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Ghosts of Halloweentown: Spirit of St. Helens · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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So do you remember that map of the filming locations that we talked about earlier?
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Yes.
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Well, it'll have more on that map than just locations from fictional movies.
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It also has some real locations of hauntings and dark history.
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Ooh!
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Ooh!
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Okay!
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You can use this map to go on a little fun, spooky, self-guided tour.
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Hi, Caitlyn!
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Hi, Cassie!
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Hi, creepy people!
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Hello!
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If you are new to our creepy corner of the world, this right here is PNW, Haunts and Homicides,
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where we chat about true crime, paranormal, and all things creepy and/or cool and fun in
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the Pacific Northwest.
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And also, we do a tarot rating at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper
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insight into our topic, so make sure you stick around if you're into that.
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And who wouldn't be?
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So as we record this right now, it is the last day of September.
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Can you fucking believe it?
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Uh, no.
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It's like, where did the time go?
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I know, I refuse.
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I feel like you say that more and more as you get older, but maybe this is me.
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I'm not interested in that trope, but I'm so excited!
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It's time to wake up Green Day!
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We're going to the TGOG show tomorrow!
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I'm so excited!
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Do you know what TGOG stands for?
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Yeah, two girls, one ghost.
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If you guys didn't know, that's what it stands for.
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Yeah!
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We're very excited.
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It's one of my favorite podcasts.
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Also, tomorrow, as we're recording, tomorrow's October 1st, the Halloween display map is
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now live.
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So, as of right now, it's been live for a couple of weeks.
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So make sure to check that out.
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We had a little bonus on it.
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It's a map of really cool, like, Halloween light displays.
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Kind of like you would think of Christmas lights, but it's Halloween style.
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Yeah.
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Are all of them light displays or are some of them just, like, different Halloween decorations?
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I'm sure there's some light involved.
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I'm not really sure, because nighttime?
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Yeah, it's night.
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Yeah.
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But I'm--
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It's "gark" outside, you guys.
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Yeah, oh my gosh!
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You said that twice today.
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Hey, listen, it's a shoe fits.
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If it's "gark" outside.
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Well, should we get into it?
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Yeah.
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So we talked about this briefly in last year's Scary Fun in the PNW.
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Ooh!
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Do you remember that episode?
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I do, yeah.
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We just kind of jumped around the Pacific Northwest, talked about a few different things.
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So to get into the spirit of Halloween, we're going to go a bit more in depth on one
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of those today.
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Jump in the tour bus with me, Caitlyn.
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Let's go!
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I would like to know where we're going first.
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Room, room, room.
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Oh, it's always fun with me.
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I'm talking about-- today we'll be visiting a little town of about 14,000, just under 30
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miles north of Portland.
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This is a port city on the Columbia, right across from Washington.
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You're like, "I have ideas."
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Yeah, I've got guesses.
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When the town was purchased in 1847, it was named Plymouth.
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Okay.
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It was actually obvious reasons.
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Yeah, I think so.
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It's not like some-- it's not a history podcast, folks.
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I won't get into that, I promise.
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This isn't boring facts.
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No, I mean, hey!
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Yeah, don't you dare.
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That's my segment.
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But then the name changed only a year later to Cassino.
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Oh!
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After a Chinookan Chief.
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Chief Cassino.
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I looked up-- there's a ton of different spellings of this.
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I was trying to figure out how to pronounce it, and then one of them just rode out Casino,
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and I was like, "Oh, I guess it's pronounced Casino."
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So--
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Interesting.
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Is that where Casino's come from?
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Literally my next sentence.
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But we're not getting into that.
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My next thought.
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It's not that's not what the episode's about.
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We'll get into it in maybe another time.
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Okay.
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Maybe one of you creepy people can do a research paper on it.
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Yeah, you can.
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I like that.
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Then two years later, the name of the town changed again.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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I know.
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This one finally stuck, though.
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All right.
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St. Helens.
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"Due to the gorgeous view of the active Mount St. Helens volcano in the distance."
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No.
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It's fucking active.
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I looked to the sub because I originally wrote "dormant," and I was like, "Wait, is it?"
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And I looked it up and, "Oh, it's active."
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That's wishful thinking.
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She's active.
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I've ever heard of it.
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I was like, "I have..."
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We talked about this earlier.
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I have an irrational fear of volcanoes.
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And I just don't want to think about it.
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I mean, but who doesn't?
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If you're not worried about hot lava...
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Yeah.
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I said it's...
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For the...
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For the...
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Like, it's on my mind every day.
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Like, a volcano passes my mind every day.
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Yeah.
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Lava.
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Do you know what I think about a lot?
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And it's not unrelated.
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Is the Cascadia subduction zone?
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Abduction zone?
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Is that like the earthquake thing?
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Yeah.
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I like it.
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Okay.
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All I am.
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It's everything's fine, you guys.
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We're here now.
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Yeah.
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Let's make the most of it.
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For how long?
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Let's talk about St. Helens.
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Yeah.
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The fun stuff.
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I know.
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Oh, sorry.
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Yep.
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Quit killing my vibe.
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I'm so sorry.
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So it's right across the Columbia River in Washington.
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And I'm not sure the distance as the crow flies.
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But it's about an 86 mile drive northeast according to the Google Map Gods.
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Okay.
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So the reason I say that is because you can't just like drive over the river.
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I guess there's no bridge right there.
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You can't do that.
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So to get to St. Helens, you got to like go up north and over a bridge and then like
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back down and over the river and through the woods and...
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Yeah.
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...to Batsquatch's house we go.
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Yeah.
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It's a whole thing.
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So do you remember that that's how that's like where the legend of Batsquatch was born?
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In St. Helens.
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Yeah.
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He was birthed from the eruption in 1980.
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Oh, okay.
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Now that you say that, it makes sense.
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I was like, "What?"
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You know what?
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I feel like with Batsquatch being your boyfriend, Caitlyn, you should know where he came from.
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Oh, yeah.
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That's right.
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Yeah.
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No, you know what?
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Here's the thing is I still think of Clyde as my...
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Claud.
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Claud.
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See you don't know their names.
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Whatever his name is.
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Listen.
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Okay.
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It's sort of a T-Swift situation here.
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You're a paranormal fuck boy.
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Speaking of, I made a playlist based off of the Jesse Driskill situation with the ghost
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of a Texas ladies man.
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I was like trying to think of the title.
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Yeah.
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So I made a playlist off of that for Patreon.
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Love it.
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But I got a blank space for ya, baby.
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It was fun.
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So we talked about how the town of St. Helens puts on the spirit of Halloween every year.
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Throughout September and October, they decorate the town, most famously with the giant pumpkin
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from the Disney movie, Halloweentown, obsessed, yes, in the courthouse plaza, which they light
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on the first Saturday in October, right after the big Halloween parade.
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And that falls on October 7th this year.
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I know.
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And the magical jack-a-lantern stays lit for the rest of the month.
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Oh my God.
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I don't want to be on our town on that day.
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I was like, is this where you tell me that's why you're out of town?
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No.
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I'm going to see my great-grandma.
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Yeah, that's right.
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I know that.
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I know these things.
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And I still was like, she's going to the great pumpkin.
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But I will be by the hot lake hotel, which I visited a few times.
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So we might stop again.
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We like to stop there.
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Do you remember?
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I think I've told you the story about the pumpkin that I won when I was in kindergarten.
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You won a pumpkin?
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I won an enormous pumpkin.
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Like a real pumpkin?
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A real pumpkin.
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Bigger than you, probably.
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Oh, yeah, which wouldn't be hard to do back then
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If you think I'm short now, whoo.
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Go back to kindergarten.
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Why are they giving children giant pumpkins?
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I don't know.
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It literally weighted down the car.
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Oh my God.
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The back end was sagging.
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I would be pissed if I was your mom.
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Oh, I think my parents were pretty, pretty pissed.
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What the fuck?
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What are we going to do with this?
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Exactly.
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Well, they put it in my aunts yard.
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It was like, if I recall, I think a 467-pound pumpkin.
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Oh, my God.
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It was huge.
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There's a picture of me with it somewhere.
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I will see if I can track it down for you.
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Wow.
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Yes, please.
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It's fucking adorable.
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I was a stop sign that year.
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Oh, like a literal stop sign?
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Yeah.
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Oh, my God.
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Like an actual stop sign.
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That is so cute.
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Yeah.
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Were you red?
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Did you paint your face red?
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No.
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It was literally just like a costume that like you put on, but they didn't do like face
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paint or anything.
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But I had, like, that was when I was still young enough that I had pretty red hair.
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Did you pick it?
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I have no idea.
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Like what?
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Stop sign is like the most random.
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I am so weird.
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I have to imagine that was somebody else's like one of my cousins costumes made me.
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I want to be a stop sign.
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I want to be a stop sign.
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It does sound like a kid thing to say.
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Yeah, maybe.
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I don't know.
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I might have to do a little bit of follow up with my mom on that.
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We'll see what we can find out.
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So St. Helens is actually where they shot a lot of the movie, Halloween Town, as well
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as some of the scenes in Twilight, which being a rat, I'm obsessed with that and I had
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to bring it up.
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Any excuse to bring up Twilight?
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Naturally.
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There is a map I will link with a bunch of the filming locations from both movies.
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Speaking of Twilight.
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Oh, they have a whole Twilight weekend.
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That's fine.
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It already passed.
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So don't get too excited, but maybe next year.
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All right.
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I can go.
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I see how it is.
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I see how it is.
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Well, I don't know.
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Do you want to come with me?
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You don't seem not excited.
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Do I not?
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I feel like my voice says nothing if not excitement.
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Yes.
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I think they have some of the actors come and do like meet and greets and stuff.
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So that would be pretty cool.
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Oh, hey.
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But it might be kind of packed.
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I don't know.
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I don't like people that much like.
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Yeah.
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No.
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You.
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We'll see.
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But this year is also the 25th anniversary of Halloweentown.
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And Sophie and Dylan and Luke and Marney are going to be there.
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Oh, my Gourd.
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So visit the website, spiritofhalloweentown.com for all the scheduling and pricing details.
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So you can go to the town and walk around and see stuff, but they do have ticketed events,
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which I assume like the Twilight stuff and all of that is ticketed.
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So go check it out if you want to know.
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Okay.
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But some of the spooky fun includes haunted houses.
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Obviously, they got to have one.
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I think they just have one.
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I said plural, but I think there's just one.
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All right.
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They have haunted hot rods.
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Okay.
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And something called the great big Halloween exhibit.
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Okay.
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Which sounds fun.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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And they have a flippin' resident mermaid named Una. shut up.
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They have a mermaid you guys.
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What?
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They say they have magical unicorns.
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Okay.
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Which I'm really interested to see if they're just like a pony with a horn strapped to its head.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I'm going to write a couple of key notes down here.
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So we have what was that a magical unicorn?
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Yes.
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Mermaid Una promises have been made.
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Quick aside, our mermaid live was so fucking cute and fun.
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I know.
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It was so much fun.
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And then we watched the new little mermaid after we did a whole mermaid day was a whole
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flippin day.
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It was so fun.
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I get it.
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Flippin.
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Yes.
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I said earlier too.
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And we gave away a gorgeous mermaid postcard that we picked up from the peculiarium.
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Yes.
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It was a whale of a good time.
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Oh, you.
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Anyway, back to St. helens.
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So the spirit of Halloween also includes an alien interview and museum of peculiarities and
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oddities.
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Oh, just like all of that.
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Yeah.
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And I'm going to read a quote describing this quote from the website.
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The new feature will be a must see for anyone who has questions for resident alien.
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We have been able to connect with an alien who has agreed to answer questions in this
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audience based attraction.
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The alien comes to us from a distant galaxy and will appear in a mind blowing holodeck.
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Ooh, lucky audience members will be able to ask our alien direct questions and get the
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answers that they've been looking for.
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This is a very limited attraction.
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So get your tickets early. end quote, I want to go.
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I want to go.
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I need I have questions.
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Yes.
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we were literally just saying we have questions.
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I need answers.
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And you know, we don't know for sure if this is a real alien, but I'm willing to take the
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chance.
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It's a possibility.
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Aliens are real.
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They are.
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This one probably not.
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The last fun event I want to mention is on October 27th, 28th and 29th, witches celebration,
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witches on the water, witches beer fest.
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I know.
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I want to go.
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Can we go?
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I really want to go.
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This is a quote from their website.
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Loads of witches throughout the day will jump into town here and there.
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Enjoy the fun, including Ursula Maleficent, the wicked witch, Glinda the Good Witch, Ariel
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was, Ariel's not a witch.
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And others.
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I mean, isn't she though?
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She's mermaid.
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But she did the witchy stuff.
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I mean, Ursula did the witchy stuff.
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I mean, yeah, she was a participant.
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Does that make her a witch?
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Oh, we always say everyone can be a witch.
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So maybe I guess mermaid could be witches too.
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It's funny because I will argue that Ariel is definitely a witch.
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She was a, she was participating.
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Okay.
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She was complicit in witchery.
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And that was like my favorite all-time movie.
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She's a witch.
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It was my first favorite.
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She did blow.
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Yeah.
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She's a witch.
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I see what you did there.
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Okay, finishing the quote, because I didn't finish it yet.
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Yeah, sorry.
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Witches on the water weekend is extra special with our paddling witches floating down
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the river on their boards.
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It's a famous spectacle.
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We are honored to receive, end quote.
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And we talked about this in the scary fun episode.
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I think it was a different location.
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Yes.
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So they go to a new location every year?
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I think that there's more than one celebration because if I'm mistaken, forgive me, but I
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think that we talked about it.
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They do it somewhere here in Portland, where they paddle on the water.
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We need to take up paddle boarding.
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Yeah.
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And be a part of this.
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I hear it takes an incredible amount of core strength.
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So working on that core.
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Yeah.
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No pain, no champagne.
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I mean, can we just skip to the champagne?
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Like is there somebody else who could paddle board?
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And just like all sit on the board with the champagne?
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Is that?
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That's perfect.
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Is that a ticketed thing?
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I would pay for that.
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New business idea.
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Yeah.
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Woo.
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TMTM.
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So do you remember that map of the filming locations that we talked about earlier?
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Yes.
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Well, it'll have more on that map than just locations from fictional movies.
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It also has some real locations of hauntings and dark history.
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Ooh.
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Ooh.
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Okay.
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So you can use this map to go on a little fun, spooky, self-guided tour.
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I'm down.
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Maybe.
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Actually, hold on.
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I want to see the map first.
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I know.
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I was like, wait, you're done.
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Okay, let's go.
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I don't know.
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Sometimes I get excited.
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Passion on this.
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I think it's my excitement rubs off on you.
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Yeah, a little bit.
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I'm excited.
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Well, that's how I hype you up to do anything spooky.
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Yeah.
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One of the stops is the town's waterfront.
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And this is going to be quoting the map.
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Even before the city of St. Helens was established in the late 1800s, the waterfront area
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was a bustling port receiving ships from far away seas.
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Longshoremen, boat builders, loggers and blacksmiths resided there.
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Henry Knighton, the city's founder, along with investors and workers moving west, believed
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that the town would surpass the newly established city of Portland.
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Well, we'll see.
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Continuing quote, but after the Pacific mail docks and many buildings burned in two fires,
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Pacific mail was persuaded to move to Portland.
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Their dreams didn't work out.
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Not so much.
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Continuing quote, sorry, this is a long quote you guys.
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Work on new docks was suspended and the docks fell to decay.
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Oh no.
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I know.
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Proof that Portland's early business elite may have been responsible, never surfaced, but
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immediate and lasting suspicion casts a shadow on the riverfront district.
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So they were implying that Portland sabotage St. Helens.
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That sounds like very Portland of that era.
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Yes.
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It seems like, I buy that.
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I don't know why, but it's reminding me of the Pittock Mansion episode where he wrote in
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the big newspaper and sabotaged the other guy, don't remember his name, but for the mayor
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thing.
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Yeah.
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I'm trying to think it also takes me back to when we talked about Mary Leonard.
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She was the first female lawyer in Portland.
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Yeah.
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That's right.
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There's a couple of episodes that we've talked about some of the old timey history of Portland
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and she's shady.
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We should have a new podcast called Sabotage.
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Sabotage and shady Portland history.
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Yeah.
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Let's do it.
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And we have to do it just like that.
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Like we're like old timey radio disjockeys.
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Okay.
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That's going to take some study for me.
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That's a really good into character.
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I'm going to find you a dude, bro.
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You're going to find me a time machine.
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Tutor.
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Yeah.
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Are you ready for our next stop on the tour?
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Maybe.
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The Courthouse.
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Oh, yeah.
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Okay.
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I know you're like, oh, Courthouse lawyers.
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Yes, I got it.
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Okay.
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This might actually be a story for you later.
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Bring them up again.
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The Rose and Trellis across from the plaza give no hint of the hanging that happened here
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where the gallows once stood.
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No, thank you.
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Yeah.
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Oh, boy.
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So she haunted.
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She might be because a murder occurred in the town in 1902.
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And to this day, it remains a question if the man convicted and hung for the murder was
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actually guilty.
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Oh, boy.
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So I'm going to need you to investigate this and do an episode.
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Okay.
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I'm on it.
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I'm going to start my research right now.
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Okay.
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I was like, I can give you more.
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There's more information on the map brochure thing, but I don't want to give too much
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away because I want to hear about it later.
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Don't tell the people all my secrets.
21:09
Yeah, exactly.
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Another stop on the map is the Columbia Theater.
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This is on the map because it was in both Halloween, town and twilight.
21:19
Oh.
21:20
There's nothing on the map about it being haunted, but searching elsewhere.
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I found that a ghost of an elderly man resides there and you may spot him sitting up in the
21:31
balcony of the theater.
21:32
Oh, that's kind of cute.
21:34
I know.
21:35
He's just still enjoying shows hanging out.
21:39
Being old.
21:40
Being old.
21:43
There's one other spot, not on the map that I want to mention because I found it in some
21:46
people's comments.
21:48
Ooh.
21:49
So apparently Saint Helen's high school is haunted.
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There is a tricksy ghost named Vera who haunts the auditorium.
21:58
Oh, no.
22:00
I wouldn't have graduated.
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Well, I feel, okay, let me say this and then we'll get there.
22:06
Okay.
22:07
So Vera messes with the lighting and other shenanigans, but I feel like every school auditorium
22:13
was haunted.
22:15
We were told that our auditorium was haunted.
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Yeah, I just pretended it wasn't.
22:20
I was like, the school was built like six days ago.
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It was pretty new.
22:24
So I was like, how did this room or even get started?
22:26
But like, I know.
22:27
So I kind of feel like every auditorium is haunted.
22:30
Could be haunted though.
22:31
I think it's maybe slightly because maybe kids don't know how to work tech that well, but
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you know, they're learning.
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That's what they're in school for.
22:40
No offense, techies.
22:41
They're all going to come after me.
22:45
No.
22:46
No, our best friends are techies.
22:48
Our final resting place on the tour is the Klondike restaurant and bar in the historic
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old town area of St. Helens.
22:58
Some people in the comments and stuff were saying it was closed, but they have a website
23:02
and it appears to be open on when I Google Maps it.
23:05
So I assume it's open.
23:07
Maybe that was during COVID.
23:08
It might have been.
23:09
It might have been.
23:10
So I don't know if it like closed for a little bit and then opened, but we should go and
23:14
see if it's open.
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You might not want to go.
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I don't know.
23:21
We'll think about it.
23:23
The building is Victorian style and in the past has been a hotel in brothel.
23:28
Are they all?
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Yes.
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Salacious.
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Remember those long, shorman boat builders, loggers and blacksmiths from the waterfront?
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I guess so.
23:41
Those were some of the same people that frequented the Klondike.
23:44
You don't say?
23:45
Yeah.
23:46
You need to somewhere to stay, you know?
23:48
Yeah, sure.
23:49
You get their broth alone?
23:50
Yeah.
23:51
Okay.
23:52
I want credit for not saying seamen FYI.
23:56
Okay.
23:57
All right.
23:58
Multiple people, even some locals, reporting apparitions in hearing unexplainable voices
24:05
and otherwise empty areas of the restaurant.
24:09
No, thank you.
24:10
One specific apparition is a man in a classic lumberjack red and black flannel sitting in the
24:19
booth.
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Sitting in a booth.
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Okay, I.
24:22
That's what it felt like.
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Yeah.
24:27
Maybe I'm picking it up vibes.
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I don't know.
24:29
I feel like I'm like blushing.
24:31
I'm kind of attracted to this mans.
24:33
I was going to say you are blushing can verify.
24:37
Oh my gosh.
24:38
I just like I'm so into the lumberjacks.
24:40
That's so funny because I was just sitting here thinking, yeah, like the lumber core.
24:44
What's that?
24:46
Lumber core?
24:47
Like cottage core?
24:48
Yeah, like lumberjack core is not really, it's not really my vibe, but it's my thing.
24:54
I live in the best state.
24:56
Yeah.
24:57
Yeah.
24:58
You really do.
24:59
So this lumberjack man's, he's sitting in a booth, but when the server comes over to take
25:04
his order, poof, he's gone.
25:07
Okay, well, that's not polite.
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He's a paranormal fuck boy.
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I.
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Yeah.
25:14
I mean, he hasn't ordered anything, so he's not running out on the check, right?
25:17
Yeah.
25:18
That's true.
25:19
But I don't know.
25:20
That we know of anyway.
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Yeah.
25:22
I'm just saying.
25:23
I don't know.
25:24
Also, apparently you still need caffeine in the afterlife because there is a coffee pot
25:29
that turns on by unseen hands.
25:32
Great.
25:33
So you're telling me that I will be tired even when I'm dead.
25:36
Apparently yes.
25:37
That's what it looks like.
25:39
That tracks.
25:40
That's.
25:41
They warned us about adulting and they said we'll get rest when we're dead.
25:50
They lie.
25:51
Yeah.
25:52
That's the part that's two truths in a lie.
25:54
Also, that's such a great marketing strategy though for coffee.
25:57
It's so good.
25:58
You'll want it even after you die.
26:01
Ooh.
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Ghost Alley espresso.
26:05
Ooh.
26:06
I was thinking, did we just develop our own coffee line?
26:11
Ghost coffee.
26:13
It's like you can't even see it.
26:15
Yeah.
26:16
But you can order it.
26:17
Yeah.
26:18
It's a digital purchase.
26:22
I also hope like someone's not just setting the timer on the coffee pot, but whatever.
26:27
I feel like they would have looked into that.
26:29
I feel like too.
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Yeah.
26:31
You got to explore all the possibilities.
26:33
Yeah.
26:34
Sure.
26:35
So, employees have experienced other electronics malfunctioning.
26:40
They will randomly turn on and off.
26:42
And for instance, the volume of the radio will turn up and down for no reason.
26:47
Hmm.
26:48
Don't mess with my tunes.
26:50
Don't touch another man's radio.
26:52
I know you're like jamming and then it goes down, but maybe it turns up and you're like,
26:56
yeah.
26:57
Turn it.
26:58
Turn it up.
26:59
Yeah.
27:00
When people mess with their stuff, they're never like, oh, yeah.
27:03
It's always like.
27:04
Hmm.
27:05
They're doing the Ross, the motioning of the take it down a notch.
27:09
Yeah.
27:10
Maybe they're ghosty, ears hurt.
27:12
So they want to turn the radio down.
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Oh my God.
27:14
You and your ghost problems.
27:18
Drink some more coffee.
27:19
Yeah.
27:20
Orbs have been spotted.
27:23
Okay.
27:24
Things from light bulbs to picture frames have been knocked down and or broken.
27:30
So, you know, there's some kind of like poltergeistie.
27:33
Yeah.
27:34
I don't, there's a lot of action of like physically touching and moving things and I really care
27:40
for that.
27:41
I'll be honest.
27:43
There's no reports of like touching people, which is good.
27:46
It's just mostly electronics.
27:47
Yeah.
27:48
That would be ideal.
27:49
Yeah.
27:50
Maybe don't touch me.
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Please.
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And thank you.
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Yeah.
27:54
Boundaries, you know?
27:55
We're going to cleanse the house after this.
27:56
Yeah.
27:57
I probably need a good cleansing too.
28:00
You a dirty girl.
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Got a dirty mouth.
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clean it up with orbit.
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You need some orbit up in this bitch.
28:07
Just throw gum at the wall.
28:12
That's like a hilarious misunderstanding.
28:17
There's a cosmic misunderstanding.
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I'm going to keep handfuls of orbit in my pocket to throw a ghost.
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Yeah.
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Put it in shotguns like the salt and supernatural.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
28:31
We just did a thing.
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Yeah, we did.
28:34
Paranormal investigators have visited the Klondike.
28:37
It's even appeared on ghost hunters and paranormal state.
28:42
No, I didn't hunt down the episodes to watch them, unfortunately.
28:47
But you know, if anyone else does, let me know if it's good or not.
28:53
But it said that when most investigators go to the second floor, they pick up on some
28:58
sort of unpleasant altercation that happened there.
29:03
Great.
29:05
Some have even caught EVPs.
29:07
No.
29:09
We should go to a different floor.
29:12
You don't want to hear EVPs?
29:13
They're my favorite.
29:15
I try to show them to you all the time, but you just say you don't hear them.
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Hey, listen.
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That's what you say.
29:25
Hey, listen.
29:26
Listen, Linda.
29:28
They even got video evidence of the coffee pot starting by itself.
29:34
Really?
29:35
Yes.
29:36
I did not see this evidence.
29:38
Okay.
29:39
We might have to track that down.
29:40
I know.
29:41
I want to find some shit.
29:43
That's worth a gander.
29:44
I'm not sure if like the ghost hunters or paranormal state, like the stuff that was on TV
29:49
caught it or if it was just independent ghost hunters.
29:52
Yeah, because that doesn't really make for great TV.
29:55
The coffee pot starting?
29:57
That would be pretty cool.
29:58
It would be, but if you think about it, like if you're just switching channels and you're
30:02
trying to decide what to watch and you flip and it's literally just an image of like
30:07
a coffee pot starting.
30:08
You're like, fuck is this?
30:11
But it's got the dramatic music.
30:13
It's in the night time vision so it looks spooky.
30:17
Probably Zak in the background.
30:19
yelling at demons.
30:20
We'll fuck out.
30:23
What would he yell at the coffee pot, you think?
30:26
God, what's one of his catchphrases?
30:29
I know he has some.
30:32
I don't know.
30:33
It's just like very taunting.
30:35
Yeah.
30:36
What?
30:37
You don't like coffee?
30:38
What?
30:39
I'm gonna put a full cup of coffee right here and you just thought right in my face.
30:47
It is, oh Zak.
30:51
Oh man.
30:52
I think if I were there and that was how things played out, I think it was a lot of fun.
30:56
I think I would just, I'd try to like sneak my arm and grab the coffee and then just,
31:01
"Fuck, my God, that ghost!"
31:04
She was a demon.
31:06
Definitely wasn't me.
31:09
Caitlyn is a demon.
31:10
Yeah, a little bit.
31:12
So as for this altercation, some stories say that a woman tragically miscarried upstairs.
31:20
I'm not sure when in history this might have happened but I assume it was before it
31:25
was a restaurant bar.
31:26
So like back in the hotel brothel days.
31:29
Yeah, that would make sense.
31:31
There are, of course, the sounds of ghostly children.
31:36
Okay.
31:37
Caitlyn, favorite.
31:38
I feel like I've made my thoughts and feelings on this topic very clear.
31:44
I'm sorry, I can't control the ghosts.
31:47
Well, yeah, I guess they're in lies the problem.
31:53
You might hear the sounds of children playing, laughing and probably doing that high-pitched
31:59
play scream that kids like to do that are fucking hate.
32:02
I don't even like that when they're alive.
32:04
I know.
32:05
But the owner encountered a little boy who questioned dad before disappearing.
32:13
Okay.
32:14
Not your dad.
32:15
Not your daddy.
32:16
Yeah.
32:17
Not the daddy.
32:18
You are not the father.
32:21
There's even been an EVP caught of a little girl crying.
32:25
Mommy!
32:26
Okay.
32:27
Mommy!
32:28
I don't need a different room because there appears to be a child here and I didn't bring
32:35
any.
32:36
Not here.
32:37
It's at the Klondike.
32:38
We're not there.
32:39
No, I mean, not at the Klondike.
32:40
No, only their spirit.
32:41
Oh, yeah.
32:42
I mean, like if I were staying there.
32:45
Oh, okay.
32:46
I don't think it's a hotel anymore.
32:48
I think it's just a restaurant now.
32:50
Probably for the best.
32:51
Hopefully you wouldn't be staying the night.
32:54
I guess if you were investigating.
32:56
Yeah.
32:57
Which, oh, I.
33:00
You know?
33:02
There were a few comments on the only in your state article from past employees and people
33:09
who knew staff members all agreeing about the paranormal activity there.
33:14
There's one quote from those comments that I want to end on.
33:20
I used to work at the Klondike.
33:22
Very much saw Lady looking out the window when I was outside having a cigarette.
33:28
As you walk down the basement stairs, if you listen carefully, you can hear children crying.
33:33
No.
33:34
There are also tunnels underneath the building.
33:39
Okay.
33:40
Very real.
33:42
Rumor has it.
33:43
It used to be a brothel and the abortion clinic was in the basement.
33:48
Well, that kind of makes sense based on what's going on upstairs.
33:53
Yeah.
33:54
Oh, no.
33:55
They said sad, which I agree.
33:59
I didn't really think of that kind of thing because you have to assume in brothels that
34:03
there's going to be accidental pregnancies, right?
34:06
One might assume.
34:07
Yeah.
34:08
Or even it's very logical that there was a pregnancy and, you know, like they said, the
34:13
woman upstairs maybe miscarried.
34:17
It's very possible if it was a brothel that those things happened.
34:21
Definitely.
34:22
Yeah.
34:23
So, I mean, sorry to end on kind of a sad note, but...
34:27
Oh, no.
34:28
Should we go to more happier things?
34:31
Like, tarot?
34:32
Yeah.
34:33
Tarot?
34:34
Yeah.
34:35
See, I wasn't too bad.
34:36
Tarot.
34:37
Also, before we recorded this, I got a text from a friend and she sent me this picture.
34:44
Let me show you really quick so I can get your reaction.
34:48
Where are they?
34:49
Halloweentown.
34:50
They're in St. Helens.
34:52
They're literally at the spirit of Halloween.
34:54
What a bunch of dicks.
34:56
I know.
34:57
I didn't even get invited.
34:59
Yeah.
35:00
But how funny it is that I'm talking about it today.
35:02
They had no clue.
35:03
And then they sent me a picture of them there.
35:06
I was not connecting the dots.
35:08
Oh, you didn't see the Halloween, the big Halloween talk?
35:10
I know I'm talking about that, but I was like, yeah, it's Halloweentown.
35:14
That's what we're talking about.
35:16
Yeah.
35:17
That was the whole point.
35:18
Is that weird though?
35:19
That was the entire point, Caitlyn.
35:22
That in a nutshell is the point.
35:26
It's like you forgot right after I ended like I do with you.
35:30
No, I was like, I know we're there.
35:31
I know that we're talking about, but I was like, oh, they're there.
35:35
Yeah.
35:36
I thought I was expecting something to like, boo.
35:39
Oh, no, they're so weird.
35:40
They're so weird.
35:41
It's just weird.
35:42
Someone went to Halloween town right the day I'm talking about it, recording half the
35:48
time about it.
35:49
That is funny.
35:50
It's one of those, what do we like to say?
35:53
Synchronicity.
35:54
Yeah.
35:55
Because I forgot the word.
35:56
That's what I was looking at.
35:57
You're like, finish my sandwich.
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Hardake, regret, grieving, sorrow and loss.
38:29
Aw.
38:30
Yeah.
38:31
That was the sadder side of our story today.
38:35
I think it kind of makes sense.
38:37
Just looking at this heart with three swords, piercing it is painful.
38:42
One of the saddest cards in the tarot,
38:44
it symbolizes deep emotional pain, heartbreak,
38:48
and a real or perceived tragedy.
38:51
Oh, a real or perceived tragedy.
38:54
Interesting.
38:55
That is interesting because you never know
38:57
if these stories are real.
38:58
I mean, the hanging one, obviously, the murder,
39:01
that was all real.
39:02
Yeah.
39:03
Well, and it's funny because even though that's real,
39:07
that could be a real or perceived tragedy,
39:12
I guess, depending on how you look at it.
39:15
Yeah.
39:16
If he's guilty or not or--
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Yeah.
39:18
I mean, obviously, we know some people think that
39:21
capital punishment is a tragedy, no matter what,
39:24
but that's an aside, anyway.
39:28
You may not manage to avoid the suffering indicated
39:31
by the three of swords.
39:32
However, the card advises separating true grief
39:37
from self-pity.
39:39
Hmm.
39:40
Let's not pity ourselves.
39:42
That's Halloween.
39:43
Yeah.
39:44
Okay.
39:45
So we have an extra excerpt here.
39:48
The quote says, "The soul is a diamond in the rough,
39:53
which must abide the blows inflicted by suffering
39:57
in order to shine in all its brilliance."
40:00
Wow.
40:01
Okay.
40:02
You know, none of that self-pity stuff, right?
40:06
All right.
40:07
In a reversed interpretation, it says,
40:10
"The reversed three of swords is acting--
40:13
oh, is actually less problematic and severe
40:17
than the upright three.
40:19
Go figure.
40:21
It suggests you're making more of an unhappy situation
40:24
than necessary, or that a disappointment is temporary,
40:28
not the end of the world.
40:30
Perhaps the truth hurts, but once you face it,
40:33
you can improve things.
40:35
Pull yourself together and get on with your life.
40:38
Sorry, guys.
40:39
I had to bring us down, but it's okay.
40:42
Tough love."
40:43
It's a part of life.
40:45
We have to talk about it, along with a vonstah.
40:48
Yeah.
40:49
In a reading about money,
40:51
you may harbor regrets about what might have been,
40:54
or you've been chastising yourself for a bad decision.
40:58
The reversed three recommends letting go of blame and guilt,
41:02
repairing damage, and starting a new.
41:07
If the reading is about your job,
41:09
you may be pulling out of a damaging and hurtful situation.
41:14
The reversed three can mean the worst is over
41:17
and you've learned from your mistakes.
41:20
Remain watchful for confusion, deception, or poor judgment.
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Watch out, say, "Alice."
41:27
In a reading about love,
41:30
this card points to painful experiences,
41:34
but you're working on past problems
41:36
and trying to make things better.
41:38
You need to let go of jealousy, regrets, guilt, and fear.
41:43
Sometimes this card represents accepting a loss and moving on.
41:48
Except the losses, ghosts of St. Helens,
41:53
and move on to the afterlife.
41:55
That's maybe a good one.
41:57
Hang around a party during Halloween.
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Hey!
42:00
Pumpkin, all the witches!
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Do it!
42:04
Yeah.
42:05
I think you should pull one.
42:06
I was feeling while you were reading that you needed to pull one.
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Okay.
42:10
I want a funer card.
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More fun card.
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Funer is the winner.
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(laughs)
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Mm-hmm.
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Bring on the fun!
42:20
Oh, well, that's not the funnest card.
42:26
I mean, I think it could be worse.
42:28
Oh, this is interesting, though,
42:29
so we got the page of cups and reverse,
42:31
but she's on the waterfront.
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Oh, there you go.
42:36
She's literally standing on a dock.
42:38
Interesting.
42:39
That works.
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I'm okay, okay.
42:41
I'm okay with that.
42:42
All right.
42:43
Page of cups are keywords are naivete,
42:48
openness, sensitivity, immaturity, lack of boundaries.
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In some decks, just like some of your stories,
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the page appears as a child.
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Oh, yeah!
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Ghosty Kid!
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Kikikai.
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No!
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No!
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No!
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Also, immaturity of just, like,
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howlingness in general and the shenanigan.
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Disney movies and twilight and...
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Yeah.
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Yeah, maybe.
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Okay, it appears as a child and apprentice,
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a student, or a young servant.
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It's interesting, because we definitely talked about,
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like, a lot of people in, like, work that we would consider
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the traits.
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Yeah.
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Consequently, page cards represent innocence
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or the initial stages of a situation.
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Sometimes the page of cups is shown contemplating a fish,
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a symbol of the water element.
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When the page of cups shows up, it suggests intuition
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and innate artistic and creative abilities,
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but you haven't developed these yet.
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It also indicates emotional immaturity.
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If this card represents an actual person,
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here she is probably young, inexperienced in love.
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Bella Swan.
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It's a brothel.
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Sorry, I have to talk about twilight.
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Yeah.
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While we're here.
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Yeah, that does make sense for the brothel, though.
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Yeah.
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And perhaps overly trusting naive or idyllistic in the extreme.
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Well.
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Okay, and then our reverse interpretation is
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the page of cups reversed often indicates pain resulting
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from an unhappy relationship or family situation.
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Oh, there was kind of a family situation.
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Yeah.
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She was in the family way.
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As a result, you feel insecure, afraid to trust,
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unwilling to seek love,
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but you want to avoid more suffering, suffering.
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That's kind of a just a recurring theme here.
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Yeah.
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This card can show fear of rejection if you express
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your creative abilities or reveal your intuitive nature.
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Sometimes it means you're withdrawing into a fantasy world.
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So if you're dead and you're haunting, does that make
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you feel like you're in a fantasy world?
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Maybe kind of, right?
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Or they're trying to live in the movies.
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Oh.
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Okay, that actually makes a lot of sense.
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Maybe Halloween.
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Okay, hear me out.
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Okay.
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What if St. Helens is actually Halloween town,
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but it's like on the other side.
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So you can't see it.
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But it's there.
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Okay.
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All right, I can get with that.
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The reverse page can also represent a sensitive young person
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who feels unaccepted or unloved or who can't trust anyone.
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Mommy?
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Daddy?
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Oh my god.
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Yeah.
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You don't even trust your own eyes to know that you're seeing your parent.
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Is that, I don't know.
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In a reading about money, the reversed page advises against relying on others
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or a financial advice, or it may indicate a venture you're considering
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isn't well-founded.
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Oh, like the business.
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In the beginning, Portland.
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We sabotaged them.
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Oh, yeah, the sabotage.
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Sabotage.
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I forgot about that part.
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I was like, what are you talking about?
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Yeah.
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Sometimes this card means you're underpaid or being taken advantage of
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and need to stand up for yourself.
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Well, those cards could be for anyone.
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I mean, St. Helens is making out now though.
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All right.
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I don't think there is biggest, I don't think there is biggest Portland.
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They're not as big as Portland.
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But she do night.
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Yeah.
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14,000?
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How big is Portland?
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Should we Google it real quick?
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A lot more.
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Okay, you keep reading.
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Yeah.
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You look that up.
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I'm just curious.
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641,000.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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It's quite a bit more.
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If the reading is about your job, this card may indicate disappointments broken promises.
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Or a situation that didn't turn out the way you'd hoped.
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Oh, that is right there.
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Yeah, that is.
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I wanted a fun card, guys.
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Oh, shit, dude.
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It can also show misplaced trust.
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Maybe you've been duped or betrayed in a work related area.
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I'll say.
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Why is the coffee gone?
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Or you maybe...
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Or you may not be using your talents wisely.
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After life for Easter.
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Yeah.
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In a reading about love, the page reversed warns you to take a good hard look at a relationship.
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This card may show you repeating a pattern of heartbreak and betrayal rooted in childhood.
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Oh.
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I hope none of the same shit's going on.
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Well, maybe not current day.
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I feel like...
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I don't know, but I see some applications from aspects of the town and the story.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Perhaps you've opened your heart to the wrong person or fantasized that a romantic fling is something more serious.
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Oh, he fell in love with this trooper.
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That makes me sad, though, because she's the one who got knocked up.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's very interesting these two cards kind of go together too, because it was talking about like a heartbreak and stuff.
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And the other one has a big old heart on it.
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Yeah, it does.
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Yeah, that's interesting.
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She pretty.
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Okay.
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Sorry, I didn't have a Halloween deck.
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I forgot.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Modern witch.
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