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Ep. 17 - What're You Babbling on About? · Martyr's Row

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  John, the beloved disciple, was brother to James
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  the Great. The churches of Smyrna, Pergamos,
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  Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea, and Thyatira
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  were founded by him. From Ephesus he was ordered
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  to be sent to Rome. Where it is affirmed he was
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  cast into a cauldron of boiling oil. He escaped
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  by miracle without injury. Demotion, afterwards,
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  banished him to the Isle of Patmos, where he
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  wrote the Book of Revelation. Nerva, the successor
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  of Demotion, recalled him. He was the only apostle
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  who escaped a violent death. Hey, Paul. Hey,
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  Stephen. What's up? Good to see you again. You
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  too. I feel like it's been forever. Yeah. I mean,
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  I did the intro by myself, so. I wasn't even
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  here yet. I know. I was waiting on you to come
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  and decided to get real intimate with the camera.
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  Yeah. You know, I'm actually just going to call
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  myself out because I think it's funny. So I walked
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  here tonight to the studio. You did. And I was
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  late. to get here, because I missed my turn.
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  You were. Yes. And if that's confusing to you
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  to hear that, it's yes. It should be. So you
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  were walking when you missed your turn. Yeah.
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  You know, normally you think you're driving and
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  you're like, oh, I missed my turn. Yeah, yeah.
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  No, I was walking. Yeah. So. So for those of
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  you who don't know us or where we live in the
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  town we're in. Yeah. We don't live in New York
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  City. So it's not like. It's not particularly
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  super easy to get lost. No, there's only a handful
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  of roads you can really go down. Yeah, and every
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  block is like a quarter mile. Yeah. So it's significant.
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  Like if you miss a street, it's a while until
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  you get to the next street. And you think you'd
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  realize it. Well, the funny thing is like there's
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  two lakes and you walked around one lake. Yeah.
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  And then you went up and over to the other lake.
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  Yeah, and that's when I realized I had gone too
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  far. Yeah, like, yeah, like probably a good half
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  mile. Yeah. It might have been longer than that.
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  Actually, it probably might have been. I mean,
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  by the time you, it was probably, yeah, it was
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  probably at least a mile by the time you got
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  here. Yeah. Well, so, so the question is, what
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  were you doing? Well, I was trying to get my
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  steps in for today. Okay. And I've been, I've
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  been sitting a lot today, kind of, you know,
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  in preparation for tonight, but then also just
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  doing some other side work for people on the
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  computer. And I'm like, I need to start moving.
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  So I was like, I gotta. I meant while you were
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  walking. Oh, I was walking? Oh, I thought even
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  today, I was like, well, I can walk you through
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  it. No, what are you doing? Well, this morning
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  at it, precisely. Well, let's see. But my day
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  planner. I woke up and there was nice crispy
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  bacon already at my feet. I did not burn my foot.
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  No, actually, I like to take long, like two hour
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  walks. Okay. So I get a good five miles in or
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  so. Did you do that? This is what I'm doing now.
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  Oh, like currently? Yeah, currently. So I'm halfway
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  through my walk, technically. Okay. So Paul's
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  stopping for us. I'm stopping to record a quick
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  pod. And then he's gonna walk back home. No,
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  it's kind of like my, I kind of view it as my
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  quiet, refocused time. That makes sense. So I
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  do a lot of praying then. You kind of zone out.
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  And just kind of get lost in my thoughts. Yeah.
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  I get that. Which is nice. It's kind of like,
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  you talk about like a, well you may not talk
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  about this, but people talk about like runner's
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  high. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You do more like a
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  walker's high. Yeah, I was feeling it tonight.
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  Yeah, but it makes sense though. It's like when
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  your body is functioning like that, your brain
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  just kind of clears out. Yeah, it's pretty nice.
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  It's a good feeling. And so actually, so while
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  I was doing that, I had a thought, which I...
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  found very interesting about our martyr today,
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  John. Okay, yes, John. And so you read a list
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  of the churches that he founded. Yeah, it's pretty
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  wild. And what's interesting, so, I mean, it
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  says it in the intro, but he was the writer of
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  Revelation. He was. And in the beginning of Revelation,
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  there's seven letters that are written to seven
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  churches. Yes. And he was the founder of six
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  of those seven churches. Yeah, that's pretty
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  wild. And on top of that, the only church that
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  he didn't found, according to John Fox, was Ephesus,
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  the church in Ephesus. But He was in Ephesus
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  when he was sent out. Yeah, and interesting enough,
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  Ephesus is Asia Minor. Yeah. Which at the time
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  would have been like lower region of Turkey.
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  Yeah. Which is like in the Mesopotamian area.
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  Interesting. Asia Minor is also where he's from.
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  Oh, I didn't know that. And then he's in Patmos,
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  which is northern Turkey. Oh, that's cool. So
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  there's like all this interplay. Yeah. around
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  Ephesus. And yet he didn't found a church there.
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  He didn't. No, but that is, yeah. Who founded
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  Ephesus? Maybe I shouldn't ask that question.
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  I'm not sure, because I don't know the answer
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  to it. Okay. I guess you can ask it. I want to
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  say Luke, but that's not true. It's just not
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  true. It's just not true. It could be cool. If
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  you know, tell us. Please tell us. We'll find
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  out. We could find out pretty quickly with our
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  phones, but. Where's the fun in that? Yeah, it's
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  not. Let us know. So I thought that was kind
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  of cool. And also, another point that John Fox
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  brings out is that he was the only one to not
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  get brutally murdered. Yeah, that is pretty wild.
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  I was like, that's actually kind of fascinating.
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  But he was brutalized. Was he, though? Because
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  he came out undamaged, he says. He was thrown
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  into a... pot of boiling oil. Yeah, it's a little
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  bit Shadrach Meshach. Yeah. Abednego. Abednego.
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  Abednego. Abednego. I forgot what their pre -slave
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  names were. Oh, yeah. They're Jewish names. Yeah.
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  Isn't that sad that that's the ones we know them
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  by? Yeah. It's kind of an interesting idea to
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  me. Abednego. It's just where the in is. Abednego.
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  Yeah, it's tough. Yeah. Yeah, there's that new
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  song that has that in the lyric. It's like no
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  one's ever singing that correctly. That's cruel.
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  Yeah, but no, that is actually really interesting.
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  It also like kind of brings that home and going
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  like, I don't know that I knew that. Did you
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  know that? Yeah, I didn't. So like, where would
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  we have known that? Right. That's the thing is
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  like - I feel like that has to come from eyewitnesses.
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  Well or tradition because John Fox is not like
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  he's John Fox is way too far removed from yeah
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  So it's like originally it's like that must have
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  been an idea that came and was passed down Yeah,
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  then to him that's your tradition and we've talked
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  about that like with John Fox in the 1500s writing
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  this He's writing from tradition and understanding.
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  He's collecting all of this data and putting
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  it all together in one concise book and record.
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  So because he's doing that, he's pulling from
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  things that we may not even really know to look
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  at. I don't know that I've ever thought. It might
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  be locked in the Vatican at this point. Yeah,
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  probably. Well, and we've talked about that before,
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  but John Fox was a Protestant. Yes. So he's not
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  Catholic. I think on an earlier episode, I said
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  he had access to the Vatican archives. I mean,
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  he could have. But maybe. I don't know, though,
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  because... That's a little too close to the Reformation.
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  You're like, get out. They might have killed,
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  they might have put him in boiling water. There
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  was more of that tradition and knowledge that
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  they would have known just from being a part
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  of it for so long. That's true. Yeah, and then
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  so for us now, since we're removed from a lot
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  of that, we don't have that same information.
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  Yeah, true. Or access to it. But the other interesting
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  thing, and this will apply down there, here's
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  some foreshadowing. Ooh, I like that. I do like
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  foreshadowing. So, the one cool thing about John
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  - I'm a big fan of foreshadowing. Are you a big
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  - is that foreshadowing? Are you foreshadowing
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  your excitement? I don't know, I'm getting lost
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  in the shadow. There are four shadows. Three,
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  four, five shadows? How many shadows are there?
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  Yikes. One, two, there's only four. I counted
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  them. Shouldn't there be three shadows? No, because
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  you have to foreshadow. Yeah, but the three shadows,
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  because it came before, but three shadows would
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  be more complete. Four is a little more even.
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  Triune. The triune shadow. So foreshadowing is
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  not of God. Buh buh buh buh buh. Buh buh buh
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  buh. Superman. Surprise. Happy birthday to you.
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  We're going to get fired now. Viewer. We're in
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  that public domain now. It is now. Yeah. Public
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  domain. The sisters do not own it anymore. Do
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  you know about that? Yeah. OK. Because wasn't
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  it two sisters that wrote it? Yeah. And then
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  when they died, it went into a trust. Yeah. So
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  it was like, they wrote it. And then it went
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  into a trust for another, I think, 70 to 75 years.
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  That's crazy. So that's an interesting concept,
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  though. So like, if you wrote something, it's
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  your intellectual property for 75 years. Right.
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  And then it's anyone's property. And then anyone
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  owns it. Yeah. It's weird that there's like a
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  limit of like, all right, now this is everyone's.
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  It's so strange. Yeah, it's kind of weird. There's
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  like... But it also assumes that, like, what
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  happens if you're five when you write it? Oh,
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  yeah, you won't even last your whole lifetime.
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  No, no, it would. I'm saying, like, so then you're
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  80, and now it's public domain. Yeah. Which I
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  think they're just assuming you're going to be
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  18. Probably. Like, you won't make it that far.
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  Yeah. But that is an interesting idea. Yeah.
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  It's funny, too, you don't think about, like,
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  the song Happy Birthday when it's like... Everybody
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  knows that song. Yeah, it's the most one of the
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  most popular songs in the world. Yeah, and they
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  just wrote it But if you've never heard this
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  discussion before the interesting thing about
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  it and I feel like it's people have talked about
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  it enough mmm, but so I won't belabor the point
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  but But I won't belay the birthday boy. Oh Belated
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  birthday birthday point No, the interesting thing
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  about that is like, think about any TV show or
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  movie that you pretty much have ever watched.
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  None of them sing Happy Birthday. So there's
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  birthday scenes, like I don't know why the first,
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  wait, what's the first birthday scene that pops
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  into your head? Movie or TV show? This is always
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  interesting. I can picture it. But I can't remember
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  which movie it is. Is it your family or was it
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  on the TV? No, it was on the TV. It was on the
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  TV. Oh wait, that was my fifth birthday. But
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  it was like a home video recording. Was it like
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  a... Oh, I can't think of what movie it is. Not
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  The Hunger Games, The Younger Years? No, I think...
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  Wait, what's that show called? I can think of
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  it because it's one of those like... The Wonder
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  Years. The Wonder, yeah. You don't know that
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  show? No, I do. Not the new one, the old one.
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  Yeah, the Ridge. The Ridge. Was it a Midwest
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  setting? Like the middle? Malcolm in the Middle?
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  Yeah, it was something like that. Okay. But it
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  was like someone rewatching like a home video.
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  Was it in a movie? Yeah. Was it scary? I don't
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  think so. Okay, good. Because the one that pops
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  into my head, maybe what you're talking about
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  is Liar Liar. So there's a scene at the beginning
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  of liar liar where the kid Wishes that his dad
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  can't lie. Oh, actually that might be it and
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  it's his birthday party that might be it That
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  would be crazy Cuz he's late to the birthday
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  party and he comes in yeah, and then that's what
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  sets off the whole movie that is a great movie
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  It's a great movie That movie is wild. That's
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  a great movie. I always like go back to the like
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  the bathroom scene He's just throwing himself
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  all over them. Yeah. What are you doing? Jim
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  Carrey what a character. Yeah, it's classic.
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  Yeah, anyway, so I was gonna say okay I think
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  it was cool about happy birthday. I can't remember
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  how we got on that. I don't either The martyr,
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  John. Yes, okay. Wow, that was a deep rabbit
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  trail. I don't know how we got there, I forgot.
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  I don't either. But you guys know. They probably
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  don't either. I'm not gonna rewind. That'll be
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  the most replayed part. How did they get on this?
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  Only one person's gonna do that. It's true. It'll
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  be us. And then they're not gonna see the rest
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  of it. That's true. We'll do it together. Like,
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  wait, hold on. No, no, on the same screen. We're
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  watching. We watch every episode together on
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  our phones. After we record it. We just sit and
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  watch it together. No, we wait for release day.
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  Popcorn. At 4am. At 4am. But no, so... So John.
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  John. You know what's funny? John Paul. John
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  Paul. John Paul. It's funny because he had to
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  bring up... James the Great again, just to rub
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  it in everyone's faces So John he was present
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  the day of Pentecost he was and why is that significant?
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  Why is that interesting? He was present foreshadowing
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  that's how we did it foreshadowing Four and then
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  three and then two and then happy birthday It
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  still doesn't make sense It did at the time Yeah,
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  so I don't know Pentecost is what's cool about
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  that is and we've talked about this on the podcast
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  before It's that we don't have to do it again.
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  Okay, we're done. I'm just kidding It does it
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  for us we can't go back it's we're done. Okay,
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  so for shadowing song So because it's a reversal
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  from the splitting of nations and the separation
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  of people by speech. They have Pentecost. They
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  have Pentecost. That John is present for. Yes.
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  Yes. But it's actually, Pentecost is a reversal
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  of that separation that happened. Yes. Back in
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  Babel, back in Deuteronomy 32. Yes. And this
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  is a time where now everyone is able to understand
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  one another again. Right. Because of the Holy
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  Spirit coming down upon people. Yeah. And it's
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  like, I think that's cool of a tie -in for what
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  we're going to end up. on later, but also the
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  fact that it's like John was, John is right there
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  in that moment. And it's like, I think that's
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  what's so cool about it. So it's like, he's part
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  of this extremely historic event within Christianity.
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  Cause that's even when we see this huge boom
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  and uptick in people that start to follow Christ.
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  Cause that was such a huge expression, a huge
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  moment to see the Holy Spirit coming down upon
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  people. Yeah, that is cool. Yeah, John's... I
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  want to say he's like a titan, but that would
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  be the wrong category That would mean he's a
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  man of no Wrong category We haven't done an episode
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  on Titans yet. No, that's a little happen. We
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  keep hinting at it though. We do but he's John
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  awesome guy. Yeah, okay. So a little foreshadowing
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  to What might happen after the song you ready
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  for a song Paul? I'm ready Paul John Paul John
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  Paul you ready for a song three two one All right
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  Paul you have a song for us I have a song for
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  I'm excited me too. I feel like I Feel like lately
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  it's been like you're like, hey, I've got some
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  lyrics here you play. Oh, yeah, and I'm like,
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  I need a That's true something now. I was like,
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  I feel like I haven't brought any lyrics to us
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  in a while Yeah, so you you inspired me last
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  week. Okay Where you're like, let me just write
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  a bunch of words. Yeah, try to fit them in. Yeah,
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  I was like, that's kind of cool And then I like
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  the idea of making it topical for some of the
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  stuff. So I was like, how do I do that Paul -style?
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  Yeah, I like that. Which also means let me take
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  the lyrics and try to tell a story, but do it
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  in a very obscure poetic way as well. So that's
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  what I tried to do. That's cool. So we're going
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  to see how it plays out. Yeah, and there's a
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  bunch of different ways of songwriting. But I
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  feel like for the purpose of what we're doing,
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  it actually helps to kind of just write out a
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  bunch of lyrics. and just write a bunch of, kind
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  of storytelling, write a bunch of words that
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  could be sung. And then if you have a hundred
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  words, you just kind of start playing. Just try
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  to break it up. Start singing a melody and jump
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  from word to word. And eventually you kind of
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  land on something. It's kind of cool. Kind of
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  put a puzzle together. That's a good way to try
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  and song write. If you're trying to be a songwriter
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  or try to write songs or you just want to do
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  it for fun, that's a good way to start doing
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  it, is just write. write a bunch of words down
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  or write a story and then try to jump through
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  the story with words that seem cohesive or lock
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  in with each other. Yeah, which I love that.
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  In order to do that, you need a bunch of words.
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  So like, instead of trying to like, like if you're,
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  and some people are, and there's different ways
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  of approaching it and depending on how you're
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  writing it, who you're writing with and what
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  it's for, you can just be inspired by the music
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  side of it. but if the goal is to have something
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  kind of quick, it's good to write down what's
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  the main idea. And I feel like a good example
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  that I always think of in that vein is Paul Simon,
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  50 Ways to Leave Your Lover, where it's like
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  the whole verses are just him telling you a story.
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  He's not even really trying to rhyme anything.
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  He's just like, let me just tell you what happened.
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  And then the chorus is just... Let me make these
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  really cheesy rhymes though. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
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  yeah, yeah. I mean, he's a good example of just
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  like a lot of lyric content. Yeah, he's phrasing
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  is crazy. Yeah. That's cool. All right, so you
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  got a song for us? Anyway, yeah, let's see how
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  this goes. I almost want to sit on this side,
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  like be friends with the people. You're with
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  them now. Yeah. Well, so I wrote, I've got two
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  verses in a chorus. Cool. And if you're feeling
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  something. Oh, you jump it if you want to you're
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  great. I feel like that's you're great. It's
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  like yeah, I got something Well, it's like jumping
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  to an idea, but I mean you'll have to hear it
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  first. Yeah, let's do it And so it's funny cuz
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  I have them. We're recording with my phone right
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  now video wise We are and I wrote all these down
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  on my phone. So now I'm hoping that I can remember
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  all these words Okay, so but it'll evolve from
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  there it will evolve yeah, okay We got audio?
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  Yeah, we're good. Sweet. Alright, here we go.
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  Oh, I got it now. But we've fallen behind from
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  where we began. Radios and Netflix shows, we
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  all know where this part goes. We've lost the
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  plot and gone to sleep. We follow the herd like
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  sand slashing. Are we myth or are we more? Are
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  we human, are we more? A soul colliding with
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  the body We're part of more than we knew Are
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  we myth or are we more? Are we human? Are we
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  more than what we knew? A soul colliding with
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  the body That's what I have. I love that dude.
• 21:28
  Sweet, thank you. So I think that what we should
• 21:31
  do is we should just do like a C. I hate saying
• 21:37
  it like this, like a C section. We should do
• 21:41
  a C section and rip the baby out. That's an imagery.
• 21:48
  You're welcome. No, I think what we should do
• 21:52
  is we should, in true fashion, which I feel like
• 21:56
  this is reminding me of several different things.
• 22:01
  But I sent you a song, actually, a few days ago,
• 22:05
  and where you're sitting is kind of reminding
• 22:10
  me of that song. And you know what's funny? It
• 22:12
  may have subconsciously just filtered into my
• 22:15
  brain. Yeah, if you know the band Weetus from
• 22:19
  the late 90s, that's what you just reminded me
• 22:22
  of. If you don't know what we're talking about,
• 22:34
  it's fine. Don't look it up. We know what we're
• 22:38
  talking about. And if you do, you're enjoying
• 22:41
  it. If you know what that breath is. Yeah, so
• 22:48
  I think what we should do then, in like true
• 22:49
  fashion of the feel of this, is do everything
• 22:52
  you just did, and then take a quick break like
• 22:55
  you just did, and then jump back into your thing,
• 22:58
  and then we can just do like a vocalizing. Like
• 23:04
  an instrumental break with like a vocalizing.
• 23:06
  That's like a little yodeling a little bit. You
• 23:10
  know what I mean? I think so. Okay. Do you want
• 23:12
  to take the lead on that? I'll take the break.
• 23:14
  Okay, okay, okay. And then when I'm done with
• 23:16
  the break, jump back into your hook. Okay, I
• 23:19
  can do that. Yeah. Let's get a clean start. Clean.
• 23:35
  Sticks and dirt and denim jeans. Edison's light
• 23:39
  and Franklin's key. We've developed beyond the
• 23:43
  basic man. But we've fallen behind from where
• 23:49
  we began. T .V .Os and Netflix shows, we all
• 23:56
  know where this point goes. We've lost the plot,
• 24:00
  gone to sleep. Like senseless you Are we myth
• 24:10
  or are we more Are we human, are we more Than
• 24:15
  what we knew A soul colliding with the body We're
• 24:24
  part of more than we knew Are we myth or are
• 24:30
  we more Are we human, are we more Than what we
• 24:35
  knew The soul colliding with the body We're part
• 24:44
  of So what we knew Soul colliding with the body
• 25:53
  Were part of more than we knew So martyrs rose
• 26:01
  where we go To seek the Lord with this show So
• 26:09
  here we go three two one All right So I like
• 26:18
  the energy of this I don't suppose the walk or
• 26:22
  what but I'm like, I'm energized tonight I know,
• 26:24
  you know, it's funny like there is this there
• 26:27
  there's something that I've learned that I Literally
• 26:30
  can be in the afternoon and be like I could fully
• 26:33
  lay down and take a nap right now Yeah, and then
• 26:36
  I if I don't feel like I'm about to be sick then
• 26:41
  I'll like and what I mean by that is like My
• 26:43
  body is too fatigued. That I need to actually
• 26:48
  lay down. I mean like I'm about to throw up or
• 26:50
  something. Every day you're on the verge of being
• 26:52
  like, am I gonna throw up today? It's like 2
• 26:56
  .30, 3 o 'clock, am I gonna throw up now? Someone
• 26:58
  threw up in the living room. Hey wife and kids,
• 27:04
  someone threw up in the living room. Who did
• 27:06
  it? I was gonna say mom, but I don't live with
• 27:10
  my mom. Hey, uh, hey, uh other people that I
• 27:16
  also help take care of Someone throw up in the
• 27:19
  living room. Don't fool up over there. What are
• 27:21
  we doing dude? Can someone clean it up for me?
• 27:23
  So anyways I Don't know just it's fun to make
• 27:28
  voices. Yeah, it is. I see why people do it Like
• 27:32
  everybody else in the whole world other Americans
• 27:34
  everybody Except for I don't have to pretend
• 27:39
  to make this accent. This is the one I'm stuck
• 27:42
  with. Yeah, you have to listen to this one. No,
• 27:46
  so what I've learned is if I actually just go
• 27:49
  out and run and go for a run, then I come back
• 27:54
  and it's like, by the time it's after dinner...
• 27:59
  and it's like eight o 'clock, I'm like, how do
• 28:00
  I still have energy? Like where did that come
• 28:04
  from? Because at around three o 'clock, I definitely
• 28:09
  could have taken like a two hour nap. And then
• 28:12
  I went for a run instead. And then I feel great.
• 28:18
  Yeah, I don't know what's going on. It's the
• 28:22
  only way we can do these four a .m. podcasts.
• 28:24
  Just gotta run at 3pm. Did we just have too much
• 28:26
  energy? So for the next 12 hours. I know. It's
• 28:30
  pretty wild. Yeah. I don't know how we do it.
• 28:33
  No. But here we are. I like the energy of it.
• 28:36
  I've got a question for you today. Tonight. This
• 28:38
  evening. This morning. I'll do every song but...
• 28:46
  How many buzz do you do? What are we doing? Anyways,
• 29:05
  I have a question for you, but I need a second
• 29:08
  to set it up. Are we foreshadowing? Three four
• 29:12
  five shadowing? You need a second to set it up?
• 29:19
  Just one second. Okay. I'm ready. Here we go.
• 29:24
  Okay, so we like words on this show. Yeah, we
• 29:28
  do. We're word people. We like to play with them.
• 29:31
  Yeah. And so, I mean, in a lot of that, I mean,
• 29:34
  obviously, it revolves around language. We've
• 29:37
  talked... Makes sense. Ad nauseum, which is why
• 29:40
  you get a puke every day at three. Oh, that does
• 29:43
  make sense. Okay, I'm just sick of myself. By
• 29:47
  the middle of the day I'm so sick of myself I
• 29:49
  have to throw up. So sick of all these words.
• 29:54
  Who cares? Oh I do. Let me go for a run. Hey
• 29:58
  guys. I gotta clear my head of all these words.
• 30:02
  So language. Language. We love words. Love words.
• 30:06
  Etymology. This is gonna be a giggly episode.
• 30:12
  It will be, yeah. So have you seen, they've been
• 30:16
  popular, at least in my algorithm. The brosphere?
• 30:20
  You're not on Instagram, nevermind. You might
• 30:21
  see it on YouTube shorts, though, if you watch
• 30:24
  those. Okay. Yeah, I'm not on Instagram, only
• 30:26
  on YouTube shorts. Only YouTube shorts. No YouTube
• 30:30
  longs. Facebook boomer. I'm not on Facebook.
• 30:33
  I know you're not. And I'm actually really jealous,
• 30:35
  because I love that. I hate Facebook. I don't
• 30:37
  know why I can't... I think it's because I've,
• 30:39
  I don't know, that's not important. Facebook
• 30:41
  is like a website for a company that no one ever
• 30:46
  policed. So they just kept adding things. Yeah,
• 30:49
  it's true. It's like, how many things can we
• 30:50
  add to one page? But they get rid of Farmville,
• 30:53
  so like, what's the point? Wasn't that like 30
• 30:55
  years ago? Yeah. And Facebook's not even that
• 31:01
  old. No. It's amazing what they can do. Oh man.
• 31:05
  technology man yeah um so in your algorithm have
• 31:08
  you seen have you seen these videos the bro we
• 31:10
  established that in an early episode but have
• 31:17
  you seen these videos where there'll be like
• 31:19
  it'll be like six different squares all the same
• 31:24
  color except for one of them is a different shade
• 31:26
  i can imagine it have you seen those videos jackson
• 31:29
  pollock yeah And so it's like there's a time
• 31:33
  it's like 10 seconds and you've got to choose
• 31:35
  Okay, which one of these squares is the the different
• 31:38
  one? I have not seen this you haven't seen these
• 31:40
  now. Have you guys seen? The only one there's
• 31:43
  one right here dream this Okay, so let me explain
• 31:46
  it I like I like making Paul think should I edit
• 31:51
  something in here? And then he just doesn't or
• 31:54
  he does and just way over does it? I'm like,
• 31:58
  so I've been on this episode for like two weeks.
• 32:00
  Just had to blur out your left finger. And I'm
• 32:02
  like, I was just joking about that. Too bad.
• 32:07
  I hit it too hard. We're gonna be three weeks
• 32:09
  late on this episode. Yeah, we're way behind
• 32:11
  schedule. Your edit demands are way too high.
• 32:14
  Yeah, that's all right. So there's squares that
• 32:17
  you see on a screen. Okay, six of them. Six of
• 32:19
  them. And only one is a different color? Mm -hmm.
• 32:21
  But it's not obvious, obviously. Well, that's...
• 32:24
  That's part of the question. So depending on,
• 32:27
  because a lot of times you'll see for color blindness
• 32:29
  test, one of them will be red and the other ones
• 32:32
  are green. And it's like, which one's a different
• 32:34
  color? And you're like, oh, that one. If you're
• 32:36
  color blind, you don't know. So it'd be stuff
• 32:39
  like that. That seems psychological. But then
• 32:40
  other times, there will be like, OK, they're
• 32:43
  all green. And this one's a slightly different
• 32:46
  shade of green. or a different shade of blue
• 32:48
  and it gets hard like the the hues get closer
• 32:51
  and closer okay and so it's basically like how
• 32:54
  far can you see the difference before you can't
• 32:57
  perceive it or it takes you too long to perceive
• 32:59
  it so are you like swiping it's like in a video
• 33:03
  so it'll count down yeah yeah how old am i not
• 33:07
  old enough to be on facebook this isn't moving
• 33:09
  pictures Is I'm in like this weird gap where
• 33:13
  I'm like not old enough to be on social media,
• 33:16
  but too old to be on social media It's like a
• 33:21
  weird gap Yeah, I'm like, I don't care but I'm
• 33:28
  also older than most people that do care But
• 33:31
  then the people older than me have social media
• 33:34
  like the original social media. Yeah, they just
• 33:36
  hung on They didn't abandon shit. I feel like
• 33:39
  this is my second office reference. And if you
• 33:43
  caught the first one, tell me now. This is the
• 33:46
  second one. Write it in the comments. Remember
• 33:48
  when Creed, it's in the first season, Creed wants
• 33:51
  to, or second season I think, Creed wants to
• 33:54
  have a blog. So Ryan opens a Word document. and
• 33:59
  just puts a URL at the top of the Word document.
• 34:02
  And then Creed opens it up every day and writes
• 34:04
  these crazy stories in this Word document. And
• 34:09
  he thinks he's publishing it, but he's not. He's
• 34:11
  just saving the Word document. And so Ryan every
• 34:14
  once in a while will open it up and read the
• 34:15
  stories. That's amazing. He's like... I don't
• 34:18
  remember that one. And the whole premise is like,
• 34:20
  he's like, I don't want the world to get a hold
• 34:23
  of this information. I also love that he's...
• 34:27
  playing himself in the show. Like, it's so good.
• 34:30
  Yeah, that's true. Yeah, he's writing it and,
• 34:32
  oh, Creed. Creed. Yeah. Yeah, Creed was never
• 34:35
  supposed to be in the show. He was supposed to
• 34:38
  be background, yeah. Oh, that didn't play out.
• 34:42
  No, I think he interjected in the first season,
• 34:46
  and then they just kept him going. It's incredible.
• 34:48
  There's a couple of people like that on The Office,
• 34:50
  but yeah. That's a different podcast, Office
• 34:53
  Ladies. Shout out, Office Ladies. Thanks, Office
• 34:55
  Ladies. What is it? You're the back of the paper
• 34:59
  company. Jenna Fisher and the accountant that
• 35:03
  marries Dwight. Oh, yeah. I know her name in
• 35:08
  the show. It's the same. Oh, Angela? Angela.
• 35:11
  Yeah. Angela Johnson. Hey. Angela Johnson? I
• 35:14
  think that's a stand -up comedian. Anyways. Anyway,
• 35:18
  shout out to you guys. Shout out office ladies.
• 35:19
  Leave us a like and a comment. Come on the podcast.
• 35:22
  We can make office references. We can do it.
• 35:26
  We've seen it. I've seen it a couple times. Anyway,
• 35:30
  language for this show. That was more of an intro
• 35:35
  segment. Anyways. Anyways. Language. Language.
• 35:42
  So here's what's interesting. So, language actually
• 35:46
  affects how we perceive color. What? And so here...
• 35:51
  Oh, I thought about this. Yeah, so here's what's
• 35:53
  interesting. Without social media, I thought
• 35:55
  about this. There's the, hopefully I'm saying
• 35:57
  this right, the Himba people. Himba? Of Namibia,
• 36:02
  in Africa. Timon and Himba? Yes, Timon and Himba.
• 36:06
  They have more words for the color green, but
• 36:09
  less words for the color blue than we do in English.
• 36:12
  I like where you're going with this. They're
• 36:15
  able to distinguish distinguish distinguish words
• 36:19
  think about swallowing up on the cup Able to
• 36:23
  distinguish shades of green faster than we can
• 36:26
  but they're slower at distinguishing shades of
• 36:28
  blue Because they've defined a deeper spectrum.
• 36:33
  Yes. Oh That's really interesting. And here's
• 36:36
  what's also interesting is in Russia They have
• 36:38
  a set they have separate words for light blue
• 36:40
  and for dark blue Okay. So they're actually much
• 36:43
  better at identifying. Why don't they just say
• 36:44
  light or dark? It's not the same. So they're
• 36:50
  actually better at distinguishing shades of blue
• 36:52
  than we are. Oh, so what you're telling me is
• 36:55
  that the dumb American English language has not
• 37:00
  just dumbed down the way we talk to each other
• 37:03
  and the way we sound. The way we look at color.
• 37:05
  But has also distorted our visual perspective
• 37:08
  of the world. Isn't that interesting? it's actually
• 37:11
  given us less. Every language has, so when we
• 37:13
  look at the Himba people, they can't see the
• 37:16
  color blue as well as we can, or see the differences
• 37:20
  in blue. And so here's another interesting theory
• 37:23
  that, I didn't write this down or look into this,
• 37:25
  but I've heard this, and it was the idea that
• 37:28
  back in ancient times, they didn't have a word
• 37:33
  for the color blue, and they weren't able to
• 37:35
  actually see the color blue because of that.
• 37:38
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, that's a strange
• 37:40
  idea. Cause even when they describe like waters
• 37:43
  and stuff, it's colors like green. Right. It's
• 37:47
  shaded of green. Yeah. And the truth is, is like
• 37:49
  the ocean, like more salt water stuff, especially
• 37:53
  deeper bodies of water. It is more green. It
• 37:55
  is more green. Yeah. And it's like deeper and
• 37:58
  darker shades of green. Yeah. But that's interesting
• 38:01
  though. Cause then, and then the premise of like
• 38:05
  the sky is color is reflecting the waters, then
• 38:11
  their sky would make sense to be green as well.
• 38:14
  Right. But does that - It's a weird idea, right?
• 38:17
  Do they have less fresh water? Is that the whole
• 38:19
  thing? I don't know. Like, I don't know. Because
• 38:21
  we literally live in a town named after lakes.
• 38:24
  That's true. And like, the thing is, is like,
• 38:27
  maybe that, I don't know. But isn't that a strange
• 38:30
  idea though? It is. Where it's like, we can perceive
• 38:32
  things differently based on our language. And
• 38:36
  so carrying that even further, I mean, it even
• 38:40
  affects the way we look at time, where there
• 38:43
  are certain cultures, so for English speakers,
• 38:46
  we view time as left to right. But in - Because
• 38:50
  that's how we read. Yeah. But in China, they
• 38:52
  view time as up and down. Because that's how
• 38:55
  they read. Yeah, it's true. And then, I'm trying
• 39:00
  which culture it is. There's another one, they
• 39:02
  actually view, I think it's another tribe, they
• 39:05
  actually view time as forward and backward, where
• 39:09
  the past is actually forward and the future is
• 39:13
  backwards. And the reason for that is because
• 39:15
  the past is known, so you can see the past, but
• 39:20
  the future's unknown, so it's a mystery, it's
• 39:22
  behind you. So the visual is that they're walking
• 39:25
  backwards into the future. Yeah. Looking back
• 39:29
  on the past. With the view of the past. That's
• 39:31
  fascinating. Because that affects the way we
• 39:34
  perceive time and how we take risk because we're
• 39:38
  viewing everything so differently. So the future's
• 39:40
  behind us because we haven't seen it. It's weird,
• 39:43
  isn't it? Because our eyes face forward to the
• 39:45
  past that we've seen. So that's interesting because
• 39:50
  it means that every culture... the way that they
• 39:56
  do things differently is consistent within the
• 39:58
  culture. Because I feel like that's the whole
• 40:01
  thing of like, even something as simple as like
• 40:04
  the metric system. So like, when we go like,
• 40:09
  I don't even, honestly I don't even know what
• 40:11
  to compare. Like meter, is it meters to yards?
• 40:17
  Like meters to feet is what people would normally
• 40:19
  do. Okay, that makes sense, but like I don't
• 40:22
  ever. Like, I don't even know, like, so even
• 40:25
  that comparison is like, for us we're like, yeah,
• 40:28
  why would we, like, meters are so dumb. Well,
• 40:31
  I think the reason why we would say that is because
• 40:33
  - We don't think that way. Right, because everything
• 40:37
  else that we use, all of our systems, all line
• 40:41
  up with that, with the measurements of inches
• 40:44
  and feet. So it's like, yeah, there is a great
• 40:48
  - It's interesting. There is a great, that's
• 40:51
  the whole George Washington bit, the Nate Bargatze
• 40:53
  George Washington bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:55
  That's such a good bit. Yeah, that is one you
• 40:58
  should go watch because it's funny. He's funny.
• 41:00
  Well, then I have a third one as well here that
• 41:02
  I wanted to point out, and that's, oh, actually,
• 41:06
  there's two more I have. OK. So one of them,
• 41:08
  it also changes how we view and describe objects.
• 41:12
  So, for example, in German, the word bridge is
• 41:17
  considered feminine in the feminine case um because
• 41:21
  it's laying down and i don't know i felt like
• 41:24
  there had to be a punch line there or something
• 41:26
  and so only because you set it up as german i
• 41:30
  guess so it felt like i needed to like make it
• 41:32
  a punch line i don't know but london bridge that
• 41:34
  one's falling down but men also lay down i'm
• 41:36
  not sure yeah i don't know i don't even know
• 41:42
  where to take well like women serving like they
• 41:46
  laid i don't know You're gonna make this question
• 41:48
  I have for you today. It's making this so much
• 41:50
  better, I love it. So they, because they view
• 41:55
  it as feminine, they would describe a bridge
• 41:57
  as elegant and graceful. But in Spanish, it's
• 42:02
  a masculine word. And so they'd be more likely
• 42:05
  to describe a bridge as strong and sturdy. Okay,
• 42:09
  which is closer to how we would do it. Yeah.
• 42:12
  How would you describe bridge? I feel like for
• 42:15
  me, it depends. I've never thought about even
• 42:17
  describing one. Personally, I like mine over
• 42:19
  troubled water. That was good. That was good.
• 42:30
  I was hoping that was gonna work out. That was
• 42:31
  good. I was trying to get the timing. That's
• 42:36
  such a good callback. We're constantly talking
• 42:38
  about Simon and Garfunkel. Yeah. But is that
• 42:40
  Paul Simon? Okay, then why would we talk about
• 42:43
  Simon and Garfunkel? Because it's Paul Simon
• 42:45
  If you're wondering same people well then before
• 42:51
  we get to the point I have one more I wanted
• 42:52
  to share another interesting thing of how language
• 42:54
  affects our Experience in the world gotcha. It's
• 42:57
  also how we experience emotion Okay, and we've
• 43:01
  kind of talked about this before a little bit
• 43:03
  but so I'm gonna try to pronounce don't you talk
• 43:06
  about my emotions? Cuz I don't know how to Don't
• 43:13
  know my bridge or my lady Sturdy or graceful
• 43:19
  I'm laying down. That's the southern question.
• 43:26
  I don't know in my bridge or my lady This country's
• 43:31
  going downhill Well in German they have a word
• 43:37
  schadenfrue Maybe, maybe that's how you say it.
• 43:40
  And it means it's the joy of seeing someone fail.
• 43:46
  That's German? That's their word to describe
• 43:48
  that feeling. The joy you feel when you see somebody
• 43:51
  fail. Man, we need a word for that. I know, right?
• 43:54
  Actually, the Germans have a lot of words for
• 43:56
  emotions that we have no word for. There's another
• 43:59
  one at Sisu in Finnish, which means extraordinary
• 44:02
  determination in the face of hardship. And the
• 44:05
  third one I have written here is... Tosca, which
• 44:08
  is Russian, means a deep melancholic longing.
• 44:15
  When you think about that, it's like, I think
• 44:18
  so. But it's cool. It's like, yeah, here are
• 44:21
  words that we actually don't have, concepts we
• 44:25
  don't have words for. So it's like, it's hard
• 44:29
  for us to express those emotions and understand
• 44:31
  them because we don't have language for it. That's
• 44:34
  a good point. And so it's like, language really
• 44:37
  does affect the way we experience, how we interact,
• 44:39
  how we view things, and how we think about things.
• 44:42
  Yeah, that's wild. And how we plan for things.
• 44:44
  So it shapes even the color spectrum that we're
• 44:46
  able to perceive with our eyes. Yeah. And it
• 44:48
  also affects the range of emotions that we have
• 44:52
  because of what we can and can't articulate.
• 44:55
  Yeah, yeah. That's wild. So my question for you.
• 44:58
  Okay. What are you babbling on about? Honestly?
• 45:11
  I'm just trying to figure out if a bridge is
• 45:12
  feminine and should I walk on it? I told you
• 45:13
  it was a silly one. Yeah, is that considered
• 45:16
  like... Yeah, is it shameful? Is that shameful?
• 45:19
  Don't walk on a woman. No, don't. That's... Don't
• 45:21
  walk on a woman. They ain't no object. Yeah.
• 45:27
  I like that view though, that a bridge is graceful.
• 45:30
  Isn't that cool? That it's somewhat delicate.
• 45:33
  Yeah. Which is interesting for me. It's a humble
• 45:37
  way to approach it. Because when I think of like
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  the Golden Gate Bridge, I would consider that
• 45:41
  more graceful and beautiful. Yeah, but I feel
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  like as soon as you say that, I think more about
• 45:47
  the weather around it than the bridge itself.
• 45:51
  Interesting. So like I'm thinking more about
• 45:54
  the images of the clouds and like wind going
• 45:57
  through it Yeah, it kind of paints the full scene,
• 46:00
  but it's not the thing itself, right? Yeah, that's
• 46:03
  interesting. That's that's actually pretty fascinating.
• 46:06
  So I think there's and Yeah, I like that. So
• 46:10
  it's like this the ability to articulate things
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  so I Am now I'm just babbling Paul help me. Well,
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  and it's like are they becoming ghosts and all
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  of a sudden we're wearing suits doing a babble
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  we're trying to understand. Absolutely. So babble.
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  Well, and so because of our conversation about
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  myths that we've. that's been ongoing. Yeah,
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  honestly, I'm lost at this point. I don't know
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  when we started it. And I don't know when we're
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  account with anybody Okay babble babble what
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  was I talking babble babble um I've got my intro
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  you asked me why you were babbling Oh yeah. Know
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  why I was babbling. Why are you? And then I took
• 50:35
  you on a rabbit trail of babbling. For a long
• 50:37
  time, honestly. It's pretty good. At this point,
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  I think everyone understands where we are. This
• 50:41
  is the least watched section now. No, this might
• 50:45
  be our highest viewed episode. It very well could
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  be. It could. This is making my nose run from
• 50:49
  laughing. Babble. Why are you babbling, Paul?
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  I lost my plot. I lost the plot. I lost the plot.
• 51:03
  Liar, liar. Oh, myths. Yeah. Myth. There we are.
• 51:10
  We've been in myths so long, you don't know where
• 51:12
  we are. We lost it. Well, so it's interesting
• 51:15
  when we look at the idea of language and how
• 51:19
  different languages shape how we experience the
• 51:21
  world. Yeah. And how we interact with it. Sure.
• 51:26
  And so... the differences that we've been seeing
• 51:28
  in these myths, but also the similarities, I
• 51:31
  think we can, the differences could in some ways
• 51:35
  be explained by the fact that language changes.
• 51:38
  And so what is important or the details people
• 51:41
  pay attention to is changing because their language
• 51:45
  to interpret what is happening has changed. I
• 51:48
  see what you're saying. So like as time goes
• 51:50
  on and as people, oral tradition, telling stories
• 51:53
  from generation to generation. Even how the Bible
• 51:56
  talks about that, like, we'll speak of your goodness
• 51:58
  from generation to generation. Well, from generation
• 52:02
  to generation, they might be going from Hebrew
• 52:04
  to Aramaic to Greek. You know what I mean? Yeah,
• 52:09
  absolutely. What's after Greek? Latin. Sure.
• 52:12
  Sure. If you will. If you will. King James Bible.
• 52:18
  And then American English. It goes from Latin
• 52:20
  to American English. Yeah. Old English, middle
• 52:23
  ages, dark times, plagues. Yeah. To good times.
• 52:27
  Yeah. Maybe. King James. King James. And then...
• 52:31
  King James only. And then the New Jerusalem,
• 52:34
  which is North America, the United States. It's
• 52:37
  the promised land. Yikes. The amber waves of
• 52:41
  grain. The sea, the shining sea. Which may be
• 52:44
  green. Huh. Uh -oh. Does it say blue in that?
• 52:49
  Let's not sing this song. I don't think it describes
• 52:51
  the color. Okay. Man. Shining. Shining. Interesting.
• 52:55
  C to shining C. Interesting. The shining ones.
• 52:59
  Yeah. Yikes. Anyway, so I've got some more myths
• 53:02
  for us. Okay. Can you guess what they're about?
• 53:07
  Ziggurats. Actually. I wanted to throw you a
• 53:11
  curveball. Yes. I wanted to introduce a new word.
• 53:16
  It was good. I liked it. We've been saying babble
• 53:19
  a lot so I thought... Babble, babble, babble.
• 53:21
  What babble do I know? I know a ziggurat. I quit.
• 53:27
  I quit those. I got a whole pack of them. A whole
• 53:32
  pack of ziggurats. Oh boy. Gotta break the habit.
• 53:38
  Anyway, do you want to hear some myths about
• 53:40
  babble? Babble? Babble myths? Babble myths. Ziggurat
• 53:44
  myths? Babble. Well so here's I guess the really
• 53:48
  what they are is it asks the question in attempts
• 53:51
  to answer the question of why do we have different
• 53:54
  languages? Got it. And why do we have such diversity?
• 53:57
  Yeah. Because I mean it is an interesting thing
• 53:59
  where linguists have actually shown and seen
• 54:03
  that there is... They've shown and seen. Let
• 54:07
  me say that a different way. They've seen and
• 54:09
  shown. Well they have let's say theorized. Expressed.
• 54:12
  they've expressed interest in this idea. No,
• 54:16
  they've theorized from a lot of different types
• 54:21
  of studies of languages over time that it all
• 54:25
  originates from one language. But because of
• 54:31
  differences in region, isolation, trade, language
• 54:34
  has changed, that's their theory. And because
• 54:37
  of that, we've gotten into where we are now.
• 54:40
  But then it does make you ask the question, Yeah,
• 54:42
  because some of these languages are so different.
• 54:45
  Right. And it's like, where did that come from?
• 54:48
  But what's interesting is a lot of different
• 54:51
  cultures, ancient cultures have explained why
• 54:54
  it is the way it is and why it happened. Okay.
• 54:57
  But they do it through myth. They do. And so
• 54:59
  these are their myths about why are there so
• 55:04
  many different languages and why are people in
• 55:05
  different areas? Okay, that makes sense because
• 55:07
  I remember learning that like English is an offshoot
• 55:10
  of what would be called categorically a Germanic
• 55:12
  language. Yes. And so like there's that offshoot
• 55:16
  that kind of a lot of European languages come
• 55:19
  out of the Germanic. Yeah. I guess syllable pronunciation,
• 55:26
  I don't know. Yeah, I know what word you're looking
• 55:28
  for, but I can't think of it. My language is
• 55:31
  shot. But I don't remember all the categories.
• 55:34
  And honestly, there's just a bunch of different
• 55:37
  categories. So at some point, that all split
• 55:39
  off. And kind of what you're saying is a lot
• 55:43
  of people... Would go back to the fact that there
• 55:47
  was one key point and everything shoots off of
• 55:49
  that Yeah, and then it branches out from there
• 55:51
  and kids like they there are Greater like families
• 55:54
  that language would fall into the language families,
• 55:57
  right? But even amongst all languages in a lot
• 56:00
  of studies. They've done They've seen that there
• 56:02
  are words that are similar and even like there
• 56:05
  are patterns that we see in every language like
• 56:07
  grammar syntax It's like there's so many similarities.
• 56:11
  Yeah, that is like all right there seems to be
• 56:13
  some kind of commonality here. Basic structure,
• 56:16
  yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also wonder if like,
• 56:21
  because the way that the Earth is structured,
• 56:24
  like you have, what's it, not Capricorn, what's
• 56:30
  the equator? The Capricorn. What's the, there's
• 56:34
  like a line, something Capricorn. Something Capricorn.
• 56:39
  Someone knows. It's a horizontal line that goes
• 56:44
  across the earth. I think of the Coriolis effect.
• 56:47
  Nope, not that. It's like the something of Capricorn.
• 56:51
  Anyways. Oh, I think I know what you mean. The
• 56:53
  equator. Yeah. The equator. The equator. The
• 56:58
  equator. That's how you say it in the south.
• 57:00
  The equator. Different things happen at the top
• 57:05
  and on the bottom. Yeah. And so like, like they
• 57:08
  say that like they say because I've never been
• 57:09
  to Australia. but the idea that when you flush
• 57:13
  the toilet, it spins the other way. And then
• 57:17
  also you have summer, winter, opposite times.
• 57:21
  I wonder if some of that plays into Asian, the
• 57:26
  way that they're reading and the way that they're
• 57:28
  perceiving. Well, because they're north of the
• 57:30
  equator like us. Right, but they're on the opposite
• 57:32
  side of the world. Oh, true. So I wonder if placement
• 57:36
  on the earth. creates a different perspective
• 57:39
  because of where you are in relationship to the
• 57:42
  sun and the moon. You know what I mean? It's
• 57:46
  potentially more natural for somebody on the
• 57:49
  other side of the world to read right to left
• 57:52
  versus left to right because their toilet goes
• 57:55
  backwards. You know what I'm saying though? That's
• 57:58
  a silly way to say that. No, I know what you're
• 58:00
  getting at though. But it kind of makes sense.
• 58:01
  I know what you're getting. Yeah. Yeah, no, but
• 58:05
  even Hebrew is right to left. It's not left to
• 58:08
  right, right? which is weird because like I have
• 58:11
  a Hebrew Bible and You I don't know which way
• 58:15
  to open it Like I have to open it wrong the way
• 58:18
  you think you shouldn't yeah And it feels like
• 58:20
  all the pages are like they're too they're printed
• 58:23
  too close to just how strange like maybe a westerner
• 58:26
  Yeah, that one. Yeah, so like all the text is
• 58:29
  a little bit too far, right? I don't know. That's
• 58:31
  so interesting. It's weird but yeah Yeah, that's
• 58:34
  fascinating. Yeah. So that's interesting. So
• 58:37
  myths, why their languages are unique the way
• 58:41
  that they are. Yeah. Okay. So this is, I'm going
• 58:45
  to start as normal with the Hebrew myth. Okay.
• 58:48
  Which we're familiar with. Yeah. At least most
• 58:49
  of us will be familiar with. And then kind of
• 58:51
  let's take that as our control myth and then
• 58:56
  compare the other ones to it. But we're not saying
• 58:58
  that Hebrew was the first language. No. In fact,
• 59:02
  we would. But maybe. Traditionally, like in Christian
• 59:06
  tradition, they would argue that, or even in
• 59:08
  Jewish tradition, they would argue that Hebrew
• 59:10
  was the original. Sure. Or at least as closely
• 59:14
  related as you can get to the original language.
• 59:17
  Yeah, because Yahweh in Genesis speaks in Hebrew.
• 59:24
  Yeah, and we have it written down that way. That's
• 59:28
  because the guy who wrote it down spoke Hebrew.
• 59:32
  I thought you were following along. I was playing
• 59:34
  along with you. I just didn't want a listener
• 59:37
  to be like. Oh, that's fair. Oh, yeah, God did
• 59:39
  speak Hebrew. Oh, that does make sense. Like,
• 59:41
  no, no, no. We don't know that. No, yeah, we
• 59:43
  don't know. We don't know what they spoke. But
• 59:46
  that's part of the theory behind it. But like,
• 59:49
  side note, like the telepathy tapes, do you know
• 59:51
  about those? No, what are those? So like, there's
• 59:54
  high functioning - Is this the conspiracy corner?
• 59:57
  Maybe? It's borderline, because now I think I
• 1:00:00
  know what you mean. There's like high -functioning
• 1:00:03
  autistic... I know exactly what you're talking
• 1:00:04
  about now. Children that they've seen can communicate
• 1:00:08
  and see and perceive things through their parents,
• 1:00:14
  through their moms specifically. And some of
• 1:00:18
  them start to be able to be verbal and have chosen
• 1:00:21
  to not be verbal because they start to lose that
• 1:00:25
  ability. It's crazy. Which is an interesting
• 1:00:29
  thought when you start to look at Adam and Eve
• 1:00:33
  in the garden. Were there audible sounds made
• 1:00:38
  to communicate or was that not necessary? That's
• 1:00:44
  interesting. What was the language of Babel?
• 1:00:49
  Was it actual audible sounds? Or is it telepathic?
• 1:00:55
  That's an interesting idea and that feels like
• 1:00:57
  a conspiracy, but it's not that crazy to think
• 1:01:00
  like It's not that crazy to think that you could
• 1:01:03
  nonverbal communicate true because we do it all
• 1:01:06
  the time. Yeah, it's always yeah Well, we do
• 1:01:09
  it even with our audible noises that we're making
• 1:01:13
  Yeah, which makes sense to our brains. Yeah,
• 1:01:16
  but Just think about hearing me going right Like,
• 1:01:20
  that tells you something. But even if just now
• 1:01:23
  I didn't go right, if I just went... Yeah, I
• 1:01:26
  know exactly what you mean. Yeah, so there's
• 1:01:29
  a ton of stuff like that. I mean, it wouldn't
• 1:01:30
  be great for podcasting. You know what I mean?
• 1:01:35
  It might be fun for video. Imagine it's just
• 1:01:37
  absolute silence, but everyone understands it.
• 1:01:39
  Yeah, and we're just talking. It's like telepathy
• 1:01:42
  podcast. We're going to... Edit in some telepathy
• 1:01:47
  noises. Silence? We're like, mmm. I don't know
• 1:01:54
  how this sounds. And then we're talking the whole
• 1:01:57
  time. I bet that if you just sat. I bet that
• 1:02:03
  if you just sat, because that's the whole thing
• 1:02:05
  about like, like they say that like when you
• 1:02:08
  really have spent time with somebody, you really
• 1:02:10
  love somebody, the... a sign of that is you can
• 1:02:15
  take a car ride and never say a word. Interesting.
• 1:02:18
  But like, I've been married for 10 years. And
• 1:02:21
  in that time, there's been a ton of experiences
• 1:02:26
  where I realize I'm not saying anything, and
• 1:02:31
  I realize the space, the air between us is troubled.
• 1:02:38
  Interesting. And then I go, all right, let me
• 1:02:40
  try and formulate this. How do I... approach
• 1:02:43
  this discussion and resolve the tension in the
• 1:02:46
  air. That's like, there's a non -verbal issue.
• 1:02:50
  I don't know what it is, but it's present and
• 1:02:53
  I can feel it. That's interesting. But that exists
• 1:02:56
  all the time. Yeah, because I think, I'm excited.
• 1:03:00
  You've been a part of them sometimes, I think.
• 1:03:02
  We've done remote podcasting. Even if you've
• 1:03:05
  done a Zoom call with somebody. It's so different.
• 1:03:09
  doing it even that way versus being in the room
• 1:03:11
  with that person absolutely because there's a
• 1:03:12
  feeling you can pick up from somebody yeah and
• 1:03:15
  it's like oh like it makes more sense it's easier
• 1:03:17
  yeah well like it's easier to communicate there's
• 1:03:20
  a whole like this would be like conspiracy side
• 1:03:25
  uh but not really i mean it's like the the aura
• 1:03:28
  element of yeah the conspiracy side would be
• 1:03:31
  like the language the language that we're using
• 1:03:33
  right now can make it sound more mystical than
• 1:03:35
  it really is well what i'm about to say is is
• 1:03:41
  a modern conspiracy discussion, even though a
• 1:03:45
  lot of it is factual data, which is the six feet
• 1:03:49
  apart. Keeping humans six feet apart was detrimental
• 1:03:54
  to our communication and need to feel that close
• 1:04:01
  interaction with other people. So because of
• 1:04:04
  that, it kept us at a distance and made us more
• 1:04:07
  isolated. And the more isolated we were, or we
• 1:04:11
  are, the more isolated we are, the less connectivity
• 1:04:14
  we have to anything and everything. And so there's
• 1:04:19
  an issue there where it's like, that's why long
• 1:04:24
  distance relationships are not great. They're
• 1:04:27
  harder, so much harder, yeah. Yeah, you have
• 1:04:29
  to work a lot harder because the feeling's not
• 1:04:31
  there. And even if you talk every day to somebody.
• 1:04:36
  The way you felt in person is gonna be different
• 1:04:39
  the next time if it's been a year Yeah, you know
• 1:04:41
  absolutely so like that's that's kind of the
• 1:04:43
  weird thing is like there's so much nonverbal
• 1:04:45
  stuff that we don't quite acknowledge and some
• 1:04:48
  of it some of it is the the The lack of language
• 1:04:52
  for it. Yeah. Yeah, so like the simplicity of
• 1:04:55
  language and the lack of language for certain
• 1:04:57
  things that are nonverbal that's why it's like
• 1:05:01
  There's so much so much of the way that we communicate
• 1:05:04
  in the way that we talk and the way that we interact
• 1:05:06
  has Like I just think about like if you're a
• 1:05:11
  guitar player Like part of it is just playing
• 1:05:15
  the guitar the other part of it is the pedals
• 1:05:19
  you're playing through the amp that's Producing
• 1:05:22
  the sound the actual air that's being moved by
• 1:05:25
  the speaker like all of those things play a part
• 1:05:27
  in Somebody else hearing you play. Yeah as well
• 1:05:30
  as you hearing yourself play Yeah, and if you
• 1:05:33
  take away all of that you just grab an electric
• 1:05:36
  guitar and play it feels awful Mm -hmm, but if
• 1:05:39
  you plug it in all of a sudden it comes alive
• 1:05:42
  Yeah, I mean you think about even someone who's
• 1:05:45
  extremely skilled in in playing, you can feel
• 1:05:50
  their emotions in their fingers. Not touching
• 1:05:53
  their fingers, but I can hear them. It's like,
• 1:05:56
  oh, I can hear your emotions being filtered through
• 1:05:59
  your fingers to the guitar through the amp coming
• 1:06:02
  to my ears and I can understand what you're feeling.
• 1:06:06
  Yeah, and one of the things too is a good way
• 1:06:08
  to think about this is if you've ever been excited
• 1:06:13
  to meet someone and you're nervous because you
• 1:06:17
  wanna say the right things. The truth is, is
• 1:06:21
  it actually matters way less what you say and
• 1:06:25
  how much you yourself are being you yourself
• 1:06:30
  non -verbally in the presence of the other person.
• 1:06:33
  They're gonna remember that and they're also
• 1:06:35
  gonna feel that coming towards them way before
• 1:06:39
  and that's gonna carry with them way after anything
• 1:06:43
  that they could remember you saying. Yeah. Like
• 1:06:45
  people don't really remember what you said in
• 1:06:49
  your interaction unless it's recorded and they
• 1:06:51
  can go back and watch it. Yeah. Which they can
• 1:06:54
  for us. Or listen. I know. Or listen to it. But
• 1:06:57
  like really a first interaction has way more
• 1:07:00
  to do with like, are you being you? Yeah. Because
• 1:07:04
  if you're bringing an energy to the person that
• 1:07:07
  is not you, then you're not presenting it. It
• 1:07:10
  doesn't matter what you're saying. Yeah. Because
• 1:07:12
  it's like, can you be Can you be comfortable
• 1:07:14
  in the same space together? Right. Yeah. You're
• 1:07:16
  already saying so much. Right. Right. So babble
• 1:07:19
  myths. So I think people have tried to explain
• 1:07:24
  this before. But I feel like I feel like that
• 1:07:26
  was important to take that tangent just because
• 1:07:28
  there's a there's a through line of like all
• 1:07:31
  of these languages, all of the languages that
• 1:07:34
  we have. Yeah. There's there's a big part of
• 1:07:38
  it that's nonverbal. Yeah. And and it's expressed
• 1:07:42
  in Verbal form. Mm -hmm that follows a similar
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  structure regardless of what language you're
• 1:07:47
  talking about Yeah, and I think that's because
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  the nonverbal and I'll even say has a lot to
• 1:07:52
  do with it There is it still like a universal?
• 1:07:55
  Part of language sure or communication. Let me
• 1:07:58
  say that way. Yeah that transcends language Yeah,
• 1:08:02
  and I mean if if any of you ever been in a country
• 1:08:05
  or speaking with someone that you don't Understand
• 1:08:08
  like you don't speak the same language. Yeah
• 1:08:10
  there's still a way you can learn to communicate
• 1:08:12
  with that person, given that you're both willing
• 1:08:15
  and you have the time to. And it's like, I think
• 1:08:18
  of my time being in China. It's just like, oh,
• 1:08:21
  eventually it's like I learned how to communicate
• 1:08:25
  decently with some of these people because we
• 1:08:27
  didn't obviously speak two completely different
• 1:08:29
  languages and our viewpoints are so different
• 1:08:31
  of how we interact with the world. But we got
• 1:08:34
  to a point where speaking no language could understand
• 1:08:38
  what each other was trying to say. Yeah, and
• 1:08:40
  that's grace and kindness. Yes. You know what
• 1:08:44
  I mean? Yeah. And that's like genuine human -to
• 1:08:46
  -human loving and interaction with someone who
• 1:08:51
  is also a human. Yeah, absolutely. It's like
• 1:08:54
  just a basic human -to -human interaction. Yeah.
• 1:08:57
  But that's what I mean. So I don't know. That
• 1:09:01
  type of stuff is very, very interesting to me.
• 1:09:05
  Yeah. So all the... It's very interesting to
• 1:09:07
  me as well. All the... the Babel myths. I can
• 1:09:11
  see you eyeing them. Yeah, I'm interested. So
• 1:09:14
  I'm going to start with the Hebrew one. OK. And
• 1:09:17
  we're going to kind of work our way through.
• 1:09:18
  OK. Because I mean, it is the first language.
• 1:09:21
  I mean, God's written down. Well, we know for
• 1:09:27
  sure God did speak Hebrew at some point. At some
• 1:09:29
  point. And by that, I mean, he spoke to Hebrews
• 1:09:35
  who spoke Hebrew. Yeah. Spoke in their language.
• 1:09:40
  Yeah, and then we know we read that passage where
• 1:09:42
  Jesus appears to Paul or he appears to Saul.
• 1:09:46
  Yeah, and Saul later says he spoke to me in Hebrew
• 1:09:51
  in Hebrew. Yeah, which is cool. It's cool He
• 1:09:54
  must have been and we know that because he called
• 1:09:57
  back home Yeah lessons But we know that because
• 1:10:01
  he called him Saul. Yeah, because Paul was his
• 1:10:04
  Greek name. Yeah, exactly Yeah, it's pretty cool.
• 1:10:06
  Go back and watch that one It's a good episode.
• 1:10:08
  Yeah. Maybe. So Hebrew, the first language spoken
• 1:10:12
  by God. We gotta bomb through these now. Now
• 1:10:15
  we're good. Are we good? Okay. I don't know.
• 1:10:18
  You'll enjoy it. This is what you're here for.
• 1:10:21
  Here we go. This is the language episode. Humans
• 1:10:25
  built a tower in Babel to reach the heavens.
• 1:10:29
  God displeased with their arrogance, confused
• 1:10:31
  their languages. People scattered across the
• 1:10:33
  earth, forming different nations. So that's the...
• 1:10:38
  That's the summary clear -cut Tower of Babel
• 1:10:41
  Hebrew story. Okay. Yeah, that's cutting everything
• 1:10:44
  out. Yeah, I'm cutting out all the yeah I'm kind
• 1:10:47
  of doing this every single one of them. So I'm
• 1:10:49
  showing this is kind of like the I'll show you
• 1:10:51
  the level of detail Do we already do an episode
• 1:10:53
  on Nimrod? We did Did we do it on Nimrod? Yeah,
• 1:10:57
  or do we do it on Freemasonry? I think it was
• 1:11:00
  both You have to tell us we might have been to
• 1:11:04
  episode at this point. I don't remember Well,
• 1:11:08
  we'll find out. It's all one in the same. But
• 1:11:10
  I mean, that's kind of the level of detail I'm
• 1:11:12
  going with because there's so many of them. Yeah.
• 1:11:14
  I just kind of pick 10 of them. Yeah. And basically
• 1:11:17
  the Hebrew tradition is that the Bible tells
• 1:11:19
  us that there's a common language. Yeah. And
• 1:11:22
  it basically tells us that at the point of Babel.
• 1:11:26
  Yeah. Which is Genesis 11. Yeah. And then the
• 1:11:31
  confusion of language happens. And the reason
• 1:11:34
  why I'm interested what the language before was
• 1:11:37
  yeah, and I'm interested if if it was something
• 1:11:40
  that was nonverbal it's Because I feel like it's
• 1:11:44
  highly possible. It's possible But that's one
• 1:11:48
  of the things like we can't know on this side
• 1:11:50
  of earth at least yeah And that doesn't feel
• 1:11:52
  like like that shouldn't feel new age That's
• 1:11:55
  kind of why that's kind of why I went on the
• 1:11:57
  tangent before even then it's like we don't even
• 1:11:59
  know what Like early language sounded like right,
• 1:12:03
  you know It's like because and the reason we
• 1:12:05
  don't know that well first like we have no idea
• 1:12:08
  what Mesopotamian sounded like we've never heard
• 1:12:10
  it We don't know what Egyptians sounded like
• 1:12:11
  sure we can guess right with the best we can
• 1:12:15
  but even then it's like there's so many languages
• 1:12:16
  that have been lost Yeah, and even dialects and
• 1:12:19
  iterations of languages that we don't know Yeah,
• 1:12:23
  it's like it's I mean think about in the short
• 1:12:25
  time that we've we know the English language
• 1:12:27
  and how much it's changed and adapted and sound
• 1:12:29
  it's different What is cool about Hebrew, though,
• 1:12:31
  is people still actively speak it as their main
• 1:12:34
  language. That is true. Which is very cool. Yeah.
• 1:12:37
  So particularly if you go to Israel, there are
• 1:12:39
  people that only speak Hebrew. Right, which is
• 1:12:41
  cool. It is cool. Yeah. Yeah. So then jumping
• 1:12:45
  to another fan favorite, Mesopotamia. Mesopotamia.
• 1:12:50
  Mesopotamia. Mesopotamia. Mesopotamia. Mesopotamia.
• 1:12:56
  Mesopotamia. Foreshadowing. So King. Envercar.
• 1:13:00
  We did it four times, that's why. Oh, that's
• 1:13:02
  good. Sorry, go ahead. That is good foreshadowing.
• 1:13:05
  King Envercar of Uruk wanted to build a great
• 1:13:09
  temple and unite all people under one language.
• 1:13:12
  Uruk. Is that similar to Ur? No, I think it's
• 1:13:15
  two different places. It is. Yeah. But Mesopotamia.
• 1:13:18
  Similar. Mesopotamia. So the god Enki. Mesopotamia.
• 1:13:23
  Mesopotamia. Brought to you by Babel. Babel .com.
• 1:13:27
  Forward slash. Backslash? Board, backslash, one
• 1:13:30
  of them, one of them, slash. All the slashes.
• 1:13:32
  Just hit all the slashes. Try them all. And then
• 1:13:34
  Marjro. That might open a portal. I hope not.
• 1:13:41
  A good portal, a good portal. Okay, okay. To
• 1:13:45
  more episodes. Just how we reroute people to
• 1:13:51
  our website. That would be so good, actually.
• 1:13:54
  That would cost a lot of money. That would be
• 1:13:56
  expensive. Sorry, go ahead. Mesopotamia. The
• 1:13:58
  god Enki, fearing human power. You almost did
• 1:14:01
  it again. I did. Confused their speech. The project
• 1:14:05
  failed and linguistic division began. So that
• 1:14:09
  story sounds almost identical, does it not? Enki
• 1:14:14
  is the creator god. No Marduk. No Enki. Well
• 1:14:21
  yeah, so Marduk is the one who slayed Tiamat.
• 1:14:24
  Right. Oh Tia monster creator god. No, that's
• 1:14:28
  the Dead Sea serpent You're right Wait, but I
• 1:14:33
  am getting my myths all mixed up. We've gone
• 1:14:35
  through a lot of them We have going through my
• 1:14:37
  own classified documents Well, I'm thinking about
• 1:14:39
  because like with and go back and watch the episodes
• 1:14:42
  leading up to this one Because we go through
• 1:14:45
  creation myths and yes like that Well, so it's
• 1:14:47
  what's interesting about this too I wanted to
• 1:14:49
  verify because Enki was also the one who who
• 1:14:52
  warns man about the flood Right. That's what
• 1:14:56
  I was getting at. He warned Unapishiam about
• 1:14:57
  the flood. But then he's like, yeah, I don't
• 1:15:01
  like your guys' power, so I'm gonna mess up your
• 1:15:03
  language. Yeah. So it's kind of fascinating that
• 1:15:06
  it's the same god. Yeah, which is similar in
• 1:15:09
  the Hebrew tradition. Yeah, except for Enki's
• 1:15:11
  not the one who sent the flood. Got it. That
• 1:15:13
  was Enlil who sent the flood. Ah, Enlil. Enlil,
• 1:15:18
  ugh. He's a little bloated. But so far it's like,
• 1:15:22
  okay, this is actually almost... identical to
• 1:15:25
  the biblical story. So now we're going to jump
• 1:15:27
  to... Hebrew and Mesopotamian, they're very close.
• 1:15:32
  I mean, we're talking about Samaria. Right. Yeah,
• 1:15:36
  they're ancient Turkey next to each other. To
• 1:15:40
  be fair, that's where Noah was. Yes. So it would
• 1:15:44
  make sense. That's where Abraham comes from.
• 1:15:45
  They would have the closest relating myths. It's
• 1:15:48
  where John writes Revelation. in northern Mesopotamia.
• 1:15:54
  That one is a real song. Yeah, you did it. Good
• 1:15:58
  job. So, Aztecs. Ooh, I like Aztecs. Yeah. This
• 1:16:05
  one's actually interesting too, because it's
• 1:16:07
  also a flood myth. Okay. All tied together. Nice.
• 1:16:11
  So, a great flood destroyed humanity, leaving
• 1:16:14
  only Cox Cox and his wife, children born speaking
• 1:16:18
  differently. Oh, Cox Cox. You know. Their children
• 1:16:21
  are born speaking different languages. This prevented
• 1:16:24
  communication and led to human dispersion. Now
• 1:16:27
  I want you for a second to just think about that.
• 1:16:31
  It's kind of easy to believe though. They gave
• 1:16:32
  birth to kids and they're just like, yeah, we're
• 1:16:34
  speaking different languages now. Oh, I heard
• 1:16:38
  that as the kids came out speaking different
• 1:16:41
  languages. Yes. Like their kids were born speaking
• 1:16:44
  different languages. No, like, uh, I - Don't
• 1:16:49
  know why I just went to pee and repeat Pete fell
• 1:16:55
  out Who is left repeat Well, let's say John and
• 1:17:05
  Sally come out and John is speaking a different
• 1:17:09
  language than Sally. Oh You that's how I husband
• 1:17:13
  and the wife. Nope These are the kids. Yes. John,
• 1:17:16
  Sally are the kids. Yeah, came out being born.
• 1:17:18
  Meaning born. They came out being born. They've
• 1:17:23
  been born. They've been born. Yeah. No, no, no.
• 1:17:25
  They came out and they spoke different languages
• 1:17:28
  from each other. Oh, I see. Yeah, that's how
• 1:17:32
  I heard it. Yeah, I mean pretty much though.
• 1:17:35
  But they came out speaking the same language
• 1:17:37
  but different from their parents. Or now all
• 1:17:40
  of a sudden there's three languages. Yeah, pretty
• 1:17:42
  much. Got it. Okay. Yeah. So it's like all these
• 1:17:44
  kids started coming out and there's like we're
• 1:17:46
  all speaking different languages. How many kids?
• 1:17:47
  I don't know. I thought it said two. No, it doesn't
• 1:17:49
  say two. Oh. It just says children born. Okay.
• 1:17:55
  Okay. There were two people that were survived
• 1:17:57
  the flood. Got it. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:18:00
  Yeah. So that's theirs, which is like, throws
• 1:18:04
  the flood myth all in it right there. And then
• 1:18:06
  two, which is kind of fun. Yeah. But even in
• 1:18:08
  the Hebrew tradition and in our tradition. the
• 1:18:11
  flood precedes Babel pretty closely. The only
• 1:18:14
  thing that's different with this one though is
• 1:18:17
  that, I mean, there's a couple things different.
• 1:18:18
  This one is probably the most different out of
• 1:18:21
  all the other ones as well, compared to the biblical
• 1:18:24
  story in that it has nothing to do with a tower
• 1:18:26
  and there's not a divine being that changes their
• 1:18:30
  language. Yeah, but potentially they come out
• 1:18:33
  of a divine being. Potentially. Right? Yeah.
• 1:18:37
  So like, cause that, the Aztec, is that a king?
• 1:18:40
  It doesn't say okay. Yeah, that's just their
• 1:18:43
  myth. Yeah, yeah And now probably it's seen as
• 1:18:47
  a godlike figure that other favorite of yours
• 1:18:49
  the Mayans Mayans Mayans So early humans spoke
• 1:18:53
  one Mesopotamia Mesopotamia Mesopotamia Mayans
• 1:18:59
  Now the Mayans Now the Mayans Early humans spoke
• 1:19:05
  Mayans Now we're an inside joke. They'll have
• 1:19:13
  no idea. It's fine. You can rewind it. We did
• 1:19:17
  that in the songwriting. Yeah, that's true. Go
• 1:19:19
  ahead. Mayans. Mayans. Early humans spoke one
• 1:19:23
  language. The gods, fearing their wisdom, caused
• 1:19:26
  them to speak differently. Confusion separated
• 1:19:29
  them into different groups. Confucius. Confucius.
• 1:19:33
  He's a time traveler. Confusion. Yeah, okay.
• 1:19:39
  Yeah, so same so one's like the same story. Yeah
• 1:19:41
  Yeah, it's kind of like a lot of counsel there
• 1:19:44
  a lot of these. Yes, they're multiple gods, but
• 1:19:47
  not necessarily except Potentially very similar
• 1:19:54
  And then it's so funny with some of this like
• 1:19:58
  so this one it's called like the African myth
• 1:20:01
  Okay, it's like there's a lot of tribes in Africa.
• 1:20:03
  Yes really in this is really like a culmination
• 1:20:06
  of some of some of them. All people shared one
• 1:20:11
  language, a god, either in anger or to prevent
• 1:20:15
  unity, changed their speech. It's up to you.
• 1:20:18
  They were feared, or sorry, they were forced
• 1:20:20
  to spread across the land. So it's like, oh,
• 1:20:23
  so that's the same one. And so that's where it's
• 1:20:28
  interesting with these. And I'll read the rest
• 1:20:30
  of them here, but it's like - I do like that
• 1:20:31
  you bring up Aztec and Mayan because they're
• 1:20:33
  also different timeframes. Yes. So like Mesopotamia
• 1:20:37
  and the Hebrew one are pretty close time -wise,
• 1:20:41
  but yeah. And I love bringing up them especially
• 1:20:45
  because they're on a whole other side of the
• 1:20:47
  planet. Yeah, and other side of the equator.
• 1:20:50
  Yes. Equator. Equator. Yes. The equator. They
• 1:20:56
  on the other side of the equator. It's like even
• 1:20:58
  for them, it's like, oh, their story is the same.
• 1:21:00
  Yes. That's interesting. It is, yeah. And so
• 1:21:03
  that brings us to... Indian, not Native American.
• 1:21:07
  Back to the other side of the world. India, yeah.
• 1:21:10
  Where they were trying to go. Oh yeah, good point.
• 1:21:15
  Well, Columbus. Columbus was trying. The Spaniards.
• 1:21:19
  Yeah, he tried his best. Early humans spoke one
• 1:21:24
  language in harmony. Divine curse or cosmic event
• 1:21:27
  fragmented their speech. Again, you decide. It's
• 1:21:30
  up to you. Division led to cultural and linguistic
• 1:21:33
  separation. Hmm, so same so same. Yeah, and this
• 1:21:37
  one this is greco -roman, which means greek and
• 1:21:39
  roman together. Yep the Man, this is a big word
• 1:21:45
  Or it's important paul Gigantama key Gigantama
• 1:21:56
  key gigantama key gigantama key, which is a war
• 1:22:00
  between gods and giants War between gods and
• 1:22:03
  Giants. Yeah, that's a great word This Divine
• 1:22:09
  punishment resulted in human division from the
• 1:22:11
  outcome of this war. Okay Some interpretations
• 1:22:15
  link it to the fragmentation of languages. Well
• 1:22:18
  that would push back to Zeus. Yes in Saturn and
• 1:22:22
  Who comes who's the creator God? You'll be Saturn,
• 1:22:28
  right? Yeah, I know I'm forgetting that Was it
• 1:22:32
  Cronus? It wasn't him. No. That was Zeus' dad.
• 1:22:37
  Yeah. Cronus. Yeah. It might be him. Anyways.
• 1:22:40
  Maybe it's him. But yes. So it's like there's
• 1:22:43
  this huge war going on in here. And then as a
• 1:22:46
  result of that, people get cursed. Yeah. It's
• 1:22:50
  funny because the Greek myths give us way more
• 1:22:55
  pictures of sons of God. Yes. Because they really
• 1:22:59
  live in that space. They talk a lot about giants.
• 1:23:01
  Right. Yeah. Well, and there's this war and there's
• 1:23:07
  like war, there's celebration, there's all this
• 1:23:09
  stuff happening in the sky. Yes. And that there's
• 1:23:14
  somehow the Greek culture is like privy to. Yeah.
• 1:23:19
  That's part of their tradition, which is really
• 1:23:20
  interesting. Well, and that's part of what I
• 1:23:23
  was kind of alluding to earlier because we've
• 1:23:26
  talked about this in other myths before. Yeah.
• 1:23:28
  And it's like which details each culture chooses
• 1:23:31
  to focus on. And it's like, well, I think a lot
• 1:23:33
  of that has to do with their language and tradition.
• 1:23:36
  It's like, well, what do they think is important?
• 1:23:38
  And obviously for the Greeks and Romans, the
• 1:23:41
  focus on gods and giants was very important to
• 1:23:45
  them. Yeah, it was. Yeah, and you see that in
• 1:23:48
  their art and everything. Yeah, central to their
• 1:23:50
  culture. Yeah, for sure. Whereas for some of
• 1:23:52
  these others, it's like it really wasn't. Yeah,
• 1:23:55
  that's cool. Yeah. Like we've seen in the past
• 1:23:58
  with the Mayans, everyone just runs off and turns
• 1:24:00
  into monkeys. Wild. It's kind of wild. Wooden
• 1:24:04
  people without souls. Yeah. You're like, wait,
• 1:24:07
  what? Yeah. At this point in the podcast, you're
• 1:24:09
  like, what are you guys talking about? Go back
• 1:24:10
  and listen to the last episode. You'll thank
• 1:24:12
  us later. It'll make sense. It'll make sense.
• 1:24:14
  If they're jumping into this - We're trying to
• 1:24:16
  make you more cultured. Yeah. Trying to understand
• 1:24:18
  the world more. Expand language. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:24:23
  A linguistic expanse. A larger picture or larger
• 1:24:26
  worldview. It's good for your brain. Mostly it's
• 1:24:30
  good for your heart. And you're gonna laugh at
• 1:24:31
  this next one. I'm here for it. But I think this
• 1:24:33
  is how you pronounce it. Oh no. So this is the
• 1:24:36
  Chinese myth. Oh, I thought you were gonna try
• 1:24:38
  and pronounce Chinese different. Well, I'm gonna
• 1:24:40
  try to pronounce this word the way I think it
• 1:24:42
  should be pronounced. Okay. The meow people.
• 1:24:46
  I was trying to figure out why that was funny.
• 1:24:51
  Because I'm used to saying meow. They threw an
• 1:24:53
  I in there. It's like meow. Meow. Meow. Meow.
• 1:24:58
  Meow. Meow. I think it's more like meow. Meow.
• 1:25:05
  Meow. Meow. Meow. Yeah. Either way, it sounds
• 1:25:10
  like a cat. Anyway, it does. It sounds like a
• 1:25:11
  cat. Sorry if that's offensive. It sounds like
• 1:25:14
  a cat. It's a cool word. It is a cool word, I
• 1:25:18
  like it. It looks really cool, I like it actually.
• 1:25:23
  The mail people. I think that's it. The little
• 1:25:26
  kitty cat people. No, keep going. They built
• 1:25:30
  a great tower to reach the sky. Angered gods
• 1:25:34
  destroyed it and confused their language. People
• 1:25:36
  dispersed across different regions. Okay, so
• 1:25:40
  exactly Tower Babel. Yes. cool exactly but like
• 1:25:44
  uh chinese um architecture a lot of their stuff
• 1:25:48
  looks like ziggurats yes like even the way that
• 1:25:51
  they build homes and like temples and things
• 1:25:53
  like that they all look like the way they draw
• 1:25:55
  dragons even is the same as mayans and aztecs
• 1:26:00
  do yeah we should get was that more serpent like
• 1:26:02
  yeah that's true yeah also do you know what year
• 1:26:05
  it is officially or officially Based on the Chinese
• 1:26:12
  calendar. Is this the year of the dragon? It
• 1:26:15
  is the year of the dragon. Really? Yeah. I didn't
• 1:26:17
  know that. Yeah. You know how I knew that? Because
• 1:26:19
  you looked it up? Nike. Nike! Or Nike, as some
• 1:26:25
  people pronounce it. I don't know how. But you
• 1:26:27
  know what word is? Oh, by the way, I looked that
• 1:26:30
  up. Oh yeah. So the reason why you would say
• 1:26:33
  Adidas... is because the guy who invented it,
• 1:26:37
  his name was Adidas. Are you serious? Yes. But
• 1:26:42
  it was like Adi -das -dasen -something. So somehow
• 1:26:46
  I pulled that out of something. Well, it's the
• 1:26:49
  beginning, it's his first name and the beginning
• 1:26:51
  of his last name that makes Adidas. Interesting.
• 1:26:54
  So I think Adidas is actually the, would be the
• 1:26:57
  German pronunciation. Oh, that's fascinating.
• 1:27:00
  Yeah. So you're not... Wrong not completely,
• 1:27:05
  but you did grow up in America, so I've never
• 1:27:09
  heard anyone say Adidas I don't know why I said
• 1:27:13
  it to be honest. I love it because I was so convinced
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  in the moment But then now I'm like I've never
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  said that but the reason why I looked at I was
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  like I've only said Adidas I don't know why I
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  said that oh, that's fascinating, and I was just
• 1:27:25
  like yeah, of course it's So you that was the
• 1:27:29
  first time you pronounce it that I think so and
• 1:27:31
  you were just set on it I was like that's it
• 1:27:33
  I don't know why. That's amazing. But the reason
• 1:27:38
  I looked it up is because I mentioned that it
• 1:27:40
  was a German company that was originally sports
• 1:27:44
  athletic apparel for Nazi Germany. Oh. And that
• 1:27:48
  actually is true. That's fascinating. Yeah. So
• 1:27:51
  like it was. Those guys were snappy dressers.
• 1:27:53
  It was something like in my mind I'm picturing
• 1:27:56
  that it was originally. developed sports gear
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  in like 1919, something like that, in Germany.
• 1:28:03
  And then in the 1940s is when it evolved into
• 1:28:08
  this company by that guy. Oh, interesting. Yeah,
• 1:28:12
  Adi Dawson something. Dawsonheimer. Dawsonheimer.
• 1:28:18
  The Dawson Schlugen. Yeah, but yeah, I thought
• 1:28:24
  that was interesting. Yeah. But go on. Okay,
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  that's fascinating. That is fascinating. Babel
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  myths. We have like a couple more? Yes, I got
• 1:28:30
  two more for us. Perfect. So the Polynesian one.
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  Early Polynesians built an enormous structure.
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  The gods displeased, destroyed it and changed
• 1:28:39
  their speech. People scattered across islands.
• 1:28:43
  And so I'll finish up here and then I'll let
• 1:28:45
  us go off on this. Well, I guess Indonesia, they
• 1:28:48
  have islands. Yes. So that makes sense. So this
• 1:28:52
  is Native American. And again, it's funny, it's
• 1:28:54
  like... Native American is not one tribe, but
• 1:28:57
  this is a culmination of a lot of their myths.
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  North America. Yes, North American myths. Long
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  ago, people spoke one language. Supernatural
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  forces divided their speech, resulted in different
• 1:29:12
  tribes and nations. And so what's fascinating
• 1:29:15
  to me about this series of myths, like this myth
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  of where all these languages come from, and how
• 1:29:24
  it differs from the creation myths and the flood
• 1:29:28
  myths that we've gone over is there's been more
• 1:29:32
  diversity in those other two. True. But this
• 1:29:34
  one is almost unanimously the same point for
• 1:29:37
  point details. That's a good point. And I find
• 1:29:39
  that particularly interesting. And I wonder if
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  it's because people are closer to that event
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  at the time. And so like that one is just like,
• 1:29:49
  oh, yeah, that's it. Yeah. And they're just more
• 1:29:53
  people. that remembered it because you think
• 1:29:56
  so if if we believe in the flood yeah in the
• 1:30:00
  flood story it's like well only six people could
• 1:30:04
  remember that yeah and that story have to pass
• 1:30:07
  down but if you're talking about babel where
• 1:30:09
  there's thousands potentially millions of people
• 1:30:12
  at that time yeah probably in the thousands um
• 1:30:15
  there's thousands of people to remember that
• 1:30:17
  story yes Yeah, well, and not just that but like
• 1:30:21
  if you if you use the the Hebrew tradition you
• 1:30:24
  look at the if you look at the Genesis account
• 1:30:26
  I guess it'd be eight people wouldn't it? I lost
• 1:30:31
  a I forgot a kid Well, it depends also the animal
• 1:30:35
  species have memory Yeah, I don't think they
• 1:30:39
  talked but I said six people survived the flood
• 1:30:43
  but it was eight. Well, if pre -babble that was
• 1:30:45
  telepathy then no true language can Cross. That's
• 1:30:50
  true. Yeah. Oh, so if you look at the Genesis
• 1:30:58
  account, you go Genesis 1 to Genesis 10. That's
• 1:31:02
  a lot of time. Yes. So that's the thing is like,
• 1:31:06
  as you, and we've talked about this before, but
• 1:31:07
  as you look at the Bible, the Hebrew scriptures
• 1:31:14
  and the Greek scriptures and the Aramaic scriptures,
• 1:31:19
  trying to encompass the whole 66 books. As you
• 1:31:22
  look at it, it's like it starts out with a lot
• 1:31:27
  of time and then slowly goes into more real time
• 1:31:32
  and then things kind of slow down as you get
• 1:31:35
  towards the end. So it's like this. Bunch of
• 1:31:38
  compressed things all at once and then it kind
• 1:31:41
  of slows down it comes into real time Yeah, like
• 1:31:43
  yeah because of that a lot of that like the highest
• 1:31:47
  time lapse really happens between Genesis 1 and
• 1:31:50
  Genesis 10 Oh, yeah, so like you have a ton of
• 1:31:53
  time in there Yeah, yeah, like that's the so
• 1:31:56
  by the time you get to Genesis 11 you get to
• 1:31:58
  Tower of Babel at that point We're pretty far
• 1:32:01
  into Everything that set it all up and why we're
• 1:32:07
  here, right? So there's not another Babel instance
• 1:32:13
  until Acts, the Book of Acts. So because of that,
• 1:32:21
  you basically have this ending point where all
• 1:32:24
  the stuff that was happening before, this is
• 1:32:26
  kind of the final piece of that, before you step
• 1:32:29
  into, all right, now everybody is not living
• 1:32:32
  100 or... 800 years, everybody's starting to
• 1:32:36
  live within the 100 year framework, people are
• 1:32:39
  starting to go all out over the earth, all of
• 1:32:43
  this stuff is starting to really happen that
• 1:32:48
  looks like kind of stewarding and taking care
• 1:32:51
  of the whole earth. So that Tower of Babel moment
• 1:32:55
  is kind of more true to all cultures in a tangible
• 1:33:00
  way. Yeah, that's very true the same way that
• 1:33:03
  like you would look at the Quran Hmm, and a lot
• 1:33:07
  of the beginning of it is very very similar and
• 1:33:10
  then it breaks off Yeah around Abraham. Yeah,
• 1:33:15
  it's not identical, but it's very similar a lot
• 1:33:18
  much similarity to it Yeah, and then it really
• 1:33:20
  breaks off in that I mean it would make a lot
• 1:33:23
  of sense too Because yeah, it gets closer to
• 1:33:25
  the writers right and what's happening in their
• 1:33:28
  life. Yes. Yeah Yeah, so they're more in real
• 1:33:32
  time, or they're closer to it. Yeah, because
• 1:33:35
  even if we take the biblical ages pre -flood,
• 1:33:40
  we're talking about potentially at least 2 ,000
• 1:33:44
  years. Yeah. That's not what this episode is
• 1:33:48
  for, though. No. Because we can talk a lot about
• 1:33:50
  that. But even if we just take the standard timeline
• 1:33:55
  for that, it's like, OK, so between Genesis 1
• 1:33:59
  and Genesis 10, potentially, we're talking about
• 1:34:04
  a couple thousand years, potentially more. But
• 1:34:07
  it's like, so I mean, to your point, it's like
• 1:34:09
  there's a lot of time in there. I mean, potentially
• 1:34:12
  less too, but it's like, even if it was 200 years,
• 1:34:17
  it's like, wow, that's a lot of time for only
• 1:34:20
  a couple chapters. Yeah, like looking at it,
• 1:34:23
  you have more time between Genesis 1 and Genesis
• 1:34:26
  10. than Genesis 11 to Genesis 50. So there's
• 1:34:31
  more time in those 10 chapters than there is
• 1:34:33
  in the next 40 chapters. Well, even if we look
• 1:34:35
  at every book in the New Testament, all those
• 1:34:38
  happen within 30 years. Right. Well, 40 to 50
• 1:34:43
  years. Yeah, you're right. But, yeah. Yeah. Even
• 1:34:46
  then it's like, oh, that's like no time at all.
• 1:34:49
  Right. Yeah. So it starts to break down like
• 1:34:51
  that. But that is interesting. So like really
• 1:34:55
  the whole conversation around myths is looking
• 1:34:58
  at what is the the true myth which is These the
• 1:35:04
  myth itself is the stories passed down that in
• 1:35:08
  that can and often do include supernatural events
• 1:35:12
  or Beings yeah, and that doesn't mean that myth
• 1:35:17
  is false or myth is fiction, but instead myth
• 1:35:21
  is how did we say it, the memories of culture?
• 1:35:26
  And so it's the things passed down. And so when
• 1:35:28
  we look back on these individual myths, the goal
• 1:35:31
  is to look at the whole world and go, what are
• 1:35:36
  the memories of these individual cultures and
• 1:35:40
  what is similar about them? Because it's evidences
• 1:35:44
  for a true myth. We're saying that that's the
• 1:35:50
  the Christian myth. Yeah, or the the Hebrew myth
• 1:35:54
  and story and memory of How God came to be and
• 1:35:59
  created all things so Yahweh the yeah. Yeah.
• 1:36:03
  Yeah. No, sorry I think it's important here to
• 1:36:06
  say as well as like as we're going through these
• 1:36:08
  It's like none of this because I think it's easy
• 1:36:10
  for like, oh look at all the similarities the
• 1:36:11
  Bible is right It's like, well that's not what
• 1:36:13
  it shows. And it's like, even reading all the
• 1:36:16
  myths, we're showing, and obviously we both believe
• 1:36:19
  in the Bible. And so it's like, that's where
• 1:36:22
  my bias leans toward, but if we look at this,
• 1:36:25
  these myths don't tell us the Bible's right,
• 1:36:27
  the fact that all these details line up with
• 1:36:30
  the scriptural account, but what it does show
• 1:36:34
  is everyone's saying the same thing, so this
• 1:36:39
  is probably what happened. Yeah, it's a higher
• 1:36:43
  likelihood that this type of event happened.
• 1:36:47
  Yes. And so therefore, it is a type of apologetics
• 1:36:52
  to go through and strengthen your argument, which
• 1:36:58
  our argument would be that Yahweh is the one
• 1:37:06
  true God and that the Bible, the 66 canonical
• 1:37:09
  books, as you go through it, there is more truth
• 1:37:13
  in it. Even as you look at all of the other world
• 1:37:17
  myths, you look at all of those and a lot of
• 1:37:21
  them are later and copy almost directly. Which
• 1:37:26
  that's where when you look at like the Mayan
• 1:37:27
  and the Aztec and the, like you start to look
• 1:37:29
  at all of those things and you kind of go like,
• 1:37:31
  they're just echoing the Babel story, which is
• 1:37:33
  actually older. And even the ones that are potentially
• 1:37:37
  older than the Hebrew, when it's written down,
• 1:37:41
  is echoing a similar thing. And then you can
• 1:37:43
  get into the conversation of, well, are they
• 1:37:45
  borrowing from them? And you kind of go like...
• 1:37:48
  And that's kind of where I was getting at. It's
• 1:37:50
  hard for us to say yes because of how far spread
• 1:37:55
  apart they were. We would expect that these would
• 1:37:58
  change. Well, I think that we've discussed in
• 1:38:01
  the previous episodes that... the posture of
• 1:38:05
  the Hebrew scripture is not necessarily saying
• 1:38:09
  this is what happened. It's saying that you're
• 1:38:14
  saying that that is what happened. But we're
• 1:38:17
  saying that this is actually what happened. Yeah,
• 1:38:20
  it's setting the record straight. It's like the
• 1:38:23
  Bible isn't trying to be proactive. It's more
• 1:38:27
  retroactive. Yeah, in some spaces. You guys are
• 1:38:30
  going way too far off. Let me just reset. Let
• 1:38:33
  me just say, no, this is it. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:38:35
  So in that way, it actually kind of brings it
• 1:38:38
  all back into line. Like it brings human history
• 1:38:40
  back into line in an interesting way. Yes. So
• 1:38:43
  when we look at all these other myths, like we
• 1:38:45
  talked a lot in the creation myth conversation,
• 1:38:50
  that the Genesis 1 account is actually a response
• 1:38:56
  to an older conversation. potentially older conversation.
• 1:39:00
  It's saying, you guys say it's these gods, it
• 1:39:04
  wasn't those gods, it was actually Yahweh. And
• 1:39:07
  we see this echoed in the New Testament with
• 1:39:09
  Paul in Athens, and he's saying like, you guys,
• 1:39:14
  there's the unknown or unnamed God, that's the
• 1:39:17
  one true God. So you're worshiping all these
• 1:39:19
  other gods, and you're also worshiping this one,
• 1:39:22
  but this unknown God, this is the actual, this
• 1:39:26
  is the true. the true God. These other gods are
• 1:39:29
  imitations. Yeah. And we see that even in the
• 1:39:32
  letters to the churches in Revelation. Yeah.
• 1:39:35
  Where he starts off with, you know, this is my
• 1:39:38
  description of who I am. Yes. And each of those
• 1:39:41
  is a reflection and a counter to who the God
• 1:39:44
  was of those cities the churches was in. Yeah.
• 1:39:47
  And saying like, no, it's not Apollo. Right.
• 1:39:49
  It's me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's pretty
• 1:39:52
  important that we're going through these myths
• 1:39:54
  and kind of putting them all in one place. Because
• 1:39:58
  it does create this conversation around essentially
• 1:40:02
  what the Bible is doing itself is a gift to us
• 1:40:07
  of the through line and the truth of why we're
• 1:40:11
  here, what we're doing here, what's going on
• 1:40:14
  around us. Also answering the questions that
• 1:40:18
  other humans and other spaces have tried to answer
• 1:40:23
  on their own or by knowledge given to them by
• 1:40:27
  false gods. And in that, it's the answer to those
• 1:40:33
  questions of is this real or not? Yeah, and that's
• 1:40:37
  kind of where, for me, because we talked about
• 1:40:39
  this early on in this myth series that we're
• 1:40:42
  on. It's like, okay, so are these all just made
• 1:40:47
  up? Right. And it's like, well, if we're looking
• 1:40:50
  at people that are separated by geography, by
• 1:40:55
  culture, by language, by any metric you can think
• 1:40:59
  of, and they're making up these stories of our
• 1:41:01
  origins, why do they keep making up the same
• 1:41:04
  story? Well, that's the thing, yeah. And it's
• 1:41:05
  where it's like, I think it's a ridiculous statement,
• 1:41:08
  personally, to be like, oh yeah, it's just coincidence.
• 1:41:11
  Right. And it's like, no, these can't be just
• 1:41:14
  all made up. Right. It doesn't mean every detail
• 1:41:16
  is right. Correct and it doesn't mean that like
• 1:41:19
  this is exactly Like point for point but it's
• 1:41:22
  like there is an element of truth I think in
• 1:41:25
  all these the fact that we're all telling the
• 1:41:27
  same story. Yeah Yeah, I love that. Yeah, so
• 1:41:30
  I think maybe we'll try and wrap up myths next
• 1:41:33
  episode. I think so Yeah, so we'll we'll try
• 1:41:37
  and wrap that up and then kind of give us synopsis
• 1:41:39
  launch into New fun and exciting things. Oh,
• 1:41:42
  yeah, it's we've got so much to talk about. I
• 1:41:45
  know It's getting longer. I keep like I know
• 1:41:49
  like I we could I could keep going for another
• 1:41:50
  four hours at least myself I know without taking
• 1:41:53
  a break. I know and that's without you Sharing
• 1:41:56
  your thoughts. I know so it's like oh man. We
• 1:41:58
  could record ten hours easy Yeah, we could so
• 1:42:00
  I'm holding back right now. Yeah Yeah, and we'll
• 1:42:03
  unpack more and jump into that on the next episode.
• 1:42:06
  Yeah, because I think this conversation where
• 1:42:07
  we're framing it now is important for how we're
• 1:42:10
  gonna have conversations in the future. Absolutely.
• 1:42:12
  Because this is setting our baseline and our
• 1:42:14
  framework. Yeah, and every episode of Martyrs
• 1:42:16
  Row is building towards, it's building a framework
• 1:42:19
  to live within, to really understand and to ask
• 1:42:22
  questions and have definitions and things defined.
• 1:42:27
  Yeah. Because you can't really have a conversation
• 1:42:29
  unless you speak the same language. Exactly,
• 1:42:32
  right interesting. Yeah So I like it. That was
• 1:42:36
  good. Let us babble on home Babble on home. You
• 1:42:44
  still have to walk home. I do and it's like 6
• 1:42:47
  a .m. Now if I don't miss my turn That was fun
• 1:42:53
  Paul that was fun, so we'll continue next time
• 1:42:56
  thanks for babbling with me. I love to babble
• 1:42:59
  See you next time 3 2 1