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Star Wars: The Mandalorian and Grogu · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 2: Mall shadow Lord, and you're listening to Aggressive Negotiation. We Hello,
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  Speaker 2: crossover episode here with Aggressive Negotiations, which means that I
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  Speaker 2: have with me none other than venerable Jedi Master John Mills.
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  Speaker 2: Because John, we've got more Star Wars to talk about.
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  Speaker 4: How weird is it to have in quick succession, such
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  Speaker 4: quick succession, two crossover episodes to do because of two
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  Speaker 4: new releases from the Star Wars universe. It's between mal
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  Speaker 4: Shadow Lord and the Mandalorian and grogu Like. It's it's
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  Speaker 4: like going from a drought to a rainstorm. It's pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 2: It's feast or famine, and right now we are feasting
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  Speaker 2: like Mal's shadow Ord, you know, it's a new Star
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  Speaker 2: Wars movie, and that just means we have so much
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  Speaker 2: to talk about. But I wanted to hit this right
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  Speaker 2: up front with you because it is something that I'm
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  Speaker 2: honestly already tired of hearing, which is the whole conversation
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  Speaker 2: of this being just like a long episode or seeming
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  Speaker 2: like there's a bunch of strong together episodes, because we
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  Speaker 2: know the question of whether this should be a season
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  Speaker 2: or a movie that they had written a a whole
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  Speaker 2: season of Mandalorian for it was season four. They had
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  Speaker 2: it tying into all the things with ah Sosca and
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  Speaker 2: everything else they're doing, and because of the work stoppage,
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  Speaker 2: because labor disputes, they decided to prioritize The Mandalorian and
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  Speaker 2: make a film instead, And so they talked about this.
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  Speaker 2: They went back and they crafted a film, a story
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  Speaker 2: whole cloth. They didn't go back and just string together
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  Speaker 2: some episodes, And so I just wanted to talk about
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  Speaker 2: that with you, like, do you feel that while you're
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  Speaker 2: watching the movie? Do do you feel like they made
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  Speaker 2: the right choice in taking The Mandalornian to the big screen.
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  Speaker 4: I actually sidestep the whole discussion because, to quote Peter
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  Speaker 4: Griffin from Family Guy, oh my god, who the hell cares?
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  Speaker 4: At the end of the day, whatever process they used,
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  Speaker 4: it's just about whether you enjoyed the final product.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. Who cares? And it you know, to.
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  Speaker 4: Your point, I'm exhausted by a lot of the online stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I made a joke online that this is just warm
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  Speaker 4: up for next year during the fifty at the anniversary
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  Speaker 4: where we're all going to argue about the special editions
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  Speaker 4: again and all of that type of stuff. It's gonna
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  Speaker 4: come back. But I think that there is not a
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  Speaker 4: sense of this being a truncated season and in terms
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  Speaker 4: of the oh, this is four episodes put together charge,
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  Speaker 4: I don't get that sense at all. This is definitely
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  Speaker 4: constructed differently than I'm used to with a Star Wars movie.
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  Speaker 4: There are clearer act breaks than we typically get with everything.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't get the sense that this is just.
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  Speaker 1: A TV movie. I'm doing air quotes.
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  Speaker 4: This does feel like an entirely contained story that sits
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  Speaker 4: on its own. And then the ultimate tell is if
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  Speaker 4: this is just four episodes strung together. I've seen this
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  Speaker 4: movie with family, somebody who's only seen the first two
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  Speaker 4: seasons of the Mandaloria, somebody who's seen all three seasons
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  Speaker 4: of the Mandalorian, and somebody who saw none of the
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  Speaker 4: Mandalorian that's the child that wants nothing to do with
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  Speaker 4: her dad's Star Wars obsession. All three of them had
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  Speaker 4: the same reaction to the movie. So by my metric,
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  Speaker 4: you know, anecdotal, it's accessible to everybody, and something that's
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  Speaker 4: just four episodes strung together is not accessible. If I
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  Speaker 4: show and this is where I'm going to really anger
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  Speaker 4: the nerds. If I show Serenity to a non Firefly fan,
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna just say okay, because it is literally a
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  Speaker 4: series finale that just didn't get the chance to be aired.
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  Speaker 4: That is not the sense here, and that's just where
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  Speaker 4: I'll leave that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a great way to
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  Speaker 2: put it. And I think that actually really coincides exactly
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  Speaker 2: with what Jon Favreau has said about this film is
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  Speaker 2: that one of the reasons they could have made this
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  Speaker 2: film where it was tying way more heavily into everything
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars and everything that they've been doing in the
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  Speaker 2: Mando verse, right, and they said, Look, we don't want
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  Speaker 2: people to feel like they had to have watched all
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  Speaker 2: three seasons of the Disney Plus show. We want people
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  Speaker 2: to be able to come into this film and feel
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  Speaker 2: like they understand the characters, they understand the motivations, and
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  Speaker 2: they can watch these characters go on an adventure, grow
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  Speaker 2: and then be ready to jump into what's next. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that that's the thing that this movie actually
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  Speaker 2: does so well, because it is I would say, incredibly
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  Speaker 2: accessible to those who know very little about Star Wars
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  Speaker 2: or the Mandalorian, but it's also incredibly fun then for
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  Speaker 2: those of us who know all of the things. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there are so many places in this movie
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  Speaker 2: where you can point out. Oh that's a Clone Wars design.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that comes from this, Oh that's from there. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Like there's so many I mean, there's even references in
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  Speaker 2: this thing to stuff we've only really heard of in
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  Speaker 2: the books that they've had coming out, right, So I
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  Speaker 2: mean they're definitely going deep and trying to reward people
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  Speaker 2: who have seen everything. But at the same time, you
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  Speaker 2: want to make the kids happy as well that are
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  Speaker 2: just coming to see this movie. And that's the thing
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  Speaker 2: that to me, my first showing, I'm in there, the
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  Speaker 2: IMAX screen is massive. I'm seeing it in Idaho because
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  Speaker 2: that's where we are at the time, and they have
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  Speaker 2: a really nice IMAX there in Boise. It just is
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  Speaker 2: one of those imaxes that's huge, right, And man, the
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  Speaker 2: thing is packed and the kids are like loving it
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  Speaker 2: and I could hear it. And then we saw it
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  Speaker 2: again my wife for her first time on Saturday, and
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  Speaker 2: same thing. We're a smaller IMAX, but the thing is
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  Speaker 2: jam packed and dude, people are clapping and cheering and
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  Speaker 2: you can hear the kids getting super excited or laughing
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  Speaker 2: at the baby Yoda stuff, and it's just like, that's
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  Speaker 2: the point of this film is to take that generation
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  Speaker 2: that's been watching possibly The Mandalorian or the Clone Wars
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  Speaker 2: or stuff like that, right, and get them excited about
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars on the big screen.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And if you ask me, I think that's the thing
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  Speaker 2: that this movie is doing, is it is reintroducing Star
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  Speaker 2: Wars to a generation who there are kids who haven't
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  Speaker 2: seen a Star Wars movie on the big screen.
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  Speaker 4: I think that there is first and foremost. You know what,
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad you had those experiences, specifically, because this is
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  Speaker 4: where the anecdotal part of your moviegoing experience can derail things.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes.
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  Speaker 4: If I were to go by my anecdotal experiences of
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  Speaker 4: having seen the movie theater, none of my showings were
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  Speaker 4: sold out. Could be time of day I took my
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  Speaker 4: youngest at nine forty five in the morning. I figured
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  Speaker 4: that had to have played into it. But I also
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  Speaker 4: know that the theater that I go to, because I
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  Speaker 4: live in Orlando and Orlando, the big draw is going
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  Speaker 4: to be the AMC theaters at Disney Springs. That's going
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  Speaker 4: to draw people. The movie theater I go to is
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  Speaker 4: not that one. If I went simply by how many
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  Speaker 4: people attended the showings that I saw, I would say, oh,
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  Speaker 4: my gosh, Star Wars is dead. This is the worst.
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, nobody is watching this film. So I'm actually
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  Speaker 4: very happy to hear that. I can tell you how
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  Speaker 4: the people at my showings reacted, that I can tell
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  Speaker 4: you if we go simply by my anecdotal thing. But
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  Speaker 4: again that's anecdotal, and I have to keep that context
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  Speaker 4: that twenty five minutes down the road is the happiest
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  Speaker 4: place on earth with a movie theater that has Dolby
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  Speaker 4: Vision attached to it. Okay, like, obviously the theater I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to is going to be hurting a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: But at the same time, again that brings me back
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  Speaker 4: full circle. I don't really care. It's just about whether
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  Speaker 4: you like the movie. That's that's all that matters. I
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  Speaker 4: don't care how it does in the box office.
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I don't see a dime of that. That doesn't matter
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  Speaker 4: to me. It's just about whether it works or not.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, again anecdotal, But it sounds like you
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  Speaker 4: and I are coming out of it saying, you know,
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  Speaker 4: for non Star Wars fans or casual fans, this seems
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  Speaker 4: like it's working for them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it was fun because you know, We
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  Speaker 2: went and saw the film on Saturday with some more
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  Speaker 2: casual fans, and they, you know, they came out talking
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  Speaker 2: about it and liking it and laughing. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sitting right next to them. They're just kind of laughing
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  Speaker 2: at all the right places, right, you know, they're they're
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  Speaker 2: they're really seemingly into the film. And and so, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think the question I asked you is like, is
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  Speaker 2: this the right choice to bring it to the big screen?
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  Speaker 2: Bring Mando and Grogu to the big screen? And to me,
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  Speaker 2: I think in a sense that it is the right
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  Speaker 2: choice because it it look when the Mandalorian came out,
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  Speaker 2: it was the thing that kind of galvanized fans back
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  Speaker 2: into Star Wars after the sequel trilogy. It was the
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  Speaker 2: thing that people rallied around.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But it also, again, this is the Star Wars that
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  Speaker 2: many kids grew up with, right. You know, those seven
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  Speaker 2: year olds again may have never seen a Star Wars
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  Speaker 2: movie on the big screen, but they grew up watching
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  Speaker 2: Mando and Grogu on Disney Plus and they love them,
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  Speaker 2: and so to give them that on the big screen
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  Speaker 2: I think is the right choice.
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  Speaker 4: I Mean, the thing is that what people need to
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  Speaker 4: keep in mind as context as well, is it feels
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  Speaker 4: like we're drifting back toward movie going again.
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  Speaker 1: I hope we are.
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  Speaker 4: Indications are I've been going to more movies than I
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  Speaker 4: have in years because my kids are going to movies.
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  Speaker 4: Chip off the old block, I guess, And I can
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  Speaker 4: tell you that I think that it would be so
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  Speaker 4: interesting to find a way to go to the branching
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  Speaker 4: timeline where twenty twenty and you know what I'm talking
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  Speaker 4: about didn't happen. What does that landscape look like. Did
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  Speaker 4: the momentum of that streaming series carry them to a
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  Speaker 4: movie sooner in the cycle, because I think that was
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  Speaker 4: an inevitability to it, and for people that are complaining
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  Speaker 4: about how long quote unquote it took the movie to
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  Speaker 4: get there. Yeah, it's a weird landscape right now, man,
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  Speaker 4: and people are still figuring out how to operate inside
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  Speaker 4: of it. I think it's the right move just from
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  Speaker 4: the context of and this is gonna be a weird
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  Speaker 4: way to phrase it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a low ritk movie.
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  Speaker 4: If the movie is a misfire, you didn't spend as
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  Speaker 4: much on it as you do on a typical Marvel
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  Speaker 4: movie type of thing. You didn't spend six hundred million
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  Speaker 4: dollars on this. You didn't spend seven hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 4: million dollars on this. You spent what is considered a
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  Speaker 4: modest amount nowadays. The thing has very good chances of
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  Speaker 4: breaking even at a minimum. That's good, that's healthy. If anything,
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  Speaker 4: I hope that it's the right move because it readjusts
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  Speaker 4: expectations and they say, you know what, we can make
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  Speaker 4: a movie for about two hundred million, promote it smartly,
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  Speaker 4: make our money back, keep people interested in things, and
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  Speaker 4: it's a good movie. Cool wins across the board. We're
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  Speaker 4: not trying to change the landscape. We're not trying to
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  Speaker 4: make a once in a lifetime generational event. You can't
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  Speaker 4: predict those things. They come out of nowhere. So this
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  Speaker 4: feels like a very smart play. This is almost like
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  Speaker 4: watching a team play moneyball in baseball, where you've got
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  Speaker 4: the things aligned and it's like, you know what, maybe
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  Speaker 4: I'll go to the World Series. Anybody could. But at
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  Speaker 4: the very least I can make the playoffs with this,
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  Speaker 4: and that's good enough because that gives me my puncher's chance.
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  Speaker 4: So again, I hate thinking of it from the business perspective,
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  Speaker 4: But additionally, why would you not lean into Baby Yoda.
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  Speaker 4: I know it's grow, Grow, but Baby Yoda was a
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  Speaker 4: cultural phenomenon. Bringing out a movie with him in it
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  Speaker 4: is a no brainer if you're trying to come back
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  Speaker 4: to the big screen. Hey, remember this really cute thing
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  Speaker 4: you loved that kids love too. Hey, you know it's
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  Speaker 4: family friendly. We're gonna have the cute puppet and there
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  Speaker 4: you go. So, I mean, that's a long winded way
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  Speaker 4: of agreeing with you, but I think you get you
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  Speaker 4: get what I'm getting at there.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean I think you're right in You know, look,
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  Speaker 2: Lucasfilm has had a really rough track record recently with
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars films, right, and even just the fact of
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  Speaker 2: even getting them made. You know, things get announced and
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  Speaker 2: they aren't getting made. And so you know, the idea
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  Speaker 2: that you could then lean into something with two guys
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  Speaker 2: who are getting stuff done at Lucasfilm right and ask
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  Speaker 2: them to produce a film for you that people can
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  Speaker 2: hopefully get excited about and enjoy seeing at the theater,
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  Speaker 2: to remind people that Star Wars on the big screen
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  Speaker 2: isn't dead, right, And I got to ask you about this,
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  Speaker 2: and it'll kind of lead us into the first other
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  Speaker 2: topic to talk about that goes along with the plot.
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  Speaker 2: But I wanted to phrase this week it before we
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  Speaker 2: even got to that part of the conversation. I keep
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  Speaker 2: hearing that this has a thread bare plot, that this
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  Speaker 2: barely has a plot, and I wanted to ask you
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  Speaker 2: about that because you know, as we've been doing the
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  Speaker 2: rewatch for Maato season three, we are going to finish that.
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  Speaker 2: Folks don't worry that we promised to finish the season.
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  Speaker 2: And it'll be fun because we can kind of talk
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  Speaker 2: about this in light of you know, and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I think that'd be great. But do you do you
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  Speaker 2: feel like that when you're watching the movie? Do you
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  Speaker 2: just feel like that it has this shoestring plot or
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  Speaker 2: did you did you feel like it had the right
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  Speaker 2: amount of plot for the type of film that it's
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  Speaker 2: trying to be.
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  Speaker 4: That's the key right there, That's the right way to
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  Speaker 4: phrase it, the type of film it's trying to be.
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  Speaker 4: I made a joke with somebody that this is action
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  Speaker 4: film the movie, but that's what I okay. But at
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  Speaker 4: the same time, it has a surprising depth to it,
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  Speaker 4: and it's I think at a surface read you don't
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  Speaker 4: necessarily get it. It's understood in retrospect because I remember
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  Speaker 4: coming out of the showing I watched first Night with
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  Speaker 4: Imax was I sat with it and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I know, I enjoyed this. I know I had a
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  Speaker 4: good time with it. But my initial thought was, but
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  Speaker 4: it's not as deep as I'm used to for Star Wars.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: But then as I sort of mused on it, I
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  Speaker 4: was like, oh, well, okay, you know, here's this scene
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  Speaker 4: that's actually pretty deep. Here's this conversation that's actually pretty deep.
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  Speaker 4: I'm the movie's not going to escape without some dings
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  Speaker 4: from me. There are definitely some process errors. There are
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  Speaker 4: definitely some script level errors I would have addressed to
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  Speaker 4: make it a little bit cleaner and a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more direct. I think what people react to. Let me
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  Speaker 4: ask this question to you. Do you think people are
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  Speaker 4: reacting to that this is our first Star Wars movie
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  Speaker 4: without in imperial slash first order level villain. This is,
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  Speaker 4: if anything, the stakes are. They get the imperial stuff
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  Speaker 4: out of the way right off. They're like, we're just
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  Speaker 4: gonna find Yes, you want empire, here's Empire there, the
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  Speaker 4: stormtroopers are there, all that stuff you recognize is there.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to move on and we're gonna talk about
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  Speaker 4: something else now. And it's not what you're used to
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  Speaker 4: seeing as the stakes of a Star Wars movie. Do
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  Speaker 4: you think that's what people are reacting to after years
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  Speaker 4: of complaining that that's what they wanted.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the problem is is this is not
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  Speaker 2: threat level Midnight, you know, and and so I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, honesty, you know, to me, this plays and
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  Speaker 2: somebody on on Twitter said this, so I give them credit,
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  Speaker 2: but that this is basically like the ant Man. What
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  Speaker 2: ant Man is the MCU Mandoin Grogu is to the
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars franchise as films. That's fair and I I
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  Speaker 2: really agree with that because in many ways, this to
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  Speaker 2: me kind of felt like, you know, it's it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like an action adventure movie. It's uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Indiana Jones ish, it's got a little bit of James
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  Speaker 2: Bond into it, you know, and it clearly is just
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  Speaker 2: an action adventure film, like that's what it is. But
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  Speaker 2: I would argue that, yes, the stakes are smaller, but
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  Speaker 2: the story, if you ask me, is more personal in
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  Speaker 2: many ways than we've had in a while. And that's
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  Speaker 2: because this is really tying in. And this is where
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  Speaker 2: I think that if you've watched The Mandalorian as a series,
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  Speaker 2: it makes a lot more sense and it brings a
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  Speaker 2: lot of those themes to light, because you know, Mando's
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: new job is an old job that he's had, but
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: it's also new in the sense that he's still working
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: based as a bounty hunter or a secret agent, whatever
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: you want to say, right, and yet he's doing it
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: exclusively for the New Republic. He's hunting down their most wanted. Right,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: They've got their Deca, Sabac, imperial warlords that they're trying
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: to bring in in, you know, their war on terror.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: And what I love about this though, is that, like
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: you and I have been doing, you know, we're wrapping
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: up Mando season three on aggressive negotiations, and this makes
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: perfect sense in light of where the series has taken
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: that character. Right, Din started out as the bounty hunter
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: who didn't care who he was taking in or you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: what their story was, and now we see him being
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: somebody who's willing to hunt down exclusively the true threats
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: of the galaxy, right, the imperial threat that still exists.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: And why is that the case? Because he's come face
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: to face with mof Gideon and seeing exactly what the
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Empire is capable of still and what they would long
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: to do if they could get back into power, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: that's the last thing he wants, especially in light of
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the fact that he's now a dad, and all of
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: that is predicated on everything that we've seen this character
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: grow towards. And that's the thing that I kind of
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: love about the plot, is that it's moving forward the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: story for these two main characters and what we're going
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: to do in this whole film. Yes it's smaller, but
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: it's about them and their growth. It's not really about
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: the all expanding universe of Star Wars. It's about how
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: the adventures that these characters are going are helping them
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: grow one step after another, and this is another stepping
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: stone in their growth. And it starts immediately in this
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: film with us realizing that Mando's job is new and
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: old at the same time.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Well, the element of child endangerment remains, that's for sure,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: because you know that's a going thread with the Mandalorian,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: but I think that there is a like the thing
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: that works well is the fact that this is about
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: a personal journey and I think it is, I'll cop
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: to it. It was disorienting to me because there wasn't
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: a big super weapon we were trying to stop. There
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: wasn't a resurrected emperor we were trying to stop. There
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: wasn't the Death Star plans we were trying to get.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: There was like there if anything in its bones. It
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: reminded me a bit of Solo in the sense that
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: at the end he says, oh, I don't work for
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: the New Republic, and you know, Sigourney Weaver's character, you know,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: says sure, you don't. You know, Like there's that whole
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: thing of Like it's when he says to Kira in Solo,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: I'm not the good guy, and she goes, yes, you are,
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: and Mando is still denying that he's part of the
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: New Republic.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's like, sure, okay, whatever.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Like that's that's growth in and of itself, even within
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: the structure of the film itself. I think the one
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: thing that winds up being difficult for audiences is the
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: fact that your main character you can't see his face
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: through the majority of the film, and we as human
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: beings very much look for visual cues for how to
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: feel and how to react to things. I would ask you,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: should they have taken the helmet off more than once,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: even if he's alone, so that we could at least
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: get more face time with the Mandalorian throughout the course
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: of the film. Do you think that would have been
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: something that would have been wiser to do.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it is an interesting question, and maybe
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: it is just me, but I think it works for me,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: and partially to me, that the job that all three
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: of them do in bringing this character to life works
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: in a way where just like almost like a droid,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: where I can read the emotion, I could do the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: same thing with Mando, And I think that's the beauty
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: of Star Wars is it's taught us to be able
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: to layer into the character the emotion that they should
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: be having, just from movement, just from a tone of voice,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: just from you know, and and and so for me,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: you know, it works. I don't really have an issue
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: with it. You know, I don't know if you feel
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: the same way, but you know, even just whether with
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the series itself, you know, the helmet comes off very
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: seldomly in that show, and it never hurt my enjoyment
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: of the series personally.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: I I'm not coming down on either side. I'm more,
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: I guess, more traditional in the sense that I would
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: have given like one more scene whereas Helmets off and
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: he's either calling somebody or recording a like a captain's
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: log sort of thing. Whereas Helmets off and he's he
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: has a scene where he reveals his deepest fears about
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: raising Grogu or something like that. I think that would
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: have been a good scene to have. But again that's
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: me rewriting the movie, and it's like, I'm not in
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: that business. That's just sort of throwing it out there
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: as maybe there was room for a scene like that,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: But what do I know, Because again, those three people
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: who saw the movie with me, they reacted fine, they
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: didn't have an issue with it, so I can go
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: pound sand that's a personal taste, and I'm like, Okay,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: well it didn't matter to them, doesn't matter to me,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: then that's fine.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. And I think that's the thing too
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: that we I have to keep coming back to, right
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: that if we want Star Wars to survive, we have
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: to find a way to do the thing that another
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Star franchise isn't doing very well, which is to bring
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: in new fans. And again, this is the thing that
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: kids grew up with, you know, the seven year olds,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: this is their Star Wars, Yes, And so allowing them
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: to experience that Star Wars on the big screen, I
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: think is important for them to say, oh wow, this
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: can exist on at the movie theater. This isn't special
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: exactly exactly. And and I think you know, we've talked
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: about this many times, and we've I'm guilty of it, right,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: of being super precious with the Star Wars, you know. Yeah,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of the thing too. If
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: we learned anything from from George Lucas, it should be
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: don't be precious with this thing. It's made for kids.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: It's meant for kids, and.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Or the kid inside exact inside.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: And which is one of the reasons I think both
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: you and I have continued to respond to it because
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: we don't need it to be the deepest, darkest thing ever, right.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: And I'm glad I got and Or, I love and Or,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: But it's like I don't need all my stores to
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: be that. I think that's the beauty of what we're
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: kind of seeing recently. We just had mall come out
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: that's a completely different type of Star Wars than this, right,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you know, it's darker and grittier in many ways, a
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: lot like and Or with the themes it's playing with
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: the violence, you get the type of stuff that we're
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: dealing with emotionally, with the characters and the and the
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the just the idea of like talking about revenge all
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: the time anyway, you know, and then you know, you
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: get this and it's a movie. And I think this
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: is the thing that I came away from this film,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: and this film is Lucasian through and through. And the
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: reason that is is because this is a movie that
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: brings us back to George Lucas's first and foremost theme
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: in Star Wars. It's fatherhood and mentorship and Dinn telling
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Rogu that the old protect the young and the young
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: protect the old. This is the way. And in fact,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: this movie actually even connects all the way back. My
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: wife and I before she went and saw the film,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: we got a chance to watch the Clone Wars movie
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: together and it was amazing how Dave's first worked with
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: George in that film, where Anakin is learning that to
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: be a teacher for Ahska is a privilege to pass
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: on what he's learned earned right, Obi Wan's trying to
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: get him to understand, No, it's a privilege to pass
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: on to what you've learned to the next generation. And
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: that's exactly what Din has been doing this whole movie, right,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: and the whole series.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: He's slowly teaching Grogu how to survive in this big universe.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: In fact, you know, as we've been talking about season
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: three on aggressive negotiations, it's one of the things we're
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: watching him do, right. He's explaining things to Grogu about
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: how things work in a starship and figuring out where
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: you are and all this stuff. And it's like he
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: knows that Grogu is going to outlive him long after
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: he's gone, and so what does he need to do
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: as a good father and a good mentor to this kid.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: He needs to be able to teach him to survive
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: on his own. And in this movie again, is all
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: about actually what it means to be a good father
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: as opposed to all the crappy fathers we've seen in
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Star Wars, you know, and I absolutely adore that it
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: is celebrating, you know, right before we hit Father's Day,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: it is so celebrating what it means to be a
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: good dad, whether you're a biological dad or an adoptive dad.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: I can tell you that what really resonated and hit
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: differently was the the moment on the sequence on now
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Hudda where Grogu is caring for him. The kid, who
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: has never watched a moment of the Mandalorian was crying
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: openly in the theater, and you know, to to borrow
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: her words, she said, I knew they weren't going to
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: kill him, but still it really affected me. And I'm
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: sitting there with my kid, and my kid is reacting
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: that way, you know. Of course, my follow up comment was,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: so remember if something happens to me, you got to
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: help out right. That's that's the message of.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Which you live in Florida. So that's easy to build.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Oh well, trust me, the insects scene. Nobody in Florida
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: blinked at that one. The Insects land. Yeah, he was
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: laying there for like two seconds. What do you expect
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: from going exactly? He's like he didn't have a snake in.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: His arm or please whatever, a gator didn't eat him.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: But I think that.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: It is it is emotionally resonant what it does. Now,
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: I think that What's beautiful as well, and a friend
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: of ours mutual of ours, Yancey, pointed this out that
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: what's interesting about the film is it is called the
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Mandalorian and Grogu and the Mandalorian. At one point it
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: does flip and it becomes Grogu's story. Grogu is demonstrating
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: that he's grown, that he's figured out how to survive,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: that he's learned all of the lessons from his dad.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: And that's one of the things where I think it's
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: very subtle. And sometimes I think audiences, or rather not
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: all audiences, but specific subsets of audiences wind ups unconsciously
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: pushing back because they want what the message is told
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: to them instead of shown. And I think that this
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: film does a very good job of showing what it's
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: trying to say. Again, there are things that I think
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: this film could have done better, but when it comes
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: to that moment in specific, it did it very well.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: I got it, and it had a very emotional moment.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, for me, when he sees Ianzellin's ship going
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: off and he thinks Grogu is on it and.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: He just says goodbye kid.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Well, he's running through like Rambo and knock androids off
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: to buy them time, and the mute like loud what
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: you know. Gornson's score is just fantastic and really feeling
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: that emotional swell, and then when he falls and Grogu
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: shows up to save him, and then we have that
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: whole sequence with him like it's It's a movie that
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: kind of blows my mind in that respect because there
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: is a single human face on the screen and it
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: tells its own little story without any dialogue until Grogu
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: meets GATORI. And that's amazing. How many summer movies do
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: you see where they take that amount of time and
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: have only visuals and music that if you want to
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: use the term Lucasian, that's a George lucas thing. It's
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: a visual medium, folks. And I think that specific moment
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: was beautiful because of that.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, this movie, it what it
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: is all about is a father teaching his son how
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: to learn to take responsibility in the world in which
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: he lives and how to do all the things he
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: needs to do to survive.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: He he's you know again, like we've seen very few
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: good fathers in Star Wars. Bail organa one of them,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: but other than that, can't really think of any other
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: good fathers.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: And so you know, dinn uh, you know it. It's
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: it's hard to see your kid grow up, right, there's
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: a point part of you that And we even see
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: that right at the beginning of the film where where
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Din is on the razorcrest and he's like, don't touch
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: any of the buttons, sit down and be quiet, basically,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: you know. And and by the end of the film,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: he's realizing, no, I need to I need to be
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: able to teach him the things that are are are
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: are going to actually help him be the things that
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: can go away from me. It's the same. And you know,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I know you've experienced this with a couple of your kids, right,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: and I've seen other people do. It's like, when you're
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: teaching your kid how to drive, you're doing the thing
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: that's gonna help them take that. You away from that,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: like them away from me.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: You know, trust me, Den, Jaron did it better. He
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: handled that better. So I'll just I'll come for you
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: on that one.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: But look, I think Den in the movie, he's realizing
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: that even though it is hard to see his son
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: growing up, he needs to be challenged. He needs to
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: let go a little bit, he needs to train Grogu
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: even more. And I think, you know, another Lucasian aspect
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: of this film, especially when in the aspect of fatherhood,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: is really you can George always said you could go
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: through pick up a copy somewhere of George lucas interviews.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Read those original interviews. George always talked about that Star
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Wars is the antidote to the cynicism of the films
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: of the seventies, the culture of the seventies.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Right, oh, very clearly, very clearly.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: And so the whole point of Star Wars then was
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: to inspire the next generation through myths and legend like storytelling,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: to reinforce good morals and messages and meanings to kids
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: through an entertaining story. And in the end, the Mandalorian
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: and Grogod is the antidote to so much of the
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: cynicism that has just continue to creep back into our society.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: And because it's celebrating what it means to be a
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: good man, what it means to be a good father,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: and what it means to train up a child in
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: the way they should go so when they're old, they
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: don't depart from it. That's what is happening in this film,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: and I think that's what so many people are kind
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: of missing about the beauty of this movie because they're
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: not paying attention to the small Again, you mentioned it.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: You're not used to Star Wars telling a completely character
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: driven story that is so tied to only two characters,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: and yet that's what this one is doing. And I
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: think it's doing it superbly because no, we're not trying
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: to just have the characters stay in a box. This
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: movie is pushing the r two main characters forward, and
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: denn is the first one that we've just been talking about.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Well, I think what's also interesting is having Rada be
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: a relatable figure talking about that very connection. You know,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not my father. My father was a bad person.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be like him, but telling it
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: in such a way that I mean, look, I really
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: want to break this down from this perspective that so
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: much of this movie is just bonkers.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: It's insane.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: You have a big death match, that's the chess game
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: on the falcon.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Jerk come to life.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: You have you have you know, you have grogu on
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: now Huddah. Even discovering that beautiful grove, and like I
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: said this to one of my kids, you have this
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: moment where Grogu, you know, Mando is dying, Grogu's trying
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: to care for him. He's alone on this world. He's
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: very tiny, and he walks out into this grove one day.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: We see him later meditating in it, and there's almost
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: this lesson that even in the big scary world, there
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: are places of beauty and rest, and he comes out
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: on this beautiful grove that has beautiful flowers and a
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: log that you can sit on and a place of peace.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: So to your point, baked into this very thing is
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: all of that type of stuff. Again, there are process
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: errors here, there are there are things that don't quite
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: work as well as they could, But those little moments
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: are things that you can take out of the film
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: that do capture that original spirit. And additionally, and I
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: know I'm going off on a little bit of a
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: tangent because thinking of Rada makes me think of this.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: If you had told if you took a time.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: Machine and you you went back to me in nineteen
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: eighty three and you said, like that job of the
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: Hut guy, right, and I'd be like, oh yeah, that's
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: that's really cool. How would you like to see three
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: of them in a match to the death wrestling over
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: a pit that has a giant snake over it.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I feel like get out.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: No, really like that that aspect of the movie as
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: well of the feeling of being a kid playing in
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: your toy chest.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: It was one of the things that with a Book
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: of Boba Fett, especially on the rewatch, that I that
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: made me like it overall was seeing somebody riding a
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: rank corps through the streets of a Tatooine town while
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: a gunfight's going on. Is you know, that's like, hey, hey,
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: ten year old you you thought this up, didn't you know?
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, yeah, I kind of did. That's really cool.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: Sorry that but that that that I think plugs into
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: the whole thing about like that that why it can
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: work on those levels.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I I I really agree with you on that.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: And you know, I think I would say, you know,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: the criticism I've I've heard is that, you know, Grogu
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: doesn't really have a lot of growth, And I think
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Grogu's growth in this this movie is they actually do
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: let the character grow. He is coming into his own right,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: he actually has his own adventure. He has to take
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: on the responsibility of saving his dad all by himself.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: You know, we even see from the beginning of the
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: film that he's more a part of Mando's plans when
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: it especially you know, when we see them rescuing Rata. Right,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: there's things that Grogu can do now that, of course
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Mandu could never do because he's not that small. He's
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: being taught how to, you know, go into battle and
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: be ready for it. You know, he has he's being
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: asked by his dad his opinion on things. His dad
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: is helping teaching him decision making. That's what that whole
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: discussion about is like do we run or do we fight?
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: You know, And then in the end, the beauty of
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Mando teaching him how to fly, like he's taking responsibility
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: and realizing I actually made a mistake earlier when I
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: didn't show him how all this worked, because if that
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: had happened, it would have been easier to get away,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: you know. And at the same time, it's also that
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: scary thing because you're teaching your kid the very thing
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: that they're gonna they're gonna know how to now be
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: away from you. They're going to be more free to
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: be away from you because they have the skills to survive.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: And I think that was the real beauty of that
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: whole seat Quins.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: And the other thing I was thinking is just like
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: that that whole part where he's just sitting there and
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: meditating it let you know that his time with Luke,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: he've learned a lot. We can see all that he
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: learned with the ways that he's using the force. Now again,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: he's also grown in that aspect of his ability to
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: control the force and use the force. And that again
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: it's like people are saying like, oh, these characters don't
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: really grow. It's like, no, this this this movie took
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: literally everything that happened in the first three seasons of
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Mando and then allowed the characters to utilize all of
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: them and to move forward. And on top of that
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: all of that, he's very close to almost talking, Like
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: there are moments where he almost says certain words, and
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: it's like, so we can actually see that the character
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: is progressing.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, there's also the entire thing
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: of doing it in a self contained way. You have
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: to tell it in a chunk that again, the casuals
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: and the people who never watched it can get what's
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: going on. And Grogu has a definite arc through this film.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Is it a huge arc? Is it Luke suddenly realizing
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: he's the son of Anakin Skywalker and he has a
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: lightsaber now which he never uses, and he blows up
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: the death start no again. It's a smaller stake sort
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: of movie. It's a very personal stake sort of movie.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: While at the same time, if you really want to
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: do it, if you really want to read more into it,
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: you have an aspect from Lucas's own thing that he
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: wanted to explore in his sequel trilogy about the crime
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: syndicates and the Republic having trouble controlling them and working
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: with them and having to take action against them like
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: that carries over. I see that as a very clear
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: sort of Okay, well, we didn't get to do Lucas's
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: sequel trilogy over here, so we're gonna start doing aspects
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: of it here. I see that with mal shadow Lord.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: I see that with this this idea that the Republic
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: isn't fighting the Empire, it's trying to tame the galaxy,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: and it's trying to get those sorts of things aligned.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: You have the Huts, you have the crime syndicates that
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: they're trying to deal with, which again echo of Solo
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: the crime syndicates. It's saying, like, I think that this
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: movie is important in terms of Star Wars on screen
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: lore because it's trying to say there are other enemies
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: we're allowed to have. It doesn't just need to be
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: the next Moth with a super weapon or a cloning
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: technology or anything like that. It's okay to have a
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: different type of villain.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think there's a beauty in that too,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: And I'm so glad that you mentioned it, because that's
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: another theme that I actually picked up in the film.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: And it's small, but it's totally there, which is that,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: you know, there's the whole point that Colonel Ward makes
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: that they have been cultivating this relationship with the Huts
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: for a long time New Republic Security, and yet it's
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: like the lesson is a scorpion is always going to
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: be a scorpion. Yeah, and that's the that's the point.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: And and and so that lesson of like who do
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: we trust and who are we going to work with
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: and why? I mean, you know, that's a galaxy spanning question.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: That's a a real world question that you know, we've
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: been dealing with for thousands of years as human beings, right,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: you know, And I think the lesson kind of becomes
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: that when somebody shows you who they are, believe it right.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: And and we have that whole moment where they're walking
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: into now Huda the first time and den Is telling
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Grogu the huts have been a part of the crime
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: syndicates for thousands of years, and so when they show
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: you who you are, who they are, believe it right.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: And so the fact that the New Republic is trying
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: to cultivate these relationships to suss out the imperials, it's like, well,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: you know, you're using one scorpion to try and bite
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: another scorpion, but you're still gonna end up bit by somebody.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: And here, you know, we just get lucky in the
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: story in the sense that Mando can kind of see
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: through the bs and allows them to kind of navigate
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: around it. And so I just think, you know, I
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: love that you bring that up, because again, that's another
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: wonderful little theme in the film, and it's it's like,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: if you're not paying attention, you're probably gonna miss it,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: but it's one hundred percent there. And I think it's again,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: it's more of one of those things, and you put
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: this so beautifully. They're just showing so many things and
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: hoping that you're a smart enough audience to be able
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: to pick it up.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: Well, I think that what's great is that it's not
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: so much about hoping you're a smart enough audience. It's
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: about giving you enough entertainment that if you want to
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: sit there and dig at it you can, or if
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: you just want to watch the interesting explosions and everything,
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: you can.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Like that.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: That's where I'll give the movie a lot of credit,
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: is that you can look at this just as eye candy,
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: and you can look at it as oh, wow, look
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: there's three huts wrestling to the death, while yeah, the
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: Mandalorian is in a death match with another guy. Well, like,
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: you have three fights to the death going on, and
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: you have three different ways to resolve it, and it's
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: like up to and including Grogu Taming the Beast basically
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: with love. He has a villain coming to him and
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: his solution is just to hey, we're friends, right, and
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: like talk them down and like I have a moment
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: of peace in the middle of all of this stuff
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: going on, which is interesting in and of itself. You
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: have three situations in three different ways of dealing with it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: But at the end of.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: It, you know, we're sitting here, we're talking about this
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: deeper stuff because we're that's how we're wired. Yeah, we're
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: going toward that part of it. But if I want
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: to turn off my brain and just watch a bunch
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: of cool.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Action sequences, I can agreed.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it works that way too. It's just it's
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: just a ton of fun. And I really like in
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: that aspect, turning it on its head and saying good grief,
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: looking at the fact that this is all so wild
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: and there are times where whether it's Pedro Pascal, Latif
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: Prouder or Brendan Wayne, they're the only human there Like
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: this is this is such a a like an escalation
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: of the idea of how much do I need?
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: That's real, how much do I not?
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: And that also speaks into now James Cameron, of course
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: has keeped all of the praise and all of the
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: attention with Avatar rightly, So I think Avatar is a
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: great achievement. I'm not taking anything away from the Avatar films.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: But here's another movie where I'm looking at things and
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: it's like this that the only real thing there is
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: a guy in a Mandalorian suit spinning around swinging it stuff.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah cool.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: I mean it's basically at certain points it's basically an
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: animated movie. And it's like, but I don't sit there
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: and say, oh, well, that's minions.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I look at it. I don't even think about it
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: being animated.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: Droids walking through now huddah while a puppet's.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Looking at them.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and not.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: Once do I go oh yeah, oh yeah, Like I
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: have to think about it in retrospect. I'm like, man,
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: there's nothing real there. That's wild, and the audience signs
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: up for it and goes along with it to the
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: point where they're cheering and clapping like that's that's wild.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: It's such an abstract moment.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think you mentioning all that stuff, you know.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I like the creatures and the locations in this film,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: or just to me, you know, it's so well done.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I love all of the uses of every single type
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: of technology to bring these creatures together, from ZGI to
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: stop motion to puppetry, everything that they can utilize under
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: the Sun in filmmaking. They're utilizing this movie, and I
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: just I love the way it all works together because
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: that's the way George did it right, you know, like
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: in the original trilogy, yes, even in the prequel Trili,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: you know, all of this stuff, you know. I love
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: the fact that we're seeing now Hudda and live action.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: You know, we're we're you know, getting things that have
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: only been mentioned in books like the droid Gotra, you know,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: which was in the book Tarkan, and then in the
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: book Most Wanted we're seeing dragon snakes and live action
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: to Jarrek monsters and a new planet like Shikari, which
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: is like this wonderful mixture of like Brooklyn and Gotham
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: and Blade Runner twenty forty nine all together.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Can I just say, really quick, one of.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: The most beautiful things that I loved. I have seen
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: it more than once, but even in the first showing
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: that I absolutely loved. That was such a testament to
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: how far the thinking has gone with CG and backgrounds
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that. Is on Shakhari, the city, there's
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: stuff in the background where there's you know, stuff that's light,
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: it's lit up at night and you see a bunch
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: of insects floating around the lights, which is a detail
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: that would not have been thought of ten twenty thirty
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: years ago. And to me, that's that that shows such
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: a level of thought and care that's put into it
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: because it sells the environment so much. And looking at Shakari,
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go out on a limb. Don't come
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: for me here. But there are aspects of it where
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: I look at it and I say, I kind of
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: wish Corrus looked like this in the prequels, honestly, like
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: when they went down the lower level, would I would
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: have liked this more because that set was a little
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: bit lacking in episode two. So bar but hey, you know,
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: I think even Lucas himself would admit it's like, well,
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: this is y you know, that's what we can do
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: in two thousand and two.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Well and it You know what this actually reminds me
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: of is you remember the Planet and the Obi Wan
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Kenobi show. This is what they were going the same thing,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: but they couldn't.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: Get Yes, I thought the same thing, and it made
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: me mad all over again because of like saying, you
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: could have done this, COVID didn't mean anything. You could
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: have layered people on. You could hate this happens exactly.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: Is it not fair to wait this long to see this?
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, yep, so frustrating. No, it's wonderful.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to you a lot. I mean,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: we got to talk about the fun friends that we
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: get in this show and rad of the Hut being back.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: My wife turned to me because you know, she had
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: seen the trailers and stuff, but she doesn't keep up
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: with it like you and I do, so she didn't
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: realize and we had just watched the Clone Wars movie.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: So when he comes on the screen the first time
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: where they talk about him and they showed a little picture,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: she looked at me and was like giving me the
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: like is that is that what I think it is?
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: And I was like, uh huh, and she just ate
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: it up. And man, I loved. Like we talked about earlier,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: that the fact that they utilize this character as a juxtaposition,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: you know, his growing up versus what Rogu's experiencing, right,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: and that you know, he has had to make the
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: decision to not want to be like his father, whereas
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: he keeps encouraging Grogo to basically be like his father,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: and I just I mean Jeremy Allen White. I thought
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: did a fantastic job with the voice. I love the character.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I thought the design work was phenomenal with him, and
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I want more of this character. I hope
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: that he like, can you imagine him getting to see
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Ahsoka and meet Ahsoka again?
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: That would be that would be super cool. I think
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: that the I agree with you about Rada. It leads
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: to one of my process errors with the script in
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: the film as a whole, in that I think that
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: you could have compressed Mando's first meeting with him into
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: his second meeting, so that it was one scene of
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: dialogue as opposed to two separate ones separated by so much.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: But with Rada, the thing that pulled the rug out
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: from underneath my feet was that he wound up joining
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: the New Republic at the end, I'm like, oh, I
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: want to see that show. That's interesting to me. But also,
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: my ten year old has absolutely no clue, and not
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: no clue. She's seen the.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Clone Wars all of it, but she doesn't really remember Roda.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: Rod only pops up in that one instance, and when
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: Rada came up on screen as the baby hologram.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: I heard this ten year old go oh, he's so cute.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: He's as cute as baby Yoda. I was like, that
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: was slick man.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: That was really a little stinky.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a little stinky up on screen. But I think
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: maybe what some fans might be reacting to, let me
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: get your thought on this, what some fans might be
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: reacting to, and something that fills me with glee is
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: there is an aspect of this movie that feels like
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: Dave Filoni flexing and saying, I dare you to ignore
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: the animated series from here on out. I dare you
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: not to watch those things anymore. We got zeb We've
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: got Rada, We've got so many things from the animated
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: series worked in to this that it's just like it's
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: almost like he's defiantly saying you have to watch them.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: You can't ignore them anymore.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Guys.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: They are legit story points that tie into this thing.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: Whereas if you were to go back to the first
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: batch of movies that we got from the Disney era,
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: they didn't necessarily want to acknowledge the prequels or the
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: animated series. It was sort of, oh, that's a separate thing.
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: We're not going to really acknowledge them. I found it
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: refreshing that it treated these elements as oh, no, no, no, no,
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: this is all part of it.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with more. I'm so glad you said
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: that because I absolutely think that's true and it look,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: this is the beauty that you know, they they talked
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: about and have you know, watched a little bit of
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Dave and John talking and John specifically. You know, we
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: weren't going to tie in too heavily, but you know,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: we're going to use things that have been done. We're
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: gonna make them main characters. Though raw of the Hut.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: He's gonna be a main character. Zeb he's a main character.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: It's not just a cameo. He's Mando's partner in the film.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Like you know, he is the straight man, well maybe
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: not the straight man, but like he's an actual character
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: who's a pivotal part of the story and in the
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: relationship that you know, Mando has with the New Republic.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: And I really loved that we got to see that
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: character because you know, our whole experience with him in
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Rebels it was such a wonderful experience, and so to
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: kind of see him want to continue that fight and
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: be part of you know, the rebellion ended, but making
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: sure that all that he had fought for exactly what
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Colonel Ward says, we were trying to prevent another war.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: That's what we're doing here, and that makes sense to
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: see Zeb want to be a part of that. And
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: you know, if anything, I just wish we could have
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: gotten even more of him, because it's wonderful to have
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: him brought to live action. And I know he's still
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: a CG character, but I thought they did a fantastic
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: job with the look and the feel of him as
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: a character, and Steve Bloom of course being back to
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: voice him. It's like the transition is seamless.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: Absolutely seamless. You know how I feel about Zeb more
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: Zeb all the time. I'm happy with it.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: You mentioned, you know, the CG, and I think that
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: Zeb is fully realized, beautiful. I think that Rada's fully
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: realized and beautiful. You know you mentioned earlier the blend
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: of all of the different effects. You know, I'm going
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: to ask the difficult question here. Do you think that
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: all of the effects were as successful as they should
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: have been For Star Wars's first big screen outing in
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: this long I know my opinion on it, I'm curious
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: as to your opinion on it.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: I will say, in all honesty, I did not have
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: any moments that so completely pulled me out of the
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: film that it ruined the experience for me. And I
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: think that's important. I think the effects were mostly consistent,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: which is exactly what you need in a film, right
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: You need to pick a consistency level and just stay
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: at that, and I think that they did that for
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: the most part. I think here and there, there's a
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: couple of little moments, you know, maybe the sequence on
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: the beach, you know, or even you know, I've seen
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: the movie four times now, so like flying through Shakhari,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: you know, is is it perfect? I don't know it.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: But it felt like to me that they edited around
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: most of what could be considered kind of like a
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: you know, not the world's best CGI ever. I I really,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: you know me, I'm not I'm not afraid to criticize
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: what I think to be bad CGI. But really, for
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: the most part in this film, it felt consistent enough
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: that it didn't bother me. If there was a quick
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: moment of not consistency, if that makes.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: Sense, oh, not bother. There were definitely things though that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: stuck out to me. There was one shot in particular
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: where the twins are in their layer and it looked
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: like a video game cutscene that got under my skin
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: for whatever reason. When he blows up the tunnel, he
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: throws it, you know, bomb up and he collapses the tunnel.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: There was some dodgy work in that. It cut away
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: pretty quick, but it was there. And there were a
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: couple of shots the weirdest thing in the world to me,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: where the stars didn't look right and that got under
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: my skin really bad for some reason.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, that would actually be the only thing that I
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: truly noticed, and I wondered if it was like they
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: were trying to go for the fact that we're we're
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: focused on the ship coming in and so that the stars.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: But in Star Wars, the stars are always clear no
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: matter what you're focused on.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: So it was just yeah, yeah, there were a couple
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: of shots where the stars were like I was like, okay,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: this is not right. But again, that's a nippicky thing.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: Absolutely nobody I saw the film with cared that's that's
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: that's that's the thing is like we we lose focus
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: sometimes I think on exactly how particular we can get
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: about things. There were a couple of comps that didn't
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: work right, there were a couple of things that did.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: But if we're dead honest with ourselves, if we go
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: back to the prequels, there's very much a tradition in
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: Star Wars of good enough is good enough. You go
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: back to the original return of the Jedi band scene,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: there's even behind the scenes footage of people fretting about
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: size snoodles talking and and Lucas himself saying it's it's okay,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: just have her mouth, you know.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah. That's fine, that's fine, let
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: it go that way.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: And then of course when he gets exposed to see
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: CG technology, you know, decades later, he's like, oh, oh no, no, no, no,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: we're gonna redo everything here. But you know, it's okay
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: for some things to be good enough. Where I really
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: want to heat praise for the effects is the stop
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: motion work is phenomenal. I love the robot fight. It
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: was terrific. I could tell clearly it was stop motion,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: but it filled me with joy to see it. And
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I haven't been able to pin anybody
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: down on this, but I'm pretty sure GATORI was stop motion,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: and at least scenes of him were stop motion. And
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: I know that the scene of Grogu unwrapping the the cure, yeah,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: that was definitely stop motion. There's no question in my
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: mind that that was stop motion. But it was so
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: beautiful to see it and to be reminded, especially of
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: the fact of how close Phil Tippett came to doing
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: the dinosaurs for Jurassic Park, and again there's an alternate
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: timeline where that happened, and how different was the world
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: sort of thing. But seeing those moments of stop motion
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: in this there's no reason to do it except to
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: do it because you can, and that in and of
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: itself feels very fun well, And.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: I think part of that is the love of the
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: things that Lucas loved, like Jason and the Argonauts and
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: those kind of things, right, And so no, I just
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: could agree with you more. I think when it comes
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: to all of that, it was so well done. It
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: was just enjoyable, and part of it, I think we've
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: just almost lost the love of filmmaking itself, you know.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: I think that's the thing that Lucas and Spielberg and
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Scorsese and Ford Coppola brought back to us and is
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: a love of just the art of filmmaking. It is
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: an art, and so the things that you do to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: bring that to life, the stories to life, is a
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: part of the art, and it's become such a machine
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: in some ways. Yeah, that we forgot to just appreciate
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: the artistic nature of this. And I think to me,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: that's the thing that this movie kind of brought back
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: was the art of filmmaking. That we are going to
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: appreciate the art of filmmaking. And so, speaking of Martin Scorsese,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: we do need to talk quickly about just a couple
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: more friends. You know, Sigourty weavers in the movie as
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: a supporting role here, and you've got Martin Scorsese playing
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Hugo the Ardenian, And I mean, you know, I don't
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: know what are we going to say about Scorsese absolute cinema,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Oh please, What are we.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: Going to say about Scorsese is New York classic, old
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: school New Yorker comes through no matter what you do.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: And I think that it's not a giant leap to say, Well,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: John Favreau worked on you know, obviously he worked on
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: the Clone Wars with Felony, but his pathway into live
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: action Star Wars was playing an Ardinian. So is it
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: too far a bridge to cross to say that Martin
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: Scorsese might now make a Star Wars film.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: I hope.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: So let's start that rumor. Martin Scorsese star Wars. Obviously
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: when he worked on The Irishman. He likes technology, he
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: likes advancing film tech. Let's get Martin Scorsese. He can
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: do Hugo a Star Wars story. We can find out
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: how that food stand got built, and maybe get a
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: recipe for that delicious looking sandwich that they created.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, if they don't start selling that at
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Galaxy's Edge, their.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Fools, what are they doing? What are we even doing here?
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Sandwich? Come on, man, that looked.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm dead serious, Like it's rare that a
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: sci fi movie makes something where.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know that, actually, right, he looks good.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: I would eat that. I'm on board. I'm on board.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: No, I thought he was great. And on top of that,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: you know, I thought Sigourdy Weaver just brought this calm presence.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: And what I loved is that she wasn't trying to
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: play you know, the hard ass colonel.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: She's tough, but she's fair. Like I love that moment
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: where you know, Mando has brought back Coin instead of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: bringing back the hut that would lead them to Coin, right,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: And at the end of the conversation, she's just like, Mando,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: good job. You know, it's just there. She just brings
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: this kind of wonderful motherly presence to it that I
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: just really appreciated, and I just it was fun to
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: see s Goourdy Weaver be in this movie. And you know,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: one of the things that I've always appreciated throughout the
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: last few years of what Taylor Sheridan has done in
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: his universe, which is to bring all these stars that
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: we knew and give them a way to shine in
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: ways that we hadn't seen before, like making Harrison Ford
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: a cowboy. Who didn't do that like years ago.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know why now, To be fair, Jon Favreau
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: was the first to do it with cowboys and aliens.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: It's true say there you go.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: So, but I just Weaver was great. You know that
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: she did everything you needed the role to do, and
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: it was it was just fun that I could have
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: her now in Star Wars. She's a part of the
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Star Wars family, which is great.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: You know, I will say, you know with the side
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: characters like hers, and you know, there's Rada, there's these
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: other characters.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: This is the stuff where.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: Coming out of the showing with my youngest, I thought
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: to myself, why is Star Wars publishing a sleep on this?
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: Why am I not getting these stories in book form?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: I would consume these things like like you know, like
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: a Burger King whopper that's tied to the Mandalorian, Like,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: give me some books, man, give me some comic books,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: give me anything tied to the stuff that I'm seeing
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: in this movie.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: I will absolutely just consume it like fast food.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: And I I mean, I'm at a loss because had
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: I any sort of sway over at Lucasfilm, I'd be
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: sitting there pitching that. I'd be like, oh, we got
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: all of these cool characters coming up. Okay, well, let's
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: talk about the adventures of this squadron going around and
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: like bringing geese to the galaxy and what's the story about,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: you know, like working with the huts and the crime syndicates,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: Like let's get that stuff out there, like there's ancillary
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: material to mine here, and I don't know. Am I
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: just a sleep at the wheel? Am I missing it? Like?
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: Is there stuff out there that I haven't seen? I mean,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: you're more plugged in than I am. Is there anything
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: coming out?
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen anything in that way?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Is there a novelization of this movie?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I haven't seen anything close my mind.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because that's the type of thing where it's like, Okay,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: well they'd flesh out some other stuff. Novelizations are supposed
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: to be a big deal.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: I thought, well, And I mean I think that's where
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: you know, with the villains that we have the twins
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: Lord janu in in you know, Embo, even though he's
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: not necessarily a villain, but he's kind of playing one
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: here because he's against our heroes.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: He's whom Lando used to be.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I loved about having Embo here.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: He's the character who's never been confronted with the need
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: to change. He's just say the same thing he's always
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: been what we've seen him in the Clone Wars, and
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: he'll just fight for whatever side pays him enough. And
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: I loved that. I thought that Juck's position was great.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, I loved also bringing back
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: the twins from the Book of Boa Fet. I thought
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: that was great and utilizing them as kind of our
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: main archetypal villains here that are in control of the
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Hut enterprise that you know, Jaba used to have control of.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: And we saw that in the Book of Boba Fet
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: right where they kind of like acquiesced some of their
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: territory to Boba Fett himself. And yet they're now kind
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: of on the throne of now Hudda, which is really interesting.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Of course, now they're dead because they snake food.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: But you know, you know, I gotta ask you a
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: question because with that scene. I talked about it with
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: my kids who saw the movie too. Where did you
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: have any pity for them when they got eaten?
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: Because I did? And I attribute that to the fact
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: that the animation it was so good.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: I mean this cgi it's silly animation, folks. The animation
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: was so good. I believed the fear in their faces.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: I actually felt sympathy for these villainous characters because I
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: saw their faces and I was like, oh, it's about
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: to be really unpleasant for them, Like I felt they're
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: terrible people. They deserve their come up, and it's their
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: own fault all of that stuff. But there's almost like
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: that part of me that I gotta know, did you
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: feel any sympathy for them where you're kind of like, oh,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: that's kind of a crappy way to go.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Just shot them.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just hope that they're not slowly digested over
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: a thousand years.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Well, they're still alive when they go in, right, yeah,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: they be sitting there nose what's happening.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: It's a good question. I don't think I necessarily felt
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: sorry for him, but I did notice what you did,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: which is just the animation with the characters is really
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: well done. And I think that selling the fear and
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: knowing that there's nothing they can do because of the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: type of creature they are, they are relatively helpless, right yeah,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: and which makes it so fascinating that they are these
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: you know, criminal crime lords and how in the world, gosh,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: I kind of want that story. How in the world
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: that they become that, you know, when they seem to
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: be such helpless creatures, you know, all of that. I think,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: you know, just I really enjoyed it, and I and
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: one of the things that you know, I've seen some
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: people kind of complain about with Star Wars, but I
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: thought they did a great job with here. Is that
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: our villains are straight up villains, right, They don't have
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: remorse for their actions, you know. You know, you've got
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: a variety of villains with the Twins who clearly don't
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: care who lives and who dies as long as it's
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: not them. You have Lord Jano, who's the type of
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: villain who he'll turn the moment it's beneficial to him.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: And then you got the other villain, wig Embo, where
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: it's like, whoever pays me enough money is the one
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: I work for, you know. And so I thought that
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: that was kind of interesting to have kind of all
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: three represented in this movie, and I thought they did
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: a good job with that. So looks like just a
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: little bit we mentioned it, John, But the action of
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: the film, because the movie has so much act. I mean,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: this truly is an action adventure film right in the
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: most classic sense, right, And what did you think of
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: I mean from the start where it's basically starts off
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: like a Bond movie, you know, where it's like the
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: first mission that's ending in leading all the way to
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: the very end on nowhu TOA.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: I think the action is really well handled because it
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: knows when to take a breather. And I know I
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: made the joke earlier that it's action seen the movie,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: but to your point, it opens with the action scene
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: and goes into credits. That's another disorienting thing from a
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: Star Wars movie perspective.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Is I have on screen credits.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's weird going to a Star Wars movie and
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: that happens, But then it takes the right amount of
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: breather between each thing, and I think that the nice
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: thing about it is that the action is relentless until
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: it isn't. And the moment where it is not relentless
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: is when Grogu takes his break taking care of the Mandalorian.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: That's our deep breath before we go into the next sequence.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: But this movie has deathmatch creatures getting loose on a planet,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: the Imperial thing to open it up with.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: It has an.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: Aerial dogfight, It has a grudge match with three huts.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: It has you know, running through a jungle Rambo style
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: fighting droids. It has X wing strafing run and actually
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: showing like a flying core for the Republic looking like
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: a fully functional attack group YEP, which is crazy and
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: easily handling you know these other Like again, I think
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: that might be something that people react to, is that
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: we're used to the overwhelming odds of the empire and
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: instead here the Republic has the upper hand. And again
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: it's another book that I want written where it's like, Okay,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: they took these huts out and I walk out of
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: the theater saying, well, oh my gosh, you just destabilize
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: the entire criminal syndicate network.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: What next? What happens now?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: Like is this what triggers the things so that the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: empire is no longer fully functional? Or is this the
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: thing that gives them the disconnect that lets the first
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: order rise? Like that sort of stuff is suddenly playing
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: around in my brain. But again, coming back to the action,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: I think it's I mean, it's feverish, it's relentless in
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: how much action there is, but the simple fact that
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: it's all for the most part clear and never breaks
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: the sense of understanding where I am in a chase
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: scene or in a fight scene, or the orientation of things.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: It never breaks the one eighty rule. It always keeps
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: things oriented properly, especially with that battle over now huddah
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: at the end. Really easy for the space of things
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: to get a little jumbled. It's not perfect, but it's
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: ninety percent there and that's good enough to fully function.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: It's not the muddied mess of.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Start Killer Base.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: I again, I mentioned this when I was at the
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: when I entered this section, Like it starts off like
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: a Bond film, you know, which I thought was great, you.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: Know, including with a skiing moment.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Exactly, and you know, I agree with you, Like the
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: action is so well choreographed for the most part that
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: you truly know where you are and have this understanding
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: of space and everything, which so many movies don't, which
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: really goes to show that. I mean, Favreau is the
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: director here, he understands that stuff. But I look, it
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: comes to all the guys who are working on this
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: that have been doing Star Wars for a long time.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: And Filoni is one of them who learned how to
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: edit from George and so and has been editing and
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: working with edits of Star Wars things longer than anybody
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: else alive, which is crazy other than George Lucas, right,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: And I think that's the thing that that really it
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: just works. The action in the film works, and it's
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: fun and it's vibrant, and I think they just did
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: a really good job with it. And you know, having
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: seen the movie as many times as I have, I've
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: never gotten bored during the action sequences. I'm always enjoying
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: new little moments from them, which is pretty impressive, you know.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: And so and you know, I think what's crazy about
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: this is that, you know, like this cinematographer has worked
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: on Skeleton Crew and the Mandolin Ye Book a Bubba
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: fet so. But I thought that part all looked really
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: well done. And and I mean even just the lighting
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: and when it's really bright outside was actually incredibly well done.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: That the editors he or I thought did a great
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: job with you know, one of the editors worked on
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: Solo Star Wars story as well as the Mandalorian, so
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: they know their Star Wars stuff, which is great. And
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I think the action here was just it
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: felt like Star Wars action, you know, which is its
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: own thing.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: Now, I will I will give you that. Definitely, on
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: the micro level of the editing seen by scene, I
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: think it was very well done overall. On the macro level,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: I this is gonna be overstating it but for a reason,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: I think the two hours twelve minutes is too long.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: I think this movie could have lost. And this is
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: a lot of screen time that I'm talking about here.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: This movie could have trimmed ten to fifteen minutes and
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: I would not have missed it. And that's me being
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: I think, very judicious. There are certain moments where it
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: could have been tightened, and of course that bleeds over
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: into the micro editing stuff. Now in the in the
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: micro editing stuff, it all works in terms of knowing
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: where I am in relation to certain things, But then
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: you know there are certain sacrifices.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: You have to make at that level.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: About well, if you introduce a wipe, I don't need
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: that many cuts of the ship traveling through hyperspace. I
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: can just wipe and I'm there, that's okay. Or I can,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: you know, put a scene in between, like I talked
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: about before, having his conversation with Rada be spread over
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: two scenes where he's able to just walk in in
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: the first one and then the second one.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: He has to break in. That's something that'd be condensed and.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: Fixed a bit, and I think that would have served
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: the purpose toward getting Grogu his arc to his arc
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: within the context of the film quicker. I also don't
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: think I would have ended the same way. If anything,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: I would have ended with the ship going off into
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: hyper space. I'm not saying taking the shot of Grogu
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: out of him pushing the button. I'm talking about that
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: specific shot doesn't wrap up the story for me visually
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: the way that I would want it to. I would
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: have put in another shot. It's as quasi unsatisfying for
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: me as going to the shot of Broomboy at the
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: end of The Last Jedi, where it's like there were
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: a lot of different shots you could have done here,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: that's not the one I would have chosen. Maybe that's nitpicky,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but oh, you know, basically, I'm just
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: trying to be fair in my estimation of it, because
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: I would have beaten up other franchise movies on these
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: same terms.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: I think that.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: There's there's an argument to be made that there are things,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: there are decisions that could have been made that could
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: have made this a quicker tell And if it's ten,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: if it's fifteen minutes, that gets you still do about
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: two hours, but a comfortable two hours and tells the
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: story a little bit quicker, and if we're going to
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: be talking about feeling like a lucasfilm, faster, more intense,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: just condense it just just cut it down to the bone.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: I don't think this was cut to the bone. I
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: think there was still a little fat there.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's interesting. I don't know if I
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: I don't think I feel quite as strongly about it
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: as you. I could since there being some trims here
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: or there, and maybe have this down to two oh five. So,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: you know, as as Billy Joel said, you know, they
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: would cut it down at three oh five, but the
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: two o five here know, is probably good for me.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: I think I loved One of the things I actually
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: liked about the film was remembering Lucas's ship establishing shots.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: You know, you think of a new Hope. There's three
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: different shots of the Millennium Falcon coming into Yavin four base,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: and then there's the final descending shot, you know, and
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I just that just kind of felt like,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's very starbarsy to me. So but
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: I can totally see what your point is, and I
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: think I'm not gonna I don't feel as strongly about
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: it as you.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: Do though, sure, I mean, you know, I mean, the
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: thing is, it's one of those things where I think
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: seeing it more than once in quick succession. I'm sitting
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: there sort of being very very straightforward with that specific
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: crit I think that what surprised me was how well
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: Rada played for me. I didn't expect it to I
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: didn't expect him to have as big a role in
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: it as he did. I would have additionally given more
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: more of an impact to his role.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: I would.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: I know that we have to get him away and
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: get him on too, now, hudda. I I probably would
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: have found a different way to get him there.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: What that is, I don't know.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: I'm like I said, I'm not trying to rewrite the movie.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: It just felt a little bit clunky. But I don't
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: care about it specifically because the kidnapping from Navarro h
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: to set up Grogu putting on his armor and having
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: that moment where he grows and he goes that's really cool.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: I will say that the one thing that made me
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: sad was him going back to Navarro and rest in peace.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Carl Weathers.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, going back to Navarro and not having a moment
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: with the you know, yeah, with him just felt weird.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: Made me sad about it, but I'm also curious but
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: glad that there weren't other Mandalorians interacting with him, be like, hey,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: welcome home like that. That's okay. But it's like it's
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: a you know, it's not a criticism. It's like, okay,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: that was a decision sort of thing.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is how we bring car
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Dune back is you know, unfortunately the High Magistrate has
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: passed away and we need somebody to come in and
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: take the job, and we're going to bring back Marshall
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: Dune to do it. So anyway, got to ask you
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: about the music. Obviously, Star Wars and music go hand
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: in hand because of John Williams, and we've had other
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: people do Star Wars films now, God bless you John
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: Powell and John Powell and Michael Jackino and of course
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: Kevin Kiner.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: How does Ludwig Lawrenson do He's already done the Mandalorian
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: series most of it. Anyway, how does he do with
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: his feature film debut for Star Wars?
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: Oh? I think I mean that's one of the things
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: where I could understand certain fans sort of beating up
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: on it because the score does feel like the show appropriately,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: but it does. It's a Star Wars movie that doesn't
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: have that bomb bast to it. There's no big fanfare
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: at the beginning. Now Solo didn't have it, neither it
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: Rogue one. But there's no big fanfare moment that you're
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: used to having in a Star Wars movie. But in exchange,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: I got I'm always going to call the planet Shakira.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: I can't help it. You have that establishing music you're
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: instead of hips, don't lie?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: What would it be?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: It would be like your Yeah, I don't know your ecliptic,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: don't don't lie.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: Your your equator, don't lie your ecliptic, don't lie whatever.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: But additionally, and I've said, I've gone on record with this,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: no pun intended, I want a twelve inch mix of
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: Rada's music because a minute and a half isn't enough
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: for me on the soundtrack.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: I want I want a.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: Nice, like long mix of that, like a good five
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: six minute mix of that music, because that was fantastic.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: The music's great.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: Is Is there anything that is ground break?
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: This is not Gorenson working on Oppenheimer. This is Gorrenson
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: saying Oh yeah, I've done most of this before. I'm
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: gonna pull it forward and expand it, and so it's
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: very good for what he's doing.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: I think that the beauty of the score is you know,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: and this is the fun part about this is like
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: I listened to it before the film. I always do
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: this for the most part, but then watching the way
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: some of those scenes actually play in the film, like
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: at the beginning where there's the alarm going off that's
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: in the soundtrack, Yeah, but it's also a part of
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: the film and how beautifully that plays. And you know,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: I thought that Gornson did a fantastic job. I think
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: especially the thing that really stands out to me and
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: every time that I've seen the movie, the music utilized
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: for Grogu specifically is wonderful, and I think that it
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: has such a wonderful reminder of the Force theme and
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Yoda's music without being that right, but it just it
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: has those kind of hallmarks, but a younger version of that,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: and I love it. I think the score works like Gangbusters,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: so really well done. Lastly, John, something that as we
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: were talking about what we want to talk about, and
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: you know, you're you're not always somebody to adds something
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: to the outline, which you never pay attention to anyway. No,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: you want to talk about critics versus audience, because you
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: know critics critics have a sixty two percent rating right
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: now Rotten Tomatoes, whereas the the the popcorn meter for fans,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: is it ninety eight percent? Or if we wanted to
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: take the cinema score, which is an ans which is
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: one of the best of in fact, that's the best
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: of the Disney era.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: I think that there is a divide I mean, obviously
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: between critics and fans or movie viewers. I would point
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: to another movie that came out this year that was
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: a quote unquote surprise hit, which is Michael, which I
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: know people who have seen it who said they loved it,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: they want me to go see it, And I'm like, really,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: because the critics absolutely curb stomped that movie, but the
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: audience has loved it and it's become a big hit.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: I in this context, specifically, what's gotten under my skin
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: yet again is that the critic reaction is used as
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: a cudgel to paint the image that the only people
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: who are saying they like this online are fans who
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: are so blind that they can't see past themselves, they
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: can't understand that they don't really like it, Like it's
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: a joke that I have that for some reason, some
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: people still don't at the joke, but somebody will say, oh, hey,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: I really like that. No I'll look at them and
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: I'll say, no, you didn't, and it's a gag because
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: I don't really care. But it's that sort of thing
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: that we've gone into. Additionally, I think the critics are
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: existing in a.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: State of.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: There are now reviewing so many things that there's certain
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: aspects of their perspective that are getting deadened because they're
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: not able to experience as just a normal audience anymore.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: And I think, unfortunately that there are certain people who
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: look at the critical reaction and consider it as permission
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: to feel one way or another and then pile on
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: people for their own opinion about it. I wish everybody
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: would take critical reaction and box office again, I don't
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: make a dime on this, neither do you. The hell
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: do I care what the box office is? It doesn't matter.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: And all of this different stuff that's going on out
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: there where people are like, oh, this is this opening
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: in the Disney era, Oh it used to be the
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: Star Wars.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: Made of blah blah blah blah. Who cares?
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: How many movies have you seen that? Weren't you know,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: Giant Hits Tron legacy technically was a money loser and
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: killed the franchise quote unquote, and then thanks, we got
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: a Jared Leto movie decades later.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: That sucked.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: But seriously, like, why do we as a fan community
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: come together and use critical reaction and box office as
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: some way to argue about a movie?
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: Who the hell? Again?
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: Like Peter Riffers says, who the hell kiz? It doesn't matter.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: All that matters is the product. Oh oh god, people
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: come after me for that. All that matters is what
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: was produced the film. How do you feel about it?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: Did you like it? Did you not? Why?
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: Either way? Leave the rest of it aside. Let's stop
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: talking about that crap.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I misspoke. It wasn't the best cinema score. It's
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: it's a good cinema score for Star Wars movies. There
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: have been some in the Disney era that are better.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, I agree with you, and I think
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: the thing that I was actually and I'm really really
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: disappointed in I am sick and tired of the trades
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: seeking to destroy films before they even come out. Yeah,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: because of their the bad press that they give them
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: in the sense of like, oh, this movie is tracking
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: for this, and we've heard complaints about this, and it's
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: just like they talk about all these things before the
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: they before the public, before the audience actually gets to
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: see it, and it creates and there it can create
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: in their minds this thing that maybe it causes people
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: to not go check out the movie for themselves. And
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, look, there are certain movies I
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: think that you could do that with. I mean, look,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: nobody thinks Showgirls is is this the gem of of
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: you know? And I didn't have to see it to
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: know that it was gonna suck, right, that it wasn't
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: going to be a good movie. Right, But for the
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: most part, by and large, you should just go to
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: check out a movie and see what you think of it,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: you know. And I have just watched the trades with
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: this movie specifically, spend so much time talking bad about
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: everything around the movie, the optics, the marketing, you know,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: the tracking for the film and all this stuff that,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: like you were saying, doesn't matter. What matters is what
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: people think about it, which, as we're sitting right now,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: as we're recording on a Sunday night before Memorial Day,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: the movie is tracking higher than they thought it was
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: going to and why because the audience is liking it
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: and apparently is telling their friends, Hey, you should go
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: see this movie. And you know, I think one of
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  Speaker 2: the things that we're kind of learning in many ways
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  Speaker 2: throughout this process, and I think this year is actually
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: a benchmark for that for the the movie going audience.
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  Speaker 2: We're one. We're seeing theaters do better business. We're seeing
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  Speaker 2: Hollywood make more money because of it, because people are
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: going to films that critics don't like, and yet they're
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  Speaker 2: going back over and over again to see these movies
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  Speaker 2: and they're making more money they thought they were going
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: to make. I think that what we're seeing is is
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: that word of mouth means more than social media these days,
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  Speaker 2: because people have realized that social media isn't real life.
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  Speaker 2: It is bots and people that have been bought by
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: studios telling you what to.
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  Speaker 1: Think, and algorithms being thrown in your face.
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  Speaker 4: I mean exactly, I'll go back to it to your point,
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  Speaker 4: and also tying into an earlier point about this being
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: a relatively safe release. It's okay if it's not groundbreaking,
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  Speaker 4: if it just does what it's supposed to do in
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: terms of box office, which is make its money back
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: plus some. Because of the fact that nobody remembers to
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: this point that Iron Lung by online guy Mark a Plier,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: I saw that with my daughter. Nobody remembers it existed.
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  Speaker 4: It did really well for what it was, made a profit.
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  Speaker 4: It was a good movie.
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  Speaker 1: Hokum.
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  Speaker 4: I saw that Saint Adam Scott movie. Nobody even remembers
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: that came out, and that was, you know, like a
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: month ago or something like that. I really enjoyed it.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: I thought it was great. Told everybody to go see it. Yeh,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: did it work whatever. But you know, tying into your point,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: it really is word of mouth. Now, I think people
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  Speaker 4: actually have disconnected overall, and with good reason to just
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: sort of wait to hear from somebody they know they
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: actually know about a movie because they realize they've been
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  Speaker 4: played by all of this stuff. And to your point
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: about the trades, it's such a it's a mean girl's
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: world man with Hollywood Reporter and Variety and Deadline. It's
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: all just like, oh, look at this all this is
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: a terrible thing. And people pick up on that and
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: they're like, oh, look at this box off its opening
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: for Star Wars and the Disney era. Again, that doesn't
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: tell me whether the movie's any good, just tells me
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: whether it found an.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: Audience or not.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: And you know Megalopolis is one of the greatest disasters
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: in box office cinema in terms of receipts. But there
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: are people out there that like it. You're gonna beat
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: them up for it, are you? Like?
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: No, Like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I know, it's sort of like a feels a little
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: bit like old Man, you know, yells at clouds sort
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: of moment.
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  Speaker 1: But you know that's where I am with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's well said, man, And I think that
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: leads us to just what we're going to rate Star
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: Wars The Mandalorian and Grogu.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, you want me to go first?
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, sir? Wait, all right, I talk first, you
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: talk first?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Please?
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  Speaker 4: No, God, geez, somebody edit that line out of the
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: movie already, please, and also fixed the opening note of
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: the fanfare please. Anyway, this is a movie that I
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: wind up rating generously, and I recognize I'm rating generously
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: I'm coming in at a four if I'm in a
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: grumpy mood. It could go as low as a three
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: if I'm grumpy. But what I recognize is this is
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: a movie that is committed to just being fun and
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: not being monumental as it were, and from a technical perspective,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: with the exception of the editing things that I sort
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: of beat up on a bit. From a technical perspective,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: seeing Phil Tippets studio at work is a joy. Seeing
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: some of the stuff that they pulled off with the
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: CG is a joy. The inconsistency stuff, again, that's always
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: been an issue, but in this era of shipping out
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: to the you know, the overseas lab while everybody else
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: sleeps over in the US and stuff like that, I
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: wish everybody just kept everything in house and just kept
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: it here and so that they could coordinate better. So
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: I wind up landing with a four for this overall,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: because I do enjoy it. I think it's fun. I
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: will watch it again when it's you know, when it's released.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: I'll buy it on home release. If they release it
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: on home release. I hope they release it on home release.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: And I really dug the soundtrack and all of that
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: type of stuff.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: So this is a four for me. What about you,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: I'm right there with you.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: This is a four for me. I think it's a
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: It's just a solid four in the sense that it's
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: never going to go any higher, and it's just a
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: fun movie. And I think, you know, one of the
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: things that I really appreciated about this film is that
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: a lot like Solo, it just had me kind of
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: enjoying and grinning from ear to ear while I was
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: watching it. And is this even on my list of
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: Star Wars things ranked as high as Solo? No, Like,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: you know, this is like mid tier. But that's not
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: It has no reflection on whether I really enjoyed it
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: and had a great time at theater and was just
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: so incredibly happy. As a friend of mine said to
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: me texted me today, I'm so happy to love a
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: Star Wars movie in the theater again, and and and
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: if anything comes of this, if it just helps people
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: love Star Wars in the theater again. Man, it's done
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: its job and I'm so glad that it happened. And
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what comes out next. You know, this,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: this gives me real hope for the fact that you
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: know now that Dave Filoni is in charge of the
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: studio that hopefully we can move forward with creating films
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: in the saga that feel very Star Wars e tell
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: a great story and help us to have all sorts
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: of experiences. You know, Episode three is not a fun film,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: you know. Uh, It's a very heart felt, gut wrenching film.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: But I still love it. You know, we need Star
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: Wars movies. I think of all different shapes and sizes.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: I think you know, I love Solo. You love Solo.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: You know I love Rogue one. You think Rogue One's okay?
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: You know again, hold on, let's open up all of
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: all of But my point I'm saying this is that
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: all of these are different types of films. You know,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: Empire Strikes Back is different than Return of the Jedi.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: Episode one is different than Episode two. You know, like
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: the point is to have some differentiation between these films,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: and I think this is just another example of that.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: And I'm excited. You know, Mall, isn't this Mall's Shadow
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: Lord Flete different type of story than this? And or
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: isn't this That's fine, It's great, And I just my
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: prayer is Honestly, I love Star Wars in the theater
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: and I love being able to go to Star Wars
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: in the theater. I love that people were able to
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: bring their kids to their first Star Wars movie in
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: the theater, and it happened to be this one because
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: I just I had so many kids in my theaters
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: just like squeaming with joy at the at the silly
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: things that you know Grogu is doing. And man, that
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: just warmed my heart the same way you watching this
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: with your kid and her experience, your youngest right, your
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: youngest padawan, how she felt about this movie, I know,
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: made you feel things you didn't know you were gonna
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: feel about the film, just because there's something about that,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: and I love it. And so man, what a great episode, John,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: And I just can you imagine, like, could you think
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: at the beginning of the year, man, we're gonna have
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: back to back things come out for Star Wars that
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: we're just gonna have so much fun talking about what
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: a joy, man.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: Absolute joy.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: I just wish Ahsoka was coming out this year too,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: But that's okay, that's okay. I can wait till early
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty seventh, that's okay.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: That's okay, I can do that. Yeah. I mean it's
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit of a drought from here
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: on out, isn't it.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we could get some home releases of things
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: that haven't come out yet, you know, like we've got
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: book a, Boafet and Skeleton Crew and be nice that
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: type of stuff that hasn't come out and home release.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: So maybe do that for us, and that can you know,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: assuage our you know, sad hearts now knowing that we'll
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: have to wait till twenty twenty seven for you know
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: something else Star Wars.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: You give me some new audio dramas.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe some of the books will be good. Anyway, John,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: people wanted to catch up with you, of course, talk
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: more man Own Rogu or mal shadow Lord or anything else.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: Where would they find you?
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: Well, you can find me online as cassel Junkie over
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: on Letterbox and good Reads, where I have the most
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: amount of fun I get in the least amount of trouble.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: You can of course find me over on the nerd
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: Party Network, where I'm co hosting two shows. One of
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: them is called house Lights, where I talk about films
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: with Darren Moser and Tristan Radell.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: We have a blast with that one. It's a lot
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: of fun.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: And of course I'm on Aggressive Negotiations over on the
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: Nerd Party, which is a very long running Star Wars
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: podcast which we're always welcoming new family into the fold.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: We would love to adopt you into the Aggressive Negotiations family,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: and I co host that with you one, mister Matthew Rushing.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I have a blast doing that and I hope
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: people will check it out because it really is fun.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just the fact that we've been talking
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: in Star Wars for over ten years now together is
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: a joy.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 4: And we still have things to talk about. How crazy
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: is that?
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: That is awesome. So of course you could find me
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: all over social media under the name Matt Rushing zero two.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: Here on the network outside of the six or two club,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: you can find me talking a lot of great star
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: trek talk with my good friends Chris Jones and over
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: on the TFM network and over on the nerd Party
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: network outside of Aggressive Negotiations, doing OWL posts, talking about
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: every single chapter of the Harry Potter series, one chapter
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: of time. But thanks so much for joining us, and
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: John you know what I think you know what ooh,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: guess what they're serving at the Jedi Temple tonight. Flat meat,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: flat bread sandwiches. I think it's time to close these
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: negotiations
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: Master Rushing, negotiations are closed, and you'all come back now
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: you hear