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Couple’s Deadly Dark Secrets Unravel in Chilling Interrogation · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, when you watch a heist movie
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  Speaker 1: or one of those gritty murder mysteries on television, there
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  Speaker 1: is this underlying expectation of just absolute precision.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, totally.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It were portrayed almost like engineering. The criminal carefully
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  Speaker 1: wipes away a stray fingerprint from a doorknob. They, you know,
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  Speaker 1: meticulously burn the getaway car in some abandoned lot. And
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  Speaker 1: then right before the credits roll. The camera zooms in
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  Speaker 1: on one single overlooked matchstick on the pavement. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: The one mistake.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. The one matchstick that breaks the whole case wide open.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very clean, like binary game of cat and
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  Speaker 2: mouse that Hollywood has sold us. You either leave a
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  Speaker 2: physical piece of yourself behind or you don't. Caught or
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  Speaker 2: not caught.
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  Speaker 1: Right. The physical evidence is the entire story. Like if
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  Speaker 1: you can control the physical environment, you win. Yeah. But
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  Speaker 1: you step into a modern interrogation room and suddenly that
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  Speaker 1: physical puzzle is just Well, it's gone.
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  Speaker 2: It's completely obsolete.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Today, detectives are hunting digital ghosts. They're navigating a
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  Speaker 1: landscape of human psychology and invisible data trails that is
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  Speaker 1: completely murky. You can't just wipe away a fingerprint anymore.
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  Speaker 1: You have to figure out how to erase yourself from
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  Speaker 1: a grid you can't even see.
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  Speaker 2: Which is the absolute definition of diagnostic muddy waters. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you are no longer just looking for a drop of blood.
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  Speaker 2: You are trying to navigate... the complex and often entirely
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  Speaker 2: contradictory labyrinth of the human mind.
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  Speaker 1: Especially when it's placed under extreme suffocating pressure.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. All simultaneously cross-referencing that mind's fragile memory against a
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  Speaker 2: permanent digital ledger.
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  Speaker 1: And that collision between human messiness and digital permanence is
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  Speaker 1: exactly what we are unpacking today. Welcome to the deep dive, everyone.
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  Speaker 2: It's a heavy one today.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. We have a stack of incredibly intense
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  Speaker 1: source material surrounding a profoundly tragic case out of the
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  Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest. We were looking at the death of 25-year-old
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  Speaker 1: Nathan Anderson. Right. So in April of 2024, Nathan was
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  Speaker 1: found in a parking lot in Clackamas County, Oregon. He
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  Speaker 1: had been shot three times.
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  Speaker 2: And the authorities actually zeroed in on two suspects relatively quickly.
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  Speaker 2: The first is a 25-year-old man named Cody Denwith.
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  Speaker 1: Cody actually used to work with Nathan, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, at a local company called Dave Slayer's Killer Bread.
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  Speaker 2: And the second suspect is Cody's fiancée, a woman named
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  Speaker 2: Dominique Britt.
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  Speaker 1: And I think before we get into the actual interrogations,
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  Speaker 1: we really have to establish the alleged motive that the
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  Speaker 1: police were working with.
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  Speaker 2: We do. And it is crucial to state right up
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  Speaker 2: front that this underlying catalyst, I mean, the entire reason
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  Speaker 2: this nightmare started was never actually proven to have happened
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  Speaker 2: by law enforcement. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It's alleged. But the motive that supposedly drove this elaborate
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  Speaker 1: revenge plot was Cody O's belief that Nathan had sexually
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  Speaker 1: assaulted Dominique while she was blacked out drunk at a gathering.
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  Speaker 2: That unverified claim is really the absolute core of the
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  Speaker 2: psychological pressure cooker we are about to examine.
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  Speaker 1: Our focus here is to really deconstruct the chilling police
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  Speaker 1: interrogations of both Cody and Dominique. We are going to
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  Speaker 1: look incredibly closely at how a seemingly perfect, highly calculated
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  Speaker 1: revenge plot just completely unravels.
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  Speaker 2: And it doesn't unravel because Cody dropped a matchstick.
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  Speaker 1: No. It collapses under the crushing weight of modern digital footprints.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, the psychological chess match played by the detectives.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's fascinating to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's unpack this. Because I am just endlessly
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  Speaker 1: fascinated by the invisible leverage used in interrogation rooms.
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  Speaker 2: It's an art form.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. It is never about who yells the loudest.
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  Speaker 1: It's about who controls the narrative.
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  Speaker 2: And narrative control is exactly where Cody starts. If you
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  Speaker 2: put yourself in the shoes of these detectives... You know,
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  Speaker 2: you don't walk into the room screaming accusations at your
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  Speaker 2: prime suspect. You just open the floor.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You let him talk.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You let the suspect build their own trap. And
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  Speaker 2: Cody immediately tries to establish what we call the illusion
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  Speaker 2: of the helpful friend.
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  Speaker 1: When the interrogation begins, his demeanor is remarkably, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: almost uncomfortably casual. The detective sits down and casually mentions
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  Speaker 1: they're investigating the death of Nathan Anderson. And Cody just
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  Speaker 1: leans back and says, yeah, I heard about that.
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  Speaker 2: When you analyze the psychology of a suspect in this
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  Speaker 2: specific moment, their brain is working in overdrive to project innocence.
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  Speaker 2: Cody assumes an innocent person would be calm and unaffected.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So when the detective asks how he heard about the murder,
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  Speaker 2: Cody drops the most generic, untraceable answer possible. He says
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  Speaker 2: he saw it on social media and the news.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Isaac.
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  Speaker 2: But he doesn't stop there. He immediately starts actively portraying
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  Speaker 2: himself as innocent. like a mentor figure to the victim.
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  Speaker 1: He starts listing off his good deeds like he's reading
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  Speaker 1: from a resume. He tells the detectives that he helped
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  Speaker 1: Nathan move from his mom's house into a new apartment.
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  Speaker 2: He goes much deeper into the savior role, too. He
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  Speaker 2: claims that Nathan had recently been struggling heavily, that Nathan
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  Speaker 2: had called him in desperation after getting arrested for a DUI.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: Cody tells this elaborate story about personally driving to the
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  Speaker 2: impound lot, helping Nathan retrieve his belongings, and then driving
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  Speaker 2: him all the way to his grandmother's house in Oregon City.
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  Speaker 1: It is quite the performance. I mean, he's painting himself
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  Speaker 1: as the ultimate Good Samaritan. But while he's busy building
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  Speaker 1: himself up, he starts volunteering a lot of very specific,
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  Speaker 1: highly negative information about Nathan.
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  Speaker 2: Which is always a red flag.
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  Speaker 1: Huge red flag. He casually mentions that Nathan, who used
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  Speaker 1: to actually work as a recovery mentor... was actively relapsing
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  Speaker 1: and struggling with his own drug addiction. And then, out
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  Speaker 1: of nowhere, Cody drops this massive detail. He implies that
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  Speaker 1: Nathan was making unhinged, violent threats against him on Facebook.
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  Speaker 2: This is a textbook example of oversharing, which in an
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  Speaker 2: interrogation setting is almost always a blaring siren.
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  Speaker 1: What does he say Nathan was threatening him with?
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  Speaker 2: Cody claims Nathan was tied up with the cartel and
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  Speaker 2: the GD, which presumably means the Gangster Disciples. and that
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  Speaker 2: Nathan was threatening to end Cody's life.
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  Speaker 1: That's insane.
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  Speaker 2: Now think about the cognitive dissonance happening in Cody's mind.
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  Speaker 2: By painting the victim as a struggling addict wrapped up
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  Speaker 2: with international drug cartels and violent street gangs, Cody is
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  Speaker 2: desperately trying to hand the police a prepackaged alternative suspect.
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  Speaker 1: He's essentially trying to do the detectives' jobs for them.
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  Speaker 1: He wants them to think, oh, this guy was threatening
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  Speaker 1: cartel members. Well, case closed. It must have been a
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  Speaker 1: gang hit. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go look for the cartel and leave nice, helpful
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  Speaker 2: Cody alone.
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  Speaker 1: Precisely. But then we have to address the elephant in
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  Speaker 1: the room, which is the alleged sexual assault. Cody brings
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  Speaker 1: it up himself, but he strategically downplays his own emotional
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  Speaker 1: reaction to it to an absurd degree.
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  Speaker 2: He tells the detective that Dominique was blacked out drunk,
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  Speaker 2: so she couldn't remember what actually happened with Nathan. So
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  Speaker 2: Cody claims his only response was to reach out to
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  Speaker 2: Nathan to get the full story.
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  Speaker 1: Get the full story. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He frames himself as this entirely rational, unemotional peacemaker. He
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  Speaker 2: tells the police that all he asked Nathan for was
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  Speaker 2: some simple screenshots of text messages just to get clarity
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  Speaker 2: on the situation.
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  Speaker 1: Just simple screenshots, sure.
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  Speaker 2: Cody claims Nathan got incredibly heated and defensive. But Cody
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  Speaker 2: portrays his own reaction as completely level-headed. He says he
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  Speaker 2: just calmly told Nathan to holler at him whenever he
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  Speaker 2: cooled off.
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  Speaker 1: I have to stop right here. Because if you are
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  Speaker 1: the detective sitting across the table, alarm bells have to
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  Speaker 1: be deafening at this point.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely ringing off the hook.
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  Speaker 1: If someone supposedly sexually assaulted your fiancé, the woman you're
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  Speaker 1: going to marry, why are you acting so entirely unbothered
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  Speaker 1: in a police station?
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 1: Right! If someone hurt someone you love, wouldn't you be furious?
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  Speaker 1: Or at the very least, visibly distraught?
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  Speaker 2: You would think so.
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  Speaker 1: Acting like a potential sexual assault is just a mild
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  Speaker 1: disagreement over text messages feels so incredibly unnatural. It's like
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  Speaker 1: a magician waving a giant red flag with his left hand, screaming,
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  Speaker 1: look at the cartel so you don't look at the
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  Speaker 1: bloody knife in his right hand. He's putting a spotlight
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  Speaker 1: on Nathan's supposed erratic behavior to keep the police in
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  Speaker 1: the dark about his own.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I see where you're going with the magician analogy,
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  Speaker 2: but it's actually less about distraction and more about a
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  Speaker 2: profound misunderstanding of human empathy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, interesting. How so?
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  Speaker 2: Cody is overcorrecting because he lacks the emotional intelligence to
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  Speaker 2: mimic true grief or outrage. He thinks an innocent person
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  Speaker 2: acts cool and detached, like an observer.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, I see.
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  Speaker 2: But a truly innocent person whose fiancé was just allegedly
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  Speaker 2: assaulted and whose friend was just murdered would be emotionally volatile.
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  Speaker 2: They'd be demanding answers. They would be angry, sad, confused.
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  Speaker 1: They wouldn't just be sitting there calmly.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Cody is none of those things. He is just, well,
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  Speaker 2: he's chatty.
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  Speaker 1: Chatty, confident, and immensely helpful. Or so he thinks. Because
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  Speaker 1: Cody's entire helpful friend narrative relies on one massive fatal assumption.
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  Speaker 2: That the police only have his words to go on.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. He has no idea the detectives are already looking
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  Speaker 1: at a digital map of his life. And this brings
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  Speaker 1: us to the moment where the trap snaps shut.
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  Speaker 2: Up until this exact moment, the detectives have just let
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  Speaker 2: Cody talk. They've let him build this elaborate, fictionalized version
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  Speaker 2: of events where he is the calm, rational mentor. And
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  Speaker 2: then they quietly introduce the physical and digital evidence.
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  Speaker 1: The detective slides a photograph across the table. It's a
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  Speaker 1: grainy surveillance image captured near the crime scene at the
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  Speaker 1: time of Nathan's death, showing a very distinctive car.
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  Speaker 2: And Cody, still desperately clinging to his cool persona, just
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  Speaker 2: looks at it and deflects. He says, I see them everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: I see them everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: He admits it looks vaguely like his car, but says
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  Speaker 2: it's not precisely his.
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  Speaker 1: And here is where the interrogation becomes a masterclass. The
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  Speaker 1: detective doesn't argue with him. He just points out a
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  Speaker 1: very specific detail in the surveillance photo. Right.
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  Speaker 2: There is a particular sticker in the back window of
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  Speaker 2: the vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: The detective casually asks Cody, has your car ever had
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  Speaker 1: a sticker like that?
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  Speaker 2: Cody locks himself in. He doesn't hesitate. He says, no, never,
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  Speaker 2: never had a sticker.
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  Speaker 1: He says it multiple times. No, never, never had a sticker.
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  Speaker 1: He's so definitive, so... confident. And that is exactly what
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  Speaker 1: the detectives were waiting for.
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  Speaker 2: It's the perfect setup.
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  Speaker 1: Because then they introduce him to the reality of Clackamas
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  Speaker 1: County's ALPR system.
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  Speaker 2: Automatic license plate readers. If you aren't familiar with how
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  Speaker 2: deeply embedded this technology is, It is a paradigm shift
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  Speaker 2: in modern policing.
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  Speaker 1: Can you explain how it works for those who might
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  Speaker 1: not know?
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  Speaker 2: Sure. These are high-speed, computer-controlled camera systems. They are mounted
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  Speaker 2: on street poles, highway overpasses, even on the hoods of
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  Speaker 2: everyday police cruisers.
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  Speaker 1: So they're just everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Everywhere. They use optical character recognition to automatically read the
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  Speaker 2: license plate of every single car that drives past, instantly
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  Speaker 2: cross-referencing it with time, date, and GPS coordinates. Wow. And
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  Speaker 2: they don't just catch plates. They capture high-resolution contextual photos
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  Speaker 2: of the vehicle's make, model, and distinguishing features.
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  Speaker 1: So when a crime happens, detectives don't just look for
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  Speaker 1: witnesses anymore. They query the ALPR database, they type in
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  Speaker 1: a plate or vehicle description, and the system draws a
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  Speaker 1: literal map of everywhere that car has been for the
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  Speaker 1: last week.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. What's fascinating here is the tactical deployment of this
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  Speaker 2: technology in the interrogation room.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't just lead with it.
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  Speaker 2: Right. The police didn't walk in and say, we have
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  Speaker 2: ALPR data showing your car at the scene. They let
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  Speaker 2: Cody commit to a highly specific lie first. They let
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  Speaker 2: him explicitly deny ever having a sticker on his car
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  Speaker 2: before they drop the hammer.
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  Speaker 1: And the hammer is devastating. The detective pulls out an
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  Speaker 1: ALPR photo of Cody's actual car connected to his actual
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  Speaker 1: license plate taken on April 28th. That is just one
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  Speaker 1: day before the murder.
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  Speaker 2: And clear as day, right there in the window, is
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  Speaker 2: that exact same sticker.
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  Speaker 1: The psychological pivot from Cody in this moment is instantaneous.
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  Speaker 1: He goes from calm and collected to a state of
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  Speaker 1: absolute cornered panic.
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  Speaker 2: His brain is experiencing a sudden influx of cortisol and adrenaline.
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  Speaker 2: The logical centers of his brain are shutting down and
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  Speaker 2: his immediate desperate response is to blurt out, Somebody put
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  Speaker 2: a sticker on my car.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody put a sticker on my car. It is such
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  Speaker 1: an absurd juvenile defense.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: But as you said, it's the only rationalization his brain
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  Speaker 1: can generate in that fraction of a second when his
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  Speaker 1: reality collapses. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And before he can even process the absurdity of his
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  Speaker 2: own excuse, the detectives reveal another massive piece of the
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  Speaker 2: digital puzzle.
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  Speaker 1: What do they tell him?
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  Speaker 2: They tell Cody that when they found Nathan's body, his
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  Speaker 2: cell phone wasn't in his pockets. It wasn't at the scene.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Instead... Digital forensics showed that in the hours immediately following
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  Speaker 2: Nathan's death, his cell phone traveled directly to the geographic
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  Speaker 2: area of Cody's apartment.
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  Speaker 1: This is the reality of committing a crime today. Criminals
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  Speaker 1: are no longer just fighting biological forensics. You aren't just
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  Speaker 1: worried about leaving a hair follicle or a shoe print. No.
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  Speaker 1: You are fighting an invisible, omniscient digital grid that you
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  Speaker 1: cannot touch, you cannot see, and you cannot manipulate.
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  Speaker 2: Cell tower triangulation. works by measuring the time delay of
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  Speaker 2: a signal as it pings back and forth between your
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  Speaker 2: phone and the three nearest cellular towers.
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  Speaker 1: Even if you have the GPS turned off.
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  Speaker 2: Even if you turn off your GPS. Even if you
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  Speaker 2: don't make a call. As long as that phone is
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  Speaker 2: powered on and trying to connect to a network, it
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  Speaker 2: is broadcasting its coordinates. You simply cannot outsmart a mathematical
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  Speaker 2: grid with a smooth story.
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  Speaker 1: Which raises a massive question for me. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, you've probably screamed this at
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  Speaker 1: your television during a true crime documentary. Why do criminals
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  Speaker 1: still take the victim's phone?
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  Speaker 2: It's the ultimate mistake.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like the absolute number one rule of getting
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  Speaker 1: away with a crime in the 21st century should be
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  Speaker 1: leave the GPS tracker behind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you would think.
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  Speaker 1: It's like trying to sneak out of a house that
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  Speaker 1: is covered in wet paint. No matter how quiet you are,
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  Speaker 1: no matter how carefully you step, you are leaving a
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  Speaker 1: neon glowing trail right back to your bedroom. So why
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  Speaker 1: pick up the paint-covered phone?
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  Speaker 2: It is a great question, and it really comes back
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  Speaker 2: to the cognitive overload we just talked about. In a calm,
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  Speaker 2: rational state, yes, everyone knows a phone tracks location.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But in the immediate aftermath of a murder, the perpetrator's
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  Speaker 2: heart rate is at like 160 beats per minute. Their
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  Speaker 2: prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain responsible for long-term
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  Speaker 2: planning and logical consequence, is essentially offline.
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  Speaker 1: So they're just reacting.
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  Speaker 2: They are operating purely on the amygdala, the fight-or-flight center.
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  Speaker 1: So they aren't thinking about cell towers. They're thinking about
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  Speaker 1: text messages.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. They panic. They think, what if there are text
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  Speaker 2: messages on this phone between me and the victim? What
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  Speaker 2: if my name is in the call log?
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  Speaker 1: Ah, I see.
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  Speaker 2: They view the phone as a container of immediate incriminating evidence.
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  Speaker 2: They think they are destroying evidence by taking it, completely
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  Speaker 2: blind to the fact that the device itself is a
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  Speaker 2: beacon broadcasting their getaway route to the entire world.
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  Speaker 1: In the heat of adrenaline, human beings make terrible, terrible
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  Speaker 1: long-term calculations.
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  Speaker 2: Very true.
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  Speaker 1: And Cody realizes very quickly that all of his calculations
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  Speaker 1: have failed. Faced with the car, the undeniable sticker, the
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  Speaker 1: cell phone pings tracking directly to his front door, the
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  Speaker 1: detective finally stops playing along.
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  Speaker 2: He changes his tone entirely.
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  Speaker 1: He looks at Cody and says, I'm fairly certain that
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  Speaker 1: you're involved in this. And Cody does what anyone in
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  Speaker 1: his position should do. He exercises his constitutional rights. He
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  Speaker 1: asks for a lawyer.
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  Speaker 2: And instantly, the Miranda dance begins. In the United States
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  Speaker 2: legal system, the moment a suspect in custody explicitly asks
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  Speaker 2: for an attorney, the police are legally obligated to cease
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  Speaker 2: all questioning regarding the crime immediately.
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  Speaker 1: And to this detective's credit, he does exactly that. The
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  Speaker 1: interrogation effectively ends right there on the spot.
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  Speaker 2: He plays it perfectly by the book.
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  Speaker 1: The detective calmly explains the next steps. He tells Cody
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  Speaker 1: he's going to be lodged in jail. And asks if
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  Speaker 1: Cody will voluntarily provide a DNA cheek swab just to
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  Speaker 1: expedite getting him down to booking so he can make
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  Speaker 1: his phone call.
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  Speaker 2: And Cody agrees, casually mentioning that his DNA is already
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  Speaker 2: in the system anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Right. But then, as the detective is preparing the swab,
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  Speaker 1: something shifts in the room. The silence starts to weigh
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  Speaker 1: on Cody.
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  Speaker 2: This is one of the most fascinating psychological phenomena you
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: will ever witness in law enforcement. The profound, suffocating discomfort
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: of silence for a guilty conscience.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Why is silence so heavy for them? I mean, shouldn't
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: they be relieved the questioning stopped?
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: You'd think so. But lying requires an immense amount of
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: cognitive maintenance. When you are telling a lie, you are
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: constantly monitoring the other person's reactions, adjusting your story, trying
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: to plug the holes.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: When Cody lawyered up, he stopped to detect his questions,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: but he also completely lost control of the narrative. He
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: is no longer the helpful friend steering the investigation. He's
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: now a murder suspect sitting in a sterile, quiet room
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: waiting to be locked in a cage.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: And the silence lets that reality sink in.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The silence allows his brain to process the reality
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: of his situation. And the anxiety becomes intolerable.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: So he tries to backpedal. He literally looks at the
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: detective completely unprompted and says, can we talk without a
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: bunch of questions being asked?
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: It is an incredible request. Think about the audacity of it.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: It's wild. He wants the benefit of talking, of trying
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: to spin his story and manipulate the detective's perception again.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: But he realizes the detective's pointed questions are what trapped
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: him in the first place with the sticker.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: So he asks for a one-sided conversation where he can
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: just monologue without the threat of scrutiny.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: It is such an absurd concept. He says, can we
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: talk without a bunch of questions being asked to a
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: homicide detective?
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Pretty funny when you think about it.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: It's like, walking into a boxing ring, handing the other
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: guy your gloves, and saying, hey, can we just shadow box?
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: He wants the benefit of explaining himself without the hazard
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: of being hit back with facts.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: But the detective doesn't take the bait. He is incredibly
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: careful here, showing strict adherence to legal procedure.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Because if he messes up, the whole case is in jeopardy.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Exactly. If the detective just starts chatting, a defense attorney
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: will get the entire confession thrown out in court. The
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: detective tells Cody, that's literally my job to ask questions.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: If we don't ask you questions, I'm not earning my money.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: And more importantly, the detective explicitly explains that because Cody
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: invoked his right to counsel, the police cannot initiate conversation
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: about the case. If Cody wants to talk, Cody has
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: to legally, voluntarily waive his rights all over again.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: The detective makes Cody jump through every single legal hoop
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: to ensure this re-engagement is bulletproof.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I noticed that. He makes Cody spell his last name
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: out loud for the recording.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: He does. He explicitly asks, did anything I say when
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: we were in the room together influence your decision to
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: talk to me or not? He is building an impenetrable
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: legal wall to ensure no one can ever claim Cody
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: was coerced.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: And Cody, completely failing to realize that he is entirely
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: outmatched in this chess game, ultimately agrees. He waives his
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Miranda rights a second time, genuinely believing he can still
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: talk his way out of a murder charge using only
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: his charisma.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Which is just a staggering level of arrogance.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Really is. But while Cody is sitting in that room,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: preparing to launch into his second act, the police are
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: running a massive parallel investigation.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Because they don't just have Cody in custody.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Right. They bring in his fiancée, Dominique Britt. who holds
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the remaining pieces of this puzzle.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: And this is where the context of their relationship becomes
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: absolutely critical to understanding the crime.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Because as the detectives start questioning Dominique, we learn that
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: just days before Nathan's murder, Cody was actually arrested and
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: sitting in jail for a domestic violence incident against Dominique.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: We have to pause and explore the psychology of this
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: fractured partnership.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Because this isn't just a couple who committed a crime.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: This is a dynamic steeped in a cycle of abuse
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: and and trauma bonding.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Right. And the timeline is incredibly volatile. It was while
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Cody was sitting in a jail cell for assaulting Dominique
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: that Dominique went to a gathering where Nathan was present.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: She got blacked out drunk. And this is when the
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: alleged unproven sexual assault occurred.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: When Dominique is initially brought into the interrogation room, she
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: tries to walk an impossibly fine line. She acknowledges to
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the police that Cody was furious about what allegedly happened
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: with Nathan.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: But she attempts to drastically minimize her own involvement. And
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: more importantly, she tries to minimize Cody's ultimate intentions.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: She tells the police that Cody's grand plan was just
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: to beat him up. She says she actively tried to
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: distance herself from the violence. Claiming she told Cody, dude,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: it's not worth it because if for some reason you
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: guys get caught, what am I going to do?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: This reveals so much about the twisted loyalty inherent in
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: abusive relationships. We have a documented cycle of violence, the
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: recent DV arrest, followed by this extreme, almost codependent loyalty
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: where she feels compelled to protect her abuser from a
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: murder charge.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: By framing Cody's intentions as a simple assault, like a
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: fistfight to defend her honor... She is trying to create
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: a narrative where the murder was an unforeseen accident rather
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: than a cold-blooded, calculated execution.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: But how can she claim she thought he was just
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: going to beat him up when we know there's a
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: gun involved? You don't bring a firearm to a fistfight.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: No, you definitely don't.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: She's trying to build a firebreak. If you imagine a
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: massive forest fire heading toward a town, firefighters will burn
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a small strip of land, a firebreak, to stop the
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: larger blaze.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: That's a great way to look at it.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Dominique is willing to admit to a small brush fire.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: She'll admit to knowing about a premeditated fistfight, hoping the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: detectives will be satisfied and won't notice the massive premeditated
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: murder raging right behind her.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: The firebreak analogy works perfectly here because it highlights the
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: strategy of minimization. She hopes that by admitting to something illegal,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: you know, knowing about a planned assault, she will appear
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: truthful and cooperative.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: She's giving them a little bit of the truth.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: She's giving the detectives a piece of the truth to
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: satisfy their hunger. hoping they won't dig for the rest
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: But unfortunately for Dominique, her firebreak strategy might have worked
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: perfectly in 1995, when investigations relied primarily on human testimony
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and instinct. But today, detectives have a cheat code.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: They have her cell phone.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, they do. And that brings us to the digital
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: paper trail that destroys her entire defense.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: The detectives don't argue with her about the fistfight. They
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: just casually inform Dominique that while she was talking, they
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: dumped the data from her phone. They have read every
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: single text message between her and Cody from the days
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: leading up to and the day of the murder.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: And those text messages completely obliterate her narrative of being
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: a concerned bystander. The messages are incredibly damning, and the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: detective reads them back to her word for word, forcing
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: her to listen to her own digital ghost.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: In the texts, Cody explicitly asks Dominique to bring him
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: his toy from upstairs.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: And the detective stops and asks her very plainly what
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: toy means, and she quietly admits probably the gun.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: But she tries to use semantics as a legal shield.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: She emphasizes to the detective repeatedly I didn't bring it
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: to him. She claims she flat out refused to hand
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: him the weapon.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: But in the very next breath, she openly admits that
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Cody then came to the apartment himself, grabbed a blue
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: backpack from upstairs, and took the gun on his own.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: She is highlighting the profound cognitive dissonance of her legal position.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: She genuinely believes that because she didn't physically place the
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: firearm into his hands, she is completely absolved of all
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: moral and legal responsibility.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Which is just not how the law works.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Not at all. She fails to realize that in the
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: eyes of the law, facilitating his access to the murder weapon,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: knowing his state of mind, is incredibly damning.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And the text reveals so much more about the dark
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: mechanics of their relationship. At one point, while Cody is
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: out driving around actively hunting for Nathan... Dominique texts him,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: do you even know where he is?
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: She's checking on the progress of the hunt.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then there's a line that the detectives find
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: that is just chilling. She texts Cody, I'm always loyal
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to you when it comes to crazy.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Loyal to you when it comes to crazy. That phrase
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: is a terrifying window into how toxic partnerships can normalize
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: extreme lethal behaviors.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: What does she even mean by crazy?
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: When she says crazy, she is referencing the fact that
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: she had recently lied to the police about the physical
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: injuries she sustained. During the domestic violence incident, she told
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the cops she felt to protect him. Oh, wow.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: So she is equating covering up his physical abuse of
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: her with covering up his violence toward others.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: She is wrapping her complicity up in the language of
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: romantic loyalty.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: She views being a co-conspirator to violence as proof of
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: being a good, loyal partner. It's a trauma bond masquerading
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: as devotion.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: And Cotillard's texts back to her are equally alarming. Before
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the murder happens, he texts her ominous, fatalistic warnings like,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you're never going to see me and I'm never going
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: to come back.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: It's all so dramatic.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: It is. I have to pause here because I am
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: just continually stunned by the digital literalism of this era.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about your own phone right now,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: you realize how much of your inner monologue you type out. True.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: But why do people text this stuff when they are
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: planning a crime? It has a literal script of a conspiracy.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: It's like writing a screenplay of your own crime, casting
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: yourselves as the villains, documenting your exact motives, and then
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: handing the script directly to the critics, the police. Why
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: not just call? Or talk in person?
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: It is baffling to outside observers, but it stems from
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: the phenomenon of digital disinhibition. Our phones have become literal
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: extensions of our prefrontal cortex.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, what does that mean in practice?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: We use text messaging for stream-of-consciousness communication. When people are
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: in heightened... Volatile emotional states, like the hours leading up
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: to a revenge killing. They lose the ability to compartmentally
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: filter what is safe to document and what isn't.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: So the brain doesn't process typing a text message the
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: same way it processes writing a letter or speaking out loud.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The physical disconnect of tapping on glass lowers the
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: threshold for extreme statements. The brain treats the chat interface
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: as an ephemeral, passing conversation.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: They feel like they're just talking. Right.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: They feel like they are just talking. completely ignoring the
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: reality that server farms are permanently logging every single keystroke.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: They mistake the speed of texting for the invisibility of speech.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: And that permanent log doesn't just doom Dominique on the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: preparation of the crime. It dooms her while the crime
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: is actively happening.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: This moves us into examining the culpability spectrum. We have
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: to look at the massive legal canyon between being a
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: passive bystander and being an active co-conspirator.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: The detectives pull out the final, most chilling sequence of text.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: These are messages sent right around the time Nathan is
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: picked up and ultimately killed.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Dominique isn't trying to stop him. She's actively asking for
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: status updates. She texts Cody, are you there yet?
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And Cody replies, confirming he has the victim. He texts, yep,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I got him in the car. He said it'd be
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the easiest.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Now put yourself in Dominique's shoes. You know your violent fiancé,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: who just asked for his gun, now has the man
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: he wants to hurt in his vehicle. How do you respond?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: You call the police?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: You would hope. But Dominique replies to that text with, OK, baby,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: be safe. Then come home and take a walk with us.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: OK, baby, be safe.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the broader picture of criminal law,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: this exact text exchange is where the legal and moral
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: definition of a co-conspirator crystallizes.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Conspiracy requires two things, right?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yes. The intent to commit a crime and an overt
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: act toward its completion. The detectives brilliantly use her own
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: words to dismantle her false sense of passivity.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Telling someone to be safe and come home while you
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: know that they possess a firearm and are actively holding
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: a target in their car is not passive.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Not at all. It is active encouragement. It is moral
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: support for a murder.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: The detective presses her incredibly hard on this exact point.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: He forces her to choose a reality. He says, look
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: at these texts. Either you were good to go with
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: it from the beginning or this was your idea entirely
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and you wound him up and cut him loose. Which
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: is it?
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: And under that immense, unavoidable pressure... Dominique finally breaks down.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: She starts weeping, but her defense remains pathetic.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: What would she say?
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: She whimpers to the detective, if it needs to happen,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: then it needs to happen. I just told him, okay,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: if it needs to happen, but you're going to get caught.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: The detective immediately pounces on her terminology, if it needs
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: to happen. He explains to her that saying that out
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: loud is verbal acceptance. It is authorization.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: It's the overt act of support.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: And then the detective delivers what I honestly think is
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the most devastating line of the entire interrogation. As she's
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: sitting there crying, trying to play the victim, he looks
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: at her and coldly says, You're not upset for Nate.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: You're upset because you got caught.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: It completely strips away all her performative grief. It forces
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: her to look in the mirror and realize that her
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: tears are entirely selfish.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: And I completely challenge her whole idea that she was
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: just going with the flow because she was scared. She
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: claims she didn't know how to stop it.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: But as the detective points out to her, She had
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: the entire weekend to call the police.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Exactly. She knew about this escalating rage on Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and most of Monday before Nathan was finally killed. She
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: had days to step out of the apartment, go to
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: a payphone, or use a friend's phone to make an
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: anonymous tip.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: She did nothing.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: She's claiming she was just a terrified passenger in the car,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: but the text messages prove she was in the passenger
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: seat giving him turn-by-turn directions to the cliff.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Her complete inaction, combined with her digital texts of encouragement,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: move her definitively legally from a bystander to an active
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: participant in the conspiracy. The detectives have completely systematically dismantled
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: her narrative.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: She has talked and texted herself into a corner that
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: she can never leave.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: So while Dominique is crumbling under the weight of her
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: own digital words in one room, the detectives return to
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Cody for one final psychological checkmate.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Because Cody, remember, has voluntarily waived his right to a lawyer.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: He wants to talk. He still believes he can argue
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: his way out the front door.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: And Cody's hater's final stand relies on a bizarre pivot.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: He tries to play the family man card.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Which is an incredible shift in tone from the guy
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: who was just casually talking about cartels. Right.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: He looks at the detectives trying to project this aura
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: of wholesome morality and asks, why would he jeopardize his
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: life to kill this guy? He said, I put life
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: into this world. Why would I want to take it out?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: The sheer audacity of that statement. He's trying to use
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: his child as a shield.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: But the detective doesn't even blink. He doesn't entertain the emotion.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: The detective just coldly, flatly replies, people have been killed
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: for their shoes.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: It's a brilliant, neutralizing counterpunch. The detective absolutely refuses to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: engage in a philosophical or emotional debate about fatherhood.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Instead, the detectives pivot immediately to laying out the hard,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: indisputable physical evidence of premeditation that they have gathered while
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Cody was sitting in silence. Yeah. They laid out like
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: a timeline, proving exactly how cold-blooded this was.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: They tell Cody they know exactly what he did. They
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: know he took his license plates off his car before
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: the murder.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: They have the video evidence of him picking Nathan up,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: driving him to a secluded alleyway, shooting him three times,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: driving off, and then eventually pulling over to put the
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: license plates back on his car.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: We have to focus on the removal of the license plates.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: That specific action is the definitive legal line between a tragic, spontaneous,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: emotional outburst... and a cold-blooded calculated execution.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: You do not unscrew your license plates in a fit
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: of sudden blinding rage. You remove them because you are calmly,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: methodically planning to commit a major felony and you are
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: planning to escape undetected.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: And I have to point out the absolute sickening irony
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: of Cody's moral defense here. He tries to sit in
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: that room and act like he's fundamentally above violence because
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: He's a father who puts life into this world. Right.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: He is completely ignoring the fact that the detectives already
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: know he was literally just sitting in a jail cell
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: for committing domestic violence against the mother of that very child.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: His self-image is entirely pathologically detached from his actual behavior.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Which is exactly why the detectives deploy a classic, incredibly
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: effective interrogation technique often referred to as the hierarchy of bad.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Or providing a multiple choice trap.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: They know his ego is detached from reality, so they
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: use that against him.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: The detective lays out three very specific options for Cody
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: to explain what happened in that alleyway.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Right. The detective leans in and says, option one, it
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: was a crime of passion. You got pissed off in
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the moment, you lost control, and you shot him. Legally,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: this would be second degree murder.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Option two, you planned it ahead of time. You hunted
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: him down, which is first degree murder and carries the
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: harshest penalty.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Or option three, you meant to shoot him just to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: scare him or hurt him, but you didn't mean to
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: actually kill him.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Now let's break down how this technique works neurologically on
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: a suspect under pressure. This technique is designed to offer
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: a false sense of agency to a trapped animal.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Because the detectors already know it was premeditated.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The removed license plates prove it beyond a shadow
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: of a doubt. But by offering a lesser evil, the
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: crime of passion or the accidental death, They are trying
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: to coax a confession out of a suspect who is desperate,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: whose brain is screaming for a way to avoid the
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: absolute worst case scenario.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: They want Cody to think, if I just admit to
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: option one, the crime of passion, they'll understand. I won't
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: get hit with option two, the premeditated murder.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: It's like a twisted multiple choice test, where A, B,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: and C all lead directly to a prison cell. But
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: the detective wants Cody to feel like picking A makes
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: him a good guy who just made a very understandable mistake.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Precisely. The suspect grabs onto the lesser charge like a
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: life preserver, completely failing to realize it's an anchor that
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: will still drown them in a courtroom.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: But Cody, perhaps showing his only flash of self-preservation in
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: the entire interview, finally sees the walls closing in.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: He looks at the options, realizes that none of them
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: get him out the door, and his ego finally fractures.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: He tells the detective, I think it's time to get
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: a lawyer now, because all three of those options are bad.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: He makes the smart choice to finally shut his mouth,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: but it is far, far too late. The damage is
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: entirely done.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: He has already confirmed his ownership of the car. He
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: has emphatically denied the existence of the window sticker that
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: exists on ALPR camera.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: And while he was doing that, his fiancée in the
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: other room has already provided the motive and the text
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: messages that legally prove the conspiracy.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: The evidence they built together is entirely overwhelming, which leads
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: us to the final legal reckoning of this tragedy.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Because despite all the maneuvering, The digital and physical evidence
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: left their defense attorneys with virtually nothing to work with
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: in a courtroom.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Initially, both Cody Denwith and Dominique Britt were charged with
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: first-degree murder. If they had gambled, gone to trial, and
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: been found guilty of those charges, they both likely would
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: have spent the rest of their natural lives in a
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: state penitentiary.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: But they didn't go to trial. The digital paper trail
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: was too strong. They both took plea deals to avoid
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: life sentences.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Cody pleaded guilty to first-degree manslaughter. And he was sentenced
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: to 27 and a half years in prison. Dominique also
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: pleaded guilty to manslaughter, and she was sentenced to roughly
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: 12 and a half years in prison.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: And as we close this analysis, we have to reiterate
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the incredibly tragic, deeply hollow nature of the motive that
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: sparked all of this death and ruin.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: We do. Law enforcement stated publicly that they were never
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: able to prove that the sexual assault, the singular event
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: that Cody and Dominique used to justify this entire horrific
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: chain of events, actually happened.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: It's staggering to think about. When you synthesize this entire case,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: it is a terrifying reflection on how quickly multiple lives
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: can be destroyed. Nathan's life ended violently, and Cody and
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Dominique threw their own lives away, all driven by raw,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: unchecked human emotion, armed with a weapon and fueled by
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: a toxic relationship.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Yes. And from an analytical perspective, it also highlights a permanent,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: irreversible shift in our society. The era of the cinematic
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: perfect crime is largely over.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Because of the tech.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Modern technology, the constant cell phone pings, the permanent text
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: message databases, the automatic license plate readers tracking our every move,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: guarantees that the cover-up will almost always fail. Human beings,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: especially when fueled by anger and adrenaline, are simply too
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: emotional and too erratic to successfully outsmart the cold, unblinking
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: memory of the digital grid.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Which brings us right back to where we started. We
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: thought we were looking for a physical clue, a fingerprint
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: or a discarded matchstick. But the puzzle was ultimately solved
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: by the invisible digital ghosts these two left behind in
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the ether.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: And I want to leave you listening to this right
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: now with a thought experiment. Think about the digital breadcrumbs
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: you leave behind every single day.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Your casual text messages, the Bluetooth connection syncing in your car,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: your phone's GPS constantly pinging the cell towers around you
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: as you drive to work.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: We view all of these things as modern conveniences, you know,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: things that make our lives easier. But cases like this
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: prove that they are also permanent, unerasable witnesses to our lives.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: If you had to explain your last 24 hours to
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: a detective based only on your digital footprint, what story
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: would it tell about you?
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: It's a sobering thought. The truth is rarely murky anymore.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: It's just waiting in the data.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Until next time, keep diving deep.