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Weinstein GUILTY; and where is Evelyn Boswell? Mom says grandma took her. Grandma is in jail. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: All eyes on a New York courtroom as we wait
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  Speaker 1: for sentencing. Don't worry, Harvey Weinstein's lawyers are back in
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  Speaker 1: court arguing for an appeal bond so he can be
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  Speaker 1: out of jail while he waits for his appeal to
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  Speaker 1: be heard. That could be in a couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: And also the baby Evelett, This little tot has been
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  Speaker 1: missing since December. What is this tot? Mom? Casey Anthony
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  Speaker 1: all over again? Crime stories with Nancy Grace Well against
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  Speaker 1: all odds, Lady Justice one out. You know, it makes
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  Speaker 1: it all worthwhile, all the investigation, all the witnesses and
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  Speaker 1: their heartaches, and their ups and their downs, all the
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  Speaker 1: legal wrangling. It's lie to two cats and a barrel
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  Speaker 1: fighting it out. But finally, yesterday we learn the powerful
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  Speaker 1: movie mogul Harvey Weinstein has been convicted. You see all
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  Speaker 1: sorts of interpretations in the media claiming it was a
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  Speaker 1: huge defeat for the state. That is not true. Who
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  Speaker 1: would have ever thunk that regular women trying to make
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  Speaker 1: a living going along to get along could bring down
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  Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein. Many legal legals did not think it was possible,
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  Speaker 1: but it happened. Take a listen to this what do
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  Speaker 1: we have to do. I'm going to think ry suvera
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  Speaker 1: and on the bar barrass and me. I'm sorry, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Yes that I was kind of aggressive for
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  Speaker 1: I need to know a person saying I would think. Please,
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  Speaker 1: I swear I won't just sit with me. Don't embarrass
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  Speaker 1: me in the hotel. I'm here all the time. I'm fair.
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  Speaker 1: Please sit there completely. In one minute, I have to
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  Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. I don't want to do count behind,
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  Speaker 1: don't want to go to the bath Listen to me,
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  Speaker 1: I want to go there. I'm not going to do anything.
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  Speaker 1: We will never see me again after this. If you
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  Speaker 1: if you embarrass me in this hotel, I'm not embarrassing.
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  Speaker 1: It's just that I don't I don't feel comfortable. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: don't have to pay with me. Please, I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to do anything. I swear my children please come in
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  Speaker 1: on everything. I'm a famous guys being very comfortable coming now.
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  Speaker 1: That just hurts me to hear it. What you were
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  Speaker 1: hearing is sound released by the New Yorker magazine. And
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  Speaker 1: that was a wire. That's what wires sound like. You
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  Speaker 1: can't always hear every word. I've listened to a million
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  Speaker 1: secret recorded audio tapes. You can't always hear what they're saying,
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  Speaker 1: but I could hear enough. And as I recall, this
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  Speaker 1: jury didn't even hear that this was an actress, Ambra
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  Speaker 1: Batalana guitaras a twenty two year old Italian model who
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  Speaker 1: had been hit on. That's ephanistic by Harvey Weinstein. And
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  Speaker 1: you hear her going no, no, no, and he's saying,
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  Speaker 1: don't embarrass me. He was embarrassing himself. I mean, see, Grace,
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  Speaker 1: this is crime stories. You were hearing the truth as
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  Speaker 1: it happened, and I don't think this jury even heard that.
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  Speaker 1: They heard from other Weinstein victims. Joining me an all
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  Speaker 1: star panel. Darrel Cohen, former prosecutor in Inner City Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: Now sadly he's gone to the dark side. Now he's
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  Speaker 1: the defense lawyer joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction RightNow.
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  Speaker 1: Psychoanalyst to the stars. She's usually dealing with the problems
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  Speaker 1: on Rodeo Drive, but now it's getting real today with me.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalist, joining me from Beverly Hills, founder
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  Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, my friend and
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  Speaker 1: longtime colleague, crime Scene expert Cheryl McCollum. Charlot, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: you were cringing when you heard guitar as trying to
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  Speaker 1: fend off Harvey Weinstey, But right now to investigate a
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  Speaker 1: reporter with my number one favorite paper, The New York Post,
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  Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg. Rebecca, when I hear guitar as going no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: it makes me sick when I heard before I get
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  Speaker 1: into the verdict, let me ask you something. Why did
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  Speaker 1: Cyrus Vance, the elected district attorney, sit on his thumb.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just think about that, with this thumb up his
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  Speaker 1: rear end on all of these claims before he would
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  Speaker 1: finally bring charges. I mean, he had this sound that
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  Speaker 1: we just heard, did nothing. Yeah, came under a lot
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  Speaker 1: of fire for that decision, and I think that had
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  Speaker 1: a lot to do with why he ultimately brought the
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  Speaker 1: case later against Harvey Weinstein, which which he triumphed in yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that you know, that was a misdemeanor,
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  Speaker 1: the charge involving her, and I think the office made
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  Speaker 1: a decision. Oh well, whoa, whoa wait a minute, Rebecca Rosenberg.
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  Speaker 1: Now you know how I feel about you and the Post.
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  Speaker 1: But Harvey Weinstein dragging this woman, touching her inappropriately and
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  Speaker 1: saying he wants her to watch him take a shower.
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  Speaker 1: I a masturbate in the shower. There's really no nice
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  Speaker 1: way to say that, so I'll just put it out there.
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  Speaker 1: How can that just be a misdemeanor? This the woman
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  Speaker 1: who's felony disgusting Ombra. That was not one of the
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  Speaker 1: allegations that Ombra made. He groped her, He groped her breast,
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  Speaker 1: He tried to slip his hand under her skirt, and
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  Speaker 1: then she called the police. So for her, that was
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  Speaker 1: a misdemeanor. She was not part of the crist Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you're right, You're right. I don't know. I know it's
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  Speaker 1: viewed as this as a simple battery, like grabbing somebody
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  Speaker 1: on the arm, But I don't know when it's your breast,
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  Speaker 1: Daryl co would take off your defense at just one moment.
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  Speaker 1: Why can't that be a felony, a felony sexual touching.
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  Speaker 1: I think in every jurisdiction, Nancy, it's a little bit different.
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  Speaker 1: In Georgia, it would be a felony. In Florida would
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  Speaker 1: be a felony. You aren't write it would be. It's
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  Speaker 1: not a felony because Cyrus Van says it's not a felony. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: hold on, Why am I having to hear this from
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  Speaker 1: the New York Post instead of play being played in court? Again,
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  Speaker 1: this was not one of the victims this jury heard about.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get to the verdict. I got to
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  Speaker 1: hear this, salasten and one minute as you want to
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  Speaker 1: leave when the guy comes from priest Please, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: Just come on, used today? Are you used to that? No?
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not used today. Please, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: to this now you embarras call me again. But yes
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  Speaker 1: there was. I mean, I will never do another thing
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  Speaker 1: to you five minutes. I don't ruin your friendship with
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  Speaker 1: me for five minutes. I know, but it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: like it's so much for you. Okay, please, you're making
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  Speaker 1: a big scene here, but I want to once again,
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  Speaker 1: you were hearing an undercover sting with me an all
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  Speaker 1: star panel right now, Daryl Cohen, doctor Bethany Marshall, Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: and Rebecca Rosenberg from the New York Post. Rebecca, I
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  Speaker 1: want to fast forward from what we were just hearing.
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  Speaker 1: And that was Ambro Gutrez who said that Weinstein inappropriately
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  Speaker 1: sexually touched her against her will and made her watch
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  Speaker 1: him take a shower. Hold that mental image, Rebecca. There
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  Speaker 1: was one Gerard that when he saw the images of
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  Speaker 1: Weinstein naked, actually clenched his teeth and looked up at
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  Speaker 1: the ceiling like, Okay, I can't get that out of
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  Speaker 1: my head. Ever. Tell me what you think was the
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  Speaker 1: major factor that led to Harvey Weinstein's conviction. I think
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  Speaker 1: that they had six women making accusations, even though three
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  Speaker 1: of them were prior bad act witnesses. He wasn't charged
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  Speaker 1: for them. But I think when you have six women
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  Speaker 1: who come one after the other, who who to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the same pattern, the same way that he would
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  Speaker 1: sort of lure them in and abuse them, I think
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  Speaker 1: it was just kind of overwhelming. Even though the three
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  Speaker 1: witnesses for which he was charged weren't you know that
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  Speaker 1: there were some difficulties with them of one of the
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  Speaker 1: cases was twenty seven years old. But I think it
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  Speaker 1: was just overwhelming when you had six people saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he did something similar to you know, to Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl, you've been
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  Speaker 1: to a lot of crime scenes, and you and I
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  Speaker 1: were prosecuting cases when we didn't have DNA and a
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  Speaker 1: rape case, we had to much like this case. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't have Weinstein, who was a media mogul, a
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  Speaker 1: multi millionaire. But what touched me the most about this case,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's not only the suffering of the victims,
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  Speaker 1: but the fact that they had their problems, they had
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  Speaker 1: their frailties, they had relationships with Weinstein, they pitched on projects,
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  Speaker 1: They tried to trudge forward in life even after being
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  Speaker 1: raped or being sex assaulted, and a lot of times
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  Speaker 1: juries hold that against the victims. The fact that they
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  Speaker 1: continued speaking to Weinstein. I mean, we got to drag
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  Speaker 1: people into the real world where women go along to
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  Speaker 1: get along because they think they don't have an alternative. Cheryl, Well,
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  Speaker 1: not just that, Nancy, but let's get extremely real with people.
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  Speaker 1: And in this case, he selected his victims oftentimes because
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  Speaker 1: they had a background, or he knew they were frail,
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  Speaker 1: or had middle issues or drug issues or sexual backgrounds
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  Speaker 1: that would cause them not to want to come forward. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: hould on Cheryl mc column. Let's don't let the pot
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  Speaker 1: call the kettle black here. I mean, Daryl Cohen, has
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  Speaker 1: there ever been any case ever that's been put before
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  Speaker 1: a jury. As I used to tell my gurrs, witnesses
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  Speaker 1: are not nuns and priests and virgins, all right, because
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  Speaker 1: if they were, they probably would not have been involved
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  Speaker 1: in a felony in any way, even as a witness
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  Speaker 1: to start with. So you have to take your victims
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  Speaker 1: and your witnesses as you find them. To Rebecca Rosenberg,
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter from the New York Post, Rebecca, I read
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  Speaker 1: the claims against him that are waiting for him out
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  Speaker 1: in LA, and of course he went straight to the
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  Speaker 1: hospital with chess pains last night. But what's waiting for him?
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  Speaker 1: I understand that one of the women made her outcry,
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  Speaker 1: which is when you tell someone else what has just happened.
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  Speaker 1: She made multiple outcries, although she didn't call cops immediately.
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  Speaker 1: One of the outcries was too a priest. They're going
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  Speaker 1: to have a hard time cross examining a priest. But
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  Speaker 1: what's he looking at in LA? And what do you
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  Speaker 1: think is going to happen on sentencing date March eleven
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  Speaker 1: in New York? I think that you know they're taking
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  Speaker 1: their cues from New York and as somebody else in
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  Speaker 1: the panel said, it's changed. Jurors are willing to accept
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  Speaker 1: witnesses who continued a relationship with their abuser, you know
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  Speaker 1: things that before, I think sex crimes units wouldn't bring
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  Speaker 1: the case because they felt that was too undermining to
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  Speaker 1: the victim. So I think things have changed, and I
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  Speaker 1: think that he potentially, even though some of those that
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  Speaker 1: might have similar issues, he could be convicted there as well.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a real possibility. I just don't know.
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  Speaker 1: There's a wide range. It's the talk count, it's between
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  Speaker 1: five and twenty five years. The other counts could be
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  Speaker 1: just probation and up to four years. So I just
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  Speaker 1: don't I think it's anyone's best. All eyes on a
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  Speaker 1: New York courtroom as we wait for sentencing, don't worry.
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  Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein's lawyers are back in court arguing for an
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  Speaker 1: appeal bond so he can be out of jail while
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  Speaker 1: he waits for his appeal to be heard. That could
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  Speaker 1: be in a couple of years. And also they're going
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  Speaker 1: to try to get him moved out of Rikers to
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  Speaker 1: a better prison. Not only that, I'm sure they're going
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  Speaker 1: to find my ship for a knee trial immediately, which
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: will be denied. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Jeff Cassidy
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  Speaker 1: says this case is unlike anything he's ever seen. Toddler
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  Speaker 1: Evelyn Boswell, missing more than two months, just reported missing
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  Speaker 1: this week. New information released Friday says a babysitter last
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  Speaker 1: saw Evelyn on December tenth. While the mother, Megan Boswell,
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  Speaker 1: is working with investigators, Sheriff Cassidy says her story just
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  Speaker 1: doesn't add up. You know, she is cooperating, but like
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  Speaker 1: I say, some of the information she's given us had
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  Speaker 1: and been really accurate. Megan Bosswell was seen leaving juvenile
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  Speaker 1: court Friday morning. News Channel Levin reached out for interview,
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  Speaker 1: but she declined. The reason she was there has not
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  Speaker 1: been released. As far as her assistance in the case,
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  Speaker 1: the sheriff says it hasn't led to anything solid. Her
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  Speaker 1: stories aren't leading up to stuff that we went out
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  Speaker 1: and checked on the video surveilance, I witness testimony, so
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  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of her information hadn't been
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  Speaker 1: access Regardless of sheriff is determined to bring Evelyn home.
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  Speaker 1: He is offering up to one thousand dollars of his
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  Speaker 1: own money as a reward for her safe return. Where
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  Speaker 1: is Baby Evelyn? That was News Channel twelve w JHL
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  Speaker 1: reporter Kelly Grossfield. I understand that the Amber alert is
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  Speaker 1: fairly new, but this little tot has been missing since December?
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  Speaker 1: What is this tot? Mom? Casey Anthony all over again?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I see, Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. Let's just kick it off
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  Speaker 1: at the get go with the tipline eight hundred t B,
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  Speaker 1: I find eight hundred TB I find or four two
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  Speaker 1: three two seven nine seventy five hundred repeat four two
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  Speaker 1: three two seven nine seventy five hundred. How can this
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  Speaker 1: child be missing since December? But we're just getting an
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  Speaker 1: Amber alert? I don't quite get it. With me, an
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  Speaker 1: all star panel from the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, Communications
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  Speaker 1: director Josh Divine, Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor now defense attorney,
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  Speaker 1: joining me out of Atlanta. Doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst
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  Speaker 1: to the stars, joining me from of course, Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 1: She's probably in a changing room in Sachs right now.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall dot com with me, the founder and
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  Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCullum and
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  Speaker 1: Ray Computo, lead news anchor for Orlando's Morning News ninety
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  Speaker 1: six point five w DBO. This is bad every way
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  Speaker 1: you look at it. First of all, to Josh Josh
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  Speaker 1: is at divine or divine, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: From the TBI, I don't quite understand. The baby's been
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  Speaker 1: gone since December and I'm just getting an Amber alert.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just start. How did the baby, Evelyn May Boswell,
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  Speaker 1: just fifteen months old, disappear? Because you know, I was
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  Speaker 1: working what one, two, three jobs when my children were
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  Speaker 1: fifteen months old, but either I was with them, my
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  Speaker 1: husband was with them, my parents were with them, or
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  Speaker 1: two babysitters were with them, one babysitter to watch the
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  Speaker 1: other babysitter watch the babies. Okay, so how does the
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  Speaker 1: baby just go missing? Well, that is a million dollar question,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what we're working to determine right now alongside
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  Speaker 1: both the FBI and the Sullivan County Sheriff's Office. They're
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  Speaker 1: serving as the lead agency this information. Where is Sullivan
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  Speaker 1: County Whereas Sullivan County is in Upper East Tennessee, so Bristol, Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: So kind of in that corner near Virginia, yep. And
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  Speaker 1: so the information came to us about a week ago.
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  Speaker 1: Now is when we really started having conversation. And that's
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  Speaker 1: when the local agency actually heard from the Department of
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  Speaker 1: Children's Services here in the state of Tennessee after getting
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  Speaker 1: a phone call from family members that they hadn't seen
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  Speaker 1: this baby in about two months time. Okay, Tbi Josh
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  Speaker 1: Divine telling me family called. Okay, would that be Ray Kaputo,
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  Speaker 1: lead anchor Orlando Morning News. Would that be Mommy? Is
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: that the family? Because I noticed Divine didn't say Mommy
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  Speaker 1: called called. It was the grandfather. Actually, it was the
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  Speaker 1: mommy's dad, Tommy Boswell, and he was the one that
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  Speaker 1: called DC up. Now he says that he didn't see
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  Speaker 1: Evelyn since Thanksgiving, and when they went to investigate and
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  Speaker 1: talked to Evelyn's mom, Maggie, Tommy's daughter, she really didn't
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  Speaker 1: give him a straight story. Nancy, And I heard your
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  Speaker 1: reference in Casey Anthony, because when I started reading into
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  Speaker 1: this story, that's all I could think about. There's so
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  Speaker 1: many parallels between what I saw here Orlando years ago
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  Speaker 1: and what did you just say Thanksgiving? Because I had
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  Speaker 1: her missing in December. But you're telling me Grandpa, notice
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  Speaker 1: she was gone back at Thanksgiving. Grandpa can see her
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  Speaker 1: since Thanksgiving? So there were weeks, you know, where the
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  Speaker 1: child was apparently being seen by other people. But it
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  Speaker 1: was December tenth or eleven that investigators right, right, right,
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I've got to understand something. This is
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  Speaker 1: important to me. Did he see the baby on Thanksgiving?
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  Speaker 1: Was the baby at Thanksgiving? That's what he inferred by
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  Speaker 1: saying that he hadn't seen her since Thanksgiving? So yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I believe. We saw her on Thanksgiving? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Is that right, Josh? Divine she was alive and well
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  Speaker 1: at Thanksgiving? How often was she spotted between Thanksgiving and
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  Speaker 1: the date we think she went missing into sin we're
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: trying to understand that timeline right now, Nancy. The information
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  Speaker 1: that we've provided is that she was reportedly last seen
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  Speaker 1: December twenty six, so we're trying to piece together all
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  Speaker 1: of those details. The problem is we're getting a lot
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  Speaker 1: of inconsistent information from those closest to this child. Man
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: talk about a euphemism, inconsistent information. Cheryl McCollum, you've been
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  Speaker 1: around the block a couple of times. I mean that
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  Speaker 1: in a good way. Inconsistent information that means somebody's lying.
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  Speaker 1: That's what that means. Break it down, Chrys. Soon as
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  Speaker 1: you got mama lions about a missing baby, you're concerned
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  Speaker 1: is that the baby is no longer Okay? I think
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  Speaker 1: the best scenario here is the baby have been illegally adopted.
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  Speaker 1: Worth case scenario, the baby has been killed, So they
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  Speaker 1: have to work this case worth case scenario. Crime stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace? What did I think? How b can
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  Speaker 1: you comment on it? I don't know what happened, but
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I'm the one called DCS and got this started. And
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: why did you call the ad Because my granddaughter she's
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  Speaker 1: able to come back, and I don't know what happened
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  Speaker 1: to her. One of the last time you would see
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  Speaker 1: in her Ah thanks Gibel up to his housepitall at Thanksgiven.
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  Speaker 1: So you hadn't teens Thanks Thanksgiving? I know some reports
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  Speaker 1: say that it was like early December, so years was
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  Speaker 1: a lot longer than that Thanksgiving. Had you been in
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  Speaker 1: communication with them at all? Like I knew you hadn't
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  Speaker 1: seen her. I hadn't talked to her, and not if
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I stayed busy and I talked to my ex wife,
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  Speaker 1: and I told her, I said, if they will not
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  Speaker 1: come home, I said, I will do something about it,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: and she said you better not do that. You're going
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  Speaker 1: to regret this. I wonder why they said you're going
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  Speaker 1: to regret it. This is the baby Evelyn Boswell's maternal grandfather.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Back to our friends joining us from the Tennessee urewer
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: of investigation, Josh, so you're telling me the grandpa saw
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: her on Thanksgiving and then other witnesses claimed they saw
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: her alive into December up to December twenty six. But
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I've got I'd like to evaluate those witnesses. Who is
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: the witness that claims they saw the baby December twenty six? Well, again, Nancy,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: the information that we're providing is that the baby was
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: reportedly seen December twenty six, and our agency has not
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: been offering any sort of specifics about who said what.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: That led us to state that reason being is we're
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: pursuing everything that might potentially be an investigative lead. We're
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: not in a position to discuss everything we know about
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: this case publicly because we're working behind the scenes to
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: pursue interviews investigative leads that might help us find this
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: kid fast. Okay, I'm just going to take a giant
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: leap and cobble together what I think. I think the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: mother told you she saw her on December twenty six.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Otherwise you'd say something like a neighbor or somebody at
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: church or somebody at daycare. But you're not telling me.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: You're not telling me, and you're not telling me for
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: a reason, and I respect that. I'm just deducing what
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I believe. But I do know this acording to you.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Josh Divine with the TBI, A witness says they saw
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: her on twelve twenty six. Larisa, I didn't report it
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: or anything. It's because I knew the person who had her,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and I didn't want them to run away with her.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: As soon as they thought I think was going on,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: they just kind of vanished. So I'm just worried about,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: you know, like where they're at, what they're doing with
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: her at this point in silence, Boswell wouldn't reveal who
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: to her daughter, but says they were watching Evelyn while
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: she was at work. They should just bring her back.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: They alwausly know like what's going on, and like, you know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: they need to bring her back home. When did you
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: realize that they had completely disappeared. So in a way,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I knew that as soon as anythink went down, you
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: know the person was going to just disappear. And they have,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: and they've tried to find them. They won't answer their
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: phone calls. They've just kind of disappeared. Boswell admits she
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: do things differently if given a second chance. Yeah, I'm
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: probably called the first day. I should have. Modes didn't
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: want them to run with her. They haven't. Wait, I
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: should have called the first day. Wait, she didn't. Mommy
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: didn't call on day one to find out where is
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: her baby? I mean, okay, I started to say, I'm
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: not judging what I am. I'm judging. I'm judging because
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you know, doctor Bethany Marshall, you and I've been through
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: a lot together. But doctor Bethany, if the children do
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: not come out of school in a timely manner, when
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I go to pick them up, I immediately think of
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Karen Horman. I mean, I pull in, I get out
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: of that car, and I go look for them. How
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: can you go with a baby. This is a fifteen
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: month old baby girl. And she says I should have
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: called the first day. That tells me she didn't call
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the first day. A full day passes and she hasn't
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: seen or spoken to or checked on her baby. And
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: you know, I gotta deal with dad too. I don't
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: know who bio dad is, but right now, let's talk
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: about mom, all right, the whole day, Doctor Bethany Nancy.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: One of the first things you evaluate when a child
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: goes missing and you're talking to the mother, the first
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: most important piece of behavioral evidence is does the mother
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: have empathy towards the child. If the mother does the
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: mother have a lot of details about where the child is,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: details about the child's personality, what the child was wearing,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: what's the child needs to eat, the child's healthcare situation.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: She has no details. It's only like, yeah, I should
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: have called. And when you're talking about doubting yourself and
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: are you crazy? That grandfather, he is the only one
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that came forward. This family's a mess. They all gave
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: comfoot to his stories. Nobody's concerned about the fact that
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the baby's missing. The baby's fifteen months old. The grandfather
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: says he's crying, he can't sleep. He calls CFI, He
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: goes to a local news station. He gives an interview.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: He is the one same person in the family, and
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: this reminds me the only one, Cynthia. He's in charge
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: of the asylum, Remember Cynthia Cydi Anthony, I mean taught
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: mom Casey Anthony. She calls, Okay, let me go back
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to Josh Divine, Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, the TBI communications director,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Josh Divine. If I may be so familiar to just
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: call you Josh, Josh? Do I have that much correct?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Because you're hearing the mom, Megan Boswell, she's saying it.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: You're not divulging anything from the case files. She's saying
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: she knows who has the baby. She was afraid that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: leave when she went public, but she didn't call on
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the first day. Is that your understanding of what the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: mother is saying? It's time, Yes, but there's a caveat.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: As we've said, really since the get go with this,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: there have been some inconsistencies in her story. So at
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: this point we've got to work everything she tells us
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: as though it's truth. But we also have not found
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: that child based on anything she said at this point,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: So we're just having to pursue whatever we can, and
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: it's hard. This is one I've never been. I've been
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: with the TBI now for going on six years. You
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and I have talked about previous amber alert that have
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: happened in the past year in Tennessee. This is one
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: that is exceedingly tough because we don't have a vehicle description,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: we don't have a suspect description. We're just banking on
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: someone seeing this baby or knowing what happened and calling
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: us and telling us the truth. You were just hearing
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: our friends at Needs five WCYB Maria Roberts. But I
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to more of what
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: we know. The mom says. This is w JHL Needs
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Channel eleven, Annsley Daniel. Listen, let's get into that last
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: ryme you saw her, Tell me what that time was
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: like and when that one well, actually I want to
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: talk about that. I've told TBI where to find her
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: in Mendota. My mom took her to a campground and
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: a silver camper. And if they don't go tonight, I'm
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: gonna go find her myself because I've told them and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: they're not really like taking it seriously. And if they
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: don't go tonight, like I will go myself and go
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: get her. Tell me about the last time though that
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you saw everyone. Tell me what you guys did, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: when we went to go out to eat, and then
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: my mom hand got her shoes, wearing a little hot
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: pink track suit with a matching little matching shoes a
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: little bit before Christmas clime stories with Nancy Grace. Let's
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: get into the last time you saw her. Tell me
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: what that time was like and when that was well,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: actually I want to talk about that. I've told TBI
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: where to find her in Mendota. My mom took her
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: to a campground and a silver camper, And if they
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: don't tonight, I'm going to find her myself because I've
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: told them and they're not really like taking it seriously.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: And if they don't go tonight, like I will go
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: myself and go get her. Tell me about the last
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: time though that you saw Evelyn. Tell me what you
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: guys did and win that one we went to go
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: out to eat and then my mom hadn't got her.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: She was wearing a little hot pink tracksuit with the
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: matching bow, little matching shoes, and we're just December twenty.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: They've run after Christmas a little bit. Poor Christmas, my mom,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: like you can ask her is a very vindictive, nupulating person,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: and she basically like threatened me the whole time. But
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: she was gone, do you know who has Evelyn? Right now?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: She dropped her off somewhere in Mendota to silver camper.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: But my mom would always say the person not like
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: people plural. Okay, you are hearing again our friend Annelie
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Daniels speaking too, Evelyn's mom to Sharyl mccollan direct to
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute. Well, now I know what Josh
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Divine for the TBI is talking about. Right there, we
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: just played two conflicting statements from mommy. Mommy first says
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: she knows who has the baby, the babysitter, and she
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: didn't call after the first day, and that's her big regret.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Now we're getting a different story. She's not with a babysitter,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: her own mother took the baby and a silver camper
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: to a campground. Now that I here in the studio
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: already know of one major inconsistency. I mean, Cheryl, I
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: can tell you if my twins are right this minute
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: or so. I think, how can you have two stories
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: so vastly different about where your baby is because you
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: have two people that are covering for each other. So
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: the deal is Mama knows because Mamma said earlier that
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I know the person who had her had his past hit,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: meaning they don't have any more. And then she said,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just kinda worried, kind of worried, kind of worried.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I would be a freaking lunatic if I didn't know
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: where Caroline was for ten minutes. But let's two freaking much.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Where is fifteen month old baby Evelyn. The one person
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you would think would have some answers is mommy, But
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: guess what, She's got a lot of answers and none
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: of them seemingly fit together? Is it? Taught? Mom? Casey
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Anthony all over again. Take a Listen to our friends
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: at w j HL News Channel eleven. This is Annesley
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Daniel talking to mommy. So there is a person that
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: has her in Mendota. They're not taking me seriously, tbising
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: because I've not fully told them. I've been like, hey,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: like my mom cam dowb at Mendota, you want to
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: go check them out. But I've never been like Sisily, hey,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: she's like your silver campful because my mom did threaten me, like,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: you know, if I told anybody, I'm looking again in that,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: but she did. So your mom had tied Evelyn a
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: whole time, the whole or the person that is in
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Mendota has had her the whole time. Tell me, why
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: why do you let your mom takes Sara Ford? She
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: take her from you that night and well, she was
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: just supposed to babysit her. He'll be going for her
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: because I was going to work. And then when did
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: you know that something was wrong? Well, whenever, Like she
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: picked me up Wednesday and I told her like, hey,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: they're doing a press release south Ambular thing and then
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: she freaked out. That's why they can't find her. Like
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: nobody talked to her for days until they arrested her.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: She's just kind of poofed gone. But she kept trying
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: to take me adow and I kept asking. I was like,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: are you taking me to Evelyn? And she would never
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: tell me yes or no. So Mommy seemingly is putting
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: the blame on her own maternal mother. Joining me an
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: back together again. The big question where is tak Girl
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: baby Evelyn? Ray Kimputo, Lead news anchor, Orlando Morning News
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: ninety six point five W dbo Ray. It seems to
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: me if Grandma was the last one with the baby,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: she would be in jail for kidnapping right now, correct, right?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: And she was only in jailway now, charged with being
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: a possession of a stolen car her and her boyfriend.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Now I don't know if this is are you talking
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: about grandma grandma yet? Yeah, Mom is not in custody yet.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Mom's just kind of roaming around and and still spinning
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: these towels. In fact, that interview was just yesterday, with
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: her sitting on her porch, you know, not being all
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: too concerned about where her baby was. At at least
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: you know, appeared to me. And again, you know his parents.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: We all internalize what would happen if our own babies
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: went missing, And it makes those sense. But the last
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I heard about the grandmother, she was being extradited back
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: from North Carolina. Now, I don't know, Nancy. You're you're
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: in the law practice, you have a background in this.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: They wanted to set her bond at two million dollars
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: in North Carolina, but they didn't do that because she
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: was being extradited back to Tennessee. Now that tells me,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: that's something a little bit more serious than you know,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: you know, stolen car, Cheryl McCollum. It's rare you get
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a two million dollar bond on anything. That's a huge bond,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: much less a stolen car. A stolen car, really, I
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: don't even make a bar and you go out R
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: O R. Released on your own recognizance, because that is
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: not a violent felony. That's like having a joint to
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: have us stolen car. Maybe not to the victim who
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: owns the car, but we don't have enough bedspace and
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: jails for people. That's steal a car and that's it.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: So Grandma is behind bars waiting to be extradited with
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: a two million dollar bond. The car is probably going
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to be the primary source of evidence that we're going
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: to have about Evelyn. At this point is quite possibly
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: part of a crime team. So they're going to treat
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: that vehicle and process at when a fine two cold
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: because right now it's our money tree, it's all we have.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: So they're gonna look for her hair, they're gonna look
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: for her clothes, they're gonna look for blood, They're gonna
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: look for anything that might give us some indication of
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: what happened to her or where she's at now. I'm
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: just looking right now at her picture and doctor Bethany
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Marshall's psychoanalyst joining me out of Beverly Hills. You can
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com doctor Bathna.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at her and I don't want to say
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the words. I think she's dead white Cheryl has blurted
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: it out the soul of discretion. I'm thinking about what
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: life she led being in a home when nobody knows
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: where you are and nobody's out looking for you. What
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: was her life like? I mean, was she just standing
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: there as people argued or thought? Did she was she
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: deprived of food? Was she abused? Did she have a
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: bath every night or every morning or both? Just it
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: hurts me to look at her little face. You don't
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: nancy to think about it. There are at least three
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: adults in Evelyn's life who have no regard or concern
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: for her. Her mother, her grandmother, and the biological father.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: This child was missing for months, and neither of these
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: three adults were concerned. In fact, when the mother says
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: on the interview, hey, I told my mother that there
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: was an amber alert, and then she freaked out as
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: if the problem is the amber alert, not that their
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: child is missing. It reminds me of a child molester
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I saw many years ago who came into the first
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: session and said, you know, Doctor Marshall, if that mother
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: hadn't that kid's mother hadn't walked in on me as
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I was fondling him, we wouldn't be in this pickle, now,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: would we. Everybody else's fault but the perpetrator. So you'd
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: think about this mindset with a little girl. Yes, there
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: were probably multiple forms of abuse in the house neglect.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: There could be some kind of battery, physical assault, and
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: also the mental abuse of treating the child like she's
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: unconditionally bad. So I worry that there's been a sad
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: ending to a very sad fifteen months life that this
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: little girl left. The patre is getting in much sharper
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: focus for me right now. This is what I understand,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo, Lead news anchor Orlando Wdbo. The mother did
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: not report the child missing. The grandmother, the maternal grandmother,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Megan Boswell, excuse me, Angela Boswell, and a young guy,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: William McLeod, who's thirty three years old, is in the
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: stolen BMW. Now McLeod, there he is. He's one of
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the tattoos on his face and neck. Not judging claims,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Evelyn's mother, Megan Boswell, gave them the stolen car without
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: mentioning it wasn't paid for, and somehow we are now
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: learning this car is being connected to baby Evelyn's disappearance.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: So you've got Evelyn the baby, You've got the mother, Megan,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: you have the father who has not been named yet.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: His name is Ethan Perry. And you have the grandma,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: forty two year old Angela Boswell, and this guy she's
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: riding around in a BMW, William McLeod, the one with
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the facial tattoo, thirty three years old. Who is this guy?
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Why is he in the car with grandma? And why
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: is this stolen car connected to the baby's disappearance? Okay, Ray,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I'm ready for a data dump. Hit me well, Nancy,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a sad family dynamic as we
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: just heard, you know, moments ago about you know how
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: normal people, if somebody kid went missing, somebody would know
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: about it very very quickly. But but now with this family,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: you know, the mom had a boyfriend she wasn't living
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: close to where the baby was at least when she
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: was found. She was in North Carolina. I know that much,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: but but are you talking about are you talking about
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: the mother or the grandma? The grandmother, I'm sorry, the
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: grandmother was living in North Carolina and Nancy Angela, you know,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: and she's got this guy. He's got a nice tat
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: on his face and a tat. He doesn't look like
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the nicest guy who was convicted of assault previously. You know.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: So like the last the guest said, this child needed
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: people in their lives and they didn't have it with
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: with this case, you got three adults who have shown
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: complete disregard, including the child's own mother. The dad is
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: in the military Louisiana not around. So you know, at
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, Angela, I personally think she
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: has something to share, but I'm not sure she had
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: anything to do with this crime. I gotta admit I
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: think that the mom. You know, given my background with
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: the Casey Anthony case, I think the mom is throwing
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: her under the bus too, just like Casey threw George
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: under the bus at the trial. Seems like there's you know,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: some some dislike there So the babies you're actually reported
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: missing February eighteen, but the last known signing that I
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: know I was back in November my grandpa, although some
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: people claim they saw her December twenty six. It's a
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: very complicated fact scenario. What we are learning that this
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: stolen BMW is connected to Evelyn's disappearance. Evelyn Boswell still missing,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: fifty six thousand dollar reward for her safe return. I
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: want to go back to Cheryl McCullum. Tell me how
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: you think this whole thing went down. Should we imagine
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: some third party we don't know of has the baby?
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: The mother's stories don't align, but yet it's the grandma
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: who's being held in North Carolina awaiting extradition on a
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: two million dollars They wanted a two million dollar bond.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: So how does that giant mama grandmama was found in
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: a car that was stolen that mama initiated getting for her.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: So again Mom keeps getting in his wine in this
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  Speaker 1: tale of lives and misdirections. So why would this baby's
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: mama get the grandmother of b vehicles stolen or not?
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Why would she deliberately go out of her way to
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  Speaker 1: light a law enforcement and not give answers to very
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: elementary questions about where your baby is and why would
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: she continue? Nancy to not search for the baby, not
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: have to, you know, concern or care for the baby,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: not be losing her mind, and called the police herself.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. The tip line one eight hundred,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: TBI find or four two three two seventy nine, seventy
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  Speaker 1: five hundred. Let's pray baby Evelyn is still alive. Nancy
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend