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IT CAME FROM SCREAMBOX: Alice, Sweet Alice! · WASD and Beyond

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Tax evasion here on it came from Scream Box.
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Thank you guys very much for your support And now on to the
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show, Alex boy, what up? What up?
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I'm gonna. Send you a dollar on Venmo.
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So I could buy No, no, no, no. It, it has to be, it has to be a
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rando. It has to be a random listener.
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Don't send me a buck if I because if I do get the buck, I
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have to follow the bit. If you don't follow the bit,
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you're a phony. You're a big fat phony.
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That's why I was going to do it, because it's funny.
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No, but it can't be you. I get.
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It Alex is going to tell one of his buddies at work like send
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this guy a dollar and like I get.
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Like I'm going to get like a sick, sick new setup.
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Interface it. Came from a screen box on it as
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a note. Oh my God.
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That was just say I love the pod and Alex picks all the best
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movies. He's such a cool guy.
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I don't sit in the queue. He's so cool.
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Dude look at his hair I I wonder what he uses the.
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Condition. I wish I could have hair like
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that. Wow, I was almost down to his
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butt crack. That's so cool.
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I wonder, does it ever get caught in there?
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Anyway, I love the pot. I hope it doesn't fall in the
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toilet when he poos. It'd be like dragging around the
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mop all. Day I put it up in a bun every
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time I poo because I'm so scared I'm going to poop on it.
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No. It's like.
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Poop hair. Never had it happen because I
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always put it up. Boy.
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But it could. It hasn't happened yet, I am, so
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it's still bound to happen once, OK?
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Well, you guys aren't here for poop talk, Alex.
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It was your we're here for. We're here for we're here for
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great horror movies, and this week I chose the classic.
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To some people. I've never seen it up until
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tonight, I chose Alice. Sweet Alice.
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You've never seen Alice, Sweet Alice.
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No, I've only heard of it. This is a movie I would have
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expected you to see. Yeah.
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Damn, so OK. I've never seen it either, but
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no one's surprised by that. I feel like, though, it's good
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that there are some movies that no one's like, yeah, I've seen
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this, but like, most of those, like, Nope.
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But I I I'm having fun with it. Yeah.
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Yeah. So All right.
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That's good. Why don't you go ahead and tell
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the folks at home what this movie was about or what you're
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able to surmise from it? Because it's ADHD as shit.
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It it is super everywhere off the wall.
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Slasher. Would you call this a slasher?
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It's a slasher. Psychological horror?
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Slasher flick? Yeah.
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It's like a slasher mystery. Yeah.
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With a religious bend. Which honestly supports the
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film, keeps it on fucking 2 feet in my opinion.
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But anyways. Well I'm just going to read the
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synopsis because I have ADHD brain myself.
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Favorite daughter Karen Brooke Shields.
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This is Brooke Shields first film by the way.
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Oh, this is her first movie. Yeah, that's good.
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It wasn't long lived. She she dies.
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Really. No, I'm.
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In the movie, yeah. No, like Brooke Shields.
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I don't think so. I thought I remember seeing
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something. Well, favorite daughter Karen is
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viciously strangled and set a fire in a church the day of her
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first communion and the suspension falls on her jealous
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suspicion falls on her jealous and emotional unstable sister
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Alice. When the girl's aunt Annie is
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later stabbed in the apartment on the apartment complex
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stairway, Alice is sent away, but the attacks continue,
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prompting priest Father Tom and Alice's dad Dominic to go and
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search for the real killer. Yeah, it's a bit of a whodunnit.
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Release Shields is still alive. Yeah.
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OK. And and fucking nuts.
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Oh, is she crazy? If so, oh man, I mean anyways.
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I'd probably go crazy too. That was a model since I was 11
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years old. Yeah, sounds like you're on hell
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and yeah. But like Alex said, she's barely
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in the movie. Yeah.
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It starts off like just as Alice is just like a jealous older
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sister of the younger sister, which like is a pretty, I'm
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assuming common thing. I don't know.
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I didn't have siblings. It's very, it's very normal.
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It's, it's kind of a trope you see too, where like the one kid
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will be jealous of the younger child because they get more
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attention. So they're still like acting up.
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It's in this case it results in the older sibling strangling the
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younger sibling. Yes, in the church.
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In the chair, her first during her first communion, and then
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just tries to take her place, sits, goes up to the was it
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altar view, whatever. And then that's when everyone
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realizes where's Karen at? There's Alice.
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Alice has been missing all day and now she's up at the fucking.
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Tongue out, ready for the body of Christ.
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Stop. She's she's ready, but then she
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doesn't get it. She never gets it.
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Not even. In the whole movie.
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He doesn't. Now did she did.
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She. I think we can just say like
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spoilers. Absolutely.
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Been out since 1976. Yeah, but you know, if you were
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looking for a spoiler free review, this is not it.
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OK, Now that they're gone, did she start the fire in the bench,
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'cause I don't remember seeing, I don't remember seeing anything
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like she just put her sister in the bench after she had been
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strangled and then she goes to the community and then it just
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cuts back and the and there's like smoke pouring out of the
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bench. Well, she's playing with
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matches. Plays with matches a good bit,
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yeah. Yeah, so I it's like AII made a
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miss too. I thought I've, I always thought
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she struck a match and dropped it in.
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That's what I thought. She must have.
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I must have just missed it. There's not really a
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supernatural element here. It's just like.
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Yeah, see, that's what I thought.
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I was like, I was like, oh, they're going for like a
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supernatural religious thing because it's happening in a
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church. Yeah, no, no, it's just straight
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up like here you it's here's a couple crazy fucking people.
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Because even inside the apartment complex where you meet
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Mr. Alfonse, it's just like, dude, this guy is just like
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batshit. Like he's disgusting.
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Yeah, it's just a gross dude. It's insinuated.
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Bad. He's a pedophile.
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Yeah, it's insinuated that he's might lean that way, I think.
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He cornered Alice in fucking. Yeah.
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It's yeah, it's true. There might not be any defending
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that guy and I'm not trying to defend him anyway, but I'm just
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like, I don't know. I didn't.
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I for the rest of the time he's on screen.
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You don't get that vibe. No, he's just kind of like a big
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fat lazy guy and just kind of creepy and weird.
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But then again, there's like, there's a like a little bit of,
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of a pattern of adults like talking about this kid in a
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super inappropriate way. Like even the the detectives are
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like sexualizing her when they're talking about her.
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There's a whole, not. Trying, not trying to like
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defend it, but it was supposed to be in 1961, which is.
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Yeah, you could say it was a different time as much as you
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want, but that shit's still a little.
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Weird it was. I mean, we already know it was a
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super fuck time to begin with, so like, they didn't give a
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fuck. Oh yeah.
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Yeah, bad, Bad time to be a child.
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Even worse time to be a little girl at that point in time,
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because no matter what you did, you were either stupid or
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sexualized. It's this movie.
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It's it's good that you guys brought that up because this
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movie is very much a product of its time.
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While trailblazing ahead of a lot of other horror movies of
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its time, because this movie has like a lot of like it.
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It's definitely inspired by Hitchcock.
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Like you could tell with like the the the camera and like the
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like the close close. Shot sound design.
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Sound design, how people are killed.
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You know the twist, you know, things like that.
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This is very Hitchcock. And it is interesting to see
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that evolved throughout the entire film because the movie,
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the movie does a lot of like trickery and it subverts your
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expectations. That's another thing that's
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coming up this week, right? The subversion of expectation.
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That's what this movie does. And it does a lot of magician
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tricks on your eyes too, because it fucking takes your focal
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points and has you focus somewhere else on the screen
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while something else is happening.
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Because the entire time, even me, I'm like, oh, it's yeah, I
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haven't seen this movie in a long time, but you're like, Oh
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yeah, Alice is the killer, right?
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Like it's it's Alice. I mean, you see it happen right
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in the beginning. You see it happen right in the
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beginning, but like throughout the entire rest of the film,
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you're thinking it's all Alice, all Alice.
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And it's not, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's like a magician's
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trick. And it's like, wow, that was
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really smart. It's it's smart filmmaking and
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it's grainy as fuck at times. And I there's something about
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that that I really like about this film.
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It's almost charming that they that this movie looks, sounds
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and acts the way it acts. It is almost like a middle
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finger to that modern time period because like I said, like
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it to me, a movie like this trail blazes.
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It never became what like the other big horror movies at the
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time became, but it's stuck around, which is good.
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Yeah, it. Really has like.
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Sorry, who? Who's going to go?
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I was. I was going to say I just, I've
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never seen this movie up until now.
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I'm a part of a bunch of like core groups on shit book and
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someone posted their VHS copy of this and I was like, what is
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this? Literally like maybe a week ago?
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And then I was looking for a film to watch and I was like, oh
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sweet, let's watch. It that thing.
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Yeah, it has it has pretty good scores on on the sites.
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Like it's got a 71 on Rotten Tomatoes and a four out of five
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from this Arrow video. I mean, like it, it does kind of
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fall into a lot of the tropes that movies from this time did.
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Like you're saying, it is very much a product of its time, but
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it it feels a little bit smarter than some of those movies.
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I mean, we talked about Road Games last week, which I think
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is from, I don't remember what year Rd.
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Games is from, but it's a similar sort of situation where
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it was like just sort of a middle of the road movie, but
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the writing is a little bit like better than you expect.
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OK so Rd. Games is 10 years after this
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one. Still, though, that it's that
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same time period where, like, people are starting to
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experiment. Yeah.
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And the movies that do it well almost don't get seen.
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That's some it's it's it's weird.
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It's weird 'cause like This and Road Games are two very
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different films that are very daring in their own sense.
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That makes sense. I don't know.
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But the, the, the similarity I'm pulling is that like Rd. games
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had an interesting, it was written really well where it
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didn't really focus as much on the like the slasher aspect as
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it did on the mystery of it, where this one also feels like
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it has all of those, all of that like writing quality.
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But then you do get more of the slasher stuff.
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So it feels a little more filled out then then a movie like Rd.
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Games did. But all the all of that is just
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to like give flowers to the writing because the whole movie,
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like I, I felt like I knew what was going on and then as soon as
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the like twist and reveal happens, I'm like, OK, so I
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don't really know anything then. That movie, that's like, that's
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why I said the movie. It's, it's like a, it does
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magician tricks to like subvert you away from what is actually
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happening. That's why I say it's like very
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ADHD. It's like 1 minute it's doing
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this, the next minute there's a noise here, but then there's a
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conversation and there's like all this like almost shocking,
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like shit on the screen really like don't know what to look at
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'cause I'm like watching Alice interact with this fat guy, like
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big disgusting dude. And it's like there's other shit
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really happening around. So I'm like trying to focus on
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the cat, trying to focus on them talking, I'm trying to focus on
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a bull falling. And it's like, what the fuck
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dude? Like the movie's very good at
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setting that up and letting you know if you're catching it.
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Like we are going to distract you and we're going to pull you
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away from what is happening so we can then later rug pull you.
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And I like that. I thought that was very
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intelligent of the film. And it felt very like, natural,
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like the world feels very lived in when the three kids go down
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to Mr. Alfonso to give him the cake.
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Yeah, they, the other kids, like, don't react at all because
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they've seen this guy a million times.
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Yeah. Like every, it feels like it's
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very lived in. Like it's an actual community
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that everyone knows everybody type of thing 'cause they're all
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going to the same church, right? Like, this movie does revolve
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around religion quite a bit, namely Catholicism.
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Yeah, 'cause there's confession. So it's Catholicism.
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And they play a lot into that too.
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And that it actually becomes way more important in the last 30
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minutes of the film. Yeah, the the religious aspect
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of it kind of comes in closer to the end.
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But when it does, it's like you, you realize, like this was what
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it was about the whole time. Yeah, yeah, which is great.
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May I ask Alex, what was the cover of that VHS?
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Was it the mask or her? Like in the rain jacket with the
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mask on? No, it was a crazy cover because
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it was part of a Alfred solo box set.
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OK, because and they found it part of a what?
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Oh the the dude who wrote the film.
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Oh, OK. He just found it at a fucking
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thrift store. Go figure.
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I'd never find good shit at a thrift store.
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That pisses me off. Dude Final boss finds like big
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box PC games at thrift stores. I've done it.
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I've never found one. I used to go like.
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I always look at the DVDs or the movies.
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I used to go multiple times a week too, so like.
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I found a a John Wayne box set of four VHSS.
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Got a super Nintendo for 6 bucks.
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What? Yeah, with.
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Goof Troop and it works. Let's go love it for me.
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I first saw this movie at a Walmart or on Halloween because
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I used when I was collecting DVDs, which I wish I still did,
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but they're kind of not as accessible anymore unless you're
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like going to disc replay. And I really don't want to go to
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disc replay. It always smells like stale
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cigarettes in there, and there's just.
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Oh, it's not that bad. The well, I live downriver.
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Oh, OK yeah, Westland one's fine.
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Westland. I like the Westland one that I
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so here. Here's the funny story.
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Guitar Hero controller there. Very good.
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I almost picked up the entire Guinea pig Japanese box set from
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there and I looked up and went you don't I in my hands, they're
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selling it for 40 bucks. I went, you don't know what you
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have here. And the guy went what?
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And then he get he took it and he goes, oh, that's mispriced.
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And I went fuck. Why would you say that?
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I I wasn't thinking what is that?
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The entire sleep away camp Survival kit.
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Oh, that's. That is nice.
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Which I got from disc replay for like 70 bucks.
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That is nice. That is a nice.
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That's tough. Yeah, no other DVD.
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I mean, I I was worth it. It was worth it because I was
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looking for them individually for a very long time.
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And then one day I was like, oh, there's a whole set.
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I'm just going to drop the money.
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I don't care. I popped AI popped ADVD into my
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Xbox the other day and it played and I something about that made
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me so happy. Physical media.
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I love it, love it, but yeah, I know I fucked myself out of
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getting that though. So did you said you got this on
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Halloween? Did you watch this on Halloween?
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We did so it was like me and a bunch of friends when we I had
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my first apartment, like I said, we were at Walmart because
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Walmart if for those who don't know, I don't know if they'll
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still do it, but in their movie section because I hate Walmart.
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I hate going there but Halloween go to the movie section and they
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sell. They sell like a bunch of dope
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ass Halloween movies for like 5 bucks and I saw Alice Sweet
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Alice. If I had time to get my ass up
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and go run to my shelf I would go crap but I'm not doing that.
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They had Alice Sweet Alice there and I remember seeing the mask
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cover. I was like what is this?
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I picked it up and I watched it. I was like in my 20s at this
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time and I was like, oh, this is fucking crazy.
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I watched it. We watched it as a group.
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Yeah, on Halloween we ate a bunch of Little Caesars, had
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Arizona RXS and watched this and went, that was fucking weird.
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Anyways, and I think we put on like Halloween.
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Yeah, it definitely feels. Like Halloween, but.
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It definitely feels like something you might watch and
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you're like, OK, that wasn't really what I was hoping for,
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but it's more of a, it's more of like a low key really kind of
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absorb it movie. But it's not slow burn.
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It's a. Cinema.
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No, it's. Horror movie.
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It it is, it very much is, but it's not slow burn, which is
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crazy. It's.
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Chaotic the whole time, yeah, yeah, it's.
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Like I said, it's constantly there's, I wouldn't say noisy,
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but there's just always something happening, happening,
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happening. You're like fucking slow down.
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But it's not to the detriment of the film, right?
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It's it's it's actually helping the film progress.
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Yeah, I think it. Helped be better.
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So if if it was slower you would have more time to potentially
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put things together. Yeah.
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And it feels like for the characters, everything is just
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happening back-to-back for them. They don't have any time to
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figure things out. So to put you in that same
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mindset, I think is to its benefit.
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Yeah, no, I agree. I agree.
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I I I love this film. I I love, I love the mask that
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is used in this film. The at the beginning with the
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double mask is super creepy, but it's also a fucking like it's a
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what is it called? Like a look to it's like a look
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to the future. What's that called?
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Like foreshadowing. It's foreshadowing who the
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actual killer is cuz it's an old.
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It's like an old woman mask under the mask.
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Yeah, Oh, look at, look at that, man.
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See, that's what there's that kind of stuff that I'm talking
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about. It's little touches in the
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writing that just make it just that much better.
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There's little bread crumbs. You can pick them up as you go.
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Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep. I guess we won't.
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Well, I guess I technically spoiled it, but we've already.
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Spoiled it, We said spoil. Yeah, yeah.
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It's it's the old church lady, an old housekeeper lady.
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It it's, it's the it's that woman and she kills people
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because she's worried someone's going to take her place as like
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the assistant to the the Monsignor what or the priest.
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Yeah, which like I. Think she's in love with the
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priest, I think. Yeah, if you've ever watched the
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Midnight Mass series, they got a lot of the same vibes.
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Like the whole thing is the driven by this one woman who's
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like obsessed with the priest. And you sort of get a bit of
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that here where she's like, they're going to take my spot, I
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have to kill them. But then at the same time, like
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the daughter is killing people too.
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But at the end, it's just like everybody kind of just ignores
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that it was definitely Alice who killed her sister.
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I want to put, I want to see if we can put that to rest.
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I'm going to look it up right now because I think we may have
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missed saw something that. Alice I I think the implication
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is that since you see the old woman misses what's her name,
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Trudoni do kill, like do a murder right at the end.
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The implication is that we'd everyone now assumes that it was
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her the whole time. Yeah, and Alice.
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And Alice is going to get away with it, yeah.
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'Cause she slides the knife, she she takes the knife.
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Somehow she gets the knife. I don't.
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I didn't see her take it. No, that's the whole.
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Point Alice didn't kill her sister.
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No, it was Trudoni the whole time.
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Yeah, it was Trudoni. So that's another we.
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We might need to rewatch that opening scene.
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It was never Alice. It was never Alice.
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God, it really. Feels like the real killer is
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the housekeeper Mr. Dhoni, which we know who murders Karen during
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her first communing communion believing it's her duty to
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punish the parents for their sins.
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She goes into that whole rant right because.
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Of the Yeah, because her daughter died on the day of her
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first communion. House being framed due to retro
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behavior yeah so yeah no, we need to like rewatch that
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opening scene because like even. This is what I'm talking about.
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There's all that. Like we got completely baited.
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I love it. I love.
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That yeah, I mean, on one hand, I'm like, this movie got one
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over on us, like. In like the best way it's
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possible. But it's we don't.
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Usually get tricked. No, usually we're, we're good
24:06
about that. But I I mean.
24:09
Did Alice not kill Karen? Alice didn't kill anybody.
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Nope. Nope.
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She's just, she's just a, you know, a troubled little girl.
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She was in the wrong place at the wrong time and also was
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wearing the the yellow raincoat and the mask.
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Was that her that stabbed? No, the aunt.
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No, that's Trudoni. How the fuck she get broke?
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I definitely. I don't think that Alice is.
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Looking at that's that, that's what, that's what.
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It's hard. It's hard to know, that's what
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the director said, because the movie's never clear about that.
24:47
So Alice goes into the into his house or his apartment, pays the
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rent, acts, you know, he's being a shithead.
24:55
So she kill well, she kills the cat.
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She does kill the cat. She definitely killed that cat.
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Yeah, because he says. But she but she hightails it
25:03
downstairs and there's another entrance that Trudoni probably
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comes in right there. Well, it seemed like she she
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goes down like the basement and she has like a weird little
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stash down there. Yeah, which I mean, that is it
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is weird with the Yeah, unless she found Trudoni's shit in the
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basement was like, this is creepy and I'm kind of a fucked
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up kid. I'm.
25:32
Going to play with this shit. But that would make sense to why
25:39
if it was Alice or it wasn't Alice, that she didn't kill
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Alfonso right there off RIP for doing what he did and went down
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to aunt instead. Well, even when he was sleeping,
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she just put roaches on him. She's like, she's just.
25:52
She's just, she's just going to. Fuck with them, yeah.
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And she had every chance right there to.
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Yeah, he has sleep apnea. That's a really funny shot, by
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the way. When he stands up, he's got the
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rodent. The Roaches dude grows up like a
26:04
fucking Skyrim garden, you see. How it wild?
26:08
How do you even do that? I think that I think it was a,
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it was a reverse shot. I think it was a reverse shot.
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Which I think actually he's. A very loud man.
26:17
Yeah, but I think it helped for the film, because this film's
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already kind of wacky. Yeah, I love it.
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I love it. I actually have a photo that
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I'll share after recording because I can't minimize my
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screen of when the first mask is taken off.
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OK. You get a clear shot of the
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other mask. Definitely worth a watch.
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I hope you watched it. If you're listening to this, I
26:37
hope you've paused it before we spoiled it.
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Yes, you went and watched it because it's 100% it's worth
26:47
it's it's worth you watching it with fresh eyes.
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Yeah, yes, we ready for this movie's ratings.
26:55
Also, the kills are cool. Yeah, they're they're like old
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proto. Rant rant, yeah.
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They're simple. I don't want to spoil the kills
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because they are fun, simple kills.
27:06
You should go watch this film. But Alex, it's your movie.
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Why don't you start us off? Give it a three out of five.
27:13
Cool. Solid flick what?
27:18
Do you think? You guys, you.
27:23
You too. Alex, are you done or you got
27:25
more? I'm done.
27:27
OK. I'm boys, don't make that.
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Oh, it's my turn. I was waiting for you.
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Oh, you didn't say it. Look.
27:38
At that dead air. I'll fix it.
27:40
I might keep it in. It's funny.
27:42
I'm going to give this A5 out of five because because and I don't
27:47
think it's a perfect film. I think it's a perfect horror
27:51
film though. So I'm going to give it a 5 out
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of five because of what this movie does.
27:57
And knowing that it tricked all three of us in the beginning
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makes it that much more perfect for me.
28:03
It this movie, like I said, it's it's like watching a magician do
28:07
magic and it is constantly making you look the other way
28:11
and you think you're on the right trail.
28:12
You think you know what's being done you and you just don't.
28:15
And I love it. I I love these old flicks that
28:19
are ahead of their time. And I just, I want more people
28:22
to see this because I'm just curious, like what they think.
28:26
So yeah, 5 out of 5 for me. I'm going to say 4 out of five.
28:31
I was going to give it a three out of five until I realized
28:36
that the movie tricked us. So 4 out of five, because the
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writing was so good that it managed to fool us.
28:45
We thought we knew what was going on and we did not.
28:48
So 4 out of five, great movie, great story, well thought out.
28:53
It all kind of comes together in the end.
28:57
There's still a little bit of theorizing you can do.
28:59
Is there any sequel or any sort of I anything to come out of
29:03
this? I don't, no.
29:05
Good question. I don't think so.
29:08
This could make a good remake potentially.
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I think, I think if there were to be like a remake, 2023, there
29:17
was a remake. Who was in it?
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I, I I don't know. 2023. There was, oh, there was no
29:28
official Alice We Alice remake released 2023, but there's an
29:31
ongoing development for one directed by Dante Tomaselli.
29:39
Tomaselli, who teased casting news Catherine Morrison as the
29:44
mother. That's from 2013, 2014.
29:49
All right, so there's no. It's not.
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Well, there's. No anything.
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No, it's not going to happen. Well, there's no it's not going
29:59
to happen. You know, sometimes that's
30:01
better. Yeah, that's fine.
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