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LONDON CALLING EP1: Ran To Japan, Jake Smith & Tim Vincent · Easy Double podcast

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  Yeah, lace them up another way. Another.
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  Easy double. Yeah.
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  From the track to the rodeo, we talk that talk splits on the
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  watch, but we still take the Mick.
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  Dean in Perth with the long run, legs going, breaks the fire when
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  the session gets thick. Ryan in the mix with the numbers
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  and plans from everything, the medals, Yeah, we break it all
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  down. Hard graft Monday left about a
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  Sunday still chasing. What is happening everyone?
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  Welcome to London Call in 2026. I'm your host Ryan and I am
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  extremely excited to be joined by three very special guests for
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  a special easy double podcast series in the lead up to London
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  Marathon. We'll try and get together
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  roughly every couple of weeks and catch up and we'll follow
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  the lad's journey all the way to the start and the finish line.
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  Now I guess over to the fun part.
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  We've got 3 introductions so you'll have to bear with me
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  Welcome to don't know how the other guys are going to feel
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  about this. The fastest marathoner on the
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  show at the start of the series will he be the fastest man on
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  the show at the end of the series?
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  Dialing in from sunny Brisbane, the two O 9 Australian
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  representative welcome Tim Vincent that.
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  Is too good. You've got to keep that in.
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  He can't be that happy to be here.
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  Yeah, happy to be here now. Fuck off, I'm gone.
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  It was an intro. He.
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  Just took the limelight and left us.
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  Yeah, yeah, that was it. He's done his bit.
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  I'm out. All right, we'll come and speak
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  to Tim in a minute. When he's back, we'll go.
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  We'll go to the second fastest marathon on the show, the guy
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  with the fastest half marathon PB fresh off the back of an
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  amazing run at Barcelona Half. And he's been there.
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  He's done it all before. This time last year, he ran
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  London Marathon. Welcome to the show, Jake Smith.
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  Thanks. For having me, yeah, hopefully
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  can, like you said, beat Tim's PB, but if he ever comes back
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  onto the podcast. But I'm looking forward to
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  talking to all you guys. I'm looking forward to seeing
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  Jake in London in a couple of, well, nine weeks now.
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  I know he has about 17 marathons before then, but I'm excited to
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  see him. Yeah, the European standard just
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  sits precariously just below Tim's PB, doesn't it?
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  So I've no doubt that will be at the forefront of your mind.
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  Yeah, I think we also will have like a massive group.
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  I am going to put a request in for a pacer because last year
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  one of the guys I trained with the Uganda took them up to 38
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  kilometers at two O 9 pace. So I am going to request that
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  one guy he's called Abel. So I'm going to put my a big ask
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  him to be pace in the group. So we just have, we know we have
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  someone who can get us the full way, almost.
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  That would be lovely. You lay it up there.
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  What's the weather like in Cardiff?
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  Shape. It's it's rained every day since
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  the start of the year. We were just talking about it's
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  actually getting a little bit warmer now.
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  It's like 1012°. Yeah, it's not it's not nice.
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  It's probably the worst winter we've had in a long time in
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  terms of the rain. So it's not fun.
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  And will you just be grinding it out there in Cardiff up until
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  race day? Yeah, I have a couple of races
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  before I'm doing Bath Half, which is the, well, like the
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  world half trials race. And then doing Berlin is a bit
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  of a race stimulation, stimulation.
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  Apart from that, I have a little garage gym where I do a lot of
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  cross training. Got just got a squat rack in,
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  got a treadmill, have no idea what calibration it's on.
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  It does feel a lot harder than normal.
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  And then, yeah, probably meet up with Dan Nash quite a bit.
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  So yeah, it's it's going to be good fun.
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  This. Yeah, It'll be tough, but we'll
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  be good. Nice, well we'll just go back
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  and chat to Tim seen as he temporarily left us.
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  So Tim you back please stay now you're all good.
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  We thought you were just trying to get an early nice already.
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  No, he's teasing us. Oh, playing games right now.
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  This is going to be a parody, right?
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  Go to the other man. Last but certainly not least, he
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  doesn't quite have the PBS of Tim and Jake, but if you think
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  that's going to stop and try, and you're most certainly
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  incorrect. He does however, still hold a
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  very impressive PB of 214 from Tokyo last year.
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  It's Jake ran to Japan. Barraclough.
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  How are you doing mate? They are very good.
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  I can't believe I'm the hobby jogger on this podcast.
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  I'm not. Not just that, but I'm not even
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  the quickest Jake on the pod. This is this is some kind of
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  sick joke. I don't know how we've ended up
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  with this, but yeah, I've got to step up my game to home mind
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  against these boys. Yeah, it's quite ground and not
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  even being the fastest Jake in a four person chat room isn't.
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  It painful, yeah. I never thought it would come to
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  this, but yeah, actually, like Jake was saying, the the the
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  reason I wanted to do London was pretty much that group factor.
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  Like the the fact that, yeah, it sounds like a good shout.
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  Get that pacemaker in, drag us through because I say Japan,
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  unbelievable if you're in 205 shape, but that's the slowest
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  they're going to set the pacemakers.
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  It's like, unless you can go through half in a 62, there's no
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  point in in being in these Japanese marathons.
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  You're going to be soloing start to finish.
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  So it's like, for me, I feel like London's absolutely unreal.
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  There'll be a ton of guys going for that 209.
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  Hopefully we get a massive squad rolling along.
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  So I'm just going to, yeah, hopefully, if training goes
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  well, jump in that pack. Just hang on for dear life as
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  long as I can. I know you're potentially doing
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  Tokyo this weekend, which is maybe up in the air at the
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  minute as well, but what would the start line there look like
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  for you in terms of like, do you have anyone to follow if you are
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  going to race it or anything? So it's probably going to come
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  down to basically last year I did it with the elite female
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  group. So they were going, they had a
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  pacemaker for 308 per K. So it's meant to be 212 marathon
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  pace, just outrageously quick. So we had a massive squad there
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  because after that it was like no man's land from 2:12 to about
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  2:06, maybe just complete gap. So it's like I'd like to fall
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  somewhere in in the middle ideally, but I think it's a
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  whole lot safer going slower route.
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  So my thinking is actually it's August going to come down to the
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  technical meeting. So I'm going to, I'm actually
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  doing a YouTube live stream. I've got to give it a little
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  plug. Yeah, I'm going to do a live
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  stream straight after that technical meeting, basically
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  announcing what the game plan is on race day.
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  Because I literally don't know until we have that technical
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  meeting and they announce what the pacemakers are going.
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  I don't know whether it's going to be jump in the female group
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  or try and just do it solo, maybe pack up with a couple
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  other guys. It's a little up in the air.
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  And then actually, as you alluded to, wherever I actually
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  start is the other question as I've effectively had a week off
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  trying to be a battle this Patella issue.
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  So there's been a little bit of a bumpy year last week.
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  Did that Patella thing flare up from the like the 30 case study
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  had done on the snowy ice roofs? It was, it had that 30K had some
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  actually quite a lot of up and downs.
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  So it's like a lap course. There's about 3 sort of hills,
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  it's going over these bridges and every lap.
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  So I think it was just hammering down these hills.
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  Like the next time I caught actually running it, I was like,
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  oh, this is so easy. Like this is this is perfect.
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  I'm in the best shape I've ever been.
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  And then it was the next day just the quads were battered and
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  that just kind of blew out my knee I think.
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  Yeah, put the little bit of strain on the Patella.
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  So it's it's one of them as well where you can't run through any
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  other little *** I'd try and power through.
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  But with this is a bit like Achilles, like those tendons are
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  just nasty. So I had to sit out and I'm
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  hoping just like manage a job today that I can sort of build
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  it back and just, yeah, squeeze back into shape for the start
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  line. Well, you're the master of
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  anticipation and building hype, so I won't push you for an
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  answer, but we'll we'll be following and waiting to see if
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  you're on that start line. Exactly, it's all for the
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  YouTube always part of the. Storyline, Tim, in terms of the
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  race you're going to be travelling the further, so I
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  wanted to ask you all, but I'll start with you.
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  Why London Marathon and how did it come about that you actually
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  got a star in the elite field there?
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  And what was your reaction once you got that confirmed?
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  Every time Shit. Yeah, We'll see what happens if
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  he comes back. Oh, yeah.
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  Yeah. Jake Smith, you were there this
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  time last year. You've done it all before.
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  You know what to expect. You know what it feels like.
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  Can you give Jake and Tim, if he returns, an insight into what
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  what that race they feel and is like going over Tower Bridge?
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  Where's the atmospheric points where you're looking deep into
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  your soul and it's quiet and dark?
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  I can't really explain how crazy it is.
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  Like I've done like quite a few races in different countries and
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  everything like that, but you can't actually hear yourself
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  think around across Tower Bridge and it's actually quite a scary
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  feeling. And you don't going over Tower
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  Bridge. You actually need to make sure
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  when you don't get over excited because the bridge isn't flat.
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  It's like a tiny, you know, like bridges are tiny incline up to
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  it and down and there's people both sides screaming.
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  And I mean Jake, like I thought I was going to get a lot of like
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  shout outs and stuff, but I think the name Jake might get
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  shout out a lot this year, which is a good thing.
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  But it's it's a wicked, wicked race.
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  I mean, as you know, like the first half, the 1st 5K is rapid
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  because it is downhill. The first half you do go through
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  some, don't be rude to anyone who lives there, but shite areas
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  in London and makes me makes you want to run a bit quicker
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  through it. And that's what I always tell
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  myself. The group situation is going to
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  be incredible for us. And like I guess Tim might go a
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  bit for a quicker group and that would be like the Phil Sessman,
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  maybe Mohammed job like 12 and Wayne.
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  So he will always have a group as well if he wants slightly
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  quicker. Going through Canary Wharf is a
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  bit there are some quiet times. I remember last year I got
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  dropped at my pace. They dropped me off at 26 K and
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  I was at a major and there was not one athlete in front or
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  behind. You couldn't see anyone and that
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  was a bit weird being in a major marathon and no one being there.
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  So I had to grind out and catch. I went past Phil who's like he
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  was having a tough day out. Jack Rd.
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  Johnny Miller and I just grinded out to catch.
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  Alex Sheehan, 32K But I think, yeah, it's Canary Wharf.
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  I would say it's the toughest part because there is a bit
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  twisty and tiny. Some sections.
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  Again, there's so much support, but then there are times where
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  you wouldn't even guess you're in an hour.
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  Like it's a bit, it's a bit annoying.
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  And then the whole way down the last 6 miles is tough.
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  That's where we kind of need a bit of a tailwind.
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  So like if you look at the course profile, you kind of
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  want, I mean, I'm, I'm, I love my data and stuff.
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  You kind of want a wind from the South East, so it's like going
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  up. So the last bit, the more the
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  six miles you have it behind you.
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  And I remember catching Alex and I've never seen someone an
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  athlete so good with drinks like phenomenal, like he would hold
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  it for a kilometer just from his triumph and backgrounds.
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  And I was actually the closest I've ever been to Alex Sheehan a
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  race considering I've racing over 6 kilometers of cross
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  country before in tons of time, the closest I've ever been.
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  But the atmosphere is just, yeah, it's I can't even describe
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  it. And I think if, like James said,
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  like guys have run 201, like it's a bit annoying because last
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  year was a bit warmer. Everyone saw fantasies.
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  London is maybe a tougher course, but it is such a quick
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  course. Kitchen ran 201 on it basically
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  solo and last year, like I didn't get around 204 national
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  record. So it's a very quick course.
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  Hopefully we get the right day. If we get like Jake, you're
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  saying 10° before. I think it's going to be rap.
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  It's it's so, so fast. But yeah, I'm quite excited
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  because normally I get, I would say I would get quite a lot of
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  the shouts, but I can't believe I'm like you were saying, you're
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  not the fastest Jake on this podcast.
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  But I'm not going to be the favorite Jake in London.
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  So it's going to piss me off a little bit.
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  At least you won't know yeah who they're shouting for.
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  We'll just double up the support get get a whole load of Jakes
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  shouted at us. And then you see him ran to
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  Japan like on a sign. I'm like bollocks, not me.
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  Well, you 2 are trying to blend the Jakes to your advantage.
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  But I was going to ask is that is there a way we can
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  differentiate? Because if I'm going to say,
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  hey, Jake, I don't know who I'm going to.
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  Have you got a nickname? Maybe like sometimes people call
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  me Smithy, but that's just just my last name.
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  I've quite a boring name like Jake Smith.
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  So I don't know that's that's it really.
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  I can take round to Japan if you want it, RTJ, whatever.
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  I feel like that's probably surpassed my actual name now.
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  I get shouted that more. Actually, during races I hear
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  way more round to Japan than I do Jake, which is a little
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  weird. But yeah, it's pretty cool.
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  What will If you make the Tokyo start line on the weekend, what
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  will the locals shout? They what would I say?
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  They they love so in Japanese words instead of like, you know,
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  we shout like let's go, come on, they shout fight.
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  So it literally in Japanese. It's like with a Japanese
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  accent. It will sound like fight though.
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  Fight though. It's just the whole way you get
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  people yelling at you fight though, and it doesn't literally
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  mean like you're scrapping. But to them, I don't know how
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  there's some mistranslation there that they think it means
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  like keep going, like keep running, that kind of thing.
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  Little do not know in English, it's like you want to scrap type
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  of thing. But yeah, that gets you going.
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  You hear a lot of that. And how does that differ to like
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  Gambare? Or is it the same thing man?
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  Yeah, pretty much exact same meaning.
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  It has a bit of Japanese there. Where?
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  Where's that come from, Ryan? From from marigami last year.
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  I was, I was leaning into it like, oh, I could get a little
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  tattooing in kanji here, but I never.
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  Gambara. Yeah.
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  You get Gambara and fight, though.
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  They're like the classic teeth throughout.
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  The atmosphere in Tokyo will be, I imagine, pretty insane as
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  well, and warm. Yeah, actually pretty cool.
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  It's I feel like the crowds are massive.
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  I mean, I've never done London so it's hard to compare.
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  But yeah, they love it just because the running coach is so
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  big here that even sort of casuals like people with no
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  interest in running, they will get up for it like with the
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  Hakon Echiden and stuff. It's weird though that almost
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  this university Echiden race relay race is actually bigger
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  than Tokyo Marathon itself. Crazy.
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  So like a Tokyo is huge, but just nothing compares to that.
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  Like 100, What is it like 50 million people watching the
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  Haqqani? I don't know how many watch
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  Tokyo, but yeah, this should be a good few out on the street.
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  Well, yeah, in London you'll have the BBC broadcast.
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  Hopefully you'll you'll catch the airwaves there.
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  I was thinking that there is a crazy world depending how how
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  Japanese you want to attack the race, where you all go through
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  the halfway split together. It could be a dangerous way to
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  run it. Same question that I asked the
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  Tim to you ran to Japan, Jake, kind of what was the process of
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  you getting a start at London? How, when did you like first
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  think of it as an option given you've kind of got races so
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  easily at your disposal over there?
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  What made you want to go to London?
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  Well, The thing is, it's actually the only race that I've
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  never been a get an entry into. I've managed to get into any
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  other race I've ever wanted to, except my own local hometown
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  race. But the last two years,
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  actually, I've tried getting in. There was some weird rules last
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  year. I was treated as a foreigner.
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  So they were like, you can't get a British star because you're
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  living in Japan. They're like, you've got to tick
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  the foreigner entry box, which is like 2:06 or something.
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  Like what is happening is like, I'm actually from London and I
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  can't get a place in, yeah, my own hometown race, whereas Tokyo
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  will happily give me one. So at that point I was nearly
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  like, oh, like I'm sacking this off.
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  I'm, I'm just going full Japanese.
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  But luckily this year, last minute, actually, I think it was
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  because a couple people pulled out and so I managed to get
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  squeezed in like just before they announced it ends up
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  getting, I don't know if you saw the entry list, but I got
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  announced as Jack Barakla. In fact, maybe that's the
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  nickname. I've got to be jacked from now
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  on because that's apparently what the organizers think.
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  I have, couldn't believe it, disrespect.
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  I can't remember what website it was, I'll have to dig it out for
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  you. I was looking for the like elite
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  start list a few weeks ago and they had an FAQ section and in
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  the FAQ section was is ran to Japan running?
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  I was here. Let's go get the people talking.
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  I guess logistically you've got it a bit tougher than Jake to
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  commute to London. So when are you heading over
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  back home? Yeah, especially with how well
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  the Valencia Marathon went. I feel like travel I I don't do
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  too well with the long distance travel.
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  I think before Valencia it was Copenhagen and that's where I
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  nearly lost my arm due to an infection.
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  So yeah, I'm not going to. I'm a little concerned.
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  I don't know how to play it, whether with Valencia I came out
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  10 days early. So I was thinking nice and safe,
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  like beat the jet lag, adjust all of that.
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  But then almost like I'm now wondering, do I fly out
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  literally the day before, like 2 days before, almost try and get
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  my body to not even realise what's going on, just try and
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  jump straight in Because I think I'm so set up in my like routine
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  in Japan. I'm such a routine person.
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  It's like I know exactly when I train, I know what I eat, I know
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  like everything's kind of structured.
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  So then it must be something about changing time zones
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  changing like even the diet, like everything changes, but
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  then it must just throw everything out of sync.
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  So it's one of them where, yeah, I'm, I'm still sort of weighing
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  up how I play it with travel, but hopefully I can, yeah,
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  survive it this time. And.
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  What about you, Jake? Are you going down a couple of
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  days before you were in like the Elite Hotel or anything or?
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  I normally go to see my girlfriend's parents house which
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  is next to literally, well, how I describe.
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  It's Stonehenge and I don't like staying in elite hotel until
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  it's like the day before because like if Jake's there might
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  change my mind a bit. But I feel like sometimes with
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  athletes that I want to talk about on F1 football, like pets
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  and stuff. But then when you go there
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  sometimes in an elite hotel environment, it's just like, oh,
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  what pace did you run last week? And I'm like, I just can't be
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  arsed with that. And I think it like get to my
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  head a little bit. So I never go until like they're
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  like technical meeting on the Saturday and then stay in the
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  hotel that night. But I will probably because from
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  Cardiff it's, it's really easy, but I'll probably travelled to
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  my girlfriend's parents which who live just outside like
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  Salisbury area. So it's like, you know, a little
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  train towards London. Try and wear a mask all through
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  London because I reckon the illness rate will be quite high
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  around London Marathon. But yeah, but then I think I
• 20:48
  have to do some stuff with, you know, the new DSM team.
• 20:51
  So they might want me there a few days earlier anyway.
• 20:56
  Yeah, it's it'd be good. I'm just, like you said, just
• 20:59
  hoping we have a good day, good weather day and excited to see,
• 21:02
  well, both of these guys now in London.
• 21:05
  But if both of them are coming earlier, I might go down a bit
• 21:08
  earlier. But if those two aren't staying
• 21:09
  going earlier, I will not be going earlier.
• 21:12
  That's that's all I'm saying. Nice.
• 21:15
  Well, Tim, we know that you're heading over a little bit early
• 21:18
  to get on the time zone with plenty of time.
• 21:20
  What's your travel plans look like?
• 21:22
  Take three, we'll see how we go. Heading this Friday to London.
• 21:29
  Nick has a house in Teddington, so myself and Liam Bowden will
• 21:34
  be based there for probably 8 weeks.
• 21:37
  Or the better part of we're entered in Bashir's half or
• 21:42
  Bashir's run in Ghent in Belgium.
• 21:44
  Yeah, about 10 days away. And then the plans to try and
• 21:48
  sneak up to the Asec's house in front remote, which you guys are
• 21:52
  now a bit more than me on seasons and stuff, but it could
• 21:55
  be a bit of like, I don't know if it'll be too cold or too
• 21:59
  snowy. So that's an idea, but if not,
• 22:03
  we'll be in Teddington the whole time.
• 22:05
  That's bushy, isn't it? That's the bushy.
• 22:07
  Yeah, yeah. Oh I'm, I'm actually going
• 22:11
  sports. I'll let you know, but I'm going
• 22:13
  there in like 3 weeks for like just for two days or something.
• 22:16
  Yeah, if you want. To meet for.
• 22:18
  A Yeah, let's get a coffee, go for a run, have a meal.
• 22:21
  So it that. 'D be great.
• 22:24
  So do you fly with Liam as well then?
• 22:26
  So Liam's the other Australian representative in the elite
• 22:29
  field, isn't he? Yeah.
• 22:30
  So we're flying together with, I can't remember which point it
• 22:35
  cut out before, but yeah, we've both been at Falls Creek
• 22:37
  together, we share rooms together.
• 22:39
  We were lucky enough to be in Tokyo together trying to get
• 22:43
  off, so know each other very well.
• 22:45
  And yeah, looking forward to the next 8 weeks.
• 22:49
  Yeah, nice. Well, typically it's been Brett
• 22:51
  and Jack representing Australia over in London.
• 22:54
  So now it's it's you and Liam this time around.
• 22:58
  So that'll be fun. Yeah, came for as I was like
• 23:02
  hinting out before, it's just like a whole new experience,
• 23:04
  like the majors. And what excites me about London
• 23:07
  is I don't know, like sure, running a time in a marathon
• 23:12
  scored in like London's a fast course, don't get me wrong, but
• 23:15
  it's just like the prestige of the race.
• 23:17
  Like it just feels special talking about it and even seeing
• 23:21
  the stylist and how stuck it is on both the men's and women's
• 23:25
  side. It's it feels like as an
• 23:28
  Australian an opportunity that doesn't come around very much
• 23:31
  and maybe something that we're very lucky that now have Sydney.
• 23:34
  But yeah, I'm really, really excited to take part in Mind It.
• 23:39
  Just on not mentioning Sydney, Jake Smith, I wonder if you can
• 23:43
  talk to this. Is there any chatter amongst
• 23:45
  European athletes with an appetite to do Sydney or is it
• 23:49
  kind of not really going there yet?
• 23:51
  Because it's the same sort of time as Europeans, isn't it?
• 23:54
  It's is it August time? Yeah.
• 23:58
  It's a shame because everyone over here, a lot of, a lot of, a
• 24:03
  lot of the London base I, I, well, I say I might get hate for
• 24:07
  this, but they all love a flat race.
• 24:10
  And then as soon as I heard Sydney and hills, I was, that's
• 24:13
  the first one I wanted to do. So I love a Hillier race.
• 24:17
  There hasn't been any talk about going over, which is a bit of a
• 24:21
  shame. I understand it is a far, far
• 24:24
  away, but then all these strings come over for months, like
• 24:27
  months and times do racism here, but it's it's, it's the same old
• 24:32
  races. The guys in the UK do Valencia
• 24:35
  half, Valencia Marathon, Valencia 10K.
• 24:37
  It's just if you're not in Valencia, there's no point.
• 24:40
  Like everyone goes to Valencia and it's a bit of a shame
• 24:43
  there's no no one else goes anywhere else, if that makes
• 24:47
  sense. They don't do, but I, I lucky
• 24:49
  you boy, where you both have just raced in different places
• 24:53
  in Japan. It's all different areas.
• 24:55
  Whereas it's got to a point in the UK where if you don't turn
• 24:58
  up to Valencia, you every race you do that's not Valencia.
• 25:03
  You'll say I could run a minute quicker than Valencia.
• 25:05
  It's almost got to that point and it's getting a bit negative.
• 25:07
  Almost no one wants to just go to these bloody.
• 25:10
  That's why I do park rents. I love a bloody park rent.
• 25:12
  No one that goes to these bloody silly old races and just runs
• 25:16
  hard. Everyone needs to like the
• 25:17
  perfect weather, the perfect temperature.
• 25:20
  So I doubt many people go to Sydney.
• 25:22
  The only probably people who go to Sydney is to collect the is
• 25:25
  it the seven medals or six medals to, you know, the all the
• 25:28
  majors? Yeah.
• 25:31
  So it's it's a bit of a shame, but yeah, it's on my bucket
• 25:35
  list. It'll be interesting for sure.
• 25:37
  I mean, it's only brand new as a major, isn't it?
• 25:39
  So perhaps over like the next 5 or 10 years, it'll become part
• 25:43
  of people's plans. But yeah, I wouldn't expect
• 25:46
  maybe initially everyone will jump to it.
• 25:50
  In terms of current form, what's been going on, Tim, you've just
• 25:53
  recently been to Japan yourself and raced to Maragami.
• 25:56
  You ran 6335 there in the half marathon.
• 25:59
  How did you find that as an experience?
• 26:01
  Snow beating around the Bush, They're like overall tough day.
• 26:07
  I put a really good month of training together before it, so
• 26:09
  it's one of those ones where you're like, you're almost
• 26:11
  scratching your head a little bit.
• 26:14
  So yeah, still trying to get to the bottom of that at the
• 26:16
  moment. Can't say too much yet on that,
• 26:20
  but I think we'll hopefully see a bit more out of me in Bashir's
• 26:24
  half. But it's been the first time in
• 26:26
  my career and I'm really happy to speak open about this.
• 26:30
  Where sometimes like the training, you're doing the work
• 26:34
  and then sometimes it just doesn't click.
• 26:36
  So going through that at the moment.
• 26:39
  But once again, I'm healthy and I'm really happy to be healthy
• 26:43
  because it was only a year ago had first major injury,
• 26:47
  fracturing sacrum. So I've got to remind myself of
• 26:50
  that. And you know, like, even though
• 26:52
  maybe I'm not PD shape, I'm really in terms of training not
• 26:57
  that far off. And it feels like if I can get
• 26:59
  things to click, I've still got 8 weeks I'm there and
• 27:02
  thereabouts. So that's what we're working on
• 27:05
  at the moment. Few form things and bits and
• 27:07
  pieces. And yeah, trying to almost put
• 27:10
  together more than the one puzzle piece of why marigami
• 27:15
  didn't go so good. And I don't expect Bashir's run
• 27:18
  to maybe be, let's say, PBI. Think I'm hoping to be somewhere
• 27:22
  along the lines of that, that it's a pretty unique spot and I
• 27:25
  enjoy the challenge of yeah, trying to get back to my best.
• 27:30
  How did you find the overall vibes and stuff of Marigoni?
• 27:33
  Was that your first time in Japan?
• 27:36
  I've, I've been there a fair bit, Jake.
• 27:38
  So like if anything, it was probably the most disappointing,
• 27:40
  I think just because I my PB is actually run there from two
• 27:44
  years ago and I just felt so different that day compared to
• 27:48
  this year. Like I went out at the same pace
• 27:50
  and it just felt like I've been shot through taking.
• 27:53
  So y'all have a good day or not so good day there.
• 27:58
  But love Japan. The winter races are just nuts.
• 28:02
  But yeah, Jake, I'll never run a marathon in the summer there
• 28:04
  again. That is hard.
• 28:08
  You just want to leave Japan. I'm I'm already planning out my
• 28:10
  summer. I want to hear up Australia
• 28:12
  actually, just about what, four months, I reckon, where it's
• 28:15
  unlivable in Japan, but at least, yeah, they may cut
• 28:18
  through winter. Just those, it's pretty much
• 28:21
  back to about weeks almost. You just got that train of like
• 28:25
  60 minute half marathon 6162. It's like, yeah, if you have a
• 28:29
  good day, you just jump on that. Then you see people actually pop
• 28:32
  off. But yeah, I know.
• 28:34
  You mean if you're feeling rough in one of those races, it's like
• 28:37
  especially how aggressive people start, it can end up being a
• 28:39
  painful day. There's always just bodies
• 28:41
  littering the course. Like even if you blow up, you
• 28:45
  know, there'll be a ton of Japanese guys blowing up so much
• 28:47
  worse just with how sort of yeah, all out they guys the all
• 28:51
  or nothing approach. Yeah, it's a pretty cool race to
• 28:55
  be a part of. And yeah, I'd like to.
• 28:58
  I think I've still got a little bit more I can squeeze out of
• 29:00
  myself there, so I'd love to get back to, yeah, maybe next year
• 29:03
  or so, or run Kobe as well. Jake and I loved that race.
• 29:08
  I think they've changed it now so it doesn't have the bridge
• 29:11
  anymore, but yeah, really cool man.
• 29:13
  Quicker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a good start.
• 29:17
  Yeah, get over there for. Sure.
• 29:18
  Yeah. How did you plan for Tokyo in
• 29:21
  September, Tim, knowing it was going to be that hot?
• 29:24
  Like how could you even think about paces?
• 29:26
  Was it all just effort based? Yeah, great question.
• 29:30
  It was like purely effort based and I was doing sessions at like
• 29:36
  midday here which was getting close to 28 but the on the worst
• 29:41
  days. But the problem was there was no
• 29:43
  humidity so we did two blocks. I think I did 3 weeks in Cairns
• 29:49
  12 weeks out and then our pre departure camp was also in
• 29:52
  Cairns probably from close to let's say 3 weeks out from race
• 29:57
  day. I was doing saunas within a
• 30:00
  minute of finishing a run on the treadmill.
• 30:04
  So I did did just about everything we thought we could
• 30:07
  have, did precooling. That was massive, to be honest.
• 30:12
  And then we kind of just got in the race and our whole as a
• 30:15
  nation, we were just trying to, if anything, sit back and get
• 30:19
  the stragglers. And even that strategy, I
• 30:22
  learned a lot in the heat. You just don't get the time
• 30:25
  back. So we kind of went out pretty
• 30:27
  slow and I was expecting to feel good and you don't get the time
• 30:31
  back and you still feel bad. So it was, it was cool
• 30:34
  experience, but yeah, very happy to finish a point people that
• 30:38
  didn't. But yeah, I'd like to put the
• 30:42
  heat on the back burners for a bit, I think, with the marathon.
• 30:47
  Alluding to what Jake was just saying before Jake Smith about
• 30:50
  fast and flat marathons. It's nice to kind of get one of
• 30:53
  those ones on the about where the conditions aren't in your
• 30:56
  favor and it really kind of like pushes you psychologically.
• 31:00
  Yeah, yeah. I'll never forget the last two
• 31:03
  care of that marathon, like the marathon and everyone listening
• 31:07
  to this will easily be able to relate like your best day at the
• 31:09
  marathon to you, let's say your worst day or your hardest day.
• 31:12
  It's like a different sport and Tokyo felt a lot like that.
• 31:16
  And I can look back and laugh on it now, but it it just blows
• 31:19
  your mind. And staying on the current form,
• 31:23
  fame, Jake Smith, you've just gone sub 62 again for the first
• 31:27
  time in a while. Congratulations.
• 31:30
  Are you stoked with that? Yeah, it was, it's actually my
• 31:34
  second fastest time ever. So if you take away the 6030
• 31:39
  around, but I, I don't say shit myself with that.
• 31:42
  I felt like I was cheating back then.
• 31:43
  So I was 10 kilos later, I was, I was basically just a stick and
• 31:48
  I was doing it so unhealthily. So to actually run the time now
• 31:53
  with the healthiest body I've ever had, I will message you
• 31:56
  anyway after it because we went through 10K in 2858 and I'd only
• 32:03
  run 2846 like in the last three years since my, you know, my
• 32:08
  sacrum injury, my red ass and everything.
• 32:11
  I was running with Joe Wakefield and I was running with the boys
• 32:14
  who run 2740 the month before. And I just committed to it.
• 32:18
  And Wiggy looks like he was bloody walking.
• 32:20
  It was, it's just, it's just a horrible, horrible feeling when
• 32:23
  like you're coming down and they're stepping up.
• 32:25
  It's like that in between pace. But when I crossed that line, it
• 32:30
  was, yeah, it was like it was another big step forward, like
• 32:34
  6147. And as soon as I finished, I
• 32:39
  already thought of how I could improve on that.
• 32:42
  So like my last five Ki didn't exactly slow down too much like
• 32:46
  other people slowed down a bit more than me, but I just needed
• 32:49
  to, I just need to put together a few more, like you said,
• 32:53
  training blocks. But the way I'm looking at it is
• 32:54
  making these small progress. So every race I start now, I'm
• 32:58
  making a small progress instead of beforehand when I was
• 33:01
  struggling, my food and everything, I'd make such large
• 33:04
  leaps. Maybe that was because I would
• 33:05
  drop a lot of weight or something, but it caused me to
• 33:08
  have constant injuries and illness.
• 33:10
  Whereas now it's like I'm just every race I'm doing just this
• 33:16
  little bit better and then I get I can recover.
• 33:19
  I don't know whether that's the the massive wine glass of babies
• 33:23
  the next day that helps me or my thought process, but it's yeah,
• 33:28
  it's going really well at the minute.
• 33:30
  So I'm very happy. Yeah, nice.
• 33:32
  Did you have a few Sangrias in Barcelona to celebrate?
• 33:35
  No, no, because we had to leave that evening.
• 33:38
  I don't recommend doing a race and leaving that evening ever
• 33:42
  again. So the next day I got home.
• 33:45
  I think I walked about 10 minutes that day, 15 minutes
• 33:50
  that day, had a 2 hour nap. I found the biggest wine glass I
• 33:53
  could and poured Terry's chocolate orange babies into it.
• 33:57
  My girlfriend had a wine next to me.
• 33:59
  I bought 40 Part 2 steaks for £40 because you know, red meat
• 34:03
  and stuff from the butchers. I was properly celebrating that
• 34:06
  evening. But yeah, it's.
• 34:08
  And then just back to the drawing board I guess.
• 34:10
  And another half in two and a bit weeks where after race
• 34:14
  against Wakefield again, which is going to be tough.
• 34:17
  But now it's it's another step forward.
• 34:19
  Did some testing yesterday. So the numbers in a very in a
• 34:21
  very good spot and I just need to stay just keep saying drew
• 34:26
  free. So that's that's my end.
• 34:29
  That testing you done, Did I read it right that you recorded
• 34:33
  2.8 millimile at like 23 K an hour?
• 34:36
  No, not 23/20. It was so I deal with Danny
• 34:39
  Jones, so he works with Paula when she ran 215 so he can
• 34:44
  associate. It's three minute basis, 3
• 34:47
  minute intervals. You start 15K an hour, go up to
• 34:49
  23 K an hour and the 23 K an hour you're running a 236 K and
• 34:54
  you have to carry on for three minutes.
• 34:55
  So it's, it's tough. And last year I couldn't
• 34:58
  complete the 23 K an hour. I could only do a minute.
• 35:01
  But this year I completed the whole thing and I I almost
• 35:04
  thought about starting 24K an hour, but then it was like
• 35:07
  that's a 62nd 400. And my KPB is about that.
• 35:12
  And so I'm like, OK, there's not much point as well because the
• 35:15
  value you wouldn't get the same numbers.
• 35:17
  But it was like the numbers were it was like 20 K an hour.
• 35:20
  Monaptic was 1.8 at 19 was 1.3. At 20 was 1.8.
• 35:26
  At 21 was 2.8, at 22 was 4.3. So it's like, but then of course
• 35:34
  you have to look in my LT1 could be 1.21.3, my LT2 could be under
• 35:38
  like 2.72 point 6. I'm finding out.
• 35:42
  I'll let you know in the next podcast, but I'll let you know
• 35:44
  exactly my LT2LT1 scores. But the shift from last year.
• 35:49
  I just wanted to see what my numbers were.
• 35:53
  Unfortunately, I'll get like my what my VO2 in my running
• 35:57
  economy. But of course my running economy
• 35:59
  is my best thing. But it wasn't as good as when I
• 36:02
  was 55 kilos because it has to divide by your weight.
• 36:05
  And now I'm I'm a strong 67 kilos, but I have grown 1
• 36:09
  centimeter. I promise I'm 1.71100 and 71cm
• 36:15
  instead of 170. Maybe they just miscalculated,
• 36:18
  but my running economy won't be as good as when I was really
• 36:22
  like. But the actual numbers compared
• 36:24
  to when I was at my fittest are the same.
• 36:27
  So it's it's, it's getting there.
• 36:29
  It's really, it's getting there. And I like working.
• 36:31
  It's just to show that the training is working.
• 36:35
  But I'm very into double thresholds.
• 36:36
  So I like seeing just to make sure I get the right numbers if
• 36:40
  that makes sense and work the right zones.
• 36:42
  So what are you sorry? Do both of you do lactate and
• 36:47
  threshold and stuff? No.
• 36:49
  I just I do. I've we've dabbled in a little
• 36:52
  bit before, but I'd say there's not many Australian groups that
• 36:56
  do just yet. Like there's bits and pieces.
• 37:01
  I definitely think it's more practiced in Europe than
• 37:04
  Australia. Yeah.
• 37:06
  So I was wondering because it feels like back home everyone's
• 37:08
  talking about it. I don't think they've even
• 37:10
  discovered or know what lactate or a threshold even is over here
• 37:15
  is purely the old school like flog yourself in every session
• 37:20
  that on the floor if you haven't yeah, you're able to walk at the
• 37:23
  end. You've not gone hard enough, but
• 37:25
  it's always it's quite interesting then how I guess
• 37:28
  different the approach you're going to be like hearing you far
• 37:31
  away with the numbers. Yeah, I find it interesting, but
• 37:34
  I think for me, yeah, I I like the feeling of being absolutely
• 37:38
  fucked at the end of a session. I thought, I mean, it looks
• 37:41
  like, yeah, you do still actually hammer it sometimes.
• 37:43
  But yeah, for me it should purely pace effort.
• 37:47
  That's it. I think what I do is because of
• 37:51
  damage I did to my body a couple years ago, where I did probably
• 37:56
  I did completely overlook everything and overlook my
• 38:00
  body's health. So that's why they brought it in
• 38:03
  now purely to make sure I don't go back to that that way.
• 38:08
  And also because with the numbers it so you know, like for
• 38:12
  example, if you do one in the morning, one in the evening,
• 38:14
  your numbers can be a bit suppressed.
• 38:17
  So like on a Saturday, I'll do AVO 2 specific.
• 38:19
  So if my lactic number is low, it probably means I've under
• 38:23
  fueled the day before that day. So it kind of ensures I don't go
• 38:27
  back to what was happening before.
• 38:30
  That's more how I use it. But yeah, it's like I said, I'm
• 38:37
  such a geek with these numbers. I could bore you both the days
• 38:41
  and days about it. But then of course like every
• 38:45
  like in the Britain is just what, three or two hour flight
• 38:49
  from here. The whole training method up
• 38:50
  here is just latte, latte, latte, and I do see it, but I
• 38:55
  just use it almost for my personal health to make sure I
• 38:58
  don't go back, I don't go backwards, if that makes sense.
• 39:02
  That's probably a good call. Yeah, keep it controlled.
• 39:04
  It's true with these how in Europe it's like I was up doing
• 39:08
  some testing with Nomio up in Sweden and yeah, the the guy was
• 39:12
  asking me Lord, so like what are your lactates?
• 39:14
  What what you pasted you on this?
• 39:16
  I was like, mate, firstly, I've never stepped on a treadmill in
• 39:20
  the last five years. So secondly, I don't have a clue
• 39:23
  what my threshold pace is. And he was just mind blown, like
• 39:26
  they they couldn't understand. I guess it's so embedded in the
• 39:29
  like Scandinavian culture and pretty much it seems like Europe
• 39:32
  as well that everyone's now on it, that then he just he was
• 39:36
  just completely might. I just thought I was an absolute
• 39:38
  moron. I think just like how how I've
• 39:40
  been training. But I've got to say I was
• 39:43
  interested, like getting my numbers and stuff back.
• 39:45
  But yeah, maybe in the future. We said what did you do with
• 39:49
  them straight out the window? Yeah, yeah, Like these look
• 39:52
  great. All right.
• 39:54
  Time's absolutely flogged the next session.
• 39:58
  Tim, do you use heart rate a lot then to kind of control your
• 40:01
  sessions and stuff or how do you do it?
• 40:03
  Yeah, I train typically to like heart rate and I'll notice like
• 40:09
  one thing I noticed with mine is like I gauge fatigue also on my
• 40:14
  easy runs with it. And what I'll look for is it not
• 40:17
  actually getting up to my normal ranges if you like.
• 40:22
  And then I just use a wrist like Garmin, which isn't too
• 40:27
  accurate. But my thing is, if you use the
• 40:30
  same inaccurate sensor every day, there's some sort of truth
• 40:33
  to it. So yeah, pretty, I don't know if
• 40:36
  you call it old school or not, but yeah, I'll promptly rely off
• 40:40
  heart rate. And I've been using the same
• 40:42
  sensor so long that I can't have my own normative data that way.
• 40:48
  What kind of heart rate range is marathon effort then?
• 40:52
  Depending on the climate it can be.
• 40:55
  I noticed back home it'll be a little bit higher.
• 40:59
  Previous marathons, 165 to low one 70s and then back into the
• 41:05
  race. If I'm having a good one, I've,
• 41:07
  yeah, got the ability to go a bit higher.
• 41:11
  See that? That amazes me because for
• 41:13
  London last year, mine was, yeah, that was Outset.
• 41:16
  Mine is 178 for London last year.
• 41:19
  But it's just you just like, because I'm, I take all my heart
• 41:22
  rate as well and I find it absolutely fascinating.
• 41:24
  And I think Jake, me and you have very, very similar heart
• 41:27
  rates. I've noticed in races and stuff.
• 41:31
  But when I see like people like yourself and have like can hold
• 41:34
  165, it's the same as Dan Nash 165 per marathon.
• 41:37
  I'm just like no, I just, I can't comprehend it.
• 41:43
  But then again, like mine doesn't.
• 41:44
  Get up. Yeah, like I can't really get
• 41:47
  above 180. Like even this morning I think
• 41:49
  we did 8 by K that was like peaked at 181.
• 41:52
  So then we're still working pretty hard.
• 41:55
  And yeah, I'm not even sure I'd be able to get past 195 if I
• 41:58
  tried. Because yesterday I got to 199
• 42:02
  and I think I could maybe push over 2 hundreds, but then it's
• 42:06
  like like that's I just find it heart rate.
• 42:08
  So fascinating how everyone is so different, but then it's
• 42:12
  yeah, sorry, I, I, no, I like to talk about.
• 42:15
  That we had a go on our group that hit 2:15 and then another
• 42:19
  guy who like pretty much couldn't break 170.
• 42:22
  Both very good runners and whatnot, but it was like did
• 42:25
  just even the genetic difference between high rate?
• 42:29
  I don't know. Is there actually an answer for
• 42:31
  that? Yes.
• 42:32
  As to like how two people could be the exact same fitness, run
• 42:36
  the exact same marathon time, yet be operating at completely
• 42:39
  different heart rates just because of Physiology.
• 42:43
  As far as I'm aware, I'm pretty sure there's no link and it's
• 42:46
  completely irrelevant, but could be wrong.
• 42:50
  So that's why it's important to only ever don't don't compare
• 42:54
  your heart rates between training buddies.
• 42:56
  It's just looking at your own and your own zones.
• 42:59
  Yeah, I, I believe so. And to be honest, if I was
• 43:02
  probably being, oh, as best practice as I could be, I'd
• 43:06
  probably be taking lactates too, even if it was like a pre
• 43:09
  session, post session and mid session thing.
• 43:14
  Yeah, that's something to think about.
• 43:15
  Like I was tossing it up in December.
• 43:18
  The main thing for me is actually just the cost of the
• 43:20
  strips and like try to work out a cost effective way to do it.
• 43:24
  But once again, it's like we're this far in the sport, we
• 43:27
  probably should just bite the bullet and do it.
• 43:30
  I was going to move the conversation on a little bit if
• 43:33
  you guys are happy to. We've, we've got lost in a bit
• 43:36
  of detail there. But the next kind of thing I was
• 43:38
  going to speak about was just to kind of talk about the different
• 43:42
  coaching setups and different brand sponsors you each may
• 43:46
  have. So potentially, let's start with
• 43:49
  Japanese. Jake, are you still self coached
• 43:52
  and who's supporting you? I'm indeed, I'm uncoachable
• 43:57
  mate. No, no coach is taking me on.
• 44:01
  Yeah, so I've got Brooks very kindly sponsoring me and Post
• 44:08
  Tokyo got some pretty big changes.
• 44:11
  Again, got to say that for the YouTube channel.
• 44:14
  I apologise the no teasers here, but you just have to, yeah, keep
• 44:18
  an eye on the channel because actually I'd say Tokyo
• 44:21
  Marathon's big, but the changes that are going to happen after
• 44:26
  it's so much bigger than one race, like even London Marathon,
• 44:29
  I'd say it's a pretty game changing little set up change
• 44:36
  from I guess what I've been having the last year or so, two
• 44:39
  years. So I'm pretty excited for that.
• 44:41
  But yeah, currently up until now I've just been pretty much self
• 44:44
  coaching, looking at other runners and stuff like taking
• 44:48
  pieces from them. For last year's Tokyo Marathon,
• 44:51
  I literally copied to the tee like identically the old
• 44:55
  training plan from this like 1970s Japanese guy.
• 44:59
  And so I went back to it this year.
• 45:00
  I was like, it worked a treat last time.
• 45:02
  I've been following similar. I've been actually jumping in.
• 45:05
  That's where I'm at now on this training camp with one of the
• 45:08
  sort of company teams here. So I've been trying to recently
• 45:12
  like jump in with as many other groups as possible, like other
• 45:15
  people, because I find I just respond so well to like having
• 45:19
  training partners that I've tried to sort of more.
• 45:23
  Before it was like, very much, I'm going to do this, do this
• 45:26
  way. Whereas now I'm like, I don't
• 45:28
  really care what the session is. If I can do a session with a
• 45:31
  group and it's roughly people with similar ability or ideally
• 45:35
  better than me, then I'm going to pick that any day.
• 45:38
  So it's like just basically seeking out, yeah, faster
• 45:41
  runners than me to then drag me along.
• 45:45
  On Tokyo, do you think, is it Seguru Asako?
• 45:48
  Has he got any chance of winning on the weekend?
• 45:50
  That was Dean's fantasy pick. That would be a legendary
• 45:55
  hometown pool. I think winning though, I mean,
• 45:58
  to win Tokyo, you've got to be 202 basically, which I think is
• 46:04
  going to be a stretch when if, I mean Valencia, you just hit
• 46:06
  Thunder, what is it, 2:05, which is unreal.
• 46:11
  But then I think there's a couple other Japanese runners
• 46:14
  who I'd have backed ahead of him to win who've got a better
• 46:18
  chance than him. Actually, I think I was just
• 46:20
  listening to your pods earlier, but you know, the Osaka race.
• 46:25
  So the OR the guy who he ended up running like 209 or
• 46:30
  something, but he's run the equivalent.
• 46:31
  I think it's a 58 minute half marathon.
• 46:34
  And he's also, there's a current student in Japan who's also
• 46:39
  equivalent 58 minute half. Like obviously it's during these
• 46:42
  relay races. So it's not an official split,
• 46:44
  but he's yeah this like 20 year old who I think personally is
• 46:48
  going to run about 203 walks still at uni like mental, but
• 46:54
  he's neither of them are running.
• 46:55
  So I think, yeah, it's going to be pretty tough for a Japanese
• 46:57
  boy to win it. That's sick.
• 47:00
  And the, that Ethan Shuley guy, the American, he was the guy who
• 47:05
  was on your video the other week.
• 47:06
  That's the fellow you're referring to.
• 47:08
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:10
  I feel like now everyone's suddenly talking about him.
• 47:13
  He's, I featured him actually, we ran when he ran his 218 last
• 47:17
  year. We're in the same race.
• 47:19
  And even then he was talking about like sub 2/10.
• 47:22
  He was aiming for sub 210 in that race.
• 47:24
  He's so I said it straight after.
• 47:28
  I think he'll beat Connor Manse's American Record.
• 47:32
  I think he's the most talented runner I've ever seen easily.
• 47:35
  Like to basically retire from the sport and then come back and
• 47:41
  within, yeah, a year, under a year, he's gone from like 220
• 47:44
  shape 2207. And what's mad is he was on he
• 47:48
  was on sub 205 pace. That's just like absolute
• 47:52
  bullies on him to just commit to that.
• 47:54
  So he's actually one of the guys that I've been training with
• 47:57
  recently or trying to just hanging on for dear life at the
• 48:01
  back because yeah, he's like crazy talent.
• 48:05
  Fair play. And Tim, what's your set up in
• 48:07
  terms of sponsorship and support?
• 48:09
  Then let's see the top you had on earlier.
• 48:12
  Yeah, I'm running for ASICS. And so, yeah, that's as of
• 48:17
  January this year for head to toe, which I'm pretty excited
• 48:20
  about and I guess most excited for the European house and
• 48:24
  things like that. I do have this dream one day.
• 48:28
  I don't know if ASICS athletes can do it, but they do have.
• 48:30
  I think it's a JoJo camp in Kenya.
• 48:33
  I would love to get to Kenya one day, but no, I can't.
• 48:37
  That's not for another day. But yeah, loving the shoes,
• 48:42
  loving trying the different things and giving feedback on
• 48:45
  prototypes. I probably similar to Jake in
• 48:48
  that sense. I could bore you all day with
• 48:50
  shoes and all that stuff. But yes, based in Brisbane, Gold
• 48:55
  Coast based running group and coach.
• 48:57
  So I kind of, I guess correlation get sessions sent
• 49:03
  through and then link up with a few guys in Brisbane, mainly
• 49:07
  Liam Boone. And then every other day I'll
• 49:09
  just run kind of by myself here. You guys never do anything with
• 49:16
  like Ryan Gregson and Callum Davis and Demlot.
• 49:19
  One day a week. So we'll all kind of join forces
• 49:23
  together for our track Tuesday. And it's been good we've been
• 49:28
  able to do that like over the last few years I'd say.
• 49:32
  Like I wasn't doing that. We had bits and pieces, kind of
• 49:36
  a load of the shock and there's not enough runners here to
• 49:39
  really do that. We may as well all work together
• 49:41
  and we're all under the same management now, which is great.
• 49:44
  And it's funny how we've got everything from like 1500 to
• 49:49
  marathon in this Tuesday group, so everyone can kind of pull a
• 49:53
  turn at different reps and it's really quite fun.
• 49:57
  And it's my worst day of the week.
• 49:59
  I hate it. It's my weakness, so it's nice
• 50:01
  to have people pull me through. With BM with R6, do the mega
• 50:05
  blast have a space in your rotation or is it all super
• 50:08
  blast? Dude, they're, they're actually
• 50:11
  that good. I'm considering trying to take
• 50:13
  them off my feet. I don't feel the ground.
• 50:16
  I did 2 hours 40 I think on Sunday and you just, you don't
• 50:20
  even pull up sore and that's like concrete the whole week.
• 50:23
  So it, it's the craziest shoe I've ever worn.
• 50:27
  It's the only show I've ever worn as a jogger that I've
• 50:30
  considered it being like too good.
• 50:33
  So I have jumped back into Super Blast 2 a bit recently.
• 50:38
  They're also great shoe, but just a little bit firmer.
• 50:42
  Just trying to almost, yeah, beat the legs up a little bit.
• 50:46
  I understand that we're going to need a bit of that for the
• 50:50
  marathon. And I'm, I just remember my
• 50:53
  first marathon build, like the way I felt even before Frankfurt
• 50:56
  when I didn't have Mega Blasts. And yeah, I do like into the end
• 51:00
  of a long run feeling something so great.
• 51:03
  True though. Nice.
• 51:05
  Thank you. And Jake, you're with Team Nike.
• 51:09
  Yes, T Nike and the TSM, Funny, it's not TSM firm and next team.
• 51:18
  They've changed names from the NN running team.
• 51:21
  They've changed those sponsors when I was sponsored by the
• 51:25
  Huawei. So if we go for runs, I keep
• 51:29
  the, every kilometer, there's an American guy who tells you the
• 51:32
  pace you're on, your heart rate and everything very out loud.
• 51:35
  And I'm going to leave it on for London Marathon.
• 51:37
  So Jake, just beware, you'll be hearing that for 42 kilometers.
• 51:43
  Yeah. And I get, I basically just, I
• 51:46
  have to, I guess it's the same between like you just have to or
• 51:49
  the same as you have to wear pure Nike gear.
• 51:53
  You can't really wear other outfits.
• 51:57
  The only outfits you're out to wear.
• 51:58
  I would like if you go on a night out and you want to wear
• 52:00
  some, I don't know what age, not aging last bit poor, but another
• 52:05
  brand. They can't be sports brands.
• 52:09
  And yeah, it's going it's going well.
• 52:11
  I think I'm in my 4th or 5th year with both and seeing big
• 52:18
  progress. Unfortunately, they really
• 52:20
  helped me the last few years. So it's it's been really good.
• 52:25
  Was there much of an overhaul and when the sponsorship changed
• 52:27
  from NN or did it relatively remain the same?
• 52:31
  No, so we have the watch went from chorus to Huawei.
• 52:35
  The Morton has stayed and and any off is completely gone
• 52:40
  because any off was the big factor.
• 52:42
  I think DSM there are they are quite a big cycling team as
• 52:46
  well. So it's a team after sporting
• 52:48
  the tour. Now there's there's still some
• 52:52
  smaller brands I just can't get in my head.
• 52:54
  So like for example, you know, keep choking just released that
• 52:57
  running app. So yeah, so it's like it's every
• 53:03
  day I look up and I see someone else was sponsored by and I've
• 53:06
  never even heard of them, which is a can be a blessing.
• 53:09
  But you kind of want the stuff. Yeah, I'm still getting my head
• 53:12
  around it. And you get all the new kits.
• 53:16
  I'm a bit jealous because I've all dressed a complete black kit
• 53:21
  and I had to bring Mark Scott's bag over from Barcelona to send
• 53:25
  to him and he has all the different colours.
• 53:27
  So I need I'm going to send in a bit of a complaint so hopefully
• 53:32
  I'll get some more stuff. I did notice in Barcelona you're
• 53:36
  in the different singlet. Is that because you're like the
• 53:39
  the DSM group rather than just the pure Nike group?
• 53:43
  Yes, that is the DSM. They are changing colors like
• 53:47
  they're going to like because it is a bit dull.
• 53:50
  It's just it's just white like is like, yeah, it's not very
• 53:53
  nice. And they are creating a specific
• 53:59
  different color maybe for tote. They might actually be.
• 54:01
  There's a couple of guys in Tokyo this weekend.
• 54:03
  It might be done. But then but they said around
• 54:07
  March, April. Yeah.
• 54:09
  And we'll just well, I'm almost sometimes a surprise to you boys
• 54:13
  when you see something come out in the DSM some.
• 54:16
  Oh, thanks for letting me know. But yeah, it's it's good fun.
• 54:21
  It is good fun. And your coach and settle.
• 54:25
  It's with Gavin and Joe Pavey. So Joe Pavey was a five time
• 54:31
  Olympian. She won the European gold in
• 54:34
  2014 like 10 months after being pregnant at 42 or something.
• 54:40
  So I'm my favorite training partner is Ines Fitzgerald.
• 54:44
  I do have to bring my A game when I train with that girl, but
• 54:48
  I go back every like once a month because they're based in
• 54:52
  Exeter because I have a house in Cardiff.
• 54:54
  So it's like hopefully I'll do some runs with Dan Nash here.
• 54:59
  And I think you boys have a bit. I don't want to be rude to the
• 55:03
  the Welsh runners, but I think you boys.
• 55:04
  So my thoughts just on me, you boys have a lot more quality of
• 55:07
  training partners than I do here over here.
• 55:11
  And so it is a case of just absolutely a lot of solo
• 55:18
  training. But I don't mind that.
• 55:19
  And then it's quite nice when I go back to Excel, have Gav on
• 55:21
  the bike. So it works really really well.
• 55:26
  That's a nice transition into training because I was going to
• 55:29
  just ask kind of where everyone's training is up to
• 55:31
  now. Maybe just from a point of view
• 55:33
  of like what mileage looks like. And then would you look at
• 55:38
  peaking that mileage? Like are you going to increase
• 55:41
  from here towards the race or is everyone got a pretty decent
• 55:44
  training load now? We'll start with Tim.
• 55:48
  So I'm just quickly flicking up a strider.
• 55:50
  It's pretty funny. I couldn't even tell you what I
• 55:52
  did 7 days ago. Mileage has been pretty good.
• 55:56
  I had biggest week of my last 12 on the week just gone, which was
• 56:01
  pretty much spot on 200. I'm rolling the Tuesday workout
• 56:07
  that I mentioned and then last week was my first marathon
• 56:11
  workout which didn't get a plan. One day guess just kind of
• 56:17
  wasn't really ready for it and went out at a pace that we
• 56:20
  thought was going to be OK and it just wasn't.
• 56:22
  So I actually pulled the pin. It was 6 by 3K, only did 4.
• 56:27
  I got the same session this week.
• 56:28
  So in a sense it's like we've got a week in the legs.
• 56:32
  Probably a bit more ready now to tackle it and even see probably
• 56:36
  just need to move the goal posts a bit further back than what I
• 56:39
  thought by a few seconds, see how this half marathon goes.
• 56:43
  And then yeah, there's a bit to like, like mileage is there?
• 56:46
  I'm not that far off. Just feels like we got 8 weeks
• 56:50
  to try and find the key to get things to click.
• 56:55
  Sitting at 200 now, would you look to increase that between
• 56:59
  now and race day or you're kind of happy there?
• 57:01
  I don't. I feel like my body responds
• 57:03
  quite well to the mileage. There is a point like I don't
• 57:07
  know what I didn't really explored much above 220.
• 57:10
  I think before Frankfurt I might have done one week in Labigno at
• 57:16
  I'd have to look back to be honest, but I'd say 2:30 plus
• 57:19
  for one week all I was doing was eating, sleeping and running.
• 57:25
  So having this similar opportunity in London, I can't
• 57:29
  rule it out. And if the body's feeling up to
• 57:31
  it, I'd like to pick things up a bit.
• 57:33
  And once again, I don't want to lose quality in doing that.
• 57:37
  So that's a big indicator for me is like quality of training's
• 57:40
  got to stay the same, or ideally in my case, now get a bit
• 57:43
  better. And then if I can do that, then
• 57:46
  yeah, pick up knowledge of it. And then how does your sessions
• 57:52
  look like? What days are you doing them on?
• 57:56
  The marathon ones. Just your intensity throughout
• 57:59
  the week. Do you doing the kind of track
• 58:02
  stuff on a Tuesday and then will you do a Friday or a Saturday
• 58:05
  session? Yeah, exactly right.
• 58:07
  And so, yeah, track Tuesday or interval reps pretty much
• 58:11
  probably nothing over a mile. I assume marathon workouts up to
• 58:18
  25, surely not much more than that.
• 58:20
  I hope on a Friday and then depending on like the week, I
• 58:26
  don't mind doing a bit of stuff on a Sunday as well.
• 58:29
  So in the middle of a long run or at the end of it, that'll
• 58:33
  always be the marathon effort. So I've only done one, a lot of
• 58:36
  that already. I think I had 2 1/2 hours with
• 58:39
  the last 30 minutes, like a build from three 40s to 3/10.
• 58:45
  So just things where you kind of start to try and roll a bit on
• 58:48
  tired legs that might be fortnightly, something like
• 58:52
  that. Nice, sounds like you're in a
• 58:56
  good position for 9 to 8 weeks out.
• 59:00
  Yeah, happy with it. And like I said, it's it's a
• 59:03
  tricky 1. I feel like it's not necessarily
• 59:06
  a time thing that's going to unlock this door.
• 59:10
  It's probably the best analogy I've got.
• 59:13
  But yeah, I'm excited by the challenge to try and find the
• 59:16
  key and we got more than enough time to try and do that.
• 59:19
  So yeah, looking forward to. It run to Japan.
• 59:24
  How's your mileage looking? Quite polarizing, I think.
• 59:29
  Yeah, I was coming on here as the slowest PBS.
• 59:32
  I thought, at least there's one thing I know I've got in the
• 59:34
  bank. I'll be the highest mileage,
• 59:36
  man. I'm I'm currently sitting at, I
• 59:39
  think it was 77 K last week. I think my lowest maybe ever
• 59:45
  since coming to Japan, probably at least the lowest in the last
• 59:48
  year I reckon. So yeah, slightly different
• 59:52
  compared to the usual like 252 sixties.
• 59:55
  It's been a fair drop. But hopefully, yeah, bounce back
• 1:00:00
  from this little knee niggle and then the plan is.
• 1:00:04
  Yeah, I think I can. I find it almost the most comfy
• 1:00:08
  is around 26250 especially before I went higher and I will
• 1:00:15
  I think go back up to sort of two 80s and eventually I want to
• 1:00:18
  get to like 3 hundreds. But since recently the the it's
• 1:00:25
  it's the way to go. It's the logical step.
• 1:00:27
  Obviously you you must say. You're just going to have to die
• 1:00:32
  on that hill, aren't you? Yeah, the the thing recently,
• 1:00:36
  because I've been training with these like quality runners, the
• 1:00:40
  actual session like intensity stuff's gone up so much.
• 1:00:44
  Like whereas before my like half marathon pay sessions threshold
• 1:00:48
  in a way would be like 3 minutes, 305, now it's like 255.
• 1:00:52
  Like with this group that I feel like to try and survive those
• 1:00:56
  sessions, I had to cut it back a little bit, this block, focus on
• 1:01:00
  my sort of speed, which is, yeah, obviously my weakness.
• 1:01:03
  And then I think always sort of happens, like getting used to
• 1:01:06
  the quality's the hardest bit. And then it's once a body clicks
• 1:01:09
  on that, then I try and sort of just nudge up the volume a
• 1:01:12
  little bit. Because for me it's tends to be
• 1:01:14
  just the more volume I can survive while still maintaining
• 1:01:19
  quality. Like basically like what Tim
• 1:01:20
  said, once you start losing the session quality, then it's just
• 1:01:23
  waste. Like it's pointless junk mileage
• 1:01:26
  and you're killing the the actual gains there.
• 1:01:29
  But if you can still hit the session quality that I feel like
• 1:01:33
  more mileage around, that is always going to be better.
• 1:01:37
  Yeah, I did notice you'd kind of dropped a little bit from the
• 1:01:39
  dizzy heights of 300, but it does seem like you, as you say
• 1:01:43
  you you're working a little bit harder with this protein.
• 1:01:47
  Yeah, yeah, sympathetically low two 50s this, but.
• 1:01:51
  How does the body feel after 75K by the way?
• 1:01:54
  If you just like crawling the walls all of last week.
• 1:01:57
  But I tell you, I feel so much more banged up of 75 K than I
• 1:02:02
  did of 300 KS. It's like my body just doesn't
• 1:02:05
  know what is going on. Like, yeah, just every little
• 1:02:10
  ache and pain. It's almost, I always feel like
• 1:02:13
  it's as if someone was to go from nothing to 40 KA day.
• 1:02:17
  It's the same kind of reaction that my body's had going from 40
• 1:02:20
  to 0. So that's almost the biggest
• 1:02:23
  challenge coming back is trying to not get some other little
• 1:02:27
  niggle and stuff because when I'm in that routine, that
• 1:02:29
  homeostasis, that's when I feel the most good in a way.
• 1:02:34
  Like I'm tired, obviously running 250 go a week, but it's
• 1:02:37
  a good level of tired. It's like sort of normal, yeah,
• 1:02:41
  manageable level fatigue. Whereas now it's like, yeah, I
• 1:02:44
  feel rough. I feel like I've got a whole lot
• 1:02:46
  of extra energy. Today I went for a three hour
• 1:02:49
  walk to try and replace some of that mileage.
• 1:02:52
  I did the same yesterday, so yeah, you got to get it in
• 1:02:57
  somehow. Shit.
• 1:02:58
  Well, what does the rest of the week look like if in in a good
• 1:03:02
  scenario? So I've I've realised that the
• 1:03:05
  so I'm fine that walking about all of that, no pain, but it
• 1:03:08
  seems to be load related. It's like I was trying to come
• 1:03:11
  back and do like double s, like sort of normal, like some
• 1:03:15
  slightly shorter double s. Now I'm just OK one run a day,
• 1:03:19
  literally jogging. So today was 8K, survive that
• 1:03:23
  without any pain. Tomorrow probably 10, and then
• 1:03:27
  the big thing's going to be on Thursday.
• 1:03:29
  So obviously racing Sunday. On Thursday I'm going to try a
• 1:03:34
  session, like a very light session, but some few K reps at
• 1:03:38
  marathon pace because I've not done any session for the last 10
• 1:03:42
  days or something since that 30K that screwed me up.
• 1:03:46
  And basically, if I can survive that, get through no pain, then
• 1:03:49
  I'll race Tokyo. So it's pretty much, yeah, I'll
• 1:03:51
  make the call pretty late, but for me it's like London's the
• 1:03:56
  main goal. I think whatever I run at Tokyo,
• 1:03:59
  I like to think I'll go quicker at London, just another couple
• 1:04:03
  extra months training, getting some yeah, group training
• 1:04:06
  sessions, hopefully level up more.
• 1:04:08
  So Tokyo, though it'd be nice to just, yeah, bank a little PB to
• 1:04:11
  start with. It's funny isn't it, because
• 1:04:13
  fitness takes weeks to leave but confidence goes away straight
• 1:04:18
  away. Yeah, yeah, 100%.
• 1:04:21
  You sure? You, I'm not going to have lost
• 1:04:22
  any fitness, but it's that sharpness that like you can
• 1:04:26
  throw you off completely. Like you get out of that rhythm
• 1:04:29
  and hopefully it comes out a bit of race.
• 1:04:31
  Adrenaline should do the trick I guess.
• 1:04:34
  And Jake Smith, then where's your mileage at and do you plan
• 1:04:37
  to do anything different from where you are now?
• 1:04:40
  I was in Montegoro, a hit. So in January I did a bit of
• 1:04:44
  training camp. I hit 220 K, That was my biggest
• 1:04:47
  week. Last week was and lower because
• 1:04:52
  like I had a the rest day on the Monday the fall.
• 1:04:54
  I always have a rest day the day after a race, no matter what
• 1:04:57
  sort of race it is. I don't know why I prefer that
• 1:05:02
  and then building back. So I want to, I've already said
• 1:05:07
  to my coach that it was like 154 K last week.
• 1:05:10
  I want to I want to keep above the 200 K's a week, but every
• 1:05:15
  other week I'm not allowed to run on the Monday.
• 1:05:20
  So it has to be just a cross training day.
• 1:05:23
  So I still do like 2 on top. Say if I do 200 and 210 KA week,
• 1:05:28
  it'll still be I'll probably put in two cross training sessions,
• 1:05:32
  not sessions but like you know, easy a week and it's just
• 1:05:38
  basically it's like a double threshold on Tuesday, a marathon
• 1:05:41
  specific on Thursday and more VO2 based Saturday.
• 1:05:45
  I kind of the way my coach likes me to train his marathon guys,
• 1:05:50
  like a 10K guy, he likes me to get that speed work in.
• 1:05:56
  And I always find when I let that go, I don't really enjoy it
• 1:06:00
  as much because it's a session you're allowed to really hurt
• 1:06:02
  yourself. But it's like it's, again, it's
• 1:06:05
  the same thing for me. It's just keeping it really,
• 1:06:08
  really. I can't do anywhere near what
• 1:06:11
  ran to Japan's mileage does. I just, I just, I can't like, I
• 1:06:16
  just can't put into words how I can't physically see how he does
• 1:06:20
  it. I just have so much.
• 1:06:22
  I just find it fascinating. But yeah, it's I'm not allowed
• 1:06:27
  to go over. That was one of the question I
• 1:06:29
  wanted to ask if you guys go over distance from marathon
• 1:06:33
  training and the coach doesn't want me to do it this, but I was
• 1:06:36
  asking whether I should. I see people do it.
• 1:06:38
  So like A45K run, but I don't think I will do in this training
• 1:06:43
  block. So it's literally very similar
• 1:06:46
  to Tim, like 200 to 210. Maybe push a bit more on the
• 1:06:50
  peak weeks, keep the cross training in.
• 1:06:53
  I love my gym sessions. So two of them are weekends, a
• 1:06:58
  lot of two hour naps a day. That's that's the way forward.
• 1:07:03
  So is your 200 plus cross train and then or are you factoring
• 1:07:06
  the cross training? So no.
• 1:07:07
  So 200 plus, but I mean like in terms of again, probably the
• 1:07:12
  boring statistic, my heart is like 1/15, 1:20.
• 1:07:15
  So if in Barcelona I held my heart rate 184, me doing 45
• 1:07:21
  minutes at 1:15 is is isn't going to really it's just
• 1:07:25
  basically just the way I do it is just, I don't know, it almost
• 1:07:29
  feel it almost helps my legs a little bit.
• 1:07:31
  So I'm so into I bet you guys are the same like Jake was
• 1:07:33
  saying when he's gone down to 70 KS legs more battered.
• 1:07:37
  If I take away a couple of those runs and just do singles, I get
• 1:07:40
  this almost the same sensation unless it's for a race.
• 1:07:44
  It's just to keep that schedule. And I have like, I don't know if
• 1:07:47
  you guys have ever watched it. I have like ATV screen in front
• 1:07:50
  of it. I just watched shameless.
• 1:07:51
  It's a it's a very it's a weird old show.
• 1:07:54
  So just put that on and yeah, it's it's good fun.
• 1:08:00
  It's good fun. How many hours you topping off
• 1:08:02
  on the cross trainer then? Oh, so be.
• 1:08:05
  So if it's say, if it's two times, it'll be an hour and a
• 1:08:08
  half, two hours. So I'll be 45 minutes a session
• 1:08:11
  or an hour and maybe I might do a few more treadmill runs just
• 1:08:16
  in case London's a bit warmer. I'm just so we get a bit more of
• 1:08:20
  that and I guess because in the garage, you know, it gets a bit
• 1:08:24
  hotter in it anyway. But that's yeah, that's, that's
• 1:08:29
  the way forward. Just keep plugging those mile,
• 1:08:33
  those kilometers together. Nice.
• 1:08:36
  Well, before I move us on to the outro section, have you guys got
• 1:08:40
  any burning questions for each other?
• 1:08:43
  Have we covered hobbies? Outsider running.
• 1:08:49
  Has anyone mentioned how you guys have time?
• 1:08:51
  Yeah, old start since I've brought it up.
• 1:08:54
  I love the Brisbane Roar and my mates, he'll be listening to
• 1:08:57
  this, he'll be laughing. So it's like the it's called the
• 1:09:02
  A league District Soccer League. And I follow the Brisbane Roar
• 1:09:06
  for my whole life. So down the bottom of the ladder
• 1:09:09
  every year and 3000 people go and it's terrible.
• 1:09:12
  And I put my heart and soul into following that team, and that's
• 1:09:16
  what I do outside of running. Do you not get the joy in the
• 1:09:19
  success of the Lions though? I've had to because the roar is
• 1:09:23
  just so bad that like, yeah, it'd be it's almost a bit of
• 1:09:28
  torture because you go like the whole city is brought together
• 1:09:31
  by the Lions and it's been what, two years in a row?
• 1:09:33
  We've had even multiple grand finals, almost public holiday
• 1:09:39
  worthy. Like the streets are closed and
• 1:09:41
  you're just like, what could be, but it'll never be.
• 1:09:45
  So do the role play like one league lower or something?
• 1:09:49
  Oh, sorry, it's different. So the Lions are AFL and then
• 1:09:54
  the raw like soccer round ball game.
• 1:09:58
  But yeah, the Australian Football League or the AFL,
• 1:10:01
  yeah, we're doing really well in that at the moment.
• 1:10:03
  So I guess I just watch that with the rest of Brisbane who
• 1:10:06
  love it. Right now, Jake Smith has a
• 1:10:11
  rather obscure soccer team in comparison to most in Redding FC
• 1:10:16
  soccer. We're not calling you soccer,
• 1:10:21
  Ryan. You're better than that, mate.
• 1:10:22
  Come on. Yeah, I saw.
• 1:10:24
  I support Reading, but I go, so I went last Tuesday.
• 1:10:27
  I go to Tuesday night Cardiff City games with there's a few of
• 1:10:30
  us who go. My favorite sports competition
• 1:10:33
  is on at at the minute it's the Six Nations.
• 1:10:36
  I absolutely love it. I went and watched.
• 1:10:39
  I loved one Wales get batted, I actually loved that.
• 1:10:43
  So I went to three out of the four autumn internationals last
• 1:10:46
  year and I missed the game. They beat Japan in which I'm
• 1:10:49
  very happy, but they got, they lost 73 nil to South Africa.
• 1:10:54
  I'm a Reading FC fan but our fans are 1516 year olds who
• 1:10:59
  probably carry knives and thinks they can take on the world's and
• 1:11:03
  then as soon as they go outside the stadium they are scared
• 1:11:05
  shitness. Basically that's the fan base.
• 1:11:09
  And on top of the other things. I do Tuolingo every morning for
• 1:11:13
  Spanish and I collect Pokémon cards.
• 1:11:16
  So that's not that's that's me, that's me at the minute.
• 1:11:20
  I'm getting a bit jealous of how much money Jakob has spent on
• 1:11:25
  total cars, so I don't have that amount I can spend otherwise I'm
• 1:11:30
  my girlfriend. Might break up with me, but
• 1:11:33
  yeah, yeah. You see, didn't Jake Paul just
• 1:11:37
  like auction one off for like $15 million or something?
• 1:11:41
  It's yeah, I mean they have a lot more money than I.
• 1:11:44
  It's just like it's the old Gen. cards now.
• 1:11:46
  It's like they there's all these new cards, which again, it might
• 1:11:51
  be huge in Japan, but there's all these new J parts, which is
• 1:11:53
  don't look proper. They've come up with these
• 1:11:55
  random ones and everyone wants the old ones like, and he's
• 1:12:00
  yeah, he's yeah, yeah, exactly. So he, yeah, So but there's none
• 1:12:04
  of those anymore. But then it's like you go to a
• 1:12:07
  store and you buy. So for, for those types, you
• 1:12:10
  have to spend £10 on a pack, whereas these new packs like 6-7
• 1:12:14
  quid just because they're worth more.
• 1:12:18
  So yeah, I do enjoy doing that, but also on Reading, Reading are
• 1:12:22
  in League 1. So we're not We're not.
• 1:12:24
  It gets to a point, I don't know if you get it in where you watch
• 1:12:26
  your sport and you're like I I definitely if I spent a year of
• 1:12:29
  trying, I could play for that team like it is shambles.
• 1:12:32
  Yeah, what I'll have to do, maybe in Teddington because I
• 1:12:36
  bought all the A league on my phone and stuff because it's not
• 1:12:40
  really on telly. It's that bad.
• 1:12:41
  You can't even like the pups. Don't put it on.
• 1:12:45
  I'll have to show you a game and a few clips and I think it's non
• 1:12:49
  league football. Like that's what we're working.
• 1:12:52
  But that's the best, that's the best football to go to.
• 1:12:55
  Like I've been to like Yeovil Town and stuff with my dad.
• 1:12:57
  And it's like, you know, the fans are like right behind the
• 1:13:00
  keeper, sending him abuse, throwing, not throwing stuff a
• 1:13:03
  bit and just, But that's proper football where it's like, I'm
• 1:13:07
  watching like the Champions League's all right.
• 1:13:08
  But I was watching like, so who I watched last week.
• 1:13:11
  But it was just, you know, they they, you know, when they always
• 1:13:14
  say like I, I don't, I think Jake used for Arsenal.
• 1:13:16
  But you know, they always say, like United against Chelsea are
• 1:13:19
  it's going to be a great game. Nil, nil, draw.
• 1:13:21
  And it's just like, yeah, great, great.
• 1:13:23
  Why have I done this? Yeah.
• 1:13:25
  Let me just ride you. We have just destroyed Spurs,
• 1:13:28
  for one, an absolute banger of a result.
• 1:13:31
  And this is our year. But it's true.
• 1:13:33
  The other teams, yeah, it's all shit.
• 1:13:36
  Now one of my best mates supports Arsenal and I've, I've
• 1:13:39
  always liked Arsenal, but I've never wanted them not to win the
• 1:13:41
  league because of the, the stuff he's putting into the chat.
• 1:13:45
  So I'm, yeah. But it's they're doing very
• 1:13:49
  well, very, very well. I feel like everyone's hoping or
• 1:13:53
  praying on a downfall this year. Yeah, I guess because Arsenal
• 1:13:57
  fans give it so much chat that it's like, but now this year is
• 1:14:01
  our year. It's different this time.
• 1:14:03
  It's our testimony is insufferable.
• 1:14:06
  Oh he's bloody good though. What a guy.
• 1:14:10
  Are you going to try and go to a game when you're back?
• 1:14:14
  I went over Christmas because my dad's actually got season
• 1:14:18
  tickets, so I'll try. And yeah, if it lines out.
• 1:14:21
  I guess it depends how long I'm back in London, but that's
• 1:14:23
  always on the checklist when I head home.
• 1:14:26
  Have you checked post London Marathon?
• 1:14:28
  Go straight to the Emirates. Have you checked if they're
• 1:14:30
  playing on the? Oh, shit, yeah, I need to see
• 1:14:32
  that. That could be a big one.
• 1:14:33
  Yeah, I need to have a look at you.
• 1:14:35
  If I'm not in the medical tent, that is.
• 1:14:37
  I've always got to factor that in.
• 1:14:38
  Post marathon, I'm going to be out of action for at least four
• 1:14:42
  hours. You could see the bottling
• 1:14:45
  happen in person. That'll be good.
• 1:14:46
  Wouldn't. It.
• 1:14:48
  Oh no, we'll have won it by then.
• 1:14:49
  There's no point even going. The league will be wrapped up.
• 1:14:53
  Do you think they'll do the treble?
• 1:14:54
  That's the question. The Champions League won in the
• 1:14:57
  League Cup as well, or FA Cup. We we're going straight past
• 1:15:00
  Premier League. It's like that.
• 1:15:01
  That's done. It's going big all the way.
• 1:15:04
  I wanted us to kind of race or if if we were to be stood on the
• 1:15:09
  start line tomorrow, how would you feel out of 100%?
• 1:15:13
  And then we'll take this score into the next episode.
• 1:15:16
  Say we say 60% now because training has been shit or we're
• 1:15:19
  fatigued and hopefully we can we can drive it or episode on
• 1:15:23
  episode. So how we feeling out of 100%
• 1:15:26
  right now? Who wants to start?
• 1:15:30
  You got a new guy. I feel like, I think after
• 1:15:34
  Barcelona last week, I feel in a very good position.
• 1:15:37
  I just need couple of the long runs.
• 1:15:42
  And I think like, of course, you know, you can do those
• 1:15:44
  comparisons, but I think like a 61 high half does can get me
• 1:15:49
  that 2 or 9. I really won.
• 1:15:52
  But it's just I, I just need to, I, I need to get back on to
• 1:15:55
  working with Charles again. I think that was a bit in my
• 1:15:58
  downfall in London last year, especially running with Alex and
• 1:16:01
  just seeing how good triathletes are at their drinks and
• 1:16:06
  everything. I would say I'm going to give it
• 1:16:10
  a big, a big on the way for, I'll say like 87%.
• 1:16:16
  I'll give it a random number. That's a solid start.
• 1:16:20
  Yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy.
• 1:16:22
  Good, good. I can jump in next if you want
• 1:16:26
  off a similar basis. I'd say my feelings going
• 1:16:29
  alright. I haven't had too many issues
• 1:16:31
  that front yet. I'd say the biggest ones
• 1:16:34
  confidence. But then the actually way that
• 1:16:36
  can work in your favour is like if you have a good result all of
• 1:16:39
  a sudden, then you know, that's all the way back up there.
• 1:16:44
  And then I'd probably like to be a bit further along on the the
• 1:16:48
  shorter stuff, just feeling a bit snappier.
• 1:16:50
  And once again, it's probably tied in with confidence in the
• 1:16:53
  half marathon and even just having a a better result as my
• 1:16:57
  previous race. So I'll go 78%.
• 1:17:01
  I'm feeling a lot better actually over the long stuff.
• 1:17:04
  Like I'm not scared of the marathon, I'm scared of the pace
• 1:17:07
  at the moment and like how I'm not sure how the body would go
• 1:17:09
  over the half and all that stuff.
• 1:17:12
  So yeah, 78. I feel like if we were talking
• 1:17:16
  literally tomorrow, what percentage now I'm about a three
• 1:17:21
  because I think AA10K jog seems like a bit of a challenge.
• 1:17:26
  That's an intimidating thought right now, but I think hopefully
• 1:17:31
  the works banked from this whole block that whether or not I run
• 1:17:35
  Tokyo, I think one week off I'd still keep all that fitness
• 1:17:39
  pretty much. And I'd say yeah, if you'd asked
• 1:17:41
  me a week ago, my weirdly enough this time I fill up my top ends
• 1:17:47
  easily the best it's ever been. Like I'd PB over 15105 K, 10K
• 1:17:52
  whatever half marathon. It's actually the longest stuff
• 1:17:54
  where so I've not done a single long run this entire block.
• 1:17:58
  My last long run was actually November.
• 1:18:00
  So yeah, the longest I ran in one go IS30K, which is so weird.
• 1:18:04
  Actually relates to that. You're asking about over
• 1:18:06
  distance. Like before, I'd almost every
• 1:18:10
  week be doing 45 to 50K, like in the lead up to last year's
• 1:18:15
  Tokyo. This time it's the complete
• 1:18:16
  opposite almost. I feel like I'm training like a
• 1:18:19
  sprinter with these sessions. But yeah, I think I'm in a good
• 1:18:24
  place. What what can I give it?
• 1:18:25
  Like, I'm going to go 64. I I was surprised how high you
• 1:18:30
  boys went, but I feel like I can, yeah, make some big jumps
• 1:18:34
  and just need to work on that durability, the long stuff, then
• 1:18:38
  hopefully, yeah, make that three or five per K 210 marathon pays
• 1:18:41
  doable. Very nice.
• 1:18:45
  Lastly, you don't have to answer.
• 1:18:47
  Is there any kind of like an accountability action which you
• 1:18:50
  want to take away from this episode and either make a change
• 1:18:53
  or continue to do something in the next couple of weeks,
• 1:18:56
  whether that be like or need to get in the gym more or need to
• 1:18:59
  sort my diet out a little bit? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:04
  I need to sort my not that like, like 'cause I don't weigh, I
• 1:19:09
  don't weigh myself every, every like I never weigh myself and I
• 1:19:13
  weigh myself yesterday and OK, I'm putting the same numbers as
• 1:19:16
  I did before and I'm 10 kilos heavier than when I was so at my
• 1:19:19
  worst. But I do have, you know, the
• 1:19:24
  chocolate share patch you have. I'll just devour one of them
• 1:19:29
  every single night and then three nights a week a whole Ben
• 1:19:31
  and Jerry's tub. So I've now come to the
• 1:19:33
  conclusion I'm not having the share pack.
• 1:19:35
  I'm going to have two little yogurts in two of these.
• 1:19:38
  Like do you know, have you guys been to Netherlands before?
• 1:19:41
  You know, the stroopwafels, you know, the unbelievable.
• 1:19:44
  Yeah, yeah, there you go, There you go, there you go, two of
• 1:19:46
  them. And then I'm still keeping my 3
• 1:19:48
  hanging outs a week because I'm not going to lie, I just have
• 1:19:51
  the biggest sweet tooth. But yeah, I think I need to,
• 1:19:56
  yeah. So that that the chocolate and
• 1:20:00
  sweets addiction out a little bit.
• 1:20:04
  But yeah, that's my big thing. I'd like to keep going with my
• 1:20:09
  hip mobility. That's something that Coach and
• 1:20:12
  I established is something I can improve on after Morigami, so
• 1:20:16
  I've been doing that, yeah, most days.
• 1:20:20
  So yeah, you guys can absolutely keep me honest.
• 1:20:23
  I need more range through my hips and there was one other
• 1:20:26
  thing as well that's really a big one.
• 1:20:30
  The other one will probably come back to me next week.
• 1:20:34
  I'm going to go for me sauna. I've been trying to recently
• 1:20:37
  bang out the sauna just because I'm so bad in the heat.
• 1:20:41
  It's a joke. And yeah, I feel like this time
• 1:20:43
  with London I'm not going to take any gambles, just with how
• 1:20:48
  unpredictable it is. Like yeah, it could be 20 plus
• 1:20:51
  easily, but you never know. So I want to get comfortable
• 1:20:55
  just sweating out Yeah sauna post run.
• 1:20:58
  I actually hate it. Like I love a nice icy cold day.
• 1:21:01
  Ideally I'd race a marathon in like 0°, that would be the
• 1:21:05
  absolute dream. But I realise London is not
• 1:21:08
  going to be that, so I've got to just prep for a little bit of
• 1:21:11
  yeah, spicy weather. It's after bedroom sauna.
• 1:21:16
  Oh yes, the sauna tent. The best £100 I've ever spent on
• 1:21:20
  Amazon. Unreal.
• 1:21:21
  There's. 100 Oh wow. But it's incredible.
• 1:21:25
  You can spend like some of these saunas, like 2 grand. 3 grand
• 1:21:29
  isn't just, yeah, £100 infrared and it gets up to like 65.
• 1:21:35
  So I was sitting there for half hour.
• 1:21:38
  I'll eat dinner in it as well. Bit of multitasking.
• 1:21:41
  Unreal. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:43
  Maybe one of these later pods might be recorded in sauna.
• 1:21:46
  We'll see what happens. Yeah.
• 1:21:49
  Jake will be in the normal tech boots and you'll be in the
• 1:21:52
  summer. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:54
  You just see me pass out halfway through.
• 1:21:56
  I'm not making the hour. That's crazy, right?
• 1:22:01
  Well, we'll, we'll let Tim get to bed.
• 1:22:03
  I just want to say to the listeners, anyone who's
• 1:22:05
  listening, this series is unsponsored and the lads are
• 1:22:08
  doing it off their own goodwill, completely off their backs and
• 1:22:12
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• 1:22:15
  So if anyone would like to sponsor and support the series
• 1:22:19
  and win, we'll we'll help the lads out, whether that be like
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  travel to London or even if it's just some money for some food
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  whilst they're there. Like they're giving their time
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  to us and sharing their valuable knowledge and insights which
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  they don't have to do. So we'd love to give something
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  back to them to thank them. You mean we're not getting an
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  appearance fee? What?
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  We've been done dirty, Yeah. Ask Owen mate, you'll sort you
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  out. He's.
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  Doing well all right. Thanks guys.
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  Thanks very much. Lovely.
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  Cheers boys. If you would like to follow the
• 1:22:55
  Lads Train in between now and the next episode, you can catch
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  Tim on his own podcast The Journeyman, you can get Jake
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  Barraclough on YouTube at Ranted Japan and Jake Smith is all over
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  Strava and Instagram. The.