil Wheaton thing.
3:56:56
Yeah. And Wil Wheaton So there are,
3:57:02
there are, there are Bad actors. Ha so to speak in this in this
3:57:07
Arena and You know, Barbara was talks about bringing out the
3:57:12
wood chipper. Well you know the same thing.
3:57:14
If you make a false allegation you look you deserve like a
3:57:18
double wood chipper. Wow, two two wood.
3:57:22
Chippers are a wheat thresher or something because that's worse.
3:57:26
Because what that does is of course it Ruins.
3:57:30
You know, there are people that are actually victims and then it
3:57:32
it puts a cloud of Suspicion over whether or not those people
3:57:36
that were actual victims were indeed, victimized, it's So, the
3:57:42
punishment for false allegation should be worse, I think.
3:57:46
Or at least that's bad. I could make a case for it to be
3:57:50
at least a mid-level felony, if not higher.
3:57:56
Yes. Because because of all of the
3:57:59
damage that you do all of the resources that you tie up,
3:58:03
because I I don't think I'm wrong, even if this this proves
3:58:08
out and the guy was falsely accused, his career is still
3:58:11
torpedoed. Absolutely.
3:58:14
Because, you know, there's always gonna be some people to
3:58:16
go. Well they wouldn't Charge it.
3:58:19
If something there, even if it turns out that he's completely
3:58:22
innocent. Um, so that's why in the civil
3:58:26
cases, you know, this is the kind of thing where and, you
3:58:28
know, I'm I'm always about, you know, keeping damages within
3:58:32
reason and some civil cases, this is one where I say go, Hog
3:58:36
Wild with the damages, I mean, a billion dollars, whatever you
3:58:38
got to whatever judgment, you have to get against somebody
3:58:41
like that. Because you have, you have not
3:58:44
only Ruined their career. But I mean, just their
3:58:47
reputation in general. Now, everyone's gonna think
3:58:49
they're a weird Steve and that's just and if they're not, that's
3:58:54
that's an incredible stink that you will never get off of you.
3:58:57
No matter how hard you scrub in society, you know.
3:59:02
Well Ashley just brought up in the chat that he's married to
3:59:04
Melissa Gilbert and other actors and and and her Her career will
3:59:10
be affected by this too. Well, absolutely.
3:59:13
Anybody that is Association sure.
3:59:15
Yep. So you know, if it turns out
3:59:19
that this is these are false allegations.
3:59:22
Yep, that's that's what should happen.
3:59:25
Yeah. And I agree, Dan, this is a, you
3:59:27
know, this should be mid-level or even upper level felony,
3:59:30
which it is, you know, filing, a false police report is just a
3:59:34
misdemeanor and sometimes you can get, you can get it, maybe a
3:59:38
felony for like, fraud or for some sort of scheme to defraud,
3:59:42
or sometimes they tack on some other charge.
3:59:44
But even that It to me, that's just not enough.
3:59:50
No. Know.
3:59:51
It's it's not because again the damage and the the cost of
3:59:55
resources and everything else is just outrageous.
3:59:57
I mean, let's be honest, Hollywood has at least a history
4:00:02
of this sort of behavior. So when you look at it, you're
4:00:05
not shocked by it, I mean, it did no back to Judy Garland.
4:00:08
And even before that, you know, Judy very famously was was
4:00:13
molested by the munchkins, right?
4:00:16
It's been going on for 100 years but cast the casting couch thing
4:00:21
is been a thing that people have known about for decades.
4:00:25
Yeah. So, so, you know, I, I think,
4:00:29
when you see this stuff, come up, you just immediately.
4:00:31
Jump to. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me
4:00:33
because I honestly, that's where I went. you know, when I saw,
4:00:39
yeah, okay, that tracks but These are some really good
4:00:43
points brought up by the defense.
4:00:45
You know, you've got and if a history of fraud yes, you know.
4:00:52
He doesn't mean that he's lying but there's definitely puts a
4:00:58
it's very suspicious. Um, it's like all those people
4:01:02
that went after Michael Jackson was Michael Jackson a weirdo.
4:01:05
Was he a kid touch her? Who knows?
4:01:06
Who knows. We'll probably never there was
4:01:10
something very, very odd about him and there's there, you know,
4:01:13
some people would say where there's smoke, there's fire.
4:01:16
But he was, let's, you know, he was never found guilty.
4:01:20
In fact he was never charged criminally.
4:01:23
He write he settled with people and, you know, you can say well
4:01:28
why settle? But, you know, and I would never
4:01:31
settle. But I'm also not sitting on
4:01:34
hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars and
4:01:38
sometimes you just paying someone 10 million or 20 million
4:01:42
dollars and they're out of your hair forever.
4:01:44
You know, there's it's a cost benefit analysis that has to be
4:01:48
done I guess. So it's true.
4:01:50
Um, good point but I don't know. It's it's one of those things
4:01:55
where in this case I just yeah I really hope that if it comes out
4:02:00
that these people have history of lock them back up.
4:02:04
Put them back up for for fraud. I think, I think you should, you
4:02:10
know, their house to be a consequence if, if there's
4:02:14
something here and it feels like there's something here.
4:02:17
Because again, he went from being held with out bond to Roar
4:02:23
that's a right swing, right? This wasn't even a reduction of
4:02:26
bond kind of thing. This is like um we're still
4:02:29
gonna go through with this because of the seriousness of
4:02:32
the allegation but yeah, we I'm we're not taking it all that
4:02:35
seriously, if we're going to hit you with an Roi.
4:02:37
Yeah, so that's Yeah, well, that's something done.
4:02:41
I I let's follow up on this, Dan.
4:02:44
I hope, you know. I want to see more updates on
4:02:48
this because I want to see how it plays out for sure.
4:02:50
No, I do too and we're gonna keep an eye on it.
4:02:53
Yeah. And I, I'd love to see an actual
4:02:55
court. Hearing, you know, I'd love to
4:02:57
see this, you know, if this, if, if it were to be aired, this
4:03:03
would be the place for it, that's for sure, but Bernardino
4:03:06
County does not stream from what I know, that's Yeah, that's too
4:03:11
bad. Yeah, and if it was like the
4:03:14
Arizona courts, even if they did it would sound like you're
4:03:17
selling your ordering at Burger King.
4:03:26
I, you know, people ask about why we don't stream courts here
4:03:30
in Arizona. And, you know, I've when I was
4:03:32
guest hosting, I I went out of my way to look as hard as I
4:03:35
could. And there were a couple, but the
4:03:39
audio is either terrible. Or they're real.
4:03:44
There's there's a couple that are just like real kind of dull
4:03:47
and not really Not really worth it.
4:03:50
Have you seen the pace and Justice window?
4:03:53
Yes. Yes.
4:03:54
I have the camera angle makes it look like.
4:03:58
They're, they're up at like a like a bank, tellers window.
4:04:02
It's yeah. It's like this, it's like this
4:04:04
pointed up like this. It's like this.
4:04:06
You barely see anything at all. And it's It's the worst. see
4:04:13
dungeon court is appealing because it's bad, but It's
4:04:18
there's a there's a certain ineffable quality to it that you
4:04:23
just you can't turn away, it's like a train wreck and you you
4:04:27
have to watch it even though it's bad.
4:04:29
And the audio quality is terrible.
4:04:31
You're like, how is this in the United States?
4:04:33
Like, how is this in modern day us the court?
4:04:37
With the Justice window of pace and is just.
4:04:40
It's, it's like, The worst conceived.
4:04:44
They might as well not even put a camera in there.
4:04:47
They might as well not even are it.
4:04:49
So I agree. Yeah, so I don't know Dan,
4:04:53
that's that's that's those are my thoughts on what's going on.
4:04:56
This is this was a good week. I'll tell you Fridays are good
4:04:59
days for these long hearings, I think?
4:05:00
Yeah. When we can find them, because
4:05:04
the alternative on Friday is a whole lot of landlord tenant,
4:05:07
which, oh my God, I don't want to watch that.
4:05:10
Yeah, so good ones from time to time, but right, but you have to
4:05:15
parse through it. I mean, that's one of those, you
4:05:18
know, there's 80 of them that are dull but there's there's
4:05:20
like one out there too that are that are actually really
4:05:22
compelling and every once in a while you get either the one and
4:05:26
you know Simpson will usually that's where the best ones are
4:05:28
or everyone. So I get back butt fucker for
4:05:32
4000 and Middleton's court. So yes.
4:05:42
That brings an undo our week. Thanks Michael.
4:05:45
Yes, of course, leave that part in the room for you.
4:05:54
I will say, I'm just waiting for the moment where he tries to log
4:05:58
in, with that name. We're gonna have to have a
4:06:01
discussion that happens though. All right, friends.
4:06:04
So, yeah, we will call it a day, appreciate all of you.
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I hope you had fun again. Thanks to everyone for your
4:06:09
generosity. You probably You probably.
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Spent. Your house payment on me today,
4:06:20
you know, seriously. I appreciate it.
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