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Lars Nootbaar Dealt At Deadline? Biggest All-Star Snubs, Jordan Walker Participating In HR Derby? · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Jim Hayes along with Kyle Gibson and Lance Lynn and gentlemen.
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: Let's start with something that seems to be a tradition
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: amongst baseball fans. The All Star team rosters are set,
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: and now there's a couple of days before some players
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: bag out of it with injuries or not wanting to
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  Speaker 1: not wanting to mess anything up, so we don't know
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  Speaker 1: exactly who's going totally.
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  Speaker 2: But this is the time.
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  Speaker 3: You're not saying, not even close to being set, gotcha? Okay,
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  Speaker 3: but but what vote and player votes are in and
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  Speaker 3: the alternates of becomings of rosters are not set. Here
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  Speaker 3: we go. There'll be fifteen new names before the actual games.
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  Speaker 4: Gosh, I still.
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  Speaker 5: Want to take this political right now of how long
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  Speaker 5: this process is gonna drawn out, but I'm not going
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  Speaker 5: to do it.
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: But can we at least complain about the snubs because
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  Speaker 1: that seems to be fun to fans.
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  Speaker 5: It's fun because when we say it, when we say it,
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  Speaker 5: it's gonna get them into the game, right, So we'll
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  Speaker 5: talk about how they got snubbed, and then over the.
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  Speaker 4: Next six days they'll be in.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, all right, So I'm gonna start with with Lance
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  Speaker 1: give me your number one snob as it stands.
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  Speaker 3: The number one. I mean, I gotta go with Sunny Gray.
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  Speaker 3: I saw his numbers the other day. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: man like, why, but he's gonna get in when a
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  Speaker 3: starter pitches on Saturday or Sunday the day before. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm not like, That's what people don't realize. Some of
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  Speaker 3: these guys are named knowing that they're gonna get subbed out,
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  Speaker 3: and they know that they can't get or can't pitch
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  Speaker 3: it or won't pitch it for starters that are going
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  Speaker 3: to be in the game. So it's a you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's a weird little little thing that they've got going on.
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  Speaker 3: So and or managers. Some managers get to choose some
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  Speaker 3: guys too, so they choose some of their own guys
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  Speaker 3: knowing that they're not gonna let him pitch in the game.
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  Speaker 3: Then they can replace them later. So there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of a lot of moving parts and a lot of
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  Speaker 3: political stuff going on in Kyle. Kyle knows that very well.
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  Speaker 2: Kyle.
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  Speaker 5: Right now, think for right now, my biggest nub is
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  Speaker 5: Luis Garcia. Junior with the Nats. The guy's got like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what his ops. I'm pretty sure it's
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  Speaker 5: north of nine hundred. He's got a ton of RBIs,
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  Speaker 5: he's got twenty homers. He's played really, really well.
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  Speaker 4: So for a.
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  Speaker 5: Position player, first base is a tough one, especially with
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  Speaker 5: how the voting is. I mean I have to dive
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  Speaker 5: into Olsen and Freeman and some of these guys' numbers
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  Speaker 5: to really see. But he's playing a tough position of
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  Speaker 5: first base. And when the fans vote the first round
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  Speaker 5: and vote in the starters and take up those positions,
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  Speaker 5: then you're inevitably gonna have some of these, you know,
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  Speaker 5: players that are gonna end up getting in because he'll
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  Speaker 5: get in, but they don't make it, you know, in
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  Speaker 5: that first round or two.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna throw some names. Uh you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: Sonny Gray ten and one two point six to one
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  Speaker 1: e r A and he might get in. Hopefully he
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  Speaker 1: does with a team that's terrible. He's tough, lagmans Worth tough, right,
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  Speaker 1: Jim uh Wilson Contreras to eighty four batting average, twenty
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  Speaker 1: homers to Ryan two sixty eight. Numbers not as good
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  Speaker 1: as JJ Weatherhol. I think those guys could be looked
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  Speaker 1: at snubbers. How about Zach Wheeler. I know he only
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  Speaker 1: has eighty innings two point three six e r A
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  Speaker 1: eight and one e r A and a whip that's
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  Speaker 1: like sub one uh and Miller one point seventy one
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  Speaker 1: e r A with fifty two innings. There's a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of guys who have a case who might well end
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  Speaker 1: up in there. But let's talk about JJ Weatherhol Like
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  Speaker 1: we see him all the time because we watched the Cardinals.
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  Speaker 2: But Kyle, is that a guy who you think should
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  Speaker 2: be in there?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I'd really have to dive into some
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  Speaker 5: of the second basement numbers, but I mean, I think
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  Speaker 5: everybody around the league that's watched kind of feels like
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  Speaker 5: he's one of the better second basemen and he plays
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  Speaker 5: great defense. In second base historically is not a position
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  Speaker 5: that you get a lot of offense out of. I
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  Speaker 5: mean I say that like no history, but I mean.
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  Speaker 4: You just not.
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  Speaker 5: You don't normally get the thump, you don't normally get
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  Speaker 5: the slug. You know, it's just kind of rare to
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  Speaker 5: have that dual package at their second base. So yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean I think he should probably get in, but
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  Speaker 5: we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: You also.
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  Speaker 1: But those are two guys with solid numbers. But for
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  Speaker 1: JJ's twenty three years old, maybe they look at him.
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  Speaker 1: He'll be an All Star again. I'm pretty sure he will.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's not right.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's you know, some of this, some of
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  Speaker 5: this is created a little bit by MLB last year
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  Speaker 5: when they put you know, you talked about Zach Wheeler.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Miserowski was in the All Star Game with
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  Speaker 5: how many starts, you know, I mean, obviously he's a
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  Speaker 5: really good pitcher, five big lead it starts, and he
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  Speaker 5: was in the All Star Games. So realistically, innings and
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  Speaker 5: qualifying for anything shouldn't matter anymore, Right, Zach Wheelers should
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  Speaker 5: be in there because he's got you know, you just
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  Speaker 5: throw out qualifiers and you just list everybody by E
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  Speaker 5: RA and wins. You know, I think Zach is obviously
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  Speaker 5: a stud and he should be in. But you know,
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  Speaker 5: you create this for yourself as MLB when you make
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  Speaker 5: decisions like that.
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  Speaker 1: Lance Sometimes if there's a young player who's in the
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  Speaker 1: headlines pretty much daily, MLB wants to see them in
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  Speaker 1: the All Star Game, maybe so that the ratings get
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  Speaker 1: a little a little boost.
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  Speaker 3: Is that possible, Yeah, it depends if you're if you
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  Speaker 3: throw one hundred miles an hour, you're in a big market,
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  Speaker 3: So it depends on how big your name is. So
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  Speaker 3: like JJ's screwed because he's in a mid market, to
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  Speaker 3: be honest with you, and they're in Philly, So they
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  Speaker 3: would rather have a bigger market team or a kid
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  Speaker 3: that plays in a bigger market. You know, the kid
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  Speaker 3: last year got added in Milwaukee, hughes those one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and five miles an hour and was striking out everyone
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  Speaker 3: at the time. So it's an easy one for them
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  Speaker 3: to do. You know, the same thing that we dealt
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  Speaker 3: within twenty one Kyle when they said, hey, show he's
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  Speaker 3: going to start the All Star Game when he wasn't
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  Speaker 3: the best starter in the American League at the time.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, it just comes and goes with whatever
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  Speaker 3: suits mob and what they want to do and make
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  Speaker 3: it look you know, and it is an all star game,
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  Speaker 3: so fans want different things. So sometimes the best player
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  Speaker 3: doesn't get in. It's the you know, the one that
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  Speaker 3: gets you the most headlines.
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  Speaker 1: So you, Kyle were an All Star one time, Lance
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  Speaker 1: was a two time All Star. Can you guys share
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  Speaker 1: some All Star stories. Give us a peek behind the
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  Speaker 1: curtain for what it's like when you're an All Star.
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  Speaker 1: How about you, Kyle, because I know Lance had the stories.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think the It was just really cool.
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  Speaker 4: For me.
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  Speaker 5: Being an All Star was never a goal of lining
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  Speaker 5: in my career. You know, it wasn't something that you know,
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  Speaker 5: there were a couple of times where I thought it
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  Speaker 5: might have been possible, but I was kind of right
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  Speaker 5: on the fringe and just you know, didn't end.
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  Speaker 4: Up making it.
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  Speaker 5: But for me, it was a pretty deep into my career.
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  Speaker 5: At twenty twenty one, I was in Texas, you know,
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  Speaker 5: had a really good first half and really, for the
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  Speaker 5: first time, I felt like I showed up to a
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  Speaker 5: locker room and it was really cool to be a
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  Speaker 5: part of that kind of a group and to be
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  Speaker 5: associated with that kind of a group. Pretty humbling experience
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  Speaker 5: to have some of the biggest names in the sport
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  Speaker 5: come up and congratulate you on first half and congratulate
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  Speaker 5: you on on your All Star selection when you know,
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  Speaker 5: Aaron Judge had however many at the time, Garrett Cale
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  Speaker 5: had however many at the time. You know, it was
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  Speaker 5: pretty special to do it, you know with Lance as well,
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  Speaker 5: you know, just with our history there being teammates and
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  Speaker 5: and you know playing together already, so that was a
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  Speaker 5: cool part of it. There's a lot of autographs. I
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  Speaker 5: think that's the thing that I didn't realize going into it. Uh,
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  Speaker 5: there's probably forty dozen baseballs at least, maybe more. You know,
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  Speaker 5: however many hats and jerseys and and everything from the
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  Speaker 5: game that you know they give away and they you know,
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  Speaker 5: auction off and stuff. That was probably the most unexpected
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  Speaker 5: thing going in was you know, you've got really a
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  Speaker 5: day and a half. I guess maybe it's two full
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  Speaker 5: days to kind of get through quite a few autographs
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  Speaker 5: on top of doing media actually getting ready for the game,
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  Speaker 5: you know, if you wanted to work out to stay
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  Speaker 5: ready for the second half. You know, there was a
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  Speaker 5: lot of things to do there on top of you know,
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  Speaker 5: signing five or six hundred autographs, maybe even more.
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  Speaker 1: And they also give you free swag, right, you got
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  Speaker 1: T shirts because you guys are both wearing T shirt.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't Yeah, we didn't plan this, I swear,
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  Speaker 5: but I was going I was going through old bags yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: To you, I was like, man, that looks like a
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  Speaker 3: good T shirt. I'll just throw that in the thing
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  Speaker 3: and in board today. So yeah, that's where I go.
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  Speaker 3: They either they just get they just get pulled out
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  Speaker 3: of bags years later. So that's the beauty of it.
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  Speaker 1: Give me Lance, give me some All Star stories that
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  Speaker 1: are fun, maybe with a couple of cusswards thrown in there.
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  Speaker 3: Uh no, So my first one, you know, it was
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  Speaker 3: my first full season. So when you you know, when
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  Speaker 3: you're able to do that. Riley Gate, I was you know,
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  Speaker 3: voted in by my peers as a pretty much a
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  Speaker 3: rookie in twenty twelve, so that was that was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: You know. I think it was Chipper Jones's last year
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  Speaker 3: that he played, so he was there obviously, gave a
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  Speaker 3: speech to the clubhouse, all that good stuff. So got
• 9:33
  Speaker 3: to play, you know, on a team with Chipper Jones
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  Speaker 3: and that's someone I watched growing up and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: So when you're young and make an All Star team
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  Speaker 3: and the older guys are say on their way out,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Jeter I think played another year or two
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  Speaker 3: after that and stuff like that, but you knew that
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: they were kind of coming towards the back end of
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: their career and you're on an All Star teams are
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: playing against him on All Star fields is pretty cool.
• 9:59
  Speaker 3: So yeah, and then twenty one was cool just because
• 10:02
  Speaker 3: there was quite a long time in between appearances. And then,
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: you know, I got some stories of why I was
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: quite a long time in between appearances. I had a
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  Speaker 3: couple of good first halfs in there, you know, in
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  Speaker 3: between those ten years. But the year after, covid to
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: do the All Star Game and have it, and it
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: was kind of a you know, a breath of fresh
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: air for everyone at that time of life. So my
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: coyle said, there's a lot that goes into them, a
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: lot of travel plans, a lot of this and that.
• 10:29
  Speaker 3: My first one was in Kansas City, so I got
• 10:32
  Speaker 3: to drive over. I didn't have too much expenses, you know,
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  Speaker 3: expenses for families to get places and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: The one in twenty one was definitely way more expensive,
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: but I had a you know, a little bigger pockets
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: to get there and get everybody there. And you know,
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: it was a d Kyle, you say you on that one.
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: I think we played the game for free just to
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: make sure all our family and everybody gets there, and
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: just tickets and hotels and this and that. So you know,
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: I remember being stressed as a young kid because it
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: costs so much for everything, and then as an older guy,
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: I was like, screw it, just get it. Let's go.
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  Speaker 3: You know, everybody have fun. So there's a lot of
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: a lot of ins and outs that comes with all
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: star travel and stuff like that. It is definitely stressful,
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  Speaker 3: but it's a fun time.
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  Speaker 1: Did you walk away, either one of you with like
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  Speaker 1: an autograph jersey that's hagging in your uh land cave
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  Speaker 1: or anything. I'd like to know what you took away
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  Speaker 1: from that outside of empty pockets or a thing wat right.
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Baseball's jerseys. You know, whatever you want to sign,
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  Speaker 3: you put on a table and everyone goes through it,
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  Speaker 3: and you're that's what you're doing for literally up until
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: a game time or when you're done with the game.
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: You're finishing up and you know exactly where you're at.
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  Speaker 3: And then you have like your own uh like we
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: had one of our club bouse guys or something like
• 11:53
  Speaker 3: that would be with us, and think each team would
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  Speaker 3: have a guy that's like, hey, what do you want
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  Speaker 3: to get signed by everybody? That's like truly personal. And
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: then you have them. They just go around to each
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: guy and make sure they get everybody checklists off, so
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  Speaker 3: that I would say, I sent my jersey around just
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  Speaker 3: because that's one that you're gonna have forever jersey. And
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: then so both jerseys are hung up sign you know,
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  Speaker 3: make sure everybody was on it, and then baseballs and
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: stuff like that just kind of comes as they go.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty good. How about you cale, what's hanging your man cave?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 5: We've got a little a couple of shelves at the
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  Speaker 5: bottom of our stairs here that have just some memorabilia
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  Speaker 5: for my career, and one is a hat from that
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  Speaker 5: game I had everybody signed the All Star Game hat,
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  Speaker 5: and then the other thing is sitting there. Jose Travino,
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  Speaker 5: the catcher for Texas that year, he surprised me. He
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  Speaker 5: had a guy who does custom cleats and I had
• 12:44
  Speaker 5: given him a pair of cleats to see if he
• 12:46
  Speaker 5: would do me a road pair of cleats, and he's like, yeah, absolutely,
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  Speaker 5: I got you taken care of. And the week before
• 12:53
  Speaker 5: the All Star Game, he showed me the cleats and
• 12:55
  Speaker 5: he had the guy do a custom set for the
• 12:57
  Speaker 5: All Star Game instead. So that was pretty special for
• 13:02
  Speaker 5: him to kind of think ahead and take a chance
• 13:04
  Speaker 5: really and to do that. But you know, that's probably
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  Speaker 5: the coolest thing I can walk away from the game.
• 13:10
  Speaker 5: Was was that set of cleats? You know, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the jerseys and the hat is awesome, But that's probably
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  Speaker 5: the coolest, coolest piece of memorabily I have.
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: I would say I like it all Star Game memories.
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  Speaker 1: As lance Lynn has pointed out, Jordan Walker slump was
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: hitting two ninety okay, So all the talk about Jordy
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: Walker slipping a little, I understand people's his average slipped
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: a little, and he was getting a lot of base
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  Speaker 1: hits on the ground through the hole because he hits
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: the ball. So are now he's back to blasting baseballs.
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  Speaker 1: And you look at his numbers, two ninety two batting
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: average as of today, twenty homers.
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  Speaker 2: Now he's an all star, Kyle.
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  Speaker 1: Just your impressions of a young man who you guys
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: saw struggling fighting, some guys wrote him off to not
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: only come back, to come back in this way, pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought.
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  Speaker 5: The Cardinals post on social media about Alli giving him
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: the All Star News and his speech was pretty special
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: as well. You can tell it's a it's a guy
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: that appreciates his journey to get where he is, and
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  Speaker 5: that's not always easily said. You know, I think it's
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  Speaker 5: it's really easy to hear the cliche and say, oh,
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: you know what, it's all about the journey. I'm so
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: glad that you know, I had to go through what
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: I went through. Uh, maybe Jordan just said that, but
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: I feel like you can learn so much about your
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: stuff when you struggle. You can learn so much about
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: yourself when you go through the hardest of times, and
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: then just like the old cliche is that kind of
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: makes you appreciate the really good times even that much more. So,
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: you know, I think it's uh, it's pretty cool to
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: see how much he he has grown and probably on
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: the mental side, how much better he is because of
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: what he's gone through. You know, a slump for him
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: obviously is looking a little bit different right now. But
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: congratulations to Jordan Walker. You know, we've been talking about
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: him a lot on this podcast and obviously they have
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: around the country too, and so well deserved with the
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: work that he's put in from what it sounds like.
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: And I'm just really happy that it's paid off for him,
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: because not all the times is a payoff and turn
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: into this kind of success.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Agree, and last, you look at a guy and they
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: could talk about fixing his swing and you know, opening
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: him up a little, moving his hands whatever. That is
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: a mental challenge that Jordan Walker answered the call talk
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: about the mentality of being able to go through what
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: he went through and bounce back in the way he has.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna put something in perspective here. Jordan Walker's
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: twenty four years old. My rookie season, I was twenty
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: four and didn't make an All Star team toil I
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: was twenty five. So people need to realize this kid's
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: three and a half three three and a half years
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: into the big leagues and they're like, oh man, we're
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: worried he wasn't going to figure it out. Here's the issue.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: They rushed him up. He had some success because he's talented,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: The league figured him out and he wasn't quite ready mentally,
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: so they had he had to go back re establish
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: his mentality of how he's going to go about his business,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: be a professional and deal with the failures are going
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: to happen, and then he evolved into what he is
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: today and you're saying, oh, man, good thing he figured
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: it out. It was going to be too late. He's
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: twenty four years old. Like, you know, I got the
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: big leagues at twenty four and played till I was
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: thirty eight. So it's like, hey, this guy's on pace
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: for a twenty year major league career and where we're
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: worried about him, you know, if everything goes well health
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: wise and all that. So, yes, there's mental challenges in
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: this game. He didn't go to college, he had COVID years.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: He you know, he got rushed to the big leagues.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of transition in the minor leagues
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: at the time that he was coming up through blah
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: blah blah. He's dealt with all of it. Had failures
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: at the big league level, which you're going to have,
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: but he had failures at the big league level when
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: they were trying to compete. And you put a guy
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: in a situation where you're like, hey, we need you
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: to be the middle order bat when you really didn't
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: have any of the development that you needed in the
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: minor leagues to be a middle of the bat, but
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: the last couple of years when they weren't competing, he's
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: able to go down the minor leagues and develop. Now
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: he's the middle order of the bat. So that just
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: shows everybody just because you're super talented doesn't mean it
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: happens right away. And we need to realize he's still
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: only twenty four years old, and he's got a lot
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: of time to mature and a lot of games to
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: be played to have mental fortitude to even be better
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: than what he is now. So I played with him, Kyle,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: and I played with him. I was at times worried
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: about him, and then I would be reminded that when
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: we were playing with him, he was twenty two years old,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: and I was like, good lord, man, he's got a
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: ways to go. We were like, man, he's got a
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: ways to go, but he's only twenty two, so it's
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: going to come. It's just going to come at his
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: own pace. And he was able to figure out who
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: he was, what he was about, what he was trying
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: to do day in and day out, and then they
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: finally talked to him and his language instead of trying
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: to say, hey, you need to do this. It's like Hey,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: how can we help you be you? And that's what
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: they've done this year and now you know so I finally,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: you know, you tip your cap to the coaching staff
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: to hey, how can we make you the best player
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: and make you feel the most comfortable you can be
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: to be what you're supposed to be. And they've been
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: able to do that, and I think you're slowly adding
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: onto it. And now that he knows who he is,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: he has a base and now he can go from there.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Originally he didn't have any bass because everything was being
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: changed at all times. Everything that he knew was being changed.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Now he knows who he is. Now he can keep building.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: So I'm looking forward to what he can do in
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: the future and what he can become.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Well said, now you guys are both pitchers and brings
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: us to Jordan Walker. Yes or no for home run derby.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: He said he'd consider it. Don't know how that's going
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: to shake out now, but from my perspective as a fan,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: please don't do it, because I've heard stories from guys
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: who are in home run derbys that pulled somewhat shoulder
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: whatever got their swing out of whack. I don't know
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: what the canis of that or Kyle. But and granted,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Jordan Walker is a tough guy mentally now he's earned
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: his stripes. If he wants to go, I'll root for him,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: But I'm hoping deep down he doesn't go.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Am I wrong?
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Absolutely? You just never know.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: You never know when these opportunities are going to come
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: up again. I mean it's just like, I don't know.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: This was one thing that never I couldn't really wrap
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: my head around in twenty twenty one. And not judging
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: anybody that didn't pitch right because they all had their reasons.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: I couldn't understand why you wouldn't want to play in
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: this game. I and same would go with the home
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: run derby. I mean, if you have the chance to
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: do it, unless you've already done it four or five
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: times and you want to give somebody else a chance, okay,
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: but if this is your first chance to do it,
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: and I just don't see how you turn it down.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if we're going to get
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: to trade deadline talk today, but we're gonna probably talk
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: about how you guys think they should just tear it
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: down and sell. And we're worried about Jordan Walker you know,
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: is swinging and messing up his swinging the home run.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Everyone Apparently to you guys, it's not even gonna matter.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: So they're just gonna tear down and sell everybody. So
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: just go have your fun, Jordan, you know, like, but
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: no all joking aside. I think you just never know
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: when you're gonna get this chance again. And it's that
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: is one thing that probably a little bit on the
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: selfish side of the All Star Game is you do
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: what you can to enjoy it because it is a
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: personal achievement and you you surround yourself with the family
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: like Lance talked about, so you can enjoy it with
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: other people. But man, if you get a chance to
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: do it, you gotta go do it for you and
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: go have some fun.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: So Lance, do you agree with that? Am I wrong? Again?
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Here's here's what I have to say. If as a
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: child and as a kid, when he was watching this
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: game and he saw the home run derby on the
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: screen and said, man, that would be awesome and that's
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: something I wish I could do, or a goal, and
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: then it's a no doubt, or if it's something that
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: he has no desire to do, then it's it. And
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: it's a different story. He shouldn't feel pressured to do
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: it just because they say he should do it. Now,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you, most likely, if he watched
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: an All Star game ever in his life and saw
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: them him hitting home runs in the home run derby,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: it was like, man, that looks awesome, then he should
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent do it, because unfortunately, in my first
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: All Star game, I didn't pitch. I wanted to pitch.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I was informed after the All Star Game that I
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: was that the Cardinals didn't want me to pitch without
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: telling me, so they told them that I was unavailable
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: without me even knowing. So that was one of my
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: one of my biggest things up until twenty one. I
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: never I've been an All Star, but I never pitched
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: an All Star game, so it doesn't count. And my
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I didn't count in my opinion, so I didn't play
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: in the game, so technically was I Just because I
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: was on the roster doesn't mean you know, I was
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: an All Star. So that's the way I felt. So
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: to get back to the point, if he ever had
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: dreams of hitting the home run derby or a home
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: you know, being in a home run derby, then it's
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: you have to do it, especially at the age of
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: twenty four, because if you go ten years in between
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: All Stars games and you're thirty four, you might be
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: you might be a little old and tired by the
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: time you do it again. So that would be my suggestion,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: do it now while you're young.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: And I think the fans want to see that.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: I think the fans want to see the guys that
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: have been hitting homers too, right, Like, That's the other
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: thing that's pretty cool, is I mean, if you just
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: went off the top ten or twelve or how many
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: guys you want to have, you know, eight top home
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: run guys, I think people would be okay with that.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: You know, I think the fans that are there want
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: to see the people that have hit the ball the
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: hardest in the most home runs.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Let's watch them see how far they can hit the ball.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: So I said it was mostly selfish, but I think
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: it also the fans kind of deserve to see, you know,
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: those best home run hitters take their crack and see
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: who can hit the most. And at Citizens Bank, you're
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: going to see some balls go really far and high
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: up into the into the rafters.
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: And it's going to be pretty cool.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Is it based on swings this year?
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're doing it different.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: They're doing it different through the way, certain number of swings,
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: no time limits. So Peter Lons mentioned this the other day.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: You're gonna actually get a chance to see the ball hit,
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: watch the ball. The fans enjoy it, and it's not
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: you know, rushing into the next swing. So I think
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: coverage fans are gonna enjoy better. Hopefully less people on
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: the stands get hit by baseballs because they're not watching
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: the last one yep.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: And you risk the risk of being injured to less
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: because you're not rushing correct and trying to as many
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: balls as fast as you can. So I would say
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: everything pushes to do it because of the way that
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: they've done it now. And your last round of BP
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: every single day is let's see if I can hit
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: five homers and five swings. So people are stupid to
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: think that they don't try to hit home runs and
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: batting practice every day, and that's part of what they do.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: They asked Bryce Harper the other day why he went
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: out to take early VP and what he was working on.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: He goes, I was just trying to hit homers. I
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: mean like every now and then, you just want to
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: see the ball go over the fence. So didn't make
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: you feel good, Jim.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: I think we just figured out. Yes, you were absolutely.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Wrong, okay, and it's happened before. But that does bring
• 24:57
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  Speaker 4: Just pick a go?
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: I mean normally you tell us who's gonna go, Jim,
• 25:24
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• 25:26
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• 25:33
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I was gonna go there, but the next obvious
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• 25:55
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• 25:58
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• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I know you guys have different thoughts.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I just want to go on the record as saying
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I don't want them to trade everyone. I've always been
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: a proponent of if there's a window of opportunity, you
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: try to climb through it, and if you have this
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: long term plan as him does, and I agree with it,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: there's a way, as he says, to be creative and
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: do things that can help now but also don't matter
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: with the future planning. But my question is just so
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: maybe we get clicks. I don't want to see this
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: guy trade it. But if you talk about guys who
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: you think are going to be traded again, I'm not
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: an advocate of trading him, but Lars Newpar. Let me
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: just say this, Lars Newpar had heal surgery on both
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: heels and is having a really good season as comeback.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: He was out for a long time. I watched that
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: guy play and he looks quicker, more comfortable than before
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the surgery. The thing is, he's twenty eight, and the
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Cardinals have guys in the minor leagues like Biez who
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: they may want to make a path for. That's why
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I'm saying I think Newpar is likely to go, not
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: that I'm calling for it. I'm just saying I think
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: that's the way it may shake out.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Lance.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: What do you think would I be surprised if Lars went? No,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I would not, and he's not. He's one of what
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I say, five people that I think are possibly going
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: to get traded, traded with it being May O'Brien, Romero,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Soriano and Stanic are the ones that I was talking about,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: and then there's a reason for each of them may
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: probably gonna opt out. Stanic one year deal, O'Brien's thirty one,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: and Soriano's out of options, and then who who else?
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Would I say, the rest of the bullpen? Yeah, Romero,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Who's who? Will be a free agent next year. So
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: that's what I think is it's not so much. And
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think, to be honest with you, if you
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: can't see somewhere on free agency and or what you're
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: getting back. Lars is under control next year, so I
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: actually see Hints as less likely to get traded than
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: the people that are not under team control for next year.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: That's why O'Brien's probably a maybe. But I think the
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: age might push him to do it and see if
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: they could get a younger arm with more years of control.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: So those are my reasons for it. And I know
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Kyle and I kind of say, hey, hold everything, and
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: then add, if you are going for a World Series push,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: then yes. So if then you go for it and
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: you get what you want. But if you're saying, hey,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: we do not think we can win the World Series
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: and we do not, you know, we're going to stick
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: to what we're doing. Those are the guys that are
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: tradeable assets where you're not giving away any of the core.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: But I also think Lars is a core member and
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I think large should be extended. That's my opinion on
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: that one. To be honest, like you, I don't think
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Dark could go anywhere.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I liked that he's a different player this year, and
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I'm happy for what do you say.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Did you do that? Should you do any of that?
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: I would say no. If you're ten games over five hundred,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: you add they're and they're in that ballpark right now,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Let's see what they do closer to the deadline, see
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: where they're at. But if they if you are.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: There's something that Kyle has said too like I think
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: it was Kyle, but I agree with it. There's also
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: an element of rewarding your team and your fans. So
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I think if you're creative, like him says, I think
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: you can do some of that and still put yourself
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: in a really good position to push for the postseason.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Kyle, what do you think?
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: I mean?
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: I think him, by all accounts, is a really smart
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: front office member, and I think he's the right guy
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: for what's going on right now, and I'm interested to
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: see what he does. To say the very least, I
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: think just listening to Lance, okay, like say, over the
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: next ten days, realistically, that's what we're going to decide
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: over the next ten or twelve days. The Cardinals don't
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: play well and they trade four or five bullpen members.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: You better have four or five guys that you feel
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: I can actually pitch in the big leagues, or else
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: you're gonna rush five guys to cover innings in the bullpen,
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: and then you're just setting yourself there. You're setting yourself
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: up for not a great last two months.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: I don't know. That's part of the reason why.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: I just don't think that's a great idea. I mean,
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: I think if you trade a couple guys, a lot
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: of teams trade a couple guys, you know, maybe you
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: use a big league guy with a minor league guy
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: to get the piece that you want in the trade back.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I get that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: So I think over the next ten days it'll be
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: pretty telling here to see where the Cardinals are at.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: They're one of nine teams that are over five hundred.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: When playing against teams that are over five hundred, I
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: think that means something. You know, they play well against
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: good competition and against good teams, And yeah, I think
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: there's a certain aspect of this where your offense has
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  Speaker 5: your young offense that you weren't sure about has really
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  Speaker 5: played well and has put you in this position, and
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: a couple of the young starters or fringe starters that
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: you weren't sure about have put you in this position, right,
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  Speaker 5: And I think there's a certain element of saying, not
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: like a thank you, but hey, we see what you've
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  Speaker 5: done here. We see that you've put us in a
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: good spot. We're gonna shift our plan a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: We're not gonna, you know, completely go off course, but
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  Speaker 5: we are gonna give this young team a chance to
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  Speaker 5: make the playoffs because they deserve it. And and yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I think the fans deserve it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I I think the scary part it here is here
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  Speaker 5: that if you're the front office and you trade guys
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  Speaker 5: away and you punt on this year and then next
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: year doesn't work, and now all of a sudden you're
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: looking at twenty eight or twenty nine to make the
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  Speaker 5: playoffs again, that ain't good.
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  Speaker 4: That ain't it.
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  Speaker 2: Turn up? Hey, I think you guys bring up some
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: great points.
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  Speaker 1: Keep in mind, the Cardinals had five coming up against
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: the Brewers here, so we'll kind of.
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  Speaker 4: By the way.
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  Speaker 5: They also just went four and two on a road
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  Speaker 5: trip against the Cubs, and the Bruce just saying really.
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  Speaker 3: Good, just saying before that road trip too, really good,
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  Speaker 3: really good. Alright, Jordan ninety three home runs in June
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  Speaker 3: season was over.
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  Speaker 1: Geez, that's gonna do it for this edition the Cardinal Territory.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Hopefully that episode will suck