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Language, Identity, and Culture Wars | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: My name is Jerm. This is Jerm Warfare, the battle
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Speaker 2: of ideas. I use the trenches metaphor always because it's
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Speaker 2: part of my whole sort of ethos, but we are
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Speaker 2: kind of in an information war, aren't we?
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Speaker 1: If we were not in an information war, I think
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Speaker 1: that we would have more clarity about what we were about.
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Speaker 1: But every time you attempt to talk to normies, the
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Speaker 1: regular used word, or people outside your own circles about
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Speaker 1: what UK Column or any such effort does, you get
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Speaker 1: the furrowed brows, you get the derision. That is proof
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Speaker 1: in itself, isn't it, that we're in an information war?
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Speaker 1: Because people then discover, who are otherwise intelligent and well-meaning,
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Speaker 1: that ideas have been planted in their heads about nutters.
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Speaker 2: So you and I met up in person about just
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Speaker 2: over a week ago now when I was at the
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Speaker 2: UK Column event in Plymouth. And what an absolute success
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Speaker 2: it was. It was great meeting you and all the others.
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Speaker 2: And much to my excitement, I found out that you
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Speaker 2: can understand to a large degree my home language.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Afrikaans. And I just found out the other day
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Speaker 1: that it's still the 10% language of South Africa. which
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Speaker 1: surprised and gratified me because it's been persecuted for a
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Speaker 1: generation now, years. And I was also very delighted recently
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Speaker 1: to discover that it has its centre of gravity still
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Speaker 1: around Pretoria. It's not at all just a Western Cape language,
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Speaker 1: as I had been led to assume, because of the
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Speaker 1: universities down there being the ones that really champion it.
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Speaker 1: And the universities like Stellenbosch, which I'm familiar with because
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Speaker 1: my father is a lifelong advocate of literacy and good
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Speaker 1: old-fashioned educational standards. And for biblical studies, for example, Stellenbosch
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Speaker 1: is still really the top university. place to go for
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Speaker 1: a lot of things. So no, the reason for that
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Speaker 1: is that I've been in the Netherlands for 17 years now.
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Speaker 1: I came over to marry a wonderful woman here. And
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Speaker 1: she is actually from Zeeland. It's often assumed that her dialect, Zeus,
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Speaker 1: had a special input into Afrikaans in the phonology and
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Speaker 1: the vocabulary. That seems to be the case. By the way,
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Speaker 1: if you come back to the Netherlands, you must try
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Speaker 1: the area around Sliedrecht, not far from Rotterdam, because they
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Speaker 1: really sound like Boers there. even more than in the Netherlands.
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Speaker 1: And more to the point, I'm involved with the Gereformeerde Bijbelstichting,
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Speaker 1: the Reformed Bible Society of the Netherlands, which has done
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Speaker 1: sterling work presenting the Dutch commentary on the Bible in
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Speaker 1: the Afrikaanse Vertaling, the classic Afrikaans Bible of the 1930s.
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Speaker 1: So through those means and through church connections, I'm well
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Speaker 1: familiar with Afrikaans. I can understand it pretty well.
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Speaker 2: Wow, that is great. But I mean, you actually are
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Speaker 2: pretty good with languages.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's always been my focus. You know, I had
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Speaker 1: the immense privilege. of growing up with lots of books
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Speaker 1: around me. And my father could have been the leading
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Speaker 1: Greek academic of his generation if he had been so inclined,
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Speaker 1: but he'd seen through academia by that stage anyway. He
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Speaker 1: was the favorite student of the leading Hellenist of the 1960s,
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Speaker 1: Professor Sir Kenneth Dover, who at that stage was head
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Speaker 1: of classics, head of Greek at St.
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Speaker 2: Andrews.
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Speaker 1: And later on was a master of an Oxford college.
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Speaker 1: So I just assumed, you know, in the same way
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Speaker 1: that it's said of Darwin, that he went round to
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Speaker 1: a chum's house and asked in all innocence, where does
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Speaker 1: your papa do his fossils? In the same way, I
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Speaker 1: just assumed that everyone's father had books of classic learning
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Speaker 1: on the shelves. And I delved into my father's books
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Speaker 1: from the age of four onwards. And my mother was
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Speaker 1: no slacker in languages either. She had fluent Italian and French,
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Speaker 1: although her main focus was English literature.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned Afrikaans being in the 10%. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if you know this, but Afrikaans is more widely spoken
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Speaker 2: in South Africa than English.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I do sometimes get that impression. And you know what?
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Speaker 1: I find it healthy and nice to see. A lot
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Speaker 1: of Safars these days, probably very regional, they're not actually
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Speaker 1: that confident in English, in the same way that a
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Speaker 1: lot of Quebecers would struggle to have a detailed conversation
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Speaker 1: in English. And I do like that. And, you know,
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Speaker 1: even before I came to the Netherlands, so 20, 25
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Speaker 1: years ago, when I was in a church in Cheltenham
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Speaker 1: working at GCHQ, we would meet the older generation of
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Speaker 1: Afrikaners and they were a lot more comfortable talking theology
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Speaker 1: in Afrikaans. So it clearly has got deep silos still,
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Speaker 1: where it's the community language, the language of scholarship and
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Speaker 1: worship and everything else.
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Speaker 2: You were talking about Dutch reformed church in the Netherlands.
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Speaker 2: So the largest Afrikaans church in South Africa is what's
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Speaker 2: called the Engeerkerk, which basically is also the Dutch reformed.
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Speaker 2: But I don't know if it's entirely the same.
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Speaker 1: It isn't. I could go off for hours on this
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Speaker 1: because I have a lot of scholarship on it and
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Speaker 1: I'm well into the Dutch Bible Belt. Okay, let's distill it.
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Speaker 1: The main fault line is classic Calvinist, that is reformed,
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Speaker 1: Protestantism has always been a distinctive of the Dutch people
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Speaker 1: worldwide and was already at the time when the glorious
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Speaker 1: revolution in England, well, ultimately of the whole United Kingdom,
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Speaker 1: was very largely Dutch influenced and it was deliberately a
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Speaker 1: revolt against the power of Louis XIV. You can't say
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Speaker 1: Protestant versus Catholic because the Pope was actually on William
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Speaker 1: III's side because Louis XIV would otherwise have dominated the world.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, the Dutch Protestants, the Calvinists or reformed, were
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Speaker 1: already the dominant party by the 17th century and they
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Speaker 1: had their spiritual brethren in England and Scotland. Then the
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Speaker 1: Dutch went into diaspora. They chose the English-speaking world, what's
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Speaker 1: now the Commonwealth. Wherever you look in farming communities in
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Speaker 1: North America, Australasia, obviously Southern Africa, you find that even
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Speaker 1: where it appears to be Scottish Presbyterian churches that are
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Speaker 1: the mainstay locally, the surnames are all Dutch because the
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Speaker 1: Dutch have gone out there to farm and maintain farming
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Speaker 1: equipment and cattle farm and everything else. So That's the
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Speaker 1: basic backbone of why there is a Dutch reformed diaspora.
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Speaker 1: In the US, for example, it's very strong in Michigan,
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Speaker 1: but also in parts of California, Iowa, other such states. Now,
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Speaker 1: the distinctive is that after the classic or golden age,
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Speaker 1: as the Dutch call it, the 17th century, when they
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Speaker 1: were top dog economically and their theology was at its height.
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Speaker 1: they started getting attacked in Europe in the way that
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Speaker 1: you Boers didn't, or you weren't quite Boers, then you
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Speaker 1: were Afrikaners in the Cape, of course, so you had
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Speaker 1: the four trekkers. They started getting attacked by the French
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Speaker 1: Enlightenment thinking that was infecting Europe, of which we see
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Speaker 1: many consequences in UK column work today, the idea that
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Speaker 1: man is infinitely plastic. and he starts life as a
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Speaker 1: tabula rasa, and you just have to grab him and
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Speaker 1: satanize his education from an early age, and he'll be
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Speaker 1: a biddable slave and so on. That started in the
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Speaker 1: 18th century in France, arguably the 17th century with Descartes
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Speaker 1: coming to Utrecht, which was the center of Dutch Reformed scholarship.
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Speaker 1: As a result, you get what are called the Zwarte Kousenkerken,
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Speaker 1: the black stockinged churches, becoming, the Latin term is an
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Speaker 1: ecclesiola in ecclesia, a little church within the church, a
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Speaker 1: pietist movement that said, quite correctly, well, our preachers are useless.
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Speaker 1: They don't believe in God. They're just preaching obedience to
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Speaker 1: the state and a new world order. So together with
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Speaker 1: the Germans, who were a bit more tentative, they decided
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Speaker 1: that they would pretend they were separate from the mother church.
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Speaker 1: They didn't really take the step until after the English
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Speaker 1: and Scots had already formed free churches. So as a result,
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Speaker 1: the scene that you see in the Netherlands that I've
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Speaker 1: married into, which is 5% of the population, a good 300,000
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Speaker 1: people out of the 15 to 18 million in the Netherlands,
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Speaker 1: That scene is not just what you would call Dutch reformed.
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Speaker 1: It is more specifically, they would call it befinderlijk, experimental reformed,
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Speaker 1: whereas the churches you're familiar with in South Africa, they
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Speaker 1: would call orthodox gereformeerd, which is effectively old fashioned evangelical
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Speaker 1: stroke reformed in English speaking terms. The Dutch reformed. In
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Speaker 1: the Netherlands, the Dutch Reformed sort of deep silo has
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Speaker 1: gone into a further layer of not everyone around you
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Speaker 1: is a Christian, even if they attend a Calvinist church,
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Speaker 1: which is true. A lot of people are nominalists. So
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Speaker 1: huge emphasis is laid in the Netherlands denominations on have
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Speaker 1: you had an experience of conversion? Are you walking with
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Speaker 1: the Lord? What are the fruits of the Spirit in
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Speaker 1: your life? Are you truly repentant or are you self-deceiving?
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Speaker 1: People think that's a distinctive of 18th, 19th century Christianity.
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Speaker 1: Netherlands churches but actually the roots of it are in
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Speaker 1: the Puritans because there was a lot of self-deceit back
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Speaker 1: then as well.
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Speaker 2: I was in Amsterdam well my wife and I were
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Speaker 2: in Amsterdam in 2023 and we were traveling around as
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Speaker 2: you do you're a tourist and the lady that I
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Speaker 2: was with was showing me a large number of very
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Speaker 2: empty churches. They have become museums, etc. And I found
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Speaker 2: this obviously very sad. And I asked her, and she's
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Speaker 2: a Christian, and I asked her, why are there so
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Speaker 2: many empty churches? And her answer was, we killed God. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: they did.
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Speaker 1: Amsterdam in particular. You know, if you go back in
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Speaker 1: Dutch Reformed church history, again, I've translated some magnanimous opuses
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Speaker 1: in that regard. Amsterdam, and more broadly, the province of Noord-Holland,
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Speaker 1: where Amsterdam was always the biggest city, was the seat
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Speaker 1: of the Dutch Reformed. Not so much the scholarship, but
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Speaker 1: the weight of the money because of the mercantile clout
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Speaker 1: that was there. To be a preacher in Amsterdam was
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Speaker 1: the pinnacle of any clergyman's career. And many really sound
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Speaker 1: and stalwart men were in the pulpits there. But inevitably,
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Speaker 1: wherever you get a port city and where it becomes the,
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Speaker 1: as Amsterdam did for a time with the whistle bunk,
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Speaker 1: the center of the fiat currency bubble, Amsterdam had that
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Speaker 1: dubious privilege in between Antwerp and London. What you get
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Speaker 1: is glib, monetarist attitudes to faith. And Amsterdam has ended up,
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Speaker 1: it's a more concentrated process than in other Western countries
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Speaker 1: that have more land. You know, the Netherlands is well
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Speaker 1: described as the smallest of the great countries. It has
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Speaker 1: all the social spectrum of a huge country, but it's
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Speaker 1: in a compact territory. So what happened was there was
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Speaker 1: a sort and Amsterdam ended up as we could call
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Speaker 1: it more or less the San Francisco of the Netherlands,
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Speaker 1: if not of the whole of Northern Europe. You know,
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Speaker 1: you went there if you wanted to self-actualize. Not for
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Speaker 1: nothing is their slogan these days, I Amsterdam. I've spoken
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Speaker 1: to godless homosexual people in the Netherlands who say, I
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Speaker 1: would never live in Amsterdam, even if they live in
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Speaker 1: another part of the Randstad nearby. They are so individualistic.
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Speaker 1: Even those guys would say it. So what did they do?
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Speaker 1: The Dutch, particularly the reformed folksdale, as we call them,
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Speaker 1: the segment of the population, took flight. And it's the
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Speaker 1: geographical distances are small. They only went into the polder,
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Speaker 1: in some cases, 30 miles out of Amsterdam. But, you know,
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Speaker 1: they actually got orders from the dominates, the ministers of
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Speaker 1: the time. Don't send your son to university.
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Speaker 2: He'll end up ruined.
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Speaker 1: They were probably right about that. But it ended up
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Speaker 1: with an anti-intellectual church culture, which we're fighting here now.
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Speaker 1: Just stay in the farms or the fishing boats and
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Speaker 1: eventually you'll make a lot of money. And they did.
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Speaker 1: I know the Dutch reformed hinterland behind Amsterdam has become
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Speaker 1: the European or world powerhouse in logistics. And they've suddenly
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Speaker 1: become very wealthy, which has brought its own spiritual and
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Speaker 1: familial problems with it. But no, Amsterdam has been for
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Speaker 1: some decades now a place where you go to do
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Speaker 1: your best to kill God, at least to banish him
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Speaker 1: from your conscience.
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Speaker 2: We were talking about Afrikaners earlier. Excuse me.
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Speaker 1: And.
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Speaker 2: Obviously, because of my own heritage, I have an Africana
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Speaker 2: history in my genealogy. I would say about 50% on
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Speaker 2: my father's side. And Afrikaners are also known here as
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Speaker 2: their own worst enemies. We're talking about the way in
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Speaker 2: which they interpret the Bible, And, of course, the outlook
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Speaker 2: on life, which I think has been infiltrated by, in
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Speaker 2: many ways, globalist thinking. And I'm wondering how much of
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Speaker 2: that is by design, if it's connected at all to
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Speaker 2: the city of London.
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Speaker 1: What I can say in very broad terms, Jeremy, is
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Speaker 1: there was a very concerted effort from the 1880s onwards
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Speaker 1: to by the English establishment, the Church of England, probably
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Speaker 1: more than the City of London, but they're ultimately the
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Speaker 1: same beast, of course, to claim back. And it was
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Speaker 1: specifically the blacks, the Zulus, but also the Southern American blacks,
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Speaker 1: through whipped up charismatic religion. That is, I mean, we
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Speaker 1: could talk about that another time, but that's well-researched, particularly
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Speaker 1: by the LaRouche campaigners. By the 1990s, they had chapter
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Speaker 1: and verse on who was doing that and how. And
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Speaker 1: I often assumed that the Afrikaners were the antipole to that.
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Speaker 1: But actually, the more I've looked into Afrikaner history and folklore,
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Speaker 1: by the 1910s, 1920s, obviously, your forefathers were very bitter
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Speaker 1: and rightly about what the crown had done to them
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Speaker 1: in the wars and putting them in the world's first
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Speaker 1: concentration camps and other such horrors. But they did become
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Speaker 1: their own worst enemies because they wanted to live on
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Speaker 1: their own plussy, away from others. There was always mutual suspicion.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the Dutch are like the Scots, penny-pinching, and
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Speaker 1: they'll never have a single denomination. They'll always split. into
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Speaker 1: rival factions over minutiae. That's just the nature of being
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Speaker 1: a Northwest European, really, with the emphasis on the intellect
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Speaker 1: and the individual homesteader that you end up with that.
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Speaker 1: But I'd see by the 1920s, you have this movement of,
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Speaker 1: I would call it cod prophecy arising. You know, these outlanders,
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Speaker 1: for example, who many think of the great white hope,
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Speaker 1: pun intended, for the Boers. They're saying, look, we can't
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Speaker 1: get everyone up to the Northern Cape. They all want
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Speaker 1: to stay on their own pluses in other parts of
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Speaker 1: South Africa where they're likely to be tortured to death.
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Speaker 1: We can't talk sense into them. So, yeah, there is that.
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Speaker 1: And along with that is this idea that it's not
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Speaker 1: the time for the Lord to save us yet. We
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Speaker 1: mustn't take even the evidence steps of self-preservation until some
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Speaker 1: blind seer stands up and says, yeah, now is the time.
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Speaker 1: You know, the Scots had that too with these funny
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Speaker 1: movements in the Highlands like Conyach Ower, the blind seer
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Speaker 1: of the Isle of Skye. You know, it's the downfall
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Speaker 1: of Calvinism, really. You get this folk piety element in
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Speaker 1: it that says, well, yes, you have to have the Bible,
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Speaker 1: but you also have to have the mystic innocence.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny you mentioned the Sedlanders. I often have
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Speaker 2: Simon Roche on my show. He is the spokesman for
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Speaker 2: the Sedlanders. And he and I are quite good friends.
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Speaker 2: And you're exactly right in what you've just said about them.
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Speaker 2: And interestingly enough, you mentioned Assia. And you know that
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Speaker 2: Afrikaans history is very connected also to Assia. His name
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Speaker 2: was Sina van Rensburgh. although many don't talk about him anymore,
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Speaker 2: but he's still very integral to Afrikaans history. And like
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Speaker 2: I said earlier, the shooting yourself in the foot syndrome
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Speaker 2: is a big deal because I wonder if it's aided
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Speaker 2: in what could be What's the phrase I'm looking for?
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Speaker 2: A slowdown in its own success. I mean, now you
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Speaker 2: have Trump offering... Something like that.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you now have Trump offering refugee status. And
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Speaker 2: I find that so sad. A nation that held the
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Speaker 2: British back for two years. Sure, they lost, but history
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Speaker 2: is very kind to the Boers. And they created essentially
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Speaker 2: South Africa. And now they're running, they're being offered refugee
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Speaker 2: status in the United States to work for somebody else
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Speaker 2: in the original British colony.
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Speaker 1: You Afrikaners never broke free mentally from what you would
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Speaker 1: call the English. And for those who don't know, in
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Speaker 1: South Africa, an English would mean an anglophone South African
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Speaker 1: or anyone who is on board with the British way
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Speaker 1: of life, the educational system. And I praised rightly the
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Speaker 1: universities of the Western Cape a moment ago. But what
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Speaker 1: have they ended up as? They have ended up as
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Speaker 1: the last proper universities in the Anglosphere. Even if they
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Speaker 1: do teach certain subjects like biblical studies through Afrikaans for
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Speaker 1: those who wish to. They are places to which disaffected
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Speaker 1: Brits and Americans have recourse to learn proper standards of
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Speaker 1: education in classic subjects. You never had, nor did the
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Speaker 1: Dutch reformed here in the Netherlands. You never set up
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Speaker 1: your own, for want of a better phrase, Germanic model
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Speaker 1: of education that would suit your folks art, your national
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Speaker 1: temperament better. You're always trying to swan around in borrowed clothes, right?
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Speaker 1: If you make it to the top of the ecclesiastical
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Speaker 1: or academic or engineering or whatever establishment in South Africa,
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Speaker 1: you're still trying to masquerade as an English in the
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Speaker 1: South African sense of the term.
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Speaker 2: One of your... strengths is discussing the deep state and
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Speaker 2: of course the city of london and its influence on
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Speaker 2: global matters and i asked you a moment ago how
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Speaker 2: connected you you think the city of london perhaps is
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Speaker 2: to not just i suppose africanism but i think any
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Speaker 2: kind of minority and the and the suppression of that
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Speaker 2: and there may be more specific white people and western culture.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Have you noticed that Mark Carney gave a speech
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Speaker 1: in Davos about the end of the West very recently? Incidentally,
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Speaker 1: I was just at the 30-year reunion of my alumni
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Speaker 1: of my Cambridge College, and I bumped into ….
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Speaker 2: Where you played rugby, by the way. Sorry, but you'd
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Speaker 2: also played rugby. Yes.
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Speaker 1: And I'm going back to rugby to enthuse them to
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Speaker 1: learn languages shortly. But this was the Cambridge reunion. 1996
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Speaker 1: was when I went up from rugby to Cambridge. So
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Speaker 1: I've got lots of reunions at the moment. And this lad,
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that I have or ever had anything
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Speaker 1: against him, but he struck me as sort of a
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Speaker 1: middle of the road jack. The lad Cambridge students in
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Speaker 1: the days before Cambridge fully internationalized. So maybe the kind who,
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Speaker 1: you know, dominated the last generation of intake. He was
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Speaker 1: a science student, but I bumped into him in the
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Speaker 1: drinks tent before the main chapel service and formal hall.
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Speaker 1: The inevitable questions, what do you do these days? Someone
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Speaker 1: else spoke up, a mutual friend who had the room
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Speaker 1: between mine and his in our first year, and said, oh,
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Speaker 1: he's Mark Carney's speechwriter, he is. Well, it turned out
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Speaker 1: that this was only for part of Carney's life. when
19:50
Speaker 1: he'd been a banker. Well, he still is a banker,
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Speaker 1: but you know what I mean. So Mark Carney's speeches
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Speaker 1: are just one indication of this. You don't get UKASs
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Speaker 1: coming out from City of London banks saying we must
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Speaker 1: reduce the white population, but the families that run those
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Speaker 1: banks who have hedge fund managers and the secret shareholders
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Speaker 1: of Western money-creating banks sit in conclave and tell the
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Speaker 1: BIS in Basel what to do, they very much have
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Speaker 1: think tanks and puppets who pop up and say the
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Speaker 1: white man has had his day in the sun. Very
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Speaker 1: much so. And South Africa has always been ground zero
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Speaker 1: for that. And it's not unique to you lot. The
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Speaker 1: other project was the, I would say, Italo-Spanish. The Italians
20:36
Speaker 1: were in the lead. The Italo-Spanish projects in the southern
20:38
Speaker 1: cone of South America, Argentina and Uruguay, which per capita...
20:46
Speaker 1: Just like Russia before the Bolshevik Revolution was leapfrogging the
20:53
Speaker 1: Western world or the core Western world, the Anglo-American world,
20:57
Speaker 1: and threatening it. That had to be crushed. So I'm
21:00
Speaker 1: not saying that the Argentines were faultless. An intelligent Argentine
21:03
Speaker 1: will always admit that they shot themselves in the foot
21:05
Speaker 1: economically over the century. And just as in South Africa,
21:09
Speaker 1: they let the green-eyed monster prevail. You couldn't tolerate, particularly
21:13
Speaker 1: someone of your own race and your own background doing
21:15
Speaker 1: better than you. And if you went abroad, you had
21:17
Speaker 1: to deride him. So they had that. But clearly, they
21:20
Speaker 1: were economically assassinated through the IMF means and other such means.
21:25
Speaker 1: Southern Africa, in particular, because of its mineral wealth, has
21:28
Speaker 1: suffered a lot. That has tended to be further north
21:32
Speaker 1: than the Afrikaners in the next belt of Southern African
21:34
Speaker 1: countries where there are mines which have been hypothecated to
21:39
Speaker 1: raise fantastic sums of corrupt money in the city of London.
21:43
Speaker 1: The late Gordon Bowden said this best, that they were
21:46
Speaker 1: actually care and maintenance mines. That's what the miners call
21:50
Speaker 1: a mine that's on tailings and it's really a security
21:52
Speaker 1: liability because you have to patrol the perimeter and it's
21:54
Speaker 1: not producing its own way anymore. But a lot of
21:58
Speaker 1: these mines have been sold in the city of London
22:00
Speaker 1: as worth ridiculous money. That is how Arriva, the French
22:04
Speaker 1: state-owned nuclear fuels concern, laundered trillions, certainly billions, billions, I
22:13
Speaker 1: should say, in the days of Anne Levergeon being the boss.
22:17
Speaker 1: And that went to court. She was prosecuted on that basis.
22:20
Speaker 1: The same wheeze. So Southern Africa is the core of that. Yeah.
22:24
Speaker 2: And also when you say the word white, it always
22:26
Speaker 2: becomes very uncomfortable. And I think that is by design
22:29
Speaker 2: because I can say Chinese and there's nothing uncomfortable about it.
22:32
Speaker 2: And I find that also quite disturbing, you know, to
22:37
Speaker 2: talk about white people and then have to be defensive
22:40
Speaker 2: about it. I'm not saying anything more than that. I'm
22:44
Speaker 2: observing and I'm seeing trends, you know, like a hundred
22:48
Speaker 2: years ago, I think the The global population of white
22:52
Speaker 2: people was around 30%, and I think now it's below 10%.
22:55
Speaker 2: And by the way, that can also be because white
22:59
Speaker 2: people are just not having enough kids. I've got two kids.
23:02
Speaker 2: That's not enough. Correct.
23:05
Speaker 1: You know, you have to show up for the future,
23:07
Speaker 1: or otherwise you're voting yourself out of existence. Family circumstances differ.
23:12
Speaker 1: Nobody's under orders to have children, but that is it.
23:15
Speaker 1: We whites are the most individualistic. of the races. And
23:19
Speaker 1: we allow each other a lot of freedom within families
23:22
Speaker 1: as well. Spouses allow each other more freedom. Of course,
23:24
Speaker 1: the water boutery will start, abusive husbands and so on. Yes,
23:28
Speaker 1: but the norm is that we give our wives and
23:31
Speaker 1: children huge amounts of discretion. And when you get to
23:35
Speaker 1: the grandparent age, there is by far the least pressure
23:38
Speaker 1: among whites, particularly Northwest Europeans and their descendants in the diaspora,
23:42
Speaker 1: by far the least pressure to produce grandchildren. It's much
23:46
Speaker 1: more do your thing and be happy. to our detriment
23:49
Speaker 1: imaginable to uh anyone from asian or african stock really
23:54
Speaker 1: that you would not uh pressure for grandchildren to be produced.
24:00
Speaker 2: So there was a comment you made earlier that i
24:01
Speaker 2: wanted to come back to uh so when i was
24:04
Speaker 2: on my flight to uh to the uk there was
24:06
Speaker 2: a dutch woman next to me because i flew klm
24:08
Speaker 2: which by the way is probably one of the best
24:10
Speaker 2: airlines yes and uh Sorry, but I think there's a
24:15
Speaker 2: close rivalry between KLM and Emirates in my view.
24:21
Speaker 1: Any Gulf airline has the edge because the stewardesses are
24:23
Speaker 1: never rude to you. Whereas if you press the wrong
24:25
Speaker 1: buttons on a Dutch woman, she will snap at you
24:27
Speaker 1: even if she is the stewardess, right? Yes.
24:31
Speaker 2: So there was a Dutch woman next to me who
24:34
Speaker 2: happened to have been in South Africa before a few times.
24:38
Speaker 2: And more specifically in the gang areas, she was doing
24:41
Speaker 2: NGO work. And she asked me a question. She said,
24:46
Speaker 2: what do you think can bring African– also, by the way,
24:51
Speaker 2: when we say African countries, I almost always exclusively mean sub-Saharan.
24:54
Speaker 2: I don't mean Morocco and North Saharan countries. I think
24:58
Speaker 2: when we say Africa, I think we know what we
25:00
Speaker 2: mean by that. She asked me, what do you think
25:04
Speaker 2: can bring African countries out of that third world status?
25:09
Speaker 2: And without even blinking, I said to her, remove foreign interference.
25:16
Speaker 2: What do you make of that?
25:19
Speaker 1: The most enlightened Africans have said the same for a
25:22
Speaker 1: long time, or they have completely done a volt fast.
25:25
Speaker 1: I think of one particular Sierra Leonean chieftain in the
25:28
Speaker 1: days of the Diamond War, and they've said, look, now
25:31
Speaker 1: you've been and gone again. It's only fair that you
25:34
Speaker 1: come and colonize us again. That way we won't be
25:37
Speaker 1: hacking each other to bits. So you have to have
25:40
Speaker 1: one of the two. Either Whitey is gone and he's
25:44
Speaker 1: not coming back, and the African has to sort himself out.
25:48
Speaker 1: or he's coming back in his old guise. But, you know,
25:51
Speaker 1: the kind of mold of man and very doughty woman
25:55
Speaker 1: whom we sent out as merchants first and missionaries second
26:00
Speaker 1: and educators third, military came only really fourth and proper colonial,
26:05
Speaker 1: full-fledged colonialism came after that. That caliber of man and
26:08
Speaker 1: woman is no longer available. I think only of the
26:11
Speaker 1: white man's grave, as it was called, the most malaria-infested
26:14
Speaker 1: West African coasts. where thousands of missionary families with young children,
26:20
Speaker 1: they knew they were self-sacrificing. They settled on that coast
26:24
Speaker 1: around Malabar in Nigeria and such places, knowing that most
26:27
Speaker 1: of them would be in a graveyard there within the
26:29
Speaker 1: end of the year. But they kept doing it. And
26:32
Speaker 1: Nigeria is now the most populous and vigorous Christian population
26:35
Speaker 1: on the planet. Okay, you can question what kind of
26:38
Speaker 1: Christianity is in the ascendancy there, but even that is
26:41
Speaker 1: being steered from Britain and America, mostly the really nutty stuff. So, yeah,
26:47
Speaker 1: you have to let, now the Dutch phrase does it
26:51
Speaker 1: very well, in hun waarde laten staan, to give them
26:55
Speaker 1: their due, literally to let them stand in their own values. Otherwise,
26:58
Speaker 1: the African is not going to find his way to
27:00
Speaker 1: the 21st century. Yeah, but it is like a very,
27:04
Speaker 1: you know, for sure, people call this a right wing
27:06
Speaker 1: argument these days. Who was it who within Europe, within
27:10
Speaker 1: the white spectrum, described the pre-national people as völkerabfälle or
27:15
Speaker 1: refuse or scum of the nations? That was Friedrich Engels,
27:20
Speaker 1: arguably the more important founder of Marxism than Karl Marx,
27:23
Speaker 1: who was a sued. Engels wrote most of the theory
27:25
Speaker 1: for him. And it was Engels who said the Völkerabfälle
27:28
Speaker 1: have to be exterminated before any proto-fascists started making such arguments.
27:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you mentioned, you know, get whitey out, et cetera.
27:35
Speaker 2: And listen, as a South African white person, we have
27:40
Speaker 2: an identity crisis. I mean, I asked Mike and Charles recently,
27:44
Speaker 2: what does it mean to be British? And they, I mean,
27:47
Speaker 2: and they also don't really know. I can tell you.
27:50
Speaker 1: Very different classic answers, given that one is an Elsterman
27:53
Speaker 1: than the other is. Yes.
27:55
Speaker 2: Yes.
27:55
Speaker 1: I'll say he doesn't like me saying this, but a
27:57
Speaker 1: high born Englishman. I mean, he's in the noble sense.
27:59
Speaker 1: He's got all the values. But.
28:02
Speaker 2: Here in South Africa, I can't tell you what it
28:05
Speaker 2: means to be a South African. I don't know what
28:08
Speaker 2: that means. And we have an identity problem because I am,
28:12
Speaker 2: you know, I'm white, obviously, but that's because of Dutch
28:18
Speaker 2: and British history. I'm a consequence of that. I'm not
28:22
Speaker 2: welcome in the UK. I'm not welcome in Europe. I
28:24
Speaker 2: have to apply for a visa and they're very, very
28:27
Speaker 2: strict with it. And I have to come back.
28:30
Speaker 1: And There was a time 10 years ago when the
28:34
Speaker 1: Calvinist party in the Netherlands, the SGP, was lobbying during
28:38
Speaker 1: the worst of the Plasmoorde, the murders of isolated farmers,
28:42
Speaker 1: to let a substantial proportion of the rural Boers get
28:45
Speaker 1: visas to come to the Netherlands. And they were treated
28:48
Speaker 1: very high-handedly. But it wasn't just the Marxist deep state
28:54
Speaker 1: and their allies in the media and the judiciary doing it. No.
28:57
Speaker 1: Quite well-educated Dutch, and I'm afraid to say, particularly the
29:00
Speaker 1: Bible Belt people, would say, what? I thought the South
29:04
Speaker 1: Africans were black. Who are these guys? You wouldn't believe
29:08
Speaker 1: how cut off from their own heritage they are. Yeah.
29:11
Speaker 2: And I mean, that's the point that I'm making. Because
29:16
Speaker 2: of my history, I have to now figure out who
29:21
Speaker 2: I am. And I mean that sort of in a
29:23
Speaker 2: collective sense. And I even asked AI, what am I?
29:28
Speaker 2: And the answer that it gave me is you're African
29:31
Speaker 2: with European heritage, which is a very interesting way of
29:35
Speaker 2: describing it because I'm not European. I have no family
29:39
Speaker 2: in Europe. I have no no immediate connection. I mean,
29:41
Speaker 2: we're talking centuries here. I mean, a number of generations
29:44
Speaker 2: have passed.
29:44
Speaker 1: A nation cannot be mapped back onto the Dutch or
29:48
Speaker 1: any other European nation. Its genetic input was far broader
29:53
Speaker 1: than just the Dutch, notably French, largely Huguenots, but other
29:56
Speaker 1: kinds of adventurous French as well. Lots of northern Germans
30:00
Speaker 1: who were not Calvinists before they arrived. They were Lutherans
30:03
Speaker 1: of various shades. And then certainly in the Northern Cape,
30:06
Speaker 1: of course, you've got the Grigua element. It's more the
30:09
Speaker 1: Malay than the Bushmen. But both of those elements came
30:14
Speaker 1: into it and you would get the sandy skinned, well,
30:17
Speaker 1: half-breeds is what they used to be called. It sounds
30:19
Speaker 1: very derogatory now. They were a huge element. And you
30:22
Speaker 1: can see it in the language, how the language buckles
30:26
Speaker 1: and reforms under these influences. But the mentality too, you
30:29
Speaker 1: couldn't put the Afrikaner anywhere in Europe now because he
30:33
Speaker 1: has a pioneer spirit. He wants to homestead. The last
30:38
Speaker 1: time anyone in Europe did that was probably in the
30:41
Speaker 1: part of Europe where the Afrikaners largely came from, namely
30:44
Speaker 1: the North Dutch and German coast, where the Frisians and
30:49
Speaker 1: the Saxons were very keen homesteaders. And it was very
30:52
Speaker 1: limited government and gentlemen really running their own families as
30:55
Speaker 1: many states. But that's disappeared from Europe.
30:59
Speaker 2: Which is fascinating. Also, I think why the Dutch see
31:03
Speaker 2: Afrikaners and Afrikaans as a bit backwards and peasant class.
31:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course they do. More than the Flemings do,
31:12
Speaker 1: by the way. I mean, the Flemings have got a
31:13
Speaker 1: totally different, more refined humor and understanding of history than
31:17
Speaker 1: the modern Dutch, particularly the Randstad. The provincial are a
31:21
Speaker 1: lot more educated and polite than people often may think
31:23
Speaker 1: they are. And I get to see the whole country
31:25
Speaker 1: because I travel as an interpreter. In fact, I see
31:27
Speaker 1: disproportionately the farming and fishing areas outside the Randstad. And
31:31
Speaker 1: there's a lot of meeting of minds that you would
31:33
Speaker 1: have with those people if I could show you where
31:35
Speaker 1: to look. But no, the Flemings, because they have a
31:38
Speaker 1: higher view of their own history, preserve the language more intact,
31:42
Speaker 1: they understand the Afrikaners better. But it's just fashionable language.
31:46
Speaker 1: Particularly in Holland, so the Western Netherlands these days, there's
31:50
Speaker 1: a knee-jerk reaction whenever they hear Afrikaans say, I can't
31:53
Speaker 1: understand that. They do that not just with the Boers,
31:56
Speaker 1: but with anyone and anything. They say, you what? It's
31:59
Speaker 1: just the way that their modern culture has gone, that
32:02
Speaker 1: you have to deride everything.
32:05
Speaker 2: Do you know about the Afrikaans who fled to Argentina?
32:09
Speaker 1: I was hearing about them again just this week because
32:11
Speaker 1: I'm very keen on languages. So I was finding out
32:14
Speaker 1: more about how their language is being preserved. It's in
32:18
Speaker 1: the Chubut, isn't it? The northern end of Patagonia.
32:21
Speaker 2: And it's very different.
32:22
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. It was mainly Northern Cape influences. So the
32:27
Speaker 1: doubling of the negative with Ni is different there. And
32:29
Speaker 1: some of the key words are different because it comes
32:32
Speaker 1: from an earlier generation of Afrikaans before European Dutch, which
32:34
Speaker 1: was more French, took over. But what's funny is not
32:39
Speaker 1: for the first nor the last time, the Dutch diaspora
32:42
Speaker 1: that ended up there chose the same places to settle
32:45
Speaker 1: as the Celts because they ended up being cheek by
32:48
Speaker 1: jowl with the Welsh of Patagonia. in Ouladva, the Welsh
32:52
Speaker 1: colony there. And you find the same in Ontario, for example,
32:55
Speaker 1: just over the border from Detroit, near London, Ontario. There's
32:58
Speaker 1: areas where half of the farms are Scots and half
33:01
Speaker 1: are Dutch Reformed. They went to occupy exactly the same niche,
33:05
Speaker 1: particularly in cattle farming, but in other areas as well.
33:07
Speaker 1: So they find each other on the other side of
33:10
Speaker 1: the world.
33:11
Speaker 2: Just for those who don't know what I'm talking about,
33:15
Speaker 2: just before the second Anglo-Boer War broke out, which would
33:18
Speaker 2: have been in the late 1800s, a group of Afrikaners
33:22
Speaker 2: got very scared about the prospects of the war and
33:25
Speaker 2: jumped on a ship and.
33:26
Speaker 1: Fled to Argentina. Was there a sea with them? There
33:27
Speaker 1: probably was.
33:33
Speaker 2: And what's funny is that they started their own kind
33:36
Speaker 2: of Afrikaner community, and they're still there to this day.
33:39
Speaker 2: I think they're obviously a few generations on. I think
33:43
Speaker 2: they're numbering the hundreds. They speak a very strange dialect
33:47
Speaker 2: of Afrikaans. I can understand it, but it's weird. It
33:51
Speaker 2: sounds sort of Dutch. I don't know. I can't quite
33:54
Speaker 2: figure it out. And most of them have actually never
33:57
Speaker 2: been to South Africa.
34:00
Speaker 1: And the interesting detail is that on that first ship,
34:03
Speaker 1: there were two blacks that came along, probably not entirely voluntarily.
34:07
Speaker 1: And one of them rejoiced in the name of Dumb Boy.
34:10
Speaker 1: I have no idea how he got that name. It
34:12
Speaker 1: probably doesn't mean what we think it does. But anyway,
34:14
Speaker 1: they probably inserted themselves into the gene pool of that
34:18
Speaker 1: colony in the next generation as well.
34:20
Speaker 2: I've actually wanted to interview anybody from that Afrikaner community,
34:24
Speaker 2: but they're very much like the Amish. They don't have internet.
34:28
Speaker 1: No. And this is it. You see in the New
34:31
Speaker 1: World with the Mennonites, which is low German, they're not
34:37
Speaker 1: Calvinist at all. They have a different view of how
34:39
Speaker 1: a person is saved and what his responsibilities are. But
34:42
Speaker 1: to the outside, they look like just another extreme Protestant version.
34:47
Speaker 1: But you get that all the way from Canada down
34:50
Speaker 1: to southern South America, that the Mennonites or Amish are
34:53
Speaker 1: in these communities. And people assume that they're just rejecting
34:57
Speaker 1: the world to live, splendid isolation. But there used to
35:01
Speaker 1: be very solid reasons for it, that they could dedicate
35:03
Speaker 1: themselves more to their environment, self-improvement and education that way.
35:09
Speaker 1: But I'm afraid, you know, it's not just a secularist
35:14
Speaker 1: or globalist critique of these people. It's true. A lot
35:17
Speaker 1: of them have chosen to stay in these snug communities
35:22
Speaker 1: coast along and not use the faculties that God gave them. Okay,
35:25
Speaker 1: God may have called your bloodline and you as an
35:28
Speaker 1: individual to a very practical job, being the salt of
35:31
Speaker 1: the earth, farming or an associated field, but you have
35:34
Speaker 1: to cultivate the mind. Otherwise, you can't call yourself any
35:36
Speaker 1: kind of Protestant, much less a Calvinist, predicated upon you
35:40
Speaker 1: being literate. The whole idea was that whatever basic, humble
35:45
Speaker 1: job you may do in society, you have to be
35:46
Speaker 1: literate and able to debate the meaning of the scriptures.
35:49
Speaker 1: But that has flipped, even in the Dutch Reformed scene,
35:52
Speaker 1: let alone the Amish in most of the New World
35:55
Speaker 1: and in Central Asia. It's, don't bother me with learning.
36:00
Speaker 1: Learn this 17th century German text by heart and drone on,
36:05
Speaker 1: sing these hymns that you don't understand the words of
36:07
Speaker 1: because they're in another language. That's not what the forefathers
36:10
Speaker 1: of these movements wanted at all. Yeah, Alex, I'm so enjoying...
36:15
Speaker 1: chatting to you about all of this, that this has
36:17
Speaker 1: to be a record for the longest introduction to you
36:21
Speaker 1: I think I've ever done of any guest on my show.
36:25
Speaker 1: And I want to come back to the rugby bit,
36:27
Speaker 1: but let's just, for those who don't know who you are... Oh,
36:34
Speaker 1: people who didn't know me from Adam have got a
36:36
Speaker 1: fair idea already. Okay. So I'm 47. I grew up
36:43
Speaker 1: in Bedfordshire with a Scots father and a mother from Cheshire.
36:48
Speaker 1: And I was at boarding school from the age of 12.
36:50
Speaker 1: You probably want to ask about that in a moment.
36:53
Speaker 1: On a scholarship, not because I came from a tough family.
36:57
Speaker 1: I got there on merit. And then off to Cambridge
37:01
Speaker 1: doing a linguistic and historical subject. Then I was a
37:05
Speaker 1: student missionary in Georgia, former USSR. Then I was with
37:09
Speaker 1: British Intelligence, GCHQ, for eight years before emigrating to marry
37:12
Speaker 1: a Dutch woman. These days, I am a Bible translator
37:15
Speaker 1: and interpreter and teacher of the biblical languages.
37:18
Speaker 2: And a fellow colleague of mine at UK Column.
37:22
Speaker 1: Certainly, and I have not renounced UK column, but since
37:26
Speaker 1: losing my mother at the end of 2024 and being
37:28
Speaker 1: an only child, I've been continually shuttling back and forth
37:31
Speaker 1: to Scotland looking at the dad. So that plus the
37:36
Speaker 1: peak of activities that I'm involved in with Bible translation
37:41
Speaker 1: really are two things that are even more unique and
37:44
Speaker 1: I would say equally or more noble than UK column
37:46
Speaker 1: work that have justified me taking a back seat at
37:49
Speaker 1: the moment and i haven't left uh we agreed at
37:52
Speaker 1: the plymouth reunion that we're going to restart a dissidence
37:55
Speaker 1: guide to the constitution as a podcast series that will
37:57
Speaker 1: probably be my main production for a uk column.
38:01
Speaker 2: Yeah excuse me just just quickly you you mentioned education
38:05
Speaker 2: i said i was going to come back to that
38:06
Speaker 2: because you played rugby what position did you play.
38:09
Speaker 1: I was normally a number eight, but I was never
38:12
Speaker 1: any good at speed. I mean, you didn't get a choice.
38:15
Speaker 1: Certainly in my day, if you went to rugby, you
38:16
Speaker 1: played rugby. Nobody actually ever explained the rules to me
38:20
Speaker 1: or gave me a rule book. But unlike playing, we
38:23
Speaker 1: weren't allowed to say football, rugby, association football or soccer
38:28
Speaker 1: at my previous school, where you just got yelled at
38:30
Speaker 1: if you didn't understand what you were supposed to be doing.
38:33
Speaker 1: The games masters at rugby actually took the time to say, now, Thompson,
38:35
Speaker 1: this is offside, it's all. So even if I mean,
38:38
Speaker 1: I have some bodily mass, obviously, I'm not at all
38:41
Speaker 1: coordinated or quick. And being a glasses wearer, I couldn't
38:47
Speaker 1: really see what was happening on the rugby pitch. But,
38:48
Speaker 1: you know, I was not the kind to whinge. So
38:51
Speaker 1: in the 90s, you didn't whinge at rugby. You just
38:54
Speaker 1: got on with it.
38:55
Speaker 2: No, for sure.
38:55
Speaker 1: You go for a bit of heft in the scrum.
38:57
Speaker 1: That was about it.
38:59
Speaker 2: I ask because I like to watch rugby and we
39:01
Speaker 2: don't have many great exports in South Africa, but one
39:05
Speaker 2: of them is rugby.
39:08
Speaker 1: Yes yeah you are uh you've got that combination and
39:13
Speaker 1: you know it's it's it's a gentleman's game isn't it
39:15
Speaker 1: that there is that awful quip that rugby is a
39:17
Speaker 1: game played by gentlemen with odd shaped balls but as
39:22
Speaker 1: a misplaced relative not a misplaced compliment of the sentence
39:25
Speaker 1: by the way but the gentleman is the most important.
39:28
Speaker 1: I mean, rugby was the last of the contact sports
39:31
Speaker 1: to professionalize and the last to require any degree of
39:34
Speaker 1: policing because it really was by gentlemen who would not
39:38
Speaker 1: start a brawl and it was watched by fans who
39:41
Speaker 1: would not start a brawl either.
39:43
Speaker 2: So I have to bring this up because it always
39:45
Speaker 2: comes up if I talk about sports and I don't
39:48
Speaker 2: watch a lot of sports. I do enjoy rugby. But
39:50
Speaker 2: every time I mention it, someone invariably says bread and circuses.
39:57
Speaker 2: And I agree, but it is important also, and maybe
40:02
Speaker 2: you can back me up or not, but I think
40:05
Speaker 2: it is important to break away from reality from time
40:08
Speaker 2: to time.
40:10
Speaker 1: Well, look, if you have got, as you did in
40:13
Speaker 1: the 17th, 18th, 19th centuries, a lot of prepubescent and
40:18
Speaker 1: early pubescent boys cooped up, You're trying desperately to keep
40:21
Speaker 1: them away from girls and you're trying to keep their
40:23
Speaker 1: minds on their studies as well. You have to give
40:27
Speaker 1: them some kind of outlet, don't you? I mean, rugby
40:30
Speaker 1: school in those days would have a succession of riots.
40:32
Speaker 1: There was one where they threw a petard, an early
40:34
Speaker 1: kind of grenade at the headmaster's door, blew the door off,
40:38
Speaker 1: carted his desk out to the middle of the close,
40:41
Speaker 1: the playing field, burnt it. There was a wee sort
40:44
Speaker 1: of Mott & Bailey construction at the edge of the close.
40:46
Speaker 1: You can still see they went up on that mound.
40:49
Speaker 1: I don't know if there was a drawbridge, but they
40:50
Speaker 1: barricaded themselves in. And a militia of Irish guards that
40:54
Speaker 1: was being marched off to the Napoleonic Wars had to
40:57
Speaker 1: come and literally read them the riot acts in 1798.
41:00
Speaker 1: So that kind of thing was going on in the
41:02
Speaker 1: generation before William Webb Ellis, commemorated by a stone plaque
41:06
Speaker 1: in a rugby school just outside the main building there.
41:10
Speaker 1: William Webb Ellis picked up the ball. And he was
41:12
Speaker 1: actually the opposite of that, you know, the derisory sketch
41:15
Speaker 1: that you're painting, which a lot of people had. His
41:17
Speaker 1: attitude was, well, they've already stuck me on this stupid
41:19
Speaker 1: sodding close playing football and there's no fun to that.
41:22
Speaker 1: So I might as well pick the ball up and
41:25
Speaker 1: invent something new. So that's the whole point about English
41:29
Speaker 1: public school. If you are a maverick who defies authority
41:33
Speaker 1: with panache and without using unnecessarily foul language and uncouth
41:38
Speaker 1: violence– then you'll be celebrated because the public schools train
41:42
Speaker 1: boys to go off to a part of India or
41:45
Speaker 1: Africa where no white face has been seen before and
41:49
Speaker 1: impose authority and be the civil engineer, the educator, the
41:52
Speaker 1: judge and the policeman for a district of hundreds of
41:56
Speaker 1: thousands of people. And a lot of these boys pulled
41:58
Speaker 1: it off. You know, they commanded authority.
42:03
Speaker 2: I'm reminded of a prank. Speaking of rugby, there was
42:07
Speaker 2: a great prank that happened a number of years ago
42:09
Speaker 2: now when South Africa won the Rugby World Cup. I
42:13
Speaker 2: can't remember which one it was. And by the way,
42:15
Speaker 2: did you notice that humble brag there? I don't remember
42:17
Speaker 2: which one it was. But what happened was, I think
42:24
Speaker 2: we were in the UK. I cannot remember. And the
42:28
Speaker 2: team was heading back to South Africa with the William
42:32
Speaker 2: Webb Ellis trophy. A guy on one of our radio
42:37
Speaker 2: stations here, he phoned the airport. And as I said,
42:40
Speaker 2: it might have been Heathrow. I cannot remember which airport
42:42
Speaker 2: it was. And he got them to make an announcement
42:47
Speaker 2: in the airport that somebody needed to board the plane.
42:53
Speaker 2: And if you could please go to the boarding gate now.
42:56
Speaker 2: And they recorded it. And she said, okay, so who
42:59
Speaker 2: needs to board? And he said, look, his name is
43:01
Speaker 2: William Webb Ellis. And she said, can you just repeat that? Yeah,
43:06
Speaker 2: it's William Webelis. And she says, okay, hold on one sec.
43:10
Speaker 2: And she goes into the intercom and says, can William
43:13
Speaker 2: Webelis please board at gate whatever it was. I mean,
43:15
Speaker 2: it was so funny. Of course, they don't do that now.
43:18
Speaker 1: Because, of course, he being the trophy, it really had
43:21
Speaker 1: to board the plane.
43:22
Speaker 2: In the early days of the internet.
43:24
Speaker 1: This must have been 97 or so, there was an
43:26
Speaker 1: early audio file that was circulating online. of a couple
43:29
Speaker 1: of lads who decided to prank maybe Gatwick Airport by
43:33
Speaker 1: asking for something to be read out about the names
43:35
Speaker 1: of two fellow passengers who had failed to appear at
43:40
Speaker 1: the gate. And so you've got this recording of the
43:42
Speaker 1: lady reading, my colleague just farted and I can't stand
43:46
Speaker 1: the smell. She did it four or five times before
43:50
Speaker 1: she realised, funny spelling notwithstanding, that this was actually what
43:54
Speaker 1: she was reading. Really?
43:56
Speaker 2: How do you not hear that?
44:00
Speaker 1: If you're very clever and inventive with the spelling, I
44:02
Speaker 1: don't know. I think probably because it was just before
44:05
Speaker 1: 9-11 and there was a degree of obeisance to Muslim-looking names.
44:11
Speaker 1: So my colleague, for example, was probably spelled with a Q,
44:16
Speaker 1: that kind of thing.
44:18
Speaker 2: We haven't really spoken about anything serious, and that's fine.
44:20
Speaker 2: But you mentioned 9-11. Can you remember what you were
44:22
Speaker 2: doing on the day?
44:24
Speaker 1: Yes. I was sinking down in disbelief onto a bed
44:29
Speaker 1: in the guest room of a host's apartment in Yerevan, Armenia,
44:35
Speaker 1: because I was doing one of my return visits to
44:38
Speaker 1: the Caucasus as recently returned from there. And I was
44:43
Speaker 1: employed in a sort of temporary job there waiting for
44:46
Speaker 1: my HCHQ clearance to come through. So that's why I
44:49
Speaker 1: was in the Caucasus. And I had just gone into Armenia,
44:51
Speaker 1: which was if anything, even poorer than Georgia and more
44:53
Speaker 1: isolated back then, where I had some church connections. And
44:58
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that this host had a TV,
45:00
Speaker 1: but his wife, we were all in the dining room
45:04
Speaker 1: and his wife came running through. Of course, with the
45:06
Speaker 1: time difference, it was late afternoon in Armenia by this point.
45:10
Speaker 1: saying something about Washington, New York. So he said, come
45:13
Speaker 1: guest room, we have television. And I saw the replay
45:17
Speaker 1: of the second tower collapsing. That was the moment when
45:19
Speaker 1: my knees buckled. Not that I'm any kind of civil engineer,
45:22
Speaker 1: but David Scott, who was then with UK Column, put
45:26
Speaker 1: it very well. At the time, he as a civil
45:27
Speaker 1: engineer just thought that shouldn't happen and then filed that
45:31
Speaker 1: thought away because it was wrong think. So I had
45:33
Speaker 1: an inchoate sense of that as well. That shouldn't happen.
45:38
Speaker 2: I did not, and I'm ashamed to say that I
45:41
Speaker 2: thought along the lines of the official story probably until,
45:47
Speaker 2: I don't know, the mid-20-teens. I never questioned it. Hmm.
45:53
Speaker 1: Well, lots of people didn't. I mean, you'd have to–
45:58
Speaker 1: it depends on how you first viewed the footage. What
46:01
Speaker 1: about yourself, Jeremy? Where did you first see it, and
46:03
Speaker 1: what social setting were you in? That probably makes sense.
46:06
Speaker 2: Well, I was at my girlfriend's house, I think. So
46:10
Speaker 2: the timing here was sort of mid-afternoon. So I can't
46:15
Speaker 2: remember what I was doing. I think I was at
46:16
Speaker 2: college or something and I'd finished for the day and
46:18
Speaker 2: I was visiting my girlfriend. And I think we were
46:20
Speaker 2: watching MTV or VH1. Because in those days, MTV still
46:24
Speaker 2: played music. Yes. And I've got very fond memories of
46:29
Speaker 2: sort of the late 90s, early 2000s music scene in general.
46:32
Speaker 2: But anyway, that's a different topic. And her brother, uh,
46:37
Speaker 2: came running and older brother, he came running and going,
46:39
Speaker 2: world war three has just started. Turn on CNN, turn
46:41
Speaker 2: on CNN. And we switched over and there was that
46:43
Speaker 2: tower with the smoke coming out that everybody remembers. Um,
46:46
Speaker 2: and that was that, that was, that was now the
46:49
Speaker 2: day gone, uh, because everybody was now just watching CNN. And, um,
46:55
Speaker 2: And then I think college the next day, there was
46:57
Speaker 2: no college at all. Everything just closed. And that was
47:00
Speaker 2: just for the next two or three days was watching this. Well,
47:05
Speaker 2: the repercussions and everything. But I mean, my critical mind
47:09
Speaker 2: really only started, I think, around 2009, 2010. And it
47:16
Speaker 2: wasn't about 9-11. It was about climate change. I watched
47:19
Speaker 2: a documentary that had come out called The Great Global
47:22
Speaker 2: Warming Swindle.
47:24
Speaker 1: You come across James Denningpole's book, Watermelons, in that.
47:28
Speaker 2: No, well, I didn't know anything about it at the time.
47:32
Speaker 1: Fair enough. I'll tell you what the follow-up to 9-11
47:35
Speaker 1: was for me, is that, I say this with no
47:40
Speaker 1: disregard to my own elders, but just for shorthand, Boomer
47:43
Speaker 1: Media was then going hammer and tongs everyone for the
47:48
Speaker 1: next two weeks. Of course, this means that Muslims worldwide
47:51
Speaker 1: will rise up against the Westerner now. Both my father
47:55
Speaker 1: and my grandfather, both very maternal grandfather, this was very
47:59
Speaker 1: educated men, both of them, but they tended to read
48:01
Speaker 1: email passively and harumph, harumph. They both sent me separately
48:06
Speaker 1: pretty much the only email they ever wrote, certainly the
48:09
Speaker 1: only email to me. And it was full sentences, you know,
48:14
Speaker 1: dear son slash grandson, I know you have a very
48:16
Speaker 1: difficult decision to make, but for goodness sake, don't continue
48:18
Speaker 1: into Turkey because there's Muslims there and they'll garrote you
48:22
Speaker 1: because the signal's now gone out. Many do understand the
48:27
Speaker 1: Muslims very well, actually, both of them. But the programming
48:31
Speaker 1: took over.
48:32
Speaker 2: This is the thing, though. I mean, we have a
48:37
Speaker 2: Muslim population in South Africa, I don't know, two, three million.
48:41
Speaker 2: And I've known Muslims my whole life. And not one
48:44
Speaker 2: of them has been an aggressive, militant, bad person. And
48:50
Speaker 2: it only occurred to me, I don't know, in the
48:52
Speaker 2: last eight years maybe, that there's been this deliberate attempt
48:59
Speaker 2: to us versus them, or us and them kind of–
49:06
Speaker 2: what's the word I'm looking for? To create a– Well.
49:09
Speaker 1: The classic word, which is borrowed from the 1970s insurgency
49:13
Speaker 1: in Italy by the Brigadi Rossi back then, the Red Brigades,
49:17
Speaker 1: is a strategy of tension.
49:19
Speaker 2: There we go.
49:20
Speaker 1: If you understand Operation Gladio, I mean, I'm sure you will,
49:23
Speaker 1: but some of you won't, look for the BBC Two
49:28
Speaker 1: documentary by, was it Time Watch, I think was the
49:32
Speaker 1: name of the series, about Operation Gladio. That's the masterful
49:35
Speaker 1: treatment of strategy of tension, which is where the deep
49:38
Speaker 1: state has a bunch of extreme nutters who are classed
49:42
Speaker 1: as invader, foreign religion, foreign ethnicity, and a bunch who
49:45
Speaker 1: are classified as extreme patriot or host society. and spin
49:50
Speaker 1: them off against each other. And the same deep state
49:53
Speaker 1: doesn't literally set the bombs off itself, but it winds
49:56
Speaker 1: up both sets of men to set the bombs off.
49:58
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Gladio is the largest COVID operation in history.
50:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this isn't conspiracy theory, because Italy and Belgium
50:06
Speaker 1: had full parliamentary inquiries. I've spoken to Belgian intelligence officers
50:10
Speaker 1: who've said, Alex, it's a lot worse than we ever
50:12
Speaker 1: admitted to the prime minister. Because in both countries, they
50:16
Speaker 1: had people being blown to smithereens in supermarkets and bombs
50:21
Speaker 1: going off in litter bins and at railway stations, just
50:24
Speaker 1: like in Northern Ireland. And the big question over how
50:27
Speaker 1: much this overlapped with Northern Ireland, by the way, all
50:29
Speaker 1: controlled by MI6 SIS, well-known.
50:32
Speaker 2: And the Vatican.
50:33
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, because of the Perdue Lodge, which is–
50:36
Speaker 1: we get into a deep mind there about Italian Freemasonry
50:40
Speaker 1: at the very high expressly satanic globalist level of Freemasonry
50:45
Speaker 1: being the main route through which the Anglo-American banking world
50:52
Speaker 1: kept its foot on the continent.
50:55
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the wrong time to bring that up.
50:59
Speaker 2: We've only got a few minutes left. You'll have to
51:03
Speaker 2: come back for a more formulaic conversation. But because this
51:09
Speaker 2: was the first time you have come onto my show,
51:12
Speaker 2: I didn't want to make it too formulaic. I just
51:16
Speaker 2: wanted to break the ice, as it were. But I
51:19
Speaker 2: wanted to point out also– sorry, are you going to
51:21
Speaker 2: say it?
51:21
Speaker 1: No, I was just saying it's a great approach that
51:23
Speaker 1: you're taking. I'm looking forward to the next one.
51:29
Speaker 2: Keep in mind, I don't interview people. I have conversations.
51:34
Speaker 2: I wanted to point out, though, that going back to
51:38
Speaker 2: the critical thinking, the lag that I experienced, and I
51:45
Speaker 2: know I'm not alone, and so I don't feel bad
51:47
Speaker 2: saying that, but have you ever wondered why, Alex, some
51:52
Speaker 2: people are quicker at it than others? And a good
51:54
Speaker 2: example is COVID. So I... almost right off the bat
51:58
Speaker 2: suspected this wasn't normal. Something was wrong here. This wasn't
52:03
Speaker 2: what they were telling us. But the majority of people
52:06
Speaker 2: around me didn't ask questions. And I'm trying to figure
52:09
Speaker 2: out why this happens.
52:11
Speaker 1: It doesn't correlate cleanly with intelligence level or with upbringing
52:16
Speaker 1: so much. It's a question of character type, really. There
52:20
Speaker 1: are people at all levels of intelligence and education who
52:25
Speaker 1: who have a very strong inner dialogue, the voice of
52:29
Speaker 1: conscience and of common sense. You could say those are
52:31
Speaker 1: two different voices in our heads. They can both be
52:35
Speaker 1: muted and assassinated. And this isn't just modern technology, chemical
52:39
Speaker 1: or psychological means that can do this or electronic means.
52:41
Speaker 1: It's been done since antiquity through what's described in the
52:45
Speaker 1: Bible as people searing their consciences with a hot iron.
52:48
Speaker 1: But there are these voices in your head Obviously, our
52:51
Speaker 1: characters are very variable, so they differ in intensity from
52:55
Speaker 1: family to family, from individual to individual, even between siblings,
52:59
Speaker 1: twins even. But there is, as the Dutch would say,
53:04
Speaker 1: in a normal situation, there is a voice in our
53:07
Speaker 1: head that says, this is not plausible. Usually, it's the
53:13
Speaker 1: first thing that's heard in our head that before the
53:18
Speaker 1: voice of social approbation or the crowd says, no, go
53:23
Speaker 1: along with this. But there are people who have a
53:27
Speaker 1: much dimmed and muted voice. They may only have one
53:33
Speaker 1: side muted. They may be very conscientious, but low on
53:35
Speaker 1: street smarts or vice versa, very high on common sense,
53:38
Speaker 1: but not very conscientious. But one or other of these
53:42
Speaker 1: is supposed to say, This is not what your five
53:46
Speaker 1: senses and your world experience would prompt you to expect
53:49
Speaker 1: in this situation, whether it's a tower collapsing that's made
53:51
Speaker 1: of solid steel or whatever else.
53:54
Speaker 2: So there are.
53:55
Speaker 1: People who switch that off or who are trained to
53:57
Speaker 1: switch it off. So I wonder whether you growing up,
54:01
Speaker 1: I don't know, you can never compare yourself to others
54:03
Speaker 1: because we only lived inside our own heads, you know,
54:04
Speaker 1: but had a stronger than average sense of either conscience
54:09
Speaker 1: or common sense that would dialogue with you before society
54:12
Speaker 1: broke in.
54:14
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, that's an interesting question. I mean, this
54:16
Speaker 2: is a question I don't think we know the answer to.
54:18
Speaker 2: But in 2023, when I was in the Netherlands, I
54:21
Speaker 2: had the great pleasure of having lunch with Matthias Desmet,
54:23
Speaker 2: who is now a name that pretty much nobody knows.
54:27
Speaker 2: But he was very significant during the COVID years. A
54:30
Speaker 2: Belgian professor of psychology wrote a great book on totalitarianism
54:34
Speaker 2: and not necessarily unique. I mean, he's borrowed resources. He's
54:37
Speaker 2: borrowed the work of many great thinkers before him. But
54:42
Speaker 2: he made the comment, which I've never forgotten, that around
54:46
Speaker 2: three out of ten people at any given stage will
54:50
Speaker 2: push back against the narrative, will push back against the
54:54
Speaker 2: established view, which is a very low number. And he
54:59
Speaker 2: says it's been like that throughout history. And the majority...
55:04
Speaker 2: will always kind of be on the fence, not want
55:06
Speaker 2: to rock the boat, just kind of go with it.
55:08
Speaker 2: You know, they are the people who will climb on
55:10
Speaker 2: an airplane with a mask. They don't necessarily have a view,
55:14
Speaker 2: might not believe it, but they just want to get
55:16
Speaker 2: to the next city. Whereas that first.
55:21
Speaker 1: The Polish book, Political Poneurology, recently reissued in a new version,
55:26
Speaker 1: which brings out the other side of that. This was
55:28
Speaker 1: secret research during the communist era in how the really
55:32
Speaker 1: nasty 30% could be cultivated and emboldened and given a
55:37
Speaker 1: higher absolute and relative share in society. The ones that
55:40
Speaker 1: would say, come on, let's fall in line. Let's climb
55:42
Speaker 1: to the top.
55:46
Speaker 2: And I've been thinking about this argument for years now.
55:50
Speaker 2: And I'll just throw it at you and tell me
55:51
Speaker 2: what you think. Is it perhaps like that? Because that
55:56
Speaker 2: is the best way that humans can function. Let's say
56:00
Speaker 2: that that three became six or seven. Would we become dysfunctional?
56:07
Speaker 1: If it were 60 or 70% of society that obeyed
56:11
Speaker 1: without questioning, you mean?
56:13
Speaker 2: No, no, did not. In other words, thought critically about everything.
56:16
Speaker 1: Okay, well, if you want to be race realist and
56:21
Speaker 1: historically informed about this, the Northwestern European, which is where
56:25
Speaker 1: we began our hours conversation, would survive. You know, the
56:28
Speaker 1: memes recently about, hey, Claude, rewrite the law, but for
56:33
Speaker 1: IQ 130 plus white men from Northwestern Europe. That's true.
56:37
Speaker 1: We have particularly wicked people in that section of the
56:41
Speaker 1: world population too. But the idea of a society of
56:45
Speaker 1: gentlemen is that they will enforce the law upon each
56:47
Speaker 1: other and appeal to consciences and that perhaps their own
56:50
Speaker 1: underlings will revolt against them, which is usually what's happened
56:53
Speaker 1: in those societies. But there are certain societies which can
56:57
Speaker 1: have more freedom than others. If you are in a
57:01
Speaker 1: part of the world where, never mind the debate about
57:03
Speaker 1: IQ and race, where the climate and the terrain are
57:08
Speaker 1: such that everyone has to jolly well do the same
57:11
Speaker 1: thing and work hard at it and not get above
57:13
Speaker 1: their station, then it's not going to work. By the way,
57:15
Speaker 1: these parts of the world are not just tropical, swampy
57:20
Speaker 1: hellholes in Africa or South Asia, for example. Within Europe,
57:26
Speaker 1: it was another kind of malaria-infested lowland, namely the Netherlands.
57:31
Speaker 1: where people were particularly strongly required to do the hard
57:35
Speaker 1: physical labor of stopping the whole country from drowning by
57:38
Speaker 1: continually draining and bolstering the defenses, the dikes and poldering
57:46
Speaker 1: the land. So that's approximately, that's a reason why Dutch
57:51
Speaker 1: culture in general and Bible Belt culture in particular opposes
57:55
Speaker 1: individualism and intellectualism. and is actually a lot more conformitarian
58:01
Speaker 1: than the Dutch are supposed to be by international standards
58:04
Speaker 1: who think of them as very individualistically minded people. As
58:10
Speaker 1: the listeners can tell from this answer, there's a lot
58:12
Speaker 1: that's been theorized about this, but it all depends on
58:16
Speaker 1: place and time. Read Montesquieu, L'Esprit des Lois, The Spirit
58:19
Speaker 1: of the Laws, the French 18th century genius who was
58:22
Speaker 1: the first to travel around Britain and America. Obviously, there
58:26
Speaker 1: was another famous Frenchman of the same generation who's better
58:30
Speaker 1: known because he wrote about democracy in America. But both
58:34
Speaker 1: of these French gentlemen realized look, there must be a
58:37
Speaker 1: reason why we can't be English gentlemen, which has been
58:39
Speaker 1: a long bubbling frustration among our nearest neighbours, the French,
58:43
Speaker 1: the Germans, the Dutch. Why can't I be an English gentleman?
58:45
Speaker 1: I mean, even, you know, very high up Nazis, Manuel
58:51
Speaker 1: Sarkissian wrote his book about this, who said, why are
58:54
Speaker 1: we only scoring two out of five on the English
58:56
Speaker 1: gentleman scale of being effortlessly superior, self-governing and liberal and
59:00
Speaker 1: limited government and so on? One of the reasons for
59:04
Speaker 1: that is different terrain, different economic structure leads to different families.
59:10
Speaker 1: and how much freedom we grant each other.
59:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I'm going to get you
59:14
Speaker 2: back so we can discuss that, particularly around that individualism
59:17
Speaker 2: versus collectivism. It's a fascinating line of thinking because I've
59:24
Speaker 2: been reading a lot about that for years and I've
59:26
Speaker 2: I've moved all over the place because I can't quite
59:29
Speaker 2: figure out if there is an equation that applies everywhere.
59:33
Speaker 2: And I don't think there's one.
59:35
Speaker 1: No, no. I mean, the gospel of Jesus Christ really
59:39
Speaker 1: is the ultimate truth to me. And it's what's distinctive
59:43
Speaker 1: about it in any society where it's come. And it's
59:45
Speaker 1: triumphed in very individualistic, very intelligent countries everywhere. and also,
59:49
Speaker 1: pardon me for being blunt, comparatively stupid and clannish societies.
59:54
Speaker 1: The gospel has triumphed in all of these places, sometimes
59:56
Speaker 1: and sometimes not. But the distinctive message of the gospel,
1:00:00
Speaker 1: even set against Judaism, and you could more particularly say
1:00:03
Speaker 1: the distinctive message of biblical, that is Protestant Christianity, is
1:00:07
Speaker 1: this appeal is to your individual conscience. Do you wish
1:00:11
Speaker 1: to be saved from the sin that besets your flesh
1:00:13
Speaker 1: and your mind? Christ is able to save you from that,
1:00:17
Speaker 1: there may be a very high cost for you in
1:00:18
Speaker 1: society and among your own kith and kin as a result.
1:00:22
Speaker 1: If you take that message seriously, that cuts across anything
1:00:24
Speaker 1: we've been discussing about tendencies on a global scale and
1:00:28
Speaker 1: the rise and fall of civilizations.
1:00:31
Speaker 2: Well, all I can say is right now, outside of
1:00:35
Speaker 2: my house, there are grapes growing and the sun is shining,
1:00:38
Speaker 2: and I hope you're very jealous.
1:00:40
Speaker 1: No. I am, but we live here in a rather
1:00:44
Speaker 1: nice part of the Netherlands too. I'm just outside one
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Speaker 1: of these main cities in Holland, you know, on sort
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Speaker 1: of a polder belt at the edge of it. So
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Speaker 1: I have this nice, you know, scene behind me of
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Speaker 1: waterfowl splashing around.
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Speaker 2: The Netherlands is beautiful. There's no doubt about that. When
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Speaker 2: I flew to the UK a week ago, two weeks ago,
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Speaker 2: I first flew into Amsterdam and then to London and
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Speaker 2: I had a window seat. And from the air, Amsterdam
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Speaker 2: is stunning. It's green and there's water everywhere. It's almost
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Speaker 2: like a metaphor because when I flew into London, it
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Speaker 2: was gray and depressing. True.
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Speaker 1: There is that. But actually, the Netherlands and southern England
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Speaker 1: have very similar weather patterns, precipitation and whatever else. You know,
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Speaker 1: the weather just sweeps across the Atlantic. And when my
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Speaker 1: parents were in Bedfordshire, I would call them and ask
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Speaker 1: what the weather was. And I knew I'd have the
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Speaker 1: same in the Netherlands within two hours, you know. So
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Speaker 1: the Dutch deride the British for being grey and rainy. Actually,
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Speaker 1: it's the same weather system.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: Alex, how can I follow your work? Well, at the moment,
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Speaker 1: there isn't pretty much anything in the UK column domain,
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Speaker 1: but whatever there is will arrive on ukcolumn.org and on
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Speaker 1: associated podcast platforms when we resume the series. Look for
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Speaker 1: A Dissident's Guide to the Constitution. What I am doing
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Speaker 1: in dissident land at the moment is running a telegram channel,
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Speaker 1: which is called Eastern Approaches. And the short link for
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Speaker 1: that is t.me slash eastapp.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's been an absolute pleasure. Alex Thompson, thank you
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Speaker 2: for joining me in the trenches.
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Speaker 1: Been a pleasure. Till next time.